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Is Human Creativity Dead? Rick Beato, AI Fraud, and the Death of the Second Tier + Throwback · Classic Metal Show

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  SPEAKER_01: Hey there, I'm Dave Lando.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm Cord Black Garrett.
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  SPEAKER_01: And you are watching CMS TV.
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  SPEAKER_01: Boom.
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  It's Frank Marino right here on your classic metal show with
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  running wild going up
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  SPEAKER_03: by request to North Carolina metal.
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  SPEAKER_03: God,
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  somebody purple in there with rat bat blue for Jackal tail
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  gunner in there with
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  SPEAKER_03: midnight blitz for the electric fence,
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  SPEAKER_03: iron maiden with deja vu for the Hardy boy.
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  coney hatch in there with monkey bars i guess that was for
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  demon or chris i'm not
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  sure who asked for that and uh white zombie grease paint monkey
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  brains had a lot of
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  monkey stuff going on there yeah the monkey branching where
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  monkey branching that's
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  right yeah so we we uh have a new term for cheating munch
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  monkey branch branching
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  SPEAKER_03: funny too funny
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, just we live in a weird, weird existence.
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  Instead of calling things what they are,
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  you have to kind of take the shame out of everything.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, you have to soften it.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, take the shame out of everything.
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  SPEAKER_03: That's right.
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  SPEAKER_03: And therefore, there's no consequence to doing it.
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  SPEAKER_03: It's fine because what did you do bad?
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  SPEAKER_03: Oh, I was just monkey branching.
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  SPEAKER_03: Lame.
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  SPEAKER_03: Lame, lame, lame.
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  SPEAKER_03: That's the whole...
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  SPEAKER_03: that's the whole, uh, gist of everything today.
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  SPEAKER_03: I mean,
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  SPEAKER_03: you know,
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  SPEAKER_03: I've talked about the city of Chicago,
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  SPEAKER_03: how,
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  SPEAKER_03: you know,
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  SPEAKER_03: they are against,
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  SPEAKER_03: um,
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  SPEAKER_03: police doing their job.
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  SPEAKER_03: You know,
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  SPEAKER_03: if they pull somebody over for,
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  SPEAKER_03: like I said,
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  SPEAKER_03: like a,
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  like a taillight is out or maybe their license plates are
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  expired that they don't
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  SPEAKER_03: want them,
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  SPEAKER_03: um,
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  busting busting the perpetrator for anything other than what
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  they pulled them over
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  for so if they find a bag of cocaine in the front seat and some
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  unregistered
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  weapons you you can't do anything about that because you're
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  gonna pull me over for
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  SPEAKER_03: that you pulled me over for a a tail light being out or something yeah
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  SPEAKER_03: And then also with the whole red light cameras,
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  they're against red light cameras in certain areas of the city
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  because it,
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  SPEAKER_03: quote unquote,
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  SPEAKER_03: disproportionately affects underprivileged people.
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  SPEAKER_03: So what are you telling me that people who are,
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  SPEAKER_03: quote unquote,
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  SPEAKER_03: poor,
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  SPEAKER_03: they break the law more and we should not.
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  SPEAKER_03: Why do poor people have to drive faster?
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  SPEAKER_03: Mm hmm.
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  SPEAKER_03: That's the question.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, it disproportionately affects the minorities is what it says.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, sure it does.
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  SPEAKER_03: Sure it does.
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  SPEAKER_03: Nonsense.
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  So we should not hold them accountable because they're poor or
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  they're minorities.
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  SPEAKER_03: I don't get it.
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  SPEAKER_03: I don't get it either.
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  SPEAKER_03: It's stupid.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: All right.
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  SPEAKER_03: So why don't we just say that they're above the law?
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  black people are above the law that's pretty much what they're
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  saying why don't we
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  just say that again because we're not allowed to say that no
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  but that is what these
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  mayors in like chicago are saying black people above the law
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  they don't have to
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  follow any law right because they've been oppressed and yeah
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  you know for so long
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  SPEAKER_03: that this is this is just a form of reparation ridiculous yeah i agree
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  SPEAKER_03: Same thing with the, you know, the no pursuit policy.
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  SPEAKER_03: When I go across the state line every day,
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  going through the neighborhoods where there's four way stops or
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  stop signs,
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  SPEAKER_03: people don't even stop at stop signs anymore because there's no,
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  SPEAKER_03: there's no pursuit.
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  SPEAKER_03: So if,
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  SPEAKER_03: if it's a misdemeanor type of traffic violation and you run a stop sign,
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  SPEAKER_03: they're not supposed to pursue you.
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  SPEAKER_03: Wish they'd put that into business here.
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  SPEAKER_03: I wouldn't mind not stopping at stop signs.
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  I hate sitting there with no traffic coming for two or three
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  minutes,
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  whatever it is.
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  SPEAKER_03: Well, I'm talking literally stop signs, not traffic lights.
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  SPEAKER_03: Well, stop signs, too.
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  I mean,
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  well,
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  yeah,
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  I mean,
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  not two or three minutes,
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  but,
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  you know,
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  I'd love that.
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  SPEAKER_03: Can you run a stop light, though?
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  SPEAKER_03: Oh, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: That's okay?
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, there's no pursuit.
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  SPEAKER_03: See, that'd be good.
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  Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: Just run on through there.
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  SPEAKER_03: I liked Mad Max.
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  SPEAKER_03: I'd like to live it out.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: What a world.
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  SPEAKER_03: All right.
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  SPEAKER_03: Do you, do you have anything?
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  SPEAKER_03: I do actually.
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  SPEAKER_03: Um, do you know who Rick Beato is?
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  SPEAKER_03: Rick Beato.
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  SPEAKER_03: If you don't know off the top of your head, you don't.
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  SPEAKER_03: He's a music podcaster.
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  He's one of the very tip-top most successful music podcast guys
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  out there.
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  SPEAKER_03: And his podcast is excellent.
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  SPEAKER_03: If anybody wants to look him up, it's Rick Beato.
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  SPEAKER_03: It's like Beato, B-E-A-T-O, but it's pronounced Beato.
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  SPEAKER_02: All right.
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  SPEAKER_03: He just talks about a lot about, he's like a guitar guy mostly.
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  SPEAKER_03: Is he a bald guy?
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  SPEAKER_03: No, I'll put him on the screen here so that you can see him.
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  SPEAKER_03: Does he broadcast from like a, yeah, I know who this guy is.
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  SPEAKER_02: You know him?
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  SPEAKER_03: He has a studio, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: Hey, everybody, I'm Rick Beatos.
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  SPEAKER_03: Wait up, Rick.
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  SPEAKER_03: I'm not ready for you yet.
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  SPEAKER_03: He talks mostly to guitar players,
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  SPEAKER_03: and he talks a lot of theory,
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  SPEAKER_03: and he talks a lot of gear and stuff like that.
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  SPEAKER_03: Mostly.
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  SPEAKER_03: But this video, and I do watch him.
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  I find him interesting,
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  even though half the time I have no idea what he's talking
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  about.
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  When he's talking about,
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  well,
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  you've got to use this kind of copper line with a...
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  with an mpeg this yeah i don't know what you gotta have this
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  type of pickup with
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  this kind of pedal with this kind of an amp with this kind of a
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  head yeah that
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  stuff is all foreign language to me but i watch it because i
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  want to learn and i
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  SPEAKER_03: want to you know i talk to a lot of guitar players so
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  It is helpful that I pick up some guitar stuff so I do watch
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  guys like Rick Beato.
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  SPEAKER_03: And like I said, he's one of the most successful guys in it.
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  Like this video that we're going to watch a little bit of here
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  in a minute,
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  SPEAKER_03: it was released two days ago and it has like 700,000 plays.
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  SPEAKER_03: Nice.
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  SPEAKER_03: Like he has like 11,000 comments or something.
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  SPEAKER_03: I mean, he's...
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  SPEAKER_03: He's in a different world than we are, to say the very least.
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  SPEAKER_03: He's very successful at this.
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  SPEAKER_03: Well,
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  SPEAKER_03: he hits an area that a lot of people have an interest in,
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  whether you're a professional or just a guy who likes to noodle
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  around in your
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  SPEAKER_03: bedroom or whatever.
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  SPEAKER_03: Sure.
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  SPEAKER_03: Because everybody fancies themselves a guitar player.
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  SPEAKER_03: Right.
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  SPEAKER_03: And he seems to have contacts.
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  at the tip top level because he gets like really high powered
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  guy he'll get a Steve
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  Vai or a Lukath or uh Zach Wild or who whom whoever you wanna
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  list as a top guy
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  he'll get him because he's he's at that level and good for him
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  I I got no beef with
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  SPEAKER_03: that
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  Um,
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  but he talked this video that he does here and it's,
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  I don't remember how long it is.
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  SPEAKER_03: It's six minutes.
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  SPEAKER_03: So I don't know if we'll watch the whole thing or not,
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  SPEAKER_03: but he's talking about,
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  SPEAKER_03: and this really surprised me,
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  SPEAKER_03: the facts that he puts together here.
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  He talked about AI music and he talked about how Spotify has
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  bought in all the way on AI music.
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  SPEAKER_03: And he showcases it and he talks about the numbers,
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  SPEAKER_03: which if you haven't heard these numbers yet,
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  SPEAKER_03: they will shock you.
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  SPEAKER_03: You know, the number of AI music that's being pushed out there.
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  SPEAKER_03: So I want to watch a little of this.
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  SPEAKER_03: We'll stop along the way for some comments.
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  SPEAKER_03: And then I want to share my own Spotify stories with you.
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  SPEAKER_03: All right, so let's check this out.
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  SPEAKER_03: This is Rick Beato talking about AI music on Spotify.
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  So a friend of mine sent me this LA Times article that I'm
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  chuckling about now that
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  SPEAKER_03: I just read,
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  SPEAKER_03: and it goes like this.
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  Sienna Rose has achieved a level of breakout stardom envied by
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  musicians everywhere.
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  SPEAKER_03: Over the last four months,
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  she's developed a fan base of more than 4 million monthly
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  Spotify listeners,
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  SPEAKER_03: and that's impressive.
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  SPEAKER_03: Her star has risen in tandem with that of Olivia Dean,
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  a fellow neo-soul vocalist who took home this year's Grammy for
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  Best New Artist.
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  SPEAKER_03: Rose's Spotify biography extols her as not just a performer,
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  SPEAKER_03: but a storyteller at heart,
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  SPEAKER_03: singing every word with a sense of truth and beauty.
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  But Rose didn't attend the Grammys earlier this month because
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  she's neither a
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  SPEAKER_03: neo-soul artist nor the possessor of a soul to begin with.
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  she is AI top to bottom an algorithmic interpretation of real
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  artists in a genre it
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  was built to exploit and ultimately replace how nuts is that
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  well I mean four
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  SPEAKER_03: million subscribers in four months
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  SPEAKER_01: Hey, you, why are you watching this with commercials?
• 10:01
  SPEAKER_01: Go commercial free and unlock exclusive content.
• 10:05
  SPEAKER_01: Become of the IP today on Locals, Substack, or Rumble Premium.
• 10:10
  SPEAKER_01: Stop waiting.
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  SPEAKER_03: That's crazy, right?
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  All right,
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  he goes on,
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  and this next part is where I was like,
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  holy shit.
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  SPEAKER_03: Here we go.
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  SPEAKER_03: It goes on to say,
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  AI-generated songs now make up nearly 40% of music uploaded to
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  streaming services
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  SPEAKER_03: daily.
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  SPEAKER_03: These songs are becoming more impressive by the day, too.
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  SPEAKER_03: In one study,
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  only 3% of respondents could reliably distinguish between
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  AI-generated and
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  SPEAKER_03: human-generated music.
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  SPEAKER_03: As of late January, six of Spotify's top 50 trending songs in the U.S.
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  SPEAKER_03: were fully AI-generated.
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  SPEAKER_03: Six of the top 50 are from AI.
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  yeah well it's not hard to believe it's not but what what is
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  sickening about it and
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  he'll go on we'll we'll play a little more of him but what's
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  sickening to me about
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  it is spotify is purposely running regular musicians out of out
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  of business yeah
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  SPEAKER_03: because it doesn't cost them anything to pay ai yeah
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  SPEAKER_03: Or they're producing it themselves, which is what I think.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, we got new music.
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  SPEAKER_03: Why do you care if it's a person or not?
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  SPEAKER_03: If you like the song, you like the song.
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  SPEAKER_03: Now, I do listen to Spotify most of every day, to be honest.
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  SPEAKER_03: It's either Spotify or Pluto TV.
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  SPEAKER_03: Right.
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  SPEAKER_03: Those are my daily when I'm working.
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  And most of the time it's Spotify because I don't like to have
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  the TV going because
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  SPEAKER_03: I'll watch TV and not work.
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  SPEAKER_03: So I will run Spotify most of the day.
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  SPEAKER_03: Anybody that has ever, you have Spotify, right?
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: I listen to it every day.
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  I listen to the podcast and music and what I was listening to
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  it on my way from the
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  SPEAKER_03: airport today.
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  SPEAKER_03: Sure.
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  SPEAKER_03: So if you run out an album,
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  SPEAKER_03: just so that people know,
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  SPEAKER_03: let's say you pulled up Dawkins' Heaven Comes Down album.
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  SPEAKER_02: Mm-hmm.
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  If you're just listening to it while you're doing something
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  else,
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  while you're
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  say jogging or something or working out on a treadmill or
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  cleaning your house
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  whatever it would be you know the album ends you don't stop
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  what you're doing grab
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  SPEAKER_03: your phone say oh let me find another album that i want yeah because it
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  automatically rolls into yeah suggested suggested stuff based
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  on what you just
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  SPEAKER_03: listened to correct
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  SPEAKER_03: And I know I've bitched and moaned about this all the time,
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  SPEAKER_03: that when it does that,
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  SPEAKER_03: you're always four steps away from crazy train or round and round.
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  Because those two come up all the time for me when I listen to
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  hair metal type stuff.
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  The last couple of months,
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  though,
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  I'm getting more and more of this stuff that sounds good.
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  and i don't know who the band is i've never heard of it and i
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  look and it's you
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  know distorted ranger or some that i've never heard of and then
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  i go and i look and
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  they will have distorted ranger if that was the name of the
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  band will have released
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  SPEAKER_03: 25 albums in 2025.
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  SPEAKER_03: Like, it's crazy the amount of music that they are putting out.
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  SPEAKER_03: And they're doing it so that they can ease...
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  listeners into this and accepting this they're putting a lot of
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  it out there and
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  they're flooding it more and more with the ai music over i mean
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  you're always going
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  to get your top top guys you're always going to get u2 or
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  springsteen or metallica
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  SPEAKER_03: or you know motley crew whatever ozzy but the second tiers
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  SPEAKER_03: is what's being pushed away.
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  Like now you're going to get distorted Ranger instead of Rhino
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  Bucket or instead of
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  SPEAKER_03: maybe Warrant.
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  SPEAKER_03: Warrant's probably that second tier, don't you think?
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, pretty much.
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  SPEAKER_03: So they're forcing,
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  SPEAKER_03: they're not only forcing you to accept new music in the now,
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  SPEAKER_03: but they're trying to force you to not care as much about the old stuff.
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  SPEAKER_03: To me, it's really, really devious.
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  SPEAKER_03: I think it's fucking crummy.
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  SPEAKER_03: But what do you think, Ben?
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  SPEAKER_03: Hearing all this, are you surprised?
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  We've covered this enough on the show in the last few months
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  that none of this is...
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  surprising i mean i mean you you brought it up uh what was it a
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  week ago last week
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  talking about uh that there won't be any music to buy or
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  download anymore yes you
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  know this this is it right here this is it you know and and
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  companies like spotify
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  SPEAKER_03: if they're gonna introduce quote unquote new bands or new artists um
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  SPEAKER_03: that are AI generated.
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  SPEAKER_03: It doesn't cost them anything.
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  SPEAKER_03: No, nothing.
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  SPEAKER_03: It's just a,
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  SPEAKER_03: the worst part about it though,
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  SPEAKER_03: is that this is where everybody's spending their money is on Spotify.
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  SPEAKER_03: I know it's not a lot of money.
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  SPEAKER_03: I know it's $15 a month or whatever it is.
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  SPEAKER_03: It's not a ton, but you're still funding it.
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  SPEAKER_03: If you have Spotify, you're funding this.
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  SPEAKER_03: Correct.
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  SPEAKER_03: And that stinks.
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  SPEAKER_03: And I'm as guilty as anybody.
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  SPEAKER_03: I have Spotify.
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  SPEAKER_03: So I need to cancel my Spotify.
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  SPEAKER_03: I need to,
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  SPEAKER_03: quite honestly,
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  SPEAKER_03: the company,
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  SPEAKER_03: at least in my opinion,
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  SPEAKER_03: for now,
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  SPEAKER_03: we all should be supporting is Bandcamp.
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  Because Bandcamp just put out maybe a month ago that they are
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  deleting any AI music.
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  SPEAKER_03: They're not allowing AI music to be on their platform anymore.
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  SPEAKER_03: It has to be human-generated music or it's not allowed on Bandcamp.
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  SPEAKER_03: And, I mean, that's the only one that's made an announcement.
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  Once Spotify does this and they're seeing that they don't have
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  to pay royalties,
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  SPEAKER_03: you know YouTube and Apple and Deezer and all that shit's going to leave.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, they're all follow suit.
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  SPEAKER_03: Because they don't give a fuck about art or music.
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  SPEAKER_03: They just want money.
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  I mean,
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  do you really think there's somebody at Apple going,
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  you know what?
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  SPEAKER_03: I want to support the artists.
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  SPEAKER_02: No, of course not.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's all about the bottom line.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, we got to make money.
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  SPEAKER_03: We can make more money with this fake shit.
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  SPEAKER_03: All right, let's play a little more of this.
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  SPEAKER_03: Here we go.
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  SPEAKER_03: Okay, so what does Sienna Rose actually sound like?
• 17:17
  SPEAKER_03: I'll play a little bit of her song, Into the Blue.
• 17:20
  SPEAKER_01: You by my side into the blue.
• 17:31
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 17:31
  SPEAKER_03: Now, if you heard that casually, would you know?
• 17:34
  SPEAKER_03: No.
• 17:35
  SPEAKER_03: Why would you know?
• 17:36
  SPEAKER_03: I wouldn't know either.
• 17:37
  SPEAKER_03: She sounds kind of like Nora Jones or something.
• 17:40
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 17:41
  SPEAKER_03: She's in that world, sure.
• 17:42
  SPEAKER_03: All right.
• 17:44
  SPEAKER_03: Here we go.
• 17:45
  SPEAKER_03: You get the idea.
• 17:46
  SPEAKER_03: So anytime I hear that something is possibly AI,
• 17:49
  SPEAKER_03: I click on their Instagram to see what's going on there.
• 17:52
  SPEAKER_03: So I click on the link provided here in Spotify,
• 17:55
  SPEAKER_03: and it brings me to this page,
• 17:57
  SPEAKER_03: Sienna Rose,
• 17:58
  SPEAKER_03: who has 35 posts and 6,971 followers.
• 18:01
  That's not very many followers for someone with about 4 million
• 18:05
  monthly listeners.
• 18:06
  SPEAKER_03: Should be way more than that.
• 18:07
  SPEAKER_03: So as a point of comparison,
• 18:08
  SPEAKER_03: let's look at another artist that's in the same style,
• 18:12
  SPEAKER_03: like a kind of neo-soul.
• 18:14
  SPEAKER_03: This is Victoria Monet.
• 18:16
  SPEAKER_03: She has 3.7 million monthly listeners.
• 18:18
  SPEAKER_03: Here's one of her songs.
• 18:21
  SPEAKER_01: On My Mama.
• 18:25
  SPEAKER_01: On My Mama.
• 18:30
  SPEAKER_03: Now, unlike Sienna Rose, this song has 192 million plays.
• 18:36
  SPEAKER_03: She also has a song called Monopoly that's got 202 million plays.
• 18:39
  That's the amount of plays you would expect for someone that
• 18:42
  has 4 million monthly listeners.
• 18:44
  And if you go to her Instagram,
• 18:45
  she has 2.1 million followers there,
• 18:48
  which is...
• 18:49
  what you would expect with a real human being if we go back to
• 18:53
  sienna rose's
• 18:54
  instagram and you click these three buttons to see this about
• 18:59
  her account it says
• 19:01
  date joined 2022 account based in norway well if you hear her
• 19:06
  talk i'm not saying
• 19:08
  anything but if you watch this video so i keep seeing these
• 19:11
  comments everywhere
• 19:12
  SPEAKER_03: she's ai well
• 19:19
  SPEAKER_03: I feel real.
• 19:20
  SPEAKER_03: And I hope the 3 million people listening feel the same.
• 19:24
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 19:27
  SPEAKER_03: So they're just fucking lying.
• 19:30
  SPEAKER_03: Well, yeah.
• 19:30
  SPEAKER_03: I mean,
• 19:32
  it goes back to that story that I brought to the show a while
• 19:35
  back about that one
• 19:37
  SPEAKER_03: actress,
• 19:38
  SPEAKER_03: that Tilly...
• 19:39
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 19:41
  SPEAKER_03: She's an AI actress.
• 19:43
  SPEAKER_03: And they're trying to get her to a quote unquote contract or something.
• 19:48
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 19:49
  SPEAKER_03: This is just, it's incredible.
• 19:53
  It's incredible and sad because what we have put so much heart
• 19:58
  and emotion into
• 19:59
  SPEAKER_03: over our lifetime is dead.
• 20:04
  SPEAKER_03: It's completely dead.
• 20:09
  You know,
• 20:09
  it just,
• 20:11
  I cannot believe that the music industry turned on itself the
• 20:16
  way it did.
• 20:19
  SPEAKER_03: That's what surprises me.
• 20:21
  SPEAKER_03: I know that it's always been a business full of shady fucks,
• 20:24
  SPEAKER_03: but isn't it surprising to you that it literally has just killed itself?
• 20:31
  SPEAKER_03: It's like suicide.
• 20:34
  SPEAKER_03: They're literally suiciding themselves.
• 20:36
  SPEAKER_03: It's crazy.
• 20:39
  SPEAKER_03: Well,
• 20:40
  SPEAKER_03: they're suiciding the actual human artist,
• 20:49
  SPEAKER_03: but they're still watching out for their bottom line.
• 20:53
  For the minute,
• 20:54
  but I mean,
• 20:56
  how much life can epic records have going forward?
• 21:03
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 21:05
  SPEAKER_03: When Spotify can just hire their own developers to do it.
• 21:09
  SPEAKER_03: But are there any record labels still out there, like real labels?
• 21:16
  SPEAKER_03: Epic is one.
• 21:17
  SPEAKER_03: Are they still out there?
• 21:19
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, yeah.
• 21:20
  SPEAKER_03: You know, it just seems like everything falls under Universal music.
• 21:25
  SPEAKER_03: Well, everything we listen to is either Universal or Republic.
• 21:30
  You get a lot of Republic stuff,
• 21:31
  which is,
• 21:33
  you know,
• 21:33
  an offshoot of Universal,
• 21:35
  obviously.
• 21:35
  SPEAKER_03: And then Atlantic is still out there.
• 21:37
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, they're not...
• 21:40
  I think we think that those record labels have gone away
• 21:43
  because all of our artists
• 21:45
  SPEAKER_03: are no longer on those labels.
• 21:46
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, well, again, I don't know anybody who are getting record deals.
• 21:51
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, no, they get distro deals with front.
• 21:54
  The guys we know get distribution deals with Steam Hammer or
• 21:59
  Silver Lining or Frontiers.
• 22:02
  SPEAKER_03: Or Rat Pack.
• 22:03
  SPEAKER_03: Rat Pack or what have you.
• 22:05
  SPEAKER_03: which are really underground at this point.
• 22:09
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, it's all kind of gone underground as far as rock goes.
• 22:13
  SPEAKER_03: But yeah,
• 22:13
  SPEAKER_03: I mean,
• 22:14
  SPEAKER_03: the big rappers still have record deals and the big R&B,
• 22:19
  SPEAKER_03: hip-hop-y type people,
• 22:20
  SPEAKER_03: they still have record deals.
• 22:22
  So,
• 22:23
  you know,
• 22:23
  there is still some of it,
• 22:25
  but not on the level it used to be,
• 22:28
  not even close.
• 22:29
  SPEAKER_03: So...
• 22:31
  yeah it's just i don't know it just is really for us for me and
• 22:35
  it's why i keep
• 22:36
  bringing it up over and over and over is because i want people
• 22:39
  to hear this and
• 22:40
  understand what they're supporting and including myself maybe
• 22:45
  you know to stop
• 22:46
  supporting this shit i don't want only ai music do you no i
• 22:52
  mean you'd like to have
• 22:54
  SPEAKER_03: a artist that you could relate to
• 22:56
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 22:58
  SPEAKER_03: I'd like to care.
• 22:59
  SPEAKER_03: I can't care about X's and O's.
• 23:03
  SPEAKER_03: I can't care about that.
• 23:06
  SPEAKER_03: Once I know it's AI, I don't even want to listen to it.
• 23:08
  SPEAKER_03: Even if I like the song, I don't know.
• 23:10
  SPEAKER_03: You've encountered it, right?
• 23:11
  SPEAKER_03: Where you've been listening to something and you've run into an AI song?
• 23:13
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah,
• 23:14
  SPEAKER_02: well,
• 23:14
  SPEAKER_03: I mean,
• 23:14
  we played a lot of those goofy ones where they made it sound
• 23:18
  like a 50s or a 60s or
• 23:20
  SPEAKER_03: 70s song.
• 23:20
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, but they're talking about they want to suck your dick or whatever.
• 23:22
  SPEAKER_03: Exactly, but those are all AI-generated songs.
• 23:25
  Yeah,
• 23:26
  but I'm talking about just standard fare,
• 23:29
  sounds like Dokken,
• 23:31
  AI song.
• 23:35
  SPEAKER_03: You might listen to it and you might think, hey, that's pretty cool.
• 23:38
  SPEAKER_03: And then if you look it up and you see 38 albums released last year,
• 23:42
  SPEAKER_03: you're like,
• 23:42
  SPEAKER_03: yeah,
• 23:42
  SPEAKER_03: this is fucking bullshit.
• 23:44
  SPEAKER_03: And you won't go back and listen.
• 23:46
  SPEAKER_03: You won't save it.
• 23:47
  SPEAKER_03: You won't favorite it.
• 23:50
  SPEAKER_03: Would you?
• 23:51
  SPEAKER_03: No, probably not.
• 23:52
  SPEAKER_03: No, of course not.
• 23:54
  SPEAKER_03: So it doesn't even matter if the quality of the music is good or not.
• 23:58
  SPEAKER_03: The fact that it's fake, you won't favorite it.
• 24:00
  SPEAKER_03: Well, again, that's us old guys talking.
• 24:06
  SPEAKER_03: The young people, they don't care.
• 24:10
  SPEAKER_03: You think they don't?
• 24:12
  SPEAKER_03: Nah.
• 24:14
  SPEAKER_03: Eh, maybe.
• 24:15
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, I guess maybe that's part of the decline of celebrity.
• 24:19
  If it makes good for soundtrack on your TikTok video or on
• 24:24
  your,
• 24:25
  you know,
• 24:26
  SPEAKER_03: grand theft auto game or, you know, something like that.
• 24:30
  SPEAKER_03: That's all you care about.
• 24:31
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 24:32
  SPEAKER_00: I mean,
• 24:32
  SPEAKER_03: look at,
• 24:33
  SPEAKER_03: look at your buddy,
• 24:34
  SPEAKER_03: uh,
• 24:34
  SPEAKER_03: Johnny Gio Ellie,
• 24:36
  SPEAKER_00: his,
• 24:36
  SPEAKER_03: his biggest success comes from his music,
• 24:39
  SPEAKER_03: from the video video game world.
• 24:41
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 24:42
  You know,
• 24:42
  so if it's an AI generated song on a video game,
• 24:46
  do these kids care?
• 24:47
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, they don't care.
• 24:48
  SPEAKER_03: That's true.
• 24:50
  SPEAKER_03: They don't care.
• 24:51
  It just,
• 24:52
  I guess it's part,
• 24:53
  like I said,
• 24:54
  it's part of the whole decline of celebrity.
• 24:57
  SPEAKER_03: We don't need celebrities.
• 25:00
  SPEAKER_03: Celebrities anymore are fucking on TikTok or YouTube or what.
• 25:06
  SPEAKER_03: MrBeast.
• 25:08
  SPEAKER_03: MrBeast is probably the biggest celebrity out there today.
• 25:12
  SPEAKER_03: And what is he?
• 25:12
  SPEAKER_03: He's just a fucking YouTube guy.
• 25:14
  SPEAKER_03: He's a YouTube guy that hit big and found success.
• 25:18
  SPEAKER_03: Look at the Paul brothers.
• 25:20
  SPEAKER_03: Logan and Jake Paul.
• 25:23
  SPEAKER_03: Making mass money.
• 25:25
  SPEAKER_03: You know,
• 25:26
  look at that fucking Logan Paul bought some stupid Pokemon card
• 25:30
  five years ago for
• 25:32
  SPEAKER_03: half a million dollars or something.
• 25:34
  SPEAKER_03: Sold it for $16 million last week.
• 25:37
  SPEAKER_03: Now, why was he able to do that?
• 25:39
  SPEAKER_03: Because he's a YouTube celebrity.
• 25:42
  SPEAKER_03: If he was me or you, it wouldn't have happened.
• 25:45
  Jake Paul is putting on fucking boxing and now MMA shows on
• 25:49
  fucking Netflix.
• 25:50
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 25:51
  SPEAKER_03: Only because he's a Netflix celebrity or a YouTube celebrity.
• 25:58
  SPEAKER_03: You know, the days of celebrity are pretty well dead.
• 26:02
  And I think that's why people don't give a shit about music
• 26:05
  anymore because who's
• 26:09
  SPEAKER_03: the famous musicians now?
• 26:11
  SPEAKER_03: No one cares.
• 26:12
  All they care about is that they got a 30-second clip for their
• 26:16
  best TikTok dance
• 26:18
  SPEAKER_03: or whatever shit they're doing on TikTok.
• 26:22
  anyway i don't need to play any more of this unless you want to
• 26:24
  watch more of this
• 26:25
  but no i i get where he's going with this everything is just
• 26:29
  created wow pedal to
• 26:33
  the metal i don't even want to think this wait till metal bands
• 26:37
  start covering ai
• 26:39
  SPEAKER_03: sounds
• 26:47
  SPEAKER_03: Anyway, that's all I had for AI.
• 26:49
  SPEAKER_03: All right.
• 26:51
  SPEAKER_03: Well, this was for you.
• 26:54
  SPEAKER_01: It's over, Johnny.
• 26:56
  SPEAKER_01: It's over.
• 26:57
  SPEAKER_01: Nothing is over!
• 27:00
  SPEAKER_03: Thank you, Rambo.
• 27:02
  SPEAKER_03: It's over, Johnny.
• 27:04
  SPEAKER_03: That's the kernel, right, that says that?
• 27:05
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 27:09
  You know,
• 27:09
  speaking of TikTok real quick,
• 27:11
  and just another reason to be sick,
• 27:14
  Pluto this week
• 27:17
  SPEAKER_03: launched like five new channels.
• 27:20
  SPEAKER_03: Three of them are tick tock channels.
• 27:23
  So they have TV channels now playing tick tock videos and tick
• 27:29
  tock music.
• 27:32
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 27:32
  SPEAKER_03: Who's watching this mouse.
• 27:36
  SPEAKER_03: How much does it cost to produce a channel that has that on there?
• 27:41
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know.
• 27:42
  SPEAKER_03: Still would hope that, I mean, I mean, I don't,
• 27:45
  SPEAKER_03: Maybe I'm crazy,
• 27:46
  but I don't think that the 20-year-olds that are on TikTok are
• 27:49
  watching TV in the
• 27:51
  SPEAKER_03: first place.
• 27:52
  SPEAKER_03: Certainly not Pluto.
• 27:54
  SPEAKER_03: But there's a lot of boomers out there that find TikTok videos funny.
• 27:59
  SPEAKER_03: So you think they would watch the Pluto channel?
• 28:00
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I think that they would put that up there and go, oh, look at that.
• 28:03
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, how funny.
• 28:04
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, look at that.
• 28:06
  SPEAKER_03: George, come in and see this.
• 28:08
  SPEAKER_03: He sprayed paint on his face or something.
• 28:11
  SPEAKER_03: TikTok is so dumb.
• 28:13
  SPEAKER_03: I so don't get it.
• 28:15
  SPEAKER_03: I just don't get it.
• 28:17
  SPEAKER_03: I'm starting to feel like I'm the old guy yelling at the clouds, man.
• 28:21
  SPEAKER_03: The more we go, the more I just don't understand it.
• 28:25
  SPEAKER_03: I don't understand why that's entertaining.
• 28:28
  SPEAKER_03: Even my own sons,
• 28:29
  SPEAKER_03: and they're in their 30s,
• 28:31
  but when they're watching some of the bullshit they're watching
• 28:34
  on their YouTube
• 28:36
  SPEAKER_03: channels,
• 28:36
  SPEAKER_03: I'll hear it sometimes here in the house,
• 28:39
  SPEAKER_03: and I'm just like,
• 28:40
  SPEAKER_03: what are you fucking listening to?
• 28:43
  SPEAKER_03: It's like, ugh, crap.
• 28:45
  SPEAKER_03: Well, I mean, we kept hearing starting in the 90s.
• 28:51
  more prevalent in the 2000s about everything is being dumbed
• 28:55
  down remember that was
• 28:57
  a term that was used a lot well that's where we're at now
• 29:01
  everything is just dumbed
• 29:02
  down everything is dumbed down yeah to where there it's
• 29:06
  mindless takes absolutely
• 29:08
  no thought to to sit there and and watch these youtube or uh
• 29:16
  tick tock videos and
• 29:17
  SPEAKER_03: whatnot and just
• 29:20
  SPEAKER_03: be entertained for hours.
• 29:21
  SPEAKER_03: It's just craziness.
• 29:25
  SPEAKER_03: I don't get it.
• 29:28
  SPEAKER_03: I do not get it.
• 29:31
  SPEAKER_01: Follow the chaos.
• 29:32
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• 29:41
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• 29:46
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• 29:48
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• 29:49
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• 29:55
  all right let me let me transition to one more little funny
• 29:58
  thing and then i'm done
• 29:58
  for the night i mean i'm not leaving but i'm i'm done offering
• 30:02
  topics i'll put it
• 30:03
  that way okay i just have to show you this video what the hell
• 30:08
  is this guy doing
• 30:09
  SPEAKER_03: that's my only question what is he doing here we go
• 30:31
  is that a tiktok video i think it is no this is instagram but
• 30:40
  same thing yeah well
• 30:42
  see i found that funny i find it funny too i just i'm like what
• 30:46
  is this guy trying
• 30:47
  SPEAKER_03: to say here
• 30:48
  well he's not trying to say anything he's just he's doing a
• 30:51
  parody of just you know
• 30:55
  musicians just putting out crap that is garbage and people like
• 30:59
  oh there's a bunch
• 31:00
  of fucked up shit going on play one more time playing his
• 31:05
  little casio board and
• 31:07
  just banging on it like making horrible noises with it this is
• 31:11
  like um you know
• 31:13
  SPEAKER_03: late 70s punk rock you know right
• 31:17
  SPEAKER_03: Play it one more time.
• 31:18
  SPEAKER_03: Here you go.
• 31:22
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, that's like, it's like early punk rock.
• 31:45
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I guess.
• 31:48
  These guys were not musicians and they were just out there just
• 31:52
  shouting inane
• 31:53
  SPEAKER_03: things and jamming on their guitars.
• 31:58
  Maybe that's secretly Johnny Rotten and we're finding out why
• 32:00
  he's not on that Sex Pistols tour.
• 32:02
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 32:03
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 32:05
  SPEAKER_03: Maybe that's what he's reduced himself to.
• 32:08
  SPEAKER_03: He sold out to the man.
• 32:09
  SPEAKER_03: He's a conservative Republican, so he can't be part of this tour.
• 32:16
  SPEAKER_03: Exactly.
• 32:17
  SPEAKER_03: Because he sold out.
• 32:18
  yeah he's doing that music now that might have something to do
• 32:21
  with it too you know
• 32:22
  because he supports donald trump so he can't be part of this
• 32:25
  that's true and he
• 32:27
  complains about homeless people camping out on his lawn on his
• 32:31
  on his oceanfront
• 32:33
  property this is the song he wrote about those people fucked up
• 32:36
  shit in my lawn
• 32:37
  SPEAKER_03: yeah exactly
• 32:41
  SPEAKER_03: Anyway,
• 32:42
  SPEAKER_03: that guy just made me laugh,
• 32:43
  SPEAKER_03: and I just thought maybe you'd enjoy him,
• 32:45
  SPEAKER_03: too,
• 32:45
  SPEAKER_03: and you did.
• 32:46
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, he was.
• 32:47
  SPEAKER_02: I kind of get what he's doing.
• 32:50
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, you get it more than me.
• 32:51
  SPEAKER_03: I just watch him and was like, what the fuck is this?
• 32:53
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, he's just making a parody of just making bad music.
• 32:59
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 33:00
  SPEAKER_03: A lot of that.
• 33:02
  SPEAKER_03: All right.
• 33:03
  SPEAKER_03: And that's all for me.
• 33:04
  SPEAKER_03: The rest of this is you, my friend.
• 33:42
  SPEAKER_01: Hi, I'm Mark Farner, and you're watching CMS-TV.
• 34:01
  SPEAKER_03: That's UFO from their latest release called The Visitor.
• 34:04
  And once again,
• 34:05
  we have a member of UFO calling into the Classic Metal Show.
• 34:09
  And for the first time,
• 34:10
  we want to welcome drummer Andy Parker to the Classic Metal
• 34:14
  Show.
• 34:15
  SPEAKER_03: Welcome to the Classic Metal Show there, Andy.
• 34:17
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you so much, Andy.
• 34:18
  SPEAKER_00: It's a pleasure to be here.
• 34:20
  SPEAKER_03: Well,
• 34:20
  SPEAKER_03: Andy,
• 34:21
  SPEAKER_03: we've had several of your bandmates here on the show over the years,
• 34:25
  and I believe this is the first time that we've had the honor
• 34:28
  of interviewing you.
• 34:30
  SPEAKER_03: And you and I were talking off air a little bit,
• 34:34
  SPEAKER_03: and this is your second release after rejoining the band,
• 34:38
  SPEAKER_03: and the new CD is called The Visitor.
• 34:41
  SPEAKER_03: And I was wondering, is that any reference to you?
• 34:44
  SPEAKER_03: Are you just visiting the band this time around?
• 34:46
  SPEAKER_00: Hopefully not.
• 34:50
  SPEAKER_00: No, there's several scores of thought as to the title of the album.
• 34:56
  SPEAKER_00: I think, as is...
• 34:59
  SPEAKER_00: It's been the case with this band.
• 35:02
  SPEAKER_00: We tend to have some pretty interesting album covers and titles.
• 35:07
  SPEAKER_00: But no, hopefully I'm not visiting.
• 35:08
  SPEAKER_00: I'm here to stay as long as it keeps going the way it's going.
• 35:13
  SPEAKER_00: I can't see me going anywhere else.
• 35:15
  SPEAKER_03: Sure.
• 35:15
  SPEAKER_03: Well,
• 35:16
  SPEAKER_03: I just mentioned there,
• 35:17
  SPEAKER_03: Andy,
• 35:17
  that you were out of the band for a short time and Jason Bonham
• 35:21
  was playing drums
• 35:23
  SPEAKER_03: with the band there until he decided to leave and
• 35:26
  SPEAKER_03: He was playing with Foreigner,
• 35:28
  SPEAKER_03: and then he went off to work with what remains of Led Zeppelin,
• 35:33
  SPEAKER_03: and you've returned to the fold.
• 35:36
  SPEAKER_03: Where did you go, and what did you do?
• 35:38
  SPEAKER_00: Well, this is actually my third stint with the band.
• 35:42
  SPEAKER_00: I left the first time in 83,
• 35:45
  SPEAKER_00: and as I've discussed this before with people,
• 35:48
  SPEAKER_00: life doesn't always go the way you plan it.
• 35:51
  SPEAKER_00: It can sometimes get in the way of your professional side, so
• 35:57
  83,
• 35:57
  I left the first time,
• 35:58
  spent some time raising a child and just to pursue a different
• 36:02
  life.
• 36:02
  SPEAKER_00: 94, I hooked up with the guys again and did Walk on Water with Michael.
• 36:08
  SPEAKER_00: It was kind of the old lineup,
• 36:10
  SPEAKER_00: which was very enjoyable,
• 36:11
  SPEAKER_00: but it still wasn't really where I wanted to be.
• 36:15
  SPEAKER_00: I loved doing the album.
• 36:16
  SPEAKER_00: It was a great experience,
• 36:17
  SPEAKER_00: but to rejoin the band full time,
• 36:23
  SPEAKER_00: it just really wasn't what I wanted to do.
• 36:26
  SPEAKER_00: So then I actually was working for my family for the last 11 years.
• 36:31
  SPEAKER_00: Up until 2005, I actually moved back to the States.
• 36:34
  SPEAKER_00: But for 11 years,
• 36:35
  SPEAKER_00: I went to work for my family in England doing a completely different job,
• 36:37
  SPEAKER_00: running a sheet metal shop.
• 36:39
  SPEAKER_00: If you can believe that.
• 36:41
  SPEAKER_00: Metal's always in there somewhere, isn't it?
• 36:42
  SPEAKER_00: Sure, sure.
• 36:45
  SPEAKER_00: No, it was a complete departure.
• 36:46
  SPEAKER_00: But, you know, for me, it's kind of like if it's not...
• 36:51
  what i want to be doing at the time there's not a lot of point
• 36:54
  you know it's kind
• 36:55
  of music it has to be the music and it has to be fun and it
• 36:59
  just wasn't always like
• 37:00
  that and you know um now it is and so i'm back and hopefully
• 37:04
  will stay sure now
• 37:06
  that's that's interesting that uh you jumped off to do a whole
• 37:09
  different line of
• 37:10
  work and you know obviously you're a veteran accomplished
• 37:13
  drummer and you're in a
• 37:15
  SPEAKER_03: legendary band a ufo which
• 37:17
  SPEAKER_03: You know, you guys are celebrating your 40th anniversary.
• 37:20
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, we believe that.
• 37:21
  Which I understand Phil doesn't want to shed any of the
• 37:25
  spotlight on that.
• 37:26
  He feels that's kind of ridiculous to even commemorate 40
• 37:30
  years,
• 37:31
  you know.
• 37:31
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I personally think it's an amazing achievement.
• 37:36
  SPEAKER_00: And he should take most of the credit because,
• 37:39
  SPEAKER_00: let's be honest,
• 37:40
  SPEAKER_00: that guy has been in the band the whole time.
• 37:43
  You know,
• 37:43
  we've come and Paul's been and gone,
• 37:45
  Pete's been and gone,
• 37:46
  you know.
• 37:46
  SPEAKER_00: I've been gone,
• 37:47
  SPEAKER_00: but Phil Mugg has always been there,
• 37:49
  SPEAKER_00: and if it wasn't for Phil Mugg,
• 37:50
  SPEAKER_00: there would be no UFO,
• 37:52
  SPEAKER_00: and that's just fact.
• 37:54
  And he still continues to amaze,
• 37:57
  you know,
• 37:58
  he still comes up with the goods.
• 38:00
  SPEAKER_00: I mean,
• 38:00
  SPEAKER_00: I love the new album,
• 38:02
  SPEAKER_00: and,
• 38:03
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 38:03
  SPEAKER_00: I just feel very privileged to still be able to do this,
• 38:06
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 38:06
  SPEAKER_00: after so long,
• 38:07
  SPEAKER_00: and still be in a band that's,
• 38:10
  SPEAKER_00: to my mind,
• 38:11
  SPEAKER_00: still growing.
• 38:13
  SPEAKER_00: You know, moving on, not standing still, I mean, the...
• 38:16
  The music is moving in new directions,
• 38:21
  and the band is kind of,
• 38:23
  to me,
• 38:25
  maturing.
• 38:26
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe not.
• 38:27
  SPEAKER_00: You'd probably kill me if you heard me say that.
• 38:30
  SPEAKER_00: But I just really like where we're at right now,
• 38:32
  and I think it's a hell of an achievement to still be doing
• 38:35
  that after 40 years.
• 38:36
  SPEAKER_03: Sure.
• 38:37
  SPEAKER_03: I agree with you.
• 38:38
  SPEAKER_03: Well,
• 38:39
  SPEAKER_03: another thing I want to know,
• 38:41
  SPEAKER_03: I know you've got a new CD,
• 38:43
  SPEAKER_03: and obviously that's the reason why you're here.
• 38:45
  But it's not very often we get to speak to the drummer of any
• 38:52
  band because most
• 38:54
  SPEAKER_03: often it's either the lead guitarist or the singer.
• 38:58
  SPEAKER_03: The drummer is the unsung hero.
• 39:01
  SPEAKER_03: He's just back there keeping the time, and he's just glad to have a gig.
• 39:07
  Speaking of drumming and the fact that you mentioned that you
• 39:10
  were doing some
• 39:11
  SPEAKER_03: family business there,
• 39:13
  um what did you do uh you know aside from the family business
• 39:17
  when it came to your
• 39:18
  drumming skills did you did you just uh pick up little gigs on
• 39:22
  the side or did you
• 39:23
  just practice in your own home or to be honest between 83 when
• 39:27
  i first left and
• 39:29
  then 84 i had a little stint with wasted with pete's uh like
• 39:33
  splinter band that he
• 39:34
  SPEAKER_00: formed um and
• 39:36
  Then from 84 onwards,
• 39:38
  I was pretty much still kind of involved in the music.
• 39:40
  SPEAKER_00: I had several projects going.
• 39:42
  SPEAKER_00: I co-owned a studio with a good friend of mine,
• 39:45
  SPEAKER_00: a guy called Bobby Bath,
• 39:46
  SPEAKER_00: who now is the front man for Blackfoot.
• 39:49
  We owned a studio in Burbank,
• 39:50
  and we had a band as well as owning the studio.
• 39:55
  SPEAKER_00: I work in the studio.
• 39:55
  SPEAKER_00: We had a band.
• 39:56
  SPEAKER_00: We were looking to get a deal.
• 39:57
  SPEAKER_00: It didn't actually happen.
• 40:00
  I think at that time they were signing new kids on the block
• 40:02
  and stuff like that.
• 40:03
  SPEAKER_00: They weren't really interested in us, but, you know,
• 40:06
  this happens and um so i kind of kept in the business um but
• 40:12
  come 2000 uh come 1994
• 40:15
  when i moved back to england from 94 to 2005 i wasn't really
• 40:19
  playing at all didn't
• 40:20
  even practice didn't even break out i mean you know i gotta be
• 40:24
  honest i've never
• 40:24
  been a great practicer you know i mean in the old days we were
• 40:28
  playing all the time
• 40:29
  SPEAKER_00: you didn't really you didn't have time to practice and you know it's not
• 40:32
  SPEAKER_00: It's not one of my strong points.
• 40:33
  SPEAKER_00: Although it is more now, I have to say.
• 40:35
  I practice a lot more now because it took me a long time to get
• 40:39
  back to where I was.
• 40:41
  SPEAKER_00: But when I did the show with them in 2005,
• 40:43
  SPEAKER_00: in November of 2005,
• 40:45
  SPEAKER_00: which was quite out of the blue,
• 40:46
  SPEAKER_00: I wasn't planning to go back in the band.
• 40:47
  I pretty much thought music was out of my life,
• 40:50
  not because I particularly wanted it to be.
• 40:53
  SPEAKER_00: It just wasn't going that way.
• 40:54
  I got this surprise call from Mr.
• 40:57
  Raymond asking me if I'd be interested in coming back.
• 41:00
  SPEAKER_00: But I was extremely rusty, I have to say.
• 41:03
  Yeah,
• 41:03
  well,
• 41:03
  but not playing or practicing for almost 11 years,
• 41:07
  I would say so.
• 41:09
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's funny.
• 41:10
  SPEAKER_00: You get people say to you, well, isn't it just like riding a bike?
• 41:13
  SPEAKER_00: You never forget.
• 41:14
  SPEAKER_00: And I have to say,
• 41:15
  SPEAKER_00: well,
• 41:15
  SPEAKER_00: yeah,
• 41:15
  SPEAKER_00: it is kind of like you don't forget,
• 41:16
  SPEAKER_00: but it's kind of like if you haven't ridden a bike for 11 years,
• 41:19
  SPEAKER_00: someone putting you in the Tour de France.
• 41:21
  SPEAKER_00: It's not that easy to just come back and do a two-hour set with UFO.
• 41:28
  SPEAKER_00: There's a lot of energy needed there.
• 41:29
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 41:30
  obviously I made it and I'm hoping that I've worked hard and
• 41:36
  hopefully my plan is
• 41:37
  SPEAKER_00: back up to scratch.
• 41:38
  SPEAKER_03: Sure, sure.
• 41:39
  SPEAKER_03: Well,
• 41:40
  SPEAKER_03: I've got to ask you,
• 41:41
  SPEAKER_03: Andy,
• 41:43
  SPEAKER_03: as far as the other members of the band are concerned,
• 41:46
  I was telling you off air that I know Pete Way personally and
• 41:52
  he's had his
• 41:52
  SPEAKER_03: struggles up and down and couldn't get,
• 41:55
  SPEAKER_03: you know,
• 41:55
  SPEAKER_03: having problems getting back in and out of the U.S.
• 41:58
  SPEAKER_03: and whatnot and I understand he's
• 42:00
  SPEAKER_03: having some physical problems.
• 42:02
  SPEAKER_00: He has some medical problems.
• 42:06
  Pete has a serious liver condition,
• 42:10
  which had become a problem for him health-wise,
• 42:14
  absolutely.
• 42:14
  SPEAKER_00: So he just decided before we started work on this album,
• 42:19
  SPEAKER_00: we finished our touring schedule last year,
• 42:21
  SPEAKER_00: and he decided he really needed to get some help with this,
• 42:25
  SPEAKER_00: get some medication and see what could be done.
• 42:28
  And,
• 42:28
  you know,
• 42:29
  unfortunately,
• 42:31
  that meant that,
• 42:31
  you know,
• 42:31
  he had to be close to his doctor.
• 42:33
  SPEAKER_00: And also,
• 42:34
  SPEAKER_00: I understand the medication that he's undergoing is pretty heavy on him,
• 42:38
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 42:39
  SPEAKER_00: physically.
• 42:39
  So he just felt that he couldn't really,
• 42:42
  you know,
• 42:44
  fulfill his commitments.
• 42:45
  And it was just decided that,
• 42:47
  you know,
• 42:47
  it's better for him to get healthy,
• 42:49
  obviously.
• 42:50
  That's where our first concern was,
• 42:51
  like,
• 42:51
  that he would,
• 42:51
  you know,
• 42:52
  get his health back.
• 42:53
  SPEAKER_00: So...
• 42:55
  SPEAKER_00: So in that respect,
• 42:56
  we decided that we would obviously need someone to do the album
• 43:00
  because we were
• 43:00
  SPEAKER_00: getting ready to go into the studio.
• 43:02
  SPEAKER_00: And we didn't want to replace Pete.
• 43:04
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, we didn't want people to even think he'd been replaced.
• 43:08
  SPEAKER_00: I mean,
• 43:08
  SPEAKER_00: I know over the years,
• 43:09
  SPEAKER_00: he has had visa problems,
• 43:10
  SPEAKER_00: as we discussed,
• 43:11
  SPEAKER_00: and we've had to use different bass players in the United States.
• 43:14
  SPEAKER_00: But other than that, Pete was there in Europe and wherever else.
• 43:18
  SPEAKER_00: But we didn't want people to actually think that he'd been replaced.
• 43:21
  SPEAKER_00: So when it came the time to...
• 43:24
  decided who would play on the album rather than pick somebody
• 43:28
  who'd maybe,
• 43:28
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 43:29
  SPEAKER_00: stood in for him live,
• 43:31
  SPEAKER_00: which might give people the impression that,
• 43:32
  SPEAKER_00: oh,
• 43:33
  SPEAKER_00: hang on,
• 43:33
  SPEAKER_00: that's it,
• 43:33
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 43:34
  SPEAKER_00: they've got someone full-time now.
• 43:36
  SPEAKER_00: Our manager had a contact in Germany,
• 43:39
  SPEAKER_00: a really nice bass player also called Peter,
• 43:43
  SPEAKER_00: funny enough,
• 43:44
  SPEAKER_00: and he did the album for us.
• 43:47
  SPEAKER_00: His name is Peter Pickle.
• 43:48
  SPEAKER_00: He actually plays for the band Nectar.
• 43:51
  SPEAKER_00: I think that is his...
• 43:53
  full-time gig if you're familiar with them um a very nice chap
• 43:57
  and he just turned
• 43:58
  up in rehearsals um totally prepared and did a great job um to
• 44:02
  be honest nearly it
• 44:03
  was it was a difficult decision because you know trying to work
• 44:07
  without a bass
• 44:07
  player i mean ufo the rhythm section is the bass and the drums
• 44:10
  you know if you
• 44:11
  don't have a bass player that's just me you know that's not
• 44:14
  that's not really what
• 44:15
  SPEAKER_00: it should be so um
• 44:17
  SPEAKER_00: Thank goodness this chap was available, and he did a really good job.
• 44:21
  SPEAKER_00: I'm assuming you've heard the album.
• 44:23
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 44:24
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, I think he did an excellent job.
• 44:26
  SPEAKER_00: Although probably if you have the promotional copy,
• 44:28
  SPEAKER_00: it doesn't actually tell you who's playing bass.
• 44:30
  SPEAKER_01: Right, right.
• 44:31
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• 44:48
  i i guess uh paul mccartney wasn't available not quite in our
• 44:54
  league is he um uh
• 44:56
  but no i mean this guy he was great he was really easy to get
• 45:00
  there because that's
• 45:00
  the thing you know you kind of an album is a very personal
• 45:03
  thing to a band and
• 45:05
  there was some kind of trepidation or maybe we should use
• 45:07
  somebody that you know
• 45:08
  that we know and it was kind of like well yeah but you know
• 45:10
  that's kind of getting
• 45:11
  SPEAKER_00: um maybe a little bit too deep you know it was a
• 45:15
  And I think you would go back to our earlier thing about Phil
• 45:18
  not wanting to talk
• 45:19
  SPEAKER_00: about the 40 years.
• 45:20
  I think this has a lot to do with it,
• 45:22
  too,
• 45:22
  that Pete isn't really around for it,
• 45:24
  you know?
• 45:24
  SPEAKER_03: Sure, sure.
• 45:25
  I mean,
• 45:26
  to be honest,
• 45:27
  next year will be our 40th anniversary of the release of our
• 45:29
  first album.
• 45:30
  So,
• 45:31
  you know,
• 45:32
  God willing,
• 45:32
  Pete would be well,
• 45:33
  and we can make that the 40th anniversary,
• 45:36
  yeah?
• 45:37
  Well,
• 45:37
  I don't know if this means anything to you,
• 45:40
  because I get mixed reactions to this,
• 45:43
  and...
• 45:43
  SPEAKER_03: You know,
• 45:44
  SPEAKER_03: some bands make a big deal about the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame,
• 45:48
  SPEAKER_03: and other bands could care less about it.
• 45:51
  SPEAKER_03: Chris and I,
• 45:51
  SPEAKER_03: my partner Chris and I,
• 45:54
  SPEAKER_03: we think it's kind of a sham,
• 45:56
  SPEAKER_03: even though both of us are from the Cleveland area.
• 45:58
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 45:59
  What's your thoughts on UFO being inducted into the Hall of
• 46:02
  Fame someday,
• 46:03
  if ever?
• 46:04
  SPEAKER_00: Okay,
• 46:05
  SPEAKER_00: well,
• 46:06
  I've actually just recently started getting this kind of
• 46:08
  feedback about the Rock
• 46:09
  SPEAKER_00: and Roll Hall of Fame.
• 46:11
  SPEAKER_00: And,
• 46:11
  SPEAKER_00: in fact,
• 46:12
  SPEAKER_00: I was on our website just before I spoke to you,
• 46:15
  SPEAKER_00: got on the phone with you,
• 46:16
  SPEAKER_00: just looking at the guest books.
• 46:17
  SPEAKER_00: I like to kind of see what people are saying.
• 46:19
  And there was somebody on there complaining about calling it
• 46:21
  the Rock and Roll Hall of Shame.
• 46:23
  SPEAKER_00: So, you know, obviously there's thoughts.
• 46:25
  SPEAKER_00: But I did hear recently that Metallica's bass player,
• 46:28
  SPEAKER_00: actually,
• 46:30
  SPEAKER_00: he was asked who he would like to see inducted.
• 46:32
  SPEAKER_00: And he very kindly said UFO, which was very nice of him.
• 46:36
  SPEAKER_03: Well, you guys are influential.
• 46:38
  SPEAKER_00: Well, apparently so.
• 46:39
  SPEAKER_00: Who'd have thought, eh?
• 46:42
  SPEAKER_00: But no, I thought it was very nice.
• 46:44
  SPEAKER_00: And, you know, hey, I'm sure if they offered, we'd be honored, you know.
• 46:49
  SPEAKER_00: But I have to say, you know, I'm always blown away by our fans.
• 46:55
  SPEAKER_00: I mean,
• 46:55
  SPEAKER_00: we've had fans,
• 46:56
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 46:56
  that have stuck with us since the beginning that know about the
• 46:58
  first albums,
• 47:00
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 47:00
  SPEAKER_00: and they're just the best people in the world.
• 47:02
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, we wouldn't be here where we are, you know, without those guys.
• 47:06
  SPEAKER_00: So thank you to all of you.
• 47:09
  SPEAKER_03: Sure.
• 47:09
  SPEAKER_03: Now,
• 47:10
  SPEAKER_03: obviously,
• 47:11
  one of the key members of UFO that has made an impact in his
• 47:18
  own right and who's
• 47:19
  SPEAKER_03: been in and out of the band many times over the years,
• 47:23
  SPEAKER_03: obviously,
• 47:23
  SPEAKER_03: is Michael Shanker.
• 47:24
  Yeah,
• 47:24
  actually in and out of the band on the same night a lot of the
• 47:27
  time.
• 47:27
  SPEAKER_00: Sure, sure.
• 47:28
  SPEAKER_03: Now,
• 47:29
  SPEAKER_03: you've worked with Michael,
• 47:30
  SPEAKER_03: and we've had Michael on the show here on a few occasions,
• 47:34
  SPEAKER_03: and I've had an opportunity to speak with him on a couple of occasions.
• 47:39
  What do you attribute,
• 47:40
  and this isn't a bash session here,
• 47:42
  but I just wanted your opinion.
• 47:44
  SPEAKER_03: Maybe you can give the fans a little insight.
• 47:47
  SPEAKER_03: What do you attribute to his odd behavior and mannerisms at times?
• 47:54
  SPEAKER_00: What do I attribute them to?
• 47:56
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah,
• 47:57
  SPEAKER_03: like UFO has a new record,
• 48:00
  SPEAKER_03: you're out touring,
• 48:00
  SPEAKER_03: and then bang,
• 48:01
  SPEAKER_03: I quit the band,
• 48:02
  SPEAKER_03: I'm walking off stage,
• 48:03
  SPEAKER_00: I'm out of here.
• 48:05
  SPEAKER_00: First of all, let me say that I love Michael.
• 48:07
  SPEAKER_00: He's a fantastic guitar player, a lovely guy.
• 48:11
  SPEAKER_00: But as we were saying earlier,
• 48:13
  SPEAKER_00: sometimes your personal life gets in the way of your professional life.
• 48:17
  SPEAKER_02: Sure.
• 48:18
  SPEAKER_00: Some people, that happens more than with others.
• 48:21
  SPEAKER_00: There's just different people.
• 48:22
  Some people are not built for that particular...
• 48:25
  I mean,
• 48:25
  Elvis Presley,
• 48:26
  for example,
• 48:26
  poor guy.
• 48:28
  SPEAKER_00: Incredible talent, but maybe not built for being in that business.
• 48:33
  SPEAKER_00: And sometimes I think...
• 48:34
  SPEAKER_00: And it's an extremely hard business to be in,
• 48:38
  SPEAKER_00: away from home a lot,
• 48:40
  SPEAKER_00: touring continuously.
• 48:41
  SPEAKER_00: And I think sometimes people just...
• 48:45
  They make commitments,
• 48:46
  and when the time comes,
• 48:48
  it's just not the right time.
• 48:49
  SPEAKER_00: It's not like you can call in the office and say, I've got a cold.
• 48:55
  SPEAKER_00: I'm staying in bed today.
• 48:59
  SPEAKER_00: Some people, it's harder than others.
• 49:01
  To be honest with you,
• 49:02
  that's a lot of the reason I have spent time out of UFOs.
• 49:08
  SPEAKER_00: I like that stability.
• 49:09
  I like to feel that when I go out there,
• 49:10
  I'm going to at least finish the set,
• 49:11
  if not the tour.
• 49:14
  SPEAKER_00: And that was a problem with me.
• 49:16
  SPEAKER_00: And that's kind of the reason that I did the album with them in 94,
• 49:20
  SPEAKER_00: Walk on Water,
• 49:20
  SPEAKER_00: and left again,
• 49:22
  SPEAKER_00: because I could still see that kind of sword hanging over there.
• 49:28
  SPEAKER_00: But it doesn't exist now.
• 49:30
  SPEAKER_00: And
• 49:31
  SPEAKER_00: with Vinny, it's just a whole different vibe.
• 49:34
  Well,
• 49:35
  do you feel that Walk on Water should have been titled Walk on
• 49:38
  Eggshells?
• 49:39
  Well,
• 49:40
  no,
• 49:40
  actually,
• 49:40
  to be honest with you,
• 49:41
  it was actually a real pleasure to do.
• 49:43
  SPEAKER_00: I really enjoyed being back with the guys.
• 49:46
  SPEAKER_00: Michael was totally together.
• 49:47
  SPEAKER_00: Everyone was, you know.
• 49:48
  SPEAKER_00: And we did the album in record time.
• 49:51
  SPEAKER_00: We rehearsed it, you know, and it went like clockwork.
• 49:54
  SPEAKER_00: It's just that,
• 49:55
  SPEAKER_00: for me,
• 49:55
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 49:56
  SPEAKER_00: I had to kind of look at it and go,
• 49:57
  SPEAKER_00: hmm,
• 49:58
  SPEAKER_00: am I going to trust that this is going to...
• 49:59
  SPEAKER_00: You know,
• 49:59
  SPEAKER_00: I could just see...
• 50:01
  SPEAKER_00: kind of instability there.
• 50:03
  SPEAKER_00: That's the best word I can... And I was proven right, unfortunately.
• 50:07
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 50:08
  SPEAKER_00: As we know,
• 50:08
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 50:08
  SPEAKER_00: that's...
• 50:09
  SPEAKER_00: In fact,
• 50:09
  SPEAKER_00: I was talking to a gentleman today from Italy doing an interview,
• 50:13
  SPEAKER_00: and we were talking about the same thing.
• 50:15
  SPEAKER_00: And he said,
• 50:15
  SPEAKER_00: I went to see Michael in Milan,
• 50:18
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 50:19
  SPEAKER_00: last year with his...
• 50:20
  And he played four songs and then decided he didn't like the
• 50:23
  audience and left the
• 50:24
  SPEAKER_00: stage.
• 50:24
  SPEAKER_00: And that was it, you know.
• 50:25
  SPEAKER_00: So it's still going on.
• 50:27
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, you know...
• 50:28
  SPEAKER_00: What can I tell you?
• 50:29
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 50:30
  SPEAKER_00: Michael's Michael.
• 50:30
  SPEAKER_00: You know, I mean, there's this fine line between genius and madman.
• 50:34
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 50:34
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 50:35
  SPEAKER_03: To quote Spinal Tap, right?
• 50:37
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, absolutely.
• 50:38
  SPEAKER_00: There you go.
• 50:39
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I didn't find that out that movie as funny as in some people.
• 50:44
  SPEAKER_00: It was a bit close to home.
• 50:45
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, exactly.
• 50:46
  SPEAKER_00: You know, actually, we were featured in there, do you know?
• 50:48
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 50:48
  SPEAKER_00: I only found this out recently.
• 50:50
  SPEAKER_03: Sure.
• 50:51
  SPEAKER_00: The thing about getting lost under the stage.
• 50:52
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 50:53
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 50:54
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 50:55
  SPEAKER_00: I never twigged.
• 50:56
  SPEAKER_00: I saw that.
• 50:57
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe a hundred times I own it,
• 50:58
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 50:59
  SPEAKER_00: and it was only fairly recently,
• 51:00
  SPEAKER_00: Pete Wade said,
• 51:01
  SPEAKER_00: well,
• 51:01
  SPEAKER_00: you know we're in there,
• 51:02
  SPEAKER_00: don't you know?
• 51:03
  SPEAKER_00: What's that?
• 51:03
  SPEAKER_00: And he said, oh, yeah, we had lost under the stage.
• 51:06
  SPEAKER_00: I remember the gig.
• 51:07
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 51:07
  SPEAKER_00: We did get lost under the stage.
• 51:09
  SPEAKER_00: We're 15 minutes late on.
• 51:11
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so there you go.
• 51:13
  SPEAKER_03: Well,
• 51:13
  SPEAKER_03: being that,
• 51:14
  SPEAKER_03: you know,
• 51:14
  you've been a long-time member of UFO and you've worked with
• 51:18
  Michael and you work
• 51:19
  SPEAKER_03: with Paul Chapman and now Vinnie Moore,
• 51:22
  SPEAKER_03: you know,
• 51:24
  SPEAKER_03: speaking of Paul and Vinnie,
• 51:26
  SPEAKER_03: um,
• 51:28
  SPEAKER_03: as an observer,
• 51:29
  SPEAKER_03: somebody in the band,
• 51:31
  what do you see as far as the differences in style between
• 51:35
  Vinnie and Paul,
• 51:36
  SPEAKER_03: and what do they add to the...
• 51:37
  SPEAKER_00: Paul Chapman?
• 51:38
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 51:38
  SPEAKER_00: Mm-hmm.
• 51:40
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I mean, that's a difficult thing, isn't it?
• 51:42
  SPEAKER_00: You can kind of like... You're not really comparing apples to oranges.
• 51:44
  SPEAKER_00: You just compare oranges to oranges.
• 51:45
  SPEAKER_00: But the thing is about a band that's so involved with the guitar,
• 51:50
  SPEAKER_00: I mean,
• 51:50
  SPEAKER_00: it is basically a guitar-centered band,
• 51:53
  SPEAKER_00: is you change that guitar player,
• 51:54
  SPEAKER_00: you're going to change the chemistry,
• 51:56
  SPEAKER_00: you know...
• 51:57
  SPEAKER_00: And the writing side of it.
• 51:59
  SPEAKER_00: And I just,
• 51:59
  SPEAKER_00: I mean,
• 52:00
  SPEAKER_00: to be honest with you,
• 52:00
  SPEAKER_00: I just feel privileged to have played with all three of them.
• 52:03
  SPEAKER_00: They're amazing players, you know.
• 52:05
  SPEAKER_00: And I had some really incredible experiences with all three of them.
• 52:10
  SPEAKER_00: It's just the chemistry just changes, you know.
• 52:12
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, you can just hear it in the music.
• 52:14
  SPEAKER_00: And in fact,
• 52:15
  the interesting thing I find with Vinnie Moore is if you're
• 52:18
  familiar with his solo
• 52:19
  SPEAKER_00: material,
• 52:19
  SPEAKER_00: any of it,
• 52:21
  SPEAKER_00: he's had several solo albums.
• 52:23
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, the guy is just like a full-on shredder.
• 52:25
  SPEAKER_00: He's the most amazing guitar player.
• 52:27
  SPEAKER_00: But you put him with UFO,
• 52:29
  and this whole kind of bluesy side of him comes out that you
• 52:32
  don't actually see in
• 52:34
  SPEAKER_00: his solo work so much.
• 52:36
  SPEAKER_00: And I just find that very interesting.
• 52:38
  SPEAKER_00: I'm really digging the way that the band's going right now.
• 52:41
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, The Monkey Puzzle and now The Visitor.
• 52:43
  SPEAKER_00: We've really kind of gone back to our roots,
• 52:47
  SPEAKER_00: as it were,
• 52:47
  SPEAKER_00: because that's where I started from,
• 52:49
  SPEAKER_00: that kind of blues boom of the late 60s.
• 52:50
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 52:52
  SPEAKER_00: And I just find it interesting,
• 52:53
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 52:54
  SPEAKER_00: that you take Vinnie in as a solo artist and listen to him.
• 52:57
  You'd never kind of almost believe that the way he would write
• 53:01
  with UFO and the
• 53:02
  SPEAKER_00: difference,
• 53:02
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 53:03
  SPEAKER_00: when he plays with us.
• 53:04
  SPEAKER_00: And it's quite remarkable.
• 53:06
  SPEAKER_03: Well,
• 53:06
  SPEAKER_03: with this new release from UFO,
• 53:09
  SPEAKER_03: The Visitor,
• 53:09
  SPEAKER_03: did you have any hand in the songwriting at all?
• 53:13
  SPEAKER_00: I had a hand in one song, believe it or not, which is a new thing for me.
• 53:18
  SPEAKER_00: I mean...
• 53:19
  SPEAKER_00: You know,
• 53:20
  SPEAKER_00: traditionally drummers don't always,
• 53:21
  SPEAKER_00: unless you're Don Hentley or something,
• 53:22
  SPEAKER_00: always get involved in the writing.
• 53:24
  SPEAKER_00: But when I came back to the band and did the Monkey Puzzle,
• 53:28
  it was pretty much already written because I just kind of came
• 53:31
  in last minute and
• 53:31
  SPEAKER_00: there were already plans to go in the studio.
• 53:34
  So this is the first album that I'd actually had a chance to
• 53:38
  contribute for some time.
• 53:40
  SPEAKER_00: And going back to the Bobby Barth story,
• 53:43
  we had some material that we worked on back then when we were
• 53:46
  looking for a deal.
• 53:48
  and it's just sat languishing in a box in my attic for 20 years
• 53:53
  or something.
• 53:54
  SPEAKER_00: So I kind of dug some of those songs down and submitted them,
• 53:57
  SPEAKER_00: and one of them we chose to do,
• 53:59
  SPEAKER_00: and it's actually on there.
• 54:00
  SPEAKER_00: It's called... Now it is called Stranger in Town.
• 54:03
  SPEAKER_00: It's the last track on the album.
• 54:05
  SPEAKER_00: It used to be called Lords of the City,
• 54:07
  SPEAKER_00: but we kind of gave it an update,
• 54:09
  SPEAKER_00: and Phil wrote some new lyrics to it,
• 54:11
  SPEAKER_00: and there it is on the album.
• 54:13
  SPEAKER_00: So...
• 54:15
  SPEAKER_00: Good for me.
• 54:17
  SPEAKER_03: Excellent.
• 54:18
  SPEAKER_03: Well,
• 54:19
  SPEAKER_03: Andy,
• 54:20
  it sounds like you're really enthusiastic about the UFO and the
• 54:24
  fact that you're
• 54:26
  obviously in the band and you're releasing the new CD and
• 54:29
  you're going to be out
• 54:30
  SPEAKER_03: there on tour this year and into the fall.
• 54:32
  SPEAKER_03: Absolutely.
• 54:35
  SPEAKER_03: You sound like you're in good spirits and you're ready to rock and roll.
• 54:38
  SPEAKER_00: I'm in great spirits, and so is the band.
• 54:41
  SPEAKER_00: I think we're just going from strength to strength.
• 54:45
  As I said to you,
• 54:45
  I think it's an absolutely phenomenal accomplishment to still
• 54:50
  be doing this.
• 54:50
  And I feel personally very grateful because I didn't really
• 54:55
  think this was going to
• 54:55
  SPEAKER_00: happen for me again.
• 54:56
  SPEAKER_00: It wasn't in my agenda.
• 54:58
  SPEAKER_00: And if Mr.
• 55:00
  SPEAKER_00: Raymond hadn't made that call in August of 2005,
• 55:03
  SPEAKER_00: I might not have been doing it,
• 55:05
  SPEAKER_00: but I'm really glad he did.
• 55:07
  SPEAKER_00: And it's just great to be back with the guys.
• 55:09
  SPEAKER_00: And obviously we hope Pete gets...
• 55:11
  well soon i know there's a lot of fans out there that wish him
• 55:13
  well i might see
• 55:14
  every day on the guest book on the website so um yeah say your
• 55:18
  prayers for him and
• 55:19
  hopefully there'll be answered in the meantime we'll be out
• 55:22
  there doing it with
• 55:23
  whoever's filling those enormous shoes sure um that's quite
• 55:28
  that's quite a job to
• 55:28
  fill isn't it um replacing pete way but there you go there's
• 55:32
  people out there that
• 55:32
  can do it well andy as a drummer who who are some of the
• 55:36
  drummers that you you've
• 55:37
  SPEAKER_03: looked up to or or appreciated their work well
• 55:41
  SPEAKER_00: Still for me, number one, John Bonham, gotta be.
• 55:45
  Always will be,
• 55:46
  always has been since the first time I heard him,
• 55:48
  you know,
• 55:48
  so.
• 55:49
  SPEAKER_00: But obviously I grew up,
• 55:51
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 55:51
  SPEAKER_00: in England,
• 55:52
  SPEAKER_00: sort of in the 60s,
• 55:54
  SPEAKER_00: Ginger Baker,
• 55:56
  SPEAKER_00: Mitch Mitchell,
• 55:57
  SPEAKER_00: Keith Moon,
• 55:58
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 55:59
  SPEAKER_00: those guys.
• 55:59
  SPEAKER_00: But I think when Bonham came along, it just focused it for me.
• 56:02
  SPEAKER_00: It's like, that's the direction I want to go, you know, so.
• 56:07
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• 56:22
  SPEAKER_00: And unfortunately,
• 56:23
  SPEAKER_00: I still haven't met Jason,
• 56:24
  SPEAKER_00: but hopefully our paths will cross one of these days.
• 56:26
  SPEAKER_03: Very ironic that he filled your shoes there for a while.
• 56:30
  SPEAKER_00: There you go.
• 56:32
  SPEAKER_00: I just want to tell him how much I thought of his dad.
• 56:35
  SPEAKER_00: He's
• 56:36
  SPEAKER_00: To me,
• 56:36
  SPEAKER_00: the guy,
• 56:37
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 56:37
  SPEAKER_00: he just opened my eyes to a whole different approach to playing,
• 56:40
  SPEAKER_00: you know.
• 56:42
  SPEAKER_00: He's the one for me.
• 56:43
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 56:43
  SPEAKER_03: Well, excellent, Andy.
• 56:44
  SPEAKER_03: Well,
• 56:45
  SPEAKER_03: Andy,
• 56:46
  SPEAKER_03: I've got to tell you,
• 56:47
  SPEAKER_03: it's been a real pleasure having you here on the Classic Metal Show.
• 56:51
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you for having me.
• 56:54
  It's always a pleasure interviewing anybody from the legendary
• 56:57
  band UFO who has a
• 56:59
  SPEAKER_03: new CD out called The Visitor.
• 57:01
  Go visit UFO over there at their website and go see them out
• 57:05
  there on tour.
• 57:06
  SPEAKER_03: They'll be touring here in the States.
• 57:08
  SPEAKER_03: And UFO just keeps trucking right along.
• 57:12
  SPEAKER_00: We do, and we'll do it for as long as people want us.
• 57:15
  SPEAKER_00: So is there anything else you want to let the fans know there, Andy?
• 57:18
  SPEAKER_00: No, just thank you for the support.
• 57:20
  SPEAKER_00: You know, I mean, obviously we wouldn't be doing it without you.
• 57:23
  SPEAKER_00: And for people like you, too, nearly.
• 57:25
  Thank you for the opportunity to get them to talk to people and
• 57:28
  give them some
• 57:29
  SPEAKER_00: insight and just let them know that we're there and we're still doing it.
• 57:33
  SPEAKER_03: Excellent.
• 57:34
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you.
• 57:34
  Well,
• 57:34
  Andy,
• 57:35
  before we let you go,
• 57:36
  we always ask the traditional classic metal show question.
• 57:39
  SPEAKER_03: We ask everybody this question.
• 57:41
  SPEAKER_03: How has Lemmy from Motorhead influenced your career?
• 57:48
  SPEAKER_00: That's a great question.
• 57:50
  SPEAKER_00: Lemmy, well, I'll tell you what.
• 57:56
  SPEAKER_00: He showed me how to drink like a man.
• 57:59
  SPEAKER_00: That's all I can tell you.
• 58:00
  SPEAKER_02: Sure.
• 58:02
  SPEAKER_03: It's very useful being in a rock band.
• 58:05
  SPEAKER_03: Excellent.
• 58:05
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 58:06
  SPEAKER_03: All right, well, go pick up the new UFO release called The Visitor.
• 58:10
  SPEAKER_03: Andy,
• 58:10
  SPEAKER_03: as a tradition here on the Classic Metal Show,
• 58:14
  we always let the artist pick a closing song from the new CD
• 58:17
  and maybe tell us a
• 58:18
  SPEAKER_03: quick story about it.
• 58:19
  SPEAKER_03: So what would you like us to play to take us out of the interview?
• 58:22
  SPEAKER_00: Well, if I may indulge, it would be...
• 58:28
  SPEAKER_00: Living Proof.
• 58:29
  SPEAKER_00: It happens to be my wife's favorite track on the album.
• 58:33
  And I just think it's interesting because when Vinnie submitted
• 58:36
  it,
• 58:37
  it was kind of very funky.
• 58:41
  SPEAKER_00: And I wasn't at all sure I was going to really want to play it.
• 58:44
  SPEAKER_00: And it kind of made it down.
• 58:46
  SPEAKER_00: Phil obviously heard something in it because he did an incredible job.
• 58:51
  SPEAKER_00: But when it came down to it, that track just grew, man.
• 58:54
  SPEAKER_00: And when I actually played it, you know, it was just a new thing.
• 58:58
  SPEAKER_00: It was kind of like James Brown meets John Bonham.
• 59:00
  SPEAKER_00: You know, it was kind of different.
• 59:01
  SPEAKER_00: But that will be my track.
• 59:03
  SPEAKER_03: All right.
• 59:04
  SPEAKER_03: Well, here it is.
• 59:04
  SPEAKER_03: This is brand new UFO from the Visitor release.
• 59:08
  SPEAKER_03: And this is Living Proof exclusively here on your classic metal show.
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