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Random Heathen Ramblings: S4, EP32 - Nordic Folk Of Appalachia (feat. SKOGARMAOR) · Random Heathen Ramblings

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  Hello everyone and welcome to the Random Heathen Ramblings
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  podcast where we discuss all sorts of things Dramatic
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  Heathenry related. My name is Jesse.
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  I am your host. Let's get into it.
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  Welcome, welcome, welcome, everybody.
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  Looking forward to today's podcast episode and I sure hope
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  that you are too. As happens quite often here on
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  this show, I plan on doing something a certain way or I
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  plan on doing, you know, sometimes I don't even have a
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  plan. You know, a lot of times I'm
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  just out here not winging it, but you know, just kind of going
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  with the flow. You know what I'm saying?
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  Going with what the the muses give me to to feel inspired by
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  what the norms are weaving in that rich tapestry of weird.
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  So one of the things that happens sometimes as I get
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  messages or I get reached out to by people and get asked about a
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  topic or in this case today's episode get asked about coming
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  onto the show. And it's it's it's rare unless I
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  have something else that's been already advertised or promoted
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  in some sort of way that I would you know decline a guest on the
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  show for a week. You know so I did I I have a
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  guest coming on here today. You guys probably know him from
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  some of his musical projects that he's he shared.
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  I've I've posted some stuff with him in the past.
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  He's been on this show a couple of seasons ago if I recall
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  correctly, but we are going to be talking today with Zeb Croon
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  from the Nordic Folk Band or Nordic Folk Music Project.
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  That's kind of a one man show as it is right now.
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  He he you know creates and produces all his own music.
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  But his project is called Skogamore or as our friend Papa
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  Ollison and at Fialvatir says school Gourmet or But he's a
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  great guy. I've known him now for many
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  years. We've met in person a number of
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  times and we have an event coming up here later in the
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  year, sort of a closed off private event up in Appalachia
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  with Papa Oleson and some other friends called Fire on the
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  Mountain. I've shared some stuff about
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  that on my various social media platforms, but it is a closed
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  off invite only, sort of a sort of a thing shamanic retreat.
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  So there won't be a whole lot of details getting shared about it,
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  but he he will be present for that event and we're looking
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  forward to to that very much. We might be talking a little bit
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  about that today. We will, you know, we'll see.
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  But he wanted to come on here and talk about the current
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  direction that Skogormore has has gone in with his, his music
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  and inspirations and stuff. So not only is he a talented
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  musician, he is also an avid outdoorsman, A practicing
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  heathen himself. And as I understand, he just
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  recently relocated to the Appalachian Mountains himself or
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  or located himself to the Appalachian Mountains, him and
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  his family after a long process of, you know, getting moved with
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  his job and and all that kind of stuff.
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  So I'm going to welcome him in today and invite you to as well.
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  Before we get there, please be sure to check the video
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  all that fun stuff. And then also check out any of
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  When it comes to other ways that you can support, there's
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  inclined and you want to show your support by tossing a coin
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  my way than those options are down there and encourage you to
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  please check that out. So got a couple of cool things
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  coming up here in the Middle Tennessee area which I will just
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  briefly mention now the let me see here.
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  The first one is actually this coming Sunday in Murfreesboro
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  and it is a kind of Heathenry 101 or introduction to to
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  Germanic Heathenry class that myself and a good friend of mine
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  Greg Strong from the Raven, Moon Hearth Kindred.
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  We're going to be Co hosting that and that is in
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  Murfreesboro, TN at the General Bragg trailhead.
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  There's an event page for that on Facebook.
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  So it will be LinkedIn. The description show notes if
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  you're near or in relatively close proximity to the
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  Murfreesboro TN area and you want to come out, we will be
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  there. It is rain or shine.
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  It is outdoors, but it is in a shelter pavilion, so there's a
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  playground there. There's restrooms.
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  It's all it's all set, you know, plenty of picnic tables and
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  stuff to sit at. So we're looking forward to
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  hosting that. Greg and I are.
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  And then later on in October, the Raven Moon Hearth Kindred is
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  hosting their annual Shadow Mood event and that is in
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  Springfield, TN. I'll also be having a link for
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  that, a Facebook event page, LinkedIn the description and
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  show notes as well. It is a camping sort of event if
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  you so choose to come for that October 13th, 14th, and then
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  they close everything on the 15th.
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  But if you just want to come for one day, you can do that.
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  If you decide you just want to come for the one day, then we
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  encourage you to come on the 14th, which is Saturday, because
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  that's when all of the classes are held, all the workshops are
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  held, all the games are happening, the ritual, the
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  feasting, all of the fun stuff that happens at Shadowmoot
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  happens on Saturday. You know, Friday is kind of your
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  arrival date, get settled in. There will be a probably a
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  couple of things going on class wise, but there's vendors as
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  well, so they'll be all kinds of cool stuff to to purchase.
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  So definitely bring your purses, your wallets, your currency,
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  your coin, bring all that stuff too to support the vendors that
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  come out here and that you know sell the stuff that they do and
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  and offer the services that they offer.
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  And again, like I said, it closes up on Sunday around noon
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  at their closing ceremony when they bid everyone farewell.
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  And yeah, so that'll be again October 13th through 15th.
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  My wife and I'll be there along with some other members of my
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  tribe. Liberty folk look forward to
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  seeing you there. If you can come it is $45.00 for
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  the weekend. I think children under 12 get in
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  free and if you come for just a day, it's $20.00 for the day.
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  There are no advance tickets to buy, so you just show up and pay
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  quote, UN quote at the gate, right?
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  So look forward to seeing you all there.
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  In the meantime, let's let's go ahead and get ready to welcome
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  in Zeb Croom of Skoger Mayor here on the Random Heathen
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  Ramblings podcast. All right, well, here we are,
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  folks. We got Zeb here from the
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  mountains of North Carolina, representing Skogermore, right?
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  How do you say it like I've heard it said like 3 different
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  ways I've heard. Papa, say it, you know.
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  There's an easy way, right, Skoga More right?
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  Yeah, I like to say Skoga. Me at all, Skoga.
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  Me at all. But we just go Skoga more and
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  everyone's like okay, there's Skoga more.
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  I'm sure it helps with the. I'm sure it helps with the the
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  local dialect of English that people speak if you don't
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  complicate things too much or add too many syllables.
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  And they just go scoga more. There's scoga more.
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  Yeah, Yeah. And I do get asked that a lot.
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  And so yeah, I'm like, you could just say scoga more.
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  It's cool. And that's actually a word that
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  means something, doesn't it? Yes, Men of the Forest.
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  Yeah. And you have kind of become
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  that. Very much so.
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  I mean, you always have been like a real avid outdoors guy,
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  you know, loving, being in nature and stuff.
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  So it's fitting. It that it was going when I
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  started this project back in 2020, you know, you instantly
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  start thinking of like what's your imagery, what's your logo,
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  what's your name, right. And.
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  I was going through so much, you know, I'm digging everything I
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  can through, you know, obviously want it Norse related.
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  And that that term, that word just was like, this is you.
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  How'd you How'd you come across it?
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  Just reading, just trying to find reading stuff, looking up
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  terms like what does this mean, what can I do with forest men?
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  And then bam ended up coming through.
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  I don't even remember to this day how I found it, like what
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  the actual script was, but says Google more.
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  And then I was like. You look at it right?
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  And I like how it, how it was spelled.
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  And I'm like, OK, what's this? Then I dig into it and then bam,
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  men of the forest. And I'm like, hey, this is, this
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  is perfect. Yeah, it's very fitting.
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  I mean, I love it, man. You know me for a while, a lot
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  of my imagery goes around wolves.
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  And you know, I have a wolf dog that's been with me 12 years.
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  So she's kind of the the center of that logo.
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  So I knew when I was having a logo created, I was like, gotta
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  have something to represent a wolf.
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  And for her, you know. Yeah.
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  And because, yeah, even though, like, I'm in the forest a lot,
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  she's always with me. So she comes with me, which also
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  the track was of Odin. You can hear her in that track.
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  I recorded her. I was working on something.
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  I was working on another track when I was writing that album.
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  And she started Her chatters. Her, her Chewbacca, I call it.
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  Yeah, So instantly light bulb clicks and I'm like mic on and
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  just look at her and she's just so she's in the track with me,
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  man. So that's something that I did
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  that I'm always gonna have stamped for the rest of my life,
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  and we'll have her voice with me forever.
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  Excellent. Yeah.
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  You just came out with a new single, too, right?
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  Yes. Yes.
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  Heavens rent asunder. That one I had been, I'm a
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  little behind because I'm working on.
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  I'm basically going to write. I'm writing a new EP and a
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  little behind schedule as I just purchased my new house so had a
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  lot of crazy going on originally was hoping to have this EP done
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  by October. That didn't happen, obviously
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  still not going to happen, but if everything works out, I'm
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  going to have it done before the end of this year and.
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  I wanted to change the direction of my music a little bit, not
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  too much. You know, the first album was
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  about my family. Yes, a lot of people didn't know
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  it, but every song was like wrote for like my children and
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  my family. Like in general.
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  And I there's there was a lot in it.
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  There was a lot of learning curves.
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  There was a lot of, you know, you step out of doing heavy
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  metal for 20 years. And jump into that, right, You
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  jump into this ambient Nordic style, it's totally different.
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  I had a lot to learn, programs, recording software, dolls, like
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  instruments. There's been a lot to it, you
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  know, And it took a little, took a little while to get that album
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  out. And you know once I got done
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  with it, you know, I was happy, satisfied with the product at
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  the time. You know now like you, you know
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  as you advance you're like. I could have put a whistle
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  there, or I could have put a drone there, or maybe I put too
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  much drone there. But, you know, that's the artist
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  in me just always going to criticize my own work.
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  But in the end game, I wrote that album for my family.
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  I didn't really, you know, expect to to start building a
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  fan base. It was more or less just a
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  journey that I needed to do and I wanted to capture.
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  And then shortly after, you know, it was picked up with
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  Inner Demon Records. So I was very honored to join
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  their family and they've done a great job with helping me, you
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  know, push push my music and push the album out there and the
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  name too. It's a very honor to be, you
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  know, working with them and and again going to be working with
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  them on the EP as well. But yeah, with with my
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  background in music or heavy metal should I say.
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  I've always liked the darker style of music, and with the
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  first album there was only a couple hints of that.
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  So with this new EP, that's where I'm driving.
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  And so when I finished Heavens Rent a Thunder, I was like,
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  should I wait? No, I'm not going to wait.
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  Let's get let's get this track out here because I want everyone
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  to see that, you know? That's the direction to expect
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  from the new album. Give them a taste of what's
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  what's to come, right? Give them a taste man.
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  I'm excited a couple of guests going to be on it too, so
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  looking forward to working with them.
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  Really. People you know or can you say
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  much about it, I guess? I can absolutely say I don't
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  think they mind a good friend from Febitur Workshop.
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  Well, yeah, yeah, he's going to be joining me on the track doing
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  some drumming. Sweet.
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  Currently working on that track right now and just, I mean I
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  don't mind sharing it, but you've been to the spot Widows
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  Creek Falls. So I'm writing the track because
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  me and him both love that spot a lot.
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  So I'm writing a track dedicated to that area was down there the
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  other day with him what at that spot, but I left him and went to
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  that spot and capture some recording of the waterfall
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  itself so it can be in the track.
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  So there's there's that one. And Chris, who fronts Sun and
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  Moon and Dance, who is also a local Pagan musician from
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  Appalachia. We we met at a like a little
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  rim. Fair it.
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  Just got the chatting and we started talking about it and I
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  was like, hey, you know, I'm writing a new EP and would be
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  honored to have you on. And he was like, absolutely so.
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  We've chatted a little bit. That's the next song that I got
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  to finish up and I highly recommend anyone looking,
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  watching this to definitely or listening go to check out Sun
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  and Moon and Dance. He's on all platforms, multi
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  instrumentalist, beautiful, does a lot of traditional folk music
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  and he's absolutely amazing. It's exciting.
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  I was curious if you know when when when I met you first.
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  You know years ago, this was before Skogamore.
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  This was you know when when you and I first met you were again
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  heavily involved with the the more like black metal death
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  metal scene and. So I was curious, you know we
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  haven't really I think talked in in detail about the transition
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  from that extreme kind of music and playing with other musicians
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  at venues and or or in studio and going from that to becoming
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  a solo artist that writes and records and and plays everything
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  on your like everything on your albums.
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  You know, like you play the the drums, you do the The Liar, I
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  think you've got a toggle harp right, that you've dabbled in.
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  So like, what was that? The transition from being a
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  performing musician in a band, guitar, whatever, and then going
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  from that into more like the traditional stuff and being all
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  yourself. Hard as hell.
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  That's the best way to put it. With the other bands, I was
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  always known to basically kind of be the front four of like the
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  theatrics and building our themes and stuff like that.
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  So for me in that aspect, super easy.
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  You know, I've already worked on the imagery, you know, getting
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  ready for upcoming live shows. I have already have theatrics
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  ready to go along with my image as well.
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  So that part super easy. I think it's one of my favorite
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  things to do as well, especially when it comes to performing is
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  the one at theatric center and grabbing attention right
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  musically. It's completely night and day.
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  I mean, it is, you know, I was explaining to a friend the other
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  day and it was like, you know, give me a guitar and a
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  microphone and I'll start ripping some black metal riffs
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  and like, yeah, you know, and start screaming my head off,
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  right. It's second nature because I've
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  done it for so long. This material takes a lot more
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  of my creativity, a lot more of my time, and I'll certainly a
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  lot more of my patience. Because I don't want to be over
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  reptitious, like I don't want to constantly do the same thing.
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  I always want to be able to capture the attention and keep
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  the attention there. And I'm not saying you can't do
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  that with metal, obviously, you know, But a lot of it can still
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  kind of be the same. So definitely harder.
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  And then, you know, I'm used to working with a group of
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  individuals musically. That you start bouncing these
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  ideas off and like, hey, how about we do this, how about you
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  do that and you try this and OK, boom.
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  And that's how a bands form and that's how a band works
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  together. All I have is me, myself in the
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  mirror to kind of talk to about it and say, hey, this is what do
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  you think? You know?
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  So yeah, and a lot of times I record like, especially like
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  right now with this new EP, I get the idea, you know, and I
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  might be at my normal job. And sit there and think, an idea
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  like a riff or an idea or a rhythm pops in my head.
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  I come home, turn everything on, grab the instrument, and I lay
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  it down and I walk away sometimes.
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  That way it can sit. And then when I'm ready to go
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  back in, I have multiple material for when I start
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  building more tracks. And that's helped me a lot.
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  And there's even times where I pick up my phone like I could
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  just be driving. And I have a beat in my head and
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  I start hitting the record on that and I'll just mimic sounds
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  like the beat and then try to play that with an instrument.
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  So it's definitely, it forces me to have way more creativity.
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  And then honestly, I love that Like a challenge.
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  Yeah, that sounds challenge. I know sometimes I'll get to
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  where I'll put, you know, but you were talking about going to
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  Widows Creek Falls and and recording the waterfall, you
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  know, and using those sounds of nature as part of the musical
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  track that you're going to write.
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  I've done similar stuff with some of my content where it's
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  like I'm by the river and there's waterfalls, you know,
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  babbling brooks, you know, things that give the ambient
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  nature of the of the thing that you're trying to do.
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  And then I'm like, I'm not a I'm not a musician by any means.
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  But then it's like coming up with.
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  All right, well, where do I want to put a drum beat?
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  You know like looping that track or looping that piece of of of
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  music or that beat to play through for for a duration.
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  Like it's more than just you know and people may not realize,
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  but like it's more than just coming up with that song.
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  It's it's it's putting it all together in a format and and in
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  a way that is appealing to the ears.
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  You know, like, it's not just all like random shit.
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  And I will tell you, one of my biggest faults is I tend to, I
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  start with an instrument, right? Got this real.
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  And then I'm like, next thing you know, I'm grabbing a mouth
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  harp or something, I'm grabbing something different.
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  And next thing I know I've got a whole cluster of instruments
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  going off and I'm like, Oh yeah, this is too much.
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  And heavens, Rent a Thunder is an example.
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  I think I rerecorded that. Probably about 10 times before I
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  had my liar down to where I was like OK.
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  And I mean there was at one point where I I I had a skin
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  drum going too. And then I threw in a rattle
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  like, I mean I was throwing all this stuff in there.
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  And then I set back and I started muting them in my
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  recording doll and I was like, OK and then just listen to the
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  liar, right? And now obviously wanted some
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  ambience in the back. So I was playing that and then
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  to me like after I'd done that I was like this is all I had to
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  do. Like I was over analyzing and
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  adding all of these things to it and it really just needed to be
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  simple and sometimes simple and easier basic laid out.
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  Like comes out a lot more meaningful and it and it and it
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  grabs more attention and it was so funny cuz I just had to erase
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  all the other tracks cuz I was like I can't.
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  I can't do this. It's gonna be just.
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  It's gonna ruin it. And then I found the voice that
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  I wanted to do. And then with like that throat.
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  Kind of like. That, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  I'm probably gonna pass out on stage just so you know when I'm
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  doing that. That's a tricky thing cuz it's
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  like you're forcing it from your the throat's the canal that the
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  sound's coming from, but the the the tone comes from way deeper
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  than that. Yes, and and then it's like the
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  breath. Man, it's like control, right?
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  Yeah, and you know, I'm thankful for all the screaming I've done
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  through my mental career to be able to show how long I can hold
• 22:44
  breaths, right? But it's a whole another element
• 22:49
  when I'm recording because I'm calm.
• 22:51
  I'm I'm at this level like I am with you right now, right when
• 22:54
  I'm doing those voices. Versus live, it's not the same.
• 23:00
  Yeah, your energy, your, your everything about you like you
• 23:04
  got adrenaline going and everything just completely
• 23:08
  changes to where it's like I know I'm not that short winded,
• 23:12
  like I know I can hit that and I know I can hold that, but like
• 23:15
  live it's a whole another thing man.
• 23:16
  And you know, but that's what practice is for and building it
• 23:20
  up and getting used to it. I was curious too with like with
• 23:25
  the Croom, Soggy, you know, you mentioned all of the songs that
• 23:28
  you had written for that album were for your family.
• 23:33
  And actually when you when you put that album together there,
• 23:36
  there's a track on there called Mid Guard Musings.
• 23:37
  I remember you wrote it for for, for, Yeah, for, for the channel,
• 23:42
  for the podcast. And it was.
• 23:44
  It was, it was. It's a great track and there's
• 23:46
  whenever I like at the end of for people that don't maybe
• 23:50
  know, right at the end of all of my episodes when it's like and
• 23:54
  the end screen credits and and stuff, there's a segment of a
• 23:58
  song that you wrote for me that hasn't been released yet
• 24:02
  anywhere other than just to me like it was given to me.
• 24:05
  And there's a segment of that song that I still plan to I want
• 24:11
  to do something. I want to I want to produce some
• 24:13
  sort of video content for that song.
• 24:15
  Cuz it's a great, It's a great track and I want the world to
• 24:17
  hear it. And it really captures the the
• 24:20
  dark, you know, the dark ambient nature that you've kind of
• 24:25
  gravitated to. So what I was wondering was when
• 24:29
  you wrote all the songs and who they were written for and the
• 24:32
  Chrome Saga is the EP. What's the word I'm looking for?
• 24:37
  Is it a themed EP or are there other things that you're writing
• 24:45
  in mind for? Yep.
• 24:47
  So man, I'm. I'm going through some very
• 24:53
  spiritual stuff with my Path and this album is going to reflect a
• 25:01
  good bit of that. And it's something that has
• 25:06
  always mean something to me, but it's definitely something that
• 25:12
  I'm ready to put out in the music form.
• 25:15
  So there will be a theme but as far as like individual, like how
• 25:18
  I done the last album. No, this one is more about and
• 25:22
  it's not necessarily about myself, it's more about me just
• 25:27
  being able to get this energy out that I'm ready to get out
• 25:30
  and the creativity, you know, I've already got a few tracks
• 25:35
  down and I'm just and I'm happy because as soon as I start
• 25:40
  writing, man, it is, it is hard to get me away from my my studio
• 25:44
  because once I start I mean. Next thing I know, it's like
• 25:47
  3:00 AM and I'm like, I gotta get up a couple hours to go to
• 25:49
  work. So the creativity is, is is
• 25:53
  there, the energy's there. But yeah it's it's it's I will
• 25:57
  say this that like I said it will be darker, more ambient,
• 26:04
  very shawmatic if that makes sense.
• 26:06
  I like it when you when when you released the the Chrome sagas
• 26:12
  there. I I don't remember the time wise
• 26:15
  so maybe you can help me with that.
• 26:16
  You have at least a couple of songs that you filmed music
• 26:20
  videos for those those tracks, right?
• 26:25
  Wolves of Oden, I think, was one of them.
• 26:27
  Wolves of Oden was the very very first one and cuz I had rode a
• 26:35
  few tracks mid guard, museums being one of the very first few
• 26:39
  in that area and was of Oden was actually the very very very
• 26:44
  first track. That I sat down with and like I
• 26:46
  said, you can definitely get my vibe of the darker ambient in
• 26:49
  that track because that I knew that wanted to do that.
• 26:53
  But I also knew for the sake of where I was at as a whole and
• 26:56
  the musician I was at the time and writing for family, I didn't
• 27:00
  want all these kind of creepy sound of songs for all my my
• 27:03
  family, right? Right.
• 27:06
  But what was about, Yeah, you know it.
• 27:07
  And it was a song about about Tribe Man.
• 27:10
  And it was about, you know, we all go through.
• 27:14
  Experiences with friends and and and family through your life
• 27:18
  right where one minute your your best friend may no longer be
• 27:24
  your best friend. And that's basically what that
• 27:26
  zone was about unfortunately was about losing some close people
• 27:32
  in my life and change with time. And you know as as we grow
• 27:36
  older, we change and sometimes you find out that maybe.
• 27:41
  You need more positive people in your life, if that makes sense.
• 27:44
  Or maybe what what you used to do with people is not really
• 27:48
  your thing. No more.
• 27:49
  And that's in all aspects and and that's what that track was
• 27:53
  about, man. It was it was basically saying
• 27:55
  hey you know, like we'll always have that bond, but it doesn't
• 27:59
  necessarily mean that we we really need to be hanging out
• 28:02
  together all the time. And one of my friends was a
• 28:06
  sacrifice in the video. We're still good friends today.
• 28:09
  But you know, we. We did a sort of like a little
• 28:13
  of a blood Eagle singing only a minute.
• 28:15
  I'm a one man show. I had had someone picked out to
• 28:19
  do really extreme effects for that video.
• 28:22
  Just being a one man show, I couldn't afford it and I do hope
• 28:27
  the one day be able to do a full on blood eagle in a music video.
• 28:33
  But that happened and then you could definitely get the sense
• 28:37
  of what was happening in that video.
• 28:39
  You know, like the betrayal almost.
• 28:41
  You know, like. Exactly, exactly, yeah.
• 28:44
  That that lack lost of trust between people.
• 28:48
  And unfortunately, man, it happens, man.
• 28:51
  And you know, even myself, I've been through things just
• 28:54
  recently, even since that video has come out with close friends.
• 28:57
  You know you need us. It happens, man.
• 29:01
  And you just go forth and you do what you gotta do for you and
• 29:04
  your family. Absolutely.
• 29:08
  But then the. Yeah, then I had another video,
• 29:09
  which is my Vahalo. Yeah, that one was awesome with
• 29:13
  all of the Valkyries and the. And so much costume department
• 29:18
  was on point with that video. Dude, you guys nailed it so
• 29:23
  much. Or I would tell you of my entire
• 29:25
  career, all the music videos I've shot, that one is today.
• 29:31
  Still my most favorite one. Multiple days of filming.
• 29:36
  There's so much footage that couldn't even make it because
• 29:40
  like, I knew I wanted to make a a small movie, right?
• 29:43
  I knew that I wrote this script. I started calling friends asking
• 29:51
  them to be in it, what you could do.
• 29:52
  Boom. Like I actually had a movie
• 29:55
  director friend who was going to come down and unfortunately the
• 29:58
  day of the shoot he had a family emergency come up.
• 30:02
  And then I'm like. A panicking I've got like all
• 30:06
  these people coming out because it on that on that particular
• 30:09
  day was the battle scene and then my funeral, right.
• 30:14
  So we had two, two locations there at that day to be at and
• 30:20
  I'm like, I'm panicking, man. I got people driving from all
• 30:23
  over the state to come here to be in the video and one of my
• 30:27
  friends who who I hired to be the FX on the set.
• 30:32
  Also has helped me in the past. We've done some movie stuff
• 30:35
  together and I'm on the phone with her that morning and I'm
• 30:37
  like, yo, the director has dropped and she was like, okay,
• 30:42
  I'm gonna be there earlier, We're gonna get this.
• 30:44
  I need your script. So I was like, yes, ma'am, my
• 30:45
  God. And let's go.
• 30:47
  She's a great, great. She's one of my best friends,
• 30:49
  man. We've done a lot of stuff
• 30:50
  together, filming and stuff. And she got there early and I
• 30:55
  ran her through the script. I was like this is this is what
• 30:58
  we gotta do here? You know, it was like wrangling
• 31:01
  a bunch of cats, man. Like, you know, all these
• 31:03
  people. So these people's never met each
• 31:05
  other, but they're all excited, they're ready to be in the video
• 31:07
  and they know they're going to war, right?
• 31:09
  We got this whole battle scene plan by the end of the day, man.
• 31:13
  I probably took five years of my life off from the stress because
• 31:18
  we were, we were chasing time, you know, we shot in the winter,
• 31:22
  so. Daylight.
• 31:23
  Yeah, we. Were chasing daylight and you
• 31:26
  can kind of see which it worked out perfectly.
• 31:29
  When we do the funeral fire, because the light was coming
• 31:32
  down, so then the actual fire looked beautiful.
• 31:36
  It came out great. But that that song is very
• 31:39
  special and I've been asked a few times that I was going to
• 31:42
  play it live and the answer is no, I don't want to play that
• 31:45
  one live. I wrote that song for one
• 31:48
  reason, and that song is for all three of my children that that
• 31:53
  is a song for them. To let them know that there's
• 31:57
  going to be a day where they got to tell me goodbye, right?
• 31:59
  And they got to tell me goodbye forever.
• 32:02
  And that song is just letting them know that I love them.
• 32:05
  And then I dedicated my life to them and I don't want them to
• 32:09
  ever forget me, but also know that I'm always going to be with
• 32:12
  them and I'm always going to look after them, even in even
• 32:15
  after death. And so it means a lot to me.
• 32:18
  It was more out of the all the tracks, they all mean something
• 32:21
  to me, but that one meant the most because I knew at any
• 32:25
  moment. You know, I could be took away
• 32:27
  from this world and I want to leave something behind that they
• 32:30
  have and I want them to know that dad loved them so.
• 32:34
  So even though the song comes off very like very, you know,
• 32:39
  pretty sounding and melodic, it's on the other side.
• 32:43
  It is then also has a little bit of a morbid side to it, because
• 32:46
  you see me go to war, you see me lose, like you see there's a
• 32:52
  moment and one of my favorite parts.
• 32:55
  Well, me and my friend are at the battle, you know, And you
• 32:58
  see like him knock the thing out of my hand, my sword and I go
• 33:01
  from my axe and I just take a breath.
• 33:04
  You can see I'm tired. And you can also see him like
• 33:07
  looking at me like damn, I can't defeat this guy once it take to
• 33:12
  take him down. But you see my moment of I'm
• 33:15
  tired, right. And that it just the way that we
• 33:20
  with the cameraman caught that. I mean, we know that part
• 33:23
  probably 10 times. And as we were going through the
• 33:27
  footage, I was like, this is perfect.
• 33:29
  That's what I wanted to get that image out.
• 33:32
  I wanted to show him that I'm tired and it was time for me to
• 33:36
  be took down. But my favorite part of writing
• 33:39
  it was you see him obviously slit my throat, which again, we
• 33:44
  was on time. We had a whole thing set up.
• 33:46
  We're just going to see blood come out of my throat.
• 33:48
  Didn't get to do it right. So it was one of those insane
• 33:49
  like cut screens. Bam, I'm down.
• 33:52
  And you see my 2 berserkers walk up and just flew like from
• 33:55
  behind and they just like take him out.
• 33:57
  So where he's like I got victory, we wipe him out, man.
• 34:01
  Yeah, yeah. And we captured the remaining
• 34:04
  members of the army and that's where we go to the funeral
• 34:08
  power. And then my favorite part there
• 34:10
  is, you see, I have my two sons in that scene actually.
• 34:14
  And if you notice, I'm wearing a cloak in the beginning of the
• 34:17
  war. At the funeral, my oldest son is
• 34:20
  wearing my cloak and he's got my sword.
• 34:23
  He is now roamed and he, he gives the signal to execute them
• 34:29
  And and my poor son was sick that day, man.
• 34:31
  But he had so much fun just being able to like I get to be
• 34:34
  king now. I'm like, yeah, you're thinking
• 34:36
  right, that's it. And, you know, send the signal
• 34:41
  out and then boom, we execute the whole.
• 34:45
  The whole thing, it was like 3 members.
• 34:47
  And then we decapitated the one and then we gave him the
• 34:51
  ultimate shame by shoving his head up his ass.
• 34:54
  So yeah, it was a lot to it, man.
• 34:57
  The thing at the very end, like you said, the Valkyries Dr.
• 35:01
  this, That was a whole other day of shooting too.
• 35:05
  Actually, one of those Valkyries is the lady that helped me with
• 35:08
  the FX and the directing. She was one of the Valkyries
• 35:10
  too. She said she'd done all the
• 35:11
  makeups. But she we got there and there's
• 35:16
  another cold day. Like, I'm on this ground wet
• 35:18
  several times. But we we shot right back in the
• 35:20
  scene where I was killed. We.
• 35:23
  And then you see me like out of my war gear and I'm looking
• 35:27
  clean. And then that's them picking me
• 35:29
  up basically. And I'm looking around like I'm
• 35:33
  trying to figure it out. But then we walk up to the light
• 35:37
  and that, you know, is them taking me to Valhalla.
• 35:39
  And then what? You see me in the very end clip
• 35:42
  and unfortunately it didn't come out.
• 35:44
  Quite as clear. But I'm standing in the middle
• 35:46
  of a waterfall playing my drum and we've got like a little bit
• 35:49
  of the gold essence around and the scene, and that's me showing
• 35:53
  that I'm at peace, you know that I've made it and I'm happy.
• 35:58
  And that's just something again that goes towards my kids is I
• 36:00
  want them to know that even when that day comes, not to worry
• 36:05
  about me. You know that I did my life's
• 36:08
  duty and I'm sure I'll be happy there.
• 36:11
  It's a beautiful tale you know to to tell.
• 36:14
  Cuz and it's real, you know what I mean?
• 36:16
  Like the the theatrics, the the the theater aspect of it makes
• 36:22
  it really interesting and captivating for an audience.
• 36:24
  But the the subject matter, you know is is very real and it's it
• 36:29
  touches all of us cuz you know the day of our doom is set and
• 36:34
  none can escape it, right? You know, but fear not death.
• 36:37
  Exactly. And that's and so that's the
• 36:40
  doom man. And.
• 36:42
  Yeah, because you never know. Life is life.
• 36:46
  Life doesn't have a date on it, but it certainly has an
• 36:48
  expiration date. You just don't know when.
• 36:51
  Yeah. And so that was the, that was
• 36:52
  the point of that whole album, man.
• 36:54
  That was that that particular zone.
• 36:56
  Like said, why it means so much to me and why I've chose to not
• 37:00
  add it to my live set list is because it just has a meaning
• 37:03
  that I want it to be there. I want my children to know it's
• 37:07
  there. You know, I don't ever see.
• 37:10
  YouTube or streaming sites going away.
• 37:13
  Not to mention they will have an actual physical copy.
• 37:17
  So yeah, yeah, it's a legacy, yeah, so but yeah, that one.
• 37:21
  But again, just shooting wise, outside of the meaning of it,
• 37:26
  the filming was just extraordinary fun man.
• 37:29
  I really from all my past videos and helping other bands do music
• 37:33
  videos. You know, this was my one one
• 37:36
  video where I really wanted to step it off and I really wanted
• 37:40
  to to go out-of-the-box a lot. And I wanted to build again.
• 37:44
  Like, I wanted to build a mini movie about it.
• 37:46
  And and I'm very, very satisfied.
• 37:49
  You know, some people were like, man, this thing's like 12
• 37:51
  minutes long, but I'm like, it's a movie.
• 37:54
  So it's more. Yeah, I mean considering the
• 37:56
  fact like you know, a track, you know, a musical track is, is
• 38:00
  that that's that's long for your average.
• 38:03
  Song considering like 3 to 5 minutes is like an average I
• 38:07
  think length of a studio release.
• 38:11
  But having that story cuz I think now you have this tale
• 38:16
  that's being told and then there's people can imagine it in
• 38:20
  their mind's eye by listening to the song.
• 38:21
  But then they have this thing that can paint that picture more
• 38:25
  vividly and give them something to really latch onto visually.
• 38:30
  But still kind of be creative in their own way and and where it
• 38:33
  touches them, cuz and that's the beauty of art and music anyway,
• 38:36
  you know, like you wrote it for a very specific with a very
• 38:40
  specific purpose in mind. And you know, other people that
• 38:43
  hear it can maybe find find their own purpose in it too.
• 38:47
  Right. You know and.
• 38:50
  It's it's had great reviews. It's had a good bit of viewings.
• 38:55
  YouTube's being a complicated at the moment.
• 38:58
  For some reason with my my stuff, they stopped some
• 39:03
  comments from happening on that video and and it was, and it
• 39:06
  really bites because I was having a lot of fun because it
• 39:09
  it obviously was going around the world and I was able to
• 39:14
  communicate with people. All over the world.
• 39:17
  And they were leaving me comments.
• 39:18
  You know, obviously you got your negative people.
• 39:20
  We're always gonna like you think you're a Viking.
• 39:24
  But you know. Like, well, don't, but OK, but
• 39:28
  you don't know me, so whatever. But but the people that were
• 39:32
  enjoying it in different languages, I was able to, you
• 39:34
  know, translate it and then and then speak back to them and just
• 39:37
  let them know how much I appreciated and taking the time
• 39:40
  to even watch it, you know? Because I don't know what's
• 39:43
  going on with my YouTube. I mean, you can still comment on
• 39:45
  it, but it's just weird like it's I I don't know in the
• 39:48
  views, but I know the views. The last time I looked, I think
• 39:51
  we're closing in closed about 10,000 views on it.
• 39:54
  So yeah, you know, it's not the biggest views I have actually
• 39:59
  was of Odin, not the music video, but the album track
• 40:04
  itself. It was closing in I think 88 or
• 40:08
  90,000 views, so. Seeing that I didn't even know
• 40:13
  it, man, I just one day I just logged in and I was like, wait a
• 40:16
  minute. That's the Did you know that?
• 40:18
  And I was gonna mention this too.
• 40:19
  Did you know that? So Don Haim used to have this 24
• 40:24
  hour radio on YouTube where it was all like Viking related
• 40:29
  music, Norse folk music, right. He had to shut that down.
• 40:34
  Yeah. And but there's another one.
• 40:37
  Like I forget the name of it. It starts with like hooknogger
• 40:40
  or hook, something like that. Know who you're talking about.
• 40:42
  You know what I'm talking about, right?
• 40:44
  I've heard some of your music on that.
• 40:47
  Yup. And I'm like, hey, I know that
• 40:49
  song and I know that guy. And hey, yeah dude, yeah, it
• 40:53
  made me. I was like, I was saying I was a
• 40:56
  fan of the channel and to hear my music on it, like same thing.
• 41:02
  It was just like. Wow.
• 41:04
  Do you have anything to do with that?
• 41:06
  So we did have a conversation. We did talk and and he asked
• 41:11
  permission and I was like, yeah, sure.
• 41:14
  Like, I didn't know how that stuff works.
• 41:15
  You know what I was like? And then in my mind I'm like, is
• 41:18
  this really gonna happen? You know what I'm saying?
• 41:20
  Like, like, OK and then boom, it happened.
• 41:23
  Like I've gotten notification. And then there was people that
• 41:27
  have found me because of listening to his channel.
• 41:30
  So I'm always grateful for that man and he definitely he put me
• 41:35
  out there and to be amongst other bands that inspire me,
• 41:40
  it's an honor. Yeah, cuz I mean like Don Heim
• 41:43
  plays on there, Wardruna, Highland, Ayola.
• 41:47
  I mean there's so many people that are doing things like what
• 41:52
  you do, right? The kind of the solo artist that
• 41:55
  produces, mixes masters records, does everything themselves, and
• 42:00
  being in that company's got to be pretty rewarding, I would
• 42:03
  say, dude, it's I love it, man. And that Channel runs 24/7.
• 42:07
  It was at Finn. I'm gonna mispronounce it.
• 42:10
  I better not even try. But Fimple radio was done.
• 42:13
  Was was, was, was, was Michael's, was it Michael and
• 42:16
  Mark? Mike.
• 42:17
  Yeah. Mike Schaffer, right.
• 42:20
  He was the one that was doing the fimple radio.
• 42:23
  Yeah. And then that got shut down and
• 42:26
  which we've got the other thing now, but still it's like.
• 42:31
  I heard that one day and I'm like, damn, that's cool, man.
• 42:33
  Zeb stuff is on the radio or on the Internet, you know, like
• 42:35
  playing on a station that runs 24 hours.
• 42:38
  It runs 24 hours, man. And a lot of time when I'm at
• 42:41
  work and I'm in my office, that's playing on one of my
• 42:44
  monitors, right? Because.
• 42:46
  And it always makes me excited when I hear it, cuz I'm just
• 42:49
  like, I was like, got like little butterflies, man.
• 42:51
  I'm all happy. Yeah.
• 42:54
  Yeah. Do you have any?
• 42:56
  So you're talking about live performances, right?
• 42:58
  Initially when you came with into Scogomore, it was you
• 43:03
  didn't go into it thinking that it was ever gonna have a fan
• 43:05
  base, like you mentioned that earlier, like you were not doing
• 43:08
  live shows and now here you are. I think you've got a live show
• 43:11
  coming up next month, that's correct.
• 43:16
  Yeah, I've got a few shows lined up already into March as well.
• 43:24
  I've had a couple others, but because of my move, I obviously
• 43:28
  couldn't take them on and I really wanted to.
• 43:30
  But I also knew that like, hey, I'm not going to be able to give
• 43:32
  you the best performance. So therefore I said no to those.
• 43:36
  But the, the one upcoming is October 28th, it's called the
• 43:39
  Brown Mountain Light Festival. I will be there doing some
• 43:44
  vending as well because you know, I craft as well and I make
• 43:47
  beard products and it's another way for me to get my music
• 43:50
  heard. So I do vending events and
• 43:54
  they're going to be there, vending and I'm amongst a lot of
• 43:57
  bands, man. It's a great lineup, obviously
• 44:00
  the only one of my style home it so, but I there is actually some
• 44:05
  heavy metal bands and there's actually a heavy metal band on
• 44:08
  there that I'm playing next to who are amazing and they're
• 44:12
  really, really close friends of mine.
• 44:14
  So shout out to Angel Massacre if you're listeners and you're a
• 44:19
  big fan of black metal check those guys out.
• 44:22
  They're amazing live they they put on the hell of a show, man.
• 44:25
  So I'm honored to get to be reunited with some friends from
• 44:28
  my medal days. So I'm looking forward to this
• 44:31
  and it this show man is a so it's like a festival and it's a
• 44:35
  downtown area of the town of Morganton.
• 44:39
  So it's like one of the like little amphitheater setups that
• 44:43
  I get to perform on that stage. So it's going to be loud.
• 44:47
  I'm bringing, I'm bringing the darkness man.
• 44:50
  I'm bringing the fog man. I'm bringing all kinds of stuff.
• 44:53
  I'm geared up for it and I'm ready and I can't wait.
• 44:57
  I'm curious though, cuz I'm not gonna be able to make the show,
• 44:59
  but are you gonna be like, will there be any filming of the show
• 45:03
  going on? Cuz I mean, I'm just picturing
• 45:05
  the music that I listen to that you make is it's done in a
• 45:09
  studio. You're putting all of these,
• 45:11
  you're piercing all of these things together to make the
• 45:14
  music, and then now you're going and you're gonna be a live
• 45:17
  performer. How does that how is that gonna
• 45:20
  work? Like, how are you gonna play?
• 45:23
  Like I've heard of the one man band where you got like a drum
• 45:26
  and then a harmonica and it was hard like.
• 45:29
  Shaking his head and there's like a cowbell up on the top of
• 45:31
  his head. Like, no.
• 45:33
  So I wish I could do that, man. Those guys would do that.
• 45:37
  It's got some talent, man, right.
• 45:40
  No, man. So a lot of it is I have to zone
• 45:44
  in and you know, I've had to create backing tracks.
• 45:46
  And no, there's this whole thing I've been seeing people's like,
• 45:49
  go backing tracks. So look, when you're one person
• 45:51
  writing multiple instruments, how the hell else are you
• 45:54
  supposed to play live, right, without a backing track?
• 45:56
  You can't. It's impossible.
• 45:58
  Or I would have to hire musicians, right To come in and
• 46:02
  play with me. But then that defeats me being
• 46:04
  solo. So backing tracks is my friend,
• 46:09
  which you know, I've made backing tracks for all the songs
• 46:11
  I'm performing live and you know I have it where what instrument
• 46:15
  sticks out the most per track? That's the instrument that I'm
• 46:19
  playing at that time. And there is a track or two
• 46:22
  where I switch instruments as well during the set.
• 46:26
  So it's all it's all right here in front of me.
• 46:29
  I can able to get to my instruments like stands grab it,
• 46:32
  go. So a lot of wires is hooked up.
• 46:35
  So I got to be careful on that trip on stuff.
• 46:38
  Yeah. But yeah man, it's that's you
• 46:41
  know, to me again, you know, like when it comes down to, you
• 46:44
  know, like the Tarhapa, right, that Tarhapa's got to be played,
• 46:46
  man, I can't have that as a backing track, right.
• 46:48
  I got to get up there and play it and a friend of mine does
• 46:52
  amazing leather work and they're actually making me a really
• 46:55
  custom cool strap because you can't just go to Guitar Center
• 46:58
  and get a Tarhapa strap. But yeah, so that is the
• 47:05
  challenging part, man. Is a good thing about it,
• 47:08
  though. And you know, it's kind of like
• 47:10
  like click tracks when you're playing in bands.
• 47:14
  I got that track to keep me in time, right?
• 47:16
  I'm not relying on a bunch of guys hanging around me.
• 47:19
  It's me in that track and I've got to play to that track and
• 47:22
  that track never misses time, right?
• 47:23
  Because yeah, it's programmed to not miss time.
• 47:27
  So but yeah that's how it goes down.
• 47:29
  I wish I say it was as cool as putting a bunch of instruments
• 47:31
  around my legs and my feet and my toes.
• 47:33
  But now man, it's it's it it comes down to playing one
• 47:36
  instrument at a time and and you know at the level now where I'm
• 47:42
  expanded to being a multiple instrumentalist.
• 47:44
  It's the hard part really. Honestly is choosing my favorite
• 47:49
  instrument and which one I want to play the most.
• 47:51
  And and again, I just have to listen to the track and say,
• 47:54
  hey, all right, well now the skin drum sticks out the most in
• 47:57
  those ones, so that's the one I'm gonna play.
• 47:59
  Do you have a favorite instrument?
• 48:01
  Like if you had to pick one with Skoga Moore that you know this
• 48:06
  this iteration of Skoga Moore? You're like the dark ambient
• 48:08
  focus, the shamanic side of the music.
• 48:11
  Is there a particular instrument that you just are more like you
• 48:15
  enjoy playing more than another, or is it the band?
• 48:19
  It's hard, man. I love them, you know, I love
• 48:21
  them all. I would definitely My favorite,
• 48:25
  and I'll tell you because it is the most challenging, is the tar
• 48:28
  hopper, Man. I've definitely came a long way
• 48:32
  from the beginning, but I'm still not where I want to be
• 48:35
  with that instrument. You know, as far as playing the
• 48:39
  skin drum or the rattle, even playing the mouth harp today.
• 48:42
  And I also played traditional flute cat tar hop.
• 48:46
  A man is probably my favorite man.
• 48:48
  This the sounds that you can make on that and I, which I have
• 48:51
  two of them now but the sound of just just the dreadful tones
• 48:57
  that you can get out of it but also beautiful tones out of it
• 49:01
  definitely. Probably I'd have to say it's my
• 49:04
  favorite and and again because it's also the hardest one that
• 49:07
  I've had the challenge, the most challenge out of.
• 49:10
  I can see that because to me it's almost like a.
• 49:14
  Like when you hear a violin right?
• 49:18
  It can it can be the most or bagpipes, you know?
• 49:21
  Yeah, they can be the most beautiful, captivating sounding
• 49:24
  instruments in skilled hands. And then if you don't know what
• 49:28
  the heck you're doing, they sound God awful.
• 49:31
  It sounds like cats dying or geese getting stepped on.
• 49:34
  Or, and that was I was very fortunate at a young age being
• 49:37
  exposed to violin or I might as well say fiddle.
• 49:42
  My father was a bluegrass individual, so I used to go to a
• 49:46
  bunch of bluegrass festivals with him and I picked up the
• 49:50
  fiddle and one of his old friends used to teach me how to
• 49:53
  play it right. And actually my high school
• 49:57
  senior project was me spending the year learning how to tackle
• 50:01
  the fiddle and then performing it for my my project.
• 50:06
  So I was very fortunate to have a little bit of background and
• 50:08
  by no means am I sitting here telling you that I'm amazing
• 50:11
  violinist. Because I am not, but I could
• 50:13
  definitely make some tones and make some tunes, but I don't
• 50:16
  remember half of anything that I used to on it.
• 50:20
  And it it is treated tohapa is very similar in the fact that
• 50:24
  you have the the bow right. You've got to bow these streams,
• 50:28
  but the difference is there isn't a fret, it's open and it's
• 50:32
  the pressure of the pads on your tips and then the back of your
• 50:36
  finger. Like that's what works, the
• 50:38
  tones. And you've got to, you sort of
• 50:40
  got to imagine right that there's a fret board there if
• 50:43
  you use the fret board on every other instrument that you're
• 50:45
  used to playing, but it don't have that.
• 50:48
  It's literally just touching that string and applying the
• 50:52
  right pressure and that way making sure you got the right
• 50:55
  rhythm with that bow. Interesting.
• 51:00
  So I had a question too about the musical style of Skodamore
• 51:05
  and how it's evolved into where you're going with it, you're
• 51:08
  located. In, in, in, in an area of the
• 51:12
  country, in an area of the world that is one of the oldest, if
• 51:17
  not the oldest, spits of land, pieces of land, Mountain ranges,
• 51:22
  right, that are in existence. The Appalachia mountain ranges
• 51:27
  are millions of years older than even the Rockies, you know what
• 51:31
  I mean? And there's a lot of rich
• 51:34
  history in Appalachia. Folk music being one of them,
• 51:39
  you know, and I was curious has has the like, has the, the, the
• 51:49
  history and the tradition of Appalachia been been something
• 51:53
  that has guided you along your musical evolution with
• 51:59
  Skogamore? You know like it's Nordic folk
• 52:02
  music. Like, we know that like at the
• 52:04
  the Valhalla levels of voting. I mean like.
• 52:06
  Clearly it's a Nordic theme sort of thing, but I was just
• 52:09
  curious, has Appalachia been infused or given some of its
• 52:16
  magic to your musical process at all?
• 52:21
  Absolutely. Being here is, you know, I lived
• 52:28
  once in Appalachia and now I'd have been moved on the
• 52:30
  outskirts. So getting to come back to this.
• 52:36
  There's so much magic here, man. There's so much in the air.
• 52:40
  There's so much spirit here. And that's the other reason why
• 52:44
  I think recently why my creativity has just went into
• 52:49
  OverDrive, man. And I spend a lot of time, you
• 52:52
  know, on my property and I'm near beautiful land that I can
• 52:57
  go visit at any point. Today I merged before we got on
• 53:00
  this call. I merged myself into one of the
• 53:02
  creeks and I've made that a thing to do every week as much
• 53:09
  as I can throughout the week. You know, there's not a week
• 53:11
  that I'm going to miss it. You know, I might only have one
• 53:13
  time that week that I did it, but for instance, this, this,
• 53:16
  since Friday I've done stuff in, you know, with nature, but this,
• 53:21
  this, the Appalachian is just beautiful man.
• 53:23
  And so much history here, so much spirituality that this
• 53:30
  sings amongs, these these forests and these mountains and
• 53:32
  these waterfalls. So absolutely, I definitely see
• 53:36
  a huge influence going for this new EP.
• 53:40
  And I am looking for and I've been, it's been in the back of
• 53:43
  my mind to find a way to give a piece of it of respect within at
• 53:49
  least one of my tracks so that it sticks out.
• 53:51
  And you know, the one I talked about, Widow Creeks Falls.
• 53:54
  That's definitely one of them. But I definitely want more than
• 53:56
  just that one. Yeah, I mean, I feel like that's
• 54:00
  almost a given now because. You know, like you say as as
• 54:04
  much as you're immersed into the to the with the with the land,
• 54:09
  as much as you spend time your, you know, your property is is
• 54:14
  etched into the side of of a mountain.
• 54:16
  You know you're going to say and it's like you're, you're you're
• 54:19
  part of that body now, you know what I mean?
• 54:21
  So it's almost, to me, it would almost be like, well, duh, of
• 54:25
  course it's going to have an impact, you know, and an
• 54:28
  influence on things. And I know what you mean about
• 54:30
  that, that. That area just being such a a
• 54:34
  vibrant energy. I've I've been there a couple of
• 54:39
  times, I've been just right up the road, you know, if y'all
• 54:42
  have, it's here workshop. You guys are in respect you know
• 54:46
  close to one another and I've been there some you know several
• 54:50
  times and we're coming back. Our people here in Tennessee are
• 54:54
  coming back right there and some of us, some of the, some of the
• 54:57
  people that are coming with us are, you know, this is their
• 54:59
  first time. Right.
• 55:00
  And I'm so excited for that because I know what's there and
• 55:06
  I know what it feels like. And I'm just like, wait till you
• 55:08
  guys get here and experience what's available, you know what
• 55:14
  I mean? Like you just, I feel like you
• 55:17
  have to be like checked out of life entirely to go there and
• 55:21
  not feel anything and leave and feel the same as you did before
• 55:25
  you got there. You have to be just.
• 55:28
  Mentally and everything else just like checked out of life to
• 55:31
  not feel what's going on there. I had some friends come up this
• 55:35
  weekend and there's like a last minute let's run in and can we
• 55:39
  hang out? Like, yeah, come on up and
• 55:42
  that's what I did in Mass but this weekend showing them some
• 55:44
  falls. Showing them the mountain peaks
• 55:46
  and they and my favorite part is just them just you know it
• 55:52
  taking pictures and I took him up on the Parkway the first
• 55:55
  night they got here. Like they got here in about an
• 55:57
  hour later we drove up on the Parkway and I showed him the
• 55:59
  stars and I was like I promise you you've never seen the stars
• 56:02
  as bright as you will see right here in this area.
• 56:05
  And they were just so happy you know and and seeing the star and
• 56:09
  they were just the piece that people get from it.
• 56:12
  And I'm with you. Like, for you to not for someone
• 56:15
  to never experience it and then get there to experience and just
• 56:17
  like, OK, cool. Whatever.
• 56:20
  What's wrong with you? Yeah, what's wrong with you,
• 56:24
  man? Right.
• 56:25
  Right. I mean, it's an honor that I
• 56:28
  have the privilege of seeing it daily.
• 56:30
  And that is something that I don't take for granted, man.
• 56:32
  I love it and I cherish it and I respect it.
• 56:36
  And I can't wait for you and your tribe to come down and
• 56:41
  spend that time with us. I'm looking forward to it.
• 56:44
  I would like to. I would like to just put this
• 56:46
  out into the universe. I put this out into the.
• 56:49
  And and and speak it into existence.
• 56:51
  I hope that while we are there that you know for for the Fire
• 56:57
  on the mountain thing and I'm not, I'm not going to go into a
• 56:59
  lot of details about it. I've mentioned it enough to say
• 57:01
  that it's a private closed off sort of thing.
• 57:03
  It's an invite only people know about it.
• 57:06
  But that's about all there's going to be to to that extent.
• 57:09
  I hope that when we are there that we get a chance to hear
• 57:13
  some else over more stuff in person, yes.
• 57:19
  Bring the toggle heart, bring the lie, Bring bring all of the
• 57:22
  things and let's feel that spirit.
• 57:29
  I would just like to say that much, Absolutely.
• 57:32
  And it was something that I already was planning on, so we
• 57:35
  would definitely have it. Yeah.
• 57:38
  Same thing for my social media. I've also had announced this was
• 57:41
  a private class shared. I served a flyer and then
• 57:44
  everyone instantly. Where's this?
• 57:47
  Where are we gonna do this? And I'm like.
• 57:48
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a very private invitation
• 57:51
  only We don't know what the future holds.
• 57:52
  You never know how much more it's gonna expand.
• 57:55
  But definitely, like I said later on, something we can get
• 57:58
  into. So the last thing I wanted to
• 58:01
  ask you about too, cuz I wanna be respectful of your time on
• 58:05
  today's show and is with the EP and you mentioned.
• 58:12
  Some setbacks with its release and you're thinking of it maybe
• 58:15
  being released by the end of this year.
• 58:18
  That's the hope. That's the goal, right?
• 58:19
  And knowing how things are gonna go, does that mean that you have
• 58:23
  all of the material written that you want on the EP?
• 58:26
  Or could there be things that happen between now and, let's
• 58:31
  say, November, or whenever that could make?
• 58:37
  Make its way onto the EP or or or have you got all of your
• 58:40
  stuff tracked out and ready to go?
• 58:42
  It's just a matter of putting it all together.
• 58:43
  It's it's very, very unique. You asked that because no, I do
• 58:48
  not have all the tracks done. And I've had an idea of
• 58:52
  something when we're all together and that may happen.
• 58:58
  And yeah, so yeah, I think we're on the same brain waves right
• 59:02
  there. I feel like that what you're
• 59:05
  asking is something that I'm already was thinking you come
• 59:09
  together, but no, all the tracks are not finished.
• 59:12
  There's still a few tracks that I've got to put more time and
• 59:16
  actually get to a creative part of them.
• 59:19
  Yeah. And I think that's good to as an
• 59:23
  artist and as a musician and as a performer, right?
• 59:28
  I think. I'm not that, but I am somebody
• 59:32
  who creates content and has a sense of an obligation to put
• 59:37
  things out on a specific cadence on certain topics, right?
• 59:44
  This, that thing and the other. And then I'm also for me in this
• 59:49
  place where I'm like, but I'm not gonna force it to happen.
• 59:53
  Right before you came on here, I was telling people like this
• 59:57
  episode. This week's episode that we're
• 1:00:01
  recording right now was not planned in advance.
• 1:00:05
  I had something else planned that I was gonna talk about
• 1:00:08
  tonight. And then you hit me up and we're
• 1:00:09
  like, I would love to talk about Skoga more and the things that
• 1:00:15
  we've talked about tonight. And then I'm like, So what are
• 1:00:19
  you doing later? Not that we're shooting from the
• 1:00:22
  hip out here, but that we're being so sensitive.
• 1:00:26
  To. The flow of things that
• 1:00:29
  sometimes what I had. Framework of a basic idea of
• 1:00:38
  what we wanna do can sometimes be shifted and readjusted for
• 1:00:42
  something else that needs to happen that that's maybe of more
• 1:00:45
  importance or more priority. So basically what I'm saying is
• 1:00:32
  the things that we have plans for a.
• 1:00:46
  And so to let things happen organically and naturally, I
• 1:00:50
  guess is the point. Don't let this over.
• 1:00:56
  This overarching feeling of I've got to have this out by the end
• 1:00:59
  of the year. I've got to have this out by the
• 1:01:01
  by, you know, I've got to talk about this topic or whatever it
• 1:01:03
  might be. You know, don't let that be the
• 1:01:05
  thing that drives us to do it. I think, I think that if we do
• 1:01:10
  and if we lean towards that that we're going to see the the, the
• 1:01:14
  quality and and the spirit behind things.
• 1:01:16
  Take a hit. You're a. 100%, right, 100%
• 1:01:21
  right. And you know, I don't want that
• 1:01:24
  from this album, this album. I want every album I create to
• 1:01:27
  be meaningful and yeah, whatever direction it continues to drive
• 1:01:33
  the the, you know, the universal drive it.
• 1:01:35
  Right. But I'm 100% with you.
• 1:01:38
  He's like, yeah, I originally, I, you know, I had my goal set
• 1:01:42
  and then I missed it, right. But I'm in no rush because you
• 1:01:45
  know, I could it might be spring and next year before I'm
• 1:01:49
  finished. But I want to make sure that you
• 1:01:52
  know not only for myself, but for.
• 1:01:55
  For the fan base as well, I want to make sure I'm delivering the
• 1:01:57
  best of my capabilities and I want to continue creating stuff
• 1:02:03
  that that people can relate to and enjoy themselves much much
• 1:02:08
  like yourself. I know you're the same way.
• 1:02:10
  You know, you want to keep on the same same pace.
• 1:02:12
  And yeah, definitely rushing it. And it was funny because, you
• 1:02:15
  know, I was just like, I was just like, what Jesse's out to,
• 1:02:17
  you know? And I hit you up and then you're
• 1:02:19
  like, tonight. And I'm like, Yup, I can do
• 1:02:22
  tonight. And, you know, I'll have.
• 1:02:23
  Because I was doing some foraging through the forest and
• 1:02:25
  I was like, yeah man, let's do it.
• 1:02:27
  Let's do it tonight. Yeah, Worked out well, yeah.
• 1:02:30
  Completely unplanned. Yeah.
• 1:02:32
  And that's just what I'm saying. Like, here's the case in point
• 1:02:35
  for everybody listens and watches.
• 1:02:36
  It's there's a method to the madness a lot of times.
• 1:02:42
  And a lot of the other times it's just like, well, let's just
• 1:02:45
  see how it goes. Right.
• 1:02:46
  You know what I mean? Like I don't have stuff booked
• 1:02:48
  out months in advance like a lot of other.
• 1:02:51
  Podcasters or content creators do.
• 1:02:53
  I'm not saying that that's wrong or that I shouldn't, or you know
• 1:02:56
  that. You know, it just doesn't.
• 1:02:58
  That's not where I'm at with it right now.
• 1:03:00
  I don't have things in a backlog that just need to be put out,
• 1:03:02
  and I also don't have a crap ton of content that is just sitting
• 1:03:07
  waiting to be released. It's, you know, life.
• 1:03:12
  Life, of course, happens to, you know, like things that pop up
• 1:03:15
  that are are moral obligations are social obligations that take
• 1:03:20
  precedence over. Some of these other things that
• 1:03:22
  while are entertaining and enjoyable for the audience that
• 1:03:27
  we want to reach, sometimes that just doesn't take the that's not
• 1:03:31
  the most important thing at the moment, you know.
• 1:03:33
  And I think that the people that are invested into the things
• 1:03:37
  that we do understand and appreciate that you know, like
• 1:03:39
  they they want what's going to be the best quality that we can
• 1:03:43
  produce, you know what I mean? And they don't want to be just
• 1:03:46
  given something for the sake of being given something.
• 1:03:50
  Exactly. Right.
• 1:03:51
  I want to, Yeah. I want to.
• 1:03:53
  I want to give the best of my abilities and the best quality I
• 1:03:56
  can do. And rushing it.
• 1:03:58
  You don't do that. Yeah.
• 1:04:01
  And I and I feel like some of my, you know, and I will say
• 1:04:03
  some of my first album, I do feel like I rush some things,
• 1:04:06
  man, because I was so anxious. I was so excited to to have this
• 1:04:10
  out there. And I do feel like they're, you
• 1:04:13
  know, like, again, I'm an artist.
• 1:04:15
  So I criticize myself and then I listen to some things and I'm
• 1:04:18
  like, I should have done that better.
• 1:04:20
  So that that that was a lesson learned that I that I don't want
• 1:04:24
  to do, you know, on this album I want to make sure that that
• 1:04:28
  everything is there, everything lines up the way it needs to and
• 1:04:31
  when the time is right, that EP will come out.
• 1:04:34
  Yeah. You know and I know that and and
• 1:04:37
  and I'm going to be very vague, but I know from some of the
• 1:04:42
  things you've told me the last time we met in person, just it
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  was a month or two ago. I know that you know some of the
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  things that. You've that you've experienced,
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  you talked earlier on the show about your spirituality and your
• 1:04:57
  growth and your path, right. I know for a fact that some of
• 1:05:00
  the things that you experienced that you talked to me about are
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  absolutely the reason why you've taken this angle and why you're
• 1:05:08
  able to see it in this way now. Yeah, absolutely.
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  And I'll leave it at that. I just I know that I mean kind
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  recognizes kind so. Right, right.
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  I get it there. And I'm there with you, man.
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  Like, I know what you're talking about.
• 1:05:23
  And so it's beautiful to see that that that's that's a
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  universal lesson. Right.
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  You know what I mean? It doesn't have to be.
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  I'm not a I'm not an artist, a musician in the, you know,
• 1:05:35
  you're not a podcaster and and the next person's not a
• 1:05:37
  blacksmith or or iron Smith or bone Carver or a drum maker or
• 1:05:43
  whatever, right? Everybody does their own thing.
• 1:05:46
  The universal language that. These lessons of life can teach
• 1:05:50
  us is don't force it. Don't.
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  Force it happen. Just let it happen.
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  Let the universe speak to you the way it needs to speak to
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  you. And just be there for it, be
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  present for it, be active with it.
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  And once we become part of that design, once we realize, I think
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  that we're not just here to. And it it's not for us to just
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  wait for things to go by and just miss it.
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  It's for us to kind of latch on to this and and be a part of the
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  experience, you know, and experience it in our own
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  separate ways and our own individual ways.
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  But then also have this collective experience, this
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  convergence that takes place, you know, and it and it just
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  resonates so, so vibrantly for, for, for people, you know, like
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  I'm here, you're there. But we understand.
• 1:06:44
  Each other to that degree. And that's that universal
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  language, that network that speaks.
• 1:06:50
  And miles distance is irrelevant cuz we're connected in that way.
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  There's a connection that whether you try to or not,
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  whether you realize you have or not, you're part of it now.
• 1:07:04
  Exactly. And that's I've said before,
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  even you and I, our friendship, how we met.
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  And how we've always stayed in touch throughout that part of
• 1:07:20
  our life through that journey and to where we're sitting at
• 1:07:23
  today and just how, you know, like you said, how connected we
• 1:07:28
  are now and understand each other more on a different level
• 1:07:33
  now than we did when we first met, you know, and I, I always
• 1:07:37
  look forward to chats with you or seeing you in person and.
• 1:07:41
  You know and you know, sharing our content also very proud of
• 1:07:46
  you hitting that big goal you just hit with the subscribers.
• 1:07:50
  Congratulations, Sir. Thank you.
• 1:07:52
  Thank you. Watching you, you know, watching
• 1:07:55
  you grow as well and prosper man, it's it's awesome man to
• 1:07:59
  see that for you as well. And again I do believe that is a
• 1:08:02
  universe that's been working with you and speaking to you, I
• 1:08:05
  know from the beginning seeing mid garden museums from the
• 1:08:08
  very, very early days. And seeing where you're at now,
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  man. So that is definitely the
• 1:08:15
  universe has been there with you and it spoke to you and it's got
• 1:08:18
  you where you need to be. I appreciate that, man.
• 1:08:21
  Yeah, it's been a wild ride and it continues to be a wild ride
• 1:08:24
  and. You.
• 1:08:25
  Hit some nerves early where you're like, I don't get the
• 1:08:28
  YouTube thing, I'm like, boy howdy man, I don't get YouTube
• 1:08:32
  half time either. The one time where the
• 1:08:34
  algorithm's like, do this and you'll be all right, cool doing
• 1:08:37
  it. And then 12 hours later.
• 1:08:40
  Just kidding. I'm like you, motherfucker.
• 1:08:48
  I had a thing going on here, man, because I listened to your
• 1:08:50
  dumb ass. But hey.
• 1:08:51
  Right musical side. Been there too, man.
• 1:08:55
  Been there too. I've done my dealt with
• 1:08:58
  streaming. And yeah, and I was actually
• 1:09:02
  laughing and not laughing in a negative way, but just a few
• 1:09:07
  weeks ago, so I haven't checked any.
• 1:09:10
  Of my royalties from Skoga Miller.
• 1:09:14
  And for the first time the other day, I was just like, oh, what
• 1:09:17
  is there like $20? Cuz you know, it's like it's
• 1:09:21
  decimals on the sink, right? Yeah.
• 1:09:23
  Right. And I checked and actually had a
• 1:09:32
  good check in there and it was like, hey, you can cash this out
• 1:09:35
  and I was like. It ain't even pennies on the
• 1:09:25
  dollar. It's fractions of a penny.
• 1:09:37
  My account? There's no way.
• 1:09:40
  There's another Snowmore out here that I don't know.
• 1:09:42
  Yeah, like this is, this is right.
• 1:09:44
  Like, I know this is my let me make sure because it blew me
• 1:09:47
  away, man, because I'm so used, you know, even from metal bands
• 1:09:50
  and like trying to get Roller to use some stuff and it's like,
• 1:09:53
  alright guy, you get $20, I get $20, Yeah, good job.
• 1:09:59
  You might get you might get to eat tonight.
• 1:10:00
  You guys like you gotta like, well, do I eat or do I put gas
• 1:10:02
  in the? Car Yeah, we're going to Waffle
• 1:10:04
  House is what we're doing. And so congratulations today, it
• 1:10:09
  set me back. And I was like, wow, like, I go,
• 1:10:11
  I go solo. I go, I do this journey on my
• 1:10:14
  own. And this is the most from
• 1:10:17
  royalties that I've ever ever respectively earned.
• 1:10:21
  And I was like, okay. And I left it in there.
• 1:10:24
  I was like, I'm not even gonna touch it.
• 1:10:26
  I'm just gonna leave it, let it. Just let it grow.
• 1:10:28
  Yeah, you're just kind of a nestic, you know, too.
• 1:10:31
  I think that's a testament to the content.
• 1:10:36
  As well and the subject matter of the content because let's
• 1:10:39
  face it Nordic folk music is probably at its most popular
• 1:10:47
  that it's ever been. You know what I mean?
• 1:10:48
  Like this style of music and and when you know Viking this and
• 1:10:56
  and Norse that right it it's it's popular stuff right?
• 1:11:00
  And so tapping into that and and but not taking advantage of it.
• 1:11:05
  You know what I mean? Like, obviously that's what
• 1:11:06
  you've been doing. It's just kind of paying off
• 1:11:09
  now. Like you're seeing a return in
• 1:11:10
  your investment, right? And I look at that too as a way
• 1:11:14
  for like, for me especially and any other content creators that
• 1:11:19
  do stuff like this is like you can milk that cow and and do
• 1:11:26
  stuff that's just gonna catch views.
• 1:11:30
  It's like a fine line. Like you gotta balance it out.
• 1:11:32
  Like I wanna do the. You know, the stuff that's going
• 1:11:35
  to generate traffic, you know, and and and and generate an
• 1:11:40
  interest. But at the same time, I'm not
• 1:11:43
  going to sacrifice misinformation or or you know,
• 1:11:48
  bad quality or anything like that in the interim, like let's
• 1:11:52
  make sure that we're sorry, you know, balancing it out loud, you
• 1:11:58
  know, in in in a right way so. Yeah, like you got you got the
• 1:12:02
  new EP coming out it it'll be released when it'll be released.
• 1:12:07
  There's a show coming up October 28th.
• 1:12:09
  There's going to be details for that in the description and show
• 1:12:12
  notes of this podcast. So for those of you that are in
• 1:12:15
  the area of North Carolina that that's going to be, please go
• 1:12:18
  out and support the whole thing like support the event but but
• 1:12:22
  definitely check out Zeb here on on his performance.
• 1:12:26
  Is this your first live? Is this like your debut live?
• 1:12:31
  Sorry, my laptop was dying, man. I had to move.
• 1:12:33
  That's okay. Everybody's like, where's he
• 1:12:38
  doing? Sorry, man, my laptop.
• 1:12:40
  I thought I had enough battery sitting outside, but it did not.
• 1:12:43
  No, you're good man. So.
• 1:12:48
  Is this the first time? Live with you as far.
• 1:12:51
  As I mean like Skogamore as a live.
• 1:12:54
  You mean the performance? Yeah, yes.
• 1:12:57
  Yeah. Sorry that was a long.
• 1:13:00
  Journey to get where I was at to hear.
• 1:13:01
  So my brain's on law and I even left my meat outside.
• 1:13:04
  I'm disappointed about that. But yeah, October 28th will be
• 1:13:08
  my first time performing live with Squirremore.
• 1:13:13
  So, so yeah. Definitely maiden voyage.
• 1:13:17
  Yeah, it's it's one of those possibly going to be extremely
• 1:13:22
  nervous and I've been performing for 20 something years, but I
• 1:13:24
  think this one's definitely going to have me on the the
• 1:13:27
  nervous and making sure it all goes through right, you know?
• 1:13:31
  Oh yeah, I'm sure you know those those debuts are are they got a
• 1:13:35
  hit? They got to man, right?
• 1:13:38
  Yeah, I know I got friends and family come into it and
• 1:13:41
  definitely want to be me and give the best performance, but
• 1:13:45
  I'm like okay. I'm going to definitely have to
• 1:13:47
  work on that adrenaline we were talking about earlier is keeping
• 1:13:49
  that adrenaline down. Yeah, but I do want people that
• 1:13:52
  are watching and listening here, you know, in that area.
• 1:13:54
  Definitely check out the event as a whole.
• 1:13:57
  That sounds like there's going to be some really cool.
• 1:14:00
  Things just going on in general, but for those folks that are
• 1:14:04
  listening to, watching, that are wanting to hear Scoga more live,
• 1:14:08
  if you listen to the tracks, there's gonna be some links in
• 1:14:10
  the description and show notes of videos that we talked about
• 1:14:13
  on this episode. Of course all your socials are
• 1:14:18
  gonna be linked, so but for the people that listen and stuff,
• 1:14:22
  they'll be like, cool, I get to see this live if I were.
• 1:14:25
  I mean just to be honest, I have my winter nights thing going on
• 1:14:27
  that weekend and then in just a couple of weeks after that I'm
• 1:14:31
  actually going to be in Appalachia for Fire on the
• 1:14:34
  Mountain. But I'm like I I, you know, I
• 1:14:36
  would love to catch a live show one day.
• 1:14:39
  I'm glad to hear that you've got, you know, more plans to do
• 1:14:42
  stuff like that into next year in case we get a.
• 1:14:47
  Get a chance to plan and and and come out and see you.
• 1:14:52
  Yeah. And I and I do plan on
• 1:14:53
  definitely trying to get more out there next year.
• 1:14:56
  But I got, I got a friend of mine who just opened or took
• 1:15:00
  over a music video in Raleigh, NC called Chapel of Bones, and
• 1:15:05
  he's invited me to come play and perform at a block.
• 1:15:09
  So I'm looking forward to that. And then I got asked to perform
• 1:15:15
  at the total Viking experience. Which is up in like apex Raleigh
• 1:15:21
  area, so it's like a renaissance fair theme for an entire
• 1:15:25
  weekend. Yeah, they just did that.
• 1:15:26
  What was it like last March, last month?
• 1:15:30
  Yeah, earlier. Yeah.
• 1:15:32
  March I think up and then we're up there if y'all have a tier
• 1:15:35
  were there. Yes, yeah, they they they
• 1:15:37
  they're regular attendance for vendors there.
• 1:15:40
  And yeah, the the owners reached out and asked me if I would be
• 1:15:44
  interested in performing like a kind of like an after party
• 1:15:47
  thing. So I'm excited and I'm looking
• 1:15:51
  forward to that. That event is is grown
• 1:15:55
  significantly and I know last year they even had some
• 1:15:57
  billboards put up on the side of the highway get people to come
• 1:16:01
  here, yeah it packs out man. So looking forward to that.
• 1:16:05
  So I'm gearing up definitely to to get into probably I've been
• 1:16:11
  asked for a few other venues but definitely looking at you know
• 1:16:14
  like rent fares is kind of. Kind of the theme that I'm
• 1:16:17
  seeing that's coming in and and asking me and I'm, you know,
• 1:16:22
  absolutely going to do those, cuz why not, right?
• 1:16:24
  It gives me, I get to dress up and get on stage and blend in
• 1:16:29
  with everyone else and this is going to be like a party from
• 1:16:31
  that era. So yeah, I'm all about it, man.
• 1:16:35
  Awesome, man. I'm glad that there's stuff
• 1:16:36
  coming down the pipeline for you that you're going to be able to
• 1:16:39
  showcase your talent and share it with people.
• 1:16:42
  In a live setting that that always means a lot to people and
• 1:16:46
  I'm excited for you about it. So congratulations on all that.
• 1:16:49
  Appreciate it. Appreciate it.
• 1:16:50
  Thank you, Sir. Yeah, so we're gonna wrap it up
• 1:16:53
  now. Anything else going on?
• 1:16:54
  Anything that we hadn't touched on that you wanna say as far as
• 1:16:58
  parting words or? Maybe just wanna say thank you
• 1:17:03
  for having me on, man. It's always a pleasure just to
• 1:17:05
  chat with you, whether it's business related or if it's
• 1:17:08
  friendship related. I enjoy that.
• 1:17:10
  So I'm honored to be on your show.
• 1:17:13
  Having you or is for school room of your yeah I got I got the new
• 1:17:18
  track Heavens Rent Asunder which is all about suther and him set
• 1:17:23
  that in the world ablaze that's what that track's about little
• 1:17:27
  bit of a there's a little bit of a lyric video out there about
• 1:17:31
  that which. We'll link that down below too
• 1:17:34
  for. That's good.
• 1:17:36
  Random clips, man, I kind of put together to keep fit the theme.
• 1:17:39
  Didn't really want to shoot a live video for that one.
• 1:17:43
  But I do have plans on the next video that comes out will be a
• 1:17:47
  live video to represent the EP. But other than that, yeah, just
• 1:17:54
  new music. It's in the direction.
• 1:17:56
  It's coming down the pipe. The shows is coming and looking
• 1:17:59
  forward to the future. All right man, cool.
• 1:18:02
  We're definitely looking forward to following along the journey
• 1:18:07
  and we'll keep our eyes peeled and everybody else to.
• 1:18:11
  Everything for Skoger Mord and and his stuff is going to be
• 1:18:14
  linked down in the description or show notes.
• 1:18:17
  Wherever you're catching this episode, be sure to check it all
• 1:18:19
  out. Show your support.
• 1:18:21
  If you can and you're in the air, you can make it a live
• 1:18:23
  show. Definitely do that and give give
• 1:18:26
  Zeb here a high 5 for me when you're at that that that live
• 1:18:30
  show. Man, it would be greatly
• 1:18:31
  appreciated. And yeah, everything that that
• 1:18:34
  you're doing of course is coming out through Inner Demon Media,
• 1:18:37
  which is also. Going to be linked down below.
• 1:18:39
  Sitting them are great, so definitely be sure to check them
• 1:18:42
  out. And yeah, I think that about
• 1:18:45
  wraps it up. So for everybody listening and
• 1:18:47
  watching today, hope you guys enjoyed the episode.
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• 1:19:01
  fickle algorithm gods so and graciously seek and demand and
• 1:19:06
  so yes, until we see each other again in the next episode.
• 1:19:10
  May the gods continue to notice you, and may your ancestors
• 1:19:14
  smile upon you. Likewise are you friend?