Latest / Your Dark Companion Podcast / Dallas Radio History: Q102, The Zoo & The Ticket | Jon Michaels | Ep 253
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- Nobody would have thought that I would be the one.Reiner, sports talk.Nobody would have thought that I would be the one.Reiner, sports talk.Oh, it's a big mic.Oh, okay.All right.Baseball, baseball, baseball, b- b- b- baseball.Oh, it's a big mic.Oh, okay.All right.Yeah.Okay, now I get it.We had a lightning strike, boys.What happened over there, Grego?We had a little lightning strike right outside the window.The Texas Rangers win the World Series.All right, all right.Here's a tip for all these Americano League teams.Don't- Did- w- wait, you said tip.Yeah, tip.Okay.Repeat.I would- Keep jamming.This is a cool night or what?The ticket colon nothing but a big Gen X jerk-off saying, "This is a cool night or what?"Although somebody would hear that and go, "Bullshit."I'm back, bitches.I'm kinda partial to blue cars.Yeah.I kinda like them, you know.I had the dark blue one for a long time.The- Mm-hmmAudi.You remember that?Oh, no, I, I don't remember that.Dark blue?Yeah, it was a really dark blue.It was nice.No, I don't remember that.I, I just remember you in your Volvo, your wife's car, your ex-wife's car.That was, that was red, though.That wasn'tNo.Yeah, that was red.That was dark red.Now, I remember your, your Toyota, uh, pickup truck.Yeah.It was- That was whiteit was cream colored.Yeah, the- Ugly cream color.Oh, it was awful.Red, white and blue.It was awful.No, well, it was, it was kind of a tan, but youIt started, probably started out white and ended up, you know, grungy and ugly.Yeah.Probably did.You, you helped me haul a, an engine to the- I didto the, to the scrapyard in that, in that truck.That's right, I did.What a great friend.Oh, he was.Yeah.I- He used to come through.He's- Used to.Well, I still do.Yeah.I still do come through.When was the last time you asked me to do something that I didn't do?Uh, no- Probably all his commercials that he needed to record.No, no.He usually, heUh, when I'd ha- need to take my hot rod over to the guy that works on my hot rod, he would always help me out.Yeah.Aw.I would.'Cause, uh- Now you're helping me out today'cause, 'cause the guy that works on my hot rod's a big fanboy of Reiner, and so-you know.Get a little discount?Well, at least I get a little attention, but, but-you know, he, I called him up or texted him up.I needed some, some help with my brakes and, and, uh, he's, he never got back with me, so I think he's- OhI think he sent me out to the, you know, "I don't wanna work on your car anymore."He, he has something- I didn't know those guys did that.He has something against '37 Ford hot rods.I thought when you called one of those guys about working on your car, they, they were eager for the business, and they were- Well-they were very willing to help you out.That was, but I won't, I won't disparage this guy, because I think he's, he's kinda branched out, and he has a whole nother business in another location that works on nothing but engines, and I think that's where he's at.Oh.And I was kinda wanting, wanting him to supervise the work on this, on my hot rod, and, and I thought- You wanted him to do brakes, and maybe he wasn't that into doing brakes.Exactly, and so he just ghosted me out, man.not cool.So, uh, Michael, he'sHow areThat's, that'sRemember when I, one time I called you up?Yes.Just out, just out of, out of the blue.And it scared the hell out of me.Yeah.Like, "What the hell is OD calling me for?"Well, yeah, you know.His name is Grubes.Yes.And, and, uh, the guy that works on my car is named Grubbs.And, and, uh- Did you get them confused?Well, I was panicking because I was in aI had just picked up my car from Grubbs, and I was on my way back to the house-and he had done some work on my, uh, transmission, and it wasn't acting right, and so I pulled over, and, and I thought I was going, "Hey, man," you know.And it wasI called him instead, and he, you know, he offered to help me out.He offered to come pick me up and help me any way he could.I'm a good friend like that.Grubin Grubes.I try.Gruban Grubes.He is a good friend like that.This is Car Talk.Yeah.With your dark companion.Yeah.Click and clack.Yeah.Yes.Click and clack today on your dark companion.I love you.This is the 19th of August.And this is episode number which?253.Ooh.253 today.We've done 253 of these bad boys.Yes, we have.Or after today we will have.We've actually probably done more than that, but we're officially at 253.Yeah.There's, there's no way to really know.There is no way, way to really know.Numbers.I'm very excited about this guy that we have in here today.Because he is a long-time good pal of mine.I love this man.I really do.Aw.And if you like talk of, uh, radio in the old days, you are in for a treat today, because this man was in the game well before me, and we, uh, wound upUm, we had several stops together, didn't we?Yeah.Yeah.The, the one I remember the most is, uh, I was working in, uh, at the zoo, and Rhody, I was producing Rhody's show.I think La Bella, La Bella had left to go up north.Right.And so I was, I was moved in from being the Saturday night dude-to, uh, to producing, uh, that morning show, and, and you were doing sports.Yeah.And we would frustrate Rudy, Rhody because he would leave the room, you know, during commercial breaks, and that's when you'd come in and we'd, we'd, uh, share a Fire Rancher.Yes.We had Fire Ranchers.We'd share a Fire Rancher.Yes, the Fire Rancher era.And, you know, just hang around, just, you know, laughing and stuff, and then Rhody would come back in the room, and, you know, he was so paranoid about, oh, you know, he'd think we're talking about him, you know."What, what, what'd you say?What, what's going on?"Yeah.Yeah, really paranoid, so I kind, we kinda stick it to him in, in that way.But that's, yeah, we- We ended up there in, in, uh, KZPS.Uh.I don't know who was over there first, you or me.You.Oh, okay.Yeah, John Schaambe hired me.Yes.You remember John Schaambe?Yeah, I do remember John Schaambe.He did not hire me.Yeah.And my tenure there was, was remarkably, remarkably brief.And I don't know if I gotI, I know I got John Dillon over there, 'cause Schaambe didn't, he didn't trust Dillon.I mean, he, he didn't know Dillon, and, uh, uh, he, he was afraid he couldn't control him.I think that's what- See, I, I didn't realize all this.I didn't realize you were the, the, the, the, um- The conduit?Yeah, the conduit.Yeah.The go-between for all this.Well, I kinda was, you know, because, you know, I knew all you guys, and, and, uh, I ended up over at ZPS, uh, s- doing 7:00 to midnight, I think, over there.Oh, this is a very soft-spoken man here.You're going to have to listen closely.Am I not speaking up loud enoughHe does not, he does not like to talk loud.No, I don't.And he d- he doesn't, doesn't like to be noticed, really.Yeah, and that's what I was gonna tell you first, and, you know, I s- I'd save it for the conversation.You see, you know, being on a podcast and stuff, I always y- I used radio as a theater of the mind, and so it, it was best that you didn't see the guy that was talking to you, you know?And so I didn't want people to know what OD looked like.See, especially because, well, I didn't, you know?I didn't want, you know, 'cause it would ruin it for them, you know?He's also one of these guys who's funny without really trying to be.I, well, it would ruin it for them 'cause I was, I was, uh, mo- I was working for Kim Dawson's, you know, out, that's where I met- Yes, that's rightyou know, your w- your ex-wife was a f-, a fashion person.Yes.And so every time Kim Dawson's would call up, I'd have to shave my mustache and get real-get real squared away.Oh, man, you know?We need those pictures.Yeah, well.Get Renee on it.Oh, right.Right.For a long- He is John Michaels.Yay.You may have heard of him.He is John Michaels.Oh.He has had stints as a radio personality on numerous outlets.Yeah, that's true.He is now out of the game.Yeah.And he has shown a remarkable, remarkable lack of desire or interest in getting back into it.Well, yeah.You've, you s- you seem to can't, you can't retire.You can't get away from it.But- I'm out of it now.Oh, yeah.Okay.Yeah, it took a while for you to get out of it.Yeah, it did.It did.But I'm out of it now, and I have no desire or intention of going back.Well- I mean, I, I don't think anybody would want me, first of all, 'cause I've kind of aged myself out of things.But if they did, that conversation would be very, very brief.Well, you're a crusty personality, and those, those kind of people are, are desirable on radio, crusties.So crusty.But since, you know, to, to start, the, John Dimen- John Dillon, he was the start for me, 'cause we, uh, when I was in high school, MacArthur High School in Irving, uh, we would dr- uh, come in and drive to Dallas over to Sound Town and Preston Center, where John Dillon was doing, uh, his show.I think it was called Montage on KRLD.Yes, Montage with Dillon.On KRLD.On KRLD.And, uh, we would, I would go and watch Dillon he- and hear this, this, uh, Greg Allman looking guy was-behind the, the turntables, and I thought, "Man, that's, that's what I wanna do.I think I wanna do that."And so that's when I went to, uh, North Texas and majored in radio, TV, and film, and, you know.How old were you back then?Uh, when I first went down and saw Dillon, I would think I was 16, 16, uh, something like that.We used to go downtown.You remember d- across the street from KLIF was a place called The Cellar.Oh, yeah.And we would go and, and, and, uh, I would watch this guy named Coyote do his show at K- at, uh, KLIF.Yes.You know, of course, Wolfman Jack was big, and so I guess Dallas had their own Wolfman Jack.And they called- Yeahthey called him- I, I don't remember this person, but I- They- I, I don't dispute thisthey called him Coyote.I remember Coyote.Yeah, and Co- and, uh, KLIF was right across the street from The Cellar.Yes.And we used to go to The Cellar because, uh, they served mixed drinks to underage kids there, I think.And at 2:00, or li- after 2:00, uh, one guy would get at the, at the door, and one guy would get on the stage, and they use their flashlights, and one guy was the lookout for the cops, and they would, they would run girls up on stage topless.Yes, they would.And, uh, so that was the best live music and, uh- Oh, they had-topless dancing for a 16-year-old I could ever think ofthey had great bands there.They did.I used to go down there all the time because- Oh, yeahI, I, I loved the music.That was where I first saw Bugs Henderson.Bugs Henderson, and there was this- And John Nitzinger toothere was a pla- At The Cellarthis, this group called US Mailbag, and- Oh, yeahyeah, and, uh- Yeah, with Chuck Snellings.There you go.The Herd, I think, uh, used to show up.The Herd was like an Irving band.And, um, but yeah, that was, that was good fun.But I wouldThat's where it started, was I, I'd go and I saw Dylan, and I thought, "Man, that's pretty cool looking."And that started me on my, on my journey, which was, um, a long one.So, so it was a long one.It was a long one and a successful one.And see, this is no fool here, because along the way, in addition to being an excellent on-air personality, although a little bit of a, an acquired taste, shall we say.I mean, he was not like all the rest of them, and the thing about it is in r- in radio at that time, the, the ball was starting to roll a little bit toward finding guys who were just like everybody else.Yeah.And as we all know, that ball picked up a good amount of momentum along the way.Yeah.But he was not like everybody else.He had his own thing that he did.He painted a little theater of the mind.Mm.Well, it goes back to where I didn't want anybody to see what I looked like.Yes.Because, you know, that was the whole thing about OD.Yes, you understood about creating mystique.Well, yeah.You know, and plus it was better that way for me.And I even, uh, when I wasWhen I started at FM 102, I guess, back when they were at the trail, on theThey were 2 trailers on the Greater Southwest Airport, which was right just, uh, south of 183.Yeah.And, uh, that's where w- FM 102 started, and that's where I started my Dallas radio.Of course, I was working at, in, in Denton as I was finishing school.I was working at, at 1440 Cool Country.KD&T.And that's just because I needed money and, and, uh, Frank Zappa's Apostrophe album, he, there was this passage in one of the songs, I forget which one it was, where the guy goes, uh, "Watch out now, don't touch that dial."You know?And, and I thought- That's rightI can, I can do, I can do that.And so I di- I s- went down to KRL, uh, KD&T, and, and they were, you know, Cool Country 1440.And so that's what we did.Now, how did you get, get on at, uh, 102 FM?Uh, this- The station that would later evolve into Q102.Yeah, it was FM 102, and you remember all the billboards, "FM 102 gives great radio."Yes.And we did.We gave great radio, although we were just a couple of trailers out on, on the airport.Um, I don't know how I got that job.I just started, I applied, you know, kept applying.You know, uh, when you're at, in college, you know, you wanted to work at The Zoo, right, where all the guys were.Uh, and, uh, and then FM 102 started, and, and I guess they were a little less selective than The Zoo was.And so I ended up out there, which was cool.You know, that was great.And then they turned into Q102 when they, they moved to, uh, oh, OakOak LawnOak Lawn, yeah.Yeah.That, that Oakwood Towers.Yes.Right there on Lee- Yeahat Lee Park.Yeah.Lee Park on Rawlings, I believe.That's right.And so, uh, when they did that, I moved to, uh, Wilburn Street, which was just half a block from, from that building so I could, uh, do the fill-in work.You know, do whatever they needed.I drove the van.You know, I delivered the FM 102 music guides.I, uh- Now, w- was this the, the same guys at FM 102 that were at Q102- Yeahand all that?Yeah, Q102.FM 102 turned into Q102, and, uh, I don't know if they changedI don't know how they got the money, but they ended up with new studios, and it was a, it was a choice job.Yeah.And- It seems like right around then, that's when people had decided to, uh, give this FM radio thing a shot.Yeah, yeah.And try to make a, a thing out of it.And they did, too.Now, back during Dylan's montage thing on KRLD, that was just AM, you know.FM- YeahFM was there, but it was playing, uh, symp- symphony music.Yeahyou know?It was playing classical music and- The music of Mantovani and stuff like that And KRLD started, started doing the Dylan thing, and I remember I used, they used to play, uh, I'm a Man from Chicago Transit Authority.Yes.And, uh, I love that song.Of course, it was 7 minutes long, you couldn't hear it anywhere else, you know?So that was a good deal.Yeah, FM 102 was turned into Q102, and then, then I moved close to the station and did all the, everything I could, you know, to- Did you do a lot of production work there, too?Yeah.Because- Well, that was-that's another thing this guy is a whiz at, you know.He's a magician.He, he, yes, he's a production magician.Well, I was, I was doing the FM 102 thing and Q102, and then they started the, uh, FM 102, uh, Q102 night.Uh, I did, we did 2 nights, 0 one on Thursday and one on, uh,Maybe Monday night.One in Fort Worth and one in Dallas.You know, I'd go introduce bands.Yeah.Local bands.Uh, Circle, at the Circle Theater, Circle Disco.Yeah.Wherever that was.Yeah.Over there at Harry Hines.Right, right.That was the Dallas location, and Spencer's Palace in Fort Worth was- Ah, the fabled Spencer's Palaceyeah.So I was doing Q102 nights at both those places, and, uh, doing everything I could to, to facilitate my existence.And turns out that, uh, the program director, Dave Van Dyke, he got dismissed, as all program directors do.And so he moved on, and the next guy came in.He had his own crew, and I got, I got fired, or out, you know.So, uh, that was a shock.S- and, uh- Now, what year was this?Man, I wanna say '78.Okay.'77, '78.Okay.And so I, I went to work forOh, yeah, the pr- the production stuff.That's the thing, when I was, I was doing these FM 102 nights and, uh, all this stuff, and, and, uh, they started paying me to do their, their ads for their, you know, the Cardy's Nightclub.Remember Cardy's?Oh, yeah.It was, it was The Bijou, and it turned into Cardy's.That was at the Medallion Center.Yes, the Medallion Center.Mm.Skillman and Northwest Highway.I think, yeah.That's it.And anyway, uh, Cardy's, uh, had clubs in Houston and Austin and, uh, Lake Charles, Louisiana.So I was doing all their, all their ads for all those clubs.You know, "Want to go to Cardy's, little girl?"You know.Well, that's what it was.You know what I mean?The, the, the- Was that the kind of voice you would do for it?Kind of.Sometimes, somet- That's awesomeyou know, you know, sometimes.You know, they-the drinking, the drinking age was 18, you know?It was, the- Was there traffickingNo, no.Ladies night, you know?Yeah.They had- Nothing weirdyeah.And that was one of the lines- Nothing weird about ladies night.Yeah, that was one of the li- the lines that we used to-for ladies night."Wanna, wanna go to Cardy's, little girl?"And, you know, 'cause they got, they got no, you know, had to pay dollar, dollar drinks, you know, stuff like that, so.Can we steal that for Dudley's?"Want to go to Dudley's, little girl?"I guess we can.They haven't told us not to.We can see if they like it.Yeah.They might today.There you go.Yeah, we can run it past them- Yeahand see if, see if they like it.Yeah.Well, if I- They can get itoffended your l- uh, producer's sensibilities, I'm sorry.Well, believe me.You can't.I don't, I don't know which producer you're talking about- Either one of thembut- I'm talking about her.Okaybut the only sensibilities you have to worry about in this room are his.Anyway, so I was, I've, uh, I, I, I created my own company.I called it Fill in the Blank pr- well, I called it JM Productions at first.Yeah.And then it turns out I was gonna enter the con- some kind of contest at the end of the year, and I, I did.And I got, uh, I got a cease and desist from J&M Productions.It was already DBA before I showed up.So I had to enter this contest, and I thought, "Well, I gotta, I gotta fill in the blank.I gotta put a name on this."So Alan Kay, m- comedian friend of mine, and I were hanging around at that time, and so we came up with Phil N Leblanc, P-H-I-L, middle initial N, L-E-B-L-A-N-C.And so I was Phil N- I was Phil N Leblanc Productions Incorporated for, uh, for a lot of the '90s, I think.You know, so I was making money from Cardy's and all that stuff.That was cash coming outta, coming outta the back door of that place.And, uh, you know, took flying lessons, got my air- Got my, got my pilot's license, you know.Oh, wow.I had a- YesI had a- This is amazingly well-rounded cat.I'm not surprised, but I'm surprised.I had a bunch of free time, you know, 'cause I was, uh, afterI, well, anyway, I got fired and, you know, uh, went and I worked at, I went and worked at KLIF, and I c- I was doing, uh, the production for them, you know, production stuff and in a weekend shift.And turns out, I- Down there at Central and- Yeah, it's, yeswhere they always were?Yeah, right across from where The Cellar was.Yeah.But, uh- Full circleit turn, yeah, it turns out that I was on, on Sunday or Saturday night, well, I forgot which one it was, and who came on after me?Cousin Lenny.And, and I, and- Of course he didI, I used to listen to Cousin Lenny when I was a kid back in Lubbock, Texas.We'd, we'd put all sorts of antennas together and try to get Dallas stations, you know, and we could get KLIF sometimes.So you actually knew him?No, I'd listened to him.Oh, okay.You know.I me- I met him when, af- actually- Oh, okaywe started working together, and I thought, "Oh."Okay, you and your friends would put antennas together and try to pick him up.Yeah, back, you know, back in Lubbock, we'd put, we'd, uh, you know, we couldn't get Dallas stations, so we'd, we would put all sorts of antennas to try to get KLIF.Here's another thing about this man.He can, he can go to a ra- a broke-down, out-of-service radio station, go in there, take a look at the gear, um, figure out what is needed, put it all together, wire it, get it up and running, and go out to the transmitter, take a look at that, do whatever needs to be done there, and get the thing on the air.He can do all that.Well, uh- Boy, we could've used him at The Freak.That's a, that's a, that's a lot of bluster coming from Mike at that point.But my, but- Nope.Nopebut my friends- It is all true.Yeah, yeah.All in my radio career, my, all my f- all my, you know, guys I talked to at the, you know, at the company d- you know, meetings and such were the engineers and such, you know?They all, I didn't, I didn't pay much attention to all the other guys.Me and the, me and the engineers had a- Yeah, he and the engineers hit it off.And I, I don't think I've ever talked to or ever gotten to know any other radio personality at any place I have ever been in all my time in the game who even had the slightest skosh of interest in that sort of thing, but you did.Well, yeah.Well, I, I knew where my bread was buttered, you know?If stuff goes wrong in the control room, you know, some, some dumb jock's not gonna fix it.It's, it's this guy over here.You know, if I needed something, they, you know, they, they would payYou know, they, engineers and, and talent didn't get along too well, you know?No.'Cause the talent was too talented, you know?Mm-hmm.The talent was too cool.Yeah.Yeah.Anyway, I got, I did, we did the KLIF thing, and then I went to Denver 'cause, uh, the guy that, Dave Van Dyke, got, got fired from Q102, he was in Denver.You know, that's, that's the way the biz is, you know?Yeah.You follow these, your program directors all over the country.Yeah.And program directors hire their friends.There you go.And so, uh, I didn't, didn't like Denver too much.KAZY w- is the station I was at up there.What kind of station was that?It was AOR, or album-oriented rock.Um- Kinda like Q102.Yeah, yeah.They all were, uh, that Abrams format.Yeah.And, um- Were you on air there?Yeah.Yeah, I was 7:00 to midnight there.And, uh, Gloria, my wife, just got out of her master's degree out of, out of, you know, college in audiology, and she couldn't find- See, that's another thing about him.He had the good sense to marry a woman that's a whole lot smarter than he is.Yeah.Yeah, this is true.I highly recommend it.Yeah, yeah.But she couldn't get a job up there because they had a, they had a hospital, a college up there turning out audiologists like, you know- Oha dime a dozen.So we moved back to, uh, to Dallas.I mean, I packed up the truck and, and, uh- Really?Already?Yeah.Yeah.Been quite a- Okay.All right.Go ahead.Okay.We, we, um, we gotta stop?No, no.Go ahead.No, no, no.Go ahead.Don't worry about it.Okay.Well, sorry, man.Uh, anyway, so I came back from, from Denver.I came back an angry man at the radio business.Mm-hmm.And that's when- And you've stayed that way.That's when the, that's when- That, that, that's when the OD was born, you know?And, uh, 'cause, 'cause, uh, I went back to the Q102.They knew they did me wrong when they, when they fired me, 'cause they ended up firing the guy that fired me.And Bud Steiker, who was the GM, said, uh, you know, "Go talk to this guy."And, and he went and he says, he says, "Midnight to 6:00.Take it or leave it."I said, "I'll take it."Yeah.And, uh, I took it and ran with it, you know.And that's when we did the OD and- Yes, thus the OD was born.Mm-hmm.The Overnight Delight.Yeah, and So great.And he wa- he was a pissed off guy because, you know-he had just, he, he'd done everything like he thought he was supposed to do before he got, you know, kicked to the curb by, uh, you know, that, uh, program director hiring their buddies type thing.And so I came back and I just didn't give a F.And so, you know, I- You can say it if you want to.We're not on the air.Well.Okay.Well, I- We are in no way regulated by the Federal Communications Commission.I know, but, you know, I have- All right.OkayAnyway, uh, so- Private seatthat's when, that's when we started doing all the crazy, you know, what are you doing strange and stuff like that.Yeah, he used to have schtick overnight.Yeah.Mm.Well, that, I, you know, you realize that there was third shift people, you know?It wasn't just people that you know, just staying up late doing nothing, and people were, you know, there was, there was a third shift going on and a lot of computer people out there, um, uh, building chips, you know?And there's, so there, there are a lot of the, you know, smart people out there at, at 3:00 AM in the morning.Did you ever hear from them?Oh, yeah.Would you work the phones and stuff?Oh, yeah.That's the whole thing.What, what are you doing strange was, that's, that's was the working the phones segment, you know?Uh, I would, I would answer the phone and I g- I had it set up on the board where my voice wouldn't go out over the air, but it would go out over the phone, and their voice would, would, uh, go out over the air.And so I put on r- a, a record, you know, I think, uh, The Autobahn.Fun, fun, Kraftwerk.Kraftwerk.Yes.Mm.Fun, fun, fun on the Autobahn.And, and I would just, you know, I would talk to these people about what, what are you doing strange?And of course, they, you wouldn't hear me say that on the, on the air.All of a sudden you'd hear out, you know, the, the music going fun, fun, fun on the Autobahn, and then this guy come on, "Well, we're looking at squirrels sitting up on trees up here."You know?And it's soAnd, and can you imagine people out there listening to this going, "Wow, what the hell?"So that, that was fun.And, you know, we did stuff like that.This is the great John Michaels here with us today.Hell yeah.And we've got to get into the part where, uh, where our orbits started to bump into each other.Yeah.We'll get to those in just a second.Just sit tight for a second, okay?Just chill out, man.Yeah, just chill out.Just relax for a minute.Just calm down.I can tell you're all uptight, you're tense and everything, and- Yeahyou're not having a very good time.You weren't looking forward to doing this anyway.And now that you're here, you're kinda wishing you hadn't.So just try and cool out for just a bit.Take, get some water.Yeah.Take a sip.Have some water.I used- Get a tug for some waterI used to have a hood I'd wear when I had to go out.I'd be the hooded OD.It was g- it was g- it was kinda like a wrestling mask, you know?Well, right now- So intenseit's time for us, it is time for the dreaded and feared mid-show read.Oh, what do we have here today?Dudley's.Just this?Dudley's?Yes.All right.Let us tell you about Dudley's.Dudley's is a place that it just so happens we were there earlier today.Ooh.Yes, yes.Whoa.And we found Dudley's to be quite to our liking, and that is no surprise because Dudley's is a real cool, really comfortable place, and, um, it's a great place to watch games.If you're the kinda guy that likes the sports bar scene, you like a little beverage and stuff, and you like TVs that show games and stuff like that, well, the- You like wingsDudley's it- yeah, wings too.And if you're into gambling, ticker.Yeah.Oh, yeah.That's right.They got the ticker.Hey, they got it all at Dudley's.You want food units?They're excellent.Had some of those today.Beverages?Yes.TVs?Check.Sports on those TVs?Absolutely.Dudley's is located on Henderson, just a little bit to the southeast of Central Expressway.Just hang a right at that fabled Knox-Henderson exit, and you will find Dudley's just a little bit of the way down.It's on the right as you make your way down that way.Check it out.I do think you will enjoy Dudley's quite a good bit.Yes.All right, now- That's all Dudley's II.Yes.Oh, this 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first annual Lobster Live Music Fest.That's August 19th through the 30th at Dudley's in Rockwall.This is not the same old lobster fest.This is wild-caught Maine lobster, live music, signature cocktails, exclusive merch and swag, daily giveaways, and a $1,000 raffle.All of that for you at Dudley's, the one on Henderson, and that one, the one in Rockwall.So check out Dudley's at both locations.did you have lobster today?And then I was like, wait, y'all didn't go to Rockwall.No, we did not go to Rockwall.I had a, I had the blue cheese burger though- Oohfrom Dudley's tonight, and it was amazing.I settled p- for some, uh, chicken tendies.Is that what that w- No, you got the, the stuffed, um, jalapenos.Oh yeah.Stuffed jalapenos.They looked like tendies.As big as a chicken.They're so big.They were delicious too.They really are.Yeah.Humongous even.Dudley's is dudley delicious.Yeah.Ooh.Dudley's is dudley delicious.See?Yvonne went with this.And he's- He got the chicken fried steak that was as big as the bar.Oh, I've had me the- It's amazing that Bon Mot's like that, that'll prove where he is.Didn't even get paid to do it.I do, I do notice that he just pulled that out of the air.Yeah.Right from his bottom.He's amazing.Yeah.We gotta start getting him to write articles.This is one of the most- Yepamazing cats I've ever known in m- my whole time in the game.Yeah.All right, now let's, uh- What?You don't believe that?Well, you, you know, you're, you're, you're a nice guy.I'm not being a nice guy.You know.I'm telling people the truth.He says it when you're not around.Oh, okay.Well, that's good.That's right.I do.I do remember when I walked up to you one time, you'd been talking, uh, I'd heard through the grapevine that, that you were standing up for me, or in, in a, in a staff meeting at the zoo.Yes.And I, I thought, "Well, I'll just go up and say thanks for standing up for me."You know, "Thanks for mention-yeah, thanks for mentioning me."And so I think, uh, we were, there was a, there was a, there was a band.I know he did something wrong.I think Emerald City was the band that was on stage at, at some venue where we both were, and I saw you out there standing on the, in the floor, arms crossed, with your satin jacket on.Hell yeah.Yeah.And, you know, afro.Satin jacket.Cigarette?No cigarette.Okay.And so I walked over and said, "Hey, man, uh, John Michaels.How you doing, man?Thanks a lot for, you know, mentioning me in the staff meeting the other day."That you, you know, whatever I said, something like that.And he goes, he looks over, "Well," just ignored me.I did not.Went back to- Sounds like Mikewent, went back to, went back to watching the band.You know, he might've grunted.Yeah.You know, "Uh, yeah, uh."End of interaction."Yeah."I did not.Yeah.Just like that, Howerton.I don't, you know- And so many others.Yes, exactly.So, so y'all, y'all know I'm- Can we get a picture?Yeah.No.So you all know I'm telling the truth.Exactly.This is a true story.We know.I believe we know.You made your bed.Now you must lie in it.Yeah, yeah.So anyway.I don't know what they were, what kind of meeting was it?They had a, some kind of bullseye, and they had me in a, I don't know, some, you sent something, throwing darts at a bullseye or something.I, I, I don't remember what it was either.It was Ira.He was the program director.No, he wasn't.Oh, he wasn't?No.No, I never, I never- Oh, you, was it Rob?Um Rob Barnett, I think Might've been Tom Owens Oh, yeah.Okay, okay.There was 2 Tom Owens's Yeah, there were 2 Tom Owens's.Fuck.One was a program director of The Zoo, the other, the program director of Q102.How about that?That is unstable.Yeah, it was.Oh.It was.Highly unstable.And they weren't, were they related in any way?No.No.Just- No.That's really unstablecoinky-dink, you know?Yes.I don't like this.So anyway, you know, that's when I met Mike.And then, uh, I don't know how we ended upWe kinda lived, uh, in the same neighborhood.Yeah.You know, you, Rhody, me, all over there- Yeaharound White Rock Lake.Yeah, everybody was kind of a, a East Dallas- Yeahs- thing, you know?Yeah.And, uh, I don't know.Uh, I think, like I say, we w- we were, got chummy when we were talk- when we were, I was producing Rhody's show.And then somehow, uh- Yeah, the, now that time, by that time, um, you were at KZPS, right?No, I, I was at The Zoo there when we were d- we were do- in the control room, and then I left there and went to KZPS.Okay.All right.Now l- let's talk about how you got into The Zoo.Well, the same Sam, uh, uh, I think, uh, I'm not sure.You know, it's, I was, I was available, you know, and I just, p- production mainly, you know.Yeah.I c- I could do production.When you can, when you can produce stuff- He's a production whizwhen you can pro- Mm-hmmeverybody wants you, you know.Yeah.Yeah, we, we don't like you, but you can do s- production, so-you're in.Yeah, so.And it turned out he could do anything.Yeah.Not only could he do production, he could run the board.If you needed him to be, do an air shift, he could do that.Well, that goes back to when I started.I wanted to be a utility.I was a utility man.I did everything.I wanted, wanted to beI was a radio guy.Yeah.You know.He is a radio guy.Chris and Michael Young areThere we go.Whatever.Who are th- that w- Yeah.You could move him around from position to position.He di- he didn't like it- Yeahbut he wouldn't make a big thing out of it.By the way, that was, that was a baseball reference.Yeah.I, yeah, okay.You got me.There we go.Oh, you know, and then, then I ended up, the second half of my life, I was at The Ticket, you know, doing that whole weird thing.Yes.All right.Let, let's get back to The Zoo real quick.Now, how'd you wind up there?Um, I don't know.I, I really don't.I think I just applied and- Because that's where I f- I first actually got to know youyou know.I just a- I, I just applied.I was, I think I was doing the Saturday night dude.I was the dude.Yeah.My big thing there was I, I would, I would go in and, you know, I got these, you know, we had these record interviews of all these people, and people were interviewing these, you know, like Julian Lennon was on disc, you know?And so this guy was interviewing Julian Lennon, and so I would go in and take all the Julian Lennon audio out of there.And I ha- had this backstory.I convinced people that, you know, Las Colinas was just built.It was out, and they had a sound studio out there.Yes.And so I had a microphone in the shower at the sound studio.And so you'd, you'd hear the sh- shower sound and, and, uh, you know, you know, me asking questions of, you know, these artists in the shower.And they, they, they, and it was really them.And of course, I would ask, you know, questions to make their answers, you know, somewhat believable.If or not- So many bitsor not- How long did it take you to put something like that together?Oh, you know, a few hours I guess.You know, just- Decent bit of splicingjust hanging around, you know.Yeah.But see, the thing about it is he was very, very serious about all that.He was very dedicated, and if you were going to do that, you would do what you had to do to make it come off right.Yeah.You know, you, you, it's theater of the mind, you know?It's, oh, it's so fun.Yeah.You know?Yeah, it's theater of the mind.Yeah.It's exact- Yeahkind of like this.Right.A lot, yeah.Except you got cameras.Except you got cameras, and that's no good.Yeah.Yeah, that blows the gag.I gotta- Kinda nullifiesI gotta put a hood on.Bring back the hooded OD.Yeah.Well, I only wore the hood when they, Ken Dawson's made me cut my mustache off and stuff.You know, they said, uh, well- Yeah, he used to be a male model toowith a mustache, with a mustache I look like a Dallas police officer or the Marlboro Man.One or the other, and they, you know, that was, that was passe.They didn't want that.He had chevron.Yeah, yeah.The favor of law enforcement and porn stars.Yeah, no, my claim to- My claim to fame in my modeling career was I w- I ended up doing a, aI don't know if you remember back a long time ago on General Hospital, there was this actress named, uh, Nina, I think.Her name was Linda Miller, but I think sh- her, her, uh, actress name was Nina Miller, and she played one of the, one of the ladies on All My Children or something.But anyway, she was also an, a Dallasite and a Dallas model, and I would end up, end up doing a session with her, and it turns out that the, the stuff we did ended up on a 3foot by 4foot poster.And, and I was at the Neiman Marcus for, for year, every Christmas.They'd put that poster up of me modeling some stupid stuff with Nina.Yeah.And see, and I would go down to Neiman's and ride up the els- escalator.They usually put it in the escalator area.You ride up, so it really wasn't prominent.It was kind of tucked away.And there I am.Hey.Did anybody ever ride up the escalator and start looking at it and then looking at you and looking at it again-and then looking at you?And- No, like I said, you know, I, I'd look totally different then.You know, when they, when I did that stuff, I looked different.And, you know.All right, so how'd you wind up at Zoo?Like I, I au- I auditioned for the job, I think, and they made me, uh, gave- What, Dory asked you that?He kind of did, yeah.They gave- Oh, shootthey gave, they gave me a, you know, the weekend thing and, and I did the dude thing.And then I left that and went to, uh, ZPS, and that's when- Okaywe brought everybody over.Yeah.Dylan and, uh, you, I think, you know.For a couple of weeks.Yeah.I think even, you know, uh, LaBella ended up over there for a little bit.Did he?Yeah, yeah.Yeah, LaBella, they, they, they did a LaBella and Rhody reunion-type thing for a while.Yeah.And that didn't, that didn't go through.I mean, well, you know, LaBella left or something, and then he got killed, you know.Mm.But, um, uh, when, uh, L- Rhody was doing his job, you remember Danny?Danny 0 Owen?Danny Owen.Yeah.He was producing that show, then he got made program director, and so I moved in to produce Rhody at, at ZPS.And then I gave away $100,000 by mistake.Whoops.Man.That's like, um, $3 million in today's money.Yeah.Man, they had 6 in a, play 6 in a row or win $100,000, you know?And I just- You only played 5 in a row or something?Well, I'd just come back.I'd just gotten my tonsils taken out, and then so I had 2 weeks- Ohyou know, for, uh, you know, recuperating, and I was back at work, and I really wasn'tI, I, you know, I really wasn't all there.And so I did miss, I missed it, and then, you know, the guy won.He really won $60,000 annuity.And, and- Yeahso that turned into $100,000, you know.Shoopy, what's an annuity?You're asking me?Yep.Yeah.I don't know.I think you p- you put it in the bank, and it grows.You know?Oh, that sounds pretty cool.Yeah.Yeah, it's kind of- What's a bond?It's kind of like your savings account, you know?You get interest.No.Anyway, they thought- They thought, they thought that Rhody and I planned that.That- They thoughtI had to get a lawyer.Oh.You did?Yeah.No.Sal Foose.He was a, you know, big time radio lawyer.Yeah, he was like an agent.Yeah.You know?What was his name?Yeah.Sal Foose.That's a great name.I know.I thought that's what they said, butYeah, Sal Foose.If, if- Sal Fooseyeah.Anyway.Yeah, I tried to get him to be my agent, but I was so insignificant then that he, he couldn't use me.Yeah.If only he knew.Same here, but, but when I, when I showed up with a lawsuit against Bonneville, you know, he, he, you know, perked him up a little bit.So, so, uh- Was he on your side, or was he- Yeahagainst you?No, he, he, it was definitely not my fault, you know?And, uh- Well, how'd it happen?Like I said, I played 5 instead of 6.Boy.They want a drugged up guy- How, how does it usually happen?on the air.I mean, they thought, you know, they thought we did it on purpose.They, uh, and they put, at that moment, they moved me out of, of, uh, on the air.Right?To, uh, production.I was the production manager at that point.And that's when The Ticket, uh, bought, uh, K- K double A AMK double A AM.Yeah.Which was right across the hall from my studio.Right.And that's- That is, that is where we first- That's when we really first met.Yeah.Yeah.So you were over there programming that whole thing on a wing and a prayer.Oh, God.Oh, my God.I was loaning you wires and things that you guys didn't have.I, I, I was- Oh yeah, yeah.I was, I was sliding them bits across the hall, you know?I was, you know, making it funny, 'cause I- The guy, the guy that, that ran KZPS and K double A AM told all the KZPS people, "Look, don't help those guys."Mm."They're not part of us.Don't give them anything."He, he probably told them not to even talk to them.And the only reason they did is because I- You know, had been in the game for a while, and I knew a lot of them, and they- Mmweren't gonna be jerks to me or anything.Yeah.You know, I talked to them.Yeah, he did.And I, I ac- I, well, I saw, you know, that was, like, they were there January to April, and right around January- It was that long?Yeah.Wow.6, 6 months.Because my, you know, my contract was supposed to be renewed, and, uh, uh, at, at KCPS, and since I'd given away $100,000-they weren't, they weren't in, too much in the, in the, uh, you know, a good spot for that.So, uh, they said, "Yeah, it's on his, it's on his desk."Uh, you remember Larson, John Larson?Oh, yeah.He had one eye.Oh, yeah.Oh.He did.And i- it's on, it was on his desk.Okay.And so- I was on his desk once.No, no, n- no.The contract- Might as well have beenmy contract was on his desk, you know, and I-and that was that.Of course it wasn't on his desk.They weren't gonna give me another contract.And so at that point, I thought, "Well, these guys here at the t- you know, this ticket thing, th- they sure are having fun, you know?"This is the, this is the stone ca- you know, stone cold gas, baby.We're gonna- You know.I'm gonna, I'm gonna move to these guys.Yeah, so he started working the room with the guys who were running the ticket.Mm-hmm.I mean, he didn't, didn't have to convince me.I already knew of his greatness.I wasn't sure exactly how we could use him, but he sagely saw that he didn't have to worry about me.What he had to do was get the other 2 guys- Mmonline.And those 2, other 2 guys were Jeffrey Dunbar and Spence Kendrick, the ones that the 2 of them with me started the whole thing.Mm-hmm.Yeah.So he had had toAnd they were over me in the food chain anyway.That's right.So he had to get, uh, he had to bring those guys around.Well, it was easy because, you know, like I said, the production thing, you know, I hadMy competition at, at the ticket was a guy named Pink Pants.Pink Pants?What?Well- Lookthat's what we called him.Yeah.Yeah, because he- Okay.I thought that was like his on-air name or something.That's, that's just what we called him.It's like, I don't remember ever hearing this guy.Okay.I, I don't remember his- I don't even remember his real name.John Robertson or something like that.I n- I never knew his real name.I hope he's watching right now.He was Pink Pants to me.Yeah, he always wore pink shorts up there.That's gonna be the Stokes got to lose.Yeah.Yeah.Anyway.And he was totally incompetent.He was no good.We needed somebody to do that, that job.And- Yeah, at this point-and when it came to that, man, I was totally out of shit.I didn't know where to go.You know, the job wasn't, you know, it was, it was production, but it was also, uh, what it ended up being is called creative services or, you know, image production.Yeah.Image.I, I imaged the station.So the OD is responsible for turning the ticket into what it was as far as being crazy and, and abstract, kinda tilted, you know?And, um, that was, that was a good thing.That was a good thing.It was, you know.It was fun.Well, plus all you guys, you know, I mean, everybody there except Mike was 10 years younger than I was.Almost maybe 20 years younger than me.Oh, yeah.And so I didn't fit in too well with them as far as, you know, being one of the guys, you know.You know, I was just, oh, Mr. Do.That's what they, they, uh, Hammer named me Mr. Do.Where did that come from?Well, it wasn't because I could do it or, you know-or I, I could get it done.It was because my hair.Yes.Ah.I mean, look at that do.He- It's still glorious.Look at it.Yes, it is still glorious.He was jealous of my- Is that real?Yeah.Yeah, I think it is.Thank you, man.I think it's real.Does it look real?No, it's extremely real.It's incredible.You know, my, you know, and, and so they called me Mr. Do.You know, I didn't mind.I thought, "Yeah, Mr. Do can do it."I can get it done.Let's go.That is amazing, 'cause I never knew why you were called Mr. Do.I just thought it was some weird, like, amalgamation or something of- No, it was-of, of OD or somethingit was meant, it was meant to be a, a dig at me, uh, because of my hair.You know, Mr. Hairy Do.Wow, that must have hurt your feelings.Yeah.I was probably just tore up- They're, they're making fun of my glorious hairIt just tore him up.He hurts very easy.I know.I, he looks like he's about to cry now.Yeah.Rethinking about it.Actually, you know, my time at The Ticket, I think I grew a ponytail down the middle of my back twice.You did?Yeah.I don't remember that.Well, I- You did not.Yes, I did.Yes, I did.I was also, you know, uh, and wouldn't you know it, uh, I was working at The Ticket, but here comes, here comes Susquehanna.Bought it from, bought it from Spencer, Spence, and turned it into a, "Oh, you, you do this for, for The Ticket.""Yeah, but, uh, we need you to do it for this station, too," you know.And so I had to do, uhRemember The Zone?I was- Yes.Yes.I was Zone guy.Ah.That's right.You were Zone guy.Yeah.It was me and the computer.Now, we, we had, we had another ownership scene in there- Yeahbecause the- Southwest.Wasn't it great?Um, it was the ones that owned KRLD.Right.I can't think of their name.Yeah.Was it SFX- BoboBonneville and- Bobo.Yeah.Yeah, Jerry Bobo was the guy back then.Yeah.I like Jerry Bobo.He's a good guy.Yeah.That's a great name.Yeah.We went from Spence to Bobo.Yeah.And then, and then to Susquehanna.Yeah.And then, and then they went from that to, uh, Cumulus.To Cumulus.Yes.And here we are today.Oh, my.So there you go.They're there.I'm here.Uh-huh.And we're about outta shit.Yeah.Do y'all remember Barry Stokes?Um- Just had a- Nolistener question.Um, Stokes.I remember the name.Wasn't he, like, a, a- Chase pantsguy who did a financial s- services spot or something like that?I don't know.Maybe he's pink pants.No, he's not pink pants.He wasn't pink pants.I think pink pants, his real name was, I wanna say John Robertson or something like that.It was John something.Yeah.Yeah.Yeah, but I, I don't remember.Maybe it was Robertson.Maybe not.I don't know.He was a real nice guy, though.Yeah, he was a nice guy.Just sucked at his job.It happens.Yeah.I've been in that boat.No, he was good at his job.I was, I was just better.Well, yeah.Yeah.Nobody's better than him.No.I'm aware.That's not true.Poor.No, it is true.Nobody's better than him, and the thing that makes him great- Yeahis he is just eaten up with getting it right.Mm-hmm.And I like people like that.I think the, what do they call it?The, uh, anal.Anal retentive.Anal retentive.I like the word pedantic.Okay.A little anal retentive never hurt anybody.Yeah.So, yeah.Meticulous.Yes.Meticulous.So that's, and I spent, uh, 27 years at The Ticket.Yeah.So, and then that was it.That was enough.Well, COVID happened, and then they w- they were wanting me to do , do The Ticket and WBAP and whatever else they'll, they had on the line, and I opted out.I said, "Well, I'll justI think I'll just retire."I'm good.I, I'll just retire.Yeah.And they were happy, you know, 'cause they can get somebody to do the job way less than, than they were paying me 'cause I'd been there a while, you know.That's right.How much were you making?I don't know.I don't remember.He, he demanded a lot anyway.He demanded a lot, and he always got it.Damn right.Well, see, you know, the thing is, Fill in the Blank would make up for any-any money r- that, that, uh, radio couldn't provide, you know, so.Did you keep that going the whole time, too?Uh, I guess through the '90s, right- Okaythrough 2000.It got kind of hard because of the income tax, you know, the in- the corporation tax and all that, you know, so I let, I let it go.So what do you do with, with yourself today?Uh- Mr. DoI watch- I watch a l- a lot of YouTube, uh, body cam videos.Like police or adult?Uh, let's see.There's, there's, like, 2 categories.It's, you know, traffic stops, and then, uh- Shoesair- airport.No, airport.Okay.Airport people getting too drunk.They won't let them on the plane.Ah.You know.That MF-er's not real.You know, that.You know."Don't touch me.I told you notDon, don't touch me."And the, you know, the traffic stops and the airport stuff, and, uh- I think today.Probably.Well, it just, it just- He might've beenit just, you know, it just real- it, it wakes you up to, to realize that, man, I will never, I would never act that way-if I got in trouble like that, if I got in, you know.So these are tutorials?Yeah.Yeah.These are, these are, these are primers.Yeah.Yeah.You know.This is how not to act- Yeah.You watch-when you get in troubleyou watch those, and you leave knowing that when 5-0 flags you down, you better come correct.Yeah.Mm-hmm.Yeah.Yeah.And, and, oh, the sovereign citizens.Have you seen that?Yes.The, sometimes there's some kind of thing where people don't have to register their car, they don't have to get driver's license, and they, because they're a sovereign citizen.Hmm.They do.And they- Noand they think that's gonna fly when the cop comes up and says, "License and registration, please.""No, I'm a sovereign citizen, man."Yeah."I don't have any of that."I, I know how it's gonna end.He's gonna be pulling her out of the car.And she's gonna be yelling, "Don't touch me.""I'm not resisting," when they're resisting, you know.So I, I guess I've watched my fill of, of, uh, body cam videos.Hmm.I'm off to other, new, green- greener pastures.But no, I, I, I, you know, I hang, I hang around home.I've got grandkids, you know.Aw.You know, so- You got grandkids?I got- I got grandkids too.Yeah, yeah, you know how that is.Yep, I do know how it is.So, but basically- Have you had fun today?Did you like this?Well, yeah, it's, uh- I know you were very reluctant.It's, it's okay.But, now, you know, I, I keep going back to, you know, people sh- you know, I, I'm ruining it for them, because, uh, you know, uh, well, the way I a- I look, you know.I mean- They, they had in their mind what this guy looked like y- you know, 50 years ago.Oh, they always have that.And I ruined it for them.They always have that.I blew it for them.They're delighted- Yeahby the overnight delight.So you would've have, you would've rather done an audio only type thing?Well, yeah, sure.Maybe next time.Yeah.This, this is, this is, uh, quite a setup you have here, by the way.Very nice.It works.Very nice.It works.Competent people.Yes.All good.It works.Aw.So you've had fun today?Yes, I've had, I've had fun.This warms my heart.That's ringing endorsement.This war- this warms my heart, because he didn't think he was gonna like this.Oh, I thought he was just gonna not show up.What did I, what did I tell you on your text, you know?Yeah, hold on.He made you Yeah.Oh, he did.Did he make you laugh?Yeah.It was pretty great.Yeah.Give me a second.Um- I need a hole in the head.Yeah.Um, I texted him yesterday, "See you tomorrow, OD.Let me know if you need anything.I need a hole in the head for agreeing to do this.That's what I need."I try to be perky and stay positive."It'll be great."He responds with just a sad emoji.And I say like, "Uh, promise me and Ryans have no interest in making you look bad or get you in trouble with anyone.We respect you too much."And he's like, "No worries.I'm good."And then that's all I heard from him until I saw him walk in the door.Yeah, yeah.Well, we held up our end of that, of the bargain, didn't we?Oh, yeah, yeah.You, you- Yeah.You guys are great.I, I didn't, I didn't th- I didn't think you'd do anything wrong, you know?Yeah.No.No, I just- I wasn't gonna g- get you over here and make you look like a fool.Mm-mm.Yeah.I was gonna extol your greatness- Yeah.which is all I ever do for you.Well, yeah, you're, you'reIt's true.You do.You, you've been- He stood up for you-even if you didn't acknowledge it.Well, he does.He's a, he do- he does all right.And I'll, I'd stand up for him too, you know?Aw.Yeah, and, and he has.We, we've known each other, we know, we've known each other quite a while.Yes, we have.Even before we found ourselves working together, we knew each other.Yeah, yeah.How did you wind up at the zoo?I, I applied for the job.That wasn't the question.Hey, remember that guy Rob, you know, Rob Barnett?Yeah.Okay.Here's, here's a good one.You know, back, back in th- in that day, there was, uh, Farm Aid.Remember Farm Aid?Yeah.And so I was tasked to go down to Farm Aid with some sales exec to, uh, cover the Willie Nelson Farm Aid thing, you know.And, uh, uh, Roadie down there and I was down there.And, uh, so we ended up coming- So it was you and Roadie and some sales guy?Y- yeah, some s- girl, sales la- Oh, a girlsales lady.And so her account, you know, I guess.I guess.And so we did the Farm Aid thing, you know, and, and, uh, uh, came back with, uh, some Willie weed.And, and, uh, uh, the story behind that is Rob ends up in the backseat of Roadie's car in the fetal position coming back from Fort worth, from some Fort Worth thing after smoking Willie weed.Yeah, I think I remember something, hearing something about that.There you go.Yeah.It's, it was true.Yeah.You know, and Rob wasn't as, he w- I guess he wasn't ready for Willie like he thought he might be.But, you know, the fact that he- Yeahwas curled up in the fetal position in the back of Roadie's car was kind of, kind of a funny picture.Well, I know you would be ready for it.I would be.And Roadie would be ready for it.Sure.But- Sure.That was- Very few of the rest of us would be.Yeah, you guys didn't partake in that kind of stuff.That's okay.We forgive you.Aw.You know.All right, we will get you out of here, man.I, I'm a sweaty mess.I need to get- You are a sweaty mess.Can't even tell.Uh, kind of.Well, I'm glad you did this.You're glowing.Well- It's, it's great to hear your stories again and, and you clearly remember a lot of stuff that I don't, so that's cool.I, there's, I'm sure there's more in there, but, you know- Ohof course, you, you were tasked with driving this thing, and I don't think that you drove it very well.You may-r- r- ran us off the road a couple of times.I don't think I did at all.What?Okay.I th- Yeah.Yeah.Like- No, no, nohow'd, how'd you start- Little bumpyit, it- How'd you start- If my job is to- How'd you get the job at the zoo?If my, if my-if my job is to, is to get these stories out of him, I think I did an exemplary job of it.No matter how many times he has to ask.Yeah.All right.Yeah.Slightly- Slightly slip-ups every now and thenWell, it's a little snag.Yeah.Just a small, small s- Yeah.Yeah.That's right.Till he got the answer that he wanted.Nobody would've noticed.Except these so-called friends of mine.We are not your friends.Yeah, I can see that they're- They're very used to you.Whatever.Love you, Shoopy.Yeah.All right.That is it for YDC for today.Good to have you back.We thank you very much for watching.What we need you to do is share us.Get us out there on your social media.Share us with your friends, and tell your friend about YDC.Just like you used to tell a friend about The Ticket, tell a friend about YDC.Mm-hmm.That's what we want.That's the idea.Yep.Ashley, you need to check out this show.Yeah, Ashley.It can- Never heard of it.Doesn't sound like it would be my bag at all.Yeah.Well, see you later.Yep, see you later.Bye.All right.I'm gonna go take my pants off.Your Dark Companion is a Stolen Water Media presentation.