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Sean O'Connell Show - Full POD 8-3-26 · The Sean O'Connell Show

• 0:17
  Speaker 1: Heavy Monday.
• 0:21
  Speaker 2: Everybody, Happy camp day, everybody.
• 0:26
  Speaker 1: Utah football back in action.
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  Speaker 3: Media availability happening right now after a morning practice.
• 0:32
  Speaker 1: I got some fomo, all right, Not gonna lie.
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  Speaker 3: We're gonna have to wait until the class schedules start
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  Speaker 3: for these players before the stuff gets shifted into the
• 0:42
  Speaker 3: afternoon a little bit, and then we maybe we'll have
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  Speaker 3: a chance to get up there in person. Football camp
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  Speaker 3: is back your Utes on the field here on the
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  Speaker 3: Sean O'Connell Show. We're excited about it, we're looking forward
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  Speaker 3: to covering it. We're looking forward to giving you all
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  Speaker 3: the sound at ESPN seven hundred sports dot com.
• 1:04
  Speaker 1: And of course.
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  Speaker 3: We are one month away from the beginning of the season.
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  Speaker 3: It is August third, September third, is your opening game
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  Speaker 3: against Idaho, Oh so close. Coverage of fall camp is
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  Speaker 3: Citrin Cooperman and your Utah Toyota Dealers right here on
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  Speaker 3: your home of the Utes, and we're happy to have it.
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  Speaker 3: Lots to get to Today, we'll touch on some basketball
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  Speaker 3: with Gordy. Tony Jones is going to join us Zack
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  Speaker 3: Moss to talk about this upcoming season James Westling from
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  Speaker 3: Big twelve Radio as well. So a jam Pack show
• 1:48
  Speaker 3: in what will be a really fun week of shows,
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  Speaker 3: this one again. I'm here until Wednesday, and then I've
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  Speaker 3: got PFL fights in Charlotte at least I think at.
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  Speaker 1: Least like my fingers across, I hope, uh.
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  Speaker 3: And then then we got one more in Tampa, and
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  Speaker 3: then we're rolling into the football season with very little interruption,
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  Speaker 3: which I'm excited about.
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  Speaker 1: By the way.
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  Speaker 3: On that front, I don't want to like obviously, Utah
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  Speaker 3: football is the most important thing.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if people saw that.
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  Speaker 3: Announcement last week, the Thursday announcement that the PFL, who
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  Speaker 3: obviously I'm the play by play guy for, has merged
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  Speaker 3: with MVP, which is the name of Jake Paul and
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  Speaker 3: Nikisa Badarian's promotional company. They do a bunch of boxing
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  Speaker 3: and they did the big Ron de Rousey Gina Carano
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  Speaker 3: card on Netflix.
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  Speaker 1: We have now merged, So.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know what that means for your boy, but
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  Speaker 3: at least for now exciting prospects and possibilities in the
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  Speaker 3: PFL world.
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  Speaker 1: I got some questions.
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  Speaker 3: We're going to get to more questions through the next
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  Speaker 3: thirty days or so uh with Utah football. I want
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  Speaker 3: remember remember last Wednesday when we had three calls in
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  Speaker 3: the first segment.
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  Speaker 1: Let's let's try to get back on that train.
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  Speaker 3: Let's build the same way that Morgan scally is building
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  Speaker 3: his Utah football team into a level of strength and
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  Speaker 3: conditioning that will make them formidable. Let's build ourselves into
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  Speaker 3: a call in show, all right? Eight seven seven three
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  Speaker 3: five three zero seven hundred. I always love the interaction
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  Speaker 3: on the text line, and I would like some more
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  Speaker 3: phone calls as well. I like to hear from you
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  Speaker 3: the people. So eight seven seven three five three zero
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  Speaker 3: seven hundred. Football season is back, baby, and we're gonna
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  Speaker 3: ask a bunch of these questions today. My question for
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  Speaker 3: you is, pretend you're a coach. Pretend you're the head coach.
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  Speaker 3: What position battle are you most interested in, most concerned over,
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  Speaker 3: most intrigued by as a fan? More importantly, if you
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  Speaker 3: were a member of this team, if you were the
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  Speaker 3: coach of this team, what is the question you want answered?
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  Speaker 4: Like?
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  Speaker 3: Hey, who is my starting blank going to be? Eight
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  Speaker 3: seven seven three five three zero seven hundred. I think
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  Speaker 3: we have a decent idea of what the depth chart
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  Speaker 3: looks like at a lot of very important positions.
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  Speaker 1: At the quarterback position, you are set.
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  Speaker 3: You've got a top I think ten ish guy at
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  Speaker 3: the quarterback position this year in Devin dan Pierre. I
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  Speaker 3: think when you add Bert Fickland to that equation, you've
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  Speaker 3: got like a top five quarterback room. When it comes
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  Speaker 3: to production from the quarterback position, whether it's passing, rushing,
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  Speaker 3: most importantly touchdowns, I think that Utah's quarterback room is
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  Speaker 3: going to produce top five level points numbers in country
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  Speaker 3: this year. And I know that's a lofty expectation, but
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  Speaker 3: that's where I'm sitting. So eight seven seven three five
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  Speaker 3: three zero seven hundred quarterback is not a question which
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  Speaker 3: is so nice.
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  Speaker 1: Quarterback number two.
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  Speaker 3: Which is something that we've really gone into previous seasons
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  Speaker 3: wondering about, is not a question mark, which is again
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  Speaker 3: it's a luxury.
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  Speaker 1: Knock on wood. Keep all these guys healthy.
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  Speaker 3: They've been lifting hard, they've been doing all the things
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  Speaker 3: necessary to lay the groundwork to emerge from camp ready
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  Speaker 3: to go to face this schedule. In Morgan Scalley's first year,
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  Speaker 3: the position battle that intrigues you the most, and I'm
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  Speaker 3: not gonna let you say well, I need to know
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  Speaker 3: who all starting five offensive linemen are.
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  Speaker 1: I think we have a pretty decent idea of who.
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  Speaker 3: You know, maybe three of the five or four of
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  Speaker 3: the five are going to be I think talking with
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  Speaker 3: several people, maybe the right tackle position is sort of
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  Speaker 3: up in the air. Maybe the left guard position is
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  Speaker 3: something that we'll see a little bit of movement on
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  Speaker 3: or a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: Of speculation about.
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  Speaker 3: The offensive line comes into the year with as many
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  Speaker 3: questions as anyone else. But really, both lines of scrimmage,
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  Speaker 3: you're like, well, hold on and your starter on the
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  Speaker 3: defensive line is less important than the rotation on the
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  Speaker 3: defensive line, whereas with offensive linemen, you really have to
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  Speaker 3: have your starting five dialed in. Yes, you're gonna play
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  Speaker 3: six or seven, maybe even eight if we're lucky through
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  Speaker 3: the course of the year, But how many of those
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  Speaker 3: guys are you know, fifty plus reps of game type players,
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  Speaker 3: And really, for me, the biggest question on that is, well,
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  Speaker 3: where does Kelvin Obot fit in? The five star all everything,
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  Speaker 3: highest graded recruit in the history of the program. Does
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  Speaker 3: he fit in to a starting lineup beginning of the season.
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  Speaker 3: Do we wait until midway through the season do you
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  Speaker 3: not make a move or inject him until he hits
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  Speaker 3: a certain physical size because he's probably already there. Are
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  Speaker 3: you looking for weight room numbers to support his ability
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  Speaker 3: to hold up? Are you worried about if you don't
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  Speaker 3: start him, what kind of conversation you have to deal
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  Speaker 3: with on a weekly basis. I mean there's also the
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  Speaker 3: salary cap situation when you're talking about some of these guys.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think you paid Calvin Obot whatever you paid
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  Speaker 3: Calvin Obot to come red shirt, if I'm being honest.
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  Speaker 3: So that's one of my big questions. If it's not
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  Speaker 3: at right tackle, where is it? Is he a guard
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  Speaker 3: heading into the year? You know, Kevin mcgiven joined us,
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  Speaker 3: what is that now? James about six six weeks ago,
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  Speaker 3: eight weeks ago and talked about Kelvin Obot getting a
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  Speaker 3: lot of reps at the guard position.
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  Speaker 1: And that's, by the way, it's a very natural progression for.
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  Speaker 3: Guys, guys with his sort of physical stature, the long
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  Speaker 3: armed individuals, right, But do you need that or does
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  Speaker 3: the returning experience though not starting experience on your offensive
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  Speaker 3: line mean that you're allowed to let him kind of
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  Speaker 3: marinate for a while.
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  Speaker 1: Eight seven seven three five three zero seven hundred.
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  Speaker 3: What position battle you're keeping the closest eye on heading
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  Speaker 3: in to fall camp. Left guard, right tackle Both qualify
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  Speaker 3: for me because I think those are both places we
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  Speaker 3: could see Kelvin Obot playing during his true freshman year.
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  Speaker 3: That's with as much possible respect to guys like Isaiah Garcia.
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  Speaker 3: Ike Garcia is a dude that we have been waiting for,
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  Speaker 3: holding our breath for lamenting the injury problems. This guy
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  Speaker 3: before Kelvin Obot was even on anyone's radar. This is
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  Speaker 3: a guy that everyone was like, you need to land him,
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  Speaker 3: top end offensive lineman in his class in the state
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  Speaker 3: and a guy that you had to grab and put
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  Speaker 3: on your roster. And unfortunately he hasn't really been on
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  Speaker 3: the field much for you yet because of the injury situation.
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  Speaker 1: Cedric Jefferson.
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  Speaker 3: You brought him in from Montana State for a reason,
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  Speaker 3: not just to add depth, although that does help, but
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  Speaker 3: because he could push for that starting right tackle position,
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  Speaker 3: maybe the starting left tackle position. I don't think we
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  Speaker 3: should just assume that Zaraway Williams is going to be
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  Speaker 3: the starting left tackle automatically, because he's the biggest guy
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  Speaker 3: that we've heard from the most and he's got the
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  Speaker 3: most reps on the people returning. You're gonna have to
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  Speaker 3: get to know the names of this offensive line one
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  Speaker 3: way or another. Last year you knew every because you
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  Speaker 3: were like, well, yeah, these guys are all going to
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  Speaker 3: get drafted. This year, you got to get to know
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  Speaker 3: these guys because you're gonna probably see some combination of five, six, seven,
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  Speaker 3: eight of them. And then hopefully you're not talking about
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  Speaker 3: the problems. You're not talking about the slow growth, You're
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  Speaker 3: not talking about the issues. My first concern, my first
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  Speaker 3: position battle i'm watching is right tackle. I think left
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  Speaker 3: guard is one that you have to pay attention to.
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  Speaker 3: I think really anything there on the offensive line matters.
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  Speaker 3: But I want your specific one, your specific offensive line position.
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  Speaker 3: And it goes much much further than that, because remember,
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  Speaker 3: defensive line also doesn't have a bunch of returning talent.
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  Speaker 3: Allen on the text line says, who's going to step
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  Speaker 3: up at detackle detackles?
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  Speaker 1: Right? This is what I said.
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  Speaker 3: You don't need five starters that and maybe a one
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  Speaker 3: swing guy, rotational guy. You need four, maybe five tackles
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  Speaker 3: that you trust in every situation, that you trust in
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  Speaker 3: a starting rep that you trust on a third down,
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  Speaker 3: that you trust when the game is on the line,
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  Speaker 3: that you trust when you're up by three touchdowns to
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  Speaker 3: not get penalties and give the other team a bunch
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  Speaker 3: of momentum. You need four at least that you trust,
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  Speaker 3: and whether or not they're on the field for the
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  Speaker 3: actual first rep of the game is less about them
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  Speaker 3: and more about what the offense gives you and more
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  Speaker 3: about I mean, there's gonna be situations where Morgan Scalley
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  Speaker 3: and Colton Swan scheme up some things against I don't know,
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  Speaker 3: Houston where it looks a little bit different.
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  Speaker 1: They're gonna go up.
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  Speaker 3: Against TCU, and TCU might trot out empty for the
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  Speaker 3: first rep of the game and you're like, oh wow,
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  Speaker 3: there's five wide here. We got to we gotta put
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  Speaker 3: one d tackle on the field and go go fast, right.
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  Speaker 3: But Alan, it's a great question, Mike brings up one that. Honestly, Mike,
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  Speaker 3: this is why I want the interaction. I want the text.
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  Speaker 3: Are we gonna find a field goal kicker that you
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  Speaker 3: can trust beyond twenty five yards?
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  Speaker 1: I mean that ended up being.
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  Speaker 3: Massively, massively important for Utah football season last year and
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  Speaker 3: it was a great season. I don't want to hear
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  Speaker 3: anybody saying anything except that I don't want us to
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  Speaker 3: get it lost, like.
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  Speaker 2: Because you'll you didn't beat TC excuse me, didn't beat
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  Speaker 2: Texas Tech, and he didn't.
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  Speaker 3: Beat BYU when you needed to in order to earn
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  Speaker 3: your spot in a Big twelve championship game. I don't
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  Speaker 3: want it to be lost that last season was an
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  Speaker 3: awesome season for Utah football. The standard, though, is now
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  Speaker 3: championship contention is now championship like actually being there with
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  Speaker 3: a chance to play for it all.
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  Speaker 1: The standard that Utah football.
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  Speaker 3: Fans want, and more importantly, that Morgan Scally wants to meet,
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  Speaker 3: is making it to a college football playoff and doing
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  Speaker 3: it now, doing it before they expand to twenty four
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  Speaker 3: teams or sixty four teams or whatever final product we
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  Speaker 3: end up getting.
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  Speaker 2: We want, he wants. They want to be in it
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  Speaker 2: right now. Well, December madness is that you're thinking of
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  Speaker 2: sixty four team bracket four regions one through sixteen.
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  Speaker 1: Let's go.
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  Speaker 3: It'd have to be November madness, because man, that tournament
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  Speaker 3: would be so dang long be done.
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  Speaker 1: It'd be done after the Super Bowl.
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  Speaker 3: If we started in December, and obviously he's never gonna
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  Speaker 3: get that crazy. But right last year, you didn't have
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  Speaker 3: a kicker that at least one guy the most important
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  Speaker 3: guy trusted in a BYU game. And by the way,
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  Speaker 3: Dylan Curtis was that dude coming out of high school.
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  Speaker 2: He obviously he showed us he has the lego. See
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  Speaker 2: it's it's the accuracy. And to to Mike's point, like,
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  Speaker 2: that's why his point is valid to say, can we
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  Speaker 2: trust someone beyond twenty five yards? You can with the
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  Speaker 2: length of dill Zilla, remember the remember the old nickname
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  Speaker 2: dil Zilla, with the length that he has. But yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I'm not he at least based on last year. Couldn't
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  Speaker 2: really say that based on accuracy, and I have some
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  Speaker 2: I have pretty good hope for maybe that was just
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  Speaker 2: freshman year. He's he's a new new to college football,
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  Speaker 2: and this year he's gonna he's gonna be gonna live
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  Speaker 2: up to the potential or at least get a lot
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  Speaker 2: closer to that emense potentially at command of high school.
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  Speaker 3: I think that is all freshman stuff, right, true freshman
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  Speaker 3: when they're playing at any position and there's outliers. Of course,
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  Speaker 3: true freshman playing at any position, are really up against
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  Speaker 3: it in their own heads, right, And if you're talking
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  Speaker 3: about a guy, a true freshman playing on a defensive line,
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  Speaker 3: if you're talking about a true freshman linebacker, if you're
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  Speaker 3: talking about a true freshman that is, you don't see
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  Speaker 3: a lot of true freshman offensive linemen.
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  Speaker 1: So I won't use that example. True freshman running back.
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  Speaker 3: Right, that guy probably the first few times he's out
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  Speaker 3: on the field, makes the mistake, doesn't do the right thing,
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  Speaker 3: doesn't get the handoff if he's the running back, the
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  Speaker 3: quarterback doesn't throw the ball his way, and you don't
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  Speaker 3: know if he ran the right route or not right
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  Speaker 3: true freshman kicker. Kicker is physically a lot less demanding
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  Speaker 3: than the rest of football, but mentally is more demanding
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  Speaker 3: than a lot of football positions, because you're the freshman
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  Speaker 3: kicker and everybody is holding their breath and watching you
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  Speaker 3: do their thing, and there is no hiding from that.
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  Speaker 3: There's no hiding from the mistakes. There is no moment
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  Speaker 3: on the field or in the film session after where
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  Speaker 3: you're just.
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  Speaker 2: Like, please don't see my screw please don't see my
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  Speaker 2: cus but please don't see why I screw up, And
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  Speaker 2: then you breathe the sigh of relief when they don't right,
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  Speaker 2: because everyone sees your screw up. Is the starting pitcher
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  Speaker 2: on the mound, No one's near the starting pitcher in baseball.
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  Speaker 2: He's the penalty the penalty kick taker, whatever you call
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  Speaker 2: it in soccer. That he's the guy at the free
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  Speaker 2: throw line in basketball taking clutch free throws. But that,
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  Speaker 2: like you're right, we there's no more unique position in football.
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  Speaker 2: Probably for that reason, you just can't. He's a tennis player.
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  Speaker 2: There's no one else around you. You stick out like
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  Speaker 2: a sore thumb, whether you have a lot of success
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  Speaker 2: or whether you have a lot of failure or some
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  Speaker 2: of both. And Mike, I love you bringing this in
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  Speaker 2: on the text line at eight seven seven three five
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  Speaker 2: three zero seven hundred, because you know, you go look
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  Speaker 2: at Dylan Curtis's last year, and I think, and the
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  Speaker 2: reason I feel confident in saying it's all that was
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  Speaker 2: all about being a freshman. His accuracy issues on field
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  Speaker 2: goals because the stuff that he felt was routine, the
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  Speaker 2: stuff that wasn't super high pressure for him. The extra
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  Speaker 2: points he was nails program record. He kicked sixty three
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  Speaker 2: extra points.
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  Speaker 3: He like he was awesome on extra points, and that's
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  Speaker 3: because those things are just routine. That's just like a
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  Speaker 3: all right, go out there that most people are getting
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  Speaker 3: up out of their seats and going to the bathroom
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  Speaker 3: after the touchdown has scored. Nobody sticks around for the
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  Speaker 3: extra point. It's all those hold your breath moments when
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  Speaker 3: you're forty seven yards away and you see the little
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  Speaker 3: flags on top of the goalpost standing straight and you're
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  Speaker 3: just like, oh my gosh, I think that he'll be better.
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  Speaker 3: I think I don't think he'll be better. I know
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  Speaker 3: he'll be better there. He'll be he'll be a lot
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  Speaker 3: more comfortable there, because everybody is going into their second
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  Speaker 3: year in the program, going into their second year on
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  Speaker 3: the field. Even more importantly, there's just there's nothing that
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  Speaker 3: can replace experience in any in any spot.
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  Speaker 1: But true freshman kicker. That's a big ask.
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  Speaker 3: And he's still I want I'm not letting anyone off
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  Speaker 3: the hook. He still should have been more accurate, he
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  Speaker 3: should have been better. He's a five star out of
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  Speaker 3: high school for a reason, right, He's a guy.
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  Speaker 2: You paid a lot of money for that guy to
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  Speaker 2: come and be your kicker for a reason.
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  Speaker 3: I also think that there's a balance to be found
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  Speaker 3: with saying, all right, I trust you not only on
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  Speaker 3: the extra points, but I believe you can do this
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  Speaker 3: on not the long convert, not the long one in
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  Speaker 3: the BYU game.
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  Speaker 2: Not fifty five yards plus or whatever.
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  Speaker 3: But on the chip shot in the BYU game. I
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  Speaker 3: don't care that it's a BYU game.
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  Speaker 2: I trust you you can you can make it. You
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  Speaker 2: can make this from thirty five to forty yards.
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely, you're sending a message when you tell your kicker,
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  Speaker 3: uh no, we're gonna leave it out there. We're gonna
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  Speaker 3: leave the offense out there. You're sending a message to
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  Speaker 3: your kicker. Maybe not the first time, because the first
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  Speaker 3: time he's just like, oh cool, we're being aggressive here.
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  Speaker 3: When you don't send him out there. The third time,
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  Speaker 3: you're sending a mess to that kicker, right, and no
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  Speaker 3: one is immune to that, especially when that message is
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  Speaker 3: coming from the head coach. So great, great observation, Great
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  Speaker 3: great question from Mike eight seven seven three five three
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  Speaker 3: zero seven hundred. The position battle that you are most
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  Speaker 3: dialed in on during fall camp which began today, which
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  Speaker 3: media availability is probably almost wrapping up right about now.
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  Speaker 2: They were projected for ten forty five. Actually, I take
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: that back. It might just be getting started.
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: Out they were projected for ten forty five. It's probably
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: gonna get started in ten minutes.
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, if we're being honest, it's that the time that
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: they give us a little inside baseball is like they
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: they feel like practice is going to end around. Then
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: they've been told the practice will end around. Then it's usually,
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: you know, give or take twenty thirty minutes later, sometime sooner.
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: Derek says, the blind side, whichever side that is for Devin.
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: I trust his escapability, but he's got to be able
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: to see it to escape from it.
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: I actually think, Derek, we love your interaction.
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: I actually think that is the thing that's most unique
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: about dev Spidy sense.
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: He's got Spidey sense. He doesn't have to see it
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: too it like most quarterbacks do.
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: Spie four.
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: That's us, baby, We we we're the one who he said,
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna call it Spidey sense now and now he's
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: he's got a whole brand out of it. We're it's okay,
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: you don't have to give us anything, Devin. We just
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: give me the throw it out there. We give me
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: a t shirt whatever. By the way, new Spider Man
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: movie out in theaters and plans to see it.
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: I heard it's really good. Yeah.
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: I don't get to the movies that much, so I
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: don't know when we'll see it, but eventually I'll see it.
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: I will say this, O see. Finally got to see
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: The Odyssey yesterday and incredible.
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: I heard mixed results. I don't or mixed reviews. I
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: don't understand the bad reviews after seeing it.
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: It's an incredible movie. Eight seven seven three five three
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: zero seven hundred. The football Utah football camp position battle
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: that you are interested in.
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: One that people are not bringing up.
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: And I think it's because we have grown accustomed to just,
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: you know, at least quality at that position.
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: But what about the safety spot.
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: Okay, I know everyone's like, yeah, Rabbit Evans is back
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: and he's healthy.
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: Okay, all right. Well, and Nate Richie's a senior this year, Okay,
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: all right, he's.
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: Been reliable Okay, you know, not spectacular, but reliable.
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, great, So you're just gonna tell me that Jackson
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: Benny is a nickel all the time because Shariff Shaw
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: doesn't tell us that Sharif Shaw has designs on a
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: bunch of these other guys with the ability to play
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: that nickel corner spot.
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: So what does that mean for Jackson Benny.
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: You're not keeping him off the field, right, He's got
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: to be on the field.
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: He's one of your best athletes. So where's he going
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: to be? What position is he truly going to be playing?
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: Are you going to have more of a safety rotation
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: which is a little bit weird honestly if it goes
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: if it goes that way, because they really like Nate
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: Tillman also, so safety is not as settled as I
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: think a lot of people want it to be, or
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: I think as much as a lot of people kind
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: of take for granted because you have positional versatility from
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: several of these guys like Nate Ritchie, I think is
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: as much of a box safety as he is anything.
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: So does that change the way you line things up?
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: Does that change the.
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: Way that you substitute and do you do it based
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: on what you think opposing tend to.
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: Do you have really three starting safeties or four starting safeties.
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: That you're playing some level of guess work and coach
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: otum is that dude where you're like all right, you
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: know what, I think that they're gonna I think they're
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: going to be passing on these three downs. So let
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: me get my speed, my ball skills, let me get
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: Rabbit Evans and Jackson Benny you're out there, and then
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: it's like, okay, you know what they're running on these
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: two downs, Nate Richie, You're going to be out there.
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: And that's not to criticize Nate Richie's ball skills or
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: anything like that. I'm just saying, do you play into
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: the strengths of your personnel with substitutions or it's like
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: the running back thing. Do you let those guys be
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: out there in an rhythm and doing their thing? And
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: how often in the Big twelve? You're going to see
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: fewer nickel packages with this year's schedule than you did
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: last year's schedule. So what does that mean? You're taking
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: Jackson Benny off the field? Are you having him play corner?
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: Are you having him play nickel? Are you having him
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: be a true like center fielder safety? Because you can't
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: not play the guy.
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: He was for stretches you could argue the best defensive
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: player on the team last year. Oh see, and that's
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: with John Henry daily on the field dominating like and
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: that's and.
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: He should have had three more interceptions than he had. Yeah,
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: he dropped three interceptions, right, and that's Look, it ends
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: up being a pass break up anyway, so it goes
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: in the stat sheet. Obviously, an interception is a much
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: more valuable stat and a much more impactful stat But like.
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: He's always where he's supposed to be.
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: It seems he has the athleticism to be to run
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: with pretty much everybody at the wide receiver.
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: He can jump with all these guys.
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: It's just and that's not to say that Nate Richie can't,
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: or that Rabbit Evans can't, or that whoever else can't.
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: But the hope is, knock on wood, that you see some.
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: Rotation that involves Nate Tillman, that involves Rabbit Evans a
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: healthy version, right, Nate Richie could be your next Steve
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: Taate type safety.
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: It's the safety spot is not as settled as I
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: think a lot of people are talking about. There are
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: a lot of question marks there. Absolutely, I feel like
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: there's a lot of trust in Rabbit Evans because of
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: the way he performed. He's performed when healthy, but he
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: hasn't been healthy all that much, and so it's limited
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: that we've seen him. He's not a guy who's been
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: in the program for this isn't is this his third
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: year in the program, But I feel like limited reps.
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: Oh see, he's not been a starter for were you know,
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: three four years at this point.
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: So I just I agree with you.
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: I think there's more question marks there than we want
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: to say. I think getting Derek Odain back on the
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: coaching staff, that's a big reason why it's important that
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: you got an experienced guy who knows the program, who's
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: had success as the safety's coach here at the University
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: of Utah in a golden year in the in some
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: of the golden years for the Mountain West era, right,
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: and not.
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: Just team golden years, but safety position golden years. That's
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: that's something that like Rojo Casey Evans, Steve Tate, I mean,
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: these guys were all coached by him. These are you
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: had an All conference safety basically every year, Joe Dale.
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: These guys were coached by Odom. They were awesome, awesome players.
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: So that can't be understated. When you have this many
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: on this much uncertainty there's some there, there's some familiar,
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: but there's still a lot of uncertainty. It's great to
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: have a proven coach like that back in the fold
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: with Derek Odam And I mean, it's great to have
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: the head coach be the safety guy. And he's gonna
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: he's certainly Morgan Scaley is certainly gonna have some eye
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: on the safety room because just like we always said,
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: Kyle Whittingham's gonna be gonna always have an one eye
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: on the defense and he's gonna have you know, that
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: eye is gonna be in the linebacker room a lot.
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: We said that a lot of times over WIT's tenure.
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: It's the same thing with Morgan Scalley. You gotta feel
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: like the safety's safety position will still be a big
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: strength even with even with this uncertainty. But you're right, like,
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: who's it gonna be that that's a big question.
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: And as far as the coroner rotation, Sharif Shaw doesn't
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: mention James Chnault and j C. Hart and Rock called
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: well alongside Scooby Davis to make their moms feel good, right,
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: He doesn't drop people's names just so their family is like, oh, look,
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: coach said.
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: Something about you.
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: He's sending dual messages like congratulations, I've noticed you, and
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: also I'm watching everything you do.
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: Now you're on the radar. Do you want to play?
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: You're on the radar?
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: Are you going to be the guy that forces his
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: way into a starting position, that forces his way into
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: our defensive plans because I know your name, you have
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: the traits that I'm looking for. Are you going to
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: be someone I can trust? I mean, they like a
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: lot of the bodies there, But again, who is going
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: to step up and be someone that.
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: You play every game?
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: And all of this this will be my last point
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: before we take our break. All of this, when you're
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: talking about position battles was political to some degree. Before NIL,
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: coaches always wanted their scholarship guys, their highest rated recruits,
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: to kind of like come through and prove, hey, I
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: know what I'm doing, I know what I'm talking about,
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: I know who I got. But even more so now
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: the NIL number attached to these individuals is going to
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: have some kind of influence. No matter how much coaches
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: wanted to be a pure meritocracy, money still has influence
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: the same way it used to be.
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: Just scholarship money that had influence.
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: Now the nil money hyper focuses that forces that in
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: a way that even scholarship money wasn't able to in
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: the past. And I don't have the balance sheet, I
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: don't have the salaries in front of me, but we
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: kind of know the guys that are demanding the most,
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: commanding the most, getting the most.
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: Those guys get.
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: A little bit extra leash maybe, which means from the
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: pure meritocracy standpoint, it's harder and harder and harder to
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: be at Jackson Benny from last year. You should be
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: more and more and more impressed with those guys who
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: insert themselves into a conversation that the books, the bean
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: counters don't want that person to be in that conversation.
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: They wanted to be Chalk. This is our highest paid guy,
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: he's our best guy. This is our second highest paid guy.
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: He's our second best guy. Position battles that have you
• 30:39
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• 30:41
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• 30:50
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• 31:06
  Speaker 5: Let's get the latest on the Utah Jazz with former
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• 31:51
  Speaker 6: How are you, sir, Sean?
• 31:53
  Speaker 7: I am too well, Thank you.
• 31:55
  Speaker 4: Uh.
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: The dust settling on free agency, NBA trades personnel movement,
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: and we're getting I think a really solid idea of
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: who ends up where for this upcoming NBA season. Who
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: helped themselves the most besides the Sephany six Ers.
• 32:12
  Speaker 7: In getting Lebron, I would say this a few teeth,
• 32:20
  Speaker 7: but in particular would be the Lakers. How Lebron moved on.
• 32:27
  Speaker 7: But they've done a good job as far as their additions,
• 32:31
  Speaker 7: and so the Lakers, I think of it sounds weird
• 32:33
  Speaker 7: saying you're Lakers of old people, but they're vastly underrated.
• 32:37
  Speaker 7: So meaning that the Lakers, who they added, they had
• 32:40
  Speaker 7: in the off season. First they added former Jazz man
• 32:44
  Speaker 7: the count section, who helped them tremendously. He added Jayden Harden,
• 32:48
  Speaker 7: who's a scorer. He had a matist eyeball, he had
• 32:51
  Speaker 7: his dad Williams. They had Kevon Looney and besides Walker
• 32:57
  Speaker 7: Kessler and so and also a Calabilly. And so they
• 33:02
  Speaker 7: the Lakers, they redirected their efforts. And now obviously the
• 33:06
  Speaker 7: team is Luca Dodgas and Austin Reefs. So they did
• 33:10
  Speaker 7: a good job, the Lakers as far as what they're
• 33:12
  Speaker 7: trying to accomplish it and that's why filled the competitive
• 33:15
  Speaker 7: India in the West quickly. Also just by getting Tobias
• 33:21
  Speaker 7: Harris the San Antonio Spurs, they did a good job.
• 33:25
  Speaker 7: So they plugged in a guy that's going to be
• 33:27
  Speaker 7: able to score the ball from outside rebounding traffic. He's
• 33:31
  Speaker 7: thirty four years young, he's been in the playoffs many
• 33:34
  Speaker 7: times already. He'll give another guy to go against the
• 33:37
  Speaker 7: thunder front line. And also, if they get that far,
• 33:40
  Speaker 7: you get that far again, go go to Eastern Conference.
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: Heavyweights around the West.
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: We were watching the Warriors closely because there was some
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: idea that maybe Lebron James would have chosen Golden State,
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: and ultimately he doesn't. Golden State extended Draymond Green, and
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: so they're like they're they're keeping the old crew together
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: to some extent, even if it's with bubble gum and
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: band aids. But Draymond Green back for one year twenty
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: seven point seven. Is that the right move for a
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: Golden State? Is that a reasonable salary for Draymond Green?
• 34:21
  Speaker 7: It's the right move, not a good salary twenty seven
• 34:24
  Speaker 7: point seven. Is that he's declining his skills, and that's
• 34:29
  Speaker 7: a concern. So the words are saying, basically, we're going
• 34:33
  Speaker 7: to eventually drop down in the standings, but we have
• 34:38
  Speaker 7: Steph Curry. We're not going to do that to an organization.
• 34:41
  Speaker 7: And so this almost like the last hurrah before they
• 34:44
  Speaker 7: really truly rebuilt. Steph's got two milli years left in
• 34:48
  Speaker 7: his contract. Draymond signed a one year contract. You mentioned
• 34:50
  Speaker 7: the twenty seven point seven million. Remember Raymond also opted
• 34:54
  Speaker 7: out of it. You get them some sort of cap
• 34:57
  Speaker 7: space and timing to try to get Lebron once Lebron
• 35:01
  Speaker 7: went to Philadelphia then to be signed Raymond for the
• 35:04
  Speaker 7: original contractor twenty seven point seven. Jimmy Butler is an
• 35:08
  Speaker 7: elephant in the room when he's there. He's a talented guy,
• 35:12
  Speaker 7: though Moody and his contract is really a tough one
• 35:16
  Speaker 7: to deal with. That one year next year, meaning the
• 35:20
  Speaker 7: season coming up to twenty six twenty seven, he make
• 35:23
  Speaker 7: fifty six point eight million. They'd love to move them on,
• 35:26
  Speaker 7: but there's nobody in the NBA would take them with
• 35:28
  Speaker 7: that salary. Maybe possibly during the trading deadline if an
• 35:33
  Speaker 7: elite team needs a small vote and they're willing to
• 35:36
  Speaker 7: pay half of that salary. Possibly, but right now, so
• 35:40
  Speaker 7: the Warriors, they're just treading water now. Jazz Basketball, Hopefully
• 35:44
  Speaker 7: the Jazz are able to leap frog the Warriors from
• 35:47
  Speaker 7: his reality, and the Jazz point of view is that
• 35:50
  Speaker 7: the Jazz they added some good players, plus Darren Peterson
• 35:54
  Speaker 7: is the major talent, and now can they go Can
• 35:57
  Speaker 7: they outplay on say the Warriors, the MAVs, the Clippers,
• 36:05
  Speaker 7: the Trailblazers, the Tea Wolves, the Suns. They're all bunched up,
• 36:10
  Speaker 7: all those teams are Can the Jazz go over them
• 36:13
  Speaker 7: by playing better defense and also getting more continuity with
• 36:17
  Speaker 7: their with their with their young lineup.
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: The Nuggets have been shopping Peyton Watson around and apparently
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: that's coming as the timing gets weird. The price seems
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: to be coming down. What sort of marketers are going
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: to be for him?
• 36:35
  Speaker 7: What he said one is that the hits the dilemma
• 36:38
  Speaker 7: that a lot of teams have shook your free agent means,
• 36:42
  Speaker 7: simply for the lamage term, that your present team wants
• 36:48
  Speaker 7: you on your want you on your organ in your organization,
• 36:51
  Speaker 7: but we're not going to bit against ourselves. And so
• 36:55
  Speaker 7: Peyton Watson is this young guy that's really popped out.
• 37:02
  Speaker 7: It's far in their lineup and it's played well, even
• 37:05
  Speaker 7: though he got hurt last season didn't play in the playoffs,
• 37:08
  Speaker 7: but set them back as far as being knocked out early.
• 37:11
  Speaker 7: And so the Denver Nuggets do not want to overpay
• 37:16
  Speaker 7: dramatically on him. They want them on the team, and
• 37:19
  Speaker 7: no team is bidden on him right now. So now
• 37:22
  Speaker 7: it's a wait and see game. Who's going to blink first?
• 37:26
  Speaker 7: Now the Nuggets have their forty eight hours. If someone
• 37:30
  Speaker 7: gives them a bid and he accepts it, the Nuggets
• 37:33
  Speaker 7: can match that. So they're waiting for it now. The
• 37:36
  Speaker 7: problem is what about hurt feelings. I know it sounds
• 37:39
  Speaker 7: weird singing in the NBA or professional sports, there's no
• 37:42
  Speaker 7: hurt feeling. These guys are professional. But the answer is yeah,
• 37:45
  Speaker 7: so that if they do resign them for less of money,
• 37:51
  Speaker 7: is that what's his mental part of it? As far
• 37:53
  Speaker 7: as them going forward? And it's an unbelievable balancing act.
• 37:57
  Speaker 7: There's three guys out there showing right now with the
• 38:00
  Speaker 7: they're out there. They're all restricted free agents, they're all
• 38:02
  Speaker 7: good players. All three parent teams want them on their team.
• 38:06
  Speaker 7: But there's certain economics of it. Besides Peyton Watson of
• 38:09
  Speaker 7: the Devin Nuggets, that's also Jail Durham of the Pistons
• 38:13
  Speaker 7: and Benedict Matherin of the Clippers, And so it's a
• 38:17
  Speaker 7: wait and see game from the player's point of view.
• 38:19
  Speaker 7: Are you kidding me? Sign me right now, or I
• 38:23
  Speaker 7: want out of here, And that might happen, but not
• 38:26
  Speaker 7: at that point yet. Usually speaking, it's during the month
• 38:29
  Speaker 7: of August it gets much more serious negotiation. Up to
• 38:32
  Speaker 7: that point, everybody's talking friendly. Later on about a month
• 38:35
  Speaker 7: from now. It's not sooner people are going to act
• 38:38
  Speaker 7: on it as far as either signing trade or enough
• 38:41
  Speaker 7: is enough, Well, we'll sign you to our terms, not
• 38:46
  Speaker 7: your term, because there's no offer on the player.
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: Victor Weimanyama is getting his own signature shoe line with Nike,
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: a big extension with him at Nike. We're gonna have
• 38:59
  Speaker 3: to buy some of these shoes. You know, me and
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: you we both talk about Wemby pretty much every time.
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: It feels like it's appropriate that we have the shoes.
• 39:05
  Speaker 7: You know, oh very much, absolutely and Wemby Nike. He's
• 39:10
  Speaker 7: the face of the franchise globally see globally because he's
• 39:15
  Speaker 7: an iconic figure. Ready, let's not forget he's only twenty
• 39:18
  Speaker 7: two years old. This is the most amazing thing he'll turn.
• 39:22
  Speaker 7: He'll turn twenty three on next January fourth of twenty
• 39:27
  Speaker 7: twenty seven. And that's how young this guy is. And
• 39:31
  Speaker 7: so Nike knows that the Olympics are coming up in
• 39:34
  Speaker 7: La in twenty twenty eight, France is going to be
• 39:37
  Speaker 7: a major player as far as all sports, especially in basketball,
• 39:43
  Speaker 7: and they want Wemby to be locked up for many
• 39:45
  Speaker 7: many years in their signative shoe. That approach. Even though
• 39:50
  Speaker 7: everyone loves Wemby, his shoe is so big as far
• 39:54
  Speaker 7: as a large foot that people can't relate to it.
• 39:57
  Speaker 7: So it's almost like step Curvey's the perfect guy that'd
• 40:00
  Speaker 7: be a shoe contractor because people can relate to him
• 40:03
  Speaker 7: because he's he's smaller status And the only player that
• 40:06
  Speaker 7: ever made that ever made money as far from a
• 40:09
  Speaker 7: company standpoint on a sneaker basically was Michael Jordan. It's
• 40:13
  Speaker 7: gonna be probably two players, Michael Jordan and also Lebron
• 40:16
  Speaker 7: James as far as Nike making money on them versus
• 40:21
  Speaker 7: the player making all the money.
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: Gordon Jaz For another minute or two here on the
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: Sean O'Connell show. Another report out there has Wenby hosting
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: most of the San Antonio Spurs, kind of all the
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: staple players with the Spurs in France for some informal
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: team workouts. And I mean, was this common practice. Is
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: this common practice? And going back to your coaching days,
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: is this something that you saw guys doing where they'd
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: fly teammates in and put him up somewhere and hey,
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: let's get a good run. Obviously it's international now and
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: this is a headline because it's France. But with these
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: guys getting together in a more formal pattern in the
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: off season, yeah, very much.
• 41:02
  Speaker 7: Answers in team building and also as far as the workouts,
• 41:06
  Speaker 7: and usually speaking, there's no coaches involved. There might be
• 41:10
  Speaker 7: only say one will say trainer as far as athletic
• 41:14
  Speaker 7: trainer in case of injury. So it's organized unorganized as
• 41:19
  Speaker 7: far as run by either Wenby or quote the captain's.
• 41:23
  Speaker 7: Next part of it is that the players make so
• 41:26
  Speaker 7: much money, say Wemby type people, they can fly their
• 41:30
  Speaker 7: teammates in as far as on their course because you
• 41:33
  Speaker 7: know they're making so much money. Usually speaking, when you
• 41:36
  Speaker 7: stay in the States domestically, there's always workouts in California,
• 41:40
  Speaker 7: usually this month's early September before they go to training camp,
• 41:45
  Speaker 7: and they try to reinforce the team values of what
• 41:48
  Speaker 7: it's going to take for the for the season to
• 41:51
  Speaker 7: be successful, and also the mental focus of it as
• 41:55
  Speaker 7: far as the quote the grind, So it does happen
• 41:58
  Speaker 7: usually in Californi one year. Now it's more globally for
• 42:01
  Speaker 7: the players. It's like some of the players now went
• 42:04
  Speaker 7: to Slovenia also with Luca Luka Dantic and so that's
• 42:09
  Speaker 7: how we've emerged as far as truly a global sport.
• 42:12
  Speaker 7: Let's point about that most times when you're a single guy,
• 42:16
  Speaker 7: you're not married, and you don't have any young children
• 42:19
  Speaker 7: because most with the players that will say this a
• 42:23
  Speaker 7: lack of better word, early thirties, thirty something years old,
• 42:26
  Speaker 7: most of those people might have children that are entering
• 42:29
  Speaker 7: school usually most times in most states sometime in August.
• 42:34
  Speaker 7: So they're not going to overseas because they know that
• 42:39
  Speaker 7: when practice starts is that it's going to be a
• 42:41
  Speaker 7: humble practice starts in the NBA shown on Tuesday, September
• 42:46
  Speaker 7: twenty ninth, and so they know that, so they're going
• 42:48
  Speaker 7: to spend as much time as they can with their
• 42:50
  Speaker 7: young families versus going to go work out in a
• 42:53
  Speaker 7: foreign country.
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: Gordy, how does marriage change NBA players?
• 43:00
  Speaker 4: It does, Dwight.
• 43:02
  Speaker 7: No answer is showing absolutely. Look it changed you look
• 43:05
  Speaker 7: at for example, changed you. It changed change peace and
• 43:09
  Speaker 7: a trusted ally look at you, guys said, though it
• 43:13
  Speaker 7: does speak again, I know there's always there's always an outlier.
• 43:19
  Speaker 7: I get it. But most times when you get married,
• 43:23
  Speaker 7: you're not being naive Sean. Is that you have a different,
• 43:27
  Speaker 7: slightly lifestyle. You probably are home war which is good,
• 43:32
  Speaker 7: and you probably generally speaking because if you're a partnership
• 43:37
  Speaker 7: with hey or she, whoever it is, is that you
• 43:40
  Speaker 7: look at the you do the world differently, and you
• 43:43
  Speaker 7: have somebody right next to you through all your ups
• 43:46
  Speaker 7: and downs of being an NBA or NFL player, because
• 43:51
  Speaker 7: we know it's not a perfect thing where there's so
• 43:53
  Speaker 7: many there's so many good moments, and that's a good
• 43:57
  Speaker 7: moments that your partner or your sort of and other
• 44:00
  Speaker 7: it's going to help you get through those moments mentally
• 44:04
  Speaker 7: and physically. So I'm all for it.
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: How much of Donovan Mitchell's now Wife's music have you
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: listened to? Coco Jones R and B. A Grammy Award
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: winner and the Grammy Award nominee multiple times over.
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: I haven't listened to a lot of Coco Jones.
• 44:23
  Speaker 7: I don't think no, I have not, But I'm familiar
• 44:26
  Speaker 7: with it though old kidding his start. I really am so.
• 44:28
  Speaker 7: I know she is, but I have not listened to
• 44:31
  Speaker 7: her recently. But but Donovan again, he's thirty years old,
• 44:34
  Speaker 7: Donovan Mitchell, and so it's good for him. He'll probably
• 44:37
  Speaker 7: as good as he is right now. He'll play better now.
• 44:40
  Speaker 7: The problem with a marriage of that magnitude is that
• 44:44
  Speaker 7: both people usually on both different coasts. One's going to
• 44:48
  Speaker 7: be an East coast, one's going to be, generally speaking,
• 44:51
  Speaker 7: on the West coast, probably in Hollywood. Now, speaking of
• 44:54
  Speaker 7: Dovid Mitchell for the listeners, he got married this past
• 44:57
  Speaker 7: weekend in Greenwich, Connecticut, and all his teammates were there,
• 45:02
  Speaker 7: as far as the Cavaliers. But also shown was there,
• 45:06
  Speaker 7: I know, Seowan, you you love this stuff? There, Matta
• 45:09
  Speaker 7: Battle was there of the heat, Jalen Brunson and Josh
• 45:11
  Speaker 7: Hart of the hated New York Knickerbockers meaning the Cavs
• 45:16
  Speaker 7: rival and Jealen Brown. Now the seventy six is they
• 45:19
  Speaker 7: were all there celebrating Donovan's new marriage. So, Sean, the
• 45:24
  Speaker 7: plot sickens.
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: Gordy, what's your list today?
• 45:29
  Speaker 7: My list today, Sewan, is absolutely a short list. There's
• 45:33
  Speaker 7: only eight people on this list, and this is so
• 45:36
  Speaker 7: unbelievable as far as it's almost impossible to do. Here
• 45:41
  Speaker 7: we go players who have won an Olympic gold medal,
• 45:46
  Speaker 7: an NBA title, and an NCAA championship, So the trifector
• 45:53
  Speaker 7: only eight people have done it all time. Number eight
• 45:56
  Speaker 7: Creide Lavelle Helsinki in nineteen fifty two, Boston Celtics, two
• 46:03
  Speaker 7: championships and one NCAA Championship at Kansas University. Number seven
• 46:08
  Speaker 7: Quinn Buckner Olympics, Montreal nineteen seventy six gold Boston Celtics
• 46:13
  Speaker 7: eighty four and the University nineteen seventy six NCAA Championships.
• 46:18
  Speaker 7: Number six Jerry Lucas Rome, Italy nineteen sixty, New York
• 46:23
  Speaker 7: Knicks nineteen seventy three, Ohio State nineteen sixty. Casey Jones
• 46:29
  Speaker 7: mil Point Olympics nineteen fifty six, Boston Celtics eight titles,
• 46:34
  Speaker 7: University of San Francisco two NCAA Championships nineteen fifty five
• 46:39
  Speaker 7: and fifty six. Number number four his trusted teammate of
• 46:44
  Speaker 7: all time, Bill Russell, Milpoint Olympics gold medal fifty six,
• 46:49
  Speaker 7: Boston Celtics eleven times in thirteen years University of San Francisco.
• 46:55
  Speaker 7: Two NCAA titles fifty five fifty six, three Anthony Davis
• 47:01
  Speaker 7: twenty twelve, London Olympics, LA Lakers one championship, Kentucky one
• 47:06
  Speaker 7: Championship twenty twelve, Number two, Magic Johnson nineteen ninety two, Barcelona,
• 47:14
  Speaker 7: Spain Olympics, LA Lakers, five championships Michigan State nineteen seventy nine,
• 47:20
  Speaker 7: NCAA title, number one, Michael Jordan two gold medals, eighty
• 47:26
  Speaker 7: four in LA ninety two in Barcelona, six championships with
• 47:31
  Speaker 7: the Celtics, and Runwick North Counta Tallheills in nineteen eighty two.
• 47:36
  Speaker 7: That's it eight players, but Shawn is one more guy
• 47:40
  Speaker 7: left out purposely because possibly he could do this. Jellen
• 47:45
  Speaker 7: Brunson NBA title, Knicks twenty twenty six, n OVER title
• 47:53
  Speaker 7: twenty and sixteen and made the Olympic goals Shawn possibly
• 47:58
  Speaker 7: in twenty twenty eight if one they won it and
• 48:01
  Speaker 7: two gets selected.
• 48:02
  Speaker 6: To be a member.
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: That is Gordy Chase's list of the day here on
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: ESPN seven.
• 48:15
  Speaker 3: Gordy, I always appreciate your time and your expertise, my friend,
• 48:18
  Speaker 3: thank you and showing one.
• 48:20
  Speaker 7: Thing about it. I'm sure happy that you're married.
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: Me too, Gordy. I'm still a mess. Put on, I'm
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: still a mess, but imagine what more a mess I
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: would be if not for that. Oh my yikes, Okay, yikes,
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: you're the man, Gordy.
• 48:36
  Speaker 7: Thank you, thanks showing peace out.
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: Uh, Victor Wimbinyama new logo, new shoe deal coming out.
• 48:47
  Speaker 3: No images of the shoe are available yet, but Gordy's
• 48:51
  Speaker 3: absolutely right. You basically have to have somebody else model
• 48:56
  Speaker 3: the shoe because the size twenty two version of it
• 48:59
  Speaker 3: is gonna look weird?
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: Is that why Shack was never a big shoe mogul.
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: He's been so successful at everything else, right he has?
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: He had a Shack brand so shoe. Do you know
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: the story behind Shack shoes?
• 49:12
  Speaker 4: No?
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: So Shaq initially had a rebox shoe. If I'm not mistaken,
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: I believe it was Rebok.
• 49:18
  Speaker 8: And his.
• 49:23
  Speaker 3: His deal would have been like a regular normal whatever
• 49:26
  Speaker 3: ten twenty million dollars at that time, lucrative deal, and
• 49:30
  Speaker 3: he uh, he had a signature shoe. I think there
• 49:33
  Speaker 3: were the big like black and white kind of like
• 49:35
  Speaker 3: stripes on him, if I'm not mistaken. And a mom
• 49:39
  Speaker 3: came up to him.
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: In like I don't know, Walmart or something and berated
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: him and was just like, what are you doing?
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: These shoes are one hundred and twenty dollars. Nobody can
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: afford hundred and twenty dollars shoes.
• 49:54
  Speaker 3: What are you doing? And he took it to heart.
• 49:57
  Speaker 3: He was like, oh man, I'm really sorry. So he
• 50:00
  Speaker 3: went back to I believe Reebok. If I'm not mistaken,
• 50:03
  Speaker 3: I could just look it up, but instead I'm speculating here.
• 50:06
  Speaker 3: You're spot on about the black and white. They call
• 50:09
  Speaker 3: them shaknosis Yeah all right, Reebahawk like yeah, okay, right,
• 50:13
  Speaker 3: and they were and if I'm not mistaken to hear
• 50:17
  Speaker 3: shack tell and I think he went back to Rebok.
• 50:20
  Speaker 3: It was just like, guys, I can't do it. We're done,
• 50:23
  Speaker 3: Like you could have the money back, you don't have
• 50:26
  Speaker 3: to make the shoes anymore. And so then he went
• 50:30
  Speaker 3: and manufactured his own shack shoe that it was like
• 50:34
  Speaker 3: fifty dollars or less for low income families, and you
• 50:39
  Speaker 3: could find these shoes in like payless Walmart.
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and he sold bunches and bunches of these shoes.
• 50:46
  Speaker 3: But he deliberately like sacrificed the cool factor of being
• 50:49
  Speaker 3: partnered with Reebok or Night sacrificed.
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: He shackrificed, James Ding.
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: That was a good one, though, I do I do
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: remember this story being told now, oh see, and after
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: you started talking about it, like, oh yeah he was
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: he felt bad about how much they cost for whatever reason,
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: and made made a more affordable shoe. I had a
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: pair of shack shoes from or from Walmart at one
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: at one time with the with the power dunk looking
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: like he's gonna tear off the backboard.
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: It's exactly.
• 51:22
  Speaker 3: It was like a logo instead of the Jumpman silhouette.
• 51:25
  Speaker 3: It was like the shack ripping down a backboard type silhouette. Yeah,
• 51:29
  Speaker 3: and yeah, he that was that was why he did it.
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: Do you remember Stefan Marbury did the same kind of
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: thing with the starb I had a pair of starberries.
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: I had all the starberries because they were fifteen dollars. Yeah,
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: I had the red, white, and blue whatever berries.
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: And I ended up I end up not. I didn't
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: have him for very long.
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: It was probably like a year, like maybe four months
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: in I had a hole in the bottom of my
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: shoe because they were that they were not only that affordable,
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: they were also apparently that cheaply made.
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: Shout out to the Starburry shoes.
• 52:03
  Speaker 3: Did you hear when someone made fun of him for
• 52:05
  Speaker 3: his fifth like twenty dollars shoes or whatever? His response was,
• 52:09
  Speaker 3: how many pairs of how many pairs of Kobe's you.
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: Think got sold?
• 52:14
  Speaker 5: A lot?
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: And it's a lot to fun.
• 52:16
  Speaker 3: He's like, how many how many pairs of Starberries you
• 52:18
  Speaker 3: think got sold? And of course people are like the
• 52:21
  Speaker 3: American context, it's like, oh, I don't know he sold
• 52:24
  Speaker 3: a billion pairs of Starberry shoes in China.
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because he had like a post nice post NBA
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: career in China, like league MVP career in China. Yeah,
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: that's that's like cheating though. Starberry like steven Berry's, that's
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: that was the name in America that he sold four
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: million pair. I was, I was one of those pairs,
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: one of the one of the fort That store was
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: so hard to understand. When it opened like three locations,
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: everything in there was five dollars and then they close
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: was like a year later.
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah. It was like I think I bought mine in
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: San Diego. Yeah, I yeah, they were vacationed in San Diego.
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: I found myself in a Stephen Berry's and they were
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: foursome starberries fourteen dollars and ninety eight cents for those shoes.
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: Love it all right? We got to take a break here.
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: We have a James tell me what to do here
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: on timing?
• 53:26
  Speaker 3: Should we double up here or should we take a
• 53:29
  Speaker 3: real quick one with a junk mail update.
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: Let's do the junk mail update.
• 53:33
  Speaker 3: Junk mail Next, it's the Seat O'Connell Show, ESPN seven
• 53:36
  Speaker 3: hundred and ninety twoe FM.
• 53:41
  Speaker 5: You were listening to the Sean O'Connell Show from a
• 53:43
  Speaker 5: Murdoch Hungay studio of ESPN seven hundred and ninety two
• 53:48
  Speaker 5: one half.
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: M all right, we'll talk a little Big twelve football
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: to start hour number two with James Westling from Big
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: twelve Radio. That's coming, but a little junk mail update.
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: Devin dam Pier and way Sean Parker have been named
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: for the Maxwell Award watch list. The Maxwell Football Club
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: announced today.
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: All Right.
• 54:21
  Speaker 3: Damp Pierre Big twelve Offensive Newcomer of the Year last year,
• 54:24
  Speaker 3: Third Tea Mall Conference, a Manning Award finalist in twenty
• 54:28
  Speaker 3: twenty five, twenty one and eighty yards twenty two touchdowns
• 54:32
  Speaker 3: to go with six hundred and eighty seven yards on
• 54:34
  Speaker 3: the ground and seven touchdowns there. He was also the
• 54:40
  Speaker 3: Vegas Bowl MVP one hundred and forty eight yards and
• 54:43
  Speaker 3: three touchdowns nineteen to thirty one for three ten and
• 54:47
  Speaker 3: two more scores as Utah beat Nebraska forty four to
• 54:51
  Speaker 3: twenty two. Was Sean Parker also third team Mall Conference
• 54:55
  Speaker 3: last year, and as we have lamented many times, he
• 54:58
  Speaker 3: was just shy. He was nineteen yard shive one thousand
• 55:01
  Speaker 3: yard season. He had six six touchdowns, one hundred and
• 55:05
  Speaker 3: forty nine carries. He averaged six yards of carries, so
• 55:10
  Speaker 3: three more carries and he would have been a thousand,
• 55:13
  Speaker 3: thousand yard rushers. So Maxwell Award will be announced November tenth.
• 55:19
  Speaker 3: Finalists will be unveiled November. Oh, sorry, semi finalists will
• 55:24
  Speaker 3: be November tenth. Finalists will be November twenty fourth, and
• 55:28
  Speaker 3: the winner will be announced on December tenth. So good
• 55:32
  Speaker 3: to see a couple of utes on the Maxwell Award
• 55:34
  Speaker 3: watch list. We do love a good watch list season,
• 55:37
  Speaker 3: where especially the Rimington Award for centers. Literally any returning
• 55:45
  Speaker 3: center in the country is put on their watch list.
• 55:48
  Speaker 3: I can't remember if it was last year or the
• 55:50
  Speaker 3: year before that, but there were seventy centers that were
• 55:53
  Speaker 3: put on the preseason watch list.
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: Of seventy, that's more than there are power for schools.
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: Oh hold on, are you saying that only power for
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: players deserve to be deserved to be on watch lists?
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: Oh see, geez. I was just saying that.
• 56:10
  Speaker 3: It means they're really going down the rabbit hole, and
• 56:12
  Speaker 3: they're just like, yes, Okay, the sure Wyoming center deserves
• 56:17
  Speaker 3: to be on the he might actually win this award.
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: He's gonna be on the watch list. I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: Sean O'Connell hates the Utah State Aggies. Aggies fans.
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: Very sorry. Uh Aggie's, by the way, begin fall camp
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: on Wednesday, shout out. They've got Bronco. They've got a
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: healthy team this year.
• 56:38
  Speaker 3: They were really really worn down by some late season
• 56:42
  Speaker 3: injuries last year. I said, I should say going in
• 56:45
  Speaker 3: late season injuries two years ago. Uh so when they
• 56:49
  Speaker 3: started camp they were already kind of like the walking
• 56:51
  Speaker 3: wounded a little bit. They had some spring ball injuries,
• 56:54
  Speaker 3: they had some late season injuries. This year, the team's healthier,
• 56:58
  Speaker 3: so knock on wood. It is a tough league. The
• 57:02
  Speaker 3: new PAC twelve, the reconstituted PAC twelve, Oregon State, Washington State,
• 57:07
  Speaker 3: Boise State, Fresno State, all the states, all.
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: The states, Mississippi State soon to join them, no doubt.
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: North Dakota State, Charlton State.
• 57:20
  Speaker 7: Uh so.
• 57:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, shout out to the Aggies out there. McKay Hillstead
• 57:24
  Speaker 3: being disrespected. Remember the athletic did their their list of
• 57:30
  Speaker 3: all one hundred and thirty eight or whatever it was
• 57:32
  Speaker 3: starting quarterbacks in Division one football and they had him
• 57:35
  Speaker 3: at like one twenty five.
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, uh huh.
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: Obviously turnover at the offensive coordinator position. We know about
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: that because it was Kevin mcgiven so. But experienced quarterback
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: feel pretty good about the Aggies fall camp starting Wednesday.
• 57:54
  Speaker 3: The Aggies start their season with Idaho State. That'll be
• 57:58
  Speaker 3: September fifth, then Washington, then Utah, then Troy. You get
• 58:06
  Speaker 3: Troy at home.
• 58:08
  Speaker 6: Man.
• 58:10
  Speaker 3: Their first conference game is a trip to Boise State,
• 58:16
  Speaker 3: and then they got Washington State, and then it's Texas State.
• 58:22
  Speaker 3: So if they can get to the end of October
• 58:25
  Speaker 3: sitting around five hundred, Utah.
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: State's gonna be in really good shape.
• 58:30
  Speaker 3: They've got Utah, Boise State, and Washington State all in
• 58:34
  Speaker 3: the first half.
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: To go with Washington. That's tough, Yeah, that is tough.
• 58:39
  Speaker 2: On aside, here, should the pack the new PAC twelve's
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: new motto instead of Conference A Champions, should it just
• 58:46
  Speaker 2: be ghost state? You know what they should call themselves,
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: the State twelve Conference, the State twelve, the twelve State Conference.
• 58:54
  Speaker 3: How many states are actually in it? Let's find that out,
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  Speaker 1: All right, you tugh football back in camp today.
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  Speaker 3: There are a couple of days before a lot of
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  Speaker 3: teams because of course they open their season on a
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  Speaker 3: Thursday night. Where are they going to fit in to
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  Speaker 3: the Big twelve conference? Will the schedule be as friendly
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  Speaker 3: as we think it is? James Westling of Big twelve
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  Speaker 3: Radio kind enough to join us to talk about that
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  Speaker 3: and much more. James, Welcome to the show.
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  Speaker 1: How are you, guys?
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  Speaker 6: I am fantastic. Thank you so much for allowing me
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 6: to be a part of what you guys do on
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  Speaker 6: a daily basis. Super pumped for the season. We are
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 6: officially in the month of August and week zero is
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 6: hearing about twenty six days, so I am fired up
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 6: for some college football. I'm so over talking about bills
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 6: and court cases. I'm ready for these teams to finally
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 6: take the field.
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  Speaker 3: We've learned this in the last several years, like going
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 3: all the way back to really kind of the COVID mess.
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  Speaker 3: When you're just you're speculating, you're wondering, you're talking about
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 3: all these weird motions and courts and contact train singing
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  Speaker 3: all that stuff back in those days at least, And
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  Speaker 3: then football shows up and you're like, ah, this is
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  Speaker 3: why we love it, this is the reason that we
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  Speaker 3: got into this in the first place. And I'm I'm
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  Speaker 3: eager for the same thing, James, because right now the
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  Speaker 3: off season there is no off season really in college
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  Speaker 3: sports anymore. But the off season is dominated by those
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 3: things you're talking about, by the changes that are happening,
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  Speaker 3: or the changes that are being prevented from happening, or
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 3: the you know, the nil stuff or heyes, this guy
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  Speaker 3: have another year of eligibility, and it really pulls.
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  Speaker 1: Away from our love of the sport.
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  Speaker 3: But then we get to fall and we get to
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  Speaker 3: football and it is football again, and it's just like, oh, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: these kids are paid, but they're still playing like they
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  Speaker 3: played when they were you know, not when they were
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  Speaker 3: just getting scholarships. And it's a I think for me,
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  Speaker 3: it's a meaningful reminder that it's still the sport that
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  Speaker 3: we want it to be, even if all the stuff
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  Speaker 3: around it gets pretty ugly.
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  Speaker 6: Totally agree, and I think that that narrative can be
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  Speaker 6: pushed even stronger than some of the television partners and
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  Speaker 6: I think in this age of social media, everything's just
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  Speaker 6: clickabait for lack of a better term. Like I remember
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  Speaker 6: when I was growing up, the off season meant list season,
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  Speaker 6: it meant potential depth chart, position battles, it meant injury updates,
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  Speaker 6: and it meant recruiting. And then it was always the
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  Speaker 6: hypothetical what if game, And I loved that game. I
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  Speaker 6: loved looking at an upcoming schedule and thinking about the
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  Speaker 6: floor and the ceiling and the backup quarterback or the
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  Speaker 6: highly touted running back that didn't get on the field
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  Speaker 6: much as a freshman but has four or four speed
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  Speaker 6: and all the things that you'd hear through the grapevine,
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  Speaker 6: like that is what used to drive the college football offseason,
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  Speaker 6: and now it's all that other stuff you were talking about.
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  Speaker 6: So once the game's kick off, I do think that
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  Speaker 6: fans will will kind of reignite that passion. And that's
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  Speaker 6: what excites me. That's what excites me about all sixteen
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  Speaker 6: member institutions in the Big Twelve. It's what excites me
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  Speaker 6: about all the high profile non conference matchups for the
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  Speaker 6: Big Twelve, because that's going to be huge in terms
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  Speaker 6: of the big picture. The narrative the league pedigree. Ultimately,
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  Speaker 6: this is only year three of this sixteen member institution conference,
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  Speaker 6: and two years ago the Big Twelve was horrendous in
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  Speaker 6: the NOD Conference. Last year the league was slightly better,
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  Speaker 6: and it jumped the ACC as being the third best
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  Speaker 6: conference in college football. All the data, all the non
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  Speaker 6: conference games when these leagues are actually playing one another
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  Speaker 6: versus when they're in league action said a lot to
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  Speaker 6: me about just how dominant each conference is. And the
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  Speaker 6: Big Twelve held its own last year. So I'm excited
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  Speaker 6: to see what year three brings for the league as
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  Speaker 6: a whole. When you have teams like Utah playing Arkansas,
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  Speaker 6: and you have other high profile matchups like in Arizona
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  Speaker 6: State and A Texas A and m A BYU notretame
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  Speaker 6: like that to me is what will move the needle
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  Speaker 6: for the Big Twelve as a whole.
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  Speaker 3: Well, you, like all of us, probably had to do
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  Speaker 3: a little bit more work on Utah football as in
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  Speaker 3: terms of developing expectations, because for twenty one years we
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  Speaker 3: got to kind of be like, all right, we know
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  Speaker 3: what to expect. Solid defense, going to run the ball
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  Speaker 3: a bunch, this is what Kyle Whittingham does. Let's see
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  Speaker 3: who's got a quarterback, Let's see who his coordinator is.
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  Speaker 3: But you know, there were fewer questions to answer, seemingly
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  Speaker 3: for two decades at Utah football than there are heading
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  Speaker 3: into this year Morgan Scalley's first year, as you're well aware,
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  Speaker 3: got some continuity back at the most important position and quarterback,
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  Speaker 3: but a lot of changes everywhere else. So as you
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  Speaker 3: take a look outside in at this Utah football program,
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  Speaker 3: knowing that the schedule is as soft as you could
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  Speaker 3: ask for in this Big Twelve conference, what are your expectations?
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  Speaker 3: What do you think is the storyline for the Utah
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  Speaker 3: football season?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, Utah is really a case study for me in
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  Speaker 6: comparison to everybody in this league because they're unique in
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  Speaker 6: that they have a first year head coach, but he's
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  Speaker 6: a guy that's been on staff for nearly two decades.
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  Speaker 6: You have to replace two NFL offensive linemen, they're the
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  Speaker 6: only school in the Big Twelve that has had two
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  Speaker 6: first round offensive linemen drafted since the early twenty tens,
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  Speaker 6: and you have to replace five starters up front. So
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  Speaker 6: I would say it's different in that last season Devin
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  Speaker 6: dan pire Is walking in is like the missing puzzle
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  Speaker 6: piece right, you have this dominant offensive line, you have
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  Speaker 6: a whole plethora of running backs, you have this hidden
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  Speaker 6: weapon in Bird Fickland, who's a lightning rod and I
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  Speaker 6: think one of the best backup quarterbacks in the country.
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  Speaker 6: And you have some receivers who are solidified, albeit probably
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  Speaker 6: not elite. Then you have a dominant defense like that
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  Speaker 6: was the Utah summary going into last season. Now it's
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  Speaker 6: completely You have a bunch of really exciting, prolific receivers
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  Speaker 6: that are unproven at this level. Then you have five
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  Speaker 6: new offensive linemen with tremendous upside, including the highest rated
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  Speaker 6: recruits in Utah history and obot So you have a
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  Speaker 6: lot of question marks there, but your quarterback and your
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  Speaker 6: running back combo is as good as anybody in the conference.
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  Speaker 6: And then defensively, I'm sure there's a lot of guys
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  Speaker 6: that have been in the program that in the past
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  Speaker 6: you just kind of knew would take the next step forward,
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  Speaker 6: but they haven't done it under Morgan scouting, and a
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  Speaker 6: lot of guys transferred out, which is very un Utah like.
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  Speaker 6: So I think in terms of the friendliness of the schedule,
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  Speaker 6: as you alluded to, which to me is the number
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  Speaker 6: one strength that Utah has going for it. I could
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  Speaker 6: see Utah being a double digit win football team and
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  Speaker 6: competing for a Big twelve championship. I could also if
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  Speaker 6: the offensive line doesn't gel, if the defense takes a
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  Speaker 6: step back, if Devin dan Pierre regresses because he doesn't
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  Speaker 6: have all that time to drop back in the pocket
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  Speaker 6: behind two NFL offensive cackles and he kind of gets
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 6: a little turnover prone at least compared to how elite
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  Speaker 6: he was last year with his efficiency, then I could
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  Speaker 6: see Utah dropping down to a six, seven, eight win
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  Speaker 6: football team. So they're interesting to me because I think
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  Speaker 6: they have a really high ceiling. They don't have a
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  Speaker 6: lower floor than a lot of other teams in the league,
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  Speaker 6: but they do have on Utah like a lot of
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  Speaker 6: question marks. I would say coming into this year.
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  Speaker 3: You alluded to one of them, and I started the
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  Speaker 3: show today saying, because as camp begins, I want to
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  Speaker 3: know what the listeners with the fans are, like, Okay,
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 3: what position battle most intrigues these people in a new era?
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 3: And you mentioned Kelvin Obot and my big question is
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 3: can he crack the starting lineup because he should right
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 3: highest rate or recruit in program history. As you already mentioned,
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  Speaker 3: he got a nice nil package, which while it maybe
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  Speaker 3: shouldn't matter, it does. And you're replacing five starters.
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  Speaker 2: So even if he's not going to be your left tackle,
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  Speaker 2: which I think is his eventual future in this program
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  Speaker 2: as a true freshman, he seems like the kind of
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  Speaker 2: body that you have to get out there.
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  Speaker 1: What's your thinking on that?
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  Speaker 3: And look, I know that you know a first year
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 3: head coach in that position in Jordan Gross, who knows
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 3: the kid very well.
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  Speaker 1: That might affect things one way or another.
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  Speaker 3: But I look at this and I see what other
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  Speaker 3: schools do with their five stars, and what schools in
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  Speaker 3: Utah's position who doesn't get five stars very often do
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 3: with their five stars. And you try to get him
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  Speaker 3: on the field as much as you can. Do you
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  Speaker 3: think we see Kelvin Obot in the starting lineup even
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  Speaker 3: week one.
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  Speaker 6: I don't know that I project him as a week
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  Speaker 6: one starter, but I do think he will be a
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  Speaker 6: heavy part of the rotation. And part of that is
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  Speaker 6: the fact that, just a personal preference of mine, I
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  Speaker 6: am very hesitant to lock in eighteen year old offensive
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  Speaker 6: tackles or even offensive lineman. I think is a position
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  Speaker 6: that you have to develop into, and it does happen occasionally,
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  Speaker 6: but it happens at programs that don't have the success
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 6: and the pedigree of a Utah. When it comes to
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 6: offensive line play, Jordan Seaton stepped in and started day
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 6: one at Colorado. Well, Colorado was mess offensively. They couldn't
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  Speaker 6: run the ball. They haven't been able to run the
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 6: ball for back to back seasons. And while Seaton individually
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 6: graded out very well as an eighteen year old, he
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 6: was kind of an outlier. You look at other programs
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  Speaker 6: around the country that don't necessarily land five star prospects
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  Speaker 6: on a regular basis. Others in this league. I would
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 6: look at Kansas State, who had a five star tight
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 6: end that everybody thought would start day one last year
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  Speaker 6: and he barely cracked the rotation. I would lean on
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 6: like Zaraway Williams. I think is a guy with a
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 6: tremendous upside, even though he hasn't been on the field
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 6: a ton. He's a former basketball player, so you know
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 6: he's incredibly app and has good footwork. I look at
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 6: Cedric Jefferson on the other side of that tackle position,
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 6: a transfer that I really like for the youths so
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 6: do I think an eighteen year old could be ready
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  Speaker 6: to go day one? I mean, I never thought we'd
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 6: see like true freshman wide receivers do what they've done
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 6: on the national level, like Jeremiah Smith and Ryan Williams.
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 6: Like that was so foreign to me to see Alabama's
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 6: leading receiver a seventeen year old kid who's barely six foot,
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 6: like one hundred and sixty pounds, soaking wet so the game.
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 6: My point in saying that is college football's kind of
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 6: entered into this expect the unexpected era. So I shouldn't
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 6: be shocked if he's starting day one, but just historically
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 6: it's it's pretty rare. It's rare all over the country
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  Speaker 6: for these true freshman offensive linemen to be plug and
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 6: play starters and ready in their initial season Week one.
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 3: The The Utah listener is probably not going to like
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 3: this next part, even though we're the home of the Utes,
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  Speaker 3: because I think BYU is in a really, really interesting
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  Speaker 3: position this year. They also have a friendly schedule, They
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 3: bring back a lot more of their production than Utah
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 3: does from last year. They lost their defensive coordinator who
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 3: is massively important to that team, but they replace him
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 3: with a guy who's been in the fold for a
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 3: long time in Provo, and you know your quarterback's back,
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 3: Offensive Player of the year, running back is back. You
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 3: have multiple starters on both sides of the ball returning,
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 3: and you were really, really good last year. I have
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 3: said it, and BYU fans don't like to hear me
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 3: say this. I've said, if you're not gonna win it
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 3: this year, when are you going to win it? Because man,
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 3: it's really shaping up pretty nicely for you. How do
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 3: you feel about the koops?
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  Speaker 6: So? I like the EYU a lot. When we did
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 6: our preseason Big twelve Radio consensus poll, I did not
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 6: have BYU as the preseason favorite in the league. I
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 6: still think that title belongs to Texas Tech. My co
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 6: host disagreed, and I felt like put together a strong
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 6: case for BYU. But I do have some concerns. I
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 6: don't think that they're bulletproof by any means. They've got
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 6: a really sneaky game October third at TCU. They have
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 6: to play Notre Dame. We know how good Notre Dame
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 6: is going to be, and then they play Utah on
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 6: the road in Salt Lake City. There hasn't been a
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 6: team win fo in a row in this series since
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 6: what the early to mid eighties, and that is a
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 6: total coin flip game for me, just like it's been
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 6: the last two or three years. So BYU I think
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 6: has the more difficult schedule if I'm even comparing, just
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 6: BYU had to head with Utah. And then I'm concerned
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 6: about the long term durability of LJ. Martin. LJ Martin,
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 6: remember he got knocked out last year in the Iowa
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 6: State Game. He wasn't the same after that. He had
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 6: offseason shoulder surgery. Like that is an injury that it
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 6: just takes one pop on that shoulder and it can
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 6: be a major setback. And then who are going to
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 6: be the playmakers at wide receiver? Jojo Phillips, I know
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 6: they're really high on Klanie. Sataki told us at media
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 6: day that he's not concerned at all about the wide
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 6: receiver position. But again, they have a unique dynamic this
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 6: year because last year it was those receivers in that
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 6: ground game that was kind of helping bear Bachmeyer along.
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  Speaker 6: This year it's the total inverse. This year, it's going
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 6: to be bear Backmeyer, who's now the season's veteran, even
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 6: though he's only in year two trying to bring along
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 6: those wide receivers to get on his level. I think
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  Speaker 6: defensively they're going to be rock solid, but offensively, I
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 6: do still think that for them to take the next step,
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 6: they need more explosive plays. Bear Backmeyer's passing numbers, like
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 6: all of his metrics on throws beyond ten or fifteen
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 6: yards were very mediocre at best, So he needs to
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 6: improve in that aspect of his game. So there are
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 6: questions in March for them as well that I do
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 6: think are maybe being a little bit overlooked at this
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 6: stage heading into the season.
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  Speaker 1: There's BYU Texas Tech.
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  Speaker 3: I think is like you said, the kind of consensus
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 3: for most people is the preseason favorite. Some folks have
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 3: Utah on that same tier, A lot have Utah maybe
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 3: one tier below. And if it's for the purpose of
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 3: this conversation, if it's those top three definitively around the
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 3: top of the power pol who else deserves to be mentioned?
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 3: Who else deserves to be in this conversation because I
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 3: don't think there's a big fall off really to even
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 3: the middle of the league. But is it Arizona that
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 3: can actually threaten TCU can hang around. Is it Houston
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 3: like a lot of people think it might be, who
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 3: is the other team or teams that belong in the
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 3: conversation for potential conference title challengers?
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I think after Texas Tech more open than people
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 6: anticipate or when they're putting their preseason list together. From
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 6: everything I've seen, I think there's a wide range of
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 6: teams that could compete for a top three finish or
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 6: even a top two finish. The more I dive into TCU,
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 6: the more I really like what TCU has done, bringing
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 6: in a new offensive coordinator that Sonny Dike's is running
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 6: around telling people the offense won't look that much different,
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 6: it will look very different. So they're very much going
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 6: to lean on their ground game. And Jaden Craig is
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 6: a guy that just I think fits that system really well,
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 6: which is why he ultimately landed at TCU. He had
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 6: a lot of very very lucrative offers from Power Conference
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 6: schools and it was ultimately the system that sold him
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 6: on TCU and then outside of them, I do like Houston.
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 6: With Houston and they have some really tough games right
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 6: out of the gate. They played Texas Tech, you know,
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  Speaker 6: early September They've got one other tough game that eludes
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  Speaker 6: me at the moment before they even get into the
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 6: month of October. And then the thing with Houston their schedule,
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 6: like from Halloween on, they have some gnarly road games
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  Speaker 6: and some really cold weather climates that I think could
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 6: potentially trip them up that they didn't have a season
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 6: to go. The Confines were much more friendly last year
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 6: for Houston late in the year. And then the other
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 6: team I'd throw into the mix Arizona. Yes, Arizona State
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 6: I think deserves a mention, but also Kansas State, Kansas
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 6: State and Utah to me had the easiest schedules of
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 6: the contenders that we're talking about. I'm a big fan
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 6: of book callin Kline brings to the table and how
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 6: he plans to unlock Avery Johnson. Case State had five
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 6: of their six losses, they had a lead in the
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 6: fourth quarter and really in most of those gave away.
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 6: So I think we would look at KSE State in
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 6: a much different light if they'd even want half of
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 6: those games and been a ninety and three football team
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 6: coming into this year versus six and six. So I
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 6: would throw them into the conversation as a sleeper team,
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 6: But I do think it's wide open after what I
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 6: think Texas Tech is going to be at the top.
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 2: How are we going to be talking about Colorado midway
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 2: through this season?
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 1: Ended this season?
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  Speaker 3: You know, Deon Sanders is this cult of personality and
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 3: got a lot of eyeballs on things when he had
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 3: his own son and when he had a Heisband Trophy winner,
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 3: and I don't like that roster necessarily, but he's still
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 3: saying some of the right things.
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 1: How do you think we end up talking about Colorado?
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 6: If Colorado plays in a bowl game, it's a huge
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 6: success for what they're up against. They're the only team
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 6: in the Big Twelve that plays two Power Conference opponents
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 6: on the road in the non conference. Three of their
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 6: first four games right out of the gate are on
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 6: the road this season at Georgia Tech, they get Weaver State,
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 6: and they're at Northwestern and at Baylor, oh And then
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 6: after that they come home for Texas Tech and Utah.
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 6: It is a brutal schedule for Colorado and Deon's kind
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  Speaker 6: of going through an entire reset. You know, He's got
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 6: Julian Lewis at quarterback, so they won't have four or
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 6: five different quarterbacks this season, he's going to be their guy.
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 6: But he's putting a much stronger emphasis on high school recruiting.
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 6: He's putting a much stronger emphasis on character guys. When
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 6: it comes to transfers. He's no longer chasing the former
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 6: four star and five star transfers. He's going after the
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 6: guys that were more productive at lower level schools, like
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 6: Danny Scadero, who led the nation in receiving last year,
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 6: but he did it at San Jose State and he's
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 6: only about five foot eight tall. So to me, that's
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 6: going to take some time. In Boulder. I don't know
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 6: that year one they're a seven or an eight win
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 6: football team, but I think with the way last year finished,
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 6: even nipping a bowl game and competing late in the
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 6: season against the Arizona States and the Houstons, two of
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 6: their November opponents, would be a step in the right
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 6: direction for what is almost in a lot of ways
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 6: a complete like reset in Bolder.
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 2: Is the Big Twelve, a one bid league in the
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 2: upcoming college football playoffs.
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 6: Depends how that BYU Notre Dame game goes. If BYU
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 6: can upset Notre Dame, if BYU can hang with Notre Dame.
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 6: Like all eyes are going to be on that contest
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 6: in the College Football Playoff Committee and the television partners
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 6: ESPN included at the top of that list. What I
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 6: have seen the last two years has been so much,
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 6: for lack of a better term, propaganda and narrative surrounding
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 6: these teams that get selected. I think that is a
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 6: monster game for the league to show that it belongs
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 6: on that stage against that level of competition. So it's
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 6: huge and I'm not saying that's even the game that
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 6: swings BYU one way or the other necessarily, but these
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 6: non conference, high profile matchups do make a difference, and
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 6: so if that game goes in favor of that particular
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 6: Big Twelve school, I think it helps everybody in this conference.
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 6: But to get two teams in, if there's a ten
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 6: and two team with a loss in the Big Twelve
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 6: championship game, they won't be in the College Football Playoff
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 6: because that's what we had last year, and until I
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 6: see something different, I lean towards no. But if Texas
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 6: texts undefeated, or if there's two teams that in the
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 6: regular season at eleven and one, then potentially we could
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 6: see two bids. Eleven would be the number for me.
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 6: A ten and two team, an eleven and two team
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 6: that has two losses to the same opponent like BYU
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 6: did last year. I don't think the Big twelve gets two.
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 2: In speaking of Texas Tech, you think Will Hammond's going
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 2: to be ready to go week one?
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 1: Like coach keeps alluding to.
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 6: Yes, full stop, There's no doubt in my mind. We
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 6: talked to Will Hammond one on one a week before last.
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 6: He was very direct in saying that he will be
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 6: the week one starter. Joey Maguire has said he will
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 6: be the week one starter. He's coming off to torn
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 6: acl and he has already set a personal best top
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 6: speed in just his preseason drills and everything that he's
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 6: going through. He's got like a private quarterbacks coach and
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 6: trainer that he's working with on a regular basis. That kid,
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 6: there's no doubt in my mind he'll be on the field.
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 6: I don't know how many snaps, I don't know how
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 6: many quarters, but I do strongly believe Will Hammond will
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 6: be on the field week one against Abeline Christian.
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 1: Love it, James, Thanks for your time today. Tell R
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 1: you said hi, all right?
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 6: Oh well, thank you guys man.
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 4: This was fun.
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 6: We'll do it again, hopefully we will.
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 3: That's James Westling Big twelve today on tune In Radio,
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 3: and yes he does. Get to hang out with our
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 3: guy Ari Timkin and talk a little Big twelve football,
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 3: which is right around the corner now, less than a
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 3: month away from the week zero games, and we are
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 3: a month away from Utah opening its season against Idaho
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 3: on a Thursday night.
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 1: Daily Dump is coming next.
• 1:22:31
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• 1:22:34
  Speaker 2: that had gone away.
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 3: Is coming back, but maybe not till twenty thirty. Still,
• 1:22:39
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  Speaker 5: Heating and Cooling.
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  Speaker 1: Just look for the truck with the duck. You've seen
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 1: the vans. You've seen the trucks driving around.
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 3: Yellow van, little red stripe on the bottom, the phone
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 3: number down the side. You already have that in your
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 3: phone eight on one three four one four two two two,
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 3: and of course the truck with the duck when you
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 3: make a call, when you make an appointment.
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 2: It can help you out with your plumbing. You're heating,
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 2: you're cooling your excavation if you need that.
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 3: Rob, the brains behind the whole operation is here in
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 3: studio with us for the daily dump.
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 1: Hey Rob, Hey, Yeah, you doing good? How are you?
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 6: Man?
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 8: Fantastic? I wish I was the brains behind the operation,
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 8: but I'm just the good looking one.
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 1: That's the face only I got a face for radio.
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 1: That's why I'm here.
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 3: Last time we had you in you were doing your
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 3: like you had a bunch of homework going on because
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 3: you were testing for your all of your certifications, all
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 3: your stuff. And the HVAC side because plumber by trade
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 3: came up in that World Business Owner though, and you
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 3: added the HVAC and you could have just left it
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 3: to the professionals there. You could have just left it
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 3: to your licensed HVAC text, but you wanted to make
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 3: sure you had the knowledge yourself.
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 8: Yeah, it's you know, I want to be a backup
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 8: if needed, you know, with the plumbing side, I can
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 8: always be a backup. With excavation, I can back them up.
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 8: H fact, I have no idea, so if they need help,
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 8: I can't help. But I'm hoping if I can retain
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 8: a little bit of this stuff because I'm getting kind
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 8: of old and.
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 1: School is not my thing.
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 8: Hopefully I can help, maybe change a furnace filter or something.
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 8: We are.
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 2: UTA starts football camp today. Oh Man b Yu starts
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 2: in a couple of days. Football season is back. Utah
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 2: State in action on Wednesday, at least in action for
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 2: practice on Wednesday.
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 1: Football season is back. NFL teams are in camp. We
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 1: made it. We made it through the long, hot summer.
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 8: We did, and you know, it still brings back bad memories.
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 8: I grew up in Las Vegas and we had two
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 8: days that was hot, that was really good.
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 1: I can't even imagine.
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 3: And that's the that's in the days before indoor practice
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 3: facilities and all that kind of stuff.
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 8: We all drink from the same pipe, just spraight up
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 8: in the air, you know, before cooties and all that stuff. Yeah,
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 8: Oh man, I can't imagine I would. Yeah, I'm glad
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 8: that's over.
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 2: Two days aren't even allowed anymore, Like, oh really, you
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 2: can't even do it anymore.
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 8: And they're probably indoor, aren't they.
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 3: A lot of them are going to be indoor. Coaches
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 3: still do what they can to try and toughen guys
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 3: up and stuff. I was I was talking to a
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 3: college football coach yesterday and they were he was talking
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 3: about like the the mind games you have to play
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 3: with the players to like get them to stay motivated
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 3: and stuff. And hey, we got a grind here for
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 3: two weeks, but then during camp we might throw like
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 3: a water park day in there, like a movie day
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 3: in there.
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 1: I'm like, man, it's just different than it used to be.
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 8: Absolutely, it was. You either came where you were gone.
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 1: It's just simple.
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 3: Yes, back in those days. Let's talk about valley plumbing,
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 3: heating and cooling.
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 1: Though.
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 3: Uh, the plumbing stuff I imagine is pretty consistent. Yeah,
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 3: the excavation, I've seen the truck with the duck. I've
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 3: seen the little skid skiers and the back hose and
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 3: all that stuff in my own neighborhood.
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 1: So I know that this is a big part of
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 1: the business now. Yeah.
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 8: Yeah, And you know, both of those are pretty consistent.
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 8: We have little ups and downs with excavation, you know,
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 8: if we had a really bad winter, when things staw out,
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 8: finally you get some water lines breaking. Of course, we
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 8: didn't really have a winter this year, so it's been
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 8: just consistent. But HVAC is obviously the one that's just huge.
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 8: You know, certain times of the year when we all
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 8: have our doors and windows open, we are just dead,
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 8: have nothing to do. But this time of year, where
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 8: it's consistently you know, around one hundred or more, it
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 8: is just we can't keep up.
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 2: Well, it's we've had record breaking temperatures. I mean since
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 2: the last time you came in. Literally the hottest day
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 2: on record in Salt Lake City hit one hundred and
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 2: nine degrees here.
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 8: Yeah, and not to mention what they had records of
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 8: the hottest low.
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the highest highs, the highest lows.
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 4: Uh.
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 3: My wife told me yesterday, I think we're ten degrees
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 3: above average for this time of year or something. So
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 3: I imagine the phone's ringing off the hook for the.
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 8: H fact considering you know, normally most people's heating and
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 8: air conditioning systems. They finally get caught up about you know, midnight.
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 8: But now is it ever getting caught up? Its just
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 8: constantly running, you know, So you're putting all that extra
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 8: extra stress on that thing.
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 3: Well, look, even here in the studio, it's no coincidence,
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 3: ladies and gentlemen, that when we brought on Valley Plumbing,
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 3: suddenly the air conditioner in this building works like Robin Company.
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 1: It's good karma or what it's whatever.
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 8: Yes, absolutely, just magic eight.
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 1: Oh one three four one four two two two.
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  Speaker 3: Right now, if I've got a broke down air conditioner
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 3: and it's one hundred degrees outside, how quickly can you
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 3: get somebody to help me out?
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 8: We can usually get their same day. We understand that
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 8: being hot, it's just not Yeah, it's very unpleasant. And
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 8: we all have families. I have a wife and four daughters.
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 8: I understand what they would be like if it was
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 8: ninety to one hundred degrees in the house I've got.
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 1: I got three daughters, So you and I are in
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 1: similar boats in that regard.
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 8: Whatever it takes, get that air conditioning.
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 3: And that's one of the beauties of Valley Plumbing, heating
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 3: and HVAC. Is like the business is growing, but you
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 3: still run it's it's a family business still, it is
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 3: you know that this is like there's a people element
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 3: to this. Yes, you've got the you know, you're you're
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 3: making money, You're you're doing business the right way.
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 1: But hey, I got a I got a leak. I
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 1: need to get this thing fixed right now.
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 3: I cannot have another night sleepless because everyone's sweating their
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 3: butts off in my house. Yeah, so the urgency's there
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 3: from your end of the business.
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 8: Absolutely, And we even have backup systems if if you
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 8: decide you want a new system and it takes a
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 8: day to get it installed, we have backup systems that
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 8: we can put in your home to give you some
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 8: air conditioning until we fix or replace your system, because
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 8: we understand you know, yes it may not cool their
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 8: entire house, but it's going to give you a rumor
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 8: two of cold.
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 3: And if you've got a plumbing problem, they got to
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 3: shut the water off for a while, Well, Rob is
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 3: going to make sure that's done quickly, because again that's
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 3: a dad with four daughters.
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 1: You don't want the water shut off in your house
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 1: in place like that.
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 8: As a second, you say the water's going off. Everybody
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 8: has to go to the bathroom.
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 3: Everyone's got to go. Everyone's got to wash their hair
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 3: that minute. Everyone's got to take a shower, right exactly. Then, uh,
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 3: drain cleaning, clogged sinks, yeah, clog showers, burst pipes, water line,
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 3: sewer line.
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 1: I mean you really can handle it all. Yep.
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 8: We pretty much do anything to do with eating and
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 8: air conditioning and plumbing. We will help you with whatever
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 8: you need.
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 3: So people who are if you're experiencing something on the
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 3: HVAC side right now, it's oh, my my air conditioner,
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 3: there's an issue with my air conditioner.
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 1: But also the furnace plays in right.
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 3: I actually that actually happened for us last year where
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 3: the air wasn't coming through the unit outside. My air
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 3: conditioner outside was fine, and then it sounded like there
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 3: was a lawnmower running in my furnace room.
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 1: And that's what we actually had to replace.
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 8: So, yeah, the blower go bad, correct, that's right.
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, So when when they come out to check the
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 3: unit outside, you know what, tell the truck with the duck,
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 3: have them come downstairs, have them go into that furnace room,
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 3: have them go into that utility room. And make sure
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 3: everything's working down there, because you don't want to head
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 3: into November, which is right around the corner, and then
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 3: have a furnace problem.
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 8: Also correct, We're going to look through the whole system,
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 8: making sure everything's working, making sure you're not gonna run
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 8: into any more issues. We'll give you some options, so
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 8: whatever you need, so.
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 3: It out all right eight A one three four one
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 3: four two two two be like, hey, I got this issue.
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 3: But I'm also thinking about that tankless water heater. I'm
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 3: also thinking about maybe upgrading my air conditioner because it's
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 3: not able to keep up with this crazy stuff. Yeah,
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 3: I promise you the truck with the Duck Valley plumbing,
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 3: heating and cooling, they can handle all of it. Really
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  Speaker 1: All right, Maybe maybe my biggest complaint.
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 2: With the changes in college football, with realignments, with scheduling changes,
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 2: conferences growing and saying no, you got to play nine
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 2: and people saying, oh, well, I got to protect my record. Though.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe my biggest complaint, and you've heard me say it
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 3: many times, has been a disregard for historic rivalries in
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 3: a lot of cases. Now I applaud any school, any university,
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 3: any pair of universities that acknowledges that especially non conference
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 3: rivalries should continue, should be preserved. Last year, we had
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 3: the big fight between USC and Notre Dame, both pointing
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 3: fingers at each other, saying, no, that's your fault that
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 3: we have canceled the rivalry.
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  Speaker 1: We're not going to play it.
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  Speaker 3: Everyone kind of settled on the fact that USC and
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 3: Lincoln Rivley were scared, and you know what, that's probably
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 3: the case because, of course.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, we're in the Big ten now, right, We
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 2: already have such a tough schedule. It doesn't make sense
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 2: for us to play a meaningless game against Notre Dame.
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 3: And Notre Dame USC is one of the great rivalries
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 3: in all of college football. Well, it's coming back twenty
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 3: thirty and beyond a four year extension of the rivalry
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 3: a good start.
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  Speaker 1: It should be played every single year.
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  Speaker 3: But USC Notre Dame is back on in twenty thirty,
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 3: and we can all celebrate that. I'm going to criticize
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 3: it when it goes away. To be fair, I should
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 3: at least acknowledge when the right thing is done and
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 3: they bring it back. Now there is a sacrifice being
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 3: made here because it will end a home and home
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 3: matchup with Indiana on Notre Dame schedule, and that, of
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 3: course is an in state game that as many as
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 3: two years ago didn't matter at all, but now Indiana.
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 2: Is a powerhouse somehow, four game series back to back
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 2: season openers.
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  Speaker 1: And this is another reason why I like it, because
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 1: I have said.
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  Speaker 3: The right way to make sure that these rivalry games
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 3: are treated the way that they should be treated.
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 1: Even if the college football playoff.
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 3: Expands further, and then you start worrying about, well, what
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 3: about the conference rivalry games?
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 1: What about like Georgia Florida, and what about BYU Utah?
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 3: And if you're getting to the end of the season,
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 3: you've already sort of secured your position in an upcoming
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 3: college football playoff.
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 1: Are you now gonna you're going to half ass your.
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 3: Way in a rivalry game and an in state rivalry
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 3: Are you going to rest people or protect injuries or
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 3: whatever in an in state rivalry game, which would be
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 3: a travesty of the highest order for the legacy of
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 3: any school and any coach and any member of those rosters.
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 1: The way you guarantee that won't happen.
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 3: Is you say, you know what, we're flipping the season
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 3: on its head, and rivalry week is in week one.
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 3: It's the only way to guarantee that you're gonna play
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 3: this game and you're gonna take this game seriously. It's
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 3: gonna be week one, and a lot of coaches are
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 3: gonna hate that. A lot of people want a tune
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 3: up game before they play an emotional game like that.
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 3: At the end of the day, you have to do
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 3: what you can to preserve it, even if it means
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 3: that both teams are not one hundred percent themselves.
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 1: So Notre Dame USC opening the season twice. I mean
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 1: that is.
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  Speaker 2: Remember how we went through the schedule for the upcoming
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 2: opening weekend and we talked about I complained about because
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 2: you find me complaining a lot.
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 1: The week one, not Week zero.
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 3: Week one games, so Saturday, September fifth, there's not like
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 3: a ton of headliners here. There are very few blockbuster matchups.
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 2: What would you say biggest matchup stands out to you?
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 2: Is it Ohio State Texas or is that Week two?
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 2: Clemson LSU is a big one. CLESU. Uh, Clemson LSU
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 2: is probably the headliner. I think Ohio State Texas is
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 2: Week one as well.
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 1: Where is it?
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 2: I could just have scrolled past it early season anyway,
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 2: check it out. No, it's Texas State Texas. Okay, so
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 2: that must be week two to one then, so September fifth,
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 2: there's the week zero games that are coming up.
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 3: August twenty ninth, and there's no real head liner there.
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 3: North Carolina TCU is the best one of the week
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 3: zero game. Yeah, that's the that's at Viva Stadium in Dublin,
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 3: the Dublin game.
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 3: The Thursday night games, Utah playing Idaho, Colorado, Georgia Tech
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 3: is the best game there. Yeah, and that's eh Friday night.
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 3: You have Miami Stanford, you have Fresno State USC. But
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 3: you're noticing a trend here, I'm not.
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 1: I'm not giving you.
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 2: Any like oh maam start ticket to get Miami Stanford
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 2: National Championship preview question mark. Yeah, Ohio State Texas is
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 2: Week two, September twelfth, so yeah, this is that was
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 2: the matchup in Week one last year.
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 1: So that's a bummer that we don't have that Week
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 1: one this year.
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 3: So your best games in Week one this year are
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 3: Baylor Auburn, which yeah, Tulane Duke which I'll respect the
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 3: boys State, but Boise State at Oregon.
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 1: I'll watch it.
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 3: I will be intrigued by that, but that's not appointment
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 3: viewing for the average college football fan.
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 2: The Oregon team is loaded. We'll talk with Jeff Schwartz
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 2: more about that tomorrow.
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 1: No doubt they're they're really good.
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 2: Like as good as Boise State always is. The group
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 2: of five now group of six level. I don't know
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 2: if they're gonna be able to hang with this Oregon team.
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 2: That's a loaded team. Clemson LSU is the primetime ABC game.
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 2: That's like the big dog that was. That was a
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 2: huge one last year too, both in the top both
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 2: ranks in the top ten to start the season last year.
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 2: Ended up Clemson was a lot worse than that to
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 2: end the season. LSU was too, I guess, so that
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 2: hopefully that ends up being the blockbuster that we think
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 2: it will be at as this we get late season, like,
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 2: oh yeah, that was a heavyweight matchup UCLA cal To
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 2: for the late game the PAC twelve after dark, Okay,
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 2: all right, Big ten after dark, Big ten after dark,
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 2: Big then ACC after dark. Because it's opening weekend, you
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 2: have some Sunday games. The Apple Cup.
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 1: See what we're doing here.
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 3: The Apple Cup is being played on Sunday, September sixth
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 3: a Wisconsin Notre Dame.
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 2: We'll see how good Wisconsin is. And then the Monday
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 2: game is SMU Florida State. So that whole weekend.
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 3: I didn't give you just one one Saturday, I'm giving
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 3: you the whole weekend of opening weekend. There's not a
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 3: single game on there that gets you more excited than
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 3: a US seed Notre Dame opening weekend game. Absolutely, Like,
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 3: that's as good as it gets, man, and I'm glad
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 3: that they're bringing it back. We'll have to wait until
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 3: twenty thirty before we really celebrate it.
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 2: But I think it behooves college football to do that,
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 2: to say coaches don't complain, conferences don't complain.
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 1: Nobody complain. Here's what we're gonna do.
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 3: We are gonna start the season with a big fat
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 3: honkin game like Ohio State Texas, like Oregon versus Alabama,
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 3: like USC Notre Dame.
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 1: Whatever.
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 3: Just throw it out there, hit it, hit it right,
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 3: and then if you have to give an extra buy
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 3: as like a compensatory thing.
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 1: Fine. So this Seae Notre Dame is back.
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 2: Week one is late this year, oh see, because it's
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 2: always Labor Day weekend and we're like a week later
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 2: than it's than it feels like it usually is because
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 2: the last day, the last or the last day of
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 2: August happens to be a Monday. So we were one
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 2: day off of September first being the being Labor Day,
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 2: and that's you know, end of August is what I
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 2: think of is Labor Day weekend. Typically, if we're like
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 2: a week later than that, it's a This is a
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 2: late start to the college football season.
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 1: So Labor Day this.
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 3: Year is September sixth or whatever. I think it's the seventh,
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 3: September seventh, Yeah, the Monday, yikes.
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 2: So this is this is why, like that's why August
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 2: twenty ninth, dec that's week zero. That's that's typically week one.
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 2: Well it's a week it's a week later this year.
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 1: Uh jj Watt is.
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 2: Now a friend of the station because he did an
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 2: interview with Spence Checkets.
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 3: We can say that right, Oh yeah, friend of the station.
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 3: JJ Watt is set to replace Tony Romo in the
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 3: booth because Tony Romo's been arrested. He has a little
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 3: at a dy situation he's got to work through and deal. Really,
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 3: it's a pr nightmare for anyone. So, uh, jj Watt
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 3: is going to replace him in the booth, they say
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 3: for the time being. So they're leaving it open to Hey,
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 3: if Tony gets things in order here, maybe he'll join
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 3: jim Nantz during the season. I'm not holding my breath
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 3: for that. He's leaving JJ Watt, leaving other friend of
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 3: the station, Iron Eagle, to team up with jim Nantz
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 3: on the CBS booth.
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 1: M So there's that.
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 3: Good luck to Tony getting all this stuff worked out.
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 3: That's you never like to see any human going through
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 3: that kind of thing, and you don't like to see
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 3: people having to deal with that, but you do have
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 3: to deal with it. JJ's really good, by the way,
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 3: he's quickly become a really good game analyst. I don't
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 3: know if Tony is going to get his job back.
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 2: Which, by the way, JJ Watt plays the wrong played
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 2: the wrong position to know that much about football. It's
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 2: respect to all of you pass rushers out there, all
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 2: you defensive linemen out there. D lineman have to know
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 2: the least about football, like compared to everyone else who
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 2: plays well, punters.
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 3: Besides the specialists, we'll say, yeah, I'm sure a long
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 3: snapper doesn't need to know a dang thing. But D
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 3: lineman can get away with not really knowing what anyone
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 3: else's job.
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 2: Is because they're on the front line. The guy the
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 2: safety's like Eric Weddle, You're like, oh, that makes sense.
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 2: He knows so much about football. He's literally the last
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 2: line of defense.
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 1: There's a lot of D linemen out there.
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 3: It's like Seaball get ball, even like super high level guys,
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 3: guys at the top where you just don't know. If
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 3: you ask jj Watt though, all right, this is the call.
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 1: What are you doing?
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 3: He knows what he's doing. What are your linebackers doing?
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 3: He knows that, what are your safeties doing, What are
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 3: the corners doing?
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 1: He knows all of that.
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 3: That's he's a student of the game of football, when
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 3: a lot of pass rushers, a lot of specialists in
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 3: that regard don't really have to be.
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 1: So it's admirable. Good for him.
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 3: I encourage you, We're not going to play any of
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 3: them here, and we're gonna try to stay on clock
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 3: so we can get to Tony Jones on time. But
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  Speaker 3: I encourage all of you to go find message board
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  Speaker 3: content of Big Ten media days and former Utah head
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 3: coach Kyle Whittingham basically trying to calm down the Michigan
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 3: Ohio state rivalry just chef's kiss, which.
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 1: Is it's hilarious.
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 2: It's some ways, I as someone who's a fan of
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 2: the rivalry, I'm not with the crazy maniacs, Like how
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 2: dare you Kyle whittinghams say that I should be nice.
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 1: To each other. But it's also just hilarious.
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 2: It's like, you're not You're not, You're not gonna get
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 2: any fan on of that rivalry on board with you.
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 2: But also talking about this off air with some people
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  Speaker 2: here at the station OC this morning. Wit we know
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  Speaker 2: this a long time ago, got over the I care,
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  Speaker 2: I care what people's reaction is to things that I've said.
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  Speaker 2: So he just that's how he feels. He doesn't care
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 2: if you if you disagree and think he's an idiot.
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 3: I uh, I love a good tone deaf statement from
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 3: a coach, especially a brand new head coach, and obvious
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 3: the circumstances here make you like chuckle about it even more.
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  Speaker 3: But go take a look at it just and more
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 3: more importantly, the reaction to it. He made the great
• 1:46:13
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• 1:46:15
  Speaker 3: good person. You can you don't compliment. You don't compliment
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  Speaker 3: Oregon State Beaver is now a Red Sox. So James
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  Speaker 3: just I guess, takes the rest of the show off,
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 3: which is only fifty four.
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  Speaker 1: Minutes or so. We'll see you later, see you guys tomorrow.
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  Speaker 3: Our next guest is covering the Philadelphia seventy six ers
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 3: now after he abandoned us. Actually I think he might
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 3: be living in Philly, but maybe he's flying a helicopter
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 3: into work.
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  Speaker 1: Each day, which may or may not be the lebron
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 1: James plan.
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  Speaker 2: Tony Jones of the Athletic kind of enough to join us, Tony,
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  Speaker 2: welcome back to the show.
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  Speaker 8: How are you?
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  Speaker 4: I mean, I'm still like on a band. The word
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  Speaker 4: abandon How did that happen?
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  Speaker 3: We just you know you you took another opportunity, and
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 3: instead of celebrating your accomplishment in life, we took the
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 3: tack of feeling abandoned and feeling like it should have
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 3: been all about us, and you left us in the dust.
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 1: So that's that's where abandon came from.
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  Speaker 4: I love you guys so much, and you notice, we just.
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 3: Miss you, that's all. But I missed you too, Bro
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 3: in seriousness. Obviously, great opportunity, pretty cool thing. And now right,
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 3: you've been covering Lebron James's career because he's Lebron James,
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 3: and you're a sports reporter and an NBA guy specifically,
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 3: and and now you're in Lebron James' city, on Lebron
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 3: James's duty.
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  Speaker 1: Basically, what do you anticipate? What do you think?
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 3: Like, we haven't talked since he made the decision to
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 3: join Philadelphia. I want you to unpack your reaction to
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 3: the fact that not only is Lebron of Philadelphia seventy
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 3: six or but now you'll be covering Lebron on a
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 3: very regular basis.
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  Speaker 4: So I thought to a source close close to the
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 4: situation on the data he signed, and you know, we
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 4: talked for about twenty minutes. You know, just kind of
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 4: going back and forth on the landscape. And then you know,
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 4: we were about to get off the phone and this
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 4: source says me, Tony, I hope you're ready because the
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 4: circus has come into town. And I was just like, wow,
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 4: that's like the perfect encapsulation of where it's going to be.
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 4: I mean, it's going to be you know, James asked
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 4: me kind of you know what I was expecting, and
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 4: you know, and I said to James, I said, you know,
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 4: it's probably you know, it's going to be like any
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 4: other beat, but you know, probably a little bit more
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 4: eyes on it. But it's kind of gonna be box
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 4: office wherever they go, right, Like Lebron James and Joel
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 4: Embiid and Jalen Brown are on the same team, and oh,
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 4: by the way, Tyrese Maxee and and you know, one
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 4: of the best three rookies in the league last year
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 4: and vj Estim are also on the team as well.
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 4: So you know, it's gonna be one of those things
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 4: where every arena is full. You know. Obviously, you know,
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 4: Lebron brings eyes. You know, I don't think it's going
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 4: to be a fair rail tour because I expect Lebron
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 4: to play two years, get two years out of this,
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 4: but it's it's gonna be really interesting, you know, no
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 4: matter where the sisters go and and you can already
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 4: see in Philadelphia, you know when I got to town
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 4: last year, I mean this was an Eagles town. And
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 4: over the last three or four weeks, you know, you
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 4: listen to the radio shows and you listen to the
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 4: talk shows, this is turning back into a Citrus style.
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 4: So it's been actually kind of really interesting to see
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 4: all of that stuff on the fold in real time.
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 3: So Lebron has obviously earned the right he gets to
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 3: do whatever he wants, go wherever he wants. His legacy
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 3: is intact and secure basically no matter what happens, barring
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 3: anything absolutely outlandish and insane. I'm I was surprised that
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 3: the decision was made to join a team that feels,
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 3: in my opinion, dependent on a guy who's so injury prone.
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 3: Joel Ambiid is such a big piece of what they
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 3: are going to do, even if they have Lebron James
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  Speaker 3: in the fold, he's such a huge piece of it.
• 1:52:44
  Speaker 3: And he's available fifty percent of the time. That's his
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 3: career record. He's there for fifty percent of his games.
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 2: To me, I was like, I didn't think Lebron James
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 2: would take that risk at this point in his career.
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 1: How big a risk is it? Am I over indexing there?
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 4: Well, there are two other all NBA players in the
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 4: start of the lineup that are not named Joel Ebie
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 4: right now, in Jalen Brown and Tyres Maxley. Both of
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 4: those guys we're all NBA team, We're all NBA guys.
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 4: Both of those guys averaged twenty eight a game last
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 4: last year. You know, I don't know what this weird
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 4: obsession was or has been with people trying to question
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 4: exactly how good Jalen Brown is. But he's really, really,
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 4: really good. I you know, obviously, and obviously this was
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 4: well before you know, I had any anybody had any
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 4: inkland that Jalen Brown would end up in Philadelphia. I
• 1:53:41
  Speaker 4: voted Jalen Brown number two on my NBA All My
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 4: MVP ballot for last year. I thought he was that good.
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 4: He had was twenty eight points, six rebounds five Francistan game.
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 4: He was the driving force behind a team that did
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 4: not have Jason Tatum in winning fifty four games, finishing
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 4: second in the Eastern Conference. He's one of the best
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 4: small forwards in the world, and Tyrese Maxie is one
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 4: of the best point guards in the world. So I'm
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 4: not saying that Philadelphia doesn't need Jalen Joellenbid to win
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 4: a championship. I actually think they do. But what they
• 1:54:22
  Speaker 4: don't need at this point is joellenbi to play any
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 4: regular season games. If Joel nbi played zero regular season games,
• 1:54:30
  Speaker 4: this team could still win fifty five games. That's how
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 4: good Tyrese Maxie, Joel Embiid, and Lebron James can be
• 1:54:41
  Speaker 4: with the depth that they have around those guys. So
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 4: you know, Joel Embiid went from at least in the
• 1:54:47
  Speaker 4: regular season, a need, a real need he was obviously
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 4: a need last year, a necessity to a luxury. And
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 4: I think that that's what the Jalen bran out in
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 4: trade does uh for for the Sixers, as well as
• 1:55:05
  Speaker 4: getting Lebron James. I do think that if you know
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 4: the Sixers are gonna you know, deep San Antonio, the
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 4: San Antonio Spurs or Oklahoma City Thunder or even the
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 4: Los Angeles Lakers four times in a series. If they
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 4: should get out of the Eastern conference, they're gonna need
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 4: joellenb to do it because they're gonna need uh that
• 1:55:25
  Speaker 4: kind of half court scoring that joellenb provide. But uh,
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 4: they they don't really need them in the regular season
• 1:55:35
  Speaker 4: right now. So uh and I think that that's the
• 1:55:38
  Speaker 4: biggest thing that getting somebody like Jaylen Brown does for
• 1:55:42
  Speaker 4: the Sixers.
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 3: Tony Jones is our guest here talking right now little
• 1:55:48
  Speaker 3: NBA basketball. Maybe I'll pick his brain about some NFL
• 1:55:52
  Speaker 3: stuff coming up here in a second. But okay, So
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 3: Philadelphia obviously helped themselves a lot this offseason, and they
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 3: did it without having to spend a lot, without having
• 1:56:02
  Speaker 3: to sacrifice a lot. Who else impressed you with their
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 3: roster construction in this cycle?
• 1:56:14
  Speaker 4: Assuming that view the Kawhi Leonard trade goes through. I mean,
• 1:56:17
  Speaker 4: I really love what Toronto did, you know. I really
• 1:56:22
  Speaker 4: liked with what the Los Angeles Lakers did and getting
• 1:56:26
  Speaker 4: Walker Kessler's I apologize the Jazz fans. I obviously really
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 4: liked what the Jazz did and the return for Walker
• 1:56:36
  Speaker 4: Castler trade. And I thought that the Jazz made a great,
• 1:56:41
  Speaker 4: you know, if not obvious, uh pick in and picking
• 1:56:46
  Speaker 4: Darren Peterson.
• 1:56:47
  Speaker 7: Uh.
• 1:56:47
  Speaker 4: So I like with what they did as well, But
• 1:56:50
  Speaker 4: I really like, you know, just the Eastern Conference as
• 1:56:53
  Speaker 4: a whole. I think that this is going to be
• 1:56:56
  Speaker 4: the first year and eons, probably thirty years where I
• 1:57:00
  Speaker 4: could probably say that the Eastern Conference on the whole,
• 1:57:04
  Speaker 4: on the collective, is better, is better than the Western Conference.
• 1:57:08
  Speaker 4: You can argue that the top two teams in the
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 4: league are in the Western Conference. I will probably argue
• 1:57:12
  Speaker 4: against that, being that the New York Knicks are or
• 1:57:17
  Speaker 4: are the reigning in the NBA champions. But I think
• 1:57:21
  Speaker 4: that the East, for you know, the first time in forever,
• 1:57:24
  Speaker 4: has has better depth than the West.
• 1:57:29
  Speaker 2: Is there a new contender in the East, a new one,
• 1:57:32
  Speaker 2: somebody that wasn't in that conversation last year but belongs
• 1:57:36
  Speaker 2: in it in this upcoming season.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, for sure, Philadelphia, that's number one, because they didn't
• 1:57:43
  Speaker 4: belong in in that conversation last year, but they certainly
• 1:57:47
  Speaker 4: belonged in this conversation this year. I'll go back to
• 1:57:51
  Speaker 4: the Kawhi Leonard trade, if if, if that goes through,
• 1:57:54
  Speaker 4: UH and Toronto, compare Kawhi Leonard with Scottie Barnes. Uh.
• 1:58:00
  Speaker 4: That's a killer, just an absolutely killer forward du duo.
• 1:58:04
  Speaker 4: And you know, and I think that they belong in
• 1:58:06
  Speaker 4: that conversation as well. I would, you know, look at Atlanta,
• 1:58:11
  Speaker 4: you know, just with the depth and some of the
• 1:58:14
  Speaker 4: moves that they've made, you know they're going to be
• 1:58:16
  Speaker 4: in the conversation. But you know, if you look up
• 1:58:19
  Speaker 4: and down the Eastern Conference, I mean, you know, the Knicks,
• 1:58:22
  Speaker 4: the Sixers, the Raptors, you know, the Celtics are still
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 4: going to be really good. You know, the you know,
• 1:58:30
  Speaker 4: the Cavaliers are still going to be really good. You know.
• 1:58:33
  Speaker 4: I think Orlando, you know, getting getting Sweeney. I think
• 1:58:37
  Speaker 4: that that's going to be an upgrade in coaching, and
• 1:58:40
  Speaker 4: I think that they're going to be better than they
• 1:58:43
  Speaker 4: were last year, certainly more consistent. I just think up
• 1:58:47
  Speaker 4: and down the Eastern Conference, Uh, it's it's littered with
• 1:58:51
  Speaker 4: good teams who who had the chance to do a
• 1:58:55
  Speaker 4: lot of really good things. If things go their way.
• 1:59:00
  Speaker 1: You've alluded to it twice.
• 1:59:01
  Speaker 3: Now, if the Kawhi Leonard trade goes through and Toronto
• 1:59:05
  Speaker 3: can end up with him, what what what does your
• 1:59:08
  Speaker 3: gut tell you about the likelihood of that going through.
• 1:59:10
  Speaker 1: All the way.
• 1:59:13
  Speaker 4: I think it will go. I think it will end
• 1:59:15
  Speaker 4: up going through. I just you know, I think, like
• 1:59:18
  Speaker 4: the rest of the league, I hold the sentiment that
• 1:59:22
  Speaker 4: I just wish the NBA or whoever the power to
• 1:59:25
  Speaker 4: be in that situation finished their business once and for all,
• 1:59:30
  Speaker 4: uh so so that you know, some things can start
• 1:59:33
  Speaker 4: to move because I do believe Peyton Watson's situation is
• 1:59:37
  Speaker 4: held up because of that. I do believe that Benedict
• 1:59:42
  Speaker 4: Matherin situation is held up in some respects because of
• 1:59:46
  Speaker 4: that as well. You know, so I just really wish
• 1:59:50
  Speaker 4: you know that that you know, whoever is running, you
• 1:59:54
  Speaker 4: know is running that you know investigation, you know that
• 1:59:58
  Speaker 4: they finish up. So you know that the the rest
• 2:00:02
  Speaker 4: of the league and the Clippers can can't finish their
• 2:00:05
  Speaker 4: business once.
• 2:00:05
  Speaker 9: And for all.
• 2:00:10
  Speaker 3: Victor wimban Yama is hosting a bunch of his Spurs
• 2:00:13
  Speaker 3: teammates in France right now, and you know, you read
• 2:00:16
  Speaker 3: the articles and there's a lot of conversations about what
• 2:00:20
  Speaker 3: great leadership is showing despite his youth, and he's I mean,
• 2:00:24
  Speaker 3: he's an alien.
• 2:00:25
  Speaker 1: This guy's going to be the future. He already is
• 2:00:27
  Speaker 1: the president of the NBA. He's going to be the
• 2:00:28
  Speaker 1: future of the NBA. I think for a while.
• 2:00:32
  Speaker 3: He did not show his best self, necessarily his best
• 2:00:36
  Speaker 3: player self in the finals, and I think that's totally normal.
• 2:00:40
  Speaker 1: You and I have talked about it already. What do
• 2:00:43
  Speaker 1: you need to see him doing this offseason?
• 2:00:44
  Speaker 3: And maybe this is it to make you feel like
• 2:00:48
  Speaker 3: the next version this upcoming season, if he's able to
• 2:00:52
  Speaker 3: get back there, victor wimin Yama will be able to
• 2:00:55
  Speaker 3: play more of a clutch version of basketball, be the
• 2:00:59
  Speaker 3: best version of himself and maybe take home a championship.
• 2:01:03
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that he needed he he got what
• 2:01:08
  Speaker 4: he needed, which is a real adult of humility, and
• 2:01:12
  Speaker 4: I think that that was that's one of the biggest
• 2:01:14
  Speaker 4: things that he needs to take into the next season,
• 2:01:18
  Speaker 4: because I thought it was fairly obvious, was fairly obvious
• 2:01:22
  Speaker 4: that neither he or the Spurs took the Knicks seriously
• 2:01:26
  Speaker 4: and the Knicks in turn kicked their behinds. And you know,
• 2:01:30
  Speaker 4: you could say that all well, the Spurs had you know,
• 2:01:34
  Speaker 4: double digit leads in the first quarters. You know in
• 2:01:37
  Speaker 4: every game. Well, you know, NBA game is a forty
• 2:01:39
  Speaker 4: eight minutes long, not twelve minutes long, and over forty
• 2:01:43
  Speaker 4: eight minutes, the Knicks were were by far the better
• 2:01:45
  Speaker 4: team because they won the series in five games. I
• 2:01:49
  Speaker 4: don't think that Victor Winbayama showed the New York Knicks
• 2:01:55
  Speaker 4: anywhere close to the respect that he showed the the
• 2:01:58
  Speaker 4: Oklahoma City Thunder. And I thought the Knicks had a
• 2:02:02
  Speaker 4: real chance to win the series. I always thought that
• 2:02:04
  Speaker 4: they had a chance to be either the Thunder or
• 2:02:07
  Speaker 4: the Spurs, but I thought they had a real chance
• 2:02:10
  Speaker 4: to win the series. The minute that the Spurs won
• 2:02:13
  Speaker 4: the Thunder series and Victor win Biama was on national TV,
• 2:02:17
  Speaker 4: you know, basically boohoo and crying real tears. And my
• 2:02:22
  Speaker 4: first thought when I saw that, and I saw that celebration,
• 2:02:26
  Speaker 4: you know, because you're allowed to celebration when you get
• 2:02:28
  Speaker 4: to the NBA Finals, But when I saw you know,
• 2:02:30
  Speaker 4: the tears and in the hugging and we did it
• 2:02:34
  Speaker 4: and all of that stuff, my first was My first
• 2:02:38
  Speaker 4: reaction was do these guys and does Victor win Biama
• 2:02:42
  Speaker 4: know that they have another series to play? And that's
• 2:02:45
  Speaker 4: when I realized that the Knicks had a real chance
• 2:02:48
  Speaker 4: to win that series, and they didn't approach the Knicks
• 2:02:52
  Speaker 4: with the appropriate level of fear, the appropriate level of respect.
• 2:02:58
  Speaker 4: I think there were always bad football players. The football
• 2:03:01
  Speaker 4: players I think coaches always preached to us you got
• 2:03:05
  Speaker 4: to have an appropriate level of fear for your opponent.
• 2:03:09
  Speaker 4: And Victor Winbiyama did not have an appropriate level of
• 2:03:13
  Speaker 4: fear uh for you know, Karl Anthony Towns or Mitchell
• 2:03:16
  Speaker 4: Robinson or anybody on that next team, and the next
• 2:03:19
  Speaker 4: took it to him for five games. And I think that,
• 2:03:23
  Speaker 4: you know, the next level in his step for maturation
• 2:03:27
  Speaker 4: is to have that appropriate level for fear of fear
• 2:03:30
  Speaker 4: and to know that, you know, then to know that
• 2:03:34
  Speaker 4: a championship is not one according to Twitter or according
• 2:03:39
  Speaker 4: to social media or according to the betting to the
• 2:03:42
  Speaker 4: betting sites, championship for one on the court. And I
• 2:03:45
  Speaker 4: think that if if if Victor win Byama realizes that
• 2:03:51
  Speaker 4: and goes into next season uh and beyond with that mindset, uh,
• 2:03:57
  Speaker 4: then he's going to be that much closer to winning
• 2:03:59
  Speaker 4: a championianship uh than he was this year.
• 2:04:04
  Speaker 3: Where do Donovan, Mitchell and Coco Jones rank in the
• 2:04:08
  Speaker 3: NBA Power couple stratosphere?
• 2:04:12
  Speaker 4: I would say pretty high because Donovan did really well
• 2:04:16
  Speaker 4: for himself with Coco Jones because that is a that
• 2:04:23
  Speaker 4: is a very nice young woman that he married, and
• 2:04:28
  Speaker 4: you know, and I think that he chose well. And
• 2:04:31
  Speaker 4: you know, and you know this is this has been
• 2:04:34
  Speaker 4: headed heading that way for for a couple of years.
• 2:04:39
  Speaker 4: You know. It was one of those things where where
• 2:04:42
  Speaker 4: Donovan was smitten by her really early and just kind
• 2:04:45
  Speaker 4: of shut it all down and said, this is the
• 2:04:47
  Speaker 4: woman that I that I that I'm going to marry.
• 2:04:50
  Speaker 4: And and obviously, you know, from from Coco's perspective, Donovan
• 2:04:54
  Speaker 4: is one of the the best players in the league
• 2:04:57
  Speaker 4: and you know, one of the best shooting guards to
• 2:05:00
  Speaker 4: and I think that, uh, she did well for herself
• 2:05:03
  Speaker 4: as well.
• 2:05:05
  Speaker 3: I asked Gordy Chase of this earlier, how players getting
• 2:05:09
  Speaker 3: married changes their basketball And obviously that's a broad spectrum.
• 2:05:13
  Speaker 3: But for somebody like Donovan, who you're pretty familiar with, uh,
• 2:05:17
  Speaker 3: the will there be any effect on how he actually
• 2:05:20
  Speaker 3: plays or the way he conducts his his offseason life
• 2:05:24
  Speaker 3: in a meaningful way that we'll notice on court, No.
• 2:05:28
  Speaker 4: Not at all. I think that you know Donovan is
• 2:05:31
  Speaker 4: is he's always been a worker, and he's always been
• 2:05:34
  Speaker 4: you know, somebody who's who's continued to involve as a
• 2:05:38
  Speaker 4: basketball player, uh, and continue to evolve his skill level.
• 2:05:43
  Speaker 4: And you know, I think that he's going to continue
• 2:05:45
  Speaker 4: to do that, you know, and and the most thing
• 2:05:47
  Speaker 4: for him is that you know, he wants to win
• 2:05:49
  Speaker 4: a championship. I mean, I you know, I asked him,
• 2:05:53
  Speaker 4: I said, you know, how long do you think that
• 2:05:55
  Speaker 4: you you're going to play? Asked in this last year,
• 2:05:58
  Speaker 4: and he said, you know, it depends on if I
• 2:06:00
  Speaker 4: win one. If I win one, you know, I could
• 2:06:03
  Speaker 4: be done, you know, about thirty five, thirty six years old.
• 2:06:06
  Speaker 4: But you know, if I don't win one, I gotta
• 2:06:08
  Speaker 4: play and I gotta I gotta find a way to
• 2:06:10
  Speaker 4: win one. So you know, I think that Donovan is
• 2:06:14
  Speaker 4: driven by success, and he's he's driven by competition, and
• 2:06:20
  Speaker 4: I think that none of those are going to change,
• 2:06:24
  Speaker 4: you know, just because he got married.
• 2:06:26
  Speaker 1: How are you feeling about your commanders?
• 2:06:30
  Speaker 4: Not good man? You know, our number two wide receiver
• 2:06:34
  Speaker 4: is Luke McCaffrey at the moment. So you know, all
• 2:06:38
  Speaker 4: apology to Luke McCaffrey, because you know, I'm sure he's
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  Speaker 4: a great young man, but he's a number four best.
• 2:06:46
  Speaker 4: And you know the same issues that you know, the
• 2:06:52
  Speaker 4: same issues that we ended the season with with with
• 2:06:55
  Speaker 4: Jayden daniels Is are the same issues that we have
• 2:07:00
  Speaker 4: right now as the season is is starting up. I
• 2:07:04
  Speaker 4: do really like Sunny Style, but I really wanted Tyson.
• 2:07:09
  Speaker 4: I really wanted us to draft Tyson because you know,
• 2:07:12
  Speaker 4: I just thought that we really needed number one. And
• 2:07:16
  Speaker 4: you know, I think that I thought that Terry McLaurin
• 2:07:21
  Speaker 4: would be better served being number two. And he's still
• 2:07:25
  Speaker 4: our number one. And I love Gry Terry as much
• 2:07:28
  Speaker 4: as the next person, but you know, I think he's
• 2:07:30
  Speaker 4: a high end too, rather than one. And we need
• 2:07:33
  Speaker 4: to get we need we need to get. We need
• 2:07:35
  Speaker 4: to get our quarterback a number one.
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  Speaker 2: Well, at least you're not as old as my San
• 2:07:42
  Speaker 2: Francisco forty nine ers right now. So we all got
• 2:07:44
  Speaker 2: our own problems.
• 2:07:46
  Speaker 6: Well, I mean, y'all lost Ricky Pierce off for the year.
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  Speaker 1: His body is not made for professional football. Unfortunately, he
• 2:07:56
  Speaker 1: was on.
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  Speaker 4: My fantasy team and he was incredible for the one
• 2:07:59
  Speaker 4: week he was out.
• 2:08:00
  Speaker 1: We got Debo back. Though we got Demo back.
• 2:08:05
  Speaker 4: Let me, Luke maccaffery is better than Deebo. He all right,
• 2:08:12
  Speaker 4: I think by the way, I think he ate another
• 2:08:13
  Speaker 4: donut just now.
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  Speaker 2: That's fat shaving, and we don't support that kind of
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  Speaker 2: behavior here. On the Sean O'Connell Show. Tony, all right,
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  Speaker 2: thanks for your time, Thanks for your time, my friend.
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  Speaker 1: Appreciate you.
• 2:08:27
  Speaker 4: Oh my god, thank you so much for having me man.
• 2:08:29
  Speaker 4: I appreciate you, guys.
• 2:08:30
  Speaker 3: Tony Jones with the fat jokes for my guy Deebo Samuel. Yeah,
• 2:08:40
  Speaker 3: Tony obviously working for the athletic down Philly, and uh,
• 2:08:45
  Speaker 3: he'll be covering a lot of Lebron James and what
• 2:08:47
  Speaker 3: that super team in Philadelphia tries to do. Look, I
• 2:08:52
  Speaker 3: want to argue against the point he made, like you
• 2:08:54
  Speaker 3: probably don't need Joel Embiid for the whole regular season
• 2:08:58
  Speaker 3: and you'll still make the play. You got three all
• 2:09:02
  Speaker 3: NBA guys, you have Lebron James to go alongside, like
• 2:09:06
  Speaker 3: young all stars. So if you could just bubble wrap
• 2:09:10
  Speaker 3: Joel Embiid for the course of a regular season, playate
• 2:09:14
  Speaker 3: enough to get in shape over the final forty games,
• 2:09:17
  Speaker 3: and then have him healthy for the playoffs, maybe that's
• 2:09:20
  Speaker 3: the formula that works in Philly. We'll see how they
• 2:09:23
  Speaker 3: try to handle it. H Utah Football opens camp today.
• 2:09:28
  Speaker 3: Zach Moss is going to join us to talk about
• 2:09:31
  Speaker 3: the running back room. How you run behind an offensive
• 2:09:35
  Speaker 3: line that has five new starters and much more. It's
• 2:09:38
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• 2:09:45
  Speaker 1: He's not Sean O'Connell's show.
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  Speaker 1: All right.
• 2:10:05
  Speaker 3: Morgan Scally addressed the media for the first time in
• 2:10:09
  Speaker 3: fall camp after practice this morning. You can find that
• 2:10:12
  Speaker 3: sound now on ESPN seven hundred sports dot Com. Shout
• 2:10:16
  Speaker 3: out to our guy Porter Larson for being up there
• 2:10:18
  Speaker 3: at practice. It was right when we were on the air,
• 2:10:21
  Speaker 3: so James Nori could get up there to do it.
• 2:10:24
  Speaker 3: But we're talking Utah football here on your home of
• 2:10:27
  Speaker 3: the Utes with the legendary Utes. Zach Moss all everything
• 2:10:32
  Speaker 3: running back in his years at the University of Utah.
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  Speaker 1: NFL veteran Zach Moss, Welcome to the show. How are
• 2:10:38
  Speaker 1: you good?
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  Speaker 2: How you doing man?
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  Speaker 9: I appreciate you having me on.
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  Speaker 3: I appreciate you giving us some time and a little
• 2:10:44
  Speaker 3: bit of your expertise here. I want to pick your
• 2:10:46
  Speaker 3: brain about how to run behind five new starters on
• 2:10:51
  Speaker 3: the offensive line, because that's what way Shaun Parker is
• 2:10:55
  Speaker 3: going to have to do, That's what Daniel Bray is
• 2:10:56
  Speaker 3: going to have to do. When you're heading into a
• 2:11:00
  Speaker 3: situation where you even have to replace a couple of starters,
• 2:11:03
  Speaker 3: it can get interesting. As a running back, what can
• 2:11:07
  Speaker 3: they do to help out this offensive line? Whoever those
• 2:11:10
  Speaker 3: five starters are.
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  Speaker 9: I think, you know, the main thing is just you know,
• 2:11:16
  Speaker 9: building a connection with those guys. You know, obviously Bray
• 2:11:20
  Speaker 9: and Parker playing as much as they did last year
• 2:11:24
  Speaker 9: and playing with some really good guys on the front,
• 2:11:28
  Speaker 9: you know, just kind of lean and give some of
• 2:11:31
  Speaker 9: the experience at date we're able to gain last year
• 2:11:34
  Speaker 9: and try to just continue to communicate and connect with
• 2:11:37
  Speaker 9: those guys so that way, you know, they can kind
• 2:11:39
  Speaker 9: of start seeing the field as fast as they can,
• 2:11:43
  Speaker 9: you know, with it being the first time getting as
• 2:11:45
  Speaker 9: much playtime and being counter on the way they're want
• 2:11:47
  Speaker 9: to be counted on this season.
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  Speaker 3: So obviously, you had really prolific years at the University
• 2:11:53
  Speaker 3: of Utah, and there's always a debate whether or not
• 2:11:57
  Speaker 3: you want to have a bell cow back or you
• 2:12:00
  Speaker 3: can do this by committee. And I already mentioned Wasshawn
• 2:12:03
  Speaker 3: and Daniel Bray. You got Shaves Soto coming in, There's
• 2:12:07
  Speaker 3: Hunter Andrews is going to be part of the run game. Obviously,
• 2:12:09
  Speaker 3: You've got Devin and Byrd who are both going to
• 2:12:12
  Speaker 3: be part of the run game as well. You had
• 2:12:15
  Speaker 3: Tyler Huntley, right, you had Devanta Henry Cole, you had
• 2:12:17
  Speaker 3: armand Shine. There was always like a sidekicker two that
• 2:12:21
  Speaker 3: could help, uh, maybe spell you, maybe get you back
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  Speaker 3: in rhythm, keep get you out of rhythm.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: You tell me when it's when it's your mostly your
• 2:12:31
  Speaker 3: load to carry, and I think that is going to
• 2:12:32
  Speaker 3: be the case for was Shawn Parker. What are you
• 2:12:35
  Speaker 3: looking for from those other guys?
• 2:12:37
  Speaker 2: What are you hoping to see when it's not you
• 2:12:40
  Speaker 2: getting the ball and when you're not given the opportunity
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  Speaker 2: to carry it? What do you need to see from
• 2:12:44
  Speaker 2: the running back two, running back three?
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  Speaker 9: I think the main thing is always consistency, you know
• 2:12:51
  Speaker 9: from you know my time, my experience obviously in college
• 2:12:55
  Speaker 9: and in the pros. You know, when you're that second guy, Uh,
• 2:13:00
  Speaker 9: the main thing you want to do when you come
• 2:13:02
  Speaker 9: in is have no drop off, right, So that way
• 2:13:05
  Speaker 9: the number one guy feels like he can you know,
• 2:13:08
  Speaker 9: give you a lot of snaps in preserve his body
• 2:13:11
  Speaker 9: because that only helps the team. So, you know, those
• 2:13:13
  Speaker 9: guys who are going to be contributing in the ring
• 2:13:16
  Speaker 9: game this season, obviously they'll do it in a lot
• 2:13:20
  Speaker 9: of different ways. But it's about being consistent. That's the
• 2:13:24
  Speaker 9: main thing. You know, where the guys can trust you,
• 2:13:28
  Speaker 9: your teammates can trust you, and the coaches can trust you,
• 2:13:30
  Speaker 9: so they can put you in positions to make those plays.
• 2:13:34
  Speaker 9: And I think, you know, with Bray last year, we
• 2:13:36
  Speaker 9: got some new guys in that's going to you know,
• 2:13:38
  Speaker 9: come in and you know, hopefully prove themselves and things
• 2:13:40
  Speaker 9: of that nature. You know, I think they'll be able
• 2:13:42
  Speaker 9: to do that. The coaching staff are putting them in
• 2:13:45
  Speaker 9: great position to make those plays.
• 2:13:49
  Speaker 1: What was the ideal playing weight for Zach Moss.
• 2:13:55
  Speaker 9: And Commons was about two fifteen NFL that it's about two.
• 2:13:59
  Speaker 2: Twenty Okay, Yeah, how much of an adjustment is you
• 2:14:05
  Speaker 2: know that ten or ten or so pounds for running back?
• 2:14:08
  Speaker 2: Because we talked with way Sean about this at media
• 2:14:12
  Speaker 2: Days and you know he's he's added some weight and
• 2:14:15
  Speaker 2: then he's tried to get a little bit leaner.
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  Speaker 1: How much.
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  Speaker 3: Does it change the way you're able to run or
• 2:14:19
  Speaker 3: I mean, because ten pounds for a guy with that
• 2:14:21
  Speaker 3: much muscle doesn't seem like it would be a lot,
• 2:14:24
  Speaker 3: But you fill me in.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, depends on how you train yourself and how you
• 2:14:30
  Speaker 9: put the muscle on. I think that's the biggest thing,
• 2:14:34
  Speaker 9: you know. For me, it was about continue to stay explosive.
• 2:14:37
  Speaker 6: So even with the added of weight, you.
• 2:14:40
  Speaker 9: Train, you know, twice as hard to continue to be
• 2:14:44
  Speaker 9: explosive and keep your speed a loteral quickness and things
• 2:14:47
  Speaker 9: like that. So you know, as long as you still
• 2:14:50
  Speaker 9: have that, it almost doesn't even feel.
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  Speaker 6: Like a big difference.
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  Speaker 9: So I think as long as he was able to
• 2:14:56
  Speaker 9: do that, that'll be the main thing when I look
• 2:14:59
  Speaker 9: at it.
• 2:15:00
  Speaker 3: Zach Moss is our guest here on The Sean O'Connell Show,
• 2:15:03
  Speaker 3: former Utah running back, former NFL running back, talking about
• 2:15:07
  Speaker 3: camp opening. One of the things that we've been debating,
• 2:15:10
  Speaker 3: and it's all speculation at this point because it's a
• 2:15:13
  Speaker 3: new offensive coordinator, it's a bunch of different bodies.
• 2:15:16
  Speaker 1: Is dividing up the touches, right?
• 2:15:18
  Speaker 3: How do you keep everybody happy when you have a
• 2:15:21
  Speaker 3: lot of individuals that we think at least are going
• 2:15:24
  Speaker 3: to be effective weapons. You played on some very talented teams.
• 2:15:28
  Speaker 3: Like I already mentioned, you had a quarterback who was
• 2:15:31
  Speaker 3: dual threat. You had some really good tight ends, You
• 2:15:34
  Speaker 3: had some threatening receivers. You had guys in the receiver
• 2:15:38
  Speaker 3: room that could also take the end a rounds and
• 2:15:40
  Speaker 3: they could run the ball. You had Britain Covey who
• 2:15:43
  Speaker 3: could do basically anything on a football field. Was there
• 2:15:46
  Speaker 3: ever a time for any of those teams you played
• 2:15:49
  Speaker 3: for where you guys were unhappy with the touches or
• 2:15:53
  Speaker 3: the coaches felt like they had to make adjustments so
• 2:15:56
  Speaker 3: they could keep people in rhythm or anything like that,
• 2:15:59
  Speaker 3: because you got there's only.
• 2:16:00
  Speaker 1: One football to spread around.
• 2:16:01
  Speaker 2: As you well know, how do you keep the right
• 2:16:04
  Speaker 2: balance when you have a bunch of talented players?
• 2:16:08
  Speaker 9: I think, you know, the main thing is.
• 2:16:10
  Speaker 6: The locker room.
• 2:16:11
  Speaker 9: Having a really good locker room. You know, the best
• 2:16:14
  Speaker 9: teams always coincide with having a really good locker room,
• 2:16:19
  Speaker 9: which leads to having really good people and having really
• 2:16:21
  Speaker 9: good leadership. So, like you said, like you know, all
• 2:16:24
  Speaker 9: those guys that I played with, you know, all those
• 2:16:28
  Speaker 9: guys were unselfish. You know, the main thing was how
• 2:16:31
  Speaker 9: do we win games?
• 2:16:32
  Speaker 7: Right?
• 2:16:32
  Speaker 9: How do we put ourselves in positions to, uh, you know,
• 2:16:35
  Speaker 9: win as many games as we can so we can
• 2:16:37
  Speaker 9: get to where we wanted to get to. And you know,
• 2:16:41
  Speaker 9: this team this season, they seem like they had that
• 2:16:46
  Speaker 9: last year for sure, just from everything I could see
• 2:16:48
  Speaker 9: in the media. So we bring it back a lot
• 2:16:50
  Speaker 9: of those guys just you do some guys, but you
• 2:16:52
  Speaker 9: you have a lot of those guys that carry it over.
• 2:16:54
  Speaker 6: A lot of those guys.
• 2:16:55
  Speaker 9: Uh, you know, you pour that into the guys who
• 2:16:58
  Speaker 9: are going to be stepping up on both sides of
• 2:16:59
  Speaker 9: the ball as special teams. You know, that's the main thing.
• 2:17:03
  Speaker 9: So I don't think they are going to have an
• 2:17:07
  Speaker 9: issue with that. You know, that more so leans on
• 2:17:10
  Speaker 9: the offensive coaching staff on how they are going to
• 2:17:15
  Speaker 9: you know, get the ball into each guy's hands, what
• 2:17:19
  Speaker 9: game plan makes sense for dis opponent matchups, and things
• 2:17:22
  Speaker 9: of that nature. So you know, that's a it's a
• 2:17:25
  Speaker 9: good thing to have a lot of talent. Sometimes it
• 2:17:27
  Speaker 9: be a bad thing too, But I got the most
• 2:17:30
  Speaker 9: faith that this coaching staff will you know, be able
• 2:17:33
  Speaker 9: to get the most out of each and every guy,
• 2:17:35
  Speaker 9: winning the opportunities.
• 2:17:38
  Speaker 3: What do you think the most noticeable difference with Utah
• 2:17:41
  Speaker 3: football is going to be now that Kyle Whittingham is
• 2:17:43
  Speaker 3: not there and Morgan scally has taken over. Obviously, those
• 2:17:47
  Speaker 3: guys work together for almost twenty years. Coach With coached
• 2:17:51
  Speaker 3: Morgan Scally and was his main mentor in preparing him
• 2:17:56
  Speaker 3: for this opportunity as a first time head coach. So
• 2:18:00
  Speaker 3: I think there's gonna be a lot of similarities. We've
• 2:18:02
  Speaker 3: seen some things change already, but nothing overly drastic. Yet
• 2:18:06
  Speaker 3: once we get halfway through the season or through a
• 2:18:08
  Speaker 3: full season, what do you think will be the most
• 2:18:09
  Speaker 3: noticeable difference between Morgan Scalley's version of Utah football and
• 2:18:14
  Speaker 3: what we saw for twenty one years with Kyle Whittingham.
• 2:18:19
  Speaker 9: You know, does a hard question. Honestly, I just I
• 2:18:23
  Speaker 9: really don't know what it's going to be outright different.
• 2:18:26
  Speaker 9: I think the culture is going to be very similar,
• 2:18:33
  Speaker 9: you know, because obviously, like you said, coach Gotta played
• 2:18:35
  Speaker 9: in that coach for Coach Wig for all those years,
• 2:18:38
  Speaker 9: so you know that's part of his DNA, you know.
• 2:18:42
  Speaker 9: I think one thing that I would hope will change
• 2:18:45
  Speaker 9: is the type of passing game that we have. But
• 2:18:48
  Speaker 9: I think we'll be able to start seeing you know,
• 2:18:52
  Speaker 9: differences in it. It'll take a few years, but depending
• 2:18:55
  Speaker 9: on how we recruit quarterbacks, how we recruit, why I receives,
• 2:19:00
  Speaker 9: and how hard we go there to you know, kind
• 2:19:03
  Speaker 9: of get up the speed officially with everybody. When it
• 2:19:06
  Speaker 9: comes to the passing game, We've always been a really
• 2:19:09
  Speaker 9: good run run the ball first, and played great defense
• 2:19:11
  Speaker 9: behind that. But now the league, you know, it's football.
• 2:19:15
  Speaker 9: It's a lot different now. So you know, we got
• 2:19:18
  Speaker 9: some really great offensive minds and stuff like that. So
• 2:19:21
  Speaker 9: I think that would be the biggest difference is you know,
• 2:19:24
  Speaker 9: and I think Scaley has said it before, right, the
• 2:19:26
  Speaker 9: creativity and offense of even passing game and you know,
• 2:19:29
  Speaker 9: allow on some of those exposed to plays. That allows
• 2:19:31
  Speaker 9: the defense to also play a little bit more freely
• 2:19:33
  Speaker 9: when you have an offense that you believe can go
• 2:19:36
  Speaker 9: down the field, score in five for five, sixth place.
• 2:19:41
  Speaker 3: As a guy who just missed the nil era, right,
• 2:19:47
  Speaker 3: what's it like talking to the guys now, how different
• 2:19:51
  Speaker 3: is their decision making process their priorities then?
• 2:19:55
  Speaker 7: Then?
• 2:19:55
  Speaker 2: So, because you're the same age category, right, but they're
• 2:19:59
  Speaker 2: they're living in a different world than you and your
• 2:20:02
  Speaker 2: teammates did. They're they're dealing with an open transfer portal.
• 2:20:06
  Speaker 2: They're dealing with, you know, the ability to maximize name,
• 2:20:10
  Speaker 2: image and likeness, uh, to legally get money all that
• 2:20:13
  Speaker 2: kind of stuff. And so there's not a generation gap
• 2:20:16
  Speaker 2: between you and the guys that are making this money now,
• 2:20:20
  Speaker 2: but there is a rules gap between what you were
• 2:20:22
  Speaker 2: allowed to capitalize on in them. So is there a
• 2:20:25
  Speaker 2: big difference when you have an opportunity to get close
• 2:20:28
  Speaker 2: around the guys.
• 2:20:32
  Speaker 9: It's a difference for sure.
• 2:20:35
  Speaker 4: Uh.
• 2:20:35
  Speaker 9: You know, I think a lot of the guys that
• 2:20:38
  Speaker 9: are you know, in it right now, you know, they're
• 2:20:45
  Speaker 9: trying to make the most out of it. So you know,
• 2:20:47
  Speaker 9: I'm one of the players, Like you said, I missed
• 2:20:49
  Speaker 9: it by a year or two whatever it was there,
• 2:20:54
  Speaker 9: but I was very happy you know that the guys
• 2:20:58
  Speaker 9: are able to make you know, money off of their
• 2:21:00
  Speaker 9: names and things of that nature. So I think right now,
• 2:21:04
  Speaker 9: everybody you know on these teams currently the last two
• 2:21:08
  Speaker 9: or three years I've been around to some degree, they're
• 2:21:12
  Speaker 9: just trying to make a name for themselves, right. I
• 2:21:14
  Speaker 9: think the hard part is when you're when I'm around
• 2:21:15
  Speaker 9: like the high school kids, you know what I mean,
• 2:21:19
  Speaker 9: and I start seeing and hearing conversations and parents as well. Right,
• 2:21:23
  Speaker 9: it's almost as if, you know, for me, it was
• 2:21:27
  Speaker 9: always NFL or nothing, Right, it was a different type
• 2:21:30
  Speaker 9: of commitment level versus now these kids almost just want
• 2:21:39
  Speaker 9: to get to college, right, because you can make so
• 2:21:41
  Speaker 9: much money. A lot of these kids make more money
• 2:21:44
  Speaker 9: in college NFL players who can play you know, five
• 2:21:50
  Speaker 9: six years, depending on what type of contribution level they
• 2:21:54
  Speaker 9: have to their teams. They're not a big contract guy,
• 2:21:57
  Speaker 9: and they just kind of, you know, practice squad and
• 2:22:01
  Speaker 9: year by year kind of make the cut, right, Like
• 2:22:04
  Speaker 9: you can play eight years for a fat minimum, right
• 2:22:08
  Speaker 9: and get cut that in half, and you do a
• 2:22:11
  Speaker 9: lot of stuff with that.
• 2:22:12
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 2:22:12
  Speaker 9: Some of these kids can make two million dollars in
• 2:22:14
  Speaker 9: one year, right, depending on your talent level, school and
• 2:22:17
  Speaker 9: things of that nature. So I love it that they're
• 2:22:22
  Speaker 9: able to, you know, capitalize, because that's the other side
• 2:22:25
  Speaker 9: of it as well.
• 2:22:25
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 2:22:25
  Speaker 9: It's like, just because you play college football for three years,
• 2:22:29
  Speaker 9: four years, you could be a starter for three four years,
• 2:22:33
  Speaker 9: doesn't guarantee that you're going to go to the NFL
• 2:22:35
  Speaker 9: and make it to a second contract and play a
• 2:22:37
  Speaker 9: limpsy career, first of all, and who's to say you
• 2:22:42
  Speaker 9: don't get hurt in your third season in college? You
• 2:22:46
  Speaker 9: have a career any injury, but look now you've made
• 2:22:48
  Speaker 9: a lot of money instead of having to scramble right
• 2:22:52
  Speaker 9: as someone whose dreams got cut off. So it's a
• 2:22:54
  Speaker 9: lot of different outlooks you can have there. But you
• 2:22:59
  Speaker 9: know me, I just and happy that you know they're
• 2:23:01
  Speaker 9: able to make the money and hopefully they can kind
• 2:23:02
  Speaker 9: of get it to somewhat of a control so that way,
• 2:23:07
  Speaker 9: you know, everybody can benefit correctly.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's interesting to see all this like legislation that
• 2:23:13
  Speaker 3: people are trying to push forward, and can you compete
• 2:23:16
  Speaker 3: or can you not compete? Does your school have the
• 2:23:18
  Speaker 3: resources to make sure yes you share and yes you
• 2:23:21
  Speaker 3: pay players, but also that you can you know, keep
• 2:23:25
  Speaker 3: the rest of the athletic department healthy. It's a really
• 2:23:28
  Speaker 3: fascinating time and it keeps changing so rapidly. I can't
• 2:23:31
  Speaker 3: imagine what it's like to be a player or a
• 2:23:33
  Speaker 3: coach in this landscape. But of course all that goes
• 2:23:36
  Speaker 3: away when it's time to put on the pads and practice, right,
• 2:23:39
  Speaker 3: all that contract stuff and all that conversation fades into
• 2:23:43
  Speaker 3: the background when you're playing football, when you're back in
• 2:23:47
  Speaker 3: practice and you're back in camp, and give me camp
• 2:23:50
  Speaker 3: started today for the US, as you're well aware, give
• 2:23:53
  Speaker 3: me your your best and your worst memory of Utah
• 2:23:56
  Speaker 3: football camp.
• 2:24:00
  Speaker 9: Worst memory would definitely have to be, you know, my
• 2:24:02
  Speaker 9: first camp. You know, didn't have had no idea what
• 2:24:07
  Speaker 9: to expect, what it was going to look like, what
• 2:24:09
  Speaker 9: it was going to be, and all the six a
• 2:24:12
  Speaker 9: m workouts, six am wake ups, even on the off days, right,
• 2:24:16
  Speaker 9: you got to put your body in the best positions
• 2:24:19
  Speaker 9: to you know, feel your best. And that's hard when
• 2:24:24
  Speaker 9: you come fresh out of high school and you don't
• 2:24:26
  Speaker 9: really have that type of a routine, which I definitely
• 2:24:28
  Speaker 9: did not have.
• 2:24:29
  Speaker 4: At that time.
• 2:24:30
  Speaker 9: So that was probably the hardest, was the wake up part.
• 2:24:34
  Speaker 9: And it just shows you how much you actually care
• 2:24:36
  Speaker 9: and love this game that you're you want to play
• 2:24:38
  Speaker 9: in things of that nature. Best things was, you know,
• 2:24:41
  Speaker 9: obviously the best part about football outside of you know,
• 2:24:45
  Speaker 9: scoring touchdowns and make a highlight places and things of
• 2:24:48
  Speaker 9: that nature, is the guys you know in the locker room,
• 2:24:50
  Speaker 9: the time you spend with those people, the bonds you make,
• 2:24:53
  Speaker 9: and things of that nature. So you know, That was
• 2:24:55
  Speaker 9: the best part for me for sure, was you know,
• 2:24:59
  Speaker 9: being around on the guys is you know, it's two
• 2:25:01
  Speaker 9: three weeks of just uninterrupted everything is off, is all ball,
• 2:25:05
  Speaker 9: and you can't ask for nothing more than that. So,
• 2:25:08
  Speaker 9: you know, I think you know, it goes by fast.
• 2:25:11
  Speaker 9: That's the thing that truly does hold up that it
• 2:25:14
  Speaker 9: does build by fast. So you know, I think the
• 2:25:16
  Speaker 9: main thing is for guys to just you know, be
• 2:25:20
  Speaker 9: in the moment, appreciate, you know, what they're doing right now,
• 2:25:23
  Speaker 9: because you never know how long you get to do it,
• 2:25:25
  Speaker 9: and you know it's a blessing that you get to
• 2:25:28
  Speaker 9: do it and things of that nature. So just try
• 2:25:30
  Speaker 9: to be in the moment as much as you can
• 2:25:31
  Speaker 9: and enjoy everything that's going on.
• 2:25:33
  Speaker 1: All right, hypothetical hypothetical for you.
• 2:25:35
  Speaker 3: Let's pretend you're back in the Utah football uniform and
• 2:25:39
  Speaker 3: you could choose to have one of these seasons, all right.
• 2:25:41
  Speaker 1: You can have a season with.
• 2:25:44
  Speaker 2: One hundred carries for four hundred yards, but you score
• 2:25:48
  Speaker 2: eleven touchdowns, or or you can have two hundred carries
• 2:25:56
  Speaker 2: for twelve hundred yards but you score five touchdown.
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  Speaker 1: Which one you gonna take?
• 2:26:04
  Speaker 6: Uh, that's pretty good.
• 2:26:07
  Speaker 9: I probably would go with the two hund of carries.
• 2:26:12
  Speaker 9: That just means, you know, most likely we're throwing the
• 2:26:15
  Speaker 9: ball pretty good. Uh, and you know we're winning some
• 2:26:20
  Speaker 9: games being exposed to things of that nature. From that
• 2:26:22
  Speaker 9: part of it, I'll go with that, all right.
• 2:26:25
  Speaker 3: So more yards, fewer touchdowns is okay with you, as
• 2:26:27
  Speaker 3: long as you got to carry the ball, mark.
• 2:26:30
  Speaker 9: Yeah, as long as you get carried the ball, and
• 2:26:31
  Speaker 9: as long as somebody else is scorning, that's the wink, right.
• 2:26:34
  Speaker 9: As long as someone else is scorning too, that means
• 2:26:36
  Speaker 9: the past game is hopefully driving, all.
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  Speaker 1: Right, Zach, appreciate your time and your expertise. Man. I'm
• 2:26:45
  Speaker 1: sure we'll be seeing you around this season. Thank you.
• 2:26:47
  Speaker 6: Yeah, absolutely appreciate you, guys.
• 2:26:49
  Speaker 1: Zach Moss.
• 2:26:51
  Speaker 3: Uh, little bird tells me you're gonna see a little
• 2:26:53
  Speaker 3: more of him in and around Utah football this coming season.
• 2:26:58
  Speaker 3: So what that looks like to be determined, But I
• 2:27:02
  Speaker 3: think you're gonna get one of the all time greats
• 2:27:04
  Speaker 3: in the program back closer to the program with regularity
• 2:27:08
  Speaker 3: in this coming season. For those who forgot, forty five games,
• 2:27:14
  Speaker 3: seven hundred and twelve carries, four thousand and sixty seven
• 2:27:18
  Speaker 3: yards five point seven yards per carry. He scored thirty
• 2:27:22
  Speaker 3: eight touchdowns average ninety yards per game over his career
• 2:27:28
  Speaker 3: as a rusher. He also scored three receiving touchdowns and
• 2:27:33
  Speaker 3: was good for it was good for about uh ten
• 2:27:39
  Speaker 3: yards per reception. So we found a weakness, is what
• 2:27:42
  Speaker 3: you're saying. No, that's I mean, those are just ridiculous numbers.
• 2:27:46
  Speaker 3: And you're saying you're also saying for those who forgot,
• 2:27:49
  Speaker 3: you mean the people who benched him and start bench
• 2:27:52
  Speaker 3: cut last year benched and cut. Twenty seventeen, he scored
• 2:27:57
  Speaker 3: ten touchdowns. Twenty eighteen, he scored eleven touchdowns. Twenty nineteen,
• 2:28:01
  Speaker 3: he scored fifteen touchdowns. Three double digit touchdown seasons for
• 2:28:07
  Speaker 3: Zach Moss.
• 2:28:07
  Speaker 2: How when you get eighteen because that season was cut
• 2:28:09
  Speaker 2: short bying by injury in November, he still got in
• 2:28:12
  Speaker 2: a decent amount of times, right yeah. Eleven Yeah, eleven
• 2:28:16
  Speaker 2: touchdowns in nine games. You're right, you said that. Eleven
• 2:28:19
  Speaker 2: touchdowns in nine games. So yeah, that just a ridiculous
• 2:28:24
  Speaker 2: amount of production there, especially getting into the end zone.
• 2:28:28
  Speaker 2: You know, as they say a little nose for the
• 2:28:30
  Speaker 2: end zone there. For Zack Moss, year three and year
• 2:28:33
  Speaker 2: four in the program average six point one and six
• 2:28:36
  Speaker 2: point zero yards per carry, So keep an eye on
• 2:28:39
  Speaker 2: that average.
• 2:28:40
  Speaker 3: That way, Sean Parker was at six yards of carry
• 2:28:43
  Speaker 3: last year. If he can do it again, that's what
• 2:28:46
  Speaker 3: we're talking about here, that's what we're hoping for. That's
• 2:28:48
  Speaker 3: six yards of carry is pretty magical number. He did
• 2:28:51
  Speaker 3: not have the total that Zack Moss did. He did
• 2:28:55
  Speaker 3: not have the touchdowns Zach Moss had, but that six
• 2:28:57
  Speaker 3: yards per carry obviously helps out if you can keep
• 2:29:01
  Speaker 3: it consistent.
• 2:29:03
  Speaker 1: Towards his his goal of a thousand yards season this year.
• 2:29:07
  Speaker 2: Also, I got to think that his goal of topping
• 2:29:11
  Speaker 2: his fellow high school high school Davante Booker's single season
• 2:29:18
  Speaker 2: mark for Utah, which is not a single season rushing
• 2:29:21
  Speaker 2: record for Utah, but but he knows Davante personally, so
• 2:29:24
  Speaker 2: he knows Davante's best year as far as rushing yards go.
• 2:29:28
  Speaker 2: And he's he talking a big game last year. He's
• 2:29:31
  Speaker 2: going after that record. So you know, a thousand's just
• 2:29:34
  Speaker 2: the first goal, and then he wants to he wants
• 2:29:37
  Speaker 2: to beat the other utes great Davante Booker.
• 2:29:40
  Speaker 1: Fifteen and twelve.
• 2:29:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, this one twelve yards now Davante never averaged six
• 2:29:47
  Speaker 3: yards of carry, so.
• 2:29:49
  Speaker 1: He just got a ton of carries. He had almost
• 2:29:51
  Speaker 1: three hundred carries.
• 2:29:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and which probably that's over five yards of carries.
• 2:29:58
  Speaker 2: I was too Yeah it wasn't six, but it's still
• 2:30:00
  Speaker 2: still really good.
• 2:30:02
  Speaker 3: You remember they were coming off that year where he
• 2:30:05
  Speaker 3: had almost three hundred carries. Kyle Whittingham was like, why
• 2:30:09
  Speaker 3: not DeVante Booker for the Heisman conversation and then his
• 2:30:14
  Speaker 3: final season cuts short by an injury. So he's had
• 2:30:20
  Speaker 3: some good running backs double digit touchdowns both of Devonte's
• 2:30:24
  Speaker 3: years running the ball for.
• 2:30:25
  Speaker 1: The University of Utah. For those curious, all right.
• 2:30:28
  Speaker 2: One last segment we'll close it out is Spence check.
• 2:30:30
  Speaker 2: It's back in the saddle. Spence is back. All right,
• 2:30:33
  Speaker 2: maybe we'll see him. Maybe, little crosstalk coming. Shann O'Connell Show,
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  Speaker 3: Sean O'Connell Show wrapped the things up here on ESPN
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  Speaker 3: Spence check Its is next here on your home of
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  Speaker 3: the Utes football season is back.
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  Speaker 1: Utes are in camp.
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• 2:31:22
  Speaker 3: Utah football legend Zach Moss just barely. My question of
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  Speaker 3: the day eight seven seven three five three zero seven
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• 2:31:35
  Speaker 3: that you are paying closest attention to.
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  Speaker 1: In this football camp.
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  Speaker 3: Now, your insights are going to be limited, right, They're
• 2:31:44
  Speaker 3: not going to tell you things they don't want to
• 2:31:45
  Speaker 3: tell you, but there will be some sharing. Offensive line,
• 2:31:50
  Speaker 3: you have questions the safety position. While I think you're
• 2:31:54
  Speaker 3: in a good spot personnel wise, how does that actually look?
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  Speaker 3: Who's starting? Are they using in specific duties? Running back
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  Speaker 3: number two is an interesting one.
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  Speaker 2: The tight end spot came in on the text line
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  Speaker 2: For the position battle, you're most looking forward to watching
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  Speaker 2: wide receiver room. We keep hearing about the room. Hey,
• 2:32:19
  Speaker 2: this wide receiver room, this wide receiving core is as
• 2:32:22
  Speaker 2: good as we've had. Well, what about wide receiver, one
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  Speaker 3: What a pleasure to see you.
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  Speaker 10: I was just nervis says to whether or not the
• 2:33:01
  Speaker 10: key card was still going to work what I came
• 2:33:03
  Speaker 10: in today, But it did.
• 2:33:05
  Speaker 1: I was able to park walk in the building. That's good.
• 2:33:08
  Speaker 10: Getting some carpet cleaning done. It looks like some long
• 2:33:10
  Speaker 10: overdue carpet cleaning. But yeah, after a week off, it
• 2:33:14
  Speaker 10: good to be back, and good week to be back.
• 2:33:16
  Speaker 10: As campus is going, we always have these unofficial like
• 2:33:20
  Speaker 10: quote unquote start to the college football season Big twelve
• 2:33:24
  Speaker 10: Media Days, and then when camp gets here for me,
• 2:33:27
  Speaker 10: it finally feels real. Yeah, you know, Big twelve Media
• 2:33:30
  Speaker 10: Days gives us a lot to talk about depending on
• 2:33:33
  Speaker 10: who says what and there was a lot to talk about,
• 2:33:36
  Speaker 10: certainly as a result of that experience, but now we
• 2:33:39
  Speaker 10: can start to put the off season behind.
• 2:33:42
  Speaker 1: And you know, I was thinking about this this morning.
• 2:33:47
  Speaker 10: Because, look, I don't know about you, but when I'm away,
• 2:33:50
  Speaker 10: I disconnect, I put the phone away. I'm not trying
• 2:33:52
  Speaker 10: to keep tracking the news cycle. So I recorded, like
• 2:33:55
  Speaker 10: big ten media days. I wanted to hear wit Right
• 2:33:59
  Speaker 10: give his first kind of state of the Michigan address
• 2:34:02
  Speaker 10: as the head coach for Michigan, and he sounds exactly
• 2:34:05
  Speaker 10: the same, which is kind of wild. And it just
• 2:34:10
  Speaker 10: made me realize that we are now starting a college
• 2:34:13
  Speaker 10: football season after what feels like, in my opinion, an
• 2:34:18
  Speaker 10: unprecedented off season here locally. Obviously, December of last year
• 2:34:24
  Speaker 10: was the craziest month potentially we've had as a media
• 2:34:27
  Speaker 10: sports media ecosystem with Kyle. All the rumors with Kyle
• 2:34:31
  Speaker 10: ends with him in ann Arbor. Morgan gets the job,
• 2:34:33
  Speaker 10: he coaches the bull game. But we also thought, for
• 2:34:36
  Speaker 10: about forty eight hours Killanie was moving to college station
• 2:34:39
  Speaker 10: that he was going to go coach Penn.
• 2:34:40
  Speaker 1: State, and then who's following State college state college? Excuse me?
• 2:34:44
  Speaker 10: And then who's following Kyle Ann Arbor, which coaches which players,
• 2:34:46
  Speaker 10: And then over the course of like four or five days,
• 2:34:50
  Speaker 10: we hear all of these names, and then like panic
• 2:34:54
  Speaker 10: sets sets in for Utah fans with John Henry Day
• 2:34:58
  Speaker 10: and Smith Snowden and Jim Hardy and et cetera, et cetera,
• 2:35:00
  Speaker 10: et cetera. J Hill for byu leaving Kelly Popinga getting
• 2:35:05
  Speaker 10: the defensive coordinator job.
• 2:35:07
  Speaker 1: Who will these teams be able to retain?
• 2:35:11
  Speaker 10: And now we're starting this journey to finally get answers
• 2:35:14
  Speaker 10: And look, man, I don't know how you feel about
• 2:35:17
  Speaker 10: this upcoming season. I'm fine saying I don't know because
• 2:35:21
  Speaker 10: I don't and I think as the home of the Utes,
• 2:35:24
  Speaker 10: we want to propagate positive things.
• 2:35:26
  Speaker 1: And I believe in Morgan like you do.
• 2:35:28
  Speaker 10: But I'm not sitting here on August the third willing
• 2:35:31
  Speaker 10: to anoint or dismiss because I just think there are
• 2:35:34
  Speaker 10: so many things we don't know right now.
• 2:35:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm happy and very comfortable with I don't know.
• 2:35:39
  Speaker 2: There's an acceptable range for me in the I don't
• 2:35:42
  Speaker 2: know space where like I don't know eight wins is
• 2:35:46
  Speaker 2: still acceptable for me. I don't know ten wins is
• 2:35:49
  Speaker 2: a smash hit I don't know, six wins and I'm
• 2:35:53
  Speaker 2: going like, oh crap, what happened here? Because the way
• 2:35:57
  Speaker 2: the schedule pencils out in the way that your roster
• 2:36:01
  Speaker 2: still looks even after some departures, for my money, like
• 2:36:06
  Speaker 2: you should be at that threshold of like, hey, we
• 2:36:08
  Speaker 2: got a really solid season. This is good building block,
• 2:36:11
  Speaker 2: something to start off with and then hopefully get better
• 2:36:14
  Speaker 2: from there. But yeah, the I don't know thing is
• 2:36:17
  Speaker 2: the correct assessment because we don't we have a good
• 2:36:21
  Speaker 2: idea of what Morgan is able to do when he
• 2:36:24
  Speaker 2: has weapons at his disposal. We saw him in a
• 2:36:26
  Speaker 2: bowl game, right that was a really good offensive line,
• 2:36:29
  Speaker 2: but not a fully stocked offensive line. You had an
• 2:36:33
  Speaker 2: incredibly productive day that day for Devin Dan Pierre and company.
• 2:36:37
  Speaker 1: Like, hopefully that's what it looks like this fall.
• 2:36:40
  Speaker 2: And if it does, if that is what you get
• 2:36:42
  Speaker 2: for Morgan's Scalley coach team, that's a really good team. Yeah,
• 2:36:46
  Speaker 2: some of that personnel is gone, so I don't know
• 2:36:50
  Speaker 2: is totally acceptable.
• 2:36:51
  Speaker 10: Well, And the reason I like to kind of set
• 2:36:54
  Speaker 10: expectations across the marketplace, at least for the people to
• 2:36:57
  Speaker 10: listen to the station, is that if you just in
• 2:37:00
  Speaker 10: the space of curiosity and leave your mind open to possibility.
• 2:37:05
  Speaker 10: Then when you're pleasantly surprised, it feels a lot better
• 2:37:07
  Speaker 10: because I'll take you the last offseason, Jason Beck gets hired.
• 2:37:11
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 2:37:12
  Speaker 10: I don't know if the guy can call plays in
• 2:37:14
  Speaker 10: the big twelve he's been in New Mexico.
• 2:37:15
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 2:37:16
  Speaker 10: Devin Dampier are twelve touchdown passes, twelve picks? Can he
• 2:37:19
  Speaker 10: play quarterback in the big time?
• 2:37:20
  Speaker 6: I don't know.
• 2:37:20
  Speaker 2: There was a good chunk of I don't know, like
• 2:37:24
  Speaker 2: people were disappointed though, yes, and there's a good chunk
• 2:37:27
  Speaker 2: of people like Jason Beck right right right, New Mexico.
• 2:37:30
  Speaker 1: But there were also a good chunk of people that
• 2:37:32
  Speaker 1: are like, this is a home run.
• 2:37:33
  Speaker 10: Higher man, tell you what I've been watching Devin Dampier taper, No,
• 2:37:37
  Speaker 10: you haven't, And then you leave you leave it open.
• 2:37:40
  Speaker 10: I don't know, and you're pleasantly surprised, and it's the
• 2:37:42
  Speaker 10: second best rushing attack in the country, and I still,
• 2:37:47
  Speaker 10: I still, and I've heard you say this. Utah football
• 2:37:50
  Speaker 10: had a really good season last year. I think a
• 2:37:53
  Speaker 10: lot of people just forgot because they lost to BYU
• 2:37:56
  Speaker 10: and they lost a tech the two games that they
• 2:37:57
  Speaker 10: really needed to get, and then the off season was
• 2:38:00
  Speaker 10: so chaotic that it lost in the shuffle is I
• 2:38:04
  Speaker 10: don't know where I would put that as withs coaching.
• 2:38:06
  Speaker 10: Maybe a top four or five coaching job. But they
• 2:38:08
  Speaker 10: won ten games. It was a good season, yeah, you know,
• 2:38:12
  Speaker 10: And so the expectations he set. I'm sure Morgan is
• 2:38:15
  Speaker 10: bullish believing that he will meet and then set his
• 2:38:18
  Speaker 10: own expectation. But I think it's very reasonable to expect
• 2:38:22
  Speaker 10: this season some games that fans are going to be
• 2:38:25
  Speaker 10: a little bit frustrated about and wonder whether or not
• 2:38:28
  Speaker 10: this is the right direction, because that's what fans do.
• 2:38:31
  Speaker 1: So I don't know about you. I'm just going to
• 2:38:33
  Speaker 1: do my best to preach patients.
• 2:38:35
  Speaker 10: I'm not going to put my stamp on this thing
• 2:38:37
  Speaker 10: with anything that I don't know for sure, because there
• 2:38:39
  Speaker 10: are so many things that we don't know about Kevin mcgiven.
• 2:38:42
  Speaker 1: Maybe, but I don't know.
• 2:38:43
  Speaker 10: And if he's able to replicate seventy to eighty percent
• 2:38:47
  Speaker 10: of what Jason did last year with a historically special
• 2:38:51
  Speaker 10: group up front, that would feel like a win to me.
• 2:38:54
  Speaker 10: The rush defense at the end of last season was atrocious,
• 2:38:57
  Speaker 10: everybody says, oh, you just assume Utahs defense is going
• 2:38:59
  Speaker 10: to be good. Did you watch the Case State game
• 2:39:01
  Speaker 10: like or the Cants like they got ran over a
• 2:39:04
  Speaker 10: few times last year? Like, there are some things that
• 2:39:07
  Speaker 10: need to be fixed before we talk about this team
• 2:39:09
  Speaker 10: as a potential Big twelve championship contender.
• 2:39:11
  Speaker 2: The more there are more two hundred yard rushers in
• 2:39:14
  Speaker 2: those two games against Utah defense that in the decade previously.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was wild.
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  Speaker 10: Look, it helped that Utah was able to run the
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  Speaker 10: other way just fine, and that added to the dynamic.
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  Speaker 10: But I think they finished eighth, seventh or eighth in
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  Speaker 10: the conference last year in rushing defense. Like, that's not
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  Speaker 10: going to be good enough. That's not what Morgan wants.
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  Speaker 10: So I think there are plenty of questions that deserve
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  Speaker 10: to be asked. And then, like you, I will give
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  Speaker 10: Morgan the benefit of the doubt because I believe that
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  Speaker 10: he is the guy for this time. But you just
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  Speaker 10: lost one of the top ten college football coaches in
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  Speaker 10: the country. He's coaching in in Arburn. Now, it's only
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  Speaker 10: an expectation that it might not look the same right away,
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  Speaker 10: and hopefully eventually it doesn't only look the same but
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  Speaker 10: it looks better, but it might take some time.
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  Speaker 1: That's fine.
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