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Bowhunting success secrets | Fixing target panic · The Bow Disciples Podcast

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  Does Finn look kind of badass right there?
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  Finn does look badass. I love Finn.
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  We got Finn in here. A baby in here.
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  Brianna, of course. Hey, are we matching shirts?
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  Oh, we. Are look at that.
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  Got all the things. Well, I guess the sponsor of the
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  pod has to be Gaspo Strings and Victory.
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  You got the hat on. So Victory and Gaspo Strings
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  today sponsor. What do you think about that?
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  It's perfect. So wait.
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  And Hunter's choice Archery. Hunter's Choice archery as well.
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  So we got 3 guests right now. We got Finn Legend looks like a
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  collared peckery. We got Peyton just holding it
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  down looking very cute. And my guy friend of the show
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  for a long time, Mr. Taylor. Yes Sir, finally made it.
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  How you doing pal? Good, good.
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  Made it out here. You come up from San Diego.
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  Yeah. Made the trip to the Heat.
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  Yeah, yeah. Going to do a little shooting.
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  Oh, I can't wait for shooting. So we're going to play the
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  archery games, which I don't think you've played.
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  You've seen the faces, but you haven't played them.
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  Are you looking forward to the games?
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  As long as I shoot, all right. Decided to bow in right now so
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  it should be good. At least I have an excuse.
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  If it fits at chips, that's what I always say.
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  Yes. It's a quote from Nostradamus
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  actually, but. I know him.
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  Yeah, I read it. I read it so our.
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  Guests left already. Our guests left.
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  Yeah, he did. So Brianna and I, Brianna and I
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  are sharing a mic. So.
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  But here's the thing, right? I walked in the house, I see
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  this beautiful bison mount. OK, and it's your first time
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  seeing it. But the kicker is that we
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  actually filmed the whole hunt for the channel of his bison
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  hunt. It's your first time seeing it.
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  What do you think of the mount? It is large, it is large.
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  I don't think you ever get a good visual for how large they
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  are in videos. I like that moose we saw today
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  at Victory. Just same thing with a bison.
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  Just ginormous animals. And he's actually a lot softer,
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  though I'm sure they probably did some cleaning of his.
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  Probably. Shampooed down a little bit.
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  But he's much softer than I thought, You know, that hair is
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  going to be like real wiry feeling.
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  It's very soft. It's very nice.
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  Now here's the thing I want to discuss is I do want to get into
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  the bison hunt, OK? I feel like we need to do that.
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  It looks like such a. Tough hunt.
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  Yeah. Yeah, it actually.
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  Strenuous. I will say it was our, I will
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  say this. I thought I thought it was going
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  to be easier than it was to be, to be honest, going into it.
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  But I want to talk about is your arrow set up?
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  OK? So we're going on a bison hunt.
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  Large animal, not high fence. This is a free range bison.
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  Yes. OK, Why don't you tell me the
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  bow poundage, draw length, arrow weight and broadhead choice.
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  Go ahead and break it down for me.
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  So I kept the kind of basic on that whole deal.
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  I didn't like really look into the whole heavy arrow, fixed
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  blade broadhead. I just figured kind of shoot
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  what I always do. And I think I was at 70 lbs,
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  four hundred, 410 or 20 grains and a Grim Reaper expandable on
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  a base. A couple of them did a trick.
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  That's wild. Yeah.
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  I would never get away with that.
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  I'm I'm like over here, got a cater to every type of animal
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  I'm shooting to to make sure it'll work.
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  And it just goes out the door with the same old, same old.
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  That's wild. Well, I would do the same thing.
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  I would do the same thing. But here, here's what I think is
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  interesting about that though, is because for a while and and
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  granted, I think. You're sweating so bad, Real.
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  Quick. Well, it's hot.
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  It's 90°. But nervous.
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  Look, I am nervous. A little nervous today.
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  Yeah, I don't know. I don't know.
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  I'm just you're like. Pouring.
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  Sweat it's OK. I'm I'm I'm it's cardio.
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  Did you also? Wet your hair or is that?
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  Also, I did wet my hair, yes I wanted to be sure I.
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  Kind of like how he's he's doing that he's passing me the mic,
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  but he also gave. Me, he has a mic.
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  See, I need to only hold the mic in the left hand and the
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  beverage in the right. But here's the thing that I
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  think is interesting. So I think the novelty of a
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  heavy arrow in a single bevel I think has faded a little bit
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  from when that was like super popular and looked at as like
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  what you had to do. But at that time, when you shot
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  that bison, what was that, 2020? 3/20/23 Yeah.
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  I mean dude I feel like that was peak heavy arrow single bevel
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  time. Did you even think about it at
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  all ahead of time? Like oh maybe this is 2 likes
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  everyone says it's going to bounce off of?
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  Like, was that even a thought? That crossed your head.
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  Well, I mean, everyone, everyone kind of said like, you know, one
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  of those, one of those deals where you had to shoot the 600
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  grand arrow that the two blade deal.
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  And I was kind of in the mindset like whatever I'm comfortable
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  with, you know, it's going to, it's going to kill you, make a
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  good shot. And that's what I kind of rolled
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  with. Didn't want to change anything
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  up really. And I'm fortunate to have a
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  little bit heavier, heavier poundage or 70 lbs, a little bit
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  longer draw length. So I could probably get away
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  with a little more. So 30 that was 30.
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  That's, that's lovely. It's nice, but.
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  It's long. We got a new test coming because
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  my cousin Chad drew a, he drew the kind of the same tag, Utah
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  Bison. He's got a 28 inch straw, little
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  bit less poundage, so we're going to test it out again this
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  year. Are you going to?
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  So that's a good question. Is he going to run a similar
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  setup or is he going to switch it up and do the single bevel a
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  little heavier? So his plan right now I think is
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  to he's going to shoot about the same arrow weight, maybe a
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  little bit heavier, like 440 or something like that.
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  He's going to either shoot the beast or Grim Reaper so.
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  If he Yeah. So Brandon McDonald actually had
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  a take that I think is pretty, pretty reasonable.
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  He was saying that he thinks it matters less on, I guess,
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  broadhead makeup and more so on cut size.
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  Brandon's thought is that a smaller broadhead, like if you
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  were to say shoot an inch and 1/4 expandable, it would
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  penetrate a lot better than like a 2.5 inch expandable because
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  there's so much less drag width wise, which I think kind of
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  makes sense. So if he's gonna run the IT.
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  Absolutely does like the kinetic energy you're gonna lose the
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  second that thing opens up. I mean, you gotta think like all
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  of a sudden boom, 2 1/2 inches are popping up like slowing down
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  the arrow that's more width facing against the air that it's
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  pushing toward vice a inch and a quarter.
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  Like there's just less like that.
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  Just that makes lots of sense. Less where you're going and I
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  mean I that so the grim reapers that I use are the engine 3
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  eights, so they're pretty small even like when they're deployed,
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  you know, so I guess it's a little bit better than like
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  shooting a a real big head or but again, like the beast.
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  I mean that's a pretty big head, but the blades move a little bit
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  so or they they do that the blades individually move or
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  something. I think it's because they're.
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  Spring loaded so like each one can give without like, you know,
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  fully going back in because we just talked about this on a pod
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  that's not out yet. But when you snap a blade on
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  like a sever or something in a sever is a good head, but it'll
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  it's it works off rotation. So if one blade snaps, then the
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  other one goes into the feral and you're not cutting anything.
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  The beast you can snap one side clean off and because it's
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  spring loaded the other side will still stay fully deployed.
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  So it still does a deal. I think Grim Reapers the same
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  way because they deploy backwards I think, right?
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  Don't they deploy like? Yeah, yeah.
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  So they they fold over the top. So even if one snap, they'll
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  still be back. Yeah, they'll still stay back.
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  And that's what I like about those heads is there's really no
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  if they deploy, you know, when your quiver or anything and flip
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  them back over. And it's been pretty seamless.
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  Me and all my buddies been using those and they were good but my
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  cousin's Chad's probably going to use the beast I think.
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  Well, let them have them. Have them swing by my place.
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  Maybe I got a little something. For him, yeah, you got a party
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  favor. For him I might.
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  I might so. Party favors.
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  Why don't why don't you ask a guest question to our guest of
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  honor here? Me and Peyton are just kind of
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  having our own pod. We're just making faces at each
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  other. So yeah, it's a separate pod.
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  If you just don't listen to YouTube talk the whole time and
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  just watch me and Peyton, it's our own whole thing.
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  We got going. So it's kind of a duel.
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  Some tongue action a second ago. She was.
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  That's a new thing. She's learning things every day.
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  So you're speaking in tongues like a religious thing or what?
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  No, it's more like baby talk. Yeah, OK.
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  It's a whole different. Ball game, Yeah, All right.
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  Well then I'll I'll. Wiggle.
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  Well then I'll hop into it. So Taylor here is maybe the
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  luckiest drawer of tags possibly of all time.
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  Except for this year, apparently.
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  Yes, this year I didn't have so much luck.
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  But generally very good. Now what is the secret?
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  What can the viewers take from this podcast to draw more tags?
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  You just got to put in. That's it.
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  As many as you can. You can't win if you don't play,
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  basically. That's it.
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  That's it. Just got to kind of try to throw
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  your name in everywhere and do what you.
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  Can I've come to understand as you and James have your phone
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  calls is try to get the largest credit card possible and Max it
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  out every hunting season and and then hope that you don't draw
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  them all so you don't have such a large credit card debt And I
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  hope that maybe you draw one or two.
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  That's pretty much what I tell Robin.
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  I tell her I said don't worry about it, It's all coming back.
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  And if it doesn't this month, if it doesn't come back, we got
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  lucky, you know, so. Yeah, exactly.
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  It's it's a win, win. Look at it.
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  Yeah, it is true, though I mean back.
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  Every time James goes to put in. Bro I think just.
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  That what? Yeah, just in New Mexico, I
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  think it was like 88 grand or something.
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  Yeah. As part of like kind of the deal
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  over there, really it's to put in for everything I think
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  sometimes even more. Yeah, but I think it's worth it.
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  I mean, as long as you can. Maybe it's not for everybody,
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  but you know, started from the bottom, you know, so.
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  Like, but yeah, Tobe's going this year.
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  I mean correct, had to put in. He only applied for three things
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  in New Mexico as well. He applied for deer, maybe only
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  two. It might have just been deering
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  out, but yeah, just pulled it. Couldn't believe it.
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  And he drew elk in 2020. So it's a testament that, you
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  know, that's part of the benefit of doing the lottery system is
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  only five years apart as a non res.
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  He drew great units. Yeah.
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  I mean just as long as you're in and you know some decent units
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  or something and maximize trying to, you know, get out there,
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  it's going to be you're not anymore.
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  It's so hard to draw, you know, you can put in for.
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  I put in for, I don't even know. I think 6-7 states maybe, you
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  know, and like this year I got nothing but.
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  That's why my main goal, my main goal is to just keep getting
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  more rich so then I can buy landowner tags.
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  Which is also good, Yeah. Which I would also do.
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  Yeah, James. Had a, you know, he thought like
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  with, with this clout that's been growing, you know, he'd get
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  some people reaching out, like offering him some stuff and
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  whatnot and which has happened. But he had one recently reached
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  out and he's like, oh, this is yeah, I'll go on, I'll go like,
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  you know, Guy replies to him. It was a what?
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  A reservation hunt in New Mexico or Arizona.
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  Arizona. Arizona and James like just take
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  a guess, like how much like this discounted price was because
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  it's not free. I don't know, 20,000, you know,
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  just knowing that it's a reservation, it's probably
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  pretty steep, James. It was like 24 or something, but
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  I mean, I it's normally, I did think about it.
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  Like James, like it's normally like AI don't know, somewhere
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  between like maybe an 80 or $100,000.
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  I'm like, who? Yeah.
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  Who spends that much money? I mean, that's like.
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  A lot of people. Very nice used vehicles.
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  There's a lot of people that do, though.
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  I mean, yeah, you know. Crazy about that deal is there's
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  people paying it, you know, like in the I always laugh because
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  people give a lot of crap to someone, you know, going to pay
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  that money. They go shoot a bowl on the
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  reservation or whatever and. It's like you would do the same.
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  I'll do it. If I had that money, I'd be
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  lying. Yeah, for sure.
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  Probably still would I'll. Be going.
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  But but it's just when you think about how much it is like that's
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  6000 less dollars than my whole truck costs.
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  My vehicle that gets me around day-to-day costs as much as that
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  one tag does. That 1/5 day opportunity.
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  You know, it's not a lifetime of use.
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  It's not up to 200,000 miles. It's five days.
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  You better enjoy file. Like if you crunch that down,
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  divide 24 by 5. Like I can't do that math with
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  that's almost 5000 a day. And that's the discounted price,
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  you know, But hey, but the people doing that, you know,
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  they got more money than time. So more power of the two of
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  them, you know for sure. Oh my God.
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  Did you see the one Jimmy John's just got?
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  The Jimmy John's guy just got in Arizona?
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  Holy moly. That's some big snicker, huh I?
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  Don't know much about that guy, but what?
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  The elk was big snicker. Yeah, the elk is What are you
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  talking about? The elk, of course, is a big
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  snicker. Yeah, now a velvet too.
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  I love a. Velvet Bowl.
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  Oh yeah. And like that guy was one of
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  those deals. I mean, I don't know him.
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  He might be nice guy, might be not a nice guy, but I mean, he's
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  buying those tags. And I think it might be the last
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  year they've been doing in Arizona, the governor's tags.
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  But he puts that money and then he has all those Outfitters.
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  You know that? They get employed by it that are
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  getting paid and then that money goes to a good cause.
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  Yep. And when you think about it like
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  you just think how busy that the dude may be, rich as all get
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  out, but how busy his day-to-day life is.
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  She's out by Payton. Payton's gone.
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  She's had enough. We have an exit on the podcast
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  right now. We have a we, I I, I pissed her
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  off and she walked off set. It's the first time we've had a
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  guest leave mid pod. I also got my my flip flop
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  nipped by the dog. So like, I'm in all sorts of
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  drama over here. But but yeah, I mean, I think
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  that's the biggest thing is like all the money is going into
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  helping the wildlife. Like it's only a good thing.
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  And it's like, I do agree a lot of it stems from jealousy when
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  guys get to hunt like premiere stuff every year.
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  It's like, yeah, well, I mean, they put themselves in a
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  position to do it, you know, and it is what it is.
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  I don't think that's a bad thing.
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  Well. It goes back to that.
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  That's what I was saying is that time factor, like you know how
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  you used to not so much anymore, but used to get a lot of those
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  comments like must be nice. Like must be nice to have your
• 14:41
  own schedule and make your own schedule and have all that time
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  off. Like, sure, but you chose, you
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  know, putting in the time and effort to get to a point where
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  you could do that. It's just all choices.
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  And like that dude probably works day in and day out and
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  like, sometimes you don't like when you get to that point in
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  life, you don't have the time to go spend a week scouting
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  beforehand and you know, 27 days to sit your, you know, your tree
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  stand, like you got one day to fly in and fly out.
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  But if you enjoy hunting that much and you have the money to
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  do it and fly in and fly out, like hey, the money goes to a
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  good cause. So.
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  For it, I saw actually one of the things with I thought it was
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  pretty cool and I don't think it was this bowl.
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  It was one of the ones that the Jimmy John guy, you know, and
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  again, I don't know him or whatever, but one thing I heard
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  was pretty cool. People were like reposting in it
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  or I saw it on YouTube or something and it was when they
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  walked up to one of these bowls that he killed.
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  And I know he like got a lot of shit or got a lot of crap for
• 15:44
  like having so many guides there and whatnot.
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  You know, like one of the first things he said or one of the
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  first things they showed, like he rolled up and he picks his
• 15:52
  bull up, you know, and he said on camera, like thanks to all
• 15:55
  these guys, they're they're the killers, you know, or, or
• 15:58
  whatever, they're the real hunters.
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  I've. Seen that?
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  I mean I got a which is a pretty every.
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  Video I got to thank James right I don't think I would have
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  gotten in there without the person out in front for 3/4 of
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  the stock you know maybe sometimes now on a lesser smart.
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  But that, hey, that's, that's another whole topic, you know,
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  like shooting animals, whatever it may be, like whether it's in
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  the desert or, or any sort of sort of open country, you know,
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  like someone's going after an animal who you're with is half
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  the deal, you know? Yeah, It's not like, I mean,
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  doing a solos, well, once you get down there, you know, in a
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  lot of places, I mean, you're pretty much helpless, you know,
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  unless you got hand signals or radios.
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  We use radios, you know, where it's legal, what not.
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  But but like it's one of those things if you don't have
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  somebody who's reliable whether on the hill or, or wherever,
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  wherever you're getting hand signals from or whatnot, I mean
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  you're nothing so. Yeah, we've talked about all the
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  times where like, things have gone like a little awry because
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  like whoever's glass and loses it or whatnot and it, it just,
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  it gets a lot harder. So like, if you can use any sort
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  of communication, like James does it, he says he used to, but
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  I'm for gonna have an earpiece. I'd have an earpiece in and have
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  the person glassing with another one.
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  Like if it's legal, especially if you're just trying to learn,
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  like if it's legal, if it fits, it ships, you know?
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  For me sometimes it's almost too much information nowadays
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  though. I think that comes with the
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  level of skill. I do like information for sure,
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  but like I have done a few even in that desert open terrain
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  where there is just me like solo by myself and I there's
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  something sweeter about when you pull that off because like you
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  said, it's so hard to do like this one time I I'd freaking it
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  was like an 8 hour day of me trying to bed this buck down and
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  I did and it was like super, super hot and I get out there
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  and like like you said, everything looks the same when
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  you're on the ground and I'm like a mile away from where I
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  glass from. I can see the truck up there
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  where I hiked from, you know what I mean?
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  But and lo and behold, get right to him, pipe them at 24, you
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  know, and like, I don't know, nowadays when IA lot of times
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  when I'll do stocks, I'll have a glasser and like, like you said,
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  if it's legal, someone texted me if there's service, but a lot of
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  times I don't really want them to tell me anything unless
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  something changed. Does that make sense that that's
• 18:31
  so if something moves a little like let me know, But or but
• 18:35
  other than that, I prefer to just kind of like have my mind
• 18:39
  be like free thinking, you know what I mean?
• 18:42
  Yeah, I mean, I see, I see both sides of it.
• 18:44
  Like I got buddies in Arizona that they will like to the
• 18:48
  death. They won't use anything other
• 18:50
  than hand signals, you know, and they're really proficient at it.
• 18:52
  Like they're bad dudes with the hand signals.
• 18:55
  But like it all depends on I mean, if you don't have somebody
• 18:59
  with you, you hunt with every day, you know, radios are going
• 19:01
  to be the thing and end of the country too.
• 19:03
  Like if you're, if you're down the desert floor, I mean,
• 19:06
  without radios, I don't care who you are, you can't, there's too
• 19:09
  much stuff that looks the same, you know, but like you're in the
• 19:12
  country, like more rolling terrain or, or hunting some big
• 19:15
  bowls or basins, you know, you can really like use a landmark
• 19:18
  and at least have a better shot, you know, but I learned from
• 19:22
  those guys in Arizona actually wouldn't when I they started
• 19:26
  teaching me this is about spot and stock, you know, whatever it
• 19:29
  was 10 or 12 years ago and they were the hand signal only guys.
• 19:32
  And like, I'm looking at them like this is impossible, dude.
• 19:36
  I can hardly even see. I can't see the hand signals,
• 19:38
  but I'll say that. So Brianna and I actually, we
• 19:41
  just did a hunt and we, we ended up doing some hand signals.
• 19:45
  I couldn't see like what you want the binoculars, I'd pull
• 19:48
  them up. But what was interesting is in
• 19:50
  my head, I'm like, I can't see what she's doing.
• 19:52
  I can see she's doing something, but like I can't really like
• 19:55
  make the details. But it ended up working.
• 19:59
  I got her signals like what I thought she meant and then I
• 20:02
  would like make a little adjustment.
• 20:04
  It ended up being dead on well. For you, because it's it's a
• 20:07
  much more simplified form of commute.
• 20:12
  Like you can communicate so little amount of information
• 20:15
  with the hand signal. Like you cannot overcomplicate
• 20:18
  it with like whether it's radios or whatnot with like more
• 20:23
  information. It's just as simple as like this
• 20:26
  way, this way, stop. You know, you know, up or
• 20:30
  whatever you use for your hand signals.
• 20:32
  Like you get 1 to 2 words that you could compute out of what
• 20:37
  you see. Whereas like a radio, someone
• 20:40
  could go on and on and you're like, OK, stop talking.
• 20:43
  Yeah, you can get, you can get way too much information.
• 20:46
  That's like one of the things that we learned, you know, like
• 20:48
  my buddies that I hunt with now and, and have for a long time,
• 20:52
  like I mean, over the years they've had it dialed in, you
• 20:56
  know, and I just keep kind of learning more and more about how
• 20:59
  it is. You definitely say too much
• 21:00
  stuff, you know, But it's one of those things like, it doesn't
• 21:04
  really change the hunt for me. And I look at it like when we're
• 21:07
  within a couple 100 yards, you know, and you get a general
• 21:10
  landmark and you're back in the game, it's like, hey, I'm done.
• 21:13
  I'm good, yeah. You know where it's at.
• 21:14
  It's time to, you know, hunt and go kill him.
• 21:16
  It's funny. Seeing like James and his dad
• 21:18
  communicate because it's so little, but it's 20 plus years
• 21:23
  of hunting together in that, you know, type of area and that type
• 21:27
  of terrain and that style of hunting that like they just so
• 21:34
  each other's language and what needs to be said and what
• 21:36
  doesn't. So it's very interesting when
• 21:39
  like, say we bring a new person with us or something and and
• 21:45
  James has gotten to the point where he's like, hey, look,
• 21:47
  you're either going to listen to what I'm going to say or like
• 21:51
  this isn't going to work. And it sounds very rude, but
• 21:54
  it's very true. You know, like I would say 9
• 21:59
  times out of 10, James is going to get you within 100 yards of
• 22:03
  the animal. It's up to you if you blow it or
• 22:05
  not after that, or if like me, just gets tired of taking me.
• 22:09
  He's like you're on your own go. Well, no, whenever.
• 22:12
  So basically we just did a hunt and I, I sent her the last
• 22:15
  little bit on herself. But it wasn't because I was
• 22:17
  tired of you, it was because you're you're annoying.
• 22:19
  No, it was a pretty rough few days for.
• 22:22
  No, I I just picked up some text I got from you.
• 22:24
  What are you talking about? Yeah.
• 22:25
  It's because your noise is half, that's why.
• 22:27
  And I and I also knew I'd have a good film angle from behind.
• 22:30
  That's all there is to it. I'll.
• 22:31
  Say that stuff was extremely loud and just being like a a,
• 22:34
  you know, bigger human than me, like it causes more crunch.
• 22:38
  Like the less noise you can make going in there, the better.
• 22:41
  And sometimes it is frustrating, like always sending to in just
• 22:45
  because you're like, I already know this is going to be louder
• 22:48
  for James. It's like I already know I need
• 22:49
  to go slower because she's not near as fast as tall, you know,
• 22:53
  as long legs. If it's a sometimes you want to
• 23:00
  just go by yourself, like because you really don't want to
• 23:04
  blow it. But at the same time, for me on
• 23:07
  the opposite end, it's like, no, there's way more knowledge here
• 23:10
  of like a lot of Times Now he'll let me go out, not let me, but
• 23:14
  he'll, you know, I'll walk out in front of my own stock and
• 23:17
  make my own choices. And if he, you know, once in a
• 23:20
  while now thinks that's a poor choice, just a little tap on the
• 23:23
  shoulder like this way more or. Whatever it is, but every time
• 23:27
  you're probably learning and, you know, like every mistake you
• 23:29
  make. And I mean, even with him having
• 23:31
  someone like that to show you whoever it may be, like you have
• 23:33
  James, you know, Yeah, I've had a bunch of different people.
• 23:36
  And like, noise isn't like the worst thing in the world on a
• 23:42
  stock, right? I think it's more so timing you.
• 23:43
  Need to believe that. It's timing of it, I think, you
• 23:46
  know, like because there's noise all the time, you know, like out
• 23:49
  there. It's just really timing more so
• 23:51
  than anything, like I think having someone like James or
• 23:54
  someone more experienced, you know, like, than me, I love
• 23:57
  having someone like, hey, what do you think?
• 23:58
  What do you think I should do right here?
• 24:00
  How do you think I should do it? You know, and if you take a
• 24:02
  route that somebody else recommended, it might have been
• 24:05
  better than yours. You know, it might have a little
• 24:07
  more noise. Yeah, it's not even like a,
• 24:10
  because I think a lot of people could look at it like, oh, well,
• 24:12
  if it doesn't work out like they told you to do it like you feel
• 24:15
  a little better. I don't think it's anything to
• 24:17
  do with that. I think it's mostly like, I like
• 24:19
  having that like dialogue one, it keeps the, the sometimes
• 24:24
  there's some tension when it gets to the end if it doesn't
• 24:26
  work out, but it keeps the tension almost down a little bit
• 24:31
  throughout the stock because like you're not so focused on
• 24:36
  like what's at the end of it. It's just like you and that
• 24:38
  person discussing how you're going to get there kind of keeps
• 24:42
  it calmer almost in a way to me. And plus you do learn like if he
• 24:50
  sends me a different route than I would have taken, like some
• 24:53
  something, we're just going to go straight there.
• 24:56
  Like, yeah, the wind would be after that.
• 24:57
  Brianna, that's not happening or you know, and it's worked out in
• 25:02
  times that like say this last one, that dare did not work out
• 25:07
  for me, but the stock did. And I as many times as we bumped
• 25:13
  like these javelina and then the deer themselves, I was like, I
• 25:16
  would have turned around a long time ago and we were so far
• 25:19
  away. I would just turn around and
• 25:20
  walk back and I'm like, we're not getting to these deer.
• 25:23
  And he just, you know, I said, Nope, we're going to keep going.
• 25:24
  We're going to go right here. There they all are.
• 25:28
  Just ended up hanging out and didn't work out but.
• 25:33
  Yeah, I mean, I, I think that like you have to be hunting with
• 25:37
  somebody, you know, that like you guys can all bounce
• 25:40
  information off of or, or, or ideas off of.
• 25:43
  And it's funny, I always laugh like the people I think that you
• 25:46
  got to second guess or be careful about as someone who's
• 25:48
  not going to listen to you, they're like, oh, that's the
• 25:50
  only way it work. You know, this is the only, This
• 25:51
  is why we're doing it. You know what I mean?
• 25:54
  Like, at least when I'm hunting, no matter who it is, you know, I
• 25:57
  don't care if they have way more experience than me, way less
• 26:01
  experience. Like, hey, there's going to be
• 26:03
  nothing wrong with little Velo you're laying down with Finn.
• 26:08
  New sponsor. New sponsor?
• 26:10
  Yeah. Not a sponsor.
• 26:12
  No, I, I think what you're getting, I mean, I think, I
• 26:16
  think your bite, I think your bison hunt was a good example
• 26:19
  because you know, you had Justin in our Group A little bit doing
• 26:23
  stocks. You had me and you on stocks or
• 26:27
  usually it was you and me on stocks and Justin came on one.
• 26:31
  But then even the glassers, everyone there was experienced.
• 26:34
  And I thought it was really fun because me and you got to kind
• 26:37
  of hunt together the most because, you know, our glassers
• 26:41
  would stay back and we'd go out and hunt.
• 26:43
  And it was every time we were asking each other like you would
• 26:49
  be like, what do you think here? I'd give my thoughts.
• 26:52
  What do you think? We'd go back and forth.
• 26:54
  Everything about the hunt felt like a collaboration as far as
• 26:57
  ideas, and what I loved about that hunt in particular was how
• 27:04
  many times I almost feel like it's cheating that we got the
• 27:07
  bison the first day with how much effort it took.
• 27:10
  Like I think that's the part that gets missed when you watch
• 27:13
  the video is you go well they got them the first day but
• 27:17
  barely you know what I mean? Like dude how many times did we
• 27:19
  try? Wasn't that our 4th stock?
• 27:21
  Me and you. Yeah, it was one of those deals
• 27:23
  that we're like, I mean, First off, even to get that tag so
• 27:26
  lucky, there's not going to be that many competent, like not
• 27:29
  that much competition or whatever.
• 27:31
  So we're like super fortunate in the 1st place to even be there.
• 27:34
  But we had gone up a couple weeks before, you know, we got
• 27:38
  our ass handed to us for like 3 days driving the country, like
• 27:41
  not going up there. That place is like kind of the
• 27:43
  wildlands and we're driving through it and I mean, we spent
• 27:48
  a legit 3 days and didn't see 11 bison, you know?
• 27:52
  And yeah And like, well, Full disclosure, everyone told us,
• 27:59
  like everyone told us before he went up there, like, you know,
• 28:01
  you're just going to try to cover country, get on the roads
• 28:03
  glass, you know, it's pretty open, big country.
• 28:05
  And. And we did that and we're like
• 28:07
  kind of defeated. And like I was just saying, Full
• 28:10
  disclosure, we actually met a dude and his wife.
• 28:13
  They're scouting for deer and shot him up a little bit and
• 28:18
  like, what was it the next day or something?
• 28:20
  They drove by and they said they saw some bison down the road
• 28:22
  quite a ways away from where just kind of the standard area
• 28:26
  people hunt them at. And we went down there and we
• 28:28
  found them. So it was one of those deals
• 28:31
  where we we went back and obviously the first day driving
• 28:34
  in that hurt us kind of stayed in there, I guess like they
• 28:37
  were, they were literally right where we last last saw him and
• 28:41
  got super fortunate. But the other four guys, I mean,
• 28:43
  they were hunting some of the the normal country I guess, and
• 28:46
  we ran into them after and they they were having a heck of a
• 28:49
  time finding them, but. Did you ever go back and look at
• 28:54
  how many people who drew that tag ended up filling it that?
• 29:01
  Season. So I think that I think either
• 29:03
  all or 4 to 5 did fill, but I know that it was prolonged.
• 29:07
  It was actually kind of crazy. I had heard some stuff about it,
• 29:09
  Borders Union Reservation up there and there was something
• 29:12
  going on to where, I don't know if this is like true or not for
• 29:16
  sure, but they were saying that the Indians were kind of pushing
• 29:18
  the herds back into the reservation, which now it's kind
• 29:23
  of a whole thing, like they're actually blocked or I think it
• 29:25
  might be resolved now, but they blocked the access to like the
• 29:28
  roadless area to go into. You had to cross through the
• 29:31
  reservation. There was some sort of
• 29:32
  discrepancy going on. They didn't let him through.
• 29:34
  But ultimately I think everyone did do pretty good.
• 29:38
  It was a cow or a bull tag. So I think somebody shot a
• 29:41
  couple or anyways, I think they all did pretty good.
• 29:44
  It was, it was awesome. I remember we, I think it was
• 29:51
  maybe our second stock we had glassed.
• 29:56
  It was a herd of like a whole bunch.
• 29:58
  It was that time we got winded from like 800 yards.
• 30:02
  That was the first one. Yeah, that was our first one.
• 30:03
  But the one after that when we stayed on them glassing and a
• 30:08
  few of the bulls had kind of separated from the rest of the
• 30:10
  herd and they went out on this big finger and sort of bedded
• 30:13
  up. We thought it was a couple.
• 30:16
  And then you and me like go down the shale hill, come up and we
• 30:20
  find them. And I just remember stalking in
• 30:24
  there and we couldn't glass up for sure a nice bowl.
• 30:29
  But we get in there and I remember I was right behind you.
• 30:33
  And we end up seeing one like pretty close behind the tree and
• 30:37
  we're like, OK, we're in them. And then somehow they kind of
• 30:40
  busted. Then we followed them quite a
• 30:43
  ways. So like we're a long ways at
• 30:45
  this point. And I don't even know.
• 30:47
  I don't think anyone could see us from our group even we were
• 30:50
  out of sight and and dude, we got really close.
• 30:54
  That's when you drew that one time and that one just wouldn't
• 30:57
  stop long enough. I think you drew twice.
• 30:59
  It's in the video but the one he.
• 31:00
  Draws. Let's down draws again, I think.
• 31:03
  Yeah, yeah, it was one of those I didn't.
• 31:05
  That was a that was a nice bull. It might be the same 1 you shot,
• 31:07
  I'm not too sure. I don't think it ended up being
• 31:09
  the same one, but I mean, that was one of those things like
• 31:11
  going back to like the whole lighter arrow, heavy arrow
• 31:15
  thing, you know, like, I think keeping a lighter arrow, you
• 31:19
  know, makes or made me think twice about making a good shot,
• 31:23
  you know, not saying like, oh fuck or oh screw it, you know?
• 31:26
  You can say a cuss word if you want, it's all good.
• 31:29
  I'm saying like, screw it, I'm just gonna send one right here,
• 31:31
  you know? And I was like, Oh well, if it
• 31:33
  doesn't happen, we'll find them again, you know?
• 31:36
  And we. Yeah.
• 31:37
  And then we did, you know, But yeah, that was tough because
• 31:42
  they came out and that bowl almost gave us enough time and
• 31:47
  just not quite. And we were like, man, we worked
• 31:50
  so hard to get right there, and it just didn't quite pan out.
• 31:53
  I tried to groan at them and stop.
• 31:55
  Yeah, most animals. We spooked them a little.
• 31:57
  We both spooked. Them we spooked them a little
• 31:59
  bit. That's a funny when you say, you
• 32:02
  know, grounded at them instead of going back to like hunting
• 32:06
  with two people. There are times where it's like
• 32:09
  with two people, especially when both obviously are hunters and
• 32:13
  experienced hunters. Like I've not been ready yet.
• 32:21
  But James can see that this animals about to go And so in
• 32:26
  his mind, he's just thinking about like this is it, this is
• 32:29
  the time to stop the animal and shoot.
• 32:32
  And I'm nowhere near ready to shoot.
• 32:33
  And he's already like I'm. Like I've tried to get better
• 32:37
  about that as a filmer because a lot of times when I'm filming by
• 32:41
  somebody, I'm like, this is it. This is the window for the not
• 32:44
  only the film shot, but the animals in the open.
• 32:47
  And I've I've gotten better about when I'm filming just
• 32:50
  being like, let let the hunter grunt because maybe their window
• 32:53
  is ever so slightly different. Than it really can be.
• 32:56
  It doesn't take that much, you know.
• 32:57
  And then again like same thing. Difference like I'm I'm waiting
• 33:00
  for this video from this last hunt for the black tail to come
• 33:04
  out to see. I have not gone back and watched
• 33:06
  it yet and James being, you know.
• 33:10
  How? All right, we are officially
• 33:13
  back. Sorry, we had a little memory
• 33:15
  card issue so I deleted our Victory podcast but luckily that
• 33:19
  one's already uploaded so we're good there but we.
• 33:22
  Were talking about like when you guys grunted at the at the
• 33:26
  Buffalo and it's always like a concern going with two people
• 33:33
  because with James he can see when he thinks it's gonna or any
• 33:37
  hunter could see like, oh, this is this is it.
• 33:40
  This is a moment like grunt and with us being so different in in
• 33:46
  height, like the window he may see you'd you'd be amazed at how
• 33:52
  different that window is for a shorter person.
• 33:55
  Like it's the difference in completely seeing an animal and
• 33:58
  completely not seeing it. So I'm very interested to see
• 34:02
  this footage from the black tail hunt because James like I got
• 34:05
  the I got like the whole thing zoomed in on film and I'm
• 34:09
  interested to see from his height how much of that animal
• 34:12
  like it's deceptive almost of the videos because like people I
• 34:16
  don't think will see how hard of a shot that was for.
• 34:19
  Me. No, we'll see it.
• 34:20
  I can only see his ears and his antlers.
• 34:23
  Yeah, I could see like this much of A back if that and I could
• 34:28
  see his rack in the direction he was facing and that was it.
• 34:30
  But in lots of windows, like especially on the elk hunt we
• 34:34
  went on, there are plenty of times like he could have shot if
• 34:38
  we had a bolt head bowl after bowl after bowl.
• 34:41
  And I don't think I technically had other than maybe one the day
• 34:45
  that I messed up on that cow that I would have had a shot at
• 34:48
  a bowl. Any other one I wouldn't have
• 34:50
  because I had no window. But him standing right behind me
• 34:54
  has a window and he grunts and like a lot of times once that
• 34:59
  grunt happens like that, it's use it or lose it moment like
• 35:04
  after that they're gone. And so it's difficult because
• 35:08
  when you go with multiple hunters, sometimes it can get
• 35:13
  convoluted in in the moment when everybody's minds like thinking
• 35:20
  of what they would do at the same time.
• 35:22
  Well, different levels too, right, Like, like it depends
• 35:24
  kind of like the more, the more you're in that situation, you
• 35:27
  know, like, because really what it comes down to, I think like
• 35:29
  there's so many people that can kind of get get in that general
• 35:33
  vicinity of an animal, which usually I say like was is within
• 35:36
  100 yards, you know, and like there's usually within 100
• 35:40
  yards. There's a a period of like a few
• 35:43
  seconds, you know, like where you're going to have to make a
• 35:47
  decision, make a shot and it happens or a dozen, you know,
• 35:50
  and like when, when there's two people on different wavelengths,
• 35:52
  you know, if someone's more experienced than the other one,
• 35:54
  like James could be like, Oh, I can make that shot right now.
• 35:57
  I have it with Robin, you know, like this on just on Javelina,
• 36:00
  you know, it's like, hey, you know, kill him, you know, and
• 36:04
  yeah, but, but, but that's exactly like the the the point,
• 36:08
  you know, like, I mean, you might need a little more time.
• 36:10
  You can have Alina literally 15, Avelina passed by and James.
• 36:15
  Like what? That one, that one, that one
• 36:20
  until I'm shooting at the very last javelina in the pack
• 36:23
  because it took me that long to like steady out or whatever the
• 36:27
  case may be or get the yardage or something.
• 36:29
  Which is totally fun. Yeah.
• 36:31
  You know, it's just different. Like, I mean, he's proficient,
• 36:33
  you know, and like, yeah. And but that's just like the
• 36:36
  experience or time or whatever, you know?
• 36:39
  And like you still got it done. Yeah, so and the main thing is I
• 36:42
  would rather someone take their time and, you know, make a shot
• 36:47
  that's clean and ethical and hits the spot, then rush
• 36:51
  something they're not comfortable with and farm it.
• 36:54
  Then with Brianna, for example, and I'm sure it's similar with
• 36:56
  Robin is one thing I've worked with her a lot on and she's
• 37:00
  worked on is in the last four years is just trying to get
• 37:04
  faster, more efficient, smoother.
• 37:07
  Like a lot of times she would be super clunky in the zone and
• 37:10
  you, I will, I will say this, you're very, very smooth because
• 37:14
  quick. Draw McGee over there like you
• 37:16
  didn't even see the arrow come out of the quiver and it's
• 37:19
  already on the boat. Yeah, we'll see.
• 37:23
  We'll see. And that's important, right?
• 37:24
  I'm the same way. Like in that video, you shoot
• 37:26
  and reload automatic. That's exactly what I do.
• 37:29
  I do the same thing. Shoot another arrow ready right
• 37:32
  away and I'm clipped up ready to go.
• 37:35
  And I love that clip because you can see it like you can see your
• 37:40
  quiver and the arrow pop out. It's all visual.
• 37:43
  So is that something you practice or have you always just
• 37:46
  had this mentality that I need to be reloaded ASAP just in case
• 37:50
  I need a follow up draw? In general.
• 37:52
  Well, like everyone that I've ever hunted with, that's been
• 37:55
  the deal, you know, Like you're going to shoot arrows at them
• 37:57
  till they're down, you know? And honestly, like the way I
• 38:01
  learned that is, I mean, I can't remember off the top of my head,
• 38:04
  but like one specific time, but I guarantee you it was a bad
• 38:08
  experience, you know, to where I either shot one or.
• 38:13
  I love when he does that dude. Out of the blue.
• 38:15
  It's so random, it's like your foot is annoying.
• 38:18
  Move it, he nips me. I call it the Finn Drive by
• 38:21
  dude. I love it.
• 38:22
  But yeah. But I know I'm sure, I, I'm sure
• 38:24
  I probably shot something, you know, was like, oh, that was
• 38:27
  probably when I was younger, you know, I still like obviously,
• 38:31
  like I said, learn some every time.
• 38:32
  But like, I probably shot when I was like, oh, that was badass.
• 38:34
  I smoked them and then six hours later I'm like, where'd this
• 38:38
  critter go? You know, so it's like now I
• 38:41
  don't even really think about it.
• 38:42
  We've seen so many times with my buddies, you know, like if you
• 38:45
  think you smoke, I'm like, hey, we're, we're shooting till Oh,
• 38:48
  it's over, you know? Always a follow up.
• 38:52
  Finn enjoys anything that he can bite around your foot, so right
• 38:58
  now it's a flip flop. So obviously behind us here you
• 39:03
  have a bunch of different mounts on the wall.
• 39:06
  I got couple mealies, big Coos, javelina, Thule bison.
• 39:11
  You found it a fair amount of species.
• 39:13
  I think you got to antelope as well, a black tail I believe.
• 39:18
  Rocky Mountain. So you've shot a lot of pretty
• 39:20
  decent spread of species so far. Do you have a favorite type of
• 39:24
  animal to hunt? I mean, probably elk, you know,
• 39:29
  just because it's, it's that's been actually the toughest thing
• 39:33
  for me is like, I've had some pretty good elk tags over the
• 39:36
  years and I've blown a lot of them.
• 39:38
  You know, whether it's me shooting bulls, I haven't found
• 39:41
  part of that learning curve, you know, rushing a shot or just
• 39:46
  trying to find something, you know, that's a real nice
• 39:49
  critter. But I think now it's like he's
• 39:54
  like, he's like his mom. No, he's.
• 39:59
  So mad over there. He's like, what?
• 40:00
  I got to be in the corner. He wants his bed right here so
• 40:03
  he can be on. Yeah, he.
• 40:05
  Was doing good for a while and then James flip flop annoyed him
• 40:08
  anyways. Yeah, he was attacking.
• 40:09
  He was attacking, you know, anymore elk just because
• 40:14
  probably like it's I mean, as the time goes on, it's going to
• 40:18
  be the harder animal to kind of get an opportunity to go chase.
• 40:21
  And like, I don't think I've never been around anybody that,
• 40:25
  you know, they might say they they don't like elk because
• 40:28
  they've never done it, you know, but you put them in the woods or
• 40:30
  wherever with a screaming bull elk, you know, it's like it
• 40:32
  changes everything. You know, it's totally different
• 40:35
  than like deer is glass and some of our favorite thing to do.
• 40:38
  That's kind of how we we'll just like you guys, you know, but
• 40:41
  like something about getting in. But it's nothing like list like
• 40:45
  I've never listened to. We just talked about this the
• 40:47
  other day. You always like watch YouTube
• 40:51
  video or whatever it is and all you ever hear is the bugle from
• 40:56
  far away. Like in the video or whatnot.
• 40:59
  There's nothing. It's like 1/8 of the sounds a
• 41:04
  bull elk makes. They make some of these scariest
• 41:08
  sounds I've ever heard in my whole life.
• 41:10
  Like it sounds like the devil is coming at you.
• 41:13
  Like it's so guttural. It's so I call it evil sounding
• 41:18
  like it is just like demonic. Like it's low, it's growling.
• 41:22
  Like it is nuts. I always say it's like Jurassic
• 41:26
  Park and like, I mean, I've only shot a couple bulls and I've had
• 41:29
  some, I don't even know, 5 probably really good tags.
• 41:32
  And I spent a lot of time, you know, hunting.
• 41:35
  And I think that's for me, Look, probably why it's my favorite,
• 41:37
  you know, cuz a lot of this stuff that I spent so much time
• 41:40
  trying to get, you know, and elk have been one of the things that
• 41:42
  like just give me hell yeah. Trying to shoot, you know, a
• 41:47
  nice one. So yeah.
• 41:51
  I I do love hell cutting. There's just like there's
• 41:55
  something different about it. Also, it's to your point, it's
• 41:59
  not something you can really do every year.
• 42:01
  I mean, sure, you can go do the over the counter hunts every
• 42:03
  year, but when you know those good tags where you are going to
• 42:05
  have the Jurassic Park scenario, it's hard to come by the tags.
• 42:11
  So when you get one, what awesome opportunity.
• 42:15
  I really like hunting them too. I've always been, I always say
• 42:18
  mule deer is my favorite. I'd probably still say that, but
• 42:21
  I do really like elk as well and lately I've really like these
• 42:25
  Coos white tails a lot, as well as cow's deer fan tails.
• 42:29
  You just say like that just to kind of like make some, yeah,
• 42:32
  make some rise. No, it's the that's actually the
• 42:35
  like proper way. Cow's deer, No cow's deer.
• 42:38
  General cows, Coos, Coos, Coos, just like I said, but.
• 42:44
  We'll talk about it later. We'll talk about it later.
• 42:45
  So right now we're having these margaritas.
• 42:47
  These are fantastic, by the way, This is a really good beverage.
• 42:50
  Also very fancy cup which I'm a fan of.
• 42:54
  Yeah. But also in addition to you're
• 42:59
  hunting because you've been a very successful hunter, which is
• 43:04
  really cool, but you also are a good shooter, a very good
• 43:09
  shooter. And I respect that because I, I,
• 43:10
  I really enjoy target shooting, competition shooting, 3D
• 43:15
  shooting, I love all that stuff. I even like indoor, right?
• 43:18
  So I just like shooting a bow and you're a good shooter.
• 43:21
  So one thing I always like to ask guys who are really good
• 43:24
  with a bow is, is there anything specific you do that's like, OK,
• 43:29
  as long as I do this in my form, I'll be pretty good.
• 43:32
  Or if you're in a shooting slump, you say, OK, I need to do
• 43:36
  A, A or B and then I can kind of get locked in again.
• 43:40
  Do you have any like checkpoints like that that are kind of your
• 43:43
  go to? I mean as far as like
• 43:46
  checkpoints, not really. I mean the the biggest thing
• 43:49
  that like that helped me, I had target panic like so many people
• 43:52
  have it, you know, and so many people like will say, Oh no, I
• 43:54
  don't got it, you know, but I'll I'll watch them shoot.
• 43:57
  You've been developed. Yeah, it's.
• 43:59
  Been a rough year. Yeah, I mean, and everyone gets,
• 44:01
  I think at some point, like to an extent, but like I've watched
• 44:04
  people, I've watched people shoot and notice they'll deny
• 44:08
  it, you know, they're like, Oh no, I, I just let that one go.
• 44:10
  I'm like, what does that mean? You know, So for me, like I had
• 44:14
  it so bad, I've tried all the things I tried, like blank
• 44:18
  bailing, you know, all the different deals and I can never
• 44:21
  really fix it. You know, I would, I'd be
• 44:23
  shooting at animals, my pen wouldn't even be on them, you
• 44:26
  know, but like, Oh yeah, I had it bad.
• 44:29
  But I like, I guess as far as like 1 checklist thing, I have
• 44:34
  one release that I have used for like I mean, since a year after
• 44:39
  starting. It's like 10 years when
• 44:41
  released. It's a hinge release and I use
• 44:43
  it for everything I use it for. So this is another target.
• 44:47
  Yeah, I shoot it different than. What is it about a hinge you
• 44:51
  think that helped with the target panic?
• 44:52
  Kind of break it down from when you had like your peak target
• 44:55
  panic to then getting past it. Like obviously the hinge was the
• 44:59
  key, but kind of walk us through how how you found out that a
• 45:05
  hinge was the key sort of. So I kind of have like a
• 45:07
  different mindset on it. I guess, like obviously the
• 45:10
  triggers, the deal that that you see everybody, that's the
• 45:14
  anticipation. So I don't know all like the all
• 45:17
  the lingo all the guys now use, you know, for that anticipation
• 45:20
  or whatever it is like, but for me, I grabbed A hinge release
• 45:23
  and I said, I don't want to click on it.
• 45:26
  Everyone told me to use a click and then I go, it gives you a
• 45:28
  safety. I'm like, that's the last thing
• 45:29
  I want. You know, I don't want to know
• 45:31
  at all when it's going to go off.
• 45:33
  And and So what I, I set it up to where has no click and it
• 45:37
  it's all at the faster side from a most people shooting like
• 45:40
  target guys will grab it and be like, Oh, it's way too fast.
• 45:43
  But I learned it, you know, I learned how, how it fires.
• 45:46
  And if I have that, I mean, I, I, that's where I can most my
• 45:51
  confidence comes from, you know, I know I can hold my pin on
• 45:54
  there and, and let it sit and it's going to fire.
• 45:56
  So what happens now that you've shot a hinge for 10 years and
• 46:00
  solved your target? Panic.
• 46:01
  It sounds like. What happens when, for example,
• 46:03
  you grab my release and shoot it now?
• 46:06
  Does it come right back or not really?
• 46:08
  So that's the funniest thing about like that, that whole
• 46:11
  thing with like a trigger to a hinge and target panic.
• 46:13
  I don't think anyone ever fixes it.
• 46:14
  I think you can like manage it once you've had it.
• 46:18
  I always joke around. I laugh like, you know, you
• 46:20
  should have trigger and you know, you kind of punch.
• 46:22
  I just say, hey, they're too dumb to know how easy it is to
• 46:25
  miss. Yeah, I love when you say that.
• 46:27
  So like and like, honestly, cut and dry.
• 46:32
  It might not be because you're dumb, but like, archery is a
• 46:35
  very simple thing. Yeah, it's very simple, right.
• 46:38
  I mean, what other thing can you teach somebody how to do it, you
• 46:40
  know, and you say, hey, put the pin on that spot and pull the
• 46:43
  trigger. Yeah.
• 46:45
  Yeah. And you can teach somebody and
• 46:46
  have them shoot in a group like this at 40 yards and probably
• 46:49
  half an hour because it's. So it's so simple.
• 46:51
  But once your brain like, kind of gets that, you get that
• 46:55
  anticipation or whatever that is in your head, you know, it's
• 46:59
  like you can't do it, Yeah. I think sometimes the more you
• 47:02
  watch videos, these like tech videos and how to shoot videos,
• 47:06
  like the more you work yourself up honestly into like, oh, I'm
• 47:10
  not shooting right. Like oh, like oh, my pin does
• 47:13
  move too much. Oh, it's like it wobbles.
• 47:16
  Oh, my left and right's not good.
• 47:18
  Oh, I'm torquing my bow too much.
• 47:20
  It's like now you just confused yourself into like thinking too
• 47:26
  much in the thought in the shot process of like, I need to think
• 47:30
  about this, I need to think about that.
• 47:31
  Like, no, just put your pen down there.
• 47:36
  It's got to move around no matter what and like, shoot your
• 47:40
  bill. That's once, I guess I, I guess
• 47:43
  like once you develop like your form or whatever, you know, you
• 47:46
  have to develop that first. Once you get that, other than
• 47:49
  that, it's just in your mind the only thing that changes.
• 47:52
  But like, I mean, kind of like going back to your question with
• 47:56
  a hinge now, that's all I use, right?
• 47:59
  So if I were to shoot your bow, I could pretty much I, I mean, I
• 48:05
  could take go shoot 510 arrows and pretty much guarantee I'm
• 48:09
  going to hit the spot, you know, But everyone after that, it
• 48:14
  might be a little bit less than that too.
• 48:15
  It goes downhill once I start to like correlate that again, like
• 48:19
  now, you know, and yeah, exactly.
• 48:22
  So like, and so the short answer, no.
• 48:24
  Like I might be able to take one like and go hunt and shoot
• 48:27
  something. But like, I'm so used to a
• 48:29
  hinge, you know, And but Chris, actually one of my buddies, he
• 48:34
  is the one who got me out of shooting a hinge when that was
• 48:37
  all happening. And I was like, this is what I'm
• 48:40
  going to use. And then our other friend, Zach,
• 48:42
  he's another really good shooter, Arizona.
• 48:46
  He shoots, he shoots actually a pinky release.
• 48:49
  It's just kind of the same thing.
• 48:50
  You know, it's just, but but it's just changing in your mind,
• 48:54
  you know, how you're getting to release the fire.
• 48:55
  And he's kind of like you. Like, I mean, when when you're
• 48:59
  shooting against somebody with a trigger and if they can beat
• 49:02
  their mind, I think they're you can't beat them with a hitch.
• 49:05
  Yeah, yeah. If you have a good shooter that,
• 49:08
  if you have a good shooter that punches or or whatever you want
• 49:11
  to call it, like commands the release or whatever, how can you
• 49:15
  beat them when they're only gonna let it go when their pins
• 49:17
  on the spot? Yeah, yeah, I I hear you.
• 49:20
  It it it is interesting. Like to make a joke about your
• 49:25
  line of you know you're too too dumb to or.
• 49:30
  Too dumb to know how easy it is to.
• 49:33
  Miss too dumb to know height. It's funny because sometimes
• 49:36
  I'll frustrate like, you know, Brianna or Matt or something,
• 49:40
  they'll have that problem where their pin gets locked below the
• 49:43
  target and they're they're like, how do I, how do I get it?
• 49:46
  How do I get it up to the target?
• 49:47
  Like I'm always shooting low or I'm flinching shooting high and
• 49:51
  I'm and my response is always, yeah, just don't do that.
• 49:58
  Hey, we say literally that literally proves the point,
• 50:01
  right? Because if you think about that,
• 50:02
  you're like, oh, my pin's stuck below the target.
• 50:05
  Well, if you actually say it to yourself back, why is my pin
• 50:08
  stuck below the target? Oh, you're holding low.
• 50:11
  Raise your hand up. Yeah, right.
• 50:12
  But that's where the whole thing starts, you know, Because you
• 50:15
  realize, you know, this is what I have to do, but you just have
• 50:17
  mental block and you can't do it.
• 50:19
  James just can't think hard enough, you know?
• 50:23
  I'm going to start saying like you're too dumb to be able to
• 50:25
  think like this. You know what Paige on.
• 50:27
  Another. Level, yes.
• 50:28
  You know what Paige told me? She told me that for quite a few
• 50:31
  years earlier in her competition career that she her pin would
• 50:38
  get locked below the target. So what she would do is just
• 50:40
  cider bow in a little bit high and just shoot low and then the
• 50:45
  shot would hit higher so. It's good enough to know that
• 50:48
  that's 6 inches low from down. There is about this far low or
• 50:53
  I'm like that's also it's still G like you're still a genius for
• 50:57
  being able to know how far to gap and know that it's gonna
• 51:01
  exactly land in the 14 ring every time like.
• 51:04
  Well, they're like, yeah, that shooter's like that.
• 51:07
  And I mean, they're just next level.
• 51:09
  Yeah, they're like the average. Talent like natural talent that
• 51:13
  like any sport like comes with it, that you either have or you
• 51:16
  work towards having. I always say like James just has
• 51:20
  some sort of weird natural ability along with his
• 51:25
  repeatability from shooting so much that I don't think I was I
• 51:29
  was born with that natural sport talent.
• 51:34
  But they're just like, they're on a whole nother level of like.
• 51:40
  Well, that's how Zach is. I can't wait to compete against
• 51:44
  Zach one time. No, Zach and I'm.
• 51:46
  Sure, he'll probably beat me, it sounds like, but I'm going to
• 51:48
  give up my best run, so I want to stop by his shop.
• 51:51
  Hunter's Choice. Yeah.
• 51:52
  Tree. Yeah, I only go to Hunter's
• 51:53
  Choice Archery in Arizona and shoot against him and.
• 51:57
  And that'll be fun trying. To get James.
• 51:59
  To it is close to pace and close enough they could.
• 52:01
  Be a new home shop you know he's.
• 52:03
  Zach's one of those dudes, like he's not going to, he's going to
• 52:06
  be the person to go to a shoot and he's not going to say
• 52:08
  anything, you know, to anybody. He's very under the radar, like
• 52:11
  even in his shop. James.
• 52:14
  Yeah, yeah. Would you say that he's a little
• 52:15
  bit outlandish? Yeah, just a little bit, just a
• 52:18
  little bit. Wait till you see the outfit for
• 52:20
  for target season this. Year can't wait to break that
• 52:23
  bad boy out. Oh my God.
• 52:26
  So Zach pretty much will be the opposite of James then, but I
• 52:29
  know he's for real. He's one of those guys like
• 52:32
  that. I mean, he'll come out and shoot
• 52:33
  a course and and you watch him shoot and it's like you can't
• 52:37
  touch. You can't.
• 52:38
  I mean, there's obviously more guys in Arizona.
• 52:40
  There's very, a very competitive like archery scene, you know,
• 52:44
  and, and just. More reasons to move there.
• 52:47
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. But watching like watching guys
• 52:51
  on that level shoot, you know, there's like it's different, but
• 52:55
  but the hunt and what what like we really care about.
• 52:57
  I mean, it's not there's a margin area, you know, anyone,
• 53:01
  anyone can really do it. Especially like with the, I
• 53:05
  mean, if you put some little, a little bit of time in it like I
• 53:07
  haven't been doing, yeah, you know, like I think you have.
• 53:11
  A small excuse. Yeah, a real small, about 15
• 53:14
  pounds, 55 months old. Yeah, but.
• 53:17
  Look, I mean, even today your shooting was already really
• 53:19
  good. We'll see how it goes when we
• 53:22
  put a couple of them games out there.
• 53:24
  I can't wait. But it's not like I'm not saying
• 53:27
  anybody's like, you know, you can be average hunt, but like
• 53:31
  really you can as long as you have all the other stuff, the
• 53:36
  drive to want to hunt to stay out there for the days that's
• 53:39
  needed to not maybe not shower for a certain amount.
• 53:43
  That's topic. Yeah, we'll talk about that
• 53:44
  later. Because he doesn't shower when
• 53:46
  he can, which is a problem. So that's my problem with it.
• 53:49
  Yeah, I totally get up hunting. This guy will text me and go
• 53:52
  hey, or call me and be like, hey, have you showered?
• 53:56
  I'm like, not in three or four days.
• 53:58
  He's like, aren't you staying in a weekend warrior?
• 54:01
  I'm like, yes, doesn't have a shower, yes.
• 54:03
  Well, if you want to make this normal, what you can do on
• 54:06
  whatever, how you do your Instagram page, you can take a
• 54:08
  vote. Oh, yeah, we could.
• 54:09
  If you ask somebody if they shower, if they can daily, just
• 54:14
  once a day, yeah, when they're hunting.
• 54:15
  I guarantee you 99% of people are.
• 54:19
  But yeah, I'm gonna have a shower.
• 54:19
  What's so crazy too is like on that elk hunt specifically that
• 54:23
  there were very few AK. None taken.
• 54:27
  I have a shower tent. I have a shower bladder that was
• 54:34
  hung above the shower. It has a pump that I have.
• 54:41
  Very luxury. Feeds from the the gallon or
• 54:44
  whatever many gallon jug up to the little shower head hangs in
• 54:48
  the shower tent and even it has a mat so you don't got to stand
• 54:52
  in the mud you put your flip flops on.
• 54:55
  You still didn't do it, huh, You?
• 54:56
  Still did. Yeah.
• 54:57
  See, it's just negligence is all that is.
• 55:00
  There's no other explanation other than that is negligence.
• 55:03
  Well, see, I think that I can smell a little bit more like the
• 55:08
  wilderness. Yeah, no, it doesn't work like
• 55:10
  that buy. Bacon, I can smell like a
• 55:12
  wilderness. If we go hunt, I'm bringing a
• 55:14
  pressure washer. I like that I do get.
• 55:17
  Concerned. I do get concerned sometimes,
• 55:19
  like when he's hunting, I'll check in and be like, hey, if
• 55:21
  you need a couple bucks I'll Venmo you to go get a hotel pal,
• 55:26
  have a shower. It's it's astounding how much
• 55:31
  lack of cleaning goes into manicuring all the all the care.
• 55:38
  You got to deal with it, not me. Well, hey, the mullet.
• 55:41
  The mullet looks better when it's got a little grease, you
• 55:43
  know what I mean? Just looks a little nasty.
• 55:46
  It's greasy right now. Have you had a shower today?
• 55:48
  Today. No.
• 55:49
  Not today, No. You'll be having a shower this
• 55:52
  evening. OK.
• 55:53
  All right, All right. It is.
• 55:56
  It's wild and we do have we we have cots now that are like bunk
• 56:02
  bed style but unfortunately I have to put James on the top
• 56:08
  because it's too squished for another RI.
• 56:10
  Did see and I think I will be purchasing them.
• 56:13
  There are extenders that make it a little taller.
• 56:16
  So like the person on the bottom bunks.
• 56:18
  Not like right in the other person's ass, but for James and
• 56:25
  some of the smells that come from him, both cleanliness wise
• 56:30
  and periodically dependent on what he's digested for the day.
• 56:36
  Riveting. It's camping in a tent with him
• 56:40
  is just so it's a whole nother level of patience and he's like,
• 56:45
  he's like, oh man, you see the amount of patients I have, We
• 56:47
  know waiting for me to finally get an animal.
• 56:50
  I'm like, do you see the amount of patients I have on a daily
• 56:53
  basis? Oh, that's torturous.
• 56:55
  I wouldn't call it patience. I mean, you have to do it, you
• 56:57
  know? So he's kind of putting you
• 56:59
  through it. Yeah.
• 57:00
  Yeah. I.
• 57:01
  Am it's, you know, we're working on it.
• 57:04
  I will say this new diet, I don't even want to call it a
• 57:07
  diet. It's just like lifestyle of
• 57:09
  eating. We have decided that determined
• 57:13
  really that vegetables are just not for James.
• 57:17
  Like if he has a bowl of lettuce, just go put him in
• 57:21
  another room. Yeah, I'll be out of some.
• 57:24
  Stinky. Very bro.
• 57:25
  I'll be stinky. Yeah, meat really cleans him up
• 57:28
  nicely. I I highly enjoy it.
• 57:32
  It's really taking a turn for a different direction.
• 57:34
  You know, I wasn't expecting this pod to go this way, but
• 57:36
  hey, it's a conversational pod. So we're learning about diet,
• 57:39
  no? No, the main thing about this
• 57:41
  whole thing is tech. Tip of the day Shower when you
• 57:44
  hunt, Yeah. And well, and like, he's such a
• 57:46
  big person. I'm about scent.
• 57:48
  Well. He would.
• 57:49
  Spend so many less days hunting if he would shower.
• 57:52
  Oh my goodness. You know, actually because wind
• 57:53
  it half the time that's the problem.
• 57:54
  Like 30 days, 30 days in a tree stands like man, it would have
• 57:59
  taken maybe four or five if you would shower.
• 58:02
  You should do a consensus on that like over you know the
• 58:05
  period of like every other hunt, like you shower more of our
• 58:08
  shower less and see if you know 1 takes less days than the
• 58:11
  other. Well, I guarantee you that.
• 58:13
  Maybe. That'd be fun.
• 58:14
  Yeah, I like it so. I'm about to go, you know, on a
• 58:18
  hunt that you, I think, know well.
• 58:25
  Any advice for me in this time of need you know?
• 58:34
  No, because I still I need advice myself.
• 58:36
  I'll be out there too. Just show up with peace, love,
• 58:39
  positivity and a good attitude. Maybe I don't know, I got to see
• 58:42
  if I can if I can sneak away for a little bit, But I think like,
• 58:45
  I mean, above anything on any of the hunts like that, they're
• 58:50
  going to be over the counter general hunts, you know,
• 58:53
  whatever it might be, it's just going to be time.
• 58:54
  Like I, I say all the time, like there's so many people that get
• 58:58
  discouraged because this is one thing I always wanted to talk
• 59:00
  about is like people will see a picture on Instagram, you know,
• 59:04
  and whatever it's a deer or it's an elk, say it was.
• 59:07
  It doesn't matter if it was a private or, or a general over
• 59:10
  the counter. They're like, oh man, that's
• 59:13
  awesome. I want to go do that right, But
• 59:15
  but two days into it, they're like, fuck, this is hard.
• 59:18
  You know, I why does it look so easy?
• 59:22
  You know, how do they do it? You know, poor me, I'm going to,
• 59:24
  I'm going to go home or whatever, you know?
• 59:26
  Or you think about it like it's like some of these units close
• 59:32
  the first week, like they fill that fast and you have to like
• 59:37
  convince your mind to not think that way negatively.
• 59:41
  It's like the thought every once in a while crosses the mind of
• 59:44
  like, I'm planning like how many days like we're going to be out
• 59:46
  there for a full time till we have to take off for, for Ted's
• 59:51
  hunt. And when you do the math, you're
• 59:54
  like, I probably won't even have that much time to be able to
• 59:58
  hunt it like. For the unit to be open and then
• 1:00:02
  like, you can't let your mind venture down the path of like,
• 1:00:05
  well, how do all these people fill this tag so fast in this
• 1:00:08
  unit? Like when I'm planning on like
• 1:00:10
  needing 15 days, but you just cannot think like that because
• 1:00:13
  like, it's not any easier for them.
• 1:00:17
  They're in the same. Unit everyone does it.
• 1:00:18
  Different. Everyone does it different.
• 1:00:20
  They're going to shoot a different, you know, a different
• 1:00:22
  type of animal, whatever, you know.
• 1:00:24
  But it's one of those I think that.
• 1:00:27
  You were in the same place that they were at the same time.
• 1:00:29
  Like sometimes, like it's not luck per SE that gets the
• 1:00:33
  animal, but it is luck. Oh, at a. 100.
• 1:00:35
  Percent, if you were there at that time in the morning, like
• 1:00:40
  were you 5 minutes earlier to get to, you know, this water
• 1:00:45
  tank or this mountainside or, you know, whatever the case may
• 1:00:49
  be, like there is a portion of hunting.
• 1:00:51
  I say it's like 80% skilled, 20% luck.
• 1:00:54
  See, I would say it's different. That's it.
• 1:00:56
  Yeah, because though everything you just said, right, the luck,
• 1:01:00
  whatever you got to be there. You have to be out in out in the
• 1:01:04
  woods or the desert, whatever, whatever it is hunting, right.
• 1:01:07
  So like. That is still luck.
• 1:01:08
  Like you might have just take like chosen to take the wrong
• 1:01:11
  Rd. that day and like, you know, more deer we're over on this
• 1:01:14
  hillside than this hillside. Like so much of it, even if you
• 1:01:17
  are being, if you're being there still luck.
• 1:01:21
  Like, well, there's, I mean, still can get you so far, you
• 1:01:23
  know, it can get you close to an animal, but they have a mind
• 1:01:25
  too, you know. So like if things aren't in the
• 1:01:28
  cards, you know, and they decide to do something.
• 1:01:30
  No, they zig, you zag. I mean, that's where luck goes.
• 1:01:34
  Doesn't go your way, you know, and they could also be like,
• 1:01:37
  hey, I'm 100 yards, I'm I'm 200 yards.
• 1:01:40
  Shit, I can't get closer. I'm going to sit tight right
• 1:01:42
  here and luck goes your way. He's going to get up and he's
• 1:01:45
  going to feed to you, you know, so like there's and.
• 1:01:47
  He gets up and we've seen it the other way and it's.
• 1:01:50
  Like exactly. Or you're driving on the road
• 1:01:53
  and you see when off the road you jump out and shoot him.
• 1:01:56
  You know, what's the difference? I mean, who's who's who's the
• 1:02:00
  judge and say I wouldn't have done that.
• 1:02:04
  Yeah, I know a lot of guys. I don't, I don't know one of
• 1:02:07
  them that wouldn't do it. You know, so like, I mean, and
• 1:02:09
  there's we've done that. Opportunity comes your way to do
• 1:02:13
  what's legal to fill your tag. Like at the end of the day, if
• 1:02:17
  there is a deer that. Now some people sure had my
• 1:02:20
  standards are pretty low. Some people might have a little
• 1:02:23
  higher standards for what they're looking for.
• 1:02:26
  But like, at the end of the day, if it's close enough to your
• 1:02:30
  standards or you're far enough along in your hunt that you're
• 1:02:33
  like 10 days in and you're reaching your last few days.
• 1:02:36
  Like not a single person could say it didn't cross their mind
• 1:02:40
  to jump out of that truck if the deer stands there broadside.
• 1:02:43
  Where it's legal, whoever doing the shooting, as long as they're
• 1:02:45
  cool with it, you know, like I said, if it's legal, let it
• 1:02:48
  ride, you know, who cares? There's nobody to say.
• 1:02:50
  Like obviously, I mean me, I like the spot and stalk animals.
• 1:02:54
  You know, I've shot stuff off the road, you know, I've shot
• 1:02:56
  stuff over water, but I have a lot of hunts where I won't I
• 1:03:00
  won't sit water on purpose because it's I don't want to do
• 1:03:03
  it that way. But like James, look how
• 1:03:05
  successful he's been doing that. I mean, so there's it all
• 1:03:10
  depends kind of what you want to get out of it, you know, like if
• 1:03:12
  someone wants, if someone has the patience, like James, you
• 1:03:17
  know, great, go do it, you know, but you have to be if you don't
• 1:03:20
  do that, you got to be OK with going home with nothing, you
• 1:03:22
  know, but so many people don't want to.
• 1:03:23
  Like I said earlier, I've had some really good elk tags and
• 1:03:26
  I've gone home with nothing. I'm sure I could have shot one
• 1:03:28
  on the water, you know, but I want to do it a certain way And
• 1:03:32
  and so, but it all it's whoever's.
• 1:03:34
  Short, I've gotten over that. I got over that in the elk hunt.
• 1:03:38
  I wouldn't say quickly learned because we were out there pretty
• 1:03:41
  much almost the full time, but I'm going to, you know, I'll
• 1:03:47
  assess it over the first few days and like if it's just not
• 1:03:51
  in my cards in that area, like where the black tail hunt is,
• 1:03:55
  there's just so much of that that's not huntable for me
• 1:03:58
  because it's too tall that I've quickly gotten over.
• 1:04:02
  It is fun to spot in stock and in Arizona a lot of places I
• 1:04:05
  can. But if I'm in an area that I'm
• 1:04:09
  already seeing, like this ain't going to be doable, Like I might
• 1:04:14
  get close and I've gotten pretty darn good at my stocking skills
• 1:04:17
  and getting close and being quiet and playing the wind.
• 1:04:21
  But like the opportunity that's there for the person behind me
• 1:04:24
  who's not hunting is not there for me because I can't see
• 1:04:27
  through the brush. So I'm just like, if that means
• 1:04:32
  sitting water or sitting tanks or sitting a tree stand on a
• 1:04:37
  trail that we found, I am all down for it now at this point
• 1:04:42
  because whatever's going to work, especially like dependent
• 1:04:45
  on who has the tag. Like what I say it's slightly
• 1:04:48
  different story if James also still had his tag.
• 1:04:50
  And so we're both hunting. Sure, yeah, I'd get on the
• 1:04:54
  ground some days. So like, you know, he out if
• 1:04:57
  that's the way he wants to hunt, we we can do that, but he
• 1:05:01
  doesn't. And so it's like he said it a
• 1:05:04
  couple times and I was like, you really seem set on that.
• 1:05:06
  I'm like, yeah, we've been there.
• 1:05:08
  We've seen what it looks like. Like it was extremely difficult
• 1:05:12
  to see an elk. How difficult do you think it is
• 1:05:15
  to see a deer on the ground that deer's half the size or more?
• 1:05:19
  So I'm pretty set having seen it knowing like I'm a have to
• 1:05:26
  commit myself to a blind or tree.
• 1:05:28
  Stand which I mean, that's a whole different, like that's a
• 1:05:30
  whole different mental game, you know?
• 1:05:32
  Like. Level of patience, I'm the first
• 1:05:34
  one to say it. Like I, I don't have trouble
• 1:05:36
  sitting, you know what I mean? Like I have, I have trouble
• 1:05:38
  sitting in there that long. I'd rather I'm like, if I sit in
• 1:05:41
  a blind, I think like, oh man, there's a bowl or there's a,
• 1:05:44
  there's a deer somewhere, you know, laying down.
• 1:05:46
  I don't chase them. Like when you can hear them so
• 1:05:49
  you know they're within like 700 yards, I could just get out and
• 1:05:53
  go walk that 700 yards. Yeah.
• 1:05:55
  But the waters are more for sure, it's a controlled
• 1:05:57
  scenario, you know, for somebody who who's just like getting into
• 1:06:01
  that not not more like a more controlled scenario to where you
• 1:06:05
  can kind of you can make your decisions, you know, and have
• 1:06:09
  more time to do it and more. Cover building over the last
• 1:06:12
  year it I said I need I need a a reset and a blind or tree stand
• 1:06:17
  is going to be my my way of helping me get a reset.
• 1:06:20
  Which is the first thing to accept it and let it ride.
• 1:06:22
  And I'm, you know, I'm sure if you get the opportunity.
• 1:06:26
  Still be jacked up and probably pop the blind at least once.
• 1:06:28
  Cut it with my broad head and hopefully not cut my finger.
• 1:06:31
  Hopefully be able to draw the bow and hopefully be able to see
• 1:06:34
  the deer. It's a whole slew of things.
• 1:06:36
  When you stop doing that, stop hunting.
• 1:06:38
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. My mentality with hunting has
• 1:06:43
  always been, it's just always been my mindset is I'm like you,
• 1:06:46
  my favorite is hunting on the ground spot and stocks.
• 1:06:48
  My favorite, but I've always had the mindset that whatever it
• 1:06:53
  takes for me to be successful on that hunt in that location in
• 1:06:57
  that year, I'm going to do it. So like you, sometimes that
• 1:07:01
  might be in my head. I think sitting a tree for way
• 1:07:04
  too long or sitting a blind for way too long or glassing for way
• 1:07:08
  too long, whatever it is, I I always have had the mindset that
• 1:07:11
  I'm going to do just whatever option even though my preferred
• 1:07:15
  is spot in stock and with DRF shot 90% of them spot in stock.
• 1:07:20
  But the other 10 I don't have a problem jumping in a blind or
• 1:07:24
  something if if I think that's what the best option is.
• 1:07:28
  And I think I've always thought the more well-rounded and
• 1:07:33
  comfortable you can be hunting in different styles, the more
• 1:07:36
  successful you're going to be overall.
• 1:07:38
  So like one of the things on my list lately has been to learn
• 1:07:43
  and become more proficient hunting out of a saddle so I can
• 1:07:46
  hike around with the whole gear in my pack.
• 1:07:48
  And then if I find, you know, let's just say I'm hunting a
• 1:07:51
  group of elk and I kind of bed them down during the day And I
• 1:07:54
  get, you know, I don't know, let's just say 2-3 hundred yards
• 1:07:58
  from the group. Rather than go back to camp and
• 1:08:01
  take a nap or something, I can just saddle up in a tree on a
• 1:08:04
  trail nearby, wait it out and see, you know, like, so there's
• 1:08:08
  different options I want to add, but that's always kind of been
• 1:08:11
  my mentality, you know, if that makes sense.
• 1:08:14
  Yeah, I mean, I mean it also, I think like is also what
• 1:08:18
  somebody, you know, like, obviously the, the generic
• 1:08:22
  definition of like success on a hunt is going to be like, oh, I
• 1:08:25
  shot 1, you know, but like going back to like I've known, I've
• 1:08:28
  said like 3 times, like my outcomes, you know, I've had,
• 1:08:30
  I've had really good tags and haven't shot out, but I have so
• 1:08:34
  many experiences in there, you know, that I, that I learned
• 1:08:37
  from, you know, on the ground with them over how many, I mean,
• 1:08:41
  double, double digit days, you know, whatever on a hunt.
• 1:08:45
  And I've learned so much stuff. I'm like, I'm good with it, you
• 1:08:50
  know, so it all really depends like who who it's for.
• 1:08:54
  Like, like, like what, what, what you're getting out of it.
• 1:08:56
  You know, I think some, some of the problem that that people
• 1:09:00
  have nowadays is like they want that they want that Instagram
• 1:09:05
  picture, they want that Facebook picture, you know, and it's
• 1:09:10
  different for everybody. I mean, like for you, it's the
• 1:09:12
  total opposite, right? Because you're going to be the
• 1:09:13
  person that, you know, you want to, you want a picture for your
• 1:09:17
  page or whatever, for all your followers, for the sponsors and
• 1:09:20
  all that. But you're going to do whatever
• 1:09:22
  it takes to get that picture. You know, where a lot of times,
• 1:09:26
  like people will, they care so much about that picture.
• 1:09:30
  Once they realize how hard it is, they're like, fuck it, you
• 1:09:34
  know? I'm not, I'm not doing it.
• 1:09:35
  And The thing is, I've always been like that regardless, even
• 1:09:38
  before I was doing content or videos.
• 1:09:40
  That's just always was always my mindset ever since I was a young
• 1:09:44
  kid hunting with my dad, bow hunting, I always had that
• 1:09:48
  mindset of like I got to come home with the tag punch.
• 1:09:51
  I have to. It's like a destiny thing.
• 1:09:54
  It's always how I looked at it, you know, and I still do it
• 1:09:57
  really. Like my mindset hasn't changed
• 1:09:58
  because of what we're doing now. In fact, I try to encourage guys
• 1:10:02
  who do content hunting that even if you go on a hunt and you film
• 1:10:06
  a lot of really good stuff, but you don't get, you know, get
• 1:10:08
  anything, I'm like, dude, still post it.
• 1:10:11
  Like make a good story of the hunt.
• 1:10:13
  We try to do that, you know, when we don't feel something.
• 1:10:16
  But most importantly, I just I just love hunting and I've met
• 1:10:20
  so many good people through hunting and archery Taylors, one
• 1:10:23
  of them, you know, and many others that I didn't know prior
• 1:10:26
  to hunting and Brianna as well. So it's just an awesome hobby
• 1:10:32
  and and and A and a lifestyle and I really love that.
• 1:10:35
  And then doing the tournaments is a blast.
• 1:10:38
  And we don't get to compete enough.
• 1:10:40
  Me and you have only competed a couple of times, but today.
• 1:10:43
  Hey, new face off baby. So yeah, I appreciate you coming
• 1:10:47
  on for. Sure.
• 1:10:48
  You did a great job. It's like pulling teeth getting
• 1:10:50
  this guy to come on, but we finally did so anyway, Shoot
• 1:10:54
  him. Follow Taylor. under score
• 1:10:56
  hockey will not approve. He will not approve your
• 1:10:58
  follower request. But go ahead and try.
• 1:10:59
  I will not. And yeah, that's it.
• 1:11:03
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• 1:11:09
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