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Lawsuits and Blurred Lines, A Former Bachelor Producer Joins To Spill! · The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast

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Speaker 1: This is the almost Famous podcast with iHeartRadio.
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Speaker 2: Hey, everybody's Bob getting here with almost Famous. I say
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Speaker 2: the ogs for every episode I do. That's why I
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Speaker 2: have my little Mikey thing on here. But it is
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Speaker 2: just the almost famous podcast. We are at our second
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Speaker 2: annual Trista Tahoe Pickleball Extravaganza.
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Speaker 3: It's only called that because she won last year.
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Speaker 2: Next year it'll be the Bob Pickleball Extravaganza here in
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Speaker 2: Tahoe because I'm planning on whooping some ass today.
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Speaker 3: Yeah right, she's really good.
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Speaker 2: I'm here with bachel Nation alum Courtney Robertson and Katie Bigger,
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Speaker 2: of course, married to Zachary Sallcas, the one and only
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Speaker 2: Zachie Shalls. We call him not to be confused with
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Speaker 2: Gabby's Zach, which even though she was trying to get
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Speaker 2: your Zach, she ended up with a Zach another Zach, right,
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Speaker 2: so he's the Zach Attack. And of course we have
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Speaker 2: former Bachelor producer Alana with us today too. And Alana
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Speaker 2: was a producer on your season, right, Katie.
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Speaker 3: Correct, Yeah, very nice.
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Speaker 2: I'm sure given the current state of events, Alana knows
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Speaker 2: some tea. And we'll be getting into spills in this
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Speaker 2: hot episode. So, guys, let's talk about this. Taylor Frankie Paul, right,
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Speaker 2: of course, has kind of set the franchise on its ear,
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Speaker 2: I think to a certain degree. Never had a season
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Speaker 2: canceled before, right, never had a season not air before,
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Speaker 2: at least not to my knowledge. My knowledge is not spectacular.
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Speaker 2: By the way, when it comes to franchise. I may
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Speaker 2: have disengaged for several decades, but point is I didn't.
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Speaker 3: I've never known of that happening before.
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Speaker 2: And I think that also, you know, in light of ratings,
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Speaker 2: the clients and things of that nature. That's why the
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Speaker 2: whole Taylor Frankie Paul casting even happened, right. We were
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Speaker 2: trying to reinvent the wheel a little bit, see what
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Speaker 2: we could spark interest, maybe carry over from one show
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Speaker 2: to the next, that whole bit. However, let's talk about
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Speaker 2: the state of the franchise in a moment. To kind
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Speaker 2: of kickstart that conversation, We've got a voicemail and by
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Speaker 2: the way, guys, if you're listening to the show, you
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Speaker 2: want to leave us voicemail, you can do it an
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Speaker 2: eight four to four five. I have almost that's almost
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Speaker 2: to our spelling challenge friends. So let's go ahead and
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Speaker 2: play that voicemail and let's talk about it.
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Speaker 4: I just wanted to comment on how The Bachelor could
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Speaker 4: reach a wider audience. I think it just needs to
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Speaker 4: keep up with how people actually watch TV today, and
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Speaker 4: that is via streaming. As a mom myself of three
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Speaker 4: young kids, I don't have time to watch Down, Sit
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Speaker 4: Down every week and watch a live cable show, and
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Speaker 4: I don't want to watch ads, so I would want
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Speaker 4: to watch on my own timing, you know, late at
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Speaker 4: night when the kids are napping, whatever it is. So
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Speaker 4: I think The Bachelor really needs to move completely to
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Speaker 4: Hulu and Disney Plus and they'll reach a much wider
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Speaker 4: audience that way.
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Speaker 2: Right already, you know, I believe it airs first on
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Speaker 2: ABC and then in the later Arizon Hulu. So let's
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Speaker 2: recap that voicemail real quick. So basically, Heather and I
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Speaker 2: were just talking about this earlier today too. You know,
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Speaker 2: a lot of show now, the format's different, It's much faster, right,
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Speaker 2: It gets to the point a lot quicker Bachelor's two
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Speaker 2: hour episodes. Every single time you turn around, I think
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Speaker 2: you lose a lot of potential viewership there now.
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Speaker 3: Of course with commercials.
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Speaker 2: I get it people don't like them, but it really
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Speaker 2: depends depends the undergarment for men and ladies no matter
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Speaker 2: their age. I wear it depends you should too, Heather, Seriously,
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Speaker 2: you didn't even react to that.
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Speaker 3: I just did it depends ad.
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Speaker 2: You know that's pair of bills, guys. I just said, no,
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Speaker 2: I'm just kidding. I haven't wear depends in a while.
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Speaker 2: But point being, I'm more Huggies. It's true, right, I mean,
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Speaker 2: we lose people, you lose people's attention. I don't really watch.
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Speaker 2: I mean I think about the way I watch TV
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Speaker 2: and I go downstairs and I turn on an app
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Speaker 2: and I watch my show, right, And I don't watch
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Speaker 2: a lot on network TV.
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Speaker 3: How about you? Do you watch a lot of network TV?
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Speaker 1: Kiddy?
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Speaker 3: No, not really, not really. What do you are? You
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Speaker 3: like a Netflix person?
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Speaker 5: We're definitely Netflix, Peacock, Yeah, Hulu, Disney Plus, and we're
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Speaker 5: kind of all over the place.
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Speaker 3: Do you still watch The Bachelor? Do you watch The Bachelor?
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Speaker 1: Not really?
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Speaker 3: Not as much, not as much. I think.
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Speaker 1: Also it's hard because like.
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Speaker 5: When you know the behind the scenes and how it's
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Speaker 5: all constructed, you.
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Speaker 3: Know how the sausages made this act. It's it's a.
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Speaker 5: Little harder to watch, yeah, because you're just like that
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Speaker 5: was obviously, you know, manipulated that sentence actually wasn't really
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Speaker 5: what was set, you.
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Speaker 2: Know what I mean, we call that the Frank and Eda.
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Speaker 2: I think I learned that from how their money produced
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Speaker 2: the stars. The Frank can edit where you see. I mean,
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Speaker 2: I remember my season in The Bachelor when they you
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Speaker 2: know that I was the kissing bandit right, allegedly, So
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Speaker 2: what they did I'll never forget in the first episode
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Speaker 2: of my show was that, like, you know, this season
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Speaker 2: on The Bachelor, and it looked like it was the
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Speaker 2: same night me making out with absolutely everyone in the
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Speaker 2: cast not gonna be wrong or not gonna be dishonest
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Speaker 2: kind of happened, but it wasn't on the same night,
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Speaker 2: Like I had a different tie on, right, But you
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Speaker 2: don't even notice that, right. But it's like, you know,
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Speaker 2: the way they they present it is, you know, to
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Speaker 2: create drama, in which I still think the Bachelor producers
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Speaker 2: are wonderful at producing drama, right, I mean, I don't
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Speaker 2: think there's very few that are better at it. But
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Speaker 2: I think that maybe the formatting of it I mean,
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Speaker 2: what would you say, Alana from being your producer, mindset
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Speaker 2: and your history as a producer on the show, and
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Speaker 2: just in general, do you think they need to rethink
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Speaker 2: how they're presenting the show?
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Speaker 1: Well, I think it takes too long.
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Speaker 6: It's just such a long process and it's outdated with
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Speaker 6: the shooting schedule, the editing, and then when they finally
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Speaker 6: put it out. When you think about shows like Love Island,
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Speaker 6: it's like boom, boom boom. And I don't even watch
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Speaker 6: Love Island, but I know that it airs pretty quickly.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's very there's something.
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Speaker 6: I mean, it's really great because now the way people
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Speaker 6: consume content, it's like immediate. Everyone wants immediate gratification. And
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Speaker 6: so Love Island is so great because it's happening now
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Speaker 6: and then you're able to see the fallout on social
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Speaker 6: media and all of that. Whereas The Bachelor it's like
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Speaker 6: they film it and then no one can talk about
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Speaker 6: anything while they're waiting for it to air, and even
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Speaker 6: when it does air and we're going to talk about
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Speaker 6: this later, you can't talk about anything even after it
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Speaker 6: airs because you're under such tight, ironclad you know, and.
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Speaker 3: Then you know the agreements of that nature.
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Speaker 1: You need to like loosen up. And certain people like
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Speaker 1: me when I was the villain. There's certain people that
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Speaker 1: they do let talk, and then there's some that they silence.
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Speaker 6: They let the people like the Disney princesses so to speak,
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Speaker 6: talk like the people who are like, you know, they're safe.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, But I.
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Speaker 2: Mean, I do think there's probably a little bit of
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Speaker 2: a double standard there. But it's not just the villains
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Speaker 2: that aren't allowed to talk. I mean I was, I
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Speaker 2: was the lead of a very successful season and I
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Speaker 2: had some legal wrangling with the Batcher folks. Yeah, so
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Speaker 2: we can talk about that too. Yeah, a lot more
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Speaker 2: than that, sister, So we talk about this. She's All Batch, right,
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Speaker 2: That She's All Batched podcast just came out recently and
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Speaker 2: she was served with a seasoned decist from what I
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Speaker 2: understand or something of that nature about the fact that
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Speaker 2: she is allegedly leading people into breaking their NDAs by
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Speaker 2: sharing information. So on She's All Batched podcast with Stephanie,
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Speaker 2: she recently received a letter from I would guess the
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Speaker 2: ABC legal or something of that nature, stating that she
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Speaker 2: needed to stop basically booking guests that were not going
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Speaker 2: through the proper channels, which would mean being vetted through
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Speaker 2: the publicity team at ABC. Right, and who knows, maybe
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Speaker 2: this was born out of the Mel deal right where
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Speaker 2: Mel went on and did a podcast right when he
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Speaker 2: was the Golden Bacheler guy and just blew up his
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Speaker 2: whole season right before it went live. If you're thinking
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Speaker 2: about it as a host of the show, you don't
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Speaker 2: do anything wrong. I mean, at the end of the day,
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Speaker 2: it's the individual who signed the contracts responsibility to manage
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Speaker 2: their lives, right, Stephanie can't manage their lives for them. Like,
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Speaker 2: at the end of the day, you know what you're
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Speaker 2: allowed to say and what you're not allowed to say it.
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Speaker 2: If you decide to say it, that's on you.
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Speaker 6: Also, not the first time ABC has done this. I'm
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Speaker 6: pretty sure that they did this surreality Steve as.
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Speaker 1: Well along there.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I remember that he ended.
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Speaker 6: Up settling and it never went to court. But yeah,
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Speaker 6: they've done this before.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I think it's grasping at straws to
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Speaker 2: a certain degree, you know, I mean, at a certain point,
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Speaker 2: it's like, if you see what's happening on the other shows,
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Speaker 2: they're encouraging these people to get out there as much
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Speaker 2: as humanly possible, right, because no press is bad press, right,
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Speaker 2: All press is good press.
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Speaker 3: Right.
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Speaker 2: But Courtney, I mean, I know you had an experience
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Speaker 2: where they wanted to kind of keep you quiet.
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Speaker 3: What was that?
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Speaker 1: Yeah? For sure, Well, I wrote a book. I didn't
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Speaker 1: come here to make friends, and that talk about getting
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Speaker 1: the call from Warner Brothers like Burtney, we just saw
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Speaker 1: you on any news doing your book. You know, photo shoot,
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Speaker 1: we're getting ready to send you a cease and desist.
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Speaker 1: Doesn't feel good. That does not feel good. But that's
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Speaker 1: a story for another time. So luckily I was able
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Speaker 1: to do that, but I had to jump through so
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Speaker 1: many who Yeah, when I came off my season, Twitter
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Speaker 1: had just kind of become a thing. Instagram had just started. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: and we weren't allowed to have any of that. I
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Speaker 1: don't know if did they make you shuit down your
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Speaker 1: social media when you were filming Zach season?
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Speaker 5: Yeah you have to go like private, Yeah yeah, can't
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Speaker 5: open up and chill.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so I was so mad. I like, finally
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Speaker 1: I got on Twitter, and then that felt good because
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Speaker 1: I could talk. I got opportunities to go on talk shows,
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Speaker 1: and you have to get it approved. Every opportunity I
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Speaker 1: got was denied, Yeah, denied, denied. I got really amazing
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Speaker 1: opportunities and money making opportunities. So they just I think
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Speaker 1: it's because I'm that person who's just I'll just say whatever,
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Speaker 1: right and wild card. But it's so hard because like
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Speaker 1: the girl, the runner up that I'm friends with, Lindsay,
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Speaker 1: she went and did Good Morning America. Yeah, she went
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Speaker 1: and did the rounds and they silenced me. So now
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Speaker 1: I'm in good standing with the ABC and to kind
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Speaker 1: of walk it back to how we started, like the show,
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Speaker 1: and you touched on it, the fact that they like,
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Speaker 1: don't let they're not keeping up with the times, Like
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Speaker 1: look at all these elevated shows. I spent weeks renovating
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Speaker 1: the Bachelor Mansion takeover for Taylor Frankie Paul's season because
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Speaker 1: that place, Bob, you know, that place needed a facelift.
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Speaker 1: And so I think that they were taking the steps
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Speaker 1: to elevate, you know, to make it in competition with
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Speaker 1: like Love Island and all that sort of thing. But
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Speaker 1: I mean they had to go back and edit that
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Speaker 1: show because they canceled Taylor's and we had we've been
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Speaker 1: saying like, oh, we're gonna We're gonna fix this mansion
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Speaker 1: up for Taylor Frankie Paul and then they you know,
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Speaker 1: touching on Stephanie Parker. She is in like she was
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Speaker 1: getting the screeners for Taylor Frankie Paul's season. Mel and
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Speaker 1: Peg went on and was approved. So this is how
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Speaker 1: it started. And then they reached back out to come
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Speaker 1: back on and she interviewed them again, so ABC approved
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Speaker 1: them for Stephanie Parker. She's all batch. So what happened
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Speaker 1: was that she did a pretty explosive interview with Sam
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Speaker 1: McKinney and a couple other people as well. But they've
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Speaker 1: tried to silence Sam. And Sam McKinney was on on
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Speaker 1: my show, The Bachelor Mansion Takeover. We have talked offline,
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Speaker 1: so I can't speak too much to that, but he
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Speaker 1: was in Paradise and he's with a cup of Joe.
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Speaker 1: What's her name, cupa Joe? Oh yeah, and they have
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Speaker 1: silenced him a contract now. So that's what pissed ABC off.
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Speaker 1: And it's not like her inciting them to like they
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Speaker 1: will all want to come on. They're willingly going.
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Speaker 2: On and they want to talk about their experience because
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Speaker 2: they want, you know, they I mean, I think we
11:41
Speaker 2: all love to talk about it, like it was such
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Speaker 2: a fun and unique experience and experience.
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Speaker 1: So like they had they just approved Hannah Brown. She
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Speaker 1: just did an amazing They reached out to Stephanie Parker,
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Speaker 1: she just had Hannah Brown on to promote her book.
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Speaker 6: But it's also not her responsibility. She doesn't work for ABC,
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Speaker 6: she never signed anything, so it's not she's all batch.
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Speaker 1: It's not her responsibility to people.
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Speaker 2: It's also I think I think it's you know, for example,
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Speaker 2: with iHeart, like, you know, I know, our producers reach
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Speaker 2: out and go through the proper channels, right, But at
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Speaker 2: the same time, when you're somebody who started your own
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Speaker 2: podcast and you're not through a network and you're you know,
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Speaker 2: you're looking to get guests on your show, again, not
12:21
Speaker 2: her problem. Yeah, I mean, if she wants to be
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Speaker 2: the first person to have those opportunities and people who
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Speaker 2: have been on those shows, then she would go through
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Speaker 2: those proper channels and do whatever she has to do.
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Speaker 2: But in her mind, she's like, well, I'll interview people
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Speaker 2: who've been on twenty years ago, people have been on
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Speaker 2: five years ago.
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Speaker 3: It doesn't matter to me. Five minutes ago, the talk yeah.
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Speaker 1: Also, you know, she she blasted him. I'm so proud
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Speaker 1: of her. She did a whole episode she read the
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Speaker 1: letter and basically broke it down for everybody, and she's like,
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Speaker 1: maybe I won't cover it. Like it's like you said,
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Speaker 1: all press is good. Yeah, she's promoting the show that
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Speaker 1: isn't dying read.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: So a lot with your experience, I mean, you're a
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Speaker 2: producer obviously formerly the Bachelor.
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Speaker 3: I got a lot of a lot of avenues to
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Speaker 3: go on with you.
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Speaker 2: But first and four or most, what are your thoughts
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Speaker 2: on why things are declining as quickly as they are,
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Speaker 2: I mean, other than the fact that there's a lot
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Speaker 2: of competition, right.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, I was thinking about this recently. So one of
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Speaker 6: the what I think, in my opinion, one of the
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Speaker 6: best seasons of Bachelor.
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Speaker 3: In Paradise besides oh yeah.
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Speaker 1: Besides where you on it?
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Speaker 3: No, no, god, no, okay.
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Speaker 6: One of I think one of the most entertaining seasons,
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Speaker 6: and the season that actually made me want to work
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Speaker 6: on the show in general, was the one with Blake
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Speaker 6: Horseman and all that stuff happening, and they had the
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Speaker 6: drama happening from.
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Speaker 3: Stage coaches, right, I remember that?
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Speaker 6: Yeah, And so something the show goes against is when
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Speaker 6: they bring casts, when they bring cast members on previous contestants,
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Speaker 6: they're against them having previous relationships before the show airs,
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Speaker 6: and I think that really works against them and works
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Speaker 6: against the show, makes it less entertaining. Because Heather and
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Speaker 6: I are actually talking about this the other day, like,
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Speaker 6: if you think about this is a totally different franchise,
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Speaker 6: but the Real Housewives. Right now, I'm rewatching The Real
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Speaker 6: Housewives of New York season one, and the thing that's
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Speaker 6: so amazing about that show makes it such good television
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Speaker 6: is that these women all have real relationships outside of airing.
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Speaker 6: So when dramas happening, you just really believe it and
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Speaker 6: you buy into it so much.
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Speaker 3: More well, and you feel the baggage.
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Speaker 2: I mean, that's really what it is, right, I Mean,
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Speaker 2: nine times out of ten, when things come to a head,
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Speaker 2: it's not even about that particular thing that just came
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Speaker 2: to ahead. It's about so much other shit that hasn't
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Speaker 2: been talked about yet, and you see that in those relationships.
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Speaker 2: I agree, Like I think I remember that season. I
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Speaker 2: actually remember the drama around the entire thing, because that
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Speaker 2: was right when we started doing a lot more of
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Speaker 2: the iHeart stuff at that time, and I got to
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Speaker 2: know those guys a lot better. I heard all about
14:42
Speaker 2: the stagecoach drama, right, so I was kind of in
14:43
Speaker 2: the middle of it all going wait, what why wasn't
14:45
Speaker 2: I invited? And that was that was another you know,
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Speaker 2: another question for another day, just kidding before it wise,
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Speaker 2: I was like, this is crazy, like what do we
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Speaker 2: you know? And then when it unfolded on the show,
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Speaker 2: or to a certain degree, you saw it, but you
14:56
Speaker 2: didn't get to see as much of the backstory that
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Speaker 2: would have made it more interesting for people to dig into.
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Speaker 2: You got to hear a little bit about it right
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Speaker 2: just in passing, but you didn't really get the real
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Speaker 2: the meaning.
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Speaker 6: That's why I think the biggest problem is just how
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Speaker 6: much control they feel like they need over everybody and everything.
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Speaker 1: And if they could loosen that up.
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Speaker 6: A bit and just let people live out whatever is
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Speaker 6: happening from what they experienced on the show, they would
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Speaker 6: end up getting much better stories like they did because
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Speaker 6: of the stage coach thing. You know what, if they
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Speaker 6: did a new season and instead of just getting an
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Speaker 6: entirely new group of contestants, they wrangled previous contestants that
15:40
Speaker 6: have been on Bachelor and Paradise or other seasons and
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Speaker 6: brought everyone back. Because it's people that the audience already loves,
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Speaker 6: they follow them.
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Speaker 1: I think that's why people like Bachelor mentioned takeover, because
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Speaker 1: they got to see past contestants. I think that's a
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Speaker 1: great idea. Yeah, sure we didn't.
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Speaker 5: They do like Winter Games and they brought together and stuff,
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Speaker 5: but yeah, what happened to that?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, no one watched. The ratings are really low.
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Speaker 2: I mean, Bachelor of Paradise has almost become more of
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Speaker 2: the staple of the franchise, I think, more than the
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Speaker 2: actual Bachelor or the bachelorise is so great.
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Speaker 1: I loved Paradise as a viewer before, but then they
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Speaker 1: added the element of like the cash, it was so
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Speaker 1: disjointed and I didn't want to well.
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Speaker 2: You know, it's still like it became for lover, money
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Speaker 2: meets f boy Island meets everything.
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Speaker 3: It's like they were just chasing it, you know, and
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Speaker 3: I think too much.
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Speaker 5: And they brought in a new camera crew, like I
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Speaker 5: feel like that that was.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and it was more Yeah, and I don't did it.
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Speaker 1: I don't think it did well. Did it.
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Speaker 3: I don't think like.
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Speaker 5: Even with the money aspect, even with the new editing and.
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Speaker 1: Stuff like that.
16:42
Speaker 2: And I would say this too, I feel like, if
16:44
Speaker 2: you're going to do that, I almost feel like, do
16:46
Speaker 2: its own, do its own version of it, right, like
16:50
Speaker 2: kind of trying to cross pollinate those two shows on
16:52
Speaker 2: Bachelor and Paradise did not mention it.
16:54
Speaker 3: Yeah, it didn't work for me.
16:55
Speaker 2: I'm like, and I love Kathy, and I love you know, Gonzo,
16:58
Speaker 2: and I love everyone that's on there.
16:59
Speaker 3: But I'm like, like, guys, like, come on, like, what
17:02
Speaker 3: is going on here?
17:02
Speaker 2: You know? And then when the young guy what is
17:06
Speaker 2: his name, Jonathan, you know, got the got the rose
17:10
Speaker 2: from Yeah, and it's like.
17:11
Speaker 3: The Hell's going on? I don't know.
17:13
Speaker 2: It just became like such a cluster for me. I
17:14
Speaker 2: couldn't even follow it. But so a lot of let's
17:17
Speaker 2: talk about this too. There's been a lot of conversation about,
17:20
Speaker 2: of course, producers and their interactions with the show, right
17:23
Speaker 2: And I know that I know that lions can get
17:26
Speaker 2: blurry from a production perspective. I mean, friendships obviously form,
17:29
Speaker 2: you know, I mean, I'm still friends with a few
17:31
Speaker 2: of the producer producers from my season, but most recently
17:35
Speaker 2: obviously a book was written about Peter Webber's season and
17:37
Speaker 2: the producer on that.
17:39
Speaker 6: What do you think about that, Bob, I don't think
17:44
Speaker 6: you know my story. I don't know, probably not.
17:47
Speaker 3: Let's hear it.
17:48
Speaker 6: Oh, I won't get into a whole story, but I
17:50
Speaker 6: was dating a producer on the show while I was
17:52
Speaker 6: on the show and he actually curse. Yeah, he's a
17:57
Speaker 6: bunch of Bachelor condescens. My well we're together and after
18:01
Speaker 6: but anyway, yeah, yeah, this is not what's new. And
18:07
Speaker 6: what's different about her story is it's a woman that
18:12
Speaker 6: slept with a male contestant, where usually it's the male
18:16
Speaker 6: producer sleeping. And if you don't one of my favorite
18:19
Speaker 6: I wasn't. I probably was in high school. Don't even
18:21
Speaker 6: know when this episode came out, But one of my
18:23
Speaker 6: favorite things from Bachelor in Paradise is when the audio
18:26
Speaker 6: guy left with the girl and then they recreated it
18:29
Speaker 6: because he like had to. The audio guy was sleeping
18:33
Speaker 6: with a contestant on Bachelor in Paradise and then they
18:36
Speaker 6: found out and he jumped off.
18:38
Speaker 3: A balcony didn't break a leg.
18:43
Speaker 1: It was so funny.
18:45
Speaker 6: It's happening. I mean, you we all know that ian
18:48
Speaker 6: happens on every show.
18:52
Speaker 1: Time men and women have been sleeping.
18:55
Speaker 5: No, I'm actually like, obviously I won't say the name,
18:58
Speaker 5: but I obviously know who it is.
18:59
Speaker 1: And that's just crazy. Yes, and like us to think.
19:02
Speaker 5: Like that was happening behind closed doors is insane to
19:06
Speaker 5: me because it's like, you come in, you're so vulnerable
19:10
Speaker 5: as a contestant, you've never been on TV before and
19:12
Speaker 5: they know that, right, So like for him, that's very
19:15
Speaker 5: manipulative for him exactly because we look to you guys
19:19
Speaker 5: as like companions.
19:21
Speaker 1: Is like we look you are it for us.
19:24
Speaker 2: Being a reality producer is a very tough job, right,
19:26
Speaker 2: because you do in theory, your job is to get.
19:30
Speaker 3: People to trust you.
19:31
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly.
19:31
Speaker 2: People who are vulnerable are who are nervous, who are
19:35
Speaker 2: willing to expose things about themselves and say things about
19:38
Speaker 2: themselves that could be very you know, it could cause
19:41
Speaker 2: them some problems, right with family, friends, whatever it is,
19:44
Speaker 2: And your job is to encourage that, to get that out.
19:47
Speaker 3: Of them and then to them to make them feel
19:49
Speaker 3: like they should do it.
19:50
Speaker 2: Well.
19:51
Speaker 6: A lot of people don't realize is you have a
19:53
Speaker 6: boss as a producer. Yeah, And there's a pecking order
19:56
Speaker 6: and sometimes your boss comes to you, and in entertain
20:00
Speaker 6: industry it's very cut through. If you don't do your job,
20:02
Speaker 6: there's twenty people waiting to take it. So someone comes
20:06
Speaker 6: to you and they're like, this is what we need
20:08
Speaker 6: and you need to do this, and then you have
20:10
Speaker 6: to do that, and then the producer is the one
20:12
Speaker 6: that gets like, but it's it comes.
20:14
Speaker 3: From above above. Yeah, you know, yeah, a lot of times.
20:18
Speaker 3: And I think it's a lot of pressure.
20:19
Speaker 1: It's a lot of pressure.
20:20
Speaker 6: But for Julie, well, what's what do I think? There's
20:23
Speaker 6: a lot of things that I think. So you've got
20:25
Speaker 6: to be specific about all right.
20:26
Speaker 2: Do you think that it was right for her to
20:30
Speaker 2: put her all in a book without with your bag sweetie?
20:34
Speaker 3: Yeah?
20:34
Speaker 2: I mean out running it past the dude she tried
20:38
Speaker 2: she did, he said, I don't want you to do it.
20:40
Speaker 6: The stories are conflicting between Peter and Julie from how
20:44
Speaker 6: it sounds where she said she tried to send him
20:47
Speaker 6: the book. She tried to connect with him and he
20:49
Speaker 6: didn't respond, So.
20:51
Speaker 3: He's avoiding her basically.
20:53
Speaker 6: Yeah, and yeah, so.
20:56
Speaker 1: And then I wanted to interview her, and then I
20:59
Speaker 1: started hearing her interviews. I think she was on Ben
21:01
Speaker 1: and Ashley's and I was a little underwhelmed. I'm not
21:04
Speaker 1: gonna lie.
21:05
Speaker 6: Well I heard her and she's all batch yeah, and
21:08
Speaker 6: it wasn't really.
21:08
Speaker 1: Spilling any tea. Everybody wanted to know if she slept
21:13
Speaker 1: with Peter.
21:13
Speaker 6: I think she says in the book that she slapped
21:15
Speaker 6: with him one time, but.
21:17
Speaker 1: She go into details. We want details, she says, it's
21:20
Speaker 1: just like a Bachelor episode. Oh good, we want the details.
21:27
Speaker 6: What what's the size?
21:34
Speaker 3: What does Peter's mom think about it?
21:37
Speaker 6: Well, she's been very public about what she thinks about it.
21:39
Speaker 6: She says, like break the NDA, like lift the NDA,
21:42
Speaker 6: ABC so Peter can speak. I think she's made a
21:44
Speaker 6: post about that.
21:45
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, why how long is this NDA? It's perpetrating? Well, now,
21:50
Speaker 3: if you get sued.
21:51
Speaker 2: The one thing I was able to win out of
21:52
Speaker 2: that was my freedom, So you know, mine was much different.
21:55
Speaker 2: It was back in the early days of The Bachelor,
21:57
Speaker 2: of course, and they cast me to be the Bachelor
21:59
Speaker 2: because of Trist's season, but also because I owned a
22:03
Speaker 2: business and I had a record deal, right, and that
22:05
Speaker 2: was appealing.
22:05
Speaker 3: That was like, oh, you know you have this other
22:07
Speaker 3: live by the way you as a singer too, by.
22:10
Speaker 1: The way, well through AI.
22:11
Speaker 6: So we need to hear your music, you told Courtney,
22:14
Speaker 6: and I had no clue.
22:15
Speaker 3: We did not know that they silenced me. They did it.
22:18
Speaker 3: They their mission mission accomplished. Guys.
22:22
Speaker 2: I too wrote a book, but but I actually ran
22:24
Speaker 2: the book past the production team first, so I didn't
22:26
Speaker 2: get any grief over that. But anyway, after I filmed,
22:30
Speaker 2: after we finished filming trist the season, and then and
22:33
Speaker 2: so I put my music.
22:34
Speaker 3: Career on hold for a little while.
22:35
Speaker 2: And after we did my Bachelor season, my record label
22:40
Speaker 2: renegotiated my contract with me because I'd been on contract
22:43
Speaker 2: with them already for the two albums that I owed them.
22:45
Speaker 3: And the third album was coming out, and.
22:49
Speaker 2: People that had been you know, affiliate of the show
22:53
Speaker 2: were excited about it to my face. And then when
22:56
Speaker 2: I got home, I received a lawsuit for a lot
22:59
Speaker 2: of money, and I was like, I'm.
23:02
Speaker 3: Ten million dollars, ten million bucks, and.
23:07
Speaker 2: So I was terrified, and it was treacherous and it
23:12
Speaker 2: was horrible, and I had to hire an attorney and
23:15
Speaker 2: I won the right not to pay ten million dollars.
23:17
Speaker 3: I'll just put it to you that way.
23:18
Speaker 2: But I you know, I said it to them at
23:20
Speaker 2: the time, I was like, sue me for a billion.
23:21
Speaker 2: I don't have that either, Like what's going on?
23:24
Speaker 3: And it was it was an obvious.
23:26
Speaker 2: It was an obvious effort to send a message to
23:29
Speaker 2: future contestants, Right, well, if they're willing to sue me,
23:31
Speaker 2: and I was the lead of the show, they'll sue
23:33
Speaker 2: anybody who's you know, not doing what they think they
23:36
Speaker 2: should be doing. But the problem was and the reason
23:38
Speaker 2: why I was not you know, I still had a
23:42
Speaker 2: lot of issues with it from for example, I had
23:45
Speaker 2: to pay my own legal bills and my record got
23:48
Speaker 2: pulled off the shelves, and there's a lot that happened
23:50
Speaker 2: with that, and I actually ended up losing my deal
23:52
Speaker 2: over it, which was a bummer.
23:54
Speaker 3: But one of the things that came is I'm at peace.
23:57
Speaker 2: But one of the things that came as the result
23:59
Speaker 2: of it was and you know, the courts basically said,
24:03
Speaker 2: you know, you can't stop someone from doing what they
24:06
Speaker 2: were doing for a living prior to coming on this
24:10
Speaker 2: show just because they came on the show, right, Like
24:12
Speaker 2: I wasn't asking to go and do promotional rounds for
24:14
Speaker 2: the next six months, right, But because the season was
24:18
Speaker 2: really successful.
24:19
Speaker 3: I was just constantly out there and.
24:23
Speaker 2: Long story short, it is a big reason why I'm
24:25
Speaker 2: affiliated with iHeart today is because of Amy Sugarman and
24:27
Speaker 2: some things that I love about her. That she was
24:30
Speaker 2: willing to take some chances for me in situations that
24:33
Speaker 2: meant a lot to me. And so you know, from
24:35
Speaker 2: that perspective, you know, it's like you come out of
24:37
Speaker 2: that thing thinking everyone's your best friend, and you know,
24:40
Speaker 2: then you realize your commodity, right. And I used to
24:42
Speaker 2: say it to all the guys and I and you know,
24:45
Speaker 2: this never makes it to air for anything, but they
24:47
Speaker 2: would always the would ask me to talk to the
24:49
Speaker 2: new bachelor's and my thing with the new bachelors that
24:51
Speaker 2: I'd always go, Guys, I get it. You're America's most
24:55
Speaker 2: desirable bachelor, right, You're a personal chain of living in
24:58
Speaker 2: your mom's basement. Let's be honest. And at the end
25:01
Speaker 2: of the day, at the end of the day, it's
25:02
Speaker 2: not about you, bro, It's about thirty smoke shows out
25:05
Speaker 2: there who are alpha women who have never lost to
25:07
Speaker 2: another woman in their lives. And you're a monkey hand
25:10
Speaker 2: and out of flower. And if you don't give them
25:11
Speaker 2: a flower, they're gonna cry. Yeah, I'm not crying because
25:13
Speaker 2: of you. They're crying because they just lost to her.
25:15
Speaker 3: Right.
25:15
Speaker 2: I'm like, if you get over yourself and you think
25:17
Speaker 2: about it, and that's but that's how I viewed The Bachelor.
25:19
Speaker 3: For me, I kind of viewed it like then as
25:22
Speaker 3: I was doing it, but I really.
25:23
Speaker 2: Viewed it like that afterwards, when I thought about it
25:25
Speaker 2: and got over myself for five minutes, you know.
25:27
Speaker 3: But it was it was a really humbling experience going
25:29
Speaker 3: through that.
25:30
Speaker 2: And you know, you can you can speak to that
25:32
Speaker 2: knowing when you have people barking up your tree that
25:34
Speaker 2: you thought were your friends and you're.
25:35
Speaker 3: It's one of those things.
25:37
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, yeah, they'll be your best friend.
25:40
Speaker 1: Yeah, until they're not hard for a lot of contest.
25:42
Speaker 2: So well, I will say this, you know, hopefully, hopefully
25:45
Speaker 2: those experiences you know, that we've had that weren't great.
25:48
Speaker 2: I mean, I still love the franchise, obviously, I talk
25:50
Speaker 2: about it on a weekly basis or a monthly basis.
25:53
Speaker 2: However many times I'm potting, but uh, you know, at
25:56
Speaker 2: the end of the day, it's like I love the
25:57
Speaker 2: people that I knew that were filling with the show,
25:59
Speaker 2: that are still my friends to this day. Made tons
26:01
Speaker 2: of friends with the guys on Tristas season. Still very
26:04
Speaker 2: friendly with a lot of the women from my season,
26:06
Speaker 2: even my final two, which is which is nice.
26:10
Speaker 3: We've had them on the show. We' found him on
26:11
Speaker 3: the ogs.
26:12
Speaker 2: But at the end of the day, it's like it
26:14
Speaker 2: is what you make it, right, So if you choose
26:15
Speaker 2: to turn it into a positive, and you choose to
26:18
Speaker 2: really you know, and I didn't have a great fortune
26:20
Speaker 2: of meeting you know, my forever love on the show
26:22
Speaker 2: like you did, which I think is awesome.
26:23
Speaker 3: You know, that's that's the real success of the show.
26:26
Speaker 6: So and she's married now.
26:29
Speaker 1: I flashed my rings, but I went to.
26:32
Speaker 6: Say something real quick, of course, okay, because I remember,
26:35
Speaker 6: And then I want to bring it back to Julie
26:36
Speaker 6: because there's something I wanted to say about that whole thing.
26:39
Speaker 6: But I remember Katie meeting you for the first time,
26:42
Speaker 6: and I remember thinking like, this is a real bitch.
26:44
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah.
26:45
Speaker 1: When I left.
26:46
Speaker 6: Your hotel room, I was like, this girl is for real,
26:49
Speaker 6: truly for real. And now you guys are It's so crazy,
26:52
Speaker 6: isn't it crazy?
26:53
Speaker 3: No?
26:54
Speaker 1: Zat nice.
26:54
Speaker 5: Still like every month there's always a conversation, We're like,
26:58
Speaker 5: holy yeah, like we were on a TV show. We
27:01
Speaker 5: got engaged, we're a success story. We actually love each
27:04
Speaker 5: other so much. Yeah, it's crazy and it's chill. No,
27:08
Speaker 5: it's for real.
27:19
Speaker 2: You know. I'll say this about Tristan Ryan. It's one
27:21
Speaker 2: of the things because I love I love them as
27:23
Speaker 2: a couple, and one of the things I thought they
27:25
Speaker 2: did very well, which you know, you and Triesta should
27:28
Speaker 2: talk because I think you probably you know, it could
27:30
Speaker 2: help inform some of that, or maybe talk to Ryan
27:32
Speaker 2: even too, because Ryan's pretty awesome dude to talk to.
27:35
Speaker 2: But I think one of the things they did very
27:36
Speaker 2: well was put their relationship first ahead of the show fluff, right,
27:40
Speaker 2: Like they were never kind of so enamored with the
27:43
Speaker 2: show stuff that they forgot what they were trying to
27:45
Speaker 2: accomplish behind the scenes. And I think that's a big deal,
27:47
Speaker 2: you know. But anyway, Yes, I want to go back
27:49
Speaker 2: to LaPlaca.
27:50
Speaker 6: So one thing about LaPlaca. Yeah, it's very clear that
27:56
Speaker 6: she's still in bed with the producers.
27:58
Speaker 3: Okay, I want to where we're going with that.
28:00
Speaker 6: You know, because you were talking about being hit with
28:02
Speaker 6: a lawsuit and all that. She clearly is not because
28:05
Speaker 6: everything I mean from my point of view, and I
28:07
Speaker 6: haven't looked too much into it, but it seems very
28:10
Speaker 6: clear that.
28:10
Speaker 1: She's still They're good.
28:13
Speaker 6: One thing I do want to say about her is
28:17
Speaker 6: I remember, because so I didn't work on this show
28:20
Speaker 6: at the time, when it came out in the press
28:23
Speaker 6: that her and Peter were canoodling and there was that
28:26
Speaker 6: viral photo of them on New Year's Eve, but I
28:29
Speaker 6: remember seeing it, and I remember, like the chatter online
28:34
Speaker 6: was very positive towards her, and everyone loved her, and
28:38
Speaker 6: everyone wanted them to be together and they were shipping
28:42
Speaker 6: that relationship. Now everyone hates her, thinks she's insane. Okay,
28:49
Speaker 6: they think I'm insane too, and I am good, but
28:52
Speaker 6: you know whatever, And they think she's crazy and that
28:55
Speaker 6: she's making things up. And I think that's interesting because
28:58
Speaker 6: I remember not when that happened, everyone loved her, So
29:01
Speaker 6: why suddenly is everyone like painting on her.
29:05
Speaker 2: That's a fickle world out there in reality television.
29:07
Speaker 3: You know, you go from you can go from reality television, no,
29:11
Speaker 3: I know.
29:11
Speaker 2: But having the affiliation with it, I guess, and writing
29:13
Speaker 2: the book, you know what I mean, the whole world
29:15
Speaker 2: around it that I do.
29:16
Speaker 1: Want to touch on is that she talked about the
29:18
Speaker 1: bonuses as a producer. I've heard this. There's a myth
29:21
Speaker 1: for years. You know, when you get a good sound
29:23
Speaker 1: bite like maybe me same winning and then they play
29:26
Speaker 1: it over and over and over. But I've heard, and
29:29
Speaker 1: maybe you could speak to this, that they producers will
29:32
Speaker 1: the market, they see who was doing the interview, and
29:35
Speaker 1: that they will get bonuses.
29:37
Speaker 3: Really, if it goes viral, that's interesting.
29:39
Speaker 1: If it's good, it's part of the storyline. But in
29:42
Speaker 1: her book She Met, she said in her interviews, actually
29:46
Speaker 1: it might have been on She's a well bat, but
29:47
Speaker 1: that that doesn't exist. It exists.
29:50
Speaker 3: Oh, we got it.
29:52
Speaker 6: And actually someone stills me and Venmo and he knows
29:55
Speaker 6: who he is.
29:56
Speaker 3: Screenshot that, Yeah, say.
29:58
Speaker 1: That from my season.
30:00
Speaker 3: That's amazing.
30:00
Speaker 1: They mark the tape and then that's why sometimes the
30:02
Speaker 1: other producers a different one. We'll try to get the
30:04
Speaker 1: same sound.
30:05
Speaker 3: Bite and then I argue that was theirs or something.
30:07
Speaker 5: Yeah, wow, wait, interesting, Okay, I didn't know that.
30:11
Speaker 1: I didn't know something. I want to don't shoot the messenger. Well, yeah,
30:16
Speaker 1: I remember when I heard that. I was like this girl.
30:19
Speaker 6: Conspiracy theory tinfoil hat is like she's hiding because I
30:25
Speaker 6: know for a freaking fact that that happens, and for
30:28
Speaker 6: her to sit there and say that that doesn't exist,
30:30
Speaker 6: I'm like, Okay.
30:32
Speaker 2: Yeah, Wow, she sounds like she's in bad with a
30:36
Speaker 2: couple of people. Well, guys, thank you for being on
30:42
Speaker 2: the show. Thanks for joining me on Almost Famous OG's
30:45
Speaker 2: version of Trista's Famous pick a Ball Classic season two,
30:51
Speaker 2: the Court season. Actually, thank you guys for joining me. Courtney, Alana,
30:55
Speaker 2: and Katie. I appreciate you guys. Thanks for sharing Alana,
30:58
Speaker 2: thank you, thanks for giving a little different insight to it.
31:00
Speaker 3: We appreciate it. Man, that's a lot of fun.
31:02
Speaker 6: Thanks for having me.
31:03
Speaker 3: Of course, I can't wait to talk to you, Gus.
31:04
Speaker 2: I'm sure we have more talking to do, So let's
31:07
Speaker 2: go out there and watch me win some pickleball.