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The Kenny Report | 24 March · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: Line from the Skying New Center. This is the Kenny Report.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining me tonight.
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  Speaker 2: The Coalition party's wrestle with how to woo one nation
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  Speaker 2: voters back to the fold, and some of.
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  Speaker 1: Them still don't get it.
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  Speaker 2: The Albanezy Labor government signs up for what looks like
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  Speaker 2: a dud trade deal with Europe, and we end up
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  Speaker 2: with a lot of silly talk about climate change and
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  Speaker 2: is Labor planning a new tax for road users even
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  Speaker 2: while we're running out of fuel? All that, the ABC
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  Speaker 2: goes on strike travel Roots, Tim Blair, Christen Tate and
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  Speaker 2: the Tuesday Panel with Susi O'Brien and the incredible disappearing
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  Speaker 2: Stephen Senna Tempo, We've got to check you in on
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  Speaker 2: how the Liberal Party, how the Coalition is dealing with
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  Speaker 2: the rise of one nation.
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  Speaker 1: To them, it's the threat of one nation.
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  Speaker 2: Because Pauline Hanson's party primarily takes votes from the Coalition,
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  Speaker 2: it splits the right of said to vote, which is
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  Speaker 2: why it inadvertently helps Labor. But that's clearly not the
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  Speaker 2: aim of one nation or the people who vote for it.
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  Speaker 2: What should matter to the Liberals is not what's happening,
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  Speaker 2: but why, What should matter is not the impact of
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  Speaker 2: the votes, but what voters want. In other words, get
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  Speaker 2: your heads out of the political bubble and think about
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  Speaker 2: what voters actually want for their country. But too many liberals,
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  Speaker 2: too often don't seem to get it.
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  Speaker 3: Let me be very clear as to the singular outcome
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  Speaker 3: of that election result on Saturday night.
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  Speaker 1: And that is that a vote for One Nation.
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  Speaker 4: Is a vote for a record labor majority. If you
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  Speaker 4: want to change labor governments across this country, you need.
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  Speaker 1: To vote liberal. Really, that's your key point.
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  Speaker 2: I'd suggest One Nation voters don't careiling against what many
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  Speaker 2: of them call the Uni Party. That is, they reckon
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  Speaker 2: there's been bugger all difference between the Coalition and labor.
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  Speaker 2: Same on zero, same on immigration, same on globalization, same
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  Speaker 2: on big government and higher taxes. So don't try to
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  Speaker 2: win over One Nation voters by telling them they're wrong.
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  Speaker 2: Win them over with better policies. Don't tell them how
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  Speaker 2: to get rid of labor. Don't make it their job.
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  Speaker 2: Find a way to get rid of labor yourselves. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: it's the old line about comedians, isn't it. Don't tell
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  Speaker 2: me you're funny, make me laugh. The Coalition shouldn't spend
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  Speaker 2: its time telling voters that they're wrong. It needs to
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  Speaker 2: provide voters with a compelling alternative.
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  Speaker 1: The New South Wales.
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  Speaker 2: Liberal leader has got a better understanding of what's going on.
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  Speaker 5: I don't underestimate them at all, and to underestimate that
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  Speaker 5: one notion vote that frustration would would be unwise. I'm
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  Speaker 5: hearing that frustration and I'm feeling it, and I get it.
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  Speaker 5: I have to say I get it, and it will
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  Speaker 5: be incumbent on me and my team to develop policies
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  Speaker 5: that answer those.
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  Speaker 1: Very legitimate concerns.
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  Speaker 5: And if we don't answer those concerns and we don't
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  Speaker 5: come up with policies, then we don't.
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  Speaker 1: Deserve their vote.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah that's a sensible and straightforward response from Kelly Sloan,
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  Speaker 2: but it is really just a holding line. She needs
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  Speaker 2: to hurry up with the right policies because New South
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  Speaker 2: Wales goes to the polls.
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  Speaker 1: In a year one nation.
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  Speaker 2: Voters might like to see the New South Wales Liberals
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  Speaker 2: get real on electricity and stop the reckless rush to renewables,
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  Speaker 2: but they might want the Liberals to speak up about
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  Speaker 2: immigration levels, given that most migrants end up in Sydney
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  Speaker 2: they might want the Liberals to stand up strongly against
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  Speaker 2: Islamist extremism and explain how they'll combat it, and they
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  Speaker 2: might want to hear what the Liberals and the Nationals
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  Speaker 2: will do to support regional jobs and opportunity of these
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  Speaker 2: the Coalition has been too woke for too long and
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  Speaker 2: many voters have had a gutfull. The Malcolm Turnbulls, the
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  Speaker 2: Stephen Marshalls, the Matt Keanes, the Simon Birmingham's and the
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  Speaker 2: Susan Lees. They've had their way trying to make the
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  Speaker 2: Liberals more like labor, trying to give the liberal blue
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  Speaker 2: a teal tinge. Well, look where that gets you. A
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  Speaker 2: strong mainstream right of center policy agenda is.
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  Speaker 1: The only option.
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  Speaker 2: It's time for the Liberals to stop talking and start acting.
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  Speaker 2: If you think the alban easy labor government is weak
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  Speaker 2: and woke, you know week on Israel, week on anti
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  Speaker 2: Semitism and Islamist extremism, week on the Alliance, week on China,
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  Speaker 2: and week on borders and immigration, as well as woke
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  Speaker 2: on climate change and identity politics.
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  Speaker 1: Of course you'd be right.
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  Speaker 2: And how do you think would be in lockstep with
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  Speaker 2: Anthony Alberesi?
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  Speaker 1: And he's weak, woke labor Green's government.
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  Speaker 2: Well the Europeans, of course, despite the odd standout like
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  Speaker 2: Georgia Moloney in Italy, the EU is painfully weak and woke.
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  Speaker 2: It's become a twin to the United Nations, all about
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  Speaker 2: gestures and a failure on action. So it was a
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  Speaker 2: perfect match for Alberanzi today catching up the EU President
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  Speaker 2: Urshula von d lyon the Europeans, who are usually to
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  Speaker 2: free trade what kryptonite is to Superman. Well, they've agreed
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  Speaker 2: to a free trade deal with Australia.
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  Speaker 6: This agreement is worth ten billion dollars to the Australian
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  Speaker 6: economy on an annual basis. Our relationship with Europe is
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  Speaker 6: grounded in our shared belief in democratic values, in human
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  Speaker 6: rights and the inclusive societies.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah sure, how lovely, But the Europeans aren't really into
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  Speaker 2: free trade. They put up barriers and they pay subsidies
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  Speaker 2: to prop up their farmers at our expense. And already
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  Speaker 2: there are complaints about this deal not doing enough for
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  Speaker 2: our agricultural exporters. Let's see how it goes. No matter
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  Speaker 2: how limited it is, if the deal helps it all,
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  Speaker 2: it might be better than nothing. When it comes to
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  Speaker 2: the big issues though, the big issues of the day,
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  Speaker 2: the hard issues of war and peace and international security
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  Speaker 2: now playing out in the US and Israeli war against Iran.
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  Speaker 2: You'd think free and democratic nations would have their shoulders
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  Speaker 2: to the will. But this is where the weak woke
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  Speaker 2: alliance is fully synchronized.
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  Speaker 7: So what I've said at the beginning of the press statement,
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  Speaker 7: already we think that it is time to go to
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  Speaker 7: the negotiation table and to hand the hostilities. The situation
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  Speaker 7: is critical for the energy supplies worldwide.
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  Speaker 6: Web continued to condemn the Iranian regime for the actions
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  Speaker 6: that's taken in the Strait of Homers. This is having
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  Speaker 6: an impact on the global economy.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, them's a fighting words out.
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  Speaker 2: They Australia and especially Europe will benefit greatly from a
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  Speaker 2: more stable Middle East if Iran is defeated, but they
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  Speaker 2: don't want to put too much skin in the game.
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  Speaker 2: Mere matters of removal global security threats and protecting Western
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  Speaker 2: civilization don't really register with Alban Easy and his EU visitor,
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  Speaker 2: not when they've got bigger fish to fry, like saving
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  Speaker 2: the planet.
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  Speaker 7: In my six years as president, I've witnessed first hand
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  Speaker 7: howle climate change is ravaging our continent, from floods in
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  Speaker 7: Valencia to the wildfire in Greece which Australian firefighters came
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  Speaker 7: and helped put out.
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  Speaker 1: We all know.
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  Speaker 7: What we are seeing is more severe. Dorothea mckella wrote
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  Speaker 7: of Australia's droughts and flooding rains affecting your sunburnt country.
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  Speaker 7: But the point is these climate events have become more
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  Speaker 7: frequent and more intense, and it is our common responsibility
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  Speaker 7: to find solutions to power the planet we leave our children.
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  Speaker 2: Look, this is the same old nonsense, the same old spin,
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  Speaker 2: No matter what the sensationalist media tells you, no matter
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  Speaker 2: what fear and loathing the politicians preach, no matter what
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  Speaker 2: spin we even get from some experts, the simple fact
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  Speaker 2: is that we are not seeing more disasters or worse disasters. Sure,
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  Speaker 2: scientists predict that trend, but a simple check of the
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  Speaker 2: record books and proper reading of the scientific assessments of
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  Speaker 2: what we have seen confirms we are not seeing more
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  Speaker 2: or worse natural disasters. What we're seeing is many politicians
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  Speaker 2: and their media barrickers exaggerating natural disasters, getting hysterical and
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  Speaker 2: trying to create that impression.
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  Speaker 1: And the reason they do.
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  Speaker 2: That is all for politics. It's all to justify their
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  Speaker 2: extremely damaging net zero policies. The fact is that economic pain,
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  Speaker 2: you know, crushed industries, lost jobs, scarred landscapes from the
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  Speaker 2: renewables roll out, and lost opportunities from all the money spent. Well,
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  Speaker 2: with all of that, climate change policies have done far
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  Speaker 2: more damage to the world so far than climate change itself.
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  Speaker 2: An update today on an extraordinary example of political indulgence,
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  Speaker 2: a classic case of snout in the trough behavior from
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  Speaker 2: the Albanese government's Attorney General no less. Back in twenty
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  Speaker 2: twenty three, when Michelle Roland was Communications Minister, she flew
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  Speaker 2: her husband and children to Perth business class at taxpayer's expense,
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  Speaker 2: claiming travel expenses for herself for a few days of work,
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  Speaker 2: before then enjoying a family holiday. Back in December last year,
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  Speaker 2: after the travel roots controversy had engulfed Sports Minister Anika Wells,
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  Speaker 2: Roland's travel was examined and she was forced to repay
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  Speaker 2: her family's travel bill, totaling more than sixteen thousand dollars
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  Speaker 2: of taxpayers money. This news broke around the time of
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  Speaker 2: the Bondai massacre, so understandably it didn't get much attention,
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  Speaker 2: but our own Andrew Clanel didn't forget and he took
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  Speaker 2: the chance to ask Roland about it today.
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  Speaker 1: So you had to pay back half the cost of
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  Speaker 1: the trip.
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  Speaker 8: That's right, that's around that all right.
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  Speaker 9: There was a time when a minister might be forced
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  Speaker 9: to resign over something like this.
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  Speaker 10: Do you accept that?
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  Speaker 8: Well, what I accept is that, whilst I've always sought
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  Speaker 8: to act within the guidelines, when questions were raised, I
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  Speaker 8: sought advice and I took it, and I consider that
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  Speaker 8: to be appropriate.
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  Speaker 1: Do you regret charging that trip to the taxpayer?
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  Speaker 8: Well, certainly this should not have happened, and I will
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  Speaker 8: ensure it doesn't happen again.
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  Speaker 2: Just extraordinary business class flights for the family from Sydney
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  Speaker 2: to Perth and back for a holiday outside the rules
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  Speaker 2: are now repaid by the minister and she stays in
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  Speaker 2: the job. Look, it's pretty easy to work out what
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  Speaker 2: might be fair here. You just have to ask one
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  Speaker 2: simple question. If this series of facts had unfolded with
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  Speaker 2: a coalition government and a coalition minister, would labor demand
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  Speaker 2: that the minister loses her job?
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  Speaker 1: I think we all know the answer.
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  Speaker 2: Now, you know me, I believe in respectful disagreement, So
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  Speaker 2: I'm a bit concerned about what's happening at the ABC Tomorrow.
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  Speaker 2: The taxpayer funded public broadcaster is going to be hit
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  Speaker 2: by a strike. It's molly coddled staff who never get
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  Speaker 2: tired of telling the rest of us that we need
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  Speaker 2: to put up with the costs of net zero, or
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  Speaker 2: pay higher taxes, or they're striking to get more of
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  Speaker 2: our money into their pockets. Tomorrow, and as their soulmates
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  Speaker 2: at The Guardian have revealed today, it'll be a very
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  Speaker 2: different ABC tomorrow. Flagship news programs including seven thirty and
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  Speaker 2: AM will be replaced by BBC World Service as ABC
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  Speaker 2: journalists walk off the job for the first time in
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  Speaker 2: twenty years. Staff are upset about what they call a
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  Speaker 2: low payoffer, as well as work conditions and a lack
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  Speaker 2: of guarantees about the impacts of artificial intelligence. So ABC
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  Speaker 2: TV's seven thirty won't go to air tomorrow night, and
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  Speaker 2: there'll be no ABC News Breakfast on Thursday morning as
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  Speaker 2: Joerno's and studio crew strike. Other major programs like Radio National, Breakfast, AM,
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  Speaker 2: The World Today and PM will go dark, and music
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  Speaker 2: stations Triple J and ABC Classic will play pre programmed
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  Speaker 2: music without presenters. Music without presenters are probably never rate higher.
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  Speaker 2: But my concern is this, Without ABC News and Current Affairs,
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  Speaker 2: radio and television, who will the Greens and Tials politicians
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  Speaker 2: talk to. They'll be wandering around Parliament House corridors feeling
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  Speaker 2: lonely and irrelevant.
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  Speaker 1: And desperate to talk to someone. So I'm going to
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  Speaker 1: make an offer publicly that I've often made privately. Come
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  Speaker 1: on here and talk with me.
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  Speaker 2: Come on, Monique Ryan, Zalie Stegel, Sarah Hanson, Young, Larissa Waters,
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  Speaker 2: Nick McKim, come on for a chat.
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  Speaker 1: You'll have nothing to do without the ABC to talk to.
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  Speaker 1: Come here for a chat. You might even enjoy it.
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  Speaker 2: Let's go to Canberra now, where Dave Shama, the Shadow
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  Speaker 2: Assistant Minister for International Development, has wandered the corridors, found
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  Speaker 2: his way up into the second floor of the Senate
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  Speaker 2: side and the Sky News studios and is prepared to
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  Speaker 2: talk to me.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us, Dave.
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  Speaker 2: I've got to your thoughts first up on how Chris
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  Speaker 2: Bowen is handling the fuel supply shortage today. I noticed
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  Speaker 2: in Parliament today he was much more detailed going through
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  Speaker 2: how many stations have run out of how much fuel
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  Speaker 2: in every state.
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  Speaker 11: Look, Finally, the government's beginning to provide answers. After last
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  Speaker 11: week telling us there was nothing to worry about and
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  Speaker 11: accusing anyone who was asking questions of fear mongering, today
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  Speaker 11: they've started to detail just the level of shortages we're seeing,
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  Speaker 11: and it's pretty striking. I mean, there's eight percent of
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  Speaker 11: service stations across Australia. That's about five hundred to five
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  Speaker 11: hundred and fifty service stations that are out of at
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  Speaker 11: least one type of fuel. And the figures that Chris
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  Speaker 11: Buying gave today are considerably worse than those that he
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  Speaker 11: gave just yesterday. So you know, I think it's long
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  Speaker 11: past time that the government leveled with his shown in
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  Speaker 11: public because everyone knew. I think if the Stradivorn moves
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  Speaker 11: closes and Australia being where we are and being as
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  Speaker 11: dependent as we are on the importational liquid fuels, where
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  Speaker 11: we're going to fill that pretty quickly and pretty sharply.
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  Speaker 11: And that has turned out to be the case.
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  Speaker 2: So we all know that there are two problems here
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  Speaker 2: long term. One is the closure of refineries in Australia.
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  Speaker 2: The other is the lack of storage. We don't have
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  Speaker 2: enough storage in this country. Both of those go back
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  Speaker 2: a long period, so they cover coalition and labor governments.
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  Speaker 1: But what is this government doing wrong on this issue
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  Speaker 1: right now? Look, I think it's a couple of things.
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  Speaker 11: Firstly, the government has not done anything in the last
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  Speaker 11: five years since they came to office. It was the
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  Speaker 11: coalition that passed the Fuel Security Act that helped establish
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  Speaker 11: the framework for the minimum stockholding obligation. Since that time,
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  Speaker 11: we've seen a war in Europe, the Russian Ukraine War,
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  Speaker 11: and a war in the Middle East has been going
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  Speaker 11: for two and a half years. That's the time that
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  Speaker 11: the government should have been using to basically increase the
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  Speaker 11: resilience and security of our supply change, increase the stockholding obligations.
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  Speaker 11: We save two refineries from closing. When we're in government,
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  Speaker 11: the government should have done more, I think, to see
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  Speaker 11: what we could do to improve our refining capacity.
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  Speaker 2: All right, No, what you've done in Parliament and outside
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  Speaker 2: of it is to be commended, though, I think everyone
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  Speaker 2: in the country wants to know the facts, and you've
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  Speaker 2: pushed hard and as you said before, got a lot
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  Speaker 2: more detail out of the government today. Yet Chris Bowen
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  Speaker 2: seems to think that you're being unpatriotic.
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  Speaker 1: Have a look.
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  Speaker 6: The government will work with anyone of goodwill, as we
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  Speaker 6: have done across the board.
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  Speaker 11: We have not heard a single constructive suggestion from the
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  Speaker 11: opposition and it's my single one.
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  Speaker 6: Let's to speak. There's been plenty of sledging and no solutions.
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  Speaker 6: The leadership of the Liberal Party has chosen partisanship, not patriotism,
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  Speaker 6: and they should hang their heads in shave.
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  Speaker 2: What do you reckon the patriotism that the last refuge
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  Speaker 2: of the scoundrel of the coalition not being patriotic by
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  Speaker 2: pointing out what's going on here.
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  Speaker 11: I think that's I think that's a good Samuel Johnson quote.
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  Speaker 11: I think that's Samuel Johnson. I think it's if the
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  Speaker 11: Labor government has to accuse us of a lack of patriotism,
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  Speaker 11: you know, we'll take that any day to draw attention
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  Speaker 11: to the plight that Australians are facing. It's our job
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  Speaker 11: to hold the government to account. They've been refusing to
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  Speaker 11: level with the public or with the Parliament about the
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  Speaker 11: depths of this crisis.
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  Speaker 1: It's about time they did now.
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  Speaker 2: Should we be looking at rationing now just to make
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  Speaker 2: sure that we don't run out all together.
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  Speaker 11: Look, I know just Chris Bowen has held open that
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  Speaker 11: option today. I wouldn't like to see it come to that,
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  Speaker 11: but clearly, you know, we need to start planning for
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  Speaker 11: future contingencies. I think we need to, you know, we
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  Speaker 11: need to be making sure that the people who are
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  Speaker 11: integral to our economy, and that's you know, farmers, manufacturers,
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  Speaker 11: truckers that keep the wheels turning of our economy, we
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  Speaker 11: need to make sure that they are getting access to
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  Speaker 11: the field they need otherwise other things will grow into
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  Speaker 11: a whole.
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  Speaker 1: Dave Shamah, thanks for joining us so I appreciate it,
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  Speaker 1: Dave Shama. They're alive from Canberra. And don't forget on
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  Speaker 1: this energy issue.
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  Speaker 2: That Chris Hulman's presenting a special program on Australia's fuel crisis.
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  Speaker 2: It's coming to where on Sky News on Sunday night.
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  Speaker 2: That'll be seven thirty pm Eastern daylight saving time. Chris
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  Speaker 2: Shulman with the fuel crisis here in Australia. Let's go
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  Speaker 2: to the Italian Telegraph, said Tim Blair, who has been
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  Speaker 2: looking at a few interesting ways to deal with this crisis.
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  Speaker 2: Good to catch up with you. Tim EV's the other
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  Speaker 2: way Ada. That's Chris Bowen's solution. We all have solar
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  Speaker 2: panels and evs, then we'll all be fine until there's
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  Speaker 2: a halstorm.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right.
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  Speaker 10: It's not as though EV's require any oil or fossil
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  Speaker 10: fuels in their manufacturer delivery continued running. They've got the
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  Speaker 10: only This is what I love about the pro EV
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  Speaker 10: sort of lobby, if you want to call it that
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  Speaker 10: in Australia, is that they think that petrol and diesel
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  Speaker 10: the only thing they do is put them into tanks.
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  Speaker 10: They have no other role in the economy at all.
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  Speaker 10: That that's all there is. So if only we were
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  Speaker 10: all with evs, we'd be fine during this crisis. They
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  Speaker 10: really don't know what they're talking about, mate.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I had to laugh. I think it was yesterday,
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  Speaker 1: or it might have been this morning.
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  Speaker 2: I was driving around and saw another on one of
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  Speaker 2: these big buses again saying this is a zero emissions bus.
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  Speaker 1: So you think, how do they make this thing? Is
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  Speaker 1: just a magic one?
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: And there was a bus and now they run and
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: now they run it on electric power or something. Now,
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: speaking of electric power, we've got to talk about these
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: et scooters and e bikes, which are such a safety
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: problem that New South Wales are looking at new laws.
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: To combat them. Have a look is the Transport Minister.
• 20:24
  Speaker 12: They will allow police to operate a lot faster and
• 20:29
  Speaker 12: to seize e bikes far more easily. Some of those
• 20:32
  Speaker 12: e bikes will be crushed where we see the sort
• 20:34
  Speaker 12: of behavior we've seen on golf courses in Sydney or
• 20:38
  Speaker 12: even across the Sydney Harbor Bridge.
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, look good on them, Jim for cracking down on this.
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: But this idea that you break the law, we crush
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: your bike, I mean to me, that's just so wasteful.
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: Isn't it a better idea just to look at who's
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: allowed to get these bikes and what the rules around
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: them should be. I mean, I saw again today, you know,
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: teenage kids their way to school on an e bike,
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: riding in the middle of the lane with cars behind
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: them like a motorcycle. They ought to be treated like motorcycles,
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: which I think is the way that some American states
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: are going.
• 21:11
  Speaker 10: Yeah, and also I don't think this crushed the e
• 21:15
  Speaker 10: bikes strategy is taken into account that these things are
• 21:18
  Speaker 10: also dangerous when you crush them off. We've both discussed
• 21:23
  Speaker 10: this on your show, Chris. When you smash up lithium
• 21:27
  Speaker 10: ion batteries, let's say you know by mistake lithium I
• 21:30
  Speaker 10: in batteries left within the framework. When one of these
• 21:32
  Speaker 10: bikes is destroyed, we'll stand back. I mean, there was
• 21:35
  Speaker 10: a period last year in New South Wales, I think
• 21:37
  Speaker 10: it was Sydney that we were getting a fire a
• 21:39
  Speaker 10: day from lithium iron batteries that were thrown away and
• 21:43
  Speaker 10: say old mobile phones or any other sort of rechargeable device.
• 21:47
  Speaker 10: And yeah, that could be a bit blasty as well.
• 21:50
  Speaker 10: So if you are disposing them, they don't lose their
• 21:52
  Speaker 10: danger just after you take them off the road.
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: Kids crushingly lithium batteries, perhaps I revised that plan. If
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: you muck around on the like, well, it'll be become
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: part of an artificial wreath.
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: Wreath, how about we just we'll sell it to someone else.
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: I don't now.
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: Also on the ev front, it looks like Jim Charmers
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: is finally looking at a road user tax. They've been
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: talking about this for decades. The Lefties have always wanted it.
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: This is the way they can get some revenue from
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: electric vehicles. Rather because they miss out on the fuel
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: x sise, it'll be a rough time to bring that in,
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: wouldn't it, now that we're facing a fuel shortage?
• 22:30
  Speaker 10: How how would you feel if you've done the right thing,
• 22:33
  Speaker 10: you know, by the government, and you've you know, you've
• 22:35
  Speaker 10: taken advantage of the government subsidies and levees, and you've
• 22:39
  Speaker 10: got all your things, like, you know, the government has
• 22:41
  Speaker 10: helped put you into an EV. You know that you've
• 22:44
  Speaker 10: been given these taxpayer payer benefits to get you into
• 22:46
  Speaker 10: an e V, and then they're taxing your EV. Make up,
• 22:50
  Speaker 10: your mind goes, wouldn't it be cheaper overall to just
• 22:53
  Speaker 10: have no no, no no sort of you know, front
• 22:57
  Speaker 10: end sort of thing and then then maybe hit them
• 22:59
  Speaker 10: later on with the charges. But no, it doesn't.
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: It's incoherent.
• 23:03
  Speaker 10: It doesn't make a lot of sense. It shows as
• 23:06
  Speaker 10: well how immature the entire promotion of EV's has been.
• 23:10
  Speaker 10: They haven't got about this right way because they've been
• 23:13
  Speaker 10: entirely religious about it rather than being really realistically based
• 23:16
  Speaker 10: about it.
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: So at the moment, they use taxes and subsidies to
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: get you into an EV, and then they'll tax you
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: for using it. And then if you indicate if fail
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: to indicate while changing lanes, they're going to take it
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: off you and crush it before your very eyes.
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: A lot of fake make up your mind, guys.
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us, Tim, Tim Blair that you can
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: read his stuff in the Daily Telegraph. We're going to
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: get to a break. On the other side. I want
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: to get back to the nuclear energy debate. Let's get
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: back to the energy debate and listen to the International
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: Energy Agencies Executive director talking up nuclear in Canberra yesterday.
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: Plus the.
• 24:00
  Speaker 13: Nuclear is making a big comeback. I can't tell you
• 24:03
  Speaker 13: I have said that four years ago and is coming
• 24:06
  Speaker 13: by still and this will also have to that and
• 24:09
  Speaker 13: therefore reneable to be big here and not driven by
• 24:14
  Speaker 13: the again climate change concerns. The men drove will not
• 24:17
  Speaker 13: be climate change men drove be energy securities.
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, let's bring in the Will Shackle.
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: Of course, the founder of Nuclear for Australia joins me
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: in the studio.
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: Good to see you again. Will. It was interesting to hear.
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: What Fati Biraul Will had to say about nuclear. Of
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: course he's bullish on nuclear. You need nuclear if you're
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: going to do anything about getting to net zero. But
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: he's pretending that solar and renewables can be great for
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: energy security as well.
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: That that's a nonsense.
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: That's where nuclear actually gives you that stability you need.
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: One hundred percent.
• 24:51
  Speaker 14: There's a reason why thirty eight countries around seventy percent
• 24:54
  Speaker 14: of global GDP are now signed up to triple global
• 24:57
  Speaker 14: nuclear capacity, and he had to acknowledge that, say in
• 25:00
  Speaker 14: the press club. He also acknowledged the fact that Australia's
• 25:03
  Speaker 14: got a world leading uranium reserve which we should be
• 25:05
  Speaker 14: taking advantage of. So obviously it was disappointing to see
• 25:09
  Speaker 14: him not fully back nuclear in Australia, but I think
• 25:12
  Speaker 14: he's right to reflect on the huge global progress at
• 25:15
  Speaker 14: the moment because nuclear is essential for energy security.
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that was an interesting point.
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: He said that we should take advantage of our uranium reserves.
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: Well we are, we're exporting from three uranium minds. But
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: what do you think he means by taking advantage from it.
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: Obviously a domestic nuclear industry is one way, but surely
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: we should be processing here. Maybe we should be exporting
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: enriched uranium.
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: One hundred percent.
• 25:37
  Speaker 14: The issue at the moment is South Australia is the
• 25:39
  Speaker 14: only state which is actively exporting uranium. We have bands
• 25:42
  Speaker 14: in place in New South Wales, policy bands in West
• 25:45
  Speaker 14: Australia Queensland which have significant uranium reserves, so they have
• 25:49
  Speaker 14: to be lifted as a first step to unlock our
• 25:51
  Speaker 14: full uranium potential. But importantly there's some progress in New
• 25:55
  Speaker 14: South Wales. John Ruddick has a bill in order to
• 25:58
  Speaker 14: lift those and then obviously we can have a conversation
• 26:00
  Speaker 14: about getting involved in value adding that uranium because there
• 26:03
  Speaker 14: are so many regional partners of ours which are looking
• 26:07
  Speaker 14: for Australia to play a role in delivering the uranium
• 26:10
  Speaker 14: to power their new nuclear plants.
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you've been in New South Wales Parliament today focusing
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: on that.
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: It's a reminder that as well as a national.
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: Band, we have to get rid of those state plans
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: before any private investment come in. Let's have a little
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: bit more from from frontiperrual from the International Energy Agency
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: in Canberg yesterday.
• 26:29
  Speaker 13: We are seeing a big comeback of nuclear power around
• 26:32
  Speaker 13: the vert, but not every country needs to be a
• 26:37
  Speaker 13: nuclear power plant if they need it or not. For example,
• 26:39
  Speaker 13: in this country there's a lot of solar You are
• 26:43
  Speaker 13: really if I was are still I will be very
• 26:46
  Speaker 13: very proud what you have achieved here for solar and
• 26:49
  Speaker 13: the domestic buttert is if somebody asks been, does our
• 26:52
  Speaker 13: need today build a nuclear power? I would say no,
• 26:55
  Speaker 13: but make the most out of the uranium reserves you have.
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: Now, it's in the logical position he puts there. It's
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: very illogical. And the United Arab Emirates has a lot
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: of sun and they've.
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: Got nuclear power as well. They realized they need it.
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: The United States has a lot of sun. The point
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: is that what's he doing here? Why is he saying this?
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: Is it just to please the host government? Is he
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: spouting the lines he's got from Chris Bowen?
• 27:19
  Speaker 14: Will I was in the room and he told us
• 27:21
  Speaker 14: that afterwards he was meeting with the Prime Minister. So
• 27:23
  Speaker 14: I assume he's being politically correct. He hasn't been very
• 27:27
  Speaker 14: favorable to the case for nuclear in Australia, but I
• 27:30
  Speaker 14: think the reality is we need to have all clean
• 27:31
  Speaker 14: energy options in the middle.
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: Sure, but this jump in there he actually said the
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: potential in Australia's for solar and batteries.
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: We know that that's impossible.
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: That's where where Bowen and others been putting all their
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: efforts solar and domestic batteries. Now that might be good
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: for a homeowner if you can get a big enough battery,
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: but that is no way to run a modern economy.
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: It can't be done.
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: You can't have energy security and he shouldn't be pushing
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: that nonsense.
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: And one hundred percent.
• 27:56
  Speaker 14: The government set to miss their renewable target by up
• 27:58
  Speaker 14: to seventeen percent, So there's huge gaps even in the
• 28:01
  Speaker 14: government's own ambitions. So I think if doctor Birohl was
• 28:04
  Speaker 14: more familiar with the situation in Australia, you'd obviously see
• 28:07
  Speaker 14: that at least we need to have the band lifted
• 28:10
  Speaker 14: because we need nuclear in this country, particularly with rising
• 28:12
  Speaker 14: electricity demand from AI.
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: Well, we first spoke to you when you started a
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: nuclear for Australia when you're at school, I think in
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: year eleven. Yes, you're now at university and you and
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: you're still on the case.
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: That's great stuff. Will appreciate it.
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: They see we'll shackle there on the Australians for nuclear energy.
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: We're going to get to a break on the other side.
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: We'll catch up with Christian Tate in the US says
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: there are talks, rumored, talks, speculated sport talks about to
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: happen between the US and Iran to supposedly end the
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: war the wonderful Christian Tate in the US in just
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: a moment. But first, Donald Trump says, talks are underway
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: with Iran to end the war.
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: Here's the US President.
• 28:55
  Speaker 15: They won't piece, They've agreed they will not have a
• 28:57
  Speaker 15: nuclear weapon, you know, et cetera, et cetera. But we'll see.
• 29:00
  Speaker 15: You have to get it done. But I would say
• 29:02
  Speaker 15: there's a very good chance. And so we're giving it
• 29:04
  Speaker 15: five days and then we're going to see where that
• 29:07
  Speaker 15: takes us. And I would say, at the end of
• 29:09
  Speaker 15: this period, I think it could very well end up
• 29:12
  Speaker 15: being a very good deal for everybody, as good as
• 29:16
  Speaker 15: if we went all the way and just literally annihilated
• 29:19
  Speaker 15: the place.
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: As I put to Christen, this is a maija backdown
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: by Donald Trump. He was talking about a forty eight
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: hour ultimatum just two days ago. Now that's on hold
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: for five days of negotiations.
• 29:33
  Speaker 16: Yeah, and Roan is saying, this is, you know, fake
• 29:36
  Speaker 16: news to influence oil markets. I will say, to his credit,
• 29:40
  Speaker 16: President Donald Trump does have a track record of using
• 29:43
  Speaker 16: pressure to bring adversaries to the table. That's something he
• 29:46
  Speaker 16: has done effectively before many times. And one thing I
• 29:49
  Speaker 16: want to give the President credit for is kind of
• 29:52
  Speaker 16: changing the conversation and not accepting bad deals by default.
• 29:56
  Speaker 16: That's clearly what he's been trying to do here. You know,
• 29:58
  Speaker 16: we just need to be reminded that if this all
• 30:01
  Speaker 16: goes badly and this war drags on and gets worse,
• 30:04
  Speaker 16: it could be devastating economically for Americans with higher oil prices,
• 30:08
  Speaker 16: and also, of course there's a human cost to war
• 30:12
  Speaker 16: as well.
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: Well.
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: There are reports that Steve Wikoff, the US envoy, is
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: on his way to Islamabad in Pakistan, and that's where
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: any potential talks will happen.
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: We'll wait for more information on that.
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: But when you talk about the response from Iran, let's
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: have a look at that. It came from Iran's parliamentary speaker.
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: We don't hear from the new Supreme leader, and he
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: says that no negotiations have been held with the US,
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: and fake news is used to manipulate the financial and
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: oil markets and escape the quagmire in which the US
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: and Israel are trapped. Now it strikes me, Christian that
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: here's one of the Mullers in Iran effectively using Trump
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: expressions like fake news, and he seems to be really
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: playing a political game, appealing to the magi advice saying
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: this will be a quagmire, one of what Donald Trump
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: has called forever wars and wanted to avoid it.
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: To me, this is clever.
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: Propaganda from Iran trying to increase the domestic political pressure
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: on the president.
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 31:15
  Speaker 16: Unfortunately, I think it's working amongst a percentage of Trump's
• 31:20
  Speaker 16: base that is really upset with what's happened over the
• 31:24
  Speaker 16: last months, and they voted for no New Wars. It's
• 31:28
  Speaker 16: unfortunate that this is happening during a midterm year. I
• 31:31
  Speaker 16: am in touch with a lot of people throughout the
• 31:33
  Speaker 16: country who are involved in various races and the midterms,
• 31:37
  Speaker 16: and there's a lot of discussion being had about how
• 31:40
  Speaker 16: Republicans are going to message on this issue moving into November,
• 31:43
  Speaker 16: especially if we start to see really high gas prices,
• 31:46
  Speaker 16: which we are. There are thirty states now in the
• 31:48
  Speaker 16: United States that have significantly higher gas prices than they
• 31:51
  Speaker 16: did just a couple of weeks ago because of this issue.
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a very important timeline for the president, is
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: those midterms coming up in November. Of course, let's have
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: a look at what Donald Trump had to say about
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: the missing Iranian Supreme Leada.
• 32:07
  Speaker 15: Nobody heard of the second Supreme Leader of the Sun,
• 32:09
  Speaker 15: are correct, nobody. We have not heard from the Sun.
• 32:13
  Speaker 15: Everyone said, what you'll see a statement, mate, but we haven't.
• 32:16
  Speaker 15: We don't know if he's living.
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: And let's see again from the President on prospects of
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: a deal.
• 32:21
  Speaker 15: We're doing a five day period. We'll see how that goes,
• 32:24
  Speaker 15: and if it goes well, we're going to end up
• 32:26
  Speaker 15: with settling this. Otherwise we just keep bombing our little
• 32:29
  Speaker 15: hearts out.
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: He has a turn of frasal too, doesn't it, Christen, Yes,
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: he does.
• 32:35
  Speaker 16: You know, one thing we've learned over and over with
• 32:39
  Speaker 16: foreign policy is that external pressure like this can actually
• 32:43
  Speaker 16: strengthen regime like I wrongs because you're giving the people
• 32:46
  Speaker 16: an enemy to rally against. You know, if we if
• 32:49
  Speaker 16: we continue to make threats and we, you know, make
• 32:52
  Speaker 16: these statements about their leaders, it could actually strengthen the
• 32:56
  Speaker 16: regime instead of weakening it, because you're taking people who
• 33:00
  Speaker 16: might have otherwise been involved in kind of an organic
• 33:04
  Speaker 16: effort to create a regime change on the ground. With
• 33:07
  Speaker 16: the Iranian people, and you're turning them against a common
• 33:11
  Speaker 16: enemy like the United States.
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: So I get a little.
• 33:13
  Speaker 16: Concern I here this kind of rhetoric from from President Trump.
• 33:17
  Speaker 16: I think if we want to see real change in
• 33:18
  Speaker 16: a role, and it has to come from the people,
• 33:21
  Speaker 16: and rhetoric like this can make it harder.
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: That's still my hope, regime change, and nobody really knows
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: what's going on in around so that hope is not dead.
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: I just want to get your thoughts also, Christen on
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: that shocking air crash at LaGuardia Airport in New York
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: today where a fire truck was given permission to cross
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: a runway before the message from mere traffic control changed,
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: have a listen to this or a dolphins.
• 33:48
  Speaker 12: Stop there for.
• 33:51
  Speaker 16: Stop stop stop stop drug one stop.
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: Just horrific, Christian, and the air traffic controller was heard
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: to say light that they might have mistike tragic eras
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: like this.
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: You just think think of them happening in America.
• 34:10
  Speaker 16: Yeah, you know, it's absolutely devastating. And I hate to
• 34:13
  Speaker 16: say this, Chris, but this was bound to happen. We
• 34:16
  Speaker 16: have serious problems with understaffing in our air traffic control
• 34:20
  Speaker 16: here in the United states. Everyone is going to frame
• 34:23
  Speaker 16: this as a controller error, and.
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: You know it was.
• 34:26
  Speaker 16: However, you have to keep in mind, in this particular situation,
• 34:29
  Speaker 16: you had one air traffic controller who is simultaneously managing
• 34:33
  Speaker 16: a United flight that had a boarded takeoff, dispatching a
• 34:36
  Speaker 16: fire truck across an active runway, and dealing with this
• 34:41
  Speaker 16: inbound Air Canada flight at at highway speeds. This was
• 34:45
  Speaker 16: all happening at eleven forty pm during a mandatory overtime shift.
• 34:51
  Speaker 16: These people are exhausted. The FAA is short about three
• 34:55
  Speaker 16: thousand controllers. They just cannot get more people. So this
• 34:59
  Speaker 16: is a serious problem that I think the Trump administration
• 35:02
  Speaker 16: needs to examine. How can we get more competent, qualified
• 35:06
  Speaker 16: air traffic controllers because I'm afraid something like this will
• 35:09
  Speaker 16: happen again if this problem is not fixed.
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: Such a worry. Thanks for your insights again, Kristin, appreciate it.
• 35:16
  Speaker 16: Thank you as always, Chris.
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, what a shocking accident. Just a terrible vision, there
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: isn't it. Let's head back down to Camber now and
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: get back into federal politics with Shadow Health Minister Ann Rustin,
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: who's been kind enough to join us again. Good to
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: talk to you again, and we last spoke on the
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: eve of the South Australian election.
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: It's all transpired now.
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: It's been brutal for the Liberal Party in South Australia.
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: I'm wondering what you and your federal colleagues have made
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: of it over the past couple of days. What are
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: the key messages and actions more importantly that need to
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: come out of it.
• 35:49
  Speaker 17: Yeah, well, look, Chris, the result on Saturday was pretty
• 35:52
  Speaker 17: sobering for us in South Australia and there's no doubt
• 35:56
  Speaker 17: that we have to take some pretty strong lessons from it.
• 35:58
  Speaker 17: As I said to you when I spoke to you
• 36:00
  Speaker 17: last week, the one shining light out of the entire
• 36:02
  Speaker 17: election campaign was our leader in South Australia, Ashton Herne.
• 36:06
  Speaker 17: And I think there's a lot to be drawn from
• 36:08
  Speaker 17: in the way she behaved in the short hundred days
• 36:10
  Speaker 17: she had to in the lead up as the leader
• 36:12
  Speaker 17: into the election, but most particularly the fact that she's
• 36:15
  Speaker 17: had an eight point four percent swing to her in
• 36:17
  Speaker 17: her own electorate. I mean, I think there are a
• 36:20
  Speaker 17: lot of lessons to be learned from how Ashton has
• 36:23
  Speaker 17: campaigned over the last four years.
• 36:25
  Speaker 18: Because let's not forget Ashton's.
• 36:26
  Speaker 17: Only been in the South Australian Parliament for one term
• 36:29
  Speaker 17: and I think the key message out of all that
• 36:31
  Speaker 17: is Ashen focused on the people of her electorate in
• 36:35
  Speaker 17: the last hundred days, the people of her state and
• 36:38
  Speaker 17: the things that were important and mattered to them.
• 36:40
  Speaker 18: And the result was really clear. She had a great result.
• 36:43
  Speaker 17: And I think there's a lot of lessons to be
• 36:45
  Speaker 17: learned from an incredible leader who did an incredible job,
• 36:48
  Speaker 17: and I think we all need to take a leaf
• 36:50
  Speaker 17: out of her book.
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: See my impression was that there was next to nothing
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: available in policy difference. If people were being asked, how
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: would the state be different diferent next week if the
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: Liberals were in government, the answer is, I don't know.
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: Really.
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: The answer is we'd do pretty much what Labor are doing,
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: but we'd do it better. And isn't that a problem
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: with the coalition parties nationally in some of the recent
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: election failures, that you've got to put up some sort
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: of sharp difference, tell people that if you vote for
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: the coalition there is actually some change coming.
• 37:28
  Speaker 17: Well, and I think Ashton tried really hard in the
• 37:30
  Speaker 17: last one hundred days, one hundred days that she was
• 37:33
  Speaker 17: the leader to put out a suite of policies that said,
• 37:36
  Speaker 17: we actually know and we're hearing and listening to what
• 37:39
  Speaker 17: the South Australians were saying. And I mean we know
• 37:41
  Speaker 17: right across the nation the fact that people can't pay
• 37:43
  Speaker 17: their bills, their mortgages, their power bills on now what
• 37:47
  Speaker 17: we're seeing at the bowser. The number one concerns the
• 37:50
  Speaker 17: health crisis in South Australia. You know, the promise to
• 37:52
  Speaker 17: fix ramping that hadn't occurred. I mean, Ashton had some
• 37:55
  Speaker 17: really good policies when it came to cost of living relief,
• 37:58
  Speaker 17: when it came to her health, and also when it
• 38:01
  Speaker 17: came to the safety and security of South Australia. She
• 38:04
  Speaker 17: just didn't have the run way in which to be
• 38:06
  Speaker 17: able to communicate that. It was a very crowded environment
• 38:09
  Speaker 17: with Bondai, with all the stuff that was going on
• 38:12
  Speaker 17: here in Canberra, as well as what happened in the
• 38:16
  Speaker 17: Middle East. So I think she did an incredible job
• 38:18
  Speaker 17: those things included in that debate.
• 38:22
  Speaker 18: But I also think you're absolutely right.
• 38:24
  Speaker 17: We have to give Australians a reason to vote for us,
• 38:27
  Speaker 17: and we do need to make sure that we're communicating
• 38:29
  Speaker 17: better about not just what we stand for, but what
• 38:33
  Speaker 17: we're going to do for Australians. And I think we've
• 38:34
  Speaker 17: been too inwardly focused and we've now got to stop that.
• 38:38
  Speaker 17: And we've got to tell Australians we've got to give
• 38:39
  Speaker 17: them a reason to vote for us, and a reason
• 38:41
  Speaker 17: to vote for us comes in good policy that differentiates
• 38:44
  Speaker 17: us spot one.
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: We've got to have more of that. Absolutely, this is
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: my point.
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: I want to show you what I showed at the
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: top of the program, and that is your colleague Maria
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: Covisitch and what she had to say about the result
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: and the lessons from it.
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: Let me be very clear as to the singular outcome
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: of that election result on Saturday night.
• 39:05
  Speaker 4: And that is that a vote for One Nation is
• 39:08
  Speaker 4: a vote for a record labor majority. If you want
• 39:13
  Speaker 4: to change labor governments across this country, you need.
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: To vote liberal.
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: Now, my point about this is that's just commentary and
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: it's the worst message for the Liberals. You're basically blaming
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: the One Nation voters for labor staying in power. The
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: point is that they don't care about that. They see
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: the parties as they use the term. You hear it
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: from Cory Bernardi all the time of UNI Party they
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: say there's no difference between the majors.
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: They want to hurt the majors.
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: So what are the key policy areas where the coalition
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: federally in particular needs to heed that call from one
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: nation voters needs to give them something to come back to.
• 39:53
  Speaker 17: Well, First of all, Chris, I think the point that
• 39:55
  Speaker 17: Maria was making was a very clear one.
• 39:57
  Speaker 18: And we saw it play it on Saturday.
• 40:00
  Speaker 17: We want if you're dissatisfied with the current Labor government
• 40:05
  Speaker 17: and you want change, the way to change it is
• 40:08
  Speaker 17: to vote Liberal because splitting the vote that is on
• 40:12
  Speaker 17: the right side of politics is not going to deliver
• 40:14
  Speaker 17: you a more leaning government that's going to respond to
• 40:19
  Speaker 17: the quite frankly that I believe is in the position
• 40:22
  Speaker 17: to respond to the problems that Australians are facing at
• 40:24
  Speaker 17: the moment when it comes to cost of living.
• 40:26
  Speaker 18: But I think there's some very clear policies that we
• 40:28
  Speaker 18: need to be looking at.
• 40:29
  Speaker 17: We need to be making sure that that taxation regime
• 40:31
  Speaker 17: in Australia is favorable to Australians being able to get ahead, So.
• 40:35
  Speaker 18: There's work to be done there.
• 40:36
  Speaker 17: We need to make sure that our migration policies are
• 40:39
  Speaker 17: not just talking about the numbers of migration, but we
• 40:42
  Speaker 17: need to make sure that there is a planned migration
• 40:45
  Speaker 17: coming into this country, not the reckless stuff that we've.
• 40:48
  Speaker 18: Seen from the Labor Party.
• 40:49
  Speaker 17: So there are so many places we need good, strong
• 40:52
  Speaker 17: health policy so Australians can get affordable and timely access
• 40:55
  Speaker 17: to healthcare, which they're not getting at.
• 40:57
  Speaker 18: The moment, and right now, I think the.
• 41:00
  Speaker 17: The fact that Australians despair about whether their children will
• 41:03
  Speaker 17: ever be able to afford to own their own home.
• 41:06
  Speaker 17: These are the kinds of policies that I think nobody
• 41:08
  Speaker 17: would dispute that Australians want us as the alternative government
• 41:13
  Speaker 17: to come up with strong policies so that they've got
• 41:15
  Speaker 17: a reason to vote for.
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: US spot on.
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: Those are key areas, and I would add energy affordability
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: into that.
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: There's so much to work with.
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: You get the right policies out there quick, smart, thanks
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: so much for joining us in and Rush and their
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: senator from South Australia and shadow Health minister. We're got
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: to get to a break. On the other side, Susie
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: and Steven lots to talk about, including the RBA Governor's
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: had a lot of nice new beach house on the
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: same day.
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: She raised interest rates.
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: Let's get into our Tuesday panel with Susy O'Brien in
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: Melbourne and Stephen Senna Tempo in Canberra.
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: Great to talk to you both again.
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: Look, we've got to start off on this story because
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: it's a cracker. We all know about the cost of
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: living crisis has been going on for a couple of years.
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: It's worse just at the moment because of the fuel
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: crisis and the way we're getting hit every time we
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: fill our tanks if we can.
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: And of course interest rates went up again last week.
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: But what don't we find out on that very day
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: the Reserve Bank governor got herself a little bit of
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: this action. Have a look at this.
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: She got herself a beach house. Wouldn't we all like
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: to have a beach house. I think we've got pictures.
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: Of it here there.
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: It is a two million dollar holiday home on the
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: northern New South Wales. Good on her, We'd all love
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: to have a beach house, but a bit rough. That's
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: that's her purchase. On the day that rates go up. Susie, Well,
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: you know what.
• 42:39
  Speaker 19: She earns a million dollars a year. So this is
• 42:40
  Speaker 19: a two million dollar beach house two years worth of salary.
• 42:44
  Speaker 19: I buy a house two years worth of salary, I'd
• 42:46
  Speaker 19: be lucky. You at a caravan and gives on the.
• 42:49
  Speaker 18: Basis of what I had.
• 42:50
  Speaker 19: And most Australians, look, you know what, to be perfectly honest,
• 42:54
  Speaker 19: bad timing from the perspective of most people.
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: But I don't actually.
• 42:57
  Speaker 19: Begrudge her this if she does a good job and
• 42:59
  Speaker 19: she helps us all. You know, these kind of jobs
• 43:03
  Speaker 19: have such an impact. And we saw when her predecessor
• 43:07
  Speaker 19: had his hands off the wheel. It was disastrous. So
• 43:10
  Speaker 19: you know what, she can have all the beach houses
• 43:12
  Speaker 19: she want. She just has to make good decisions for us.
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: Apparently she didn't have to borrow for this one, Steven,
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: Apparently it was paid for without a mortgage, and yeah,
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: and good honor. I'd be happy to take it off
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: her hands for one thousand dollars a week over Christmas.
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: But it's not a good look.
• 43:28
  Speaker 14: Is it?
• 43:31
  Speaker 9: No look, I guess it's just unfortunate timing. Apparently she
• 43:34
  Speaker 9: settled on it on the day that the race went up,
• 43:35
  Speaker 9: so she wouldn't have had much control over that. But Yeah,
• 43:38
  Speaker 9: it doesn't look great, but I've got to say, look,
• 43:40
  Speaker 9: the oysters and the prawns in Yamber are fantastic.
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: Say good luck to her.
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, I'll tell you what. She's got a big job,
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: and I would disagree. I don't think she's handled it
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: very well so far, which is why we're seeing rates
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: go up again.
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: So she wants to get on top of that.
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: You've got to kill inflation and leave it that way,
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: not have to go back and finish the job. Susie,
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: You've got to get your thoughts on this teachers strike
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: in Victoria.
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: This is the worst thing for parents. See.
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: If they haven't been through enough with their kids education
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: in lockdown Victoria, now you've got teachers marching in the street.
• 44:15
  Speaker 19: I was doing an interview with someone earlier today and
• 44:17
  Speaker 19: he was working from home because of the teacher strike.
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: He said, I've got kids.
• 44:21
  Speaker 19: In their undies on the pack lawn playing under the sprinkler.
• 44:25
  Speaker 19: He's like, God, for God help me if it's going
• 44:28
  Speaker 19: to go on any longer. I really felt for him
• 44:30
  Speaker 19: at that moment. But look, this is the first time
• 44:32
  Speaker 19: in thirteen years that teachers have been on strike in Victoria,
• 44:36
  Speaker 19: and they're seeking a thirty five percent pay increase. At
• 44:40
  Speaker 19: the moment, they're ten thousand dollars less on average than
• 44:44
  Speaker 19: all the other states, So by far they're the lowest
• 44:47
  Speaker 19: paid in the country. Are they worth thirty five percent,
• 44:50
  Speaker 19: which is what the union's going Well, perhaps not, But
• 44:54
  Speaker 19: I think parents would be wanting to see really fast
• 44:58
  Speaker 19: for the sake of all the dad's to.
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: Numbs working from home.
• 45:03
  Speaker 19: I want to see this settled without any more strikes.
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: I'd take three point five about thirty five percent the
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: scenes a hell of an ask.
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: We'll see what happens.
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: Hey, Stephen, there's something I've been eager to talk to
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: you about. Obviously, with your permission, I'll raise it today
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: because you hit a hell of a milestone this week.
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: People have been watching this show over the years know
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: that you've been on a health kit.
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: You've been shedding some.
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: Pounds, as we say, but you clarified last week that
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: you hit an incredible target. You have lost one hundred kilograms.
• 45:32
  Speaker 9: Tell us about it, one hundred and one as at yesterday. Look,
• 45:38
  Speaker 9: there's just a matter of I got some routine blood
• 45:42
  Speaker 9: test done about two and a half years ago and
• 45:44
  Speaker 9: got a diagnosis of mild type two diabetes and thought, well,
• 45:47
  Speaker 9: I need to turn my life around. It was a
• 45:49
  Speaker 9: bit of a wake up call because I'd lost ten
• 45:50
  Speaker 9: kilos to that point, because I got an email offering
• 45:53
  Speaker 9: me a pretty good deal on one of those food
• 45:55
  Speaker 9: delivery services, and well, I just need to do things.
• 45:57
  Speaker 9: So I started walking, initially twenty minutes after my break
• 46:02
  Speaker 9: program every morning at nine o'clock. And now I'm up
• 46:04
  Speaker 9: to about sort of seven eight nine kilometers a day,
• 46:08
  Speaker 9: eating a lot less, drinking about five or six liters
• 46:11
  Speaker 9: of water a day. And obviously, you know, the doctors
• 46:14
  Speaker 9: have told me that I need.
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: To lose a little bit more.
• 46:16
  Speaker 9: I'd like to lose another forty they say another twenty,
• 46:19
  Speaker 9: but it's a challenge. Look, I got to say, I'm
• 46:22
  Speaker 9: a little bit bemused that people are interested in this,
• 46:24
  Speaker 9: because to me it was just a matter I had
• 46:26
  Speaker 9: to do something to turn my health around. But it's
• 46:28
  Speaker 9: funny the encouragement from sky viewers has been incredible. My
• 46:32
  Speaker 9: listeners obviously can't see me on the radio, but people
• 46:35
  Speaker 9: tune in every week on a Tuesday and seem to
• 46:38
  Speaker 9: notice the difference, particularly people like former National Center at
• 46:41
  Speaker 9: Whack of Williams Textavi fairly often, Peter Cochran and others.
• 46:46
  Speaker 9: I get emails from sky listeners all over the country
• 46:49
  Speaker 9: every couple of days congratulating me.
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: So it's been really, really inspiring.
• 46:52
  Speaker 9: But it's literally been moved more eat less.
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and look I've made And I know you're disciplined
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: because I've talked to you about this years ago, the
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: discipline of getting that walk in and I'm not surprised
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: that people notice it and encourage you, And neither would
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: Susie be right, because we all go down this path,
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: you know, we all either want to get fitter or
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: lose a bit of weight.
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: We all want to just get onto a program and
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: stick by it.
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: And Susie, people have just seen on their screens every
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: week that Steve is doing the work that.
• 47:18
  Speaker 19: Is paying off, and you look absolutely terrific, And I
• 47:23
  Speaker 19: couldn't be proud. I've been noticing myself, and I've been
• 47:26
  Speaker 19: following you on social media and sending messages. Actually reached
• 47:30
  Speaker 19: out a few weeks ago saying can we do a
• 47:31
  Speaker 19: story on this because you look amazing and I think
• 47:34
  Speaker 19: it's so inspiring for other people. I know just the
• 47:39
  Speaker 19: amount of hard work that's been put into it. You've
• 47:41
  Speaker 19: lost twice my body weight, so there you're going just
• 47:43
  Speaker 19: to put it into perspective.
• 47:45
  Speaker 18: So well done.
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: And yes, Stephen, any other tips you can give us
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: just for that discipline.
• 47:54
  Speaker 9: Look, you know, funnily enough, I started going back to
• 47:56
  Speaker 9: church and I've got a physical diary again. They're the
• 47:59
  Speaker 9: two things that have actually kept the discipline going. But
• 48:01
  Speaker 9: I'm going to say it's the most expensive thing I've
• 48:03
  Speaker 9: ever done in my life, because I've got to buying
• 48:04
  Speaker 9: new close every two much and it's costing me an
• 48:06
  Speaker 9: absolute fortune. But other than Matt, I think I look
• 48:09
  Speaker 9: a bit more stylish than.
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: I used to. Good stuff.
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: Thanks congratulations, Stephen, and thanks for joining us. Stephen and
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: Susie will catch you next week. Where got just a
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: bit of time left to share some of your feedback
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: from last night's program, And some of you had a
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: bit to say about what Jeff Kenneth had to say
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: on the impact of one Nation and what lies in
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: prospect for the Victorian election. And someone says, if the
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: Libs can't make a preference deal with one Nation, a
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: one nation vote will be a vote to keep Labor
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: in power. The Ona says, we need some very competent
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: people indeed to get Victoria out of its shocking mess.
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: And another was sense so much corruption in Victoria and
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: so many people on.
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: The labor payroll. The Libs need to step up.
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: And finally it's time one nation turns the virtue signal
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: off in Victoria for good.
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: Let's see how it all turns out. I'll be back
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: tomorrow night. Here's Peter Credlin.