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Ep. 812: Foundations - The Most Important Week of Scouting · Wired To Hunt Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt Foundations podcast, your guide
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  Speaker 1: to the fundamentals of better deer hunting, presented by First Light,
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  Speaker 1: First Light Go Farther, Stay Longer, and now your host
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  Speaker 1: Tony Peterson.
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  Speaker 2: Hey everyone, welcome to the Wired Hunt Foundations podcast, which
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  Speaker 2: is brought to you by First Light. I'm your host,
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  Speaker 2: Tony Peterson, and today's episode is all about early September
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  Speaker 2: and why you should scout hard right now. There are
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  Speaker 2: different ways to look at scouting deer. Winter scouting is
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  Speaker 2: all about pinning down a rut spot for the following season.
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  Speaker 2: Summer scouting is all about finding a target buck and
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  Speaker 2: then watching him like some kind of camo clad creep
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  Speaker 2: until you know his whole routine, or at least his
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  Speaker 2: evening feeding routine. In season scouting is all about finding
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  Speaker 2: the hot sign right now. But this week, right now,
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  Speaker 2: this week, whether your season is open or not, is
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  Speaker 2: the week that matters a lot. This is when deer
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  Speaker 2: shuffle the deck, so to speak, and those summertime patterns
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  Speaker 2: can blow up. The food sources often change, and the
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  Speaker 2: white tailed world is just in sort of a state
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  Speaker 2: of flux. It might not seem like a big deal
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  Speaker 2: to get out and figure things out, but it is,
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  Speaker 2: which is what I'm going to talk about right now.
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  Speaker 2: I know you fine listeners are well aware that I
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  Speaker 2: have twin daughters, since I talk about them all the time.
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  Speaker 2: They are my little girls and they always will be.
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  Speaker 2: But they are also twelve and will be teenagers in
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  Speaker 2: a few months now. I always figured I was meant
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  Speaker 2: to raise boys, since I'm a pretty manly fella and
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  Speaker 2: quite honestly, mostly like a little boy myself. In fact,
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  Speaker 2: I recently filmed some fishing content that required me to
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  Speaker 2: go catch some frogs, some crayfish, some minnows, and as
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  Speaker 2: a bonus, a painted turtle and a garter snake. Like
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  Speaker 2: all of us, there are a lot of times where
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  Speaker 2: I'm not super excited to do my job, especially if
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  Speaker 2: he involves spending a lot of time with Mark Kenyan.
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  Speaker 2: But sometimes, like when I'm tasked with catching some frogs
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  Speaker 2: so we can film them hopping across lily pads, I
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  Speaker 2: realize how lucky I am. As an added bonus, one
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  Speaker 2: of my daughters tagged along to supervise the critter catching
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  Speaker 2: mission and pitch in where she could. It was the
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  Speaker 2: best three hours of my working career, and about a
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  Speaker 2: thousand times better than just a few hours earlier when
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  Speaker 2: I watched my camera man butterfinger a go pro so
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  Speaker 2: that it fell from his grasp and sunk to the
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  Speaker 2: bottom of a lake, and it had a whole bunch
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  Speaker 2: of hours of much needed footage on it. Anyway, my
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  Speaker 2: little girls aren't so little anymore. And the thing that
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  Speaker 2: sucks about raising girls is how everyone tells you stuff like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: just wait till they are teenagers, you'll really be in
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  Speaker 2: for it. That's kind of like if someone has a
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  Speaker 2: puppy and you're like, man, that's a cute little dog.
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  Speaker 2: Just wait until you love it for twelve years and
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  Speaker 2: then you have to put it down. That will absolutely
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  Speaker 2: destroy you as a person, and you'll cry like a
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  Speaker 2: little baby. Ha ha. Sometimes some things just don't need
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  Speaker 2: to be said, because we all know what's coming. With
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  Speaker 2: my daughters. I knew the preteen and soon to be
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  Speaker 2: teen behavior was coming. I didn't need to be told
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  Speaker 2: over and over again. It still surprised me when suddenly
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  Speaker 2: one day they went from wearing pink puppy love shirts
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  Speaker 2: to suddenly being obsessed with fashion and wearing shirts that,
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  Speaker 2: in my opinion, are way way too short for the
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  Speaker 2: average twelve year old. What's worse is when I bring
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  Speaker 2: up the clothing choices to my wife, she thinks it's
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  Speaker 2: hilarious that I'm in full on old dad mode. Now,
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  Speaker 2: the old blonde buzzkill isn't exactly known for her risk
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  Speaker 2: gay clothing choices, so it surprised me that she was
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  Speaker 2: okay with our little, tiny baby girls wearing shirts that
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  Speaker 2: show off their belly buttons. Now. To her credit, she
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  Speaker 2: told me, we can clamp down on it now and
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  Speaker 2: fight a much bigger battle later, or we can give
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  Speaker 2: them some autonomy with their fashion and do our best
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  Speaker 2: to guide them to be smart about life. You fellas
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  Speaker 2: out there raising young dog might think that's bananas. But
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  Speaker 2: I was raised in a household where my parents, mostly
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  Speaker 2: my mom, talked about alcohol like it was about one
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  Speaker 2: hundred times worse than pure heroin. We never had an
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  Speaker 2: ounce of it in the house, and I was rarely
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  Speaker 2: around anyone who drank it all, so naturally, by the
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  Speaker 2: time I had my learners permit, I was well on
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  Speaker 2: my way to being a functioning alcoholic, which only got
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  Speaker 2: worse and worse for about twenty years or so. Such
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  Speaker 2: is the way with kids and parents and navigating the
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  Speaker 2: differences between the two. I don't think any of us
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  Speaker 2: really knows what we're doing. The girls are just in
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  Speaker 2: a big transition in their life, and that's going to
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  Speaker 2: lead to a new reality. Do you know what else
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  Speaker 2: is in a big transition right now? That's right, the
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  Speaker 2: game of golf. I'm so sorry, guys, imagine what it's
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  Speaker 2: like to be married to me. The deer in transition,
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  Speaker 2: and I think doing your best to keep tabs on
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  Speaker 2: them right now is a huge benefit to early season hunting,
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  Speaker 2: and quite frankly, you're hunting over the whole season, or
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  Speaker 2: at least up until about the rut or pre rut time. Anyway.
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  Speaker 2: The thing is, there are multiple reasons why the deer
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  Speaker 2: are going to start doing things differently now. You know,
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  Speaker 2: in the next ten days, the biggie that we all
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  Speaker 2: know about is all the bucks are going to go
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  Speaker 2: from velvet antler to heart antlered. This is the week
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  Speaker 2: where that happens for I don't know most of them,
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  Speaker 2: maybe like eighty five percent of the deer out there. Now.
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  Speaker 2: If you get the chance to watch a bachelor group,
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  Speaker 2: not just get trail camera picks of them, but really
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  Speaker 2: glass them. You can usually over a few days see
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  Speaker 2: the dynamics change when they start going hard antlered. There's
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  Speaker 2: nothing saying their patterns will totally die or shift to
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  Speaker 2: something that might seem more familiar in October, but they
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  Speaker 2: definitely are prone to changing. This is due to several reasons.
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  Speaker 2: Most likely, for one, it's time to fight or at
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  Speaker 2: least spar. You do, you know, sometimes see late August
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  Speaker 2: or early September, deer square up and kind of spar
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  Speaker 2: even when they're in velvet, but it's not super common.
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  Speaker 2: But once they shed their velvet it does become super common.
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  Speaker 2: They can also now all of a sudden make rubs,
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  Speaker 2: and let me tell you something, pay attention to those
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  Speaker 2: September rubs. They are the ticket to killing bucks in
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  Speaker 2: my experience. Think about it this way. Deer sign like rubs,
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  Speaker 2: starts out at zero for the season. Now, while you
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  Speaker 2: might find scrapes getting used all year long, you won't
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  Speaker 2: find that with rubs. They are not there in the summer,
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  Speaker 2: and they start to show in just kind of a
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  Speaker 2: trickle in the early fall. Now, as the season progresses,
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  Speaker 2: more bucks of all sizes just make more rubs. This
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  Speaker 2: means that any individual rub, or even a cluster of rubs,
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  Speaker 2: becomes less important on its own as September gives way
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  Speaker 2: to October and then November comes roaring in. The first
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  Speaker 2: rubs of the season matter, and they matter even more
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  Speaker 2: where you have low deer densities. But even if you
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  Speaker 2: have tons of deer around, pay attention to them. Where
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  Speaker 2: bucks make early season rubs, especially rubs in the cover,
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  Speaker 2: is where you want to hunt right now, and beyond rubs,
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  Speaker 2: you just have a reshuffling of the deer herd. Young
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  Speaker 2: bucks head out to go stake their claims somewhere, and
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  Speaker 2: if you're in the market for young bucks, that's good
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  Speaker 2: news for you. Not all of us are in a
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  Speaker 2: situation where we can name bucks and pass them up
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  Speaker 2: at four and a half years old every season so
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  Speaker 2: that we have a fresh crop of five year olds
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  Speaker 2: to hunt. So sometimes you got to go for what
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  Speaker 2: you can get, and if that's a young buck, you're
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  Speaker 2: in luck. I'm convinced this is one of the reasons
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  Speaker 2: why some deer seems so stupid in September. Now, sure
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  Speaker 2: they haven't been hunted for nine months or so, but
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  Speaker 2: Some of them have just left their homes that they've
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  Speaker 2: known their whole lives and struck out to find a
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  Speaker 2: new place to live. They settle where the living is good,
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  Speaker 2: which is often some food plot tucked into the woods
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  Speaker 2: where they think they haven't made I killed a buck
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  Speaker 2: like this a long long time ago. He's an eight
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  Speaker 2: pointer that might score about eight eighty inches, but at
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  Speaker 2: the time he was a really good one to me.
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  Speaker 2: This year ended up setting up shop right next to
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  Speaker 2: a stand that my dad and I hunted a lot,
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  Speaker 2: and the first time I saw him was during a
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  Speaker 2: morning on September where after I walked in in the dark,
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  Speaker 2: I heard a deer approaching in the moonlight. I could
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  Speaker 2: see him walk right up to my stand, and I
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  Speaker 2: could hear him sniffing my screw in steps. He was
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  Speaker 2: gone before first light, but I remember thinking that he
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  Speaker 2: might be the kind of deer a guy with my
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  Speaker 2: skill set could actually kill. And I had never killed
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  Speaker 2: anything with more than six points, so an eight pointer
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  Speaker 2: was a real dream come true. I did what any
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  Speaker 2: not very smart why tail hunter would do, and I
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  Speaker 2: went in there the next morning with a set of
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  Speaker 2: rattling antlers. I don't even really remember what my justification
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  Speaker 2: for that move was, but I do remember the feeling
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  Speaker 2: of seeing that buck walking right toward my tree after
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  Speaker 2: I had done my best to convince him a couple
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  Speaker 2: of buddies were having a shoving match in his new
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  Speaker 2: living room. He walked in close enough that even I
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  Speaker 2: didn't miss him, which wasn't always the case. When I
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  Speaker 2: started out deer running, another deer a little bigger than
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  Speaker 2: that one, but equally as dumb and seemingly lost, walked
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  Speaker 2: out during extremely windy and somewhat wet evening in northern Wisconsin.
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  Speaker 2: A few years after I killed that other eight pointer.
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  Speaker 2: My buddy had had an encounter with the deer and
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  Speaker 2: it didn't break his way. But when I saw him
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  Speaker 2: walk out, I not only knew it was the same deer,
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  Speaker 2: but that he wasn't on his a game survival wise.
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  Speaker 2: I'll tell you what, when I walked up on that
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  Speaker 2: buck dead in the swamp, it didn't bother me in
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  Speaker 2: the least that Mother Nature had reshuffled the deer deck
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  Speaker 2: and put that buck in my lap. While most of
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  Speaker 2: the white tail talk involves mature bucks and figuring out
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  Speaker 2: their home ranges, if the bar isn't set quite so
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  Speaker 2: high for you. Scouting right now can put you on
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  Speaker 2: an interloper deer that is just trying to figure out
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  Speaker 2: his new way of life in a new neighborhood, and
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  Speaker 2: those deer can be an absolute gift, which is not
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  Speaker 2: something that the deer gods deliver on a regular basis
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  Speaker 2: for most of us. Now you also have the food
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  Speaker 2: aspect out there. The thing about scouting deer is that
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  Speaker 2: you're not only scouting the deer, but the environment in
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  Speaker 2: which those deer live. This is what trail cameras won't
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  Speaker 2: do for you, and that matters. While you might suddenly
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  Speaker 2: stop getting picks of deer here or there, or suddenly
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  Speaker 2: start getting picks on a somewhat dead camera, you're going
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  Speaker 2: to have to fill in the blanks for why those
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  Speaker 2: changes occurred. But when you go into the woods to
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  Speaker 2: look around, or you sit back on a spotting scope
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  Speaker 2: and you try to keep tabs on your favorite beanfield buffet,
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  Speaker 2: you're also exposing yourself to the world of the deer
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  Speaker 2: in a way that often delivers answers instead of just
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  Speaker 2: more questions. I dealt with this last week. I took
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  Speaker 2: the girls over to Wisconsin to bate some bears and
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  Speaker 2: set some deer blinds, and just generally get a little
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  Speaker 2: more ready for the upcoming season. What I was particularly
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  Speaker 2: curious about was why my cameras had gone so dead
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  Speaker 2: in the last week or so. I went from at
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  Speaker 2: least some buck activity to literally no buck activity and
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  Speaker 2: just had a few doze and some random natural movement bears.
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  Speaker 2: I knew from some of the local scouting that the
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  Speaker 2: acorns were hitting the ground, but at least in my
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  Speaker 2: world this year, it seems like the hard mass crop
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  Speaker 2: is way down from last year. Now that might be
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  Speaker 2: solely a regional thing, but that's all it really matters
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  Speaker 2: to me. It doesn't do me any good to focus
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  Speaker 2: hard on how many white oaks are dropping, and, say
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  Speaker 2: central Missouri, for example, now here the acorn situation feels light,
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  Speaker 2: which is generally good for my hunting because I don't
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  Speaker 2: have enough situations where I can get out an acorn
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  Speaker 2: pattern quickly and ride it out to a short blood trail.
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  Speaker 2: So that made me happy, but it didn't answer why
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  Speaker 2: the bucks had all disappeared off of my cameras. My
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  Speaker 2: suspicion is that there are some bait piles out there
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  Speaker 2: on the names. Even though that option was made illegal
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  Speaker 2: in our area last year when a game farm deer
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  Speaker 2: pop positive for CWD. Now I don't know what the
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  Speaker 2: compliance rate is when baiting has been legal for a
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  Speaker 2: couple of decades and then suddenly it's not, but I'm
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  Speaker 2: guessing it's not one hundred percent. Hell, just perusing the
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  Speaker 2: land listings on a dream of picking up another hunting
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  Speaker 2: property has shown me that there's a lot of illegal
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  Speaker 2: baiting going on in such a way that it's like,
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  Speaker 2: literally so prevalent that the photo evidence is often used
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  Speaker 2: to try to sell hunting land any husky. When the
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  Speaker 2: girls and I got into the woods, we realized that
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  Speaker 2: the apple trees in our neighborhood were absolutely weighed down
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  Speaker 2: with the good stuff. We also saw some deer munching
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  Speaker 2: on Granny Smith's in the middle of the day while
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  Speaker 2: we were driving to a brook trout stream to see
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  Speaker 2: if we could find a few fish to mess with.
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  Speaker 2: When there is a heat advisory, because the air feels
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  Speaker 2: like Florida in August and not northern Wisconsin, and yet
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  Speaker 2: there are deer on their feet munching away at one
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  Speaker 2: o'clock in the afternoon, you know there is a powerful
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  Speaker 2: food draw there. That's what we saw. And while I
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  Speaker 2: don't know if apples are the sole reason for the
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  Speaker 2: sudden lack of bucks of my cameras, I know that
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  Speaker 2: it's certainly a possibility. I also know that being in
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  Speaker 2: the woods right now and actually scouting put us on
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  Speaker 2: a couple of trees that look like they might draw
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  Speaker 2: a deer in for a couple more weeks, especially if
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  Speaker 2: we can hunt around them right after pounding rain or
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  Speaker 2: some frontal wind, both of which tend to take soft
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  Speaker 2: masts from the trees and put it on the ground,
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  Speaker 2: and the deer that eat it know that is for
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  Speaker 2: sure the case. Scouting right now can help you dial
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  Speaker 2: into another reality that is unavoidable as well, the fact
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  Speaker 2: that there are more people in the woods than there
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  Speaker 2: were a month or two ago. The weeks leading up
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  Speaker 2: to the boat opener witness a steady increase in people
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  Speaker 2: poking around in the woods and checking cameras and messing
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  Speaker 2: with stands and generally just tipping off the deer that
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  Speaker 2: a mass invasion of their worst predator is building up.
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  Speaker 2: If you're a public land hunter, this is a big deal.
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  Speaker 2: If you're not, it might be a big deal, depending
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  Speaker 2: on the size of the property you hunt and the
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  Speaker 2: density of hunters in your area. The idea is to
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  Speaker 2: start to figure out where the deer could be when
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  Speaker 2: the season actually opens. Now, this goes against the traditional
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  Speaker 2: summer scouting advice of finding a bachelor group and then
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  Speaker 2: dialing in their patterns so you can kill them on
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  Speaker 2: opening week. That works, but sometimes well so you know
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  Speaker 2: a lot of times actually it doesn't because the deer
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  Speaker 2: changed their patterns. So what do you do? Well, This
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  Speaker 2: is why you have one mobile setup, or at least
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  Speaker 2: keep your options open to that natural ground blind thing
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  Speaker 2: I talked about last week. The deer might come in
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  Speaker 2: and march right by the stand you have on the
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  Speaker 2: alfalfa field or food plot where you've been monitoring their
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  Speaker 2: activity since turkey season. Or they might pull some move
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  Speaker 2: where they decide the apples are a better bet, especially
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  Speaker 2: since they are falling in the overgrown homestead that no
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  Speaker 2: one goes into until late in the small game season
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  Speaker 2: when the cottontails are in real danger. It's not enough
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  Speaker 2: just to scout heavy right now, to keep tabs on
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  Speaker 2: what is changing on the woods, because if you don't
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  Speaker 2: have the means to react to it, you're just giving
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  Speaker 2: yourself depressing information about how your typical setups might not
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  Speaker 2: cut it. You need to be able to act on
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  Speaker 2: what you find. I think this is maybe the best
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  Speaker 2: reason to try to keep scouting right now, instead of
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  Speaker 2: just admitting that things have changed and probably not for
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  Speaker 2: the better in relation to your early season plan, you know,
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  Speaker 2: and just hoping that things will level off later in
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  Speaker 2: the season and the deer will start doing what you
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  Speaker 2: want them to. You need to meet the deer where
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  Speaker 2: they are now. Like a couple of twelve year old
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  Speaker 2: girls who decide puppy power shirts aren't cool anymore. You
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  Speaker 2: can try to get the world to bend to your
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  Speaker 2: whims and wants, but it doesn't really work that way
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  Speaker 2: with the deer. They go where they can, you know,
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  Speaker 2: where they can get what they need and avoid danger
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  Speaker 2: as much as possible. It is that simple, and it's
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  Speaker 2: something they do all season long. It's also something they
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  Speaker 2: are doing right now, along with the fact that their
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  Speaker 2: world is changing in a variety of ways, many of
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  Speaker 2: which will take them right out of the path you
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  Speaker 2: have set for the season. Don't let that happen if
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  Speaker 2: you can help it. Now. Keep those cameras running, but
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  Speaker 2: get out there too, find those rubs, pay attention to
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  Speaker 2: the random new bucks that seem to show up. Ask yourself,
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  Speaker 2: what food is here today that might be more important
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  Speaker 2: than the food that has been there all summer than
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  Speaker 2: prepare to react to whatever you figure out. Do that
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  Speaker 2: and come back next week, because I'm going to talk
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  Speaker 2: about how you just can't live vicariously through others when
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  Speaker 2: it comes to making deer hunting decisions. That's it. I'm
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  Speaker 2: Tony Peterson. This has been the Wire to Hunt Foundation's podcast,
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  Speaker 2: series that Mark and I put together. Uh, you know,
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  Speaker 2: how to strategies, styles, hunting tactics in video form. Go
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: check that out at the medieater dot com. While you're there,
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: you might find a whole bunch of articles or maybe
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: some other podcasts to kill the time, some video series,
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: tons of hunting content there. Go check it out at
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: the medeater dot com.