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Diogenes Club | E20 - Turning the Lights On with Jessica Denson · Diogenes Club

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SPEAKER_01: Hello hello everyone welcome as you start coming on
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SPEAKER_01: in wherever you're getting us out we are on Substack we are on youtube twitch
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SPEAKER_01: and kick today welcome everybody yeah we've started streaming
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SPEAKER_01: on kick we're gonna start we're kicking this message we're kicking ass over here
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SPEAKER_01: and we're gonna get this diogenes club out everywhere
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SPEAKER_01: Nick Paro Nick Paro Nick Paro Nick Paro Nick Paro Nick Paro Nick Paro Nick Paro Nick
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SPEAKER_01: Paro Nick Paro Nick Paro Nick Paro Nick Paro
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SPEAKER_01: a really special guest someone that I've been talking to in
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SPEAKER_01: the background yeah I've got goosebumps and I got to talk to her on the phone a
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SPEAKER_01: while ago is Jessica Denson from Lights On and she and from Remove
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SPEAKER_01: the Regime she's part of she is an incredible organizer she's a powerful voice
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SPEAKER_01: and I'm so freaking excited to talk to her and we're going to be talking
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SPEAKER_01: with Jessica about
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SPEAKER_01: the DOJ Olmsted decision it touches her family it touches my family
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SPEAKER_01: and me it touches Eric it touches all of us everybody and so we're so excited
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SPEAKER_01: to be able to get to talk with Jessica on the live for the first time I've never had
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SPEAKER_01: a live with Jessica Eric's never had one Walter helped get us introduced to her
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SPEAKER_01: and now I've gotten a chance to speak with her I haven't seen him he's been doing
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SPEAKER_01: I'm glad he seems to be doing well right now and I'm so looking forward
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SPEAKER_01: to getting Jessica on with us here soon because this is going to be
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SPEAKER_01: an incredible discussion we've got a lot to talk about today can the word of
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SPEAKER_02: the day be epic for sick of this shit productions can we just use it as
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SPEAKER_01: an epic day today for you yeah it's going to be an epic sick
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SPEAKER_01: of this shit publication day
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SPEAKER_01: We are epically sick of this shit today because holy fuck.
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SPEAKER_01: First off, let's acknowledge what day it is today.
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SPEAKER_01: Today is the four-year anniversary of the Dobbs decision and
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SPEAKER_01: the Supreme Court telling women that they do not have the right to choose
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SPEAKER_01: for themselves and their bodies and that privacy is not a thing.
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SPEAKER_01: and that america doesn't have a americans don't have a right to privacy
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SPEAKER_01: and that's what it was and if you think the dobbs decision was only
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SPEAKER_01: about abortion i have a boat to sell you in death valley nope
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SPEAKER_01: and you ain't going nowhere with it willfully ignorant on this subject means you're
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SPEAKER_01: an asshole
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SPEAKER_01: Eric, what do you think?
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SPEAKER_01: Because I know I saw you write about it this morning.
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SPEAKER_01: I also want to touch on the SAVE Act stuff.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I mean,
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SPEAKER_02: the fact, I mean, listen,
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SPEAKER_02: everybody who's been following me saw when the SAVE Act first got introduced,
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SPEAKER_02: I immediately was on top of it and had a call to action for your legislatures
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SPEAKER_02: to write letters and to have a state,
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SPEAKER_02: like to have a script to call in and say,
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SPEAKER_02: this is what you're going to do and this is what you're going to say
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SPEAKER_02: and this is how I oppose the SAVE Act.
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SPEAKER_02: and the fact that this orange marmalade looking slobby,
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SPEAKER_02: you know, retaglutide taking motherfucker because we all know it was him.
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SPEAKER_02: That's on Rhoda, right?
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SPEAKER_02: That's not that's taking red, which is not FDA approved, by the way.
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SPEAKER_02: That's a whole nother conversation that we gave to him under
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SPEAKER_02: a compassionate whatever you want to call it,
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SPEAKER_02: which is horseshit because there's a lot more obese people in the United States
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SPEAKER_02: that could have given it to if it was that pandemic ish like you give it
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SPEAKER_02: to everybody anyway.
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SPEAKER_02: So
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SPEAKER_02: the fact that i had a post on the save act again but here's here's
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SPEAKER_02: the data everybody if you have not seen my post
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SPEAKER_02: from this morning i'm just gonna really quickly summarize it so there are this is
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SPEAKER_02: the band state list these are the states that have
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SPEAKER_02: a full abortion ban not partial full abortion ban say it
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SPEAKER_02: with me right alabama arkansas where nick is located hey that's my state oh kentucky
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SPEAKER_02: Louisiana let me know if everybody sees
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SPEAKER_02: a pattern here Mississippi Missouri North Dakota Oklahoma South Dakota Tennessee
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SPEAKER_02: Texas and West Virginia this is the pattern okay so here's the thing so
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SPEAKER_02: the statistics don't lie numbers are numbers right so
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SPEAKER_02: the gender equity policy institute which is the only nonprofit in the country
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SPEAKER_02: that tracks this okay
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SPEAKER_02: Right now, the current rate of what we call MMR or maternal mortality is 18.6 per 100,000.
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SPEAKER_02: So for every 100,000 live births,
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SPEAKER_02: there's 18.6 maternal deaths in the United States,
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SPEAKER_02: which is absolutely un-fucking-necessary.
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SPEAKER_02: It's appalling.
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SPEAKER_02: It's disgusting.
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SPEAKER_02: Okay.
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SPEAKER_02: Here's really this is like,
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SPEAKER_02: and by the way, the CDC won't even report if it's less than 10 per 100,000 live.
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SPEAKER_02: so they just ignore the data so there are
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SPEAKER_02: for every hundred thousand live births there are 10 women
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SPEAKER_02: who are basically just discarded by the CDC as a statistic they don't even look
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SPEAKER_02: at they don't even count it
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SPEAKER_02: but guess what those are moms those are sisters those are mothers those are wives
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SPEAKER_02: those are best friends and the people government is just discarding those people as
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SPEAKER_02: if they don't exist so here here's the basic statement so
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SPEAKER_02: so in september of 2021 texas became the first state to had a ban prior to
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SPEAKER_02: the dobbs decision okay that in the first year
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SPEAKER_02: of its six-week abortion ban maternal mortality rose 90 56 overall and 95 95
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SPEAKER_02: among hold your hold your here's your tone i'm going to do my dean blendell thing
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SPEAKER_02: and reach in and spit into the microphone
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SPEAKER_02: by the way, we'll talk about your Dean interview, but this was along white women.
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SPEAKER_02: 95 increase in mortality among white women.
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SPEAKER_02: So even if it was like five white women that died, it went to 10.
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SPEAKER_02: Okay, because of the Dobbs decision.
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SPEAKER_02: A 50% increase in sepsis in the same period.
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SPEAKER_02: So
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SPEAKER_02: A woman's risk of maternal death in Texas is 155% higher than that in California.
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SPEAKER_02: And if you're a Latina, it's three times the risk of those in California.
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SPEAKER_02: So what are we talking about here?
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SPEAKER_02: This is not taking care of women.
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SPEAKER_02: This is about making sure they die unless they can't produce a healthy child.
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SPEAKER_01: And even if they produce a healthy child, they can still die.
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SPEAKER_02: They're still going to die.
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SPEAKER_02: so here's the deal so for those of you who want to see the stats California is
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SPEAKER_02: the safest state in the country to have
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SPEAKER_02: a child it's 9.5 maternal deaths per hundred thousand it surprises me
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SPEAKER_01: that California is compared to say Massachusetts so that's this that data is is kind
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SPEAKER_02: of out there kind of parsed but like if you look at the maternal data rates
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SPEAKER_02: between um supportive states okay which is really um
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SPEAKER_02: the maternal mortality death rate in states that have supportive services with or
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SPEAKER_02: with supportive laws or however you want to like the term is the term is either so
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SPEAKER_02: the terminology I just want to make sure so we're either talking
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SPEAKER_02: about banned supportive or restrictive state groups okay so like a state like
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SPEAKER_02: a state like Florida is restrictive but it'll still allow for abortions to be legal
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SPEAKER_02: in the event of the mother's life or if it's rape or incest okay
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SPEAKER_02: um so but what you wanted to ask about specifically
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SPEAKER_02: about let's just say like Massachusetts okay so Massachusetts so California
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SPEAKER_02: the new data that just came out in 2025 was 10.1 deaths per 100,000 and that's
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SPEAKER_02: the lowest in
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SPEAKER_02: the US that's California Massachusetts is 13 per 100,000 live births okay and
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SPEAKER_02: then Minnesota is about 14.1 Colorado and Delaware go up to like 25 so
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SPEAKER_02: the highest rate in restrictive states so these are
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SPEAKER_02: the restrictive states now okay Tennessee 42 Louisiana 41 Mississippi 37 Alabama
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SPEAKER_02: Arkansas is 30 listen it's fucking disgusting yes absolutely in the in the state in
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SPEAKER_02: a country with the with literally the best health care in the world
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SPEAKER_02: These numbers are fucking appalling.
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SPEAKER_02: And why is it appalling?
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SPEAKER_02: It's because we as a society have allowed religion to enter into
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SPEAKER_02: the public health policy discourse arguments and have allowed religious beliefs
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SPEAKER_02: to dictate secular health care policy.
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SPEAKER_02: This is why
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SPEAKER_02: I have such an issue with HHS right now.
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SPEAKER_02: I have an issue with Maha.
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SPEAKER_02: I have an issue with Christian evangelical white nationals.
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SPEAKER_02: I have a problem with the religious Jewish population.
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SPEAKER_02: And this is me being Jewish.
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SPEAKER_02: I have a real problem with the ultra-Orthodox religious Jews
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SPEAKER_02: who basically are no better than white Christian evangelicals
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SPEAKER_02: on their belief patterns because they're so far to the right that you got to look
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SPEAKER_02: at them this way just to understand what they're saying.
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SPEAKER_02: and it's it's the leading cause of maternal death nationwide is sepsis and we're not
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SPEAKER_02: and so we knew we would rather have women die then god forbid that fetish has
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SPEAKER_02: to be sacrificed to save the parent now
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SPEAKER_01: God forbid we sacrifice,
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SPEAKER_01: God forbid a fetus dies to protect the life of a person who is already here,
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SPEAKER_01: who already has agency.
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SPEAKER_02: So this is the argument, this is the medical argument, okay?
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SPEAKER_02: Who checks into the hospital?
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SPEAKER_02: Who's the patient?
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SPEAKER_02: Is it the mom or is it the fetus?
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SPEAKER_02: Because guess what?
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SPEAKER_02: The fetus isn't born yet, so the fetus isn't even legal.
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SPEAKER_02: There's a reason why we call it your birthday and not your conception day.
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SPEAKER_02: OK, your legal birthday is the day that you were hatched.
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SPEAKER_02: OK, the patient who enters the hospital is the patient.
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SPEAKER_02: It's the mother.
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SPEAKER_02: OK, yes,
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SPEAKER_02: there are two individuals that will be that get discharged or three or more,
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SPEAKER_02: depending on the pregnancy.
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SPEAKER_02: OK,
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SPEAKER_02: but there's a reason why the mother's life has to be more important than anything
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SPEAKER_02: because she's the goddamn patient.
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SPEAKER_02: And what's happened here is that in these restrictive states,
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SPEAKER_02: not that I wanted to get into a full fucking abortion argument,
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SPEAKER_02: but the problem is,
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SPEAKER_02: is that you now have these states that are telling physicians,
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SPEAKER_02: if you abort a fetus in these restrictive states,
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SPEAKER_02: we're going to charge you with murder.
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SPEAKER_02: Or if you're a mother and you go to a state that's supportive and you kill
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SPEAKER_02: that fetus and you live in our state, we're going to charge you with murder.
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SPEAKER_02: So what's the point here?
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SPEAKER_02: What are we actually what are we doing?
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SPEAKER_01: Forced birth That's what we're doing This is like Handmaid's Tale Shit It's forced
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SPEAKER_01: birth It is not pro-life It's not pro-life It's never been pro-life It's never been
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SPEAKER_01: pro-life No,
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SPEAKER_02: it's never been about pro-life It's controlled It wouldn't allow the women
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SPEAKER_02: to die Yeah,
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SPEAKER_01: it's about control and forced birth Thank you And making women subservient
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SPEAKER_01: and subjugated and discriminated against by men As a healthcare provider,
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SPEAKER_02: as a husband, it makes me fucking sick
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SPEAKER_02: I'm sorry Yeah I'm like I get like I literally get nauseous
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SPEAKER_02: when I hear these conversations and I hear the stories
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SPEAKER_02: and it makes me it just makes me angry and upset as a male that this shit even goes
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SPEAKER_02: on and continues and then we've got people who actually believe this shit
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SPEAKER_02: that it's okay and we've allowed this we've allowed this to be passed in
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SPEAKER_02: the legislatures at the state level and there's been silence by
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SPEAKER_02: the blue duns they don't say shit
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SPEAKER_02: They don't say fucking anything.
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SPEAKER_02: We need to codify so many things in the next Congress and in the next administration
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SPEAKER_02: to make the playing field equitable for women and men.
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SPEAKER_02: And everyone in between.
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SPEAKER_02: And it hasn't been for 250 years.
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SPEAKER_01: And this this is a good also transition to into part
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SPEAKER_01: of our other conversation we're going to be having.
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SPEAKER_01: A lot of this conversation when Jessica gets here is around the Olmstead memo and
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SPEAKER_01: the attempts to re-segregate,
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SPEAKER_01: re-discriminate, and re-force institutionalize people with disabilities.
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SPEAKER_01: That's just part one of what they want to do with the Olmstead memo.
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SPEAKER_01: Because part two is then dissent becomes labeled as a mental illness.
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SPEAKER_01: Yep.
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SPEAKER_01: and you get locked away for being a dissenter and you disappear.
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SPEAKER_01: And if you don't believe that, go read a book about World War II and what the Nazis did.
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SPEAKER_01: It's literally their playbook.
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SPEAKER_01: It is the playbook of eugenics.
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SPEAKER_01: That's what the Dobbs decision was too.
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SPEAKER_01: We have to bring it all back to where these root causes are.
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SPEAKER_01: It's a eugenics decision.
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SPEAKER_01: it was it's based on removing and erasing people who are not within the small status
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SPEAKER_01: that they want the hyper restrictive state
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SPEAKER_01: of humanity they want this is eugenics this regime
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SPEAKER_01: practices eugenics on steroids they have eugenics
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SPEAKER_01: with techno fascists they have eugenics with the neo-nazis they have eugenics with
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SPEAKER_01: the old confederates it's all one in the same the nazis got their cues
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SPEAKER_01: from slave owning americans the nazis learned
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SPEAKER_01: about eugenic and practice their eugenic ideas because of slave owning Americans and
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SPEAKER_01: the Confederates that were left over and the KKK.
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SPEAKER_01: We have to admit and we have to own up to the fact
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SPEAKER_01: that America has been exporting this fascism since its inception.
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SPEAKER_01: We are on a country that we founded through genocide.
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SPEAKER_01: We're built on a nation
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SPEAKER_01: Founded on Slavery but we don't have this way we don't we don't have
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SPEAKER_02: to do it we don't have to have evolved as a society but I think what we are doing is
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SPEAKER_02: by the people we are electing and the choices
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SPEAKER_02: that Americans are making they're choosing Neanderthalism yes it's like we're
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SPEAKER_02: literally like intellectually regressing backwards to a point in time
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SPEAKER_02: where it was unga bunga thumpa thumpa I don't have two brain cells between my ears
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SPEAKER_02: to know that what's right and fucking wrong okay
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SPEAKER_02: and there's just blatant shit that's fucking wrong I'm sorry the eugenics
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SPEAKER_02: the fascism the killing of women the killing of children the mass shootings the gun
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SPEAKER_02: on the dysregulation of weapons
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SPEAKER_02: It's the fucking cheating, the grifting, the scamming.
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SPEAKER_02: I mean, I'm like, I'm channeling Walter right now.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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SPEAKER_01: It's regression versus progression.
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SPEAKER_02: Try to be the super intellectual on this show and really try
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SPEAKER_02: to have these high level conversations.
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SPEAKER_02: But today I'm just fucking pissed because you want to bring back the SAVE Act.
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SPEAKER_02: You want to veto the housing bill.
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SPEAKER_02: You want to restrict women's roles even more so than what you think you're already doing.
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SPEAKER_02: Okay.
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SPEAKER_02: You've got
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SPEAKER_02: Twelve States that are literally saying a woman's life is less important than the unborn child.
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SPEAKER_02: Guess what?
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SPEAKER_02: That child wouldn't even be there if it wasn't for the woman.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: Okay.
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SPEAKER_02: I hate to break it to everybody, guys.
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SPEAKER_02: We may control the gender of the child, but that child is because of the woman.
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SPEAKER_02: That fetus is developing and growing because of a woman's body,
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SPEAKER_02: not because of anything we're fucking doing.
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SPEAKER_01: And Yes There's Nothing Other Than To Say Yes On That Like This Is Basic Physiology
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SPEAKER_02: But It's Also About Genetics And It's Also About The Role
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SPEAKER_01: Of How We Treat People Period We Should Not Be Relitigating Basic Human Dignity Over
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SPEAKER_01: And Over And Over Again We Fucking Did This Already
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SPEAKER_01: we did that already we litigated humanity and guess what we all remember
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SPEAKER_01: that slavery was fucking bad treating people like three-fifths of
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SPEAKER_01: a person is fucking bad well they weren't having a person until it was put into
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SPEAKER_01: the constitution yeah having rape banks where they fucking traded slaves
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SPEAKER_01: to rape them was bad it still is bad
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SPEAKER_01: and we're still fucking doing it we just transitioned it to what we call
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SPEAKER_01: the Epstein Network
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SPEAKER_01: It's all the fucking stain The Trump Kushner Network Is slavery
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SPEAKER_01: And rape banks brought back That's what they want Then all
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SPEAKER_01: of this Is regression versus progression It is not left versus right It is not
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SPEAKER_01: liberal versus conservative This is do we regress As a society To a state
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SPEAKER_01: where we see people As subhuman
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SPEAKER_01: Or Can We Finally Fucking Progress To An Equal And Equitable Society And Building On
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SPEAKER_01: That There Is A QR Code Over Eric's Head Now For The Disability Community
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SPEAKER_01: For Democracy's Official Statement On The Olmstead Memo It's At
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SPEAKER_02: The Two O'Clock Position At The Two O'Clock Position
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SPEAKER_01: Right now right over Eric's head please scan the QR code go like share and restack
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SPEAKER_01: the official statement from the disability community for democracy as well
20:13
SPEAKER_01: as support and follow them subscribe to that platform because Naida and the team
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SPEAKER_01: at DC4D is doing incredible things thank you so much for doing
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SPEAKER_01: that she is working her ass off on top of that she helped provide
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SPEAKER_01: the scripts for us to be able to call our members of Congress to email and fax them.
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SPEAKER_01: I'm going to add it here at the bottom below Eric and I,
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SPEAKER_01: the second script, a second QR code that you could scan.
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SPEAKER_01: Call to action to say no to Crip Crow.
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SPEAKER_01: And that language right there, Crip Crow, that hit me when I saw that.
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SPEAKER_01: yeah in such a powerful way holy fuck guys this is
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SPEAKER_01: the fight right now you either stay silent and they come for us
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SPEAKER_01: or you speak out we all know what happens if you stay silent
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SPEAKER_01: in these moments they disappear us and then when it comes time
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SPEAKER_01: for people to speak out for you there's nobody there we will not be there
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SPEAKER_01: because we will be gone because we are not part of that group we are
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SPEAKER_01: the others listen i i don't want to keep and we have power
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SPEAKER_01: to do something that's what i want to bring this to is we have the power
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SPEAKER_01: to do something
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SPEAKER_01: if we put enough pressure on this legislation on this on legislators right now
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SPEAKER_01: the call to action isn't just for them to say something there's laws on
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SPEAKER_01: the books right now the Americans with Disabilities Act can be amended to codify
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SPEAKER_01: the Olmstead decision today yep it would take them 10 fucking minutes to amend
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SPEAKER_01: the bill
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SPEAKER_01: and pass it through both House and Senate.
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SPEAKER_01: It would take them 10 fucking minutes.
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SPEAKER_01: All I'm asking is that everybody takes the moments each day to call.
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SPEAKER_01: I'm going to be doing that later today too.
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SPEAKER_01: I'm going to do a live on Substack where it may just be me on there,
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SPEAKER_01: but I'm going to invite all of you to come and join me to do our daily call
22:49
SPEAKER_01: to action.
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SPEAKER_01: to call our representative and our senators in the federal government and demand
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SPEAKER_01: that they codify the Olmstead decision into law because Stephen Miller is
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SPEAKER_01: a eugenicist who wants us gone because we are the others.
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SPEAKER_01: We are weak.
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SPEAKER_01: in their eyes we are nothing because we cannot produce
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SPEAKER_01: for their capitalistic society we cannot produce their wealth they can't steal
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SPEAKER_01: from us because we can't produce the way that they think we need to produce
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SPEAKER_01: because humanity to them is they get to have autocratic socialism the rest
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SPEAKER_01: of us are serfs the rest of us are slaves to their environment
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SPEAKER_01: and so right now is your time to act
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SPEAKER_01: and we can do it we can do it every single fucking day
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SPEAKER_01: if we get myself I'm doing this I'm doing this every day if a hundred
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SPEAKER_01: of you join me plus every day to do it that's a hundred calls each day
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SPEAKER_01: to represent it to your representative and your senators if we can get some of
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SPEAKER_01: the larger platforms to join in with us
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SPEAKER_01: Imagine a publication with a hundred thousand people Imagine a publication
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SPEAKER_01: with five million people if they joined us and only ten percent
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SPEAKER_01: of their subscribers called ten percent of
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SPEAKER_01: a hundred thousand is ten thousand people calling ten percent
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SPEAKER_01: of five million is five hundred thousand people
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SPEAKER_01: 500,000 people.
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SPEAKER_01: And yes, that's you, Midas Touch.
24:48
SPEAKER_01: You have the power to have 500,000 people or more called daily if you choose to use it.
24:57
SPEAKER_01: The Bulwark, you too.
25:01
SPEAKER_01: I won't call out other platforms because I've reached out to some of
25:04
SPEAKER_01: the other platforms and I have had some incredibly amazing responses from people
25:10
SPEAKER_01: who are ready and willing to support
25:12
SPEAKER_01: What we are doing.
25:15
SPEAKER_01: But I'm calling on the other platforms.
25:18
SPEAKER_01: They need to step in and do it too.
25:21
SPEAKER_01: And this is where you guys also come in handy
25:24
SPEAKER_01: and really can support us is contact those platforms.
25:28
SPEAKER_01: If you are a founding subscriber on Substack to a platform that you think needs
25:33
SPEAKER_01: to be speaking out or if you're a paid subscriber, DM them.
25:37
SPEAKER_01: Message them.
25:38
SPEAKER_01: Do it on repeat until they fucking get back to you.
25:43
SPEAKER_01: because after they come for people with disabilities, they will come for the next group.
25:50
SPEAKER_01: And the group of people with disabilities is vast.
25:56
SPEAKER_01: We are the largest segment of society.
26:03
SPEAKER_01: I'm just going to put that out there.
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SPEAKER_01: People with disabilities are the largest segment of society.
26:10
SPEAKER_02: And it's because of the ADA that they have been recognized,
26:13
SPEAKER_02: have been given rights and resources.
26:16
SPEAKER_02: And, you know.
26:18
SPEAKER_01: And I will give credit where credit is due on that one.
26:20
SPEAKER_01: George H.W.
26:21
SPEAKER_01: Bush signed the ADA into law.
26:24
SPEAKER_01: And he said it was one of the most important things he has ever done.
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SPEAKER_01: It was one of the most important things George H.W.
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SPEAKER_01: Bush ever did.
26:36
SPEAKER_01: And he was proud of it.
26:38
SPEAKER_01: Because it wasn't conservatism versus liberalism, it was progress versus regression.
26:46
SPEAKER_01: And he progressed society forward with the ADA.
26:50
SPEAKER_01: He progressed America towards a slightly more equal and equitable society.
26:56
SPEAKER_01: But it needs to go further.
26:59
SPEAKER_02: I just want to remind everybody that this was 1990, July 26th, so about a month from now, okay?
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SPEAKER_02: the final comfort the final conference report was passed in the House
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SPEAKER_02: of Representatives 377 to 28 the Senate passed 91 to six like if this is not
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SPEAKER_02: a statement of what was to be done right to a certain group
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SPEAKER_02: of people I don't know what is less than 40 years ago okay
27:36
SPEAKER_02: There Is No Reason Today That This Should Even Fucking Exist These Numbers That
27:45
SPEAKER_02: And Keep In Mind Too Like I Mean We Were Talking About This
27:48
SPEAKER_02: On Tuesday Right Majority Of Congress People At Time Both Senators
27:52
SPEAKER_02: And House Congress People This Was A World War Two Generation That Was In Congress
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SPEAKER_02: At The Time That
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SPEAKER_02: they came this was the first like major legislation in 1990 where
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SPEAKER_02: that population was finally understanding all of the
28:20
SPEAKER_02: things that the soldiers were coming back from from World War Two and how it
28:24
SPEAKER_02: that even took 50 years to get 45 years to get after the fact
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SPEAKER_02: to get these disability rights approved.
28:31
SPEAKER_02: So the majority of the soldiers coming home who are in their 20 early 20s,
28:35
SPEAKER_02: mid 20s, early 30s at the time of the passage of the ADA were in their 60s and 70s.
28:45
SPEAKER_02: And then you had the Vietnam and Korea veterans
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SPEAKER_02: that were affected by this too.
28:49
SPEAKER_02: And I'm not just speaking of military at this point,
28:52
SPEAKER_02: but then you had all the civil service people,
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SPEAKER_02: your firefighters, your police officers, you know, US mail carriers.
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SPEAKER_02: And then it was expanded even further to the general civilian population
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SPEAKER_02: with mental health and physical disabilities due to trauma and injury and violence.
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SPEAKER_02: It just became such a month.
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SPEAKER_02: I think, honestly, Nick,
29:18
SPEAKER_02: at the time when you're looking at like generational passage of laws i think the ada
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SPEAKER_02: in 1990 was one of the most pivotal pieces of legislation in the history
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SPEAKER_02: of this country that i would probably rank up there with the voting rights act
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SPEAKER_02: the passage of the 13th amendment um the affordable care act the year the ada was
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SPEAKER_02: the medicare act in 1973
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SPEAKER_02: um you know certain just pivotal pieces of legislation that as a country
29:54
SPEAKER_02: that we can still do great things with the right people to make it happen
30:02
SPEAKER_02: and right now the elected officials we have these are not the right people
30:05
SPEAKER_02: to get anything done they're just not the right people they don't have
30:08
SPEAKER_02: the they don't have the will they don't have the stomach they don't have
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SPEAKER_02: the courage they don't have the spine
30:17
SPEAKER_02: These are fucking cowards that we have elected.
30:19
SPEAKER_02: These 435 Congress people that we have,
30:21
SPEAKER_02: and I'm going to loop them all together because it's what it is.
30:23
SPEAKER_02: They're all cowards.
30:25
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
30:26
SPEAKER_02: Maybe there's 10 of them that have a fucking spine.
30:29
SPEAKER_02: And as far as the senators are concerned.
30:32
SPEAKER_02: If you could find a spine in the Senate, you'd be, yeah, like.
30:37
SPEAKER_02: Maybe five.
30:38
SPEAKER_02: And this isn't because all of a sudden you grow a fucking spine
30:40
SPEAKER_02: because you lost your fucking primary.
30:43
SPEAKER_02: You're there for six goddamn years.
30:45
SPEAKER_02: Do your fucking job.
30:47
SPEAKER_01: Yeah Just Do Your Fucking Job The ADA Was Signed 1990 That's
30:54
SPEAKER_01: The Year I Was Born Yeah I Was The ADA Is As Old As I Am 36 Years Is The ADA
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SPEAKER_01: The Olmstead Decision Was 1999 Was
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SPEAKER_01: When We Finally Stopped Force Institutionalizing Segregating
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SPEAKER_01: And Discriminating Openly
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SPEAKER_01: Against Disabled People 1999 It Took Almost Three Years For The Two Women Who Were
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SPEAKER_01: In That Case To Get That Decision And Be Released From Their Fucking Forced Care
31:33
SPEAKER_01: And Now Texas Is Trying To Undo All Of That The DOJ Is Trying To Undo All Of That
31:41
SPEAKER_02: I just want to remind you we're at the top of the hour
31:43
SPEAKER_01: and we have our special guest is she backstage she will be I haven't she hasn't come
31:48
SPEAKER_01: in yet I'm going to drop her the link again just so
31:51
SPEAKER_01: that she's got it um nope she just texted she's in
31:54
SPEAKER_02: the chat she'll be right there oh fantastic
31:57
SPEAKER_02: and I just wanted I we were we were we were just on our soapboxes we're
32:01
SPEAKER_02: on our soapbox yeah I don't want to I went 32 minutes and Jesus Christ like you know
32:06
SPEAKER_02: But I just want to,
32:07
SPEAKER_02: before she comes on,
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SPEAKER_02: I want to put this topic to bed for the day because we're going to talk
32:11
SPEAKER_02: with her more about it, at least between you and me.
32:16
SPEAKER_02: If this was a baseball team and we had players as the managers
32:22
SPEAKER_02: of our respective teams,
32:24
SPEAKER_02: and these were the statistics literally of not getting anything done
32:27
SPEAKER_02: and not performing, hitting under 200,
32:31
SPEAKER_02: Striking out all the time,
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SPEAKER_02: making errors,
32:34
SPEAKER_02: not producing in the field,
32:35
SPEAKER_02: not winning games, not being able to hit a base hit or take a walk.
32:42
SPEAKER_02: If we treat our congresspeople like athletes and they underperform, they get cut.
32:49
SPEAKER_02: They get waived.
32:50
SPEAKER_02: They get put on waivers.
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SPEAKER_01: Not at the end of their contract, but during.
32:56
SPEAKER_02: Done.
32:56
SPEAKER_02: We'll still pay your contract, but we're sending you down to the minors.
32:59
SPEAKER_02: You're out.
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SPEAKER_02: You're out of the big game.
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SPEAKER_02: Like we're sending you from the majors down to, you know, whatever.
33:04
SPEAKER_02: And we don't have that capability in the law with the way that our Congress people are elected.
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SPEAKER_02: The only way that we talked about this on Tuesday,
33:12
SPEAKER_02: the only way that they can be removed is if they're removed from Congress.
33:17
SPEAKER_02: They die themselves.
33:19
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
33:21
SPEAKER_02: Or they solve to change.
33:22
SPEAKER_02: Right.
33:22
SPEAKER_02: It has to change.
33:23
SPEAKER_02: Like we just we cannot continue.
33:24
SPEAKER_02: We live in a world today where there should be nothing guaranteed.
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SPEAKER_02: Except for three things, right?
33:32
SPEAKER_02: Housing, healthcare, and food.
33:41
SPEAKER_01: I'll add fourth is education.
33:43
SPEAKER_01: Education.
33:44
SPEAKER_01: Because education stabilizes and makes nations strong.
33:48
SPEAKER_01: It makes the people of the nation stronger.
33:51
SPEAKER_02: I know the old talk was death and taxes were only two things that were guaranteed,
33:54
SPEAKER_02: but those aren't even guaranteed anymore.
33:56
SPEAKER_01: Well, death is guaranteed.
33:58
SPEAKER_02: No, but we can defibrillate you and bring it back to life.
34:01
SPEAKER_02: Well that's true you can be clinically dead but not legally dead
34:05
SPEAKER_01: yeah that's true that's fair and don't worry we're getting just gone she'll be here
34:10
SPEAKER_01: in a couple nights we're just working on getting her in the in the show like she's
34:14
SPEAKER_01: in our chat with us if you have not subscribed to Jessica Denson yet please go
34:19
SPEAKER_01: and follow her work we're gonna have a really good conversation
34:21
SPEAKER_01: on continuing our conversation on this I mean if you guys haven't noticed
34:26
SPEAKER_02: the disability topic hits Nick and I really hard I me on the standpoint of from
34:30
SPEAKER_02: the clinical side
34:32
SPEAKER_01: Me On The Standpoint Of I Am A Disabled Individual And Even More So For Nieto Who's
34:37
SPEAKER_02: In The Fight Who's Disabled Herself And By The Way Did You Hear The President
34:42
SPEAKER_02: The Other Day I Think It Was Even Yesterday That Fucking Piece
34:45
SPEAKER_02: Of Shit He Can't Even Bring Himself To Use
34:48
SPEAKER_02: The Word Disabled He's Still Using Language Like Handicapped Like Like I Mean It's
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SPEAKER_02: So It's So Demeaning To Call Somebody Handicapped
35:03
SPEAKER_01: because they're not handicapped yeah I also saw and this may this this will be
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SPEAKER_01: a summer come here we go hey so friends we are going
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SPEAKER_01: to introduce our amazing guest today right now is welcome Jessica hi Jessica it's so
35:23
SPEAKER_01: so good to have you here with us Nick and I both have goosebumps my hair standing
35:27
SPEAKER_02: on my end of my yeah I've got goosebumps right now I love this
35:30
SPEAKER_00: you're you're you both are wonderful nick has been nick you have been um
35:35
SPEAKER_00: an unbelievable asset and help behind the scenes i have to thank you so much
35:39
SPEAKER_00: and just just the love that you both have poured on on the work we're doing and uh
35:44
SPEAKER_00: and my show has been beautiful so thank you so much i'm all for clump i mean
35:51
SPEAKER_00: to hear people who are as outraged with the living dead that are otherwise known
35:55
SPEAKER_00: as our elected representatives i mean
35:57
SPEAKER_00: Yes, we need to have this collective outrage about the people that are supposed
36:01
SPEAKER_00: to be doing our work.
36:02
SPEAKER_00: It's utterly disgusting.
36:04
SPEAKER_01: So Jessica,
36:05
SPEAKER_01: for anyone who doesn't know you,
36:08
SPEAKER_01: which I think a lot of our folks in the audience have heard,
36:10
SPEAKER_01: have seen you before, I know I used to watch, I love your show.
36:15
SPEAKER_01: I really appreciate what you do.
36:17
SPEAKER_01: Thank you for speaking out.
36:18
SPEAKER_01: Super.
36:18
SPEAKER_01: Thank you.
36:19
SPEAKER_01: You're a rockstar.
36:20
SPEAKER_01: Can you introduce yourself to everyone in our audience so that they know who you are?
36:24
SPEAKER_01: I'm going to drop your Substack link for everyone just so that they can go subscribe
36:28
SPEAKER_01: to you right now.
36:29
SPEAKER_01: And if you haven't, hit the subscribe button in the top left corner so that you can't subscribe.
36:32
SPEAKER_01: And if you don't subscribe,
36:33
SPEAKER_02: we're going to find you and we're going to boot you out of the chat
36:35
SPEAKER_02: because that's like... Oh, you all are very kind.
36:40
SPEAKER_00: Let me give you something that I don't usually start off with.
36:43
SPEAKER_00: I'm an actress.
36:44
SPEAKER_00: I'm an award-winning journalist by education.
36:48
SPEAKER_00: I'm an animal lover and animal welfare activists since like you know inception
36:53
SPEAKER_00: and Somehow because of a very perverted media system that we all know
36:58
SPEAKER_00: about I got swept into right-wing politics Went from being a Barack Obama supporter
37:03
SPEAKER_00: in the primary of 2008 to ultimately backing Trump and working on his campaign
37:08
SPEAKER_00: in 2016 Had a nightmare experience that anybody on
37:12
SPEAKER_00: the outside could have predicted I was an educated woman summa cum laude grad but
37:17
SPEAKER_00: Turned a blind eye to his background didn't know things
37:20
SPEAKER_00: that like Central Park five were just completely ignorant about so many things
37:25
SPEAKER_00: and was made to believe that Democrats were going to set our country on fire kind
37:29
SPEAKER_00: of like the up is down construct of the real threat that's out there.
37:35
SPEAKER_00: and so went to work for him had a nightmare experience wanted to walk away wanted
37:38
SPEAKER_00: to say this never happened nobody needs to know about it maybe go back to my work as
37:41
SPEAKER_00: an actress and just you know pretend like this this was a dream and I ultimately had
37:47
SPEAKER_00: an existential crisis where I realized I couldn't live with myself walking away
37:52
SPEAKER_00: from this it was kind of like
37:53
SPEAKER_00: that age-old injustice anywhere is injustice everywhere and I had to deal with this
37:58
SPEAKER_00: if I was going to have credibility in anything that I cared about or stood
38:02
SPEAKER_00: for moving forward in my life
38:04
SPEAKER_00: And so in 2017,
38:06
SPEAKER_00: almost 10 years ago,
38:08
SPEAKER_00: I filed a pro se lawsuit against the Trump campaign because I didn't have time
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SPEAKER_00: to get a lawyer,
38:12
SPEAKER_00: didn't have money to pay for anyone,
38:15
SPEAKER_00: didn't have enough people that believed in my case, but I believed in my case.
38:21
SPEAKER_00: I filed that, it began, this was a human rights lawsuit, it initiated a multi-year battle.
38:27
SPEAKER_00: I was one of the first victims of Trump's real political persecution.
38:31
SPEAKER_00: Witnessing how he uses the justice system and how he weaponized what was
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SPEAKER_00: a private agreement and a legal private agreement as president through his campaign
38:41
SPEAKER_00: to try to silence American citizens.
38:44
SPEAKER_00: And I was gradually having my awakening.
38:47
SPEAKER_00: I say my awakening started on day one with the Muslim ban because I realized
38:51
SPEAKER_00: that every campaign shtick that I thought was just
38:54
SPEAKER_00: that just bravado was actually real life horrors that he was going to bring.
38:58
SPEAKER_00: And that that kind of really woke me up.
39:00
SPEAKER_00: But it was gradual.
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SPEAKER_00: and I was waking up as I was bringing these lawsuits against him, filed a second lawsuit.
39:06
SPEAKER_00: He came after me with this illegal NDA that he's trying.
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SPEAKER_00: Once again, I can't believe it.
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SPEAKER_00: I mean, we killed these things in the courts.
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SPEAKER_00: He's trying it again today with federal workers, these NDAs.
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SPEAKER_00: And he tried to come after me for $1.5 million.
39:20
SPEAKER_00: I sued him again.
39:21
SPEAKER_00: at the ultimately had three different iterations of my lawsuits
39:25
SPEAKER_00: and three different venues at one point he had a $50,000 judgment against me tried
39:29
SPEAKER_00: to bankrupt me take away the one I had no money
39:33
SPEAKER_00: but I had good credit he would have just taken away the one financial stronghold
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SPEAKER_00: that I had and I fought through this through the entire first administration in
39:42
SPEAKER_00: the end came out invalidating every single NDA that any 2016 staff or volunteer
39:47
SPEAKER_00: or contractor ever signed not just for myself for everyone
39:51
SPEAKER_00: and have parlayed that into what in this illegal administration
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SPEAKER_00: that should have never started on day one if those people in Congress had one tenth
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SPEAKER_00: of the respect for the oath that they have taken.
40:08
SPEAKER_00: My on the ground activism started on day one in 2025.
40:13
SPEAKER_00: urging Congress to reject this and has continued for the past year and a half
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SPEAKER_00: in my work with the Removal Coalition to get this son of a gun
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SPEAKER_00: and this illegal criminal regime kicked out of office thank you for all
40:26
SPEAKER_01: the hard work you're doing that's great I have
40:29
SPEAKER_02: to I I'm like I this is like I'm like I can't even follow
40:33
SPEAKER_02: that up like that's just did you let that absolutely hang
40:36
SPEAKER_01: it's yeah I have to say just on a personal note it's kind it's it's really amazing
40:42
SPEAKER_01: to meet you like actually get to see you face to face
40:45
SPEAKER_01: in this way I'm I know I've been backstage helping you before but it's so great
40:51
SPEAKER_01: to actually just get to talk to you and have this discussion because you're
40:55
SPEAKER_01: a fighter and you're you've prevailed not only are you a fighter but you're a winner
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SPEAKER_01: in all of this too like you have opened the door for so many other people
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SPEAKER_01: and the courage that you've shown is immense and you've shown
41:11
SPEAKER_01: that it can be done it can be done and thank you for the courage that you have shown
41:19
SPEAKER_01: through all of this and this is where I guess we can get into the courage of
41:24
SPEAKER_01: the moment now too and what I've been reaching out to people on and I reached out
41:28
SPEAKER_01: to you Jessica about it was the
41:32
SPEAKER_01: Nick was the DOJ Olmsted memo and the saying no to Crip Crow and what's going on.
41:39
SPEAKER_01: And yesterday came out that Stephen Miller is behind this DOJ memo.
41:44
SPEAKER_01: But because of course, yeah.
41:46
SPEAKER_01: And I, I would love to hear your thoughts on as a organizer as a leader
41:53
SPEAKER_01: in helping navigate this space to bring people together and form these coalitions is
42:01
SPEAKER_01: How can we get this out there?
42:06
SPEAKER_01: What can we do?
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SPEAKER_01: What help can maybe I ask of you to increase our reach and make sure
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SPEAKER_01: that we can codify the Olmstead decision into law before it gets taken away?
42:21
SPEAKER_00: Well, what I listened to of the show before I came on was an excellent framework.
42:27
SPEAKER_00: I mean, you properly describe this as parallel to eugenics and basically eugenics.
42:32
SPEAKER_00: I mean, people need to understand the gravity of this.
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SPEAKER_00: And this is to me with Donald Trump,
42:36
SPEAKER_00: this is a figure who is both mentally ill and a criminal and constantly projects
42:43
SPEAKER_00: that onto other people.
42:44
SPEAKER_00: You notice how many times Donald Trump and his rallies talked about mental asylums.
42:49
SPEAKER_00: and Criminals and this is this is a guy who himself suffers from mental illness
42:54
SPEAKER_02: and is a no career no don't say that's not true
42:59
SPEAKER_00: and you know this is such this is such
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SPEAKER_00: a serious I told Nick I think you're doing all the right things it is
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SPEAKER_00: the focus must be on Congress I'm sure that this this decision is going
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SPEAKER_00: to be challenged in the courts the problem with the courts and I am living proof
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SPEAKER_00: of this they are slow
43:17
SPEAKER_00: People's lives are altered in irreversible ways sometimes as you're waiting for
43:22
SPEAKER_00: the courts to rule properly as decisions are going back and forth.
43:26
SPEAKER_00: And when you have people institutionalized,
43:28
SPEAKER_00: for God's sakes,
43:29
SPEAKER_00: you can imagine the impact of those poor decisions or slow walk decisions
43:35
SPEAKER_00: as this is being, you know, litigated.
43:39
SPEAKER_00: so you must I mean that's why our movement you know my my work in
43:44
SPEAKER_00: the removal coalition has been so laser focused on Congress putting the onus
43:50
SPEAKER_00: on them calling out their complicity in the crimes of this regime down
43:55
SPEAKER_00: to your favorite
43:57
SPEAKER_00: fricking rockstar democrat that gets all the likes and the retweets and everything else.
44:02
SPEAKER_00: Because unless they're Al Green,
44:04
SPEAKER_00: and I don't mean the algorithm of the last few months,
44:06
SPEAKER_00: because I'm still waiting for him.
44:07
SPEAKER_00: And by the way,
44:08
SPEAKER_00: he's going to be coming back, but not even at a speed that I'm been satisfied with.
44:13
SPEAKER_00: Unless you're him forcing votes on the floor of the house.
44:16
SPEAKER_00: You're not doing your job in my book right now.
44:19
SPEAKER_00: You're just not.
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SPEAKER_00: We wouldn't.
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SPEAKER_00: If we got rid of this criminal regime,
44:22
SPEAKER_00: we wouldn't have a Stephen Miller trying to reinstitute eugenics in 2026.
44:27
SPEAKER_02: And, you know, don't talk about Smeagol.
44:28
SPEAKER_02: We don't refer him to Stephen Miller.
44:29
SPEAKER_02: We call him Smeagol.
44:31
SPEAKER_02: He's a smegalomaniac.
44:32
SPEAKER_00: You want a little you want a story that I probably haven't told in a long time?
44:36
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
44:37
SPEAKER_00: Maybe never even fully.
44:39
SPEAKER_00: So I worked with Stephen Miller on the 2016 Trump campaign.
44:42
SPEAKER_00: I had.
44:42
SPEAKER_02: I'm sorry.
44:43
SPEAKER_02: I'm sorry you had that traumatic experience.
44:45
SPEAKER_00: Thank you.
44:46
SPEAKER_00: Thank you.
44:47
SPEAKER_00: So I had a very rapid ascent in the Trump campaign.
44:53
SPEAKER_00: I went from working as a national phone bank administrator.
44:57
SPEAKER_00: People wrongfully say, oh, she was a volunteer for phone banks.
45:00
SPEAKER_00: No, I was the national administrator for phone banks for the campaign from Trump Tower.
45:03
SPEAKER_00: Anyway, that said, it was still a fairly low level position.
45:07
SPEAKER_00: Within two weeks of my hire,
45:08
SPEAKER_00: Steve Bannon,
45:09
SPEAKER_00: of all people, promoted me to lead Hispanic engagement for the campaign.
45:16
SPEAKER_00: I then began working side by side with Stephen Miller.
45:19
SPEAKER_00: It was kind of like Stephen Miller and and Steve Bannon were running that campaign
45:23
SPEAKER_00: and Kellyanne Conway.
45:24
SPEAKER_00: But it was it was very much them that were driving a lot of decisions.
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SPEAKER_00: And so I kind of was on Stephen Miller's policy team for a short time.
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SPEAKER_00: And Steve Bannon really plugged me in to a high level of everything.
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SPEAKER_00: He brought me on the Trump plane.
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SPEAKER_00: He brought me to, you know, the green rooms of debates and events like that.
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SPEAKER_00: It was it was very
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SPEAKER_00: quickly ascendant,
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SPEAKER_00: also the cause for the eventual and very quick retaliation and jealousy and all
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SPEAKER_00: the things that come with that, which is what I experienced.
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SPEAKER_00: But just to stick with Stephen Miller for a minute,
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SPEAKER_00: the night after the first debate was my first time riding on the Trump plane.
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SPEAKER_00: They had at this point,
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SPEAKER_00: the cool kids,
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SPEAKER_00: the boys club,
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SPEAKER_00: had decided that it was time to sabotage me because I was moving
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SPEAKER_00: a little too far too fast.
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SPEAKER_00: And amongst those people,
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SPEAKER_00: They Decided To Do That With Stephen Miller And I Got Onto That Plane That Day
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SPEAKER_00: And I Was Little,
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SPEAKER_00: You Know,
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SPEAKER_00: Docile Jessica Okay Walking Onto This Into This Den Of Wolves And One Of
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SPEAKER_00: The More Decent Staff Members Someone On The Finance In
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SPEAKER_00: The Finance Department Told Me And My Other Companion That Day On The Plane Where
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SPEAKER_00: To Sit And It Happened To Be In The Secret Service Section Now If You Walk Onto
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SPEAKER_00: The Trump Plane In These Days
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SPEAKER_00: the first section where you'd normally have first class in a regular in
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SPEAKER_00: a regular passenger plane was basically the coach.
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SPEAKER_00: And that was where Secret Service sat.
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SPEAKER_00: You walk beyond that.
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SPEAKER_00: And it's like the living room, right?
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SPEAKER_00: It's the dining room table.
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SPEAKER_00: It's the big lounge where Trump sits with the TV and then beyond that, some private rooms.
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SPEAKER_00: So we were delegated to the Secret Service section.
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SPEAKER_00: I call it the coach of the Trump plane.
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SPEAKER_00: and we sat down and the other girl that was with me,
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SPEAKER_00: a girl named AJ Delgado, it's a whole other story, no time for that today.
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SPEAKER_00: She sat next to me,
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SPEAKER_00: but she quickly removed herself and went over to the cool kids table in
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SPEAKER_00: the other part of the plane.
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SPEAKER_00: So the nice finance staffer sees that she's moved and he's like,
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SPEAKER_00: you know what, you can come too.
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SPEAKER_00: You don't have to stay here, you can come too.
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SPEAKER_00: I move over.
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SPEAKER_00: I already know.
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SPEAKER_00: And I am not equipped for this.
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SPEAKER_00: Mind you, I am not equipped for workplace like knives out attacks.
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SPEAKER_00: Jessica Denson is not equipped for this.
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SPEAKER_00: OK, so she goes in.
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SPEAKER_00: She's good at her job.
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SPEAKER_00: She's really good at what she does,
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SPEAKER_00: but she is not equipped for the social assassins in the Trump campaign.
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SPEAKER_00: So I walk into that table in the you know, the lounge
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SPEAKER_00: Elite part of the plane,
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SPEAKER_00: sit down at a table with AJ Delgado,
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SPEAKER_00: Stephen Miller, Hope Hicks, and I think the finance guy, Eli.
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SPEAKER_00: Stephen Miller looks at me and he says, this is a workspace.
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SPEAKER_00: Oh, really?
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SPEAKER_00: This is a workspace?
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SPEAKER_00: Well, what the fuck am I doing there if not working?
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SPEAKER_00: What am I doing?
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SPEAKER_00: Am I not on that plane to work like everybody else
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SPEAKER_00: while Stephen Miller literally sits there and gives hope Hicks a shoulder massage?
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SPEAKER_00: Is that working?
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SPEAKER_00: But Jessica Denson,
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SPEAKER_00: who is literally probably the one that's working most seriously on that plane at
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SPEAKER_00: that time, is not allowed to sit at the workspace.
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SPEAKER_00: So I said, you know what?
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SPEAKER_00: Nothing.
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SPEAKER_00: I could say things.
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SPEAKER_00: I will say nothing.
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SPEAKER_00: I will take my little backpack and go back to the Secret Service section of the plane, sit down.
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SPEAKER_00: Guess what happens three minutes later?
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SPEAKER_00: Donald Trump walks across that section into the Secret Service area,
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SPEAKER_00: goes to probably the cockpit, walks back and says, what are you doing sitting here?
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SPEAKER_00: It says to the Secret Service guy I'm sitting next to something like,
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SPEAKER_00: oh, the pretty ones always sit next to you.
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SPEAKER_00: Come with me.
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SPEAKER_00: and takes me and trots me back across that den of wolves onto a couch to sit
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SPEAKER_00: with him and talk for the,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: two minutes that I could have his attention because his mind is like noodles
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SPEAKER_00: and you can't pin him down.
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SPEAKER_00: And I, of course, I didn't have, I was strictly business.
49:43
SPEAKER_00: I was working on a new logo for the Spanish language and very,
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SPEAKER_00: you know, just wanted to get my business done.
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SPEAKER_00: Can I get your approval, Mr. Trump?
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SPEAKER_00: Thank you very much.
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SPEAKER_00: But that was my utterly debasing,
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SPEAKER_00: humiliating,
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SPEAKER_00: dehumanizing, discrediting women in the workplace experience with Stephen Miller.
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SPEAKER_02: I have about 800 follow up questions.
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SPEAKER_02: I mean, I have a palindrome for this and it's wow.
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SPEAKER_02: it's a one word answer Jessica I'm so sorry you had to deal with that I am so sorry
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SPEAKER_02: that you even got put in a position where
50:24
SPEAKER_02: that little hobbit looking turd turd ball okay there's not enough adjectives
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SPEAKER_02: to describe exactly what he is because it's so disgusting that you can't use it
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SPEAKER_02: in public discourse I just I mean now here's my question yeah
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SPEAKER_02: I have one question it's 10 years later if you ran into yourself 10 years ago
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SPEAKER_02: and you were trying traveling what do you tell yourself what
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SPEAKER_00: the hell are you doing here like what the hell are you doing
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SPEAKER_02: the only reason why I'm asking that and that's normally
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SPEAKER_02: the gut check answer right like we would all do that like don't do that yeah
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SPEAKER_02: but just remember that that experience and what you've gone through has forged
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SPEAKER_02: who you are today
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SPEAKER_02: of course and would you be that same Jessica Denson that's a powerhouse that is
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SPEAKER_02: on everybody's shit and make the forcing the change that we need
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SPEAKER_02: at this particular time in American history or are you going to be
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SPEAKER_02: the Star Trek Captain Picard that is the blue shirt who has no future
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SPEAKER_02: in command who's relegated to the astrophysics laboratory on a starship
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SPEAKER_00: No no listen guys I mean I sometimes joke I've had a book that's been on
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SPEAKER_00: the shelf you know all
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SPEAKER_00: the other like former Trumpers first thing they did was like write a book
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SPEAKER_00: and like here I'm you know the book is
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SPEAKER_00: the last consideration probably should have been the first but anyway I joke
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SPEAKER_00: about my book which is in progress just been on hold because of all the activism
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SPEAKER_00: that I think it's going to be called Get Out
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SPEAKER_00: because I have been I've been kicked out and shut out of so many places
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SPEAKER_00: in my life it is a badge of honor at this point trust me it is a badge of honor
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SPEAKER_00: but I'm like don't let me in it's okay I'm gonna be slaying here on
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SPEAKER_00: the outside once you shut slam that door on me so don't let me in I am I just want
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SPEAKER_01: to say for like seeing all the other
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SPEAKER_01: Like books and stuff that come out
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SPEAKER_01: and like controversies around people releasing books I'm so glad
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SPEAKER_01: that it wasn't your first thing that you went to was to write a book as you went
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SPEAKER_01: and did the activism part like we've been at there there are some people that held
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SPEAKER_01: on to information for nearly what eight months on the Epstein stuff to write a book
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SPEAKER_01: and Michael Wolff
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SPEAKER_01: is a prime example of what it means to hold on to information and become part of the network.
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SPEAKER_02: And I worked for him for the last 50 years.
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SPEAKER_02: How much information have they held on to that?
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SPEAKER_02: We really don't have to be in this position.
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SPEAKER_02: If people had just had the courage to do what was necessary to stand up at
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SPEAKER_02: a microphone and out this
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: One of the ones that I had the biggest gripe with was John Bolton.
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SPEAKER_00: John Bolton not coming out as a witness during the first impeachment.
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SPEAKER_00: I mean, and holding for his fricking book.
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SPEAKER_00: I mean, when they talk about his prosecution, yeah, I feel bad for him.
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SPEAKER_00: It was it was retribution.
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SPEAKER_00: But for God's sakes, where was he when we needed him?
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SPEAKER_00: You know, like people like that.
53:44
SPEAKER_01: It's just so how is all of this experience helped drive your activism?
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SPEAKER_01: What has it done for you to activate the the need or want to
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SPEAKER_01: do this activism and this coalition building.
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SPEAKER_01: What has it inspired and why do you keep doing it right now?
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SPEAKER_00: you know
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SPEAKER_00: to me it's very like intuitive it's something like I don't even feel like I have
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SPEAKER_00: a choice it's that natural to me I don't know how not
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SPEAKER_00: to do this you know I tell my audience
54:18
SPEAKER_00: and sometimes my mother's like stop saying you don't want to do a podcast
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SPEAKER_00: because I tell my audience like I don't want to do a podcast I do it because I have
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SPEAKER_00: to do it
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SPEAKER_00: because like you need me here you know she's like stop telling your audience you
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SPEAKER_00: don't want to do but it's not that I love my audience I love
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SPEAKER_00: I love doing this work it's it's literally just that I don't feel it is
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SPEAKER_00: so I don't know how to be an American living in this situation
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SPEAKER_00: and not do this I mean for God's sakes we are flawed you talked about the history
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SPEAKER_00: of this nation how we have genocidal roots we have to come to terms with this
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SPEAKER_00: but somehow in spite of the very compromised white men that founded this country
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SPEAKER_00: In Spite Of That They Had A Vision For Democracy And Freedom That
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SPEAKER_00: The World Had Never Seen In Spite Of Their Deep Deep Flaws The Fact
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SPEAKER_00: That We Are 250 Years Into That And We Are Literally As You Guys Talked About
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SPEAKER_00: Before I Came On Living A Regression
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SPEAKER_00: a stripping away a return to genocidal roots to eugenics to three times
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SPEAKER_00: as many concentration camps in the United States in 2026 as there were
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SPEAKER_00: in Nazi Germany in 1939.
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SPEAKER_00: Like, how can you see this happening before our eyes and not
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SPEAKER_00: Fight With All You Have I Mean We're
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SPEAKER_00: The Ones We're Like This Isn't This Isn't Something I've Said In A Long Time
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SPEAKER_00: But I Used To Say This All The Time And I Mean This Is It Like We're The Ones
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SPEAKER_00: That Are Writing The History Of This Moment So Are We Going To Be Asleep At
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SPEAKER_00: The Wheel While Freedom On Earth Is Literally Burned
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SPEAKER_00: you know in a heap of no we have
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SPEAKER_00: to stand up I just don't know how I guess it's just just not
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SPEAKER_00: in me just like it wasn't in me even though I resisted it with every core
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SPEAKER_00: of my being to walk away from the injustice that I saw in the Trump campaign at
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SPEAKER_00: the end of the day it just wasn't in me and so I don't know how
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SPEAKER_00: to do I don't know how
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SPEAKER_02: to not do this I guess I found it very profound what you just said that
56:31
SPEAKER_02: and it's not just those of us that do these shows and
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SPEAKER_02: and it's it's it's everybody no matter what you do if you are doing something
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SPEAKER_02: that is progressing against this regime and this government and the choices and
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SPEAKER_02: the decisions that it's making you are helping to write this moment
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SPEAKER_02: that we are living in even in your small little corner of your neighborhood
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SPEAKER_02: you're helping to change the history of this country your vote will change
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SPEAKER_02: the history of this country everything we do and I know people lose sight
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SPEAKER_02: of us my vote it doesn't count there's so many people but every little thing does
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SPEAKER_02: that phone call to Congress the email to Congress the letter to Congress the talking
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SPEAKER_02: to your neighbor all these things that we consider
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SPEAKER_02: Like it's too much or we can't do that.
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SPEAKER_02: It's the can't that makes it hard,
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SPEAKER_02: but it's also the can't that is the reason why we do this, right?
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SPEAKER_02: It's the hardest why we do it.
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SPEAKER_02: And I would imagine that in every cycle of human history where there was
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SPEAKER_02: a revolution or a call to fight evil, it's the same conversation in human history of
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SPEAKER_02: There are people that need to stand up and face the moment
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SPEAKER_02: and true leadership means facing the moment in the band of fear in the guise
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SPEAKER_02: of fear that's when you see courage and who of our leadership is going to meet
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SPEAKER_02: that moment
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SPEAKER_01: and i think one of those people who's been meeting that moment for for years for
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SPEAKER_01: a decade and and longer is sitting right right with us is jessica here um
58:25
SPEAKER_01: and we we haven't gotten the time to get you i'm going to get you back for for more
58:31
SPEAKER_01: and maybe some other stuff because i would love to continue talking with you and
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SPEAKER_01: and hearing as much as you get into the removal coalition piece um
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SPEAKER_01: And this has been so fun.
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SPEAKER_01: And the reason I'm I'm hastening an end is because I actually have to I have to jump
58:48
SPEAKER_01: to another show that I'm going to be a guest on to speak about the Olmstead decision
58:53
SPEAKER_01: and and continue my work there is.
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SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna give Jessica here a chance to promote herself and the work
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SPEAKER_01: that she's doing because this has been a wonderful introduction I hope everyone in
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SPEAKER_01: the audience has had a really good introduction to Jessica today
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SPEAKER_01: if you hadn't met her before and so Jessica I'm gonna give you the floor again here
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SPEAKER_01: to promote yourself and the work that you're doing because I think it's amazing
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SPEAKER_01: the activism is really important the support
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SPEAKER_01: that we provide to Jessica and the activism she's doing is going to make a difference.
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SPEAKER_01: And so, Jessica, promote yourself, please.
59:38
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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SPEAKER_00: Well, first of all,
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SPEAKER_00: I want to tell you,
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SPEAKER_00: I'm going to,
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SPEAKER_00: as I promised to you,
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SPEAKER_00: I'm going to give my own personal pitch for the Olmstead decision tomorrow on Lights
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SPEAKER_00: On.
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SPEAKER_00: And because you have to run, Nick,
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SPEAKER_00: I'll save that personal story that I told you in text,
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SPEAKER_00: but tune in to Lights On tomorrow.
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SPEAKER_00: I'll tell it to the audience.
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SPEAKER_00: This is actually something that my family is very personal to my family.
1:00:00
SPEAKER_00: So I will definitely share that with my audience.
1:00:04
SPEAKER_00: What we have been doing,
1:00:05
SPEAKER_00: you want to talk about effective activism and another time we can talk
1:00:09
SPEAKER_00: about performative versus effective.
1:00:10
SPEAKER_00: This has been my pet peeve.
1:00:12
SPEAKER_00: This is why I formed the Removal Coalition because I knew that
1:00:15
SPEAKER_00: the activism space was lacking teeth.
1:00:18
SPEAKER_00: It was lacking a demand.
1:00:19
SPEAKER_00: I saw the mass mobilization of millions of people without a demand,
1:00:22
SPEAKER_00: without the leaders like Ezra and Leah of Indivisible and others using
1:00:28
SPEAKER_00: that opportunity
1:00:30
SPEAKER_00: to show that this country is demanding Trump and this regime's removal from office.
1:00:34
SPEAKER_00: So we started doing that.
1:00:36
SPEAKER_00: As a result of our movement,
1:00:38
SPEAKER_00: as a result of Remove the Regime,
1:00:39
SPEAKER_00: which is the movement I spearheaded with our coalition members and had tens
1:00:43
SPEAKER_00: of thousands of people in D.C.
1:00:44
SPEAKER_00: back in November after many lobbying trips to the Capitol before that,
1:00:50
SPEAKER_00: we got a 77 percent surge in support for impeachment.
1:00:54
SPEAKER_00: Anybody that tells you this cannot be done.
1:00:56
SPEAKER_00: It's impossible.
1:00:57
SPEAKER_00: We don't have the votes.
1:00:58
SPEAKER_00: They are literally throwing in the towel.
1:01:00
SPEAKER_00: They are literally giving cover to these feckless spineless cowards in Congress.
1:01:06
SPEAKER_00: Don't do it anymore.
1:01:07
SPEAKER_00: The way to get this done is by forced votes.
1:01:11
SPEAKER_00: We got a 77% surge from one vote to another.
1:01:15
SPEAKER_00: Imagine if these forced votes on impeachment were happening regularly.
1:01:20
SPEAKER_00: That Is What We Are Educating People About Right Now You Can Go To Remove
1:01:24
SPEAKER_00: The Regime Dot Com Please Follow Removal Coalition On Instagram
1:01:27
SPEAKER_00: And Blue Sky You'll See A Pinned Reel On There With The Dropkick Murphys
1:01:32
SPEAKER_00: And Many More Educating People About Rule Nine And The Power
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SPEAKER_00: That Literally Any Member Of Congress Even In The Minority Has Every Single Day That
1:01:40
SPEAKER_00: That House Is In Session
1:01:42
SPEAKER_00: This is what should be happening every day.
1:01:44
SPEAKER_00: No more endless diagnoses.
1:01:46
SPEAKER_00: Use the tools that you have.
1:01:47
SPEAKER_00: Honor your oath and your complicity in the bloody dismantling of American democracy.
1:01:52
SPEAKER_00: So that's number one.
1:01:53
SPEAKER_00: Please be involved in our work.
1:01:55
SPEAKER_00: It's laser focused.
1:01:56
SPEAKER_00: It's uncompromising.
1:01:58
SPEAKER_00: And that's where we are.
1:02:00
SPEAKER_00: We also have some major upcoming events.
1:02:03
SPEAKER_00: Please stay tuned.
1:02:04
SPEAKER_00: Something that has not been done in the resistance in this country
1:02:08
SPEAKER_00: under this illegal term is about to happen with the Removal Coalition next week.
1:02:13
SPEAKER_00: Big, big stuff.
1:02:13
SPEAKER_00: Please stay tuned.
1:02:15
SPEAKER_00: And then you can also,
1:02:16
SPEAKER_00: of course,
1:02:16
SPEAKER_00: watch my show Lights On with Jessica Denson every Friday at seven on YouTube,
1:02:22
SPEAKER_00: also throughout the week,
1:02:23
SPEAKER_00: sporadically when I can fit it in with all the activism going on in the background.
1:02:27
SPEAKER_00: That's my platform.
1:02:30
SPEAKER_00: That is the outlet for my activism.
1:02:33
SPEAKER_00: It is entirely remedy focused.
1:02:35
SPEAKER_00: It is not clickbait.
1:02:36
SPEAKER_00: It is not garbage.
1:02:37
SPEAKER_00: It is solution oriented, power oriented.
1:02:41
SPEAKER_00: And I come to you on that show for answers.
1:02:45
SPEAKER_00: So join me there on Lights On on Friday.
1:02:48
SPEAKER_01: thank you so much Jessica this has been so good
1:02:51
SPEAKER_02: to talk I'm like I'm like blown away right now I'm like I can't even Nick you can
1:02:55
SPEAKER_02: see my promo I don't need to do it I don't want
1:02:57
SPEAKER_02: to take any Jessica's thunder away I'm going to just promo
1:03:00
SPEAKER_01: for you I'm just doing this I'm going
1:03:02
SPEAKER_02: to do my normal just suck less promo you can find me on Substack here Dr.
1:03:07
SPEAKER_02: Lulove and on Blue Ant Media I write on healthcare policy
1:03:12
SPEAKER_02: and health politics Nick all yours
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SPEAKER_01: Thanks brother and I'll do mine too is also just suck less with Sick
1:03:20
SPEAKER_01: of this Shit Publications be a better human be a better person help yourself learn
1:03:25
SPEAKER_01: and grow because now you know so you can grow
1:03:28
SPEAKER_01: and come join us.
1:03:29
SPEAKER_01: Come join Eric.
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SPEAKER_01: Come join Jessica.
1:03:32
SPEAKER_01: I'm going to be hopping on to another live here in a couple moments to discuss
1:03:36
SPEAKER_01: the removal or discuss the Olmstead decision.
1:03:40
SPEAKER_01: But please come support where you can for any of our publications.
1:03:43
SPEAKER_01: It really helps all of us.
1:03:45
SPEAKER_01: It helps get our messages out.
1:03:47
SPEAKER_01: It helps get your messages out and the things that you need.
1:03:50
SPEAKER_01: So please, thank you, everyone.
1:03:53
SPEAKER_01: Love and respect to all of you, Jessica.
1:03:55
SPEAKER_01: Thank you so much for being on today.
1:03:58
SPEAKER_01: Thank you for making so much time for us.
1:04:01
SPEAKER_01: All of everyone in the audience, as we always say, we're done being sick of this shit.
1:04:06
SPEAKER_01: So now we're doing this shit.
1:04:08
SPEAKER_01: Thanks, everyone.
1:04:08
SPEAKER_01: Have a great afternoon.