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STSE# 67: Useful Tricks/Cues · Sometimes There's Side Eye

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Welcome to Sometimes There's Side Eye, a podcast about two
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friends having real and unfiltered conversations about
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dogs and people listen as we talk about our lives with dogs,
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training, behavior, share some laughs and a whole lot of
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banter. I'm Heather.
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And I'm Christy. What are we talking about this
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week, Christy? We're going to talk about
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training useful tricks or and or our favorite.
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Tricks and or I feel like and or our favorite tricks.
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Yeah, and or. OK, so basically tricks.
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Tricks, well, like a treat. Well, I think you also probably
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mean cues, not necessarily tricks, because my first example
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is a cue more than like a trick. Explain what a cue is versus a
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trick. A cue is like asking your dog to
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sit versus asking your dog to shake.
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Oh. To me a cue is like something
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that is for a certain purpose, whereas trick is like oh that's
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cute. Yeah.
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What do you think? Yeah, I feel like the layman's
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term is trick. Oh, that's interesting.
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OK, well, like most. People, not maybe not even, but
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I think, yeah, I think most people, most dog owners kind of
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lump it all together as a trick. I don't.
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Oh, my dog knows these tricks. If you say what tricks do your
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dog know, people will say, oh, lay down, sit, shake, roll over.
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Interesting. And I'm just trying to think
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about like all my puppy clients and I'm like, I don't think
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anyone's like said to me. Oh, I want to teach them these
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tricks. I think they more so say I want
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to teach them how to sit, how to lay down, and they've more so
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used the word commands, which I think that that like in the dog
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training world, we're really trying to step away from using
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the word command versus Q because Q feels like more like a
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partnership versus command is like, I demand you do this
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thing, which I I use both still, but I prefer if I can remember
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to use the word. Qi like that?
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Yeah, I don't think I've ever used that term.
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Q. Yeah, no, I've valid early,
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never used it. So very interesting.
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Now I want to rewind all our episodes and see if you are used
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to. Maybe after I said it, you've
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said. It No, I don't think I've ever
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used it. All right, fair enough.
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OK, Well, I. Am going to show you one of our
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well maybe one of our lists and nurse will tell us they're.
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Gonna call you up. Be like Christy in episode 13
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minute 1 and 36 seconds you said Q Yes, I could check the
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transcripts. OK.
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You were saying so. When I was thinking about this
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episode, I was thinking, OK, what are the my favorite things
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that I pretty much teach all of my dogs, like my personal dogs.
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And to me, the number one my favorite things that I teach my
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dogs is the name of different rooms in my house.
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Oh. Yes.
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And I, the number one room that I use is office in our home.
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And this could be different like depending on where we live and
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what our household is set up like.
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But in this house, the number one word that I use for a room
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that they learn is office because I work in my office, I
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podcast in the office. I do so many things in our
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office. And so I remember very clearly
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the first time that I said to Trin, go to the office and she
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like got up off her spot and went into the office and she
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understood the word, yeah. So I my favorite thing and very,
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very useful thing is to absolutely teach them rooms in
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our house. You don't teach.
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Rooms. No, I don't.
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I've never taught rooms. Whoa, yeah.
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Why would that be all? I mean, I, I'll say like, let's
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go to bed. The dog typically knows like I'm
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heading to my bedroom. OK.
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But but that is at night. Like that's very specific.
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Like I'm never saying let's go to bed and asking the dog just
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to go to my. Room.
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I wonder what Jackson would do if right now you asked him to go
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to bed. I'm gonna be honest, Jackson
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sometimes waits because he also knows that I am somebody who
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thinks I'm going to bed but then remembers 15 other things that I
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need to do in the kitchen and I keep making trucks back out.
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So sometimes he just waits on the couch for an extended period
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of time and is like, oh, now I think she's seriously going in
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so. Then is he just following you or
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is he actually understanding what go to bed means?
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I think he gets it, but he's like, it's gonna be a minute.
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She intends to go to bed, but she's not gonna go to bed right
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now. Like he needs the other context
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to be with it for him to believe you.
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Yeah, yeah. Whereas if I this just happened
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like last week when you were sending me topics, this
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literally happened like right that day.
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And I was like, Oh yeah. So I let the dogs out of the dog
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room because they had eaten breakfast.
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I, it was a work day. And so they're running from the
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dog room in the front of the house to go to the back of the
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house where the living room and to go outside is.
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And halfway there is the office. And so I let all the dogs out, I
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let Trin out last and I she goes running.
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She's halfway through the living room and I say office.
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And she literally did a 180° turn and came into the office.
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Like it is a actual cue that she understands exactly what it
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means. Yeah, but I also don't think I
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have a need for that in my life. Which is that?
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Ever taught it? Because I don't care if Jackson
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comes to the office with me. I mean, I prefer, obviously, to
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have him be my little office assistant during the day, but
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he's not required to. He can stay on the couch or he
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can go outside. He has free access, so it
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doesn't matter. Like if I'm going to my office,
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sometimes he'll follow me in and just hang out with me, but we
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don't have a command for it 'cause he doesn't have to.
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That's very interesting and I'm just sitting here trying to
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think at what point in my dog ownership journey did I start
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teaching rooms? Yeah.
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Like, was that I OK? I'm gonna hazard a guess that
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that started because we had separation between two dogs.
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So I'm gonna say that that is why that started and how it
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started. And then it was something that I
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find very useful. So I kept, I kept with it, and
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it is very useful. You know what else?
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I'm just sitting here realizing I don't teach it formally.
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Yeah. It's just like one of those
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things that, yeah, that that because I say to a new puppy,
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let's go to the office and like they learn the connotation.
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And also I'm just realizing that they also generally train in the
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office. So it is a very positively
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reinforced room in my house. And so it probably gets
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reinforced just by chance. And then they make the connect.
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God, ducks are so smart. So smart.
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What do you call the other rooms in your house?
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Like do you call it the dog room?
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Well, we would say go to your beds, which means go, which
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means go to your dog room, go to the dog room outside is
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obviously outside, inside inside.
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And then if I don't, we don't really queue for them to go to
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our room like our bedroom. But if I was, say, for example,
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I was in our bedroom and Jer was out somewhere in the house and I
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wanted somebody to go wherever he is, then in that case I would
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say go find Daddy. Right.
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Yes. Uh huh.
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And they know that means, like, go find him, Yeah.
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Yeah, when I lived with my brother, I would ask Lucy, like,
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where's Bob? Yes.
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I wouldn't say go to the living room like I, we don't, there's
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no connection to that. I don't.
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I think if I said go to the living room, they'd look at me
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like what? What the fuck are you talking
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about? What's?
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Happening it really. Like office really is the number
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one thing, and then like the dog room just by default because
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that's where their crates are. Yeah, yeah.
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And Jackson's crate is in my living room, so she knows
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kennel, so he'll go in there. But.
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Yeah. So what is a favorite cure, a
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most useful cue or trick that you teach?
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I have. A few but go around is one of my
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God it's. Such a good one.
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It's you do not know how useful that cue is until you teach it,
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and then once you've taught it to one dog, you'll never not
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teach it. Oh my God you're so right.
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And the way they generalize that cue is like mind blowing to me.
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Yes, give some examples. So on leash I do long line lead
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walks with Jackson and there's a lot of ways to get tangled up in
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the. Long line, yes. 11 is to like he
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often will go on the other side of a tree or a light post or
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whatever and I just tell him go around and if he starts to come
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the wrong direction to spin another circle around.
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I say Nope, stop, go around and he he watches which way my hand
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goes to to see which around I want and he and then he just
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goes around and untangles himself.
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Yep, and it is so. Useful.
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It is so freaking useful and I find it the most useful for me
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personally with bigger dogs. So like Tiago?
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Well, I mean, okay, Mr. Perfect, it's so useful.
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I'll be sitting on the couch. I sit on the end of the couch a
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lot of times and then there's an Ottoman there.
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And so if Bulldog is sitting with me, I don't want Thiago to
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like jump up and accidentally step on Bulldog.
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So I will tell him go around, which basically means go to the
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other side of the eye, like go to the other side of the Ottoman
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and come from that side and he will generalize that.
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Same with the tree thing. We're out on a walk, whatever,
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go around, super useful. I oh, it's such that that is
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such a good one, and it's so easy to teach.
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It is so easy to teach and it people are very impressed with
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it if you just. Pull it out of.
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Your hat, which is fun and I think because I like it so much,
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I like really reward for it. So dogs tend to catch on pretty
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quickly to it like this is a high value one.
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Like we're going to get all the treats for if we figure this one
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out. Yes, and I OK, so Tiago's 8 1/2.
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I probably honestly haven't rewarded him for go around in
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years and it's still there. Like it's still there.
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Well, I mean, 'cause I'm sitting on the couch when I use it most
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of the time and like I don't get up, get a cookie.
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You know that whole well. His reward is getting to sit
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next to you. Well, that's.
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True and and not getting grumpist.
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Right from the Bulldog, yeah. Go around makes me also think of
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another one that I teach big dogs like pretty much just our
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Rottweilers I've ever taught, which is move.
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Oh, so in our house, move basically means wherever you
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are, whatever you are doing, you are in the way move your body.
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And we don't actively teach it, just like office, I don't
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actively teach it. I will just say when they're
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younger, move and maybe like give a little spatial reference
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to like get them to move their body.
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And then it's it's something that just automatically sticks.
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And with Tiago, like we use it mostly in the kitchen because
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we're cooking. He wants to be there.
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He's a big dog. And so I'll just say move.
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And somehow he just like knows which way to go and what to do
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and like gets out of the way. And it's a very useful tool for
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a big dog. It is super useful.
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I think another useful one is touch, which I didn't think was
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such a big deal, but it's so useful in maneuvering a dog's
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body. If like you're going to the vet
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and your dog's like, I don't want to step on the scale or I
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don't get it. Like why are you putting me in
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this corner? If you can just pull out your
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hand and be like touch and your dog will generally step up on
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the scale and then yes, allow just to be fed or if you you
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extend that touch, any of that, but it's just very useful to
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maneuver bodies. Yes, I would say too, I am
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careful about how I use touch or if I'm using it in a scenario
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that is more high stress for them.
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I am heavily rewarding the use of touch because for the very
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reason you said, like it's such a great tool in so many
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different ways, but I don't ever want to be layered with them
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being uncomfortable and associating that together.
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So even a dog like Thiago, like if I'm somewhere outside of our
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house and I ask him to touch, I'm gonna reward that because
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it's something I use out in the wild.
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So to. Speak absolutely.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's a good catch.
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Like, I don't mean like if your dog is stressed about, yes,
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standing on the scale, use touch to force them into it.
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But a lot of times the scales are kind of in the corner and
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the dog's like, why are you pressuring me into this where it
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can be a pressure free? Oh, you're not scared of the
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scale? Just come over here and stand in
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this spot. And then it's like, oh, OK, I
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touched and now I got. A treat, I totally agree.
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I love that. Yeah, please don't do it when
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your vet is doing uncomfortable things or giving shots or like
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if, if it's over the top for your dog, like don't don't pair
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that, Yeah. Something that I taught Tiago
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for showing that has been incredibly useful for the rest
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of his life is to show his teeth.
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Yeah. And I, I mean here again, like I
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think it helps because he is a bigger dog, he's stronger, but
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from a stress standpoint, it's so awesome.
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And so for anybody who doesn't know, when you're showing your
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dog in confirmation, depending on their breed, they have
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different ways that they have to show their bite to make sure
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they have correct dentition. And so for Rottweilers, you have
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to lift their lips on both sides of their mouth so they can see
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how their teeth are. And then also they have to open
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their full mouth. And so with Thiago, I just
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taught him like teeth, teeth, which is like one side, the
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other side and then open. And I that was highly reinforced
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as a puppy when people came to visit him as a puppy, I would
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have, I would joke anybody who comes to visit him as a puppy
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has to ask him for his bite and touch his balls because that was
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stuff that strangers were going to.
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Do to him in the shower nothing yes that just in case you're
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wondering why yeah she has people touching his balls it's
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like for the show ring yes. Yeah, for the show ring.
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And so it was the benefit of him getting touched in different
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ways by all different people that when he went into the show
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ring, it was no big deal. And but now, you know, he hasn't
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shown since he was two years old.
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And every time we go to the vet and they're like, oh, let me
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check his mouth, check his gums, whatever.
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I can literally just do his teeth, teeth open.
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And it is so useful. Yeah, you don't think about
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that. But yeah, that is a useful
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trick. I think I'm gonna teach checks
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on that. I think you should.
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And it's, I would not call that cooperative care because it I,
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I'm not asking him to opt in, but I am giving him very clear
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expectations when I hold his head in a certain way and say
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teeth, he knows exactly what's going to happen and he knows
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he's going to be rewarded for it, right?
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So I'm not getting giving him the chance to like opt out, but
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also like, I suppose it is cooperative in that he has very
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set expectations and he's OK with it because he's been
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rewarded for it. Well, what do we say about
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cooperative care? We only provide that when they
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have an option to actually. Opt out.
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So it's not cooperative care, but sometimes the kind of thing
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we can do is give clear instructions and just give a dog
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what to expect. Yep there are times where them
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showing their teeth, opening their mouth it it's a non
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negotiable because maybe they have a broken tooth.
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They you are checking their gums for color.
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I mean, it could be so many different reasons that you would
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do that. And it's going to be so much
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less aversive than having a stranger reach in there and pry
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their mouth open and look in there to just be able to do it
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on their own and then get treats for.
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Yeah, for sure. Yeah.
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Something that I did as with Thiago as a young dog because he
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was very boisterous. I use it less now, but it will
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come out sometimes is too much so.
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You do. You do say that to him, Yeah.
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And it's interesting because I will say it with different
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inflections and the inflection tells him how too much he is
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being. So for example, you're sitting
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on the sofa and he runs over and pounces on you.
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I will say to him, dude, too much.
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And it's just like you're, you are way over the top here.
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You need to take it down a notch.
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And if it is really bad, I'll be like Tiago too much.
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And the inflection is very. Thick And I've also seen you say
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it when he's playing with other dogs.
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You're like, oh. Yeah, too much.
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That's true. I do use it to guide him.
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Yeah, like you're, it's like a happy, like gentle, but it is
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like a OK, you can keep playing, but too much like yeah.
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Take it down the notch. Yeah.
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Yeah. I was thinking about it the
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other day because when I used to run agility with my Lucy, I
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taught her whoa. And so when we were doing, we
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did running contacts and when we were doing contacts, then when
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she was, she would get a little wild sometimes on the dog walk
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and I would tell her whoa, which just meant like, slow down, you
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know? And Trin was running for the
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back door and it wasn't open and I was like, bitches going head
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first. She's taken a header.
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And I, the word that came out was whoa.
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And it made me laugh because I thought, oh, I probably do need
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to teach her. Whoa.
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Probably. But it made me think about how I
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say to Tiago too much. I love it for Jackson.
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My favorite new trick that I've taught him, that I haven't
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taught other dogs is can you get that for me?
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Oh. Because Jackson, if you don't
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know, everyone should know by this point.
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But if you don't know, when he came to me, he was a thief and
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he would steal everything. And it was incredibly
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frustrating. And as we've continued, he he's
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outgrown some of that, but he still loves to pick things up
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and then see if I'm going to be mad about it.
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And like how mad are we play mad or are we are we real mad about
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it is? It a poisonous toad or is it a
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sock? Right, right.
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Yeah, because he likes to bring them both to me.
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So now if I drop something in my kitchen or in anywhere in my
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house, honestly, I'll just look at him and he's like ready to
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go. He's like, I'm going to pick
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that up. I'll just say, hey, can you get
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that for me? And he does.
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And then he wants to run away, but I'll just put my hand out
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and say hand. And he puts it in my hand and
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then he gets well rewarded for it.
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And so it's been useful, honestly, sometimes, like if my
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back is really. Hurting and I drop.
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Something I'm like, oh, I could you get this for me?
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I freaking love that. That is such a good one.
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And I love that you took something that was natural for
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him but like naturally naughty, and turned it into a positive
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cue. Yeah, yeah.
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I have a friend who always teaches her Rottweilers to pick
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things up and they always get paid.
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And I have can vividly remember smiling, like reading a post
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about her saying today I got paid $0.67.
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Or like, like the dog had found coins and picked them all up in
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his mouth and brought them to her.
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And she was like, yeah, yeah, that's really cute.
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I taught. Trin knows.
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Bring it with you. So she is.
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There are a lot of similarities between her and our Pitbull
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Lucy. We are realizing more and more
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which could be good or could be bad.
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But. We see a lot of similarities in
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their personality. And the first dog I ever taught
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Take It with You too, was Lucy, because she was a big chewer.
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And then she also would was separated.
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So like, she would go into the bedroom.
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So say she was in the living room, she's chewing on a bone
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and she needed to go away. I would say to her, Take it with
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you. And she would grab the bone and
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carry it to wherever she was going.
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And so, yeah. And so Trin is like a chewer
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like that. Like, she loves to chew on a
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bone. She's always chewing on a bone.
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Yeah, she's a huge chewer. So she'll be laying maybe on the
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Ottoman chewing on a bone. I want to go say the office.
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I'll say to her, let's go to the office, take it with you.
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And she will grab that bone and she will go in the office with
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it. And it's very useful.
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Yeah, that's great. Yeah, I really like that one.
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There again not. That is also not a cue that I
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teach formally. Yeah.
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It's just like something that I say and they'd pick it up.
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They pick up on it, Yeah. And I do think a lot of cues and
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tricks are that way. Obviously the formal sit, you
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know, lay down, shake, whatever high 5, all of those things, a
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lot of those unnatural actually a lot of them are natural
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behaviors, but we want them at unnatural times.
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When we want them, yes. So a lot of the things that
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we're talking about are natural occurrences.
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But we're. Just going off of something that
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was naturally happening anyway and putting a cue on it.
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Yeah, just. And so then it's informal, but I
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feel like that that's a great way to train too.
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Oh, I totally agree. I totally agree.
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I also think I don't. I mean, I don't know about you,
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but I talk to my dogs all the time.
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Like I'm constantly narrating for them and talking to them,
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you know, and I'm home during the day, like working from home.
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So I've just blah, blah, blah, like muttering to them.
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Who knows? But I also think that that's why
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my dogs like learn a lot of different cues because I'm
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constantly like talking to them and then they just pick up on
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the repetitiveness of certain things based on the context that
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it's set in. And then and I think that that
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makes my dogs way easier to live with.
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Yeah, don't you think? I do, yeah.
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Dogs are so good at picking up on context.
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Oh yeah. Like, my dog understands that if
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I have jeans on and a nice shirt, we're not headed out for
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a walk, even though I'm putting on shoes.
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Yes, But like, if I look slubby and like, then my hair's in a
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ponytail, he's like, which shoes are you putting on?
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Yes. And then totally.
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And sometimes, like today I had to tell him it's not what you
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think, which is our like, that's our informal like that's not
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happening because I put on shoes to to take out the trash.
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And he got super excited and I was like, oh, I see, yes, all
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the context clues are there, but it's not what you think.
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And then he was like, oh, OK, not what I think.
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I like that one. It's not what you think.
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That's cool, yeah. That's just what happens.
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Like you just have conversations and then what you usually say.
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I I think that's why I also like the informal because you don't
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have to think about what you're saying.
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It's what naturally comes out and then that naturally happens
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repetitively. So your dog picks up on.
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Yeah, I was thinking about Cash because he was.
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So Cash was the most time sensitive dog I have ever lived
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with in that he had an internal clock that was incredible.
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And he was the smartest dog I've ever owned in picking up on
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context clues to the point that Jared and I never figured out
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how he knew when we were leaving.
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It was like we didn't even get off the couch.
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We didn't even move. We just had the thought that we
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were going to go somewhere, right?
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And Cash was already in his kennel.
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Oh, OK, You guys are leaving. We never ever figured out other
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than this dog clearly reads our mind, right?
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What how he ever knew because it wasn't he did it every single
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time like it wasn't OK. You can figure out schedules.
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That's very easy. You can figure out even that.
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Oh, well, when we, when we usually get ready to go to the
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car at 5:00, we're going out to dinner, we're leaving.
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Oh, you can put on your shoes and whatever, you know, but
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literally, we would be sitting on the couch and and just ran.
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Do you want to go get ice cream? He'd be standing in his crate
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like, hey, guys, I know you're leaving, so I'm here to wait,
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waiting for you. It was.
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He was incredible that way. Yeah.
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Yeah. I had my well, Lizzie was that
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way with a bath. If you started thinking like,
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oh, she's kind of stinky, three days before you would give her a
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bath, she was avoiding, you know, she was avoiding going
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anywhere near the bathroom. If she thought you were bending
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down to get hurt, she was avoiding your hands.
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She. And we're like, how does she
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know? Like we haven't even said out
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loud that she's stinky. Yes, we said it in the car.
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Yeah. Not even at the house.
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Yeah. Or if she's getting stinky, we
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should give her a bath. And she's like, so I heard you
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in my mind's eye talking in the car about me being stinky and I
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will avoid. You, I heard through my
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telepathic brain that you're thinking about a bath.
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I don't. That's crazy to me.
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And then that just makes me think how smart dogs are in ways
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that we cannot even comprehend, right?
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Yeah. Yeah, which means you can
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literally teach them anything. Right.
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So find figure out like what is useful for you, yes and teach
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it. Yeah, or if something like
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Christy did, there's a behavior that's a problem with your dog,
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but they're naturally inclined to do it.
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Is there a way for you to flip that script and turn it into a
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useful cue or a game so that is no longer a problem and instead
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a positive experience? Because that is so.
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That's freaking cool. Yeah.
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Also, if you just like cute tricks, that's OK too.
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Like, yeah. My.
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Favorite trick with Lucy was not useful.
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It was sit pretty and it was a show stopper and she looked
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freaking adorable. Oh my gosh, literally Tiago's
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number one trick for everyone is relax.
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Which basically just means him laying flat on his side on the
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ground. Talk about a show stopper.
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And it has No. I mean, I guess technically it's
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useful. I didn't train it to be useful.
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I trained it because I literally thought it was funny and ended
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up teaching it to pilot the Stafford first as a puppy and
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then when he started doing it and looks like he's in rigor
30:13
mortis when he lays. Down it was so.
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Hysterical because he keeps his legs stiff.
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I thought it. Yeah.
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We thought it was so funny that I started teaching it to all the
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dogs because I just thought, oh, that's hilarious.
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Yeah. Yeah, I agree with you.
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Just think of something fun to teach your dog, or something
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useful either way, or maybe one of each, and then have fun with
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your dog. And I think your dog will
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appreciate it 'cause they're getting treats.
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So, and they're spending time with you.
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