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How To Live Deliciously ft. Florence Given ✨PART 2 · Two Broke Chicks

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  Speaker 1: This podcast is recorded on gadigal Land Always was, always
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  Speaker 1: will be Aboriginal Land. Hay jis, I'm out and and
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  Speaker 1: this is Two Roat Chicks, the show that shares life
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  Speaker 1: lessons and tips to make you rich in life. And
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  Speaker 1: welcome to part two of How to Live Deliciously with
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  Speaker 1: Florence Given. We had so much fun chatting to her
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  Speaker 1: that we've done this in two parts, So if you
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  Speaker 1: haven't listened to part one, go back and give last
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  Speaker 1: week's episode a listen. And yeah, let's get into the episode.
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  Speaker 2: Let's go. There's still so.
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  Speaker 1: Much development in someone in their soul and their mind
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  Speaker 1: and their belief and their decisions. Between twenty and.
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  Speaker 3: Like the rest of your life, it's like you go
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  Speaker 3: through a.
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  Speaker 1: Second pubity, you know. And that's the thing I think
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  Speaker 1: a well, like Pully, like twenty year old Alex, she's baby.
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  Speaker 1: I just want to put her on my lap and
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  Speaker 1: like give her a cuddle and be like, don't worry,
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  Speaker 1: you don't know anything, and that's okay. And I think
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  Speaker 1: the thing that makes me so maybe stressed isn't the
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  Speaker 1: right word, but the thing I think about as well
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  Speaker 1: now is obviously, you know, when we were younger, we
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  Speaker 1: had a lot of things in media that makes it
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  Speaker 1: very confusing, but even still now and I think it's
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  Speaker 1: quite disguised, because I would love your opinion on the
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  Speaker 1: whole that girl trend and clean girl trend and vanilla
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  Speaker 1: girl and tomato girl and fucking potato girl and tomato girl.
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  Speaker 1: There's a tomato girl. I had a full thirty minute
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  Speaker 1: rant about it on the net. She's in sucking Europe
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  Speaker 1: and she's wearing linen and she has a headscarfhone, And
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, she's just in Europe. And then I saw
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  Speaker 1: recently now this Arabella girl and it's just leopard print,
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  Speaker 1: like leopard jackets and red.
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  Speaker 2: But anyway, what do you what do you think?
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  Speaker 4: I'll be honest, I'm not that TikTok. I'm assuming most
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  Speaker 4: of this is on TikTok.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, app is so good.
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  Speaker 4: I have to stay away from it because right it's
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  Speaker 4: so it's like the best television you could ask for.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, because it will feed you everything you interact with everything.
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  Speaker 4: I would I would use to use it, like if
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  Speaker 4: I was looking for a sign from the universe, it
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  Speaker 4: would open TikTok and there would be like some woeman
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  Speaker 4: like this is for you. It's it's such a good
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  Speaker 4: it's it's such a good app that I have to
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  Speaker 4: stay away from it. So I don't know much about
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  Speaker 4: what the names or the trends are. And I imagine
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  Speaker 4: if I was absorbing all of that constantly, I would
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  Speaker 4: be influenced by it, and it's I was actually thinking
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  Speaker 4: this morning about how how wild it is that something
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  Speaker 4: can be so addictive like an app, that you have
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  Speaker 4: to have very strict boundaries with it. Like I can't
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  Speaker 4: have bram or TikTok on my phone in the middle
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  Speaker 4: of the day. I only have it on my phone
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  Speaker 4: when I'm posting or in the evening if I want
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  Speaker 4: to check my mess It's a lot harder at the
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  Speaker 4: moment because I'm promoting the book, so I have lots
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  Speaker 4: of drafts and safe But what do I.
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  Speaker 2: Think about that stuff? I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: I think it's because I'm not absorbed in it and
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  Speaker 4: it's not affecting me. I can almost look at it
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  Speaker 4: in this like this very lighthearted way, right because I've
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  Speaker 4: not been so heavily affected by it, And the way
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  Speaker 4: I'm saying it is like we all used to belong
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  Speaker 4: to tribes, right, like, and I feel like maybe we
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  Speaker 4: just have this ancient ache to just belong to a
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  Speaker 4: group of people and signal that belonging to others, and
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  Speaker 4: we perhaps grab those like those physical things, so like
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  Speaker 4: the match of the yoga class or or the lepoprint
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  Speaker 4: coat and the red lipstick or whatever you just said,
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  Speaker 4: we project those images to signal what cult we belong to, right, like,
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  Speaker 4: like what tribe, who we are? That's even like I
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  Speaker 4: used to wear band t shirts to like signal to
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  Speaker 4: people like that what kind of music I liked? Right
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  Speaker 4: And this is perhaps just the extreme modern manifestation of
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  Speaker 4: thus needing to signal to people who we are and
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  Speaker 4: what we're a part of. But that doesn't mean it's authentic,
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  Speaker 4: you know.
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  Speaker 2: So you can wear all the.
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  Speaker 4: Things, you can do all of the things, but that
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  Speaker 4: actually doesn't say anything about your values. And I make
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  Speaker 4: some wisdom that's coming through for me right now at
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  Speaker 4: this stage of my life is that I no longer
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  Speaker 4: want to It was a very immature thing I think
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  Speaker 4: I did, and I think a lot of people still
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  Speaker 4: do in life, is to think that you can find
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  Speaker 4: your quote unquote crime, but you can find your people
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  Speaker 4: or your your cult, whatever you can find your people
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  Speaker 4: by just sharing aesthetics and interests. And something I'm a
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  Speaker 4: lot more trying to pursue my life at the moment
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  Speaker 4: is values based friendships and connections. And I think, like
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  Speaker 4: we were saying earlier, like values like curiosity or courage,
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  Speaker 4: or gratitude or a deep appreciation for life. You can
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  Speaker 4: meet those people and they're probably going to be really
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  Speaker 4: long fulfilling friendships because you have shared values instead of
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  Speaker 4: associating with those like those physical those material things.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: I think we all want to belong and it's so human,
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  Speaker 4: like I want to belong. Everyone wants to belong because
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  Speaker 4: it's this, it's an ancient ache we have. We don't
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  Speaker 4: want to be isolated from the tribe, and so I
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  Speaker 4: think we do what we want to fit in. And
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  Speaker 4: if there is a new trend like clean girl trend
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  Speaker 4: or tomato girl trend or.
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  Speaker 1: Something, I think it is rooted in wanting to belong.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's the rapid, rapidly changing nature of an
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  Speaker 1: it girl that is the issue. And like that's but
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  Speaker 1: again it's still rooted in that I don't want to
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  Speaker 1: be different, I don't want to stand out. I don't
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  Speaker 1: want to be cringed or embarrassing or a loser. And
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  Speaker 1: that's when like you're not authentically being yourself. So there's
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  Speaker 1: absolutely nothing wrong with belonging to something, and that's always
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  Speaker 1: something that we've said. But if you feel like you
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  Speaker 1: need to change who you are in order to fit in,
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  Speaker 1: that's when you're like brushing the hair the wrong way.
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  Speaker 4: It is lonely to be authentic, though you have in
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  Speaker 4: my experience, you have fewer friends, or at least you
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  Speaker 4: go through periods especially you have fewer friends.
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  Speaker 2: I've belonged to groups of people before.
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  Speaker 4: Based on the interests, based on the the.
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  Speaker 2: Shared music in trant or whatever anything shared interests.
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  Speaker 4: And it doesn't actually it's almost like a surface level
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  Speaker 4: of belonging, and if you kind of go against those values,
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  Speaker 4: you can be isolated from it. If I don't know,
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  Speaker 4: I'm just I'm in.
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  Speaker 2: This really, really really beautiful.
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  Speaker 4: Seas of my life where I'm intentionally valuing authenticity and
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  Speaker 4: it is a lonely place to be at times, and
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  Speaker 4: I know that it's going to be completely fucking.
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  Speaker 2: Worth it in the long run, because I get depressed
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  Speaker 2: when I'm not myself.
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  Speaker 4: I get depressed and really fucking low when I'm not
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  Speaker 4: being floss, when I have to suppress my joy and
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  Speaker 4: my delight and what I actually think and feel about things.
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  Speaker 4: When I feel like something is wrong, or when I
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  Speaker 4: want to say something and I feel if I can't
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  Speaker 4: do that, it manifests as illness in my body. I
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  Speaker 4: feel really low, I've become anxious, I've become stressed. There
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  Speaker 4: was an amazing book I read a couple of years
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  Speaker 4: ago that really helped me through this period of my life.
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  Speaker 4: It was called The Way of Integrity by Martha Beck,
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  Speaker 4: and she talks about the connection between authenticity and physical illness,
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  Speaker 4: and it would just basically described everything that I was
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  Speaker 4: experiencing in my life, where when we get pulled away
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  Speaker 4: from our true nature to try and belong to other
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  Speaker 4: groups of people or what society wants from us, it
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  Speaker 4: creates resentment, and it manifests physically, and it manifests in
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  Speaker 4: all of these other horrendous ways. And basically, in my
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  Speaker 4: experience my life completely body slammed me back into authenticity.
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  Speaker 4: Body fucking slammed like slipped a disc in my spine
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  Speaker 4: years ago, couldn't work, I couldn't do anything that I
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  Speaker 4: had identified with. And then that's why I was like, Okay,
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  Speaker 4: I'm going to take two years off. I'm no more
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  Speaker 4: Florence givening. I'm not going to do anything. And then
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  Speaker 4: I realized, because I love what I do, I was
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  Speaker 4: doing it wrong. I was doing it almost like a
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  Speaker 4: keeping up of this, like sustaining this expired identity on
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  Speaker 4: fucking life support.
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  Speaker 2: When I could just be myself, I could just be myself.
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  Speaker 4: And trust that that is beautiful and that that is
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  Speaker 4: worth sharing, and that I would just become more frazzled
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  Speaker 4: and anxious and scouer and if I didn't have courage
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  Speaker 4: to become the present person that I am.
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  Speaker 3: I was having a conversation with a friend earlier this week,
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  Speaker 3: and I was saying to him that sometimes life pulls
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  Speaker 3: the breakup for you and will physically stop you if
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  Speaker 3: you don't stop yourself from whatever it is that is
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  Speaker 3: stopping you from living authentically. And it sounds like that's
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  Speaker 3: the experience that you had, and I think that's incredibly relatable.
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  Speaker 1: But I want to.
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  Speaker 3: Switch gears slightly because you share a quote in the
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  Speaker 3: book that I loved, which is joy can only exist
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  Speaker 3: when there is a gap in the stream of your thoughts,
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  Speaker 3: and I want to know how can we create these
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  Speaker 3: gaps so we can prioritize joy and fun.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, that quote is by Akhatole. Have you read The
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  Speaker 2: Power of Now? No?
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  Speaker 3: But I saw it in your book and I was like,
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  Speaker 3: I need to add it to the reading list.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that was his quote. Joy can only
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  Speaker 2: exist when there is a gap in the stream of
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  Speaker 2: your thoughts.
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  Speaker 4: And I hadn't left room in my life for a
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  Speaker 4: single fucking gap. Every gap filled if it wasn't something
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  Speaker 4: on the to do list, it was a TikTok I
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  Speaker 4: was filling the gap with It was even like just
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  Speaker 4: I could go on a walk, I could go on
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  Speaker 4: my mindful walk in the trees, and my head is
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  Speaker 4: still being filled with what I need to do in
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  Speaker 4: an hour.
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  Speaker 2: But you know what that quote, because people read that book.
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  Speaker 4: And have their lives completely flipped upside fucking down. And
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  Speaker 4: it's funny that that quote in particular really gave the
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  Speaker 4: language to something I've experienced my whole life. Remember I
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  Speaker 4: told you at the beginning, I've always felt so much joy,
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  Speaker 4: And it almost felt illegal because it's so simple.
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  Speaker 2: It was like, surely not, surely, I cannot.
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  Speaker 4: Experience so much joy right now, just from the sun
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  Speaker 4: shining on my face. And that's what capitalism does to us,
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  Speaker 4: because we're taught to go out and grab things and
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  Speaker 4: pursue things and chase things. That if you have this
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  Speaker 4: like beautiful or inspiring experience without any of that, you're
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  Speaker 4: like you can almost dismiss it or somehow feel like
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  Speaker 4: it's not enough.
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  Speaker 2: But they are enough.
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  Speaker 4: And that quote joy can only exist when there is
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  Speaker 4: a gap in the stream.
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  Speaker 2: Of your thoughts. It made sense to me.
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  Speaker 4: Why all of these small, beautiful moments made me feel
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  Speaker 4: so alive. I wasn't even thinking about what I was
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  Speaker 4: looking like in these moments, and it's.
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  Speaker 2: Because I wasn't thinking, period.
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  Speaker 4: I wasn't thinking at all, right, And it's like they're
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  Speaker 4: just this ancient Buddhist wisdom that when the mind gets
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  Speaker 4: so quiet that you are not thinking, whether that's through
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  Speaker 4: meditation or because you have been your mind has been
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  Speaker 4: stunned into silence by the beauty of the sun or
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  Speaker 4: by the beauty a dog running up to you, the
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  Speaker 4: mind just goes quiet, and for a moment, you are
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  Speaker 4: here like you're here, and it could last for like
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  Speaker 4: two seconds or three three minutes.
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  Speaker 2: I was once staring at a sunset in Tokyo and
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  Speaker 2: I'm just.
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  Speaker 4: Like I would just completely no thoughts, nothing, and it
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  Speaker 4: was like a mini meditation. And so when these things
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  Speaker 4: create that gap in your mind, they take you by surprise, right,
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  Speaker 4: You're kind of brought out of your head, and you're
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  Speaker 4: briefly reminded of how beautiful it is to be alive
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  Speaker 4: and not to be thinking about the way your body looks,
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  Speaker 4: and not to be thinking about what you've got to
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  Speaker 4: do later or who you've got to impress. You're not
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  Speaker 4: thinking about that. You are intensely here, and so you
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  Speaker 4: don't have to wait for those moments to hit you.
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  Speaker 4: You can create them. And that is through like the
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  Speaker 4: smallest moments of mindfulness. And I started to do it
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  Speaker 4: because it was quite hard to settle my mind, and
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  Speaker 4: it still is. I will have to physically sit on
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  Speaker 4: a bench on my walk, like I write in the
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  Speaker 4: book that benches, to me, they represent like a literal
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  Speaker 4: gap in the middle of a city where everyone is
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  Speaker 4: so busy. Even like the discipline of going somewhere and
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  Speaker 4: sitting down on a bench is the equivalent to me
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  Speaker 4: of like the mental rest of.
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  Speaker 2: Taking a breath and pausing.
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  Speaker 4: And I also have the habit now of taking a
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  Speaker 4: breath before I walk through a doorway, which is something
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  Speaker 4: I trained myself to do, where it's now like a habit.
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  Speaker 2: So before I walk into the room, it's like a
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  Speaker 2: deep breath. I don't stop. You can do it while
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  Speaker 2: you're walking.
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  Speaker 4: And for me, it's bringing myself back into the moment
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  Speaker 4: and I make more conscious and intentional decisions.
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  Speaker 2: And I think for me, when I was so stressed out,
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  Speaker 2: I couldn't stand the fucking idea of meditation.
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  Speaker 4: It felt like a waste of time, like half an
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  Speaker 4: hour sat on my ass with my own thoughts, no,
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  Speaker 4: thank you, who the fuck wants to I didn't want
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  Speaker 4: to do any of it, and I would have resented
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  Speaker 4: anyone suggesting it to me. I would have been like,
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  Speaker 4: you have no idea, you have no idea how much
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  Speaker 4: I need to do? What a waste of time? And
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  Speaker 4: so this idea of joy and bliss existing in just
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  Speaker 4: a little gap, it's like microdosing meditation for me, and
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  Speaker 4: it's more accessible.
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  Speaker 2: You don't actually need to fucking do anything, you just
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  Speaker 2: need to take a breath.
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  Speaker 4: So that when it was completely revolutionary for me, and
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  Speaker 4: so you asked me, how could you introduce more little
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  Speaker 4: gaps into your life.
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  Speaker 2: It's not even you don't have to actually do anything.
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  Speaker 2: We do too much.
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  Speaker 4: You just need to do what you are already doing
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  Speaker 4: with a tiny degree more presence. Like earlier, I was
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  Speaker 4: making my green tea before coming to sit in here,
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  Speaker 4: and it's so habitual, kettle on tea, bag in the cup,
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  Speaker 4: like you're just and I'm already thinking about, right, what
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  Speaker 4: am I going to say when I see them on camera?
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  Speaker 4: I'm not even present, but like making this tea, and
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  Speaker 4: then I remembered, and you just catch yourself not being
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  Speaker 4: present and you go oh, and then you just do.
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  Speaker 2: It and you think about what you're doing.
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  Speaker 4: And it's just I don't think it has to be
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  Speaker 4: It doesn't have to be overwhelming to be so still
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  Speaker 4: or to be still slower, like to get out of
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  Speaker 4: that frazzle, to state it is just one baby step at.
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  Speaker 2: A fucking time. Yeah, I didn't want to get out,
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  Speaker 2: but like the idea of being even writing a book.
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  Speaker 4: In that state, doing anything that was like extroverted and
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  Speaker 4: required energy of me. The idea of doing that was
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  Speaker 4: just completely draining, and so I just started doing it
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  Speaker 4: in baby steps. And that's actually one of my main
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  Speaker 4: messages throughout the book is like it is just a
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  Speaker 4: baby step.
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  Speaker 2: You know, no one climbs.
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  Speaker 4: If you're someone who's like extremely exhausted and you are
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  Speaker 4: fed up of watching yourself make decisions that please other
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  Speaker 4: people but let down yourself, and you're watching yourself do it,
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  Speaker 4: all you have to do is make one authentic choice,
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  Speaker 4: even if that is just when you go to a
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  Speaker 4: restaurant next you order what you want off the menu
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  Speaker 4: without asking the other person what they think, or you
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  Speaker 4: ask the other or you order what you want off
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  Speaker 4: the menu without going what are you having?
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  Speaker 2: Like, what do you want?
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  Speaker 4: And make that decision and guess what If it comes
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  Speaker 4: out and you like what the other person is having,
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  Speaker 4: doesn't mean you're a failure.
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  Speaker 2: It doesn't mean you made a wrong decision.
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  Speaker 4: The point is to just make your own choices and
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  Speaker 4: place yourself at the center of your life and get
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  Speaker 4: practiced at doing that.
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  Speaker 2: And it sounds so silly to say this.
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  Speaker 4: Out loud, right, like, oh, like, we're not children, you know,
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  Speaker 4: order what you want off the menu. But to a
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  Speaker 4: people pleaser, to people like me who recovering people pleaser,
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  Speaker 4: doing shit like that, you feel invincible after doing it.
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  Speaker 4: It's like you have to just push through constantly outsourcing
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  Speaker 4: and pulling your life choices to other people. And the
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  Speaker 4: main thing of living deliciously all of these little tiny
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  Speaker 4: things that sound so frivolous. What they do is over time,
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  Speaker 4: you integrate them into your life and you remind yourself.
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  Speaker 2: That you have agency. So even when your to do
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  Speaker 2: list is so fucking.
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  Speaker 4: Full, you can do one small thing that makes you
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  Speaker 4: remember that your life belongs to you, even if that
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  Speaker 4: simple decision is to put your phone down and just
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  Speaker 4: look at the sky for ten fucking seconds. You just
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  Speaker 4: remind yourself that you are not being driven around by
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  Speaker 4: the voice of fear in your head or your to
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  Speaker 4: do list. But you can make small decisions for yourself.
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  Speaker 4: And that's the most important thing. I lost all of
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  Speaker 4: my agency. I wasn't expressing myself. I was living within
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  Speaker 4: this mental cage of fear where I felt like I
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  Speaker 4: had no control over my life. And that's not true
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  Speaker 4: in any situation. There is one small thing you can do,
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  Speaker 4: even if it's just taking your breath. You just remind
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  Speaker 4: yourself that your life belongs to you, because otherwise life.
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  Speaker 2: Is so so.
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  Speaker 4: So unempowering and doing something small like that, like I
• 17:33
  Speaker 4: wrote in the book, you know, even if you can't
• 17:35
  Speaker 4: get out of bed you are depressed beyond belief, you
• 17:39
  Speaker 4: can open the fucking window and let yourself hear the
• 17:40
  Speaker 4: birds because you deserve to hear them. And those little
• 17:43
  Speaker 4: acts that you it's like an act of love that
• 17:46
  Speaker 4: you show yourself. You're like, my head is going nuts today.
• 17:49
  Speaker 4: I don't like myself, but I deserve to hear the birds.
• 17:52
  Speaker 4: I deserve this, I deserve this, I deserve this, and
• 17:55
  Speaker 4: you end up creating this like gratitude for life when
• 18:00
  Speaker 4: you start to do those little things. It really does
• 18:02
  Speaker 4: start so small, And I think I need someone to
• 18:04
  Speaker 4: tell me that happiness is not something that's supposed to
• 18:07
  Speaker 4: just visit you. It is a fucking habit like you.
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: You have to make it intentional. It is a skill.
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: It is something you get good at.
• 18:14
  Speaker 4: And I didn't realize that confidence and joy could slip
• 18:17
  Speaker 4: away from me so effortlessly. It wasn't one big trauma
• 18:20
  Speaker 4: that happened to me in my life. It was a
• 18:22
  Speaker 4: series of me turning away from the things that made
• 18:26
  Speaker 4: me happy, to prioritize work, to prioritize this, to prioritize perfection,
• 18:31
  Speaker 4: to prioritize how I looked. It was like a small
• 18:33
  Speaker 4: series of stepping away. And so the way back to
• 18:37
  Speaker 4: joy for me was a series of small steps to
• 18:39
  Speaker 4: turn towards my joy again.
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: That's so goodness, like tearing up. That's really beautiful.
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: Thank you so much.
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: I just love you guys.
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: Honestly, it's so powerful.
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: I honestly we recommend a lot of books on our pod.
• 18:56
  Speaker 5: We have done like four episodes of Bookstread to get
• 19:00
  Speaker 5: Your Shit Together, and I really can confidently say that
• 19:05
  Speaker 5: this is the number one that we really really want
• 19:08
  Speaker 5: every single person to read or listen to.
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: If that's you know, if you're not a reader, audiobooks
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: are your best friend because this book genuinely is don't cry, Alex,
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: like a massive hug. It's really beautiful. And I think
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: everything that you've said in this episode and just who
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: you've shown yourself to be is really in this book,
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: and it's so genuine and that's a really hard thing
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: to do as well, to be so open and to
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: be so genuine. So thank you so much, because I
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: truly think you're going to help every single person that
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: reads this book, and I'm so proud of everything that
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: you've done to achieve this and create this, and you
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: should be incredibly proud of yourself.
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: Oh thank you. I told you.
• 19:58
  Speaker 4: This is my first enterview I've done for the book.
• 20:02
  Speaker 4: No one's like I've not, you're wait just to check
• 20:05
  Speaker 4: you've read the book.
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, you read the book because it's out yet.
• 20:11
  Speaker 4: So I was like, maybe maybe you received like a PDS.
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: Copy that we got our physical copies like today.
• 20:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah, So that's that is genuinely my first piece of
• 20:24
  Speaker 4: feedback apart from my mom. Like, literally, no one else
• 20:27
  Speaker 4: has read this yet apart from my team.
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: Yourself and my mom.
• 20:33
  Speaker 4: So that was such a lovely warm like I know,
• 20:37
  Speaker 4: the book's out in five days, and that's just like,
• 20:39
  Speaker 4: it's such a lovely warm feeling to send me off.
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: With before it comes out. Be very very very excited.
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: It's a pleasure to share that because honestly, that's such
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: an honor to hear that as well, that we were
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: one of the first, because we admire you so much
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: the first.
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: I put that on my Instagram. So, oh have you
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: read Women Living Deliciously?
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: Did you know? Do you have five minutes.
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: Actually, we just I've got a tattoo on my forehead.
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: Look to wrap up, we always end our episodes with
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: one very fabulous, very small question. Really, but what has
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: been your biggest life lesson on your journey so far?
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: It's not a small question.
• 21:29
  Speaker 4: So you know what I've saying too earlier about anxiety
• 21:31
  Speaker 4: feeling like urgency.
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: It's fucking fake. All of it's fake.
• 21:38
  Speaker 4: The mental deadlines you place upon yourself to achieve a
• 21:42
  Speaker 4: certain thing by a certain age, it is fucking fake.
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: All of it's fake. It's not real, it's made up.
• 21:50
  Speaker 4: Everything is made up, and we give legitimacy to like
• 21:55
  Speaker 4: so many things because it's how we behave as a society,
• 21:58
  Speaker 4: like street names, clothes, you wear this again what were
• 22:01
  Speaker 4: talking about earlier, like the symbols of tribes, and like
• 22:04
  Speaker 4: that girl to ask, all of it. We make it
• 22:07
  Speaker 4: up because part of life is the fun of life
• 22:10
  Speaker 4: is making things up to make sense of why the
• 22:12
  Speaker 4: fuck we're here, because no one knows why. And so
• 22:15
  Speaker 4: one of my biggest life lessons is that everything is fake.
• 22:18
  Speaker 4: And when every time I feel this urgency creeping up
• 22:21
  Speaker 4: on me to be perfect or still, little things like
• 22:25
  Speaker 4: I need to post on Instagram every day.
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: I need to do this. I need to wake up
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: at this time. All of these mental it's fake.
• 22:31
  Speaker 4: Wouldn't it be great if you're fucking sure, Sure it would,
• 22:35
  Speaker 4: But most of it is fake. And if you can
• 22:39
  Speaker 4: view everything as fake and made up, the ideas of
• 22:42
  Speaker 4: beauty we have, they are just reinforced by people that
• 22:46
  Speaker 4: they are real, and they affect people's lives. That is real,
• 22:50
  Speaker 4: and they also just exist in people's heads and they
• 22:53
  Speaker 4: aren't real.
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: It's an idea and that sounds so I really.
• 22:57
  Speaker 4: Don't want to be too vague about this and sound
• 22:58
  Speaker 4: say fucking pretentious. But everything in life is made up.
• 23:01
  Speaker 4: We make things up because it's fun. We make things
• 23:04
  Speaker 4: up because it gives us a sense of control. And
• 23:06
  Speaker 4: when you do that for me, I'll speak for myself.
• 23:09
  Speaker 4: For me, it's given me an unbelievable sense of power
• 23:12
  Speaker 4: and agency over my own life to realize that who
• 23:15
  Speaker 4: I am is fucking brilliant, and anything I put on
• 23:18
  Speaker 4: myself to live up to some arbitrary, made up standard
• 23:22
  Speaker 4: by another person, or just the punishing voice in my
• 23:25
  Speaker 4: mind that tells me I need to be a certain way.
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: It's fake. I can tell it to shut the hell
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: up and I can do what I want.
• 23:33
  Speaker 4: And that voice it's not real, it's it's a voice
• 23:38
  Speaker 4: inside of me.
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: I'm not the voice. It's you know.
• 23:40
  Speaker 4: It's going back to that really basic but life changing mindfulness.
• 23:44
  Speaker 4: Part of the voice inside you is it's just a
• 23:46
  Speaker 4: piece of clutter. It's literally, it's not you. It's literally
• 23:51
  Speaker 4: it's a thing outside of you. Like like you would
• 23:53
  Speaker 4: look at a flower on a walk and be like, oh,
• 23:55
  Speaker 4: that's a flower.
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: We can do the same with the voice in our head,
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: like oh that's a voice in me.
• 24:00
  Speaker 4: It's not me, it's in me, and it just creating
• 24:05
  Speaker 4: that separation in my mind and realizing that so much
• 24:08
  Speaker 4: of what I thought about the world is fake because
• 24:11
  Speaker 4: everyone has a complete different voice in their heads and
• 24:14
  Speaker 4: they view they can look at the same fucking think
• 24:16
  Speaker 4: of you, same fucking thing as you, the same piece
• 24:19
  Speaker 4: of art, and derive a completely different meaning from it, and.
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: Neither of you are wrong. It's just their interpretation of
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: the you know, it's like everything in life is fake
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: and it's a bit was it.
• 24:31
  Speaker 4: Like it's like nihilism and like just it sounds quite depressing,
• 24:35
  Speaker 4: like oh, everything's fake, nothing's real, but it's It's given
• 24:39
  Speaker 4: me a lot of optimism and a lot of gratitude
• 24:41
  Speaker 4: and much deeper ability to be what myself when I
• 24:45
  Speaker 4: realized that you can create your own version of life,
• 24:49
  Speaker 4: because why not.
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: It's all fake. The rules are fake.
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's there are up rules. You can have what
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: I what the fuck you want for dinner? And my
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: favorite one is that you can pick whatever movie you
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: want to watch.
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: That's my favorite one.
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: Thank you so much. You've been an absolute pleasure and
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: easily one of our dream guests that we've always had.
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: So congratulations on your incredible book and we can't wait
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: for the four fifth, seven hundreds.
• 25:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah I'm looking force but number four as well, whatever
• 25:20
  Speaker 4: the hell that's going to be, it'll be magnificent.
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: Yes, thank you so much, and have a fabulous rest
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: of your day.
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: Thank you so much our pleasure.
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: And that is a wrap with our chat with Floss.
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: Are you bestie? I think?
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: Could you chicks tell that we were excited?
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah? That was I feel so fulfilled. I think this
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: has easily been one of like the dream days in
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: my career. The whole day Sound and I were really
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: nervous for no other reason. Then We're just huge fangirls,
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: so this episode has really stayed with me and I
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: hope everyone everyone reads this book. It will easily change
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: your life.
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: Put a link in the description so you can get
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  Speaker 3: yourself a copy or get it in.
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  Speaker 2: Chickies O, we love that.
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: But thank you so much having us in your ear holes.
• 26:23
  Speaker 5: We absolutely love love, blah, love to be love, and yeah,
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  Speaker 5: I have a fucking fab day.
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: Chickis thanks to m ik Made for making today's episode happen.
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  Speaker 2: We love you you.
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: Goodbye. Kisses from your money