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Assassination Attempt - Bonus Content · I Hate Talking

• 0:31
  I Hate Talking: All right, we are here with a bonus episode, and this is being recorded and will be dropped immediately on this 13th day of July 2024.
• 0:42
  I Hate Talking: Hi, I wish it was for exciting.
• 0:45
  I Hate Talking: Well, it is exciting.
• 0:46
  I Hate Talking: I wish it was for good news while we were doing this podcast tonight.
• 0:51
  I Hate Talking: Well, there are some that may consider the fact that President Trump is still alive bad news, unfortunately.
• 0:58
  I Hate Talking: But uh there is some good news in the events that took place earlier today in the fact that uh he is still alive.
• 1:06
  I Hate Talking: Yes, uh, but there are people that aren't alive.
• 1:11
  I Hate Talking: At least one.
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  I Hate Talking: And a second one in critical condition, correct?
• 1:16
  I Hate Talking: Yes, according to reports that we've been catching up on is that there is one confirmed fatality of an audience member, uh, another audience member that is in critical condition, and the shooter is deceased as well, according to reports.
• 1:34
  I Hate Talking: Should we back up just in case and explain what happened a couple hours ago?
• 1:39
  I Hate Talking: I think that's a good idea.
• 1:41
  I Hate Talking: So, uh, President Trump, who is uh running for president, but the previous president as well, so a little bit confusing maybe for some of our international listeners, he is not currently the sitting president, but he was a president nonetheless, so we still refer to him as President Trump, uh, but he had an attempt on his life during a rally in Pennsylvania.
• 2:05
  I Hate Talking: And uh this was done by a firearm of some sort.
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  I Hate Talking: Uh, initial reports are saying a rifle and the attempt was unsuccessful.
• 2:19
  I Hate Talking: However, it does appear that he had been hit with a single shot of the volley of at least 5 shots, uh, that went through his right ear.
• 2:31
  I Hate Talking: So we are doing this special episode because from my memory, this is actually the first.
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  I Hate Talking: Assassination attempt, successful or otherwise uh that has occurred during our lifetime.
• 2:46
  I Hate Talking: Right, yeah, um.
• 2:48
  I Hate Talking: When I was looking it up a little bit ago, it looks like there have been attempts, but nothing to this extreme.
• 2:57
  I Hate Talking: It looks like other um attempts to other presidents or even Trump were uh Stopped um a lot sooner.
• 3:08
  I Hate Talking: So this is the first time I, yeah, like you said, in our history that a president or former president was shot and injured.
• 3:18
  I Hate Talking: Exactly.
• 3:19
  I Hate Talking: According to our research, there was a plot in 1993 to assassinate George HW Bush during a visit to Kuwait.
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  I Hate Talking: However, that was stopped and uh many people were arrested, so uh that did not even come close to being completed.
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  I Hate Talking: And then in 1994, I actually do remember this event, but I wouldn't necessarily call it an assassination attempt because There was a gentleman that just fired shots at the White House from outside the fence, um, perhaps not necessarily intending to kill, but maybe just drawing attention or just acting out, uh, some sort of psychotic episode.
• 4:01
  I Hate Talking: So I do actually remember that event, but, um, I don't believe that uh the President Bill Clinton at that time had been in any danger.
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  I Hate Talking: And then there was an attempt on George W.
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  I Hate Talking: Bush in 2005.
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  I Hate Talking: Uh, but that was actually while he was no longer president, so that was after he had, uh, finished his term, uh, where there was a grenade that was thrown at him, uh, but the grenade failed to detonate because it was wrapped too tightly in a handkerchief.
• 4:31
  I Hate Talking: So there's a few things that I think are important for our listeners as well as just anybody that is consuming news.
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  I Hate Talking: And this list comes from on the Media.org.
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  I Hate Talking: We'll put the link in the show notes, um, and uh try to put a uh image to this list as well, but they have what is called breaking news consumers' handbook.
• 4:57
  I Hate Talking: So this is a list of 9 things, um, surprised that they couldn't round it out with 10, but nonetheless, uh, number 1 is in the immediate aftermath, news outlets will get it wrong.
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  I Hate Talking: And we're already starting to see that uh there were some initial news reports that said that the audience member that was being evacuated because they had been hit, uh, was actually the shooter.
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  I Hate Talking: Oh wow, OK, I didn't hear that.
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  I Hate Talking: Number 2 is don't trust anonymous sources.
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  I Hate Talking: That makes sense if they're not willing to put their name down, then they, if they're not trustworthy enough to put their name down, they're not trustworthy enough to listen to.
• 5:39
  I Hate Talking: Exactly.
• 5:40
  I Hate Talking: And uh because they are anonymous, they are either maybe Passing on facts that are unverified or they just might be straight up making up things uh to try to draw some attention.
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  I Hate Talking: Number 3 is don't trust stories that cite another news outlet as the source of the information.
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  I Hate Talking: So, I'm confused by that one.
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  I Hate Talking: So, um, a smaller news company can't cite a larger one?
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  I Hate Talking: So I think the important thing on this one is that there may be.
• 6:18
  I Hate Talking: News outlets or again, maybe individual sources that are citing something and then just making up their own story.
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  I Hate Talking: And because it has a citation, people will trust it more readily without actually going to the citation.
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  I Hate Talking: So the citation may not even be legitimate or it may be a legit link, but the information in that cited work does not match what they are saying.
• 6:41
  I Hate Talking: I see.
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  I Hate Talking: So maybe they're using a name of a big news outlet for credibility.
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  I Hate Talking: Exactly.
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  I Hate Talking: OK, I got that.
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  I Hate Talking: OK, I got it.
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  I Hate Talking: Next.
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  I Hate Talking: Number 4, there's almost never a second shooter.
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  I Hate Talking: Huh, OK.
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  I Hate Talking: So, Grassy Knoll, uh, Vegas, and I've actually have seen some reports even for the events today that there were uh supposed second shooter.
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  I Hate Talking: Uh, however, in the midst of the chaos, uh, there is a lot of things going on and, uh, people will misremember or uh maybe even think that the law enforcement that is responding is actually a Bad shooter in that scenario.
• 7:29
  I Hate Talking: That makes sense.
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  I Hate Talking: And there could be echoes or um like you said, the law enforcement that is Um, reacting to it.
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  I Hate Talking: Um, that's why for the Revolutionary War, right, no one knows who shot the first shot, precisely, but it was heard around the world.
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  I Hate Talking: Number 5, pay attention to the language the media uses.
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  I Hate Talking: So these are some keywords that the reporters may use, uh, to infer a particular meaning.
• 7:59
  I Hate Talking: We are getting reports could mean anything, basically that just means that they are hearing these things and again, it's unsubstantiated thus far.
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  I Hate Talking: We are seeking confirmation that means they don't have it.
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  I Hate Talking: So, uh, that is that they're saying something that they're seeking confirmation on that means they do not have confirmation that that is true.
• 8:19
  I Hate Talking: And then if they say that another news outlet has quote unquote learned, that means that it has a scoop or it's going out on the limb.
• 8:28
  I Hate Talking: So they actually may have something or again, you may have even the news outlets participating in some of these things that are warned against in the previous points and they actually are just creating misinformation.
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  I Hate Talking: OK.
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  I Hate Talking: Number 6 is some positive things.
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  I Hate Talking: Uh, we can look for news outlets close to the incident.
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  I Hate Talking: So we can probably trust if somebody was there, a news outlet that was there.
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  I Hate Talking: Versus one that's across the world.
• 8:59
  I Hate Talking: Exactly, yeah, because those across the world or even in the major markets are gonna be getting their information second or third hand, whereas people that are working for local news outlets will actually be on site or at least have known people that they have as resources that are close to the incident.
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  I Hate Talking: Number 7 is compare multiple sources.
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  I Hate Talking: Mhm.
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  I Hate Talking: So basically looking at a number of different news outlets to see if they're being corroborated, uh, the information that one says, uh, being similar or the same as another.
• 9:33
  I Hate Talking: However, right as we've been warned in previous statements that, uh, we can't trust stories that cite another news outlet as a source of information unless we actually corroborate and actually go to that site and make sure that what they are saying is the same thing, right.
• 9:48
  I Hate Talking: Do your due diligence.
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  I Hate Talking: Number 8 is big news brings out the fakers and Photoshoppers.
• 9:55
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, that's, I mean, that's a scary one nowadays, especially with Photoshop and AI and all that.
• 10:01
  I Hate Talking: Like a picture used to be worth 1000 words and it's Not anymore.
• 10:07
  I Hate Talking: Yep, and I think we're even starting to see that with video as well with deep fakes and things of that nature.
• 10:13
  I Hate Talking: So again, everybody's looking for uh some attention here potentially and that big news or these events is uh causing some of that to, to happen.
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  I Hate Talking: Number 9 is the last one on the list here.
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  I Hate Talking: Beware, reflexive retweeting.
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  I Hate Talking: Some of this is on you.
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  I Hate Talking: OK, elaborate on that one.
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  I Hate Talking: So that is basically.
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  I Hate Talking: Continuing the cycle of these anonymous sources or citing things without verification that if you do see a headline or a tweet or some short article on something that's going on and then just reflexively.
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  I Hate Talking: Repost that or pass that on that uh you're just perpetuating the cycle of this misinformation.
• 11:06
  I Hate Talking: OK.
• 11:07
  I Hate Talking: So on to the actual events and uh just some of the things that we've been seeing, uh, so like we said, this did happen in Pennsylvania and interesting to note that uh I do have some friends and family in the state of Pennsylvania, not near this incident per se, uh, but actually saw some reports from some of them that there was a second active shooter.
• 11:30
  I Hate Talking: Uh, just a few short hours after the assassination attempt.
• 11:35
  I Hate Talking: And have you followed up and heard anything about that?
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  I Hate Talking: Cause I did a quick search when you mentioned that to me and I couldn't find anything, but obviously, President Trump's um News is gonna hit the hit more.
• 11:49
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, do you think that's what everybody is paying attention to?
• 11:54
  I Hate Talking: Um, I did see it from a real person that, uh, that I trust on uh these things, so I don't think that they would be reporting that, uh, in a erroneous fashion, but I have not seen any follow up to that.
• 12:11
  I Hate Talking: And again, um.
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  I Hate Talking: Just because there is a.
• 12:16
  I Hate Talking: Live shooter scenario, uh, that means that law enforcement has been called there, uh, getting to the scene does not mean that there is actually an active shooter, just that the active shooter situation has been invoked.
• 12:30
  I Hate Talking: Right, because right now, I mean, we don't want to give false information either way, but right now, Everyone's so heightened.
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  I Hate Talking: And on alert, um.
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  I Hate Talking: That you could think something isn't happening or something is, and maybe somebody it was planned.
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  I Hate Talking: Or it's, you know, everyone's emotions right now are so heightened, both sides, like whether you like Trump or not.
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  I Hate Talking: Um, I feel like most people have.
• 13:03
  I Hate Talking: Some emotions tonight about what's happening.
• 13:06
  I Hate Talking: Yep, so, um, some of the news that I'll follow comes from Reddit, uh, as just the front page of the internet, so to say, uh, and accumulating some of those news articles, um, they actually shut down comments for a period, uh, tonight.
• 13:26
  I Hate Talking: Um, they have not said publicly why they did that, uh, and they may never say that, uh, on exactly why they did that, but.
• 13:36
  I Hate Talking: That, um, the, the theory, again, take this with a grain of salt and be aware of everything that we just stated from those list of 9 warnings, uh, but.
• 13:46
  I Hate Talking: The uh the theory is that it is because uh the comment section was.
• 13:52
  I Hate Talking: Uh Actually filled with people wishing that the attempt had been successful.
• 13:59
  I Hate Talking: Wow.
• 14:00
  I Hate Talking: Now there is some odd conspiracy theories out there.
• 14:04
  I Hate Talking: Uh, one of the ones that I chuckled at is, uh, people quoting Revelation 133, which says, and I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death and his deadly wound was healed and all the world wondered after the beast.
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  I Hate Talking: So are they calling?
• 14:21
  I Hate Talking: Trump the beast, is he magically healed?
• 14:25
  I Hate Talking: I'm.
• 14:26
  I Hate Talking: Confused.
• 14:28
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, I think they're uh basically saying that he's the anti-Christ and, uh, yeah, I don't think that, uh, that's uh.
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  I Hate Talking: A apt application of that particular verse, um, he, uh, certainly was not appeared wounded to death.
• 14:45
  I Hate Talking: Uh, he jumped up pretty quickly and because he was healed.
• 14:49
  I Hate Talking: Oh, magically healed, yes, right there by the, the Secret Service, uh, members laying their hands on him, um, but they were actually from what I could tell, trying to keep him down, trying to surround him, keep him protected and Uh, he was trying to get back to his speech, or at least make sure everybody knew that he was OK.
• 15:07
  I Hate Talking: Right.
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  I Hate Talking: I feel like, I mean, I don't know him personally, obviously, but from just watching his personality, my opinion, because it definitely looked like they were trying to keep him down and he was fighting to get up.
• 15:19
  I Hate Talking: I felt like, yeah, either he wanted to do his speech or he wanted to show.
• 15:23
  I Hate Talking: Everyone, he was OK and like that I'm Strong.
• 15:28
  I Hate Talking: I'm um bigger than this, or better than this.
• 15:32
  I Hate Talking: You know, if we're just uh pausing for a second, when this happened, we were planning on doing a family dinner, or we did family dinner.
• 15:40
  I Hate Talking: We were planning on watching a movie tonight.
• 15:42
  I Hate Talking: I got ice cream for the family, so it was going to be a fun thing.
• 15:45
  I Hate Talking: And I was prepping all that when you let me know, like, hey, And so I stopped Prepping it came right over to see, and we were watching the replay that just happened seconds ago.
• 15:58
  I Hate Talking: And our kids, well, a couple of them came over and they were interested.
• 16:02
  I Hate Talking: And it was really hard to like, be interested in what was happening, but also knowing that this is, they're watching this.
• 16:12
  I Hate Talking: And they were like, what's happening?
• 16:15
  I Hate Talking: Is he OK?
• 16:16
  I Hate Talking: And so we're trying to say like, oh look, he's walking off the stage, so he's OK, cause they thought he may have passed away.
• 16:23
  I Hate Talking: We're like, no, he's OK because he's walking.
• 16:26
  I Hate Talking: So even the fact that he did stand up and walk, I think, whether that was his intention or not, Gave at least us a relief of like as our child was inadvertently watching the scene happen live.
• 16:39
  I Hate Talking: And like, you know, that we could just say he's OK, or he'll be OK.
• 16:43
  I Hate Talking: Exactly.
• 16:44
  I Hate Talking: So, um, some other conspiracy theories that are out there, uh, we've seen some people theorizing that this was either didn't even happen, um, or was all staged, uh, which is, I think, pretty incredible, but again, making, uh, huge jumps to conclusion, um, so that was some of the things that we saw out there.
• 17:11
  I Hate Talking: Um, we did see some posts about, uh, the person in the audience that appears to have passed away, um.
• 17:20
  I Hate Talking: And that is, uh, seems like that person was hit in the head and uh passed away, um, in the audience in the bleachers, um, and there's some photographs uh of that uh after the scene.
• 17:35
  I Hate Talking: And then there's also an interesting interview that uh the BBC has, um, but it actually is an in-person interview of a BBC reporter with a gentleman that was not at the rally but was adjacent to the rally and uh that particular person is on this.
• 17:57
  I Hate Talking: Interview saying that they actually saw the shooter bear crawling with a rifle on a roof, notified police officers, uh, but they did not stop or were unable to stop the shooter before anything transpired, which, uh, there's a number of people commenting on that in that, uh, the law enforcement should have notified Secret Service and, you know, started pulling Trump off the stage.
• 18:26
  I Hate Talking: Um, but obviously hard to know exactly what transpired and these things can take from, you know, mere seconds to minutes to, uh, to make these things, uh, come to be so, uh, hard to say exactly, uh, what was going on.
• 18:43
  I Hate Talking: Um, there are a number of photos and even some quote unquote.
• 18:48
  I Hate Talking: People that uh were on site witnesses again, according to, to their own uh commentary here that the snipers that were set up as overwatch for the president, uh, did seem to perhaps become more actively alert and um we actually trained on the supposed roof of where the shooter was.
• 19:13
  I Hate Talking: uh, so there may have been some advanced notice or, you know, perhaps the Uh, law enforcement, Secret Service sniper, uh, did see this happening and was, uh, you know, checking out what was going on.
• 19:27
  I Hate Talking: So again, lots of information that is happening in real time and we all have to take with a grain of salt, but we do know, um, at this point in time.
• 19:36
  I Hate Talking: One dead in the audience, one critically injured in the audience, the shooter is dead and President Trump.
• 19:43
  I Hate Talking: Appears to be Perfect health except for his ear.
• 19:48
  I Hate Talking: Well, yeah, so hurt, but OK.
• 19:51
  I Hate Talking: Um, you know, to give, I mean, yeah, I heard that story too of the gentleman that And his friends that saw this happen.
• 20:02
  I Hate Talking: And um I think he, did he say he spoke to a local, like a police officer, right?
• 20:10
  I Hate Talking: All I'm saying, like, to give them all the benefit of a doubt, is I remember, uh, man, like 20 years ago, we were in uh DC.
• 20:19
  I Hate Talking: And My brother saw someone on a roof with a gun.
• 20:25
  I Hate Talking: And um there were tons, we were at, um, I think it was the Capitol, and there are tons of people, and he asked him this, um, One of the guards there, like, is that guy with a gun supposed to be there?
• 20:40
  I Hate Talking: And the guy's countenance, like it changed.
• 20:42
  I Hate Talking: You could see like he was like on alert at that moment, he's like, where?
• 20:46
  I Hate Talking: And we, he pointed and he's like, oh, yeah.
• 20:49
  I Hate Talking: Like, I guess it was like another guard that just hangs out on the roof, just laying there.
• 20:54
  I Hate Talking: I don't know, apparently.
• 20:56
  I Hate Talking: So, you know, if they're saying that, if it's a local person, they might not know where all of the Secret Service are.
• 21:04
  I Hate Talking: Where all their snipers are, you know what I mean?
• 21:06
  I Hate Talking: Like, they could have been like, oh yeah, it's probably one of those, or they could have been checking with somebody else who needed to check with whoever, right?
• 21:14
  I Hate Talking: and figure out where everybody is, and if this guy is a real threat, or if he is um security.
• 21:22
  I Hate Talking: Yup.
• 21:23
  I Hate Talking: So again, uh, goes back to situational awareness, right?
• 21:28
  I Hate Talking: That's good that uh Your brother was aware of those things.
• 21:31
  I Hate Talking: I think we all need to be aware of those things as well.
• 21:35
  I Hate Talking: Um, so as we wrap this, uh, bonus episode up, uh, there are a few things that are just again interesting to note.
• 21:46
  I Hate Talking: Uh, there is a quote from Joe Biden on July 9, 2024, uh, that where he said it's time to put Trump in the bull's eye.
• 21:57
  I Hate Talking: But you.
• 21:59
  I Hate Talking: Alleging there Not alleging anything.
• 22:04
  I Hate Talking: I think that some people are alleging that this is somehow perpetrated by the Democrats or in some way their supporters.
• 22:14
  I Hate Talking: Uh, I don't think that is the case.
• 22:16
  I Hate Talking: I think that if uh attempt, especially in this case being unsuccessful will galvanize Trump supporters and even if they had been successful with this assassination attempt that again uh the Trump base would have been galvanized and um.
• 22:32
  I Hate Talking: You know, a lot of the swing states probably would not be uh as much of a swing state anymore, but would rather go to uh grassroots Trump supporters.
• 22:42
  I Hate Talking: Um, Another interesting quote is, uh, Senator Chuck Schumer said, uh, the intelligence community has 6 ways till Sunday to get back at you, uh, talking about President Trump.
• 22:56
  I Hate Talking: So again, another interesting uh quote, uh, that, uh.
• 23:01
  I Hate Talking: Not sure exactly the date on that one, but that was uh I think either actually today or earlier this week.
• 23:09
  I Hate Talking: Um, so, uh, again, don't think that uh there was any purposeful intent by any of the Democrats' comments on, uh, either of these statements.
• 23:24
  I Hate Talking: However, Uh, it may be interesting to consider if the shooter was in some way encouraged or uh incited to violence by any of these comments, we'll never know, I think, uh, you know, it takes a, uh, number of years for the Nashville shooter manifesto to come out and that was only I think through non uh official means so.
• 23:53
  I Hate Talking: I don't think we'll ever have the entire story on this situation, uh, but nonetheless, uh, we can do our due diligence and consider some of the strategies that we outlined at the beginning of the episode from on the Media.org.
• 24:08
  I Hate Talking: And be able to diligently.
• 24:11
  I Hate Talking: Be aware of what is going around us in our world, right, and be aware of the words we use too.
• 24:20
  I Hate Talking: Um, especially nowadays.
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  I Hate Talking: How everything's recorded.
• 24:26
  I Hate Talking: Um You know, just words, even if you're just saying out of frustration or anything, they can really cause harm.
• 24:38
  I Hate Talking: Whether um and just like right now as a nation, those who are that are in the states, like, I'm just, I think I'm concerned about the coming days.
• 24:53
  I Hate Talking: Already there was such a divide and a lot of anger on both sides.
• 24:58
  I Hate Talking: And um.
• 25:01
  I Hate Talking: I'm just worried about what's going to happen with, I just feel like there's gonna be more anger and more polarization.
• 25:08
  I Hate Talking: And I just want us all to be kind and use nice words.
• 25:12
  I Hate Talking: There's a family right now that they're Spouse or whoever it was that passed away.
• 25:18
  I Hate Talking: You know, isn't coming home tonight, and they were expecting them to.
• 25:23
  I Hate Talking: And there's another one that's in the hospital.
• 25:25
  I Hate Talking: Hopefully we'll return home eventually.
• 25:27
  I Hate Talking: But There are people right now that are really hurting and our mean words and our.
• 25:33
  I Hate Talking: Jumping to conclusions isn't helping anything.
• 25:37
  I Hate Talking: Exactly.
• 25:39
  I Hate Talking: So we can uh always consider those things.
• 25:42
  I Hate Talking: So from your friends that I hate talking until next time, remember, it is only through talking that we begin the journey to understanding.