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Random Heathen Ramblings: S6, EP15 - Modern Shaman Musings [feat. Andy "Walks With Thunder" Rodriguez] · Random Heathen Ramblings

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  Now that we've got all of that stuff out of the way, I am
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  pleased to bring to the Random Heathen Ramblings podcast for
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  the first time. This is going to be Andy Walks
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  with Thunder Rodriguez, founder of Walks with thunder.com.
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  Walks with Thunder Shamanism, I believe so.
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  Andy, thank you for being here and welcome to the show, Sir.
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  Thanks for having me on, Jesse. It's a pleasure.
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  I do have something to say about the heathen part.
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  As you know, when settlers came to the Americas, the Native
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  Americans were the heathens. So I don't know if that gives me
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  honorary status or official status as a Heather, but I'm
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  claiming. There you go.
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  I, I, yeah, I, I, I hear you, man.
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  And that's, that's an astute observation.
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  Yeah. They, they, they did come over
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  and they did feel like it was, it's funny, you know, I, I, I
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  see this, this meme or this thing that goes around sometimes
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  talking about how the, you know, the, the, the colonizers or the
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  people that came over here. They called the indigenous
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  people savages. Yet the ones that came over here
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  and committed all these horrendous acts and did the
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  things, they were the real savages.
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  If you if you, if you think about.
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  It I wouldn't agree more with you.
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  The tolerant blankets, the Trail of Tears, you know, killing
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  Indian babies through the, you know, a hatchet or a hammer butt
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  gun butt, you know, horrible things.
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  You know, in war people do horrible things and Native
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  Americans are conquered people. And you know, if the black, if
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  the black people get restitution, get in line.
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  We were here first. It's humanity though, wouldn't
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  you, wouldn't you say that the, I mean, it's kind of like the,
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  the, the, the, the, the, the, the pattern that humanity has
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  followed. I mean, everybody has every
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  nation, every, everybody at some point in time has been
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  conquered. There's been wars fought for
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  lands and status of of one people or another throughout
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  history, so it seems like it's a trend of humanity to just be
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  generally shitty to one another to say this.
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  Well, Stephen Hawking would tell you that if we ever are
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  contacted by a alien race which will be technically superior to
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  ours, it'll be like when Columbus visited the Americas
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  for the first time. And they will treat us in
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  exactly the same way as the colonizers do.
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  All, all people, not just whites and blacks and Browns and
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  yellows and what happens? But I hope that doesn't happen
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  in my lifetime, even though there is clear evidence that,
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  you know, they go full around the interdimensional and you
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  know, the hollow earth theory, all that weird stuff.
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  It's it's an odd world we live in and it just keeps getting
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  more strange every day. Yeah, I've been, I mean, I've
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  just been in this form of myself in this world, you know, for the
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  last 40 years. That's it.
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  And in just that short period of time, the things that I've seen
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  and, and the way the world has become has been.
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  Yeah, it's, it's, it's just gone progressively downhill in a lot
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  of ways. You know that is exactly the
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  problem, Progressive. Yeah, I mean you, you, you're,
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  you're a. So let's, let's, let's just kind
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  of clear the air with with what and who you are.
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  You have a name, a deed name perhaps if you want to call it a
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  Walks with Thunder. Now that is a pretty powerful
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  and evocative name or title. Can you share with us kind of
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  the story behind how that came to you or if you if you gave it
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  to yourself or chose it or if it was given to you or anything
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  about that that you can share? Well, in 1992, I was invited to
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  my first sweat lodge in South Dakota at Pine Ridge, which is a
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  contrast in in poverty and abuse and in areas where it's, it's
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  pure and simple, another example of how our government has
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  shafted the Redman. But, you know, my mom was a
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  militant Indian, and I guess I'm kind of militant as well.
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  But while I was visiting with the medicine man there, I told
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  him that I wanted to write a book called Walks with Thunder
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  because of my connection with Thundernation.
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  And he said that's a great name. Did you ask the spirit that owns
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  it if you could use it? And I said, there's a spirit
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  that owns that name. So yeah, there's a Thunder
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  spirit. They'll have to go to the
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  mountain and ask him. In South Dakota, there's a
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  sacred mountain. If you like Native American
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  movies or series, there's one called Dream Keeper.
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  And in the movie they'll show you the mountain, which looks
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  kind of like a bear and CGI D that thing to look like a bear
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  getting up and then getting down.
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  But that's the mountain he was referring to.
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  And I, I, I went and I asked the Thunder Spirit Walks with
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  Thunder if I could use that name for a book.
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  And he said, that's a great name for a book.
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  It's also a great name for a man.
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  You should use it. He said, I don't know, that's
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  kind of a big name to put on. I'll, I'll think about it.
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  And 2-3 years later, I decided to go ahead and use it because I
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  had permission. Now occasionally somebody will
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  go ask me who gave me my name and I'll tell him a Thunder
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  spirit gave it to me. His name is the same.
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  You want to go to the sacred mountain and ask him why he gave
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  it to me. Let me know what he says if you
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  live. If you live, it's a dumbass idea
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  to go but questioning the will of spirit directly to Spirit's
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  face because there's a lot of respect involved in that.
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  Whether you respect or not there will be a consequence and I
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  don't know if it's the the give or take of something or whether
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  it's a law, but when you insult someone that walks with power
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  you do sue at your own risk. I know a lot of people that
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  don't like me and there were like 3 or 4 websites devoted.
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  I hate walks with Thunder. Oh.
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  Wow, I live in their heads rent free.
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  I'm on the list of plastic shaman and fake people and
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  charlatans. And you know, if you want to get
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  off those lists, you got to go to that site, got to ask them to
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  take you off. And then they won't take you
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  off. They'll just make a post that
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  says he doesn't like being here, let's make him famous.
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  So I talked to my my then publicist and she says, let me
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  show you the traffic that site's driven to your site.
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  And they had sent me over 98,000 hits just from that one site.
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  So there were three sites voted to that and all.
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  And all of those, I think I got something like 300,350 thousand
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  hits from people going from their sites to my site to hear
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  what I really said and not what they said I said.
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  And I got to say she was right. There is no bad publicity. 6
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  months from now all people remember is your name.
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  So come on, hate me, I love it. Yeah, that's a, that's a keen
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  thing to, to, to bear in mind if you say when 'cause you know, I
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  guess if you, if you, if you're genuine about what you're doing,
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  that's going to piss people off, you know?
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  'Cause they can't do it. Because, yeah, because they're
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  jealous, you know, or they, yeah, they, they, they can't,
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  they, they're not achieving the same thing.
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  And so the only satisfaction that people like that receive is
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  when they get to mock the, the ones that are doing it.
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  I've I've been on the receiving end of things like that myself
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  as well. Yeah, we should have a club.
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  We'll get T-shirts. Yeah, right.
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  Yeah, cash. In on them jacket, you know.
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  Has that, has that impacted your ability or your approach in what
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  you do like the naysayers, the you know, does it, does it, does
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  it, has it ever really hit you to a point where you're like,
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  maybe they're right or you question yourself?
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  Or have you always been, you know, pretty convicted in, in
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  your abilities and, and, and the gifts that that have come to
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  you? How?
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  How is that sort of negative press thing affected you over
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  the years? It really hasn't.
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  I I have 184 IQ and if you want to argue with me, you do so at
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  your own risk. Now some people say, well that's
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  arrogant and I would say no, that's factual.
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  But what I've noticed is, is that when my tobacco offering
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  fades out of existence on camera and yours doesn't, mine was
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  accepted and yours isn't. And I will tell you yours wasn't
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  accepted because it was tainted with white man's cloth and white
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  man's string, whereas mine is pure.
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  It's gone. You can see that it's gone.
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  It faded out of existence in front of you.
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  It's gone. The Seattle Debunkers group
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  tried to get me one year. I was on my radio show and I
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  said, listen, next week I'm going to give a stone blessing.
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  So I want you all to have a, a rose quartz bead, a 10mm rose
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  quartz bead. I will give it a blessing and it
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  will turn white or go clear after the blessing.
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  And they're like, there's no way.
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  So they got a camera, they got a radio, they got a rose quartz
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  bead. They centered in on the camera
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  with the radio and right there on camera, it went from pink to
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  white to clear. They couldn't debunk me.
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  And that's a powerful thing. Yeah, I tell.
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  You it's going to happen, but it really happens.
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  Oh my God. Yeah.
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  Did that, did that thing happen with you in the same room as the
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  stone or was this on the radio? Oh, so you were you weren't even
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  the same area. 1020 miles away. Yeah, yeah.
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  And I thought that was hilarious.
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  I still do. When you walk with true power,
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  people don't believe it. They'll see it.
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  They don't believe it. One of my apprentices, we, we do
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  the stone blessing as part of the classes, the apprenticeship
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  and we're doing the, the stone blessing.
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  And I think I was 62 at the time.
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  I'm 67 now. And she's like, there's no way
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  that was real. You switched the stones somehow.
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  I said tell you what, you go do it at home.
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  And so later in the week she contacts me instead of 1 bead,
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  she's got this bracelet of beads.
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  There's like 20 or 30 beads on it.
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  And she and her doctor friend, she does the blessing and over a
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  period of a couple minutes she watches the beads go from white,
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  from pink to white. And some of them went clear.
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  And she's like Oh my God, I've got to go back and re watch all
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  the classes since the beginning of the year 'cause everything
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  you said is true. And I said, I thought you were
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  paying attention. I mean, you know, you're, you're
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  paying to be here. I bet you were taking this
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  seriously. But she's a good friend of mine
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  now. I still know her.
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  She still comes to class. And the thing about what I do is
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  doesn't it really empower me? It empowers you because when
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  your tobacco fades out of existence from your hand, it's a
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  way bigger deal than when it happens from my hand.
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  When your stone turns white and goes clear from you doing it,
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  it's way bigger than me doing it because you did it.
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  And that proves to you that spirit is real.
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  That proves to you that you have spiritual power and the spirits
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  are around you and they're listening and they're
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  cooperating. So in the native way, I don't
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  know if you other heathens do it this way, but we believe that
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  everything has a spirit, a stone, your phone, your car,
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  everything. So when you make a life out of
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  cooperating with everything that is, you have a much more blessed
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  life. So I used to be in Los Angeles
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  because I had this feeling that I was going to be on TV.
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  So I went to Los Angeles. The first month I'm there, I'm
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  on the Rob Dyrdek show, and it's the second show.
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  And they're like, we want a power animal.
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  And they called the episode Season 1 episode to get with
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  your power rental. So I get them a power rental.
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  We talk about it and there's a lot of footage they didn't use.
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  They didn't use the footage where my tobacco fades out of
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  existence. And even though they sweep up in
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  studio, you can't find any tobacco that's not in there.
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  But I said, now I've seen the way you've treated other shaman
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  on your show, and I'll tell you, if I don't like the way I look
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  on camera, the way you make me look, I'm going to make your
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  Dick stop functioning. Oh yeah, you told me about this
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  story once offline there I. Heard this, that was hilarious
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  to me. I look good on that y'all?
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  It was like. Well, we're not taking any
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  chances. The the the natives were mad at
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  me because they thought I was stealing their sweat lodge.
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  And I'm hell, I'm more native than you are.
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  You know, when Dennis Banks was on the run, he stayed at our
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  house for a couple weeks. I'm part of history.
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  He was the one that shot FBI agents that wounded me.
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  Yeah, they pardoned him later, right?
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  But not freaking history because he stayed at my house.
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  I, I know historical features and figures and you know, I'm,
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  I'm by quantum more native than most other natives out there
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  because they've been diluted with all this other blood.
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  But so they're calling me up and they're gone, you know,
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  harassing me. And so I, I finally had enough
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  after about the night call and I said, I curse you to have your
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  Dick fall off, it'll start with an itch.
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  Eight more times. I curse you to have your Dick
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  fall off. It'll start with an itch.
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  The 10th time a woman calls and she's like, how come you're
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  cursing everybody that calls you?
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  And I said you guys are harassing me.
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  When you harass somebody that walks with power, you take your
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  chances and whether he's in a good mood or not.
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  And just so you know, I can make your crotch right out too if I
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  want to. She was polite.
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  They called back and apologized. And because, you know, when you
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  talk about something or you know, important like your
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  genitalia, you're a little more invested than the next guy.
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  Yeah, you know, you, yeah, you sort of things falling off down
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  there. I mean, that commands attention.
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  No, no doubt, you know. And you know, most guys are
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  digging and scratching anyway. I can if it's still there, you
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  know what I mean? Since we were kids, practically,
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  you know. Well, will you hold on?
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  Maybe if I pissed a shaman off somewhere and I didn't know
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  about it, it might, you know? There was a podcaster that was
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  going to have a A1 day shaman one day of training and they're
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  calling them as a host, a shaman.
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  And I said not on my watch and I stopped it and they called me
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  up. The engineers like we can't get
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  our microphones to work. I said, well, you've got a real
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  shaman there one day, Wonder why don't you make her do it?
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  Ever remove what I did, they couldn't do it.
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  I said try not to piss me off with your guest next time.
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  I didn't let that go on because I have that power and that's why
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  I'm confident. And you know those sites that
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  don't like me, sometimes they run and sometimes they don't.
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  Yeah, yeah, it's an interesting thing.
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  You know, you mentioned before about, you know, how heathens
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  think in terms of the, the, the animistic beliefs, you know,
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  that there is spirit in all things and, and whatnot.
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  It, it, it is a, there are parallels within heathen
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  beliefs. And even though it's not, it's
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  I, I find a lot of similarities to Heathenry with indigenous N
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  indigenous American beliefs. And This is why I say it.
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  It's because Heathenry is a, is an indigenous European, northern
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  European, Germanic specifically belief system.
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  Prior to when, when the, that region of the world had
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  Christianity influence it, you know, so they, they had their
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  own indigenous beliefs and every region of the continent, which
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  then when they migrated N into like Scandinavia, you know,
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  those beliefs a a they, they change slightly over there.
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  And I noticed that even in we'll say like the United States or,
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  or North America, you know, not all native beliefs are the same.
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  There's similarities to things. But you know, what's, what's a,
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  what's a tradition for, let's say, you know, the West Coast or
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  for the plains is different than it is for like the watersheds or
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  the east sides of things. Like there's, there's, but, but
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  the, the, the animistic side of things, believing and, and
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  realizing and connecting with spirit in all things that I feel
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  is a almost universal belief. And in heathenry we, we see some
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  of that very same thing because the spirit of the land, the
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  spirits of the land and how they manifest themselves is talked
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  about in a lot of different sources.
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  And is even mentioned in some old Icelandic like books of, of
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  law where, you know, you don't do certain things because you
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  could upset or anger the, the land spirits or, or, or that
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  sort of thing. So I can definitely like connect
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  with talks about things like that 'cause it has become a very
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  vibrant part of, of, of my worldview.
• 23:26
  You know, when I'm, when I'm out in nature, when I'm on the river
• 23:30
  or in the woods or whatever, it's more to me than just
• 23:35
  hanging out in the woods or hanging out on the river or
• 23:37
  whatever. It's stepping into a place that
• 23:40
  is a place outside of a place. It's it's connecting with these,
• 23:44
  these beings that are, that are always there, that have been
• 23:48
  there, that take on different forms, but but being quiet
• 23:54
  enough and being connected enough to walk with them and and
• 23:59
  listen to them and learn with them.
• 24:02
  And so. It's a cooperation.
• 24:07
  Have you seen the dark Spirit? Do those exist in your
• 24:11
  heathenology? There are, there are some
• 24:16
  examples of baleful whites, you know, And when I say whites, I
• 24:21
  mean I'm spelling it, it's an old English word that means.
• 24:24
  Spirit, RIGHT? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 24:27
  So there are examples of like baleful whites or, or, you know,
• 24:31
  entities that are malevolent versus benevolent, but, but
• 24:35
  they're a bit more they're tied to certain activity.
• 24:39
  You know, you know, if, if, if there was wrong done or, or, you
• 24:45
  know, different, certain activities were done amongst the
• 24:48
  living, how that can transfer into the dead, you know, or the,
• 24:52
  after the, the, the, the, the, the form of the person or the
• 24:54
  form of the, of the, the living that is in the realm of the
• 24:59
  dead, you know, how they, they manifest and how they exist.
• 25:01
  So there's there's not really necessarily one specific dark
• 25:05
  spirit that is is like a universal term, but there are
• 25:09
  examples of such things. See, in my worldview, dark
• 25:16
  spirits are a form of spirit, but they are not an earthbound
• 25:19
  spirit, which is somebody who's lived in a meat body of a human
• 25:24
  or an animal. And if you recall that that
• 25:30
  podcast that had the engineer that was upset with me, the
• 25:33
  engineer was unkind to me and he threatened me.
• 25:38
  And I said, you know, it's unwise to threaten the shaman.
• 25:42
  If you look behind you, you'll see a shadow that just moved and
• 25:47
  that's going to follow you home. He was scared shitless, hung up
• 25:51
  on me. My friend who was talking to him
• 25:54
  also said you scared that guy so bad he don't want to talk to you
• 25:58
  ever again and I said well you shouldn't threaten the shaman.
• 26:03
  I command spirits light and dark and they do what I tell him to
• 26:08
  do till I tell him to stop doing it.
• 26:12
  Yeah, well, there's a like you said, it's a cooperation.
• 26:15
  And when, when what I've come to learn is when you spend time
• 26:23
  with spirit, it's, it's not, it's not love and light.
• 26:26
  It's not, it's, it's, you know, it's as diverse as the world
• 26:30
  around us that we can relate to, that we can see there's, there's
• 26:33
  good and there's bad. There's benevolent, malevolent
• 26:35
  and benevolent. There's dark and light.
• 26:40
  You know, there's that. And neutrality.
• 26:43
  Yeah, exactly. There's that too.
• 26:45
  Like it's, it's, you know, you look at just put the forces of
• 26:48
  nature and you see it manifested in, in, in that simple sort of
• 26:51
  way, same thing. And that's in in spirit now.
• 26:56
  I wanted to clear something up and when I say that I command
• 27:00
  spirits, I do, but I'd rather cooperate with the spirit.
• 27:05
  So I will ask it to go and then if I don't get my way I'll
• 27:12
  command it. But I will ask them why they
• 27:15
  don't want to and if I agree with it then I won't.
• 27:20
  But I've only had to command a spirit a couple times, and that
• 27:26
  was an evil spirit that was bothering someone.
• 27:31
  That's I can just generally ask when, Hey dark spirit, I need
• 27:35
  you to go teach this guy a lesson.
• 27:36
  Go do it for me, please. And they'll go do it.
• 27:39
  I don't have to to force him now.
• 27:42
  I haven't seen the dark spirit since, gosh, 1998 because they
• 27:53
  run from me now. And the only reason I know that
• 27:58
  is because my second wife was waiting for me in the car.
• 28:02
  It was after dark and I was dropping off something at my
• 28:06
  neighbor's house. She was warming the car up and I
• 28:09
  get back to the car and she goes, did you see that dark
• 28:12
  spirit? It was huge.
• 28:13
  It was bigger than the bear. It was like, you know, 8 or 9
• 28:17
  foot tall hulking beast zooming out of the way and then you come
• 28:21
  walking around the court like nothing.
• 28:25
  And I said, well, I didn't know they were afraid of well, but I
• 28:30
  have this theory about spiritual light, that the more spiritual
• 28:35
  you are, the more powerful the light.
• 28:38
  And because that light is so powerful, dark spirit does not
• 28:42
  like light. And in spiritual light, it
• 28:44
  hurts, it burns, it makes it run.
• 28:47
  And some people that are very spiritual, when they're walking
• 28:52
  or when they're driving, we'll come across those photoelectric
• 28:56
  lights that go off and on with daylight.
• 28:59
  And because their spiritual light is so bright, it'll fool
• 29:03
  that photoelectric light into turning off until they get out
• 29:07
  of range and then it'll come back on.
• 29:10
  And my mom was visiting me and and I said, we're going to the
• 29:16
  market. And I said, listen, there's this
• 29:18
  one light over there that's going to go out when I get out
• 29:21
  of the car, because it always goes out when I get out of the
• 29:23
  car. And then when I get under the
• 29:25
  awning over there, it'll come back on.
• 29:27
  And she goes, stop talking such nonsense.
• 29:31
  I said, OK, just watch it. She gets out of the car.
• 29:34
  I said, look, it went out. Nothing.
• 29:37
  So we go under the awning and I said, look back.
• 29:40
  It's on again. She says, I don't know what
• 29:42
  you're doing, but you need to stop doing that.
• 29:44
  I said I'm just being me, I'm not doing anything.
• 29:49
  Yeah, and just existing. It took me a while to figure out
• 29:52
  what that was. And but the things that we do
• 29:57
  scare people, especially knowing that you know that there's a
• 30:03
  respect element involved. And I, I have a saying, be kind
• 30:07
  until it's time not to be kind. Be smarter than you were
• 30:12
  yesterday and be calm in everything you do because you
• 30:17
  make better decisions that way. And that should tell you that
• 30:21
  I'm not going to take your shit for very long before I do
• 30:25
  something, or the spirits that surround me might not like what
• 30:29
  you did and they'll do something to you.
• 30:32
  Yeah. And I, I think that me trying to
• 30:36
  be kind as often as I can prevents a lot of that needless
• 30:42
  discipline that Spirit Nation will dish out.
• 30:47
  Because your whole, you know, your, your lover will leave you,
• 30:52
  your Dick will stop working, your money will stop coming in.
• 30:55
  All kinds of weird crap will happen.
• 30:57
  It's like you have unlucked now. Life doesn't work for you
• 31:01
  anymore. And a lot of times I, I see
• 31:06
  people that come at me and then they just disappear.
• 31:08
  They're gone. Don't know what happened to
• 31:11
  them. They don't bother me anymore.
• 31:12
  They're just gone, and I think that everybody has this power to
• 31:19
  a certain extent, they just don't know it.
• 31:22
  Everybody can do what I do. I'm not that special.
• 31:27
  If I were to teach you how to do the tobacco offering in the
• 31:29
  ancient way, chances are your tabatico would start fading out
• 31:34
  of existence too. And when you bless the stone, it
• 31:38
  would turn white and go clear as well.
• 31:42
  As I said, I'm just not that special.
• 31:44
  I just know stuff you don't know.
• 31:47
  Yeah, are they are, these are the things that you're talking
• 31:49
  about 'cause these are like, I mean, the, the terms that you're
• 31:52
  using, they're, they're somewhat new to me.
• 31:55
  I mean, I know that tobacco tends to be a very, it's, it's
• 32:01
  sacred medicine. And but the stone thing, like
• 32:04
  I've never, I've never personally heard any that being
• 32:09
  like a native tradition. So is it, is it a blend of
• 32:12
  things with like native traditions and some of your
• 32:15
  personal visions and shamanic experiences or elements that are
• 32:18
  kind of being making up what you do?
• 32:22
  A a lot of the reasons people hate me is because I'm not
• 32:25
  traditional. I don't do the show.
• 32:28
  I just do the work. So don't dance.
• 32:30
  I don't sing. I don't, you know, wear leather
• 32:33
  and feathers. I don't do any of that.
• 32:35
  I I think that's just a show. It's it's ritual to other people
• 32:39
  and it's sacred to them. And that's cool.
• 32:40
  That's your heritage. You want to honor it, fine with
• 32:44
  me. I don't do it.
• 32:46
  So I would. I'm what I call a modern shaman
• 32:53
  because I cooperate with technology.
• 32:56
  And when I worked for Intel, the the computers themselves would
• 33:01
  tell me what was wrong. That whine you hear is my
• 33:04
  bearing going out in my hard drive.
• 33:06
  You should replace me within 24 hours.
• 33:11
  So I would do that. And a lot of things worked.
• 33:16
  I could do things nobody else could do.
• 33:18
  I I made a change to the way we load programs that they couldn't
• 33:24
  duplicate after I left. And they called me up and they
• 33:27
  said, how do you do that? I said, well, I wrote it down
• 33:31
  and said, we're doing that. We can't do it.
• 33:34
  I don't know the spirit of the computer, the programming,
• 33:37
  whatever was cooperating with me that allowed me to do things
• 33:41
  that you normally shouldn't be able to do.
• 33:46
  And that's a perk. Like when I wanted to go to
• 33:50
  Disneyland, my apprentice that was going with me said it's
• 33:54
  going to rain today. I said great, there'll be less
• 33:56
  people there. So we're driving from Topanga
• 34:00
  Canyon down to Disneyland, you know, about 45 minutes an hour
• 34:03
  drive. My lane of traffic is totally
• 34:07
  clear on either side of me. There's traffic wall to wall,
• 34:11
  but my lane empty above me and I'm I'm riding in my Mustang
• 34:19
  convertible so you can see the sky and above me there's this
• 34:23
  big 5 mile circle of clear sky and it followed me and stayed
• 34:28
  with me all the way to Disneyland until 12 O1 when it
• 34:33
  started to rain. Twelve O 1 is when Disneyland
• 34:36
  closes at midnight and we're we're on our way out.
• 34:41
  She's like, I can't believe you did that.
• 34:44
  I said I didn't do anything. All I did was want this.
• 34:49
  I just wanted a good time and I got it.
• 34:54
  Is that wasting spiritual power? I didn't use any spiritual
• 34:57
  power. Right.
• 34:58
  You didn't consciously try to, you know, pray to the rain to
• 35:02
  stop or the sun to shine or anything like like that, that
• 35:05
  you're saying? No, I didn't, and I didn't make
• 35:08
  the traffic get out of my lane either.
• 35:10
  Yeah, yeah. But I don't do that all the
• 35:16
  time. I've been stuck in traffic like
• 35:18
  everybody else. And, you know, there's all those
• 35:20
  butt heads that are like, I'm going to cut you off because I,
• 35:23
  you know, I need to be in front of you.
• 35:26
  And I'm like, OK, I think you're going to get a ticket within 2-3
• 35:31
  miles. I see him pulled over on the
• 35:33
  side of the road getting a ticket.
• 35:35
  Right. Play stupid games, win stupid
• 35:36
  prizes like. You know, I, I have seen because
• 35:40
  I was playing with it. There were, there were slow cars
• 35:44
  in front of me on a, you know, A2 lane highway.
• 35:47
  And I, I said to him, you need to turn right.
• 35:49
  You need to turn right. You need to turn right right
• 35:51
  now. And they'd turn off in this dirt
• 35:54
  road and they'd go about 100 yards and they'd slow down.
• 35:57
  Like, why the hell did I turn right?
• 36:00
  It's a suggestion. And somehow they heard it and
• 36:06
  they did it. And I, I, I try not to play
• 36:11
  around with free will because I think that's bad.
• 36:14
  Yeah. But while I was learning to do
• 36:16
  it, I didn't know I could. I was just like, you need to
• 36:20
  turn right right now because you're in front of me and you're
• 36:23
  going 25 in the 55 zone. You know what?
• 36:26
  Do you, what do you think that what do you think that power of
• 36:34
  persuasion? Maybe you say, 'cause you said
• 36:37
  before that you know you're nothing special, that everybody
• 36:40
  has this ability within them. It's just that they haven't been
• 36:43
  taught that or they don't, they haven't learned that.
• 36:46
  Where do you think that power of persuasion comes from?
• 36:49
  Well, while I was at Pine Ridge, the medicine man there said I've
• 36:55
  been testing you for 10 days and you do everything in the ancient
• 37:00
  way. I believe that you were your
• 37:04
  grandfather reborn with all his powers and knowledge, and that
• 37:08
  when you need it, it comes to you.
• 37:11
  But there have been things that I've been doing that no shaman
• 37:14
  do. Very few of them will turn the
• 37:18
  stone white or clear. Very few of them will have
• 37:24
  immediate healing. I have seen wounds close.
• 37:30
  I've seen cancer go away. I, I've seen the energy transfer
• 37:36
  from my hands, make a blister on my hand because it was so hot.
• 37:41
  And then when I'm done, there was this, this white ash on my
• 37:44
  hand because the heat was so intense.
• 37:47
  It turned that blister into ash. And then when you wipe it off,
• 37:50
  there's brand new baby skin under it.
• 37:52
  Because I was healed as they were healed because the energy
• 37:56
  passed through me. I was a conduit.
• 37:59
  It's not my energy to heal them. I tap into this divine energy
• 38:03
  that heals them because I, I had, I had one native lady was
• 38:09
  so mad at me, said how dare you change the color of a rose
• 38:13
  quartz stone. And I said, what?
• 38:16
  How wonderful of you to think that I'm not powerful, that I
• 38:19
  can change the stone's color. It's a cooperation between the
• 38:23
  stone and myself. If it accepts the blessing, it
• 38:26
  gathers, stores, and bestows the free energy of the universe in
• 38:30
  infinite measure. And as it takes on that energy,
• 38:33
  its molecules realign so that it's no longer reflecting pink
• 38:37
  or white. But it goes clear because it's
• 38:39
  full. But thank you for thinking that
• 38:42
  I'm that powerful. So in in that breath, I demeaned
• 38:47
  her because she didn't really mean to give me that power, you
• 38:53
  know, thinking that I could do that.
• 38:54
  But she did. And, and I humbled her by saying
• 38:59
  it's not my power. It's a cooperation.
• 39:01
  It's it's cooperation between spirit and had you known that
• 39:06
  you wouldn't accuse me of having a power I don't have because
• 39:09
  you're ignorant. You weren't taught properly.
• 39:13
  Yes, it's almost like they're they're they're associating the
• 39:16
  ability with the individual rather than crediting it to the
• 39:23
  universe and the exist and and the energy that is flowing and
• 39:26
  and and freely passing in through and around us.
• 39:31
  It's like they they they they think that it's coming in it
• 39:33
  that it's generated from a from an individual or from a person
• 39:35
  rather than that it's just being like you're just being as a you
• 39:39
  say before that use as a conduit.
• 39:43
  I've had experiences minor to that, but with with Heathenry, I
• 39:49
  don't know if you've never heard of like casting runes or using
• 39:53
  runes stones as like a form of divination.
• 39:58
  Yeah. And so I I've provided that a
• 40:02
  service for several for several years that I don't really like.
• 40:07
  I don't do it long distance because I believe that I need to
• 40:12
  be. I don't want to.
• 40:13
  I don't want to. Diminish the, the, the, the
• 40:18
  power that I believe there is in the, the cosmic power that the
• 40:22
  runes contain because they are cosmic, they, they are, they are
• 40:26
  sounds. They are, they are symbols of,
• 40:29
  of, of things that are so old and so ancient that I need to be
• 40:32
  face to face with somebody in the same room with somebody in
• 40:34
  the same vicinity with someone for the thing to work.
• 40:37
  But when I'm with those people and when those things are
• 40:40
  happening, they become amazed and, and, and shocked or even a
• 40:45
  bit alarmed in some cases about like, what are you, what is
• 40:49
  going on here? And I, you know, I've explained,
• 40:52
  I said I'm, I'm just the messenger.
• 40:54
  I'm just the one that is delivering the news and I'm
• 40:58
  reading things. But I'm also being, I'm being
• 41:00
  given information not just from, you know, my ancestors, but from
• 41:03
  your ancestors because you're here.
• 41:06
  And so we're sharing in this exchange and all of these things
• 41:09
  are happening. And this is what makes what is
• 41:10
  going on here work. You know, I can't really
• 41:15
  replicate that through a screen or over a phone call.
• 41:18
  There are rare times and rare occasions where I've made
• 41:21
  exceptions for people who I know who I'm very close to.
• 41:24
  And, and the energy the power does does transfer through to
• 41:31
  them. And, and there's things given to
• 41:33
  them and given to me as well. There's again, there's this sort
• 41:36
  of exchange of things happening, you know, so it is always
• 41:42
  interesting to though to to be in the presence of people that
• 41:47
  think that the thing that they're experiencing is because
• 41:50
  of the individual. It's like I'm just the conduit.
• 41:54
  I'm just, you know, the messenger.
• 41:55
  I'm just the one that's connected in such a way to be
• 41:59
  able to decipher these types of things, you know?
• 42:05
  I'm a reader on keen.com, you know, not the shoe store, but
• 42:10
  the Psychic Network. I've been on there since 2008
• 42:14
  and I've got a pretty high rating.
• 42:16
  And what I'll tell my client is when you're speaking, I hear
• 42:21
  another voice that answers your question.
• 42:24
  And I'll tell you what they said, but don't blame me for how
• 42:27
  they said it or what they said because I'm just repeating what
• 42:30
  I heard. And I, I sometimes have visions,
• 42:37
  I sometimes have dreams and I learn things in my dreams.
• 42:41
  Every time I think I know there's, there's not another
• 42:44
  possible thing I could know, I learned something else.
• 42:48
  You talked about the divination stones, the, the rooms.
• 42:51
  And I was on my way to get some CBD in Denver and I was driving
• 42:58
  because it's only like 12 hours from here.
• 43:01
  And the light was really bright from the, from the headlights.
• 43:06
  And it, it flashed me and I went, oh gosh.
• 43:09
  And from, from that first flash, everything was brighter.
• 43:13
  The signs, you know, were very bright.
• 43:16
  And I would see this reflection in my windshield that looked
• 43:19
  like a kind of a pink Cliff with trees on the bottom.
• 43:22
  And, and this Cliff like, Oh my God, I don't know what that is.
• 43:27
  And I, I stopped at this place around two or three in the
• 43:31
  morning, this rust stop, went to sleep, woke up at dawn, and
• 43:35
  there in front of me was this pink Cliff with trees at the
• 43:38
  bottom. It was showing me where I was
• 43:41
  going to sleep at. No, you know, forecasting,
• 43:46
  divination and all that. Every time you think you know
• 43:49
  how to do something, there's more to learn.
• 43:53
  Usually I can just see it in my head.
• 43:55
  But now I learned that I could see it off a flat surface.
• 43:58
  A flat, shiny surface like a windshield or water or even a
• 44:02
  mirror. A mirror, I was going to say
• 44:03
  like, almost like a, a reflection in a way.
• 44:05
  Like a yeah. Well, I've got time for another
• 44:12
  question. Then I got to rush off.
• 44:14
  OK, great. Well, this has been great.
• 44:16
  So I do want to just your your website is walks with
• 44:21
  thunder.com and you do offer a wide variety of of services.
• 44:28
  I think I've seen some things on there with regards to, you know,
• 44:33
  energy manipulation, dream walking.
• 44:36
  Are these accurate things or am I just remembering something
• 44:39
  else? Dream walking is the ability to
• 44:41
  walk into somebody's dream or to buy locate there.
• 44:46
  But you have you do offer teachings on this, right?
• 44:50
  I teach people how to do that. Yeah, some people get away, some
• 44:54
  people take, you know, a year or two.
• 44:56
  Yeah, Yeah. I guess my question though is so
• 45:00
  on things like, you know, dream walking or you know, shape
• 45:04
  shifting or any sort of like any energy manipulation tactics or
• 45:08
  or or methods, which of them have been probably the most
• 45:14
  transformative for you personally if you have like a
• 45:18
  specific case or example of such things?
• 45:23
  I needed or I thought I needed to have more people in my
• 45:26
  classes. And so I went to bed thinking
• 45:30
  that I had a dream that I was at this meeting with witches.
• 45:35
  And I told him how cool it was to be shown and that my my
• 45:38
  necklace had been blessed by all my students.
• 45:40
  So it was a very blessed object. And afterwards I went and I had
• 45:44
  pizza and root beer with this really nice strawberry blonde
• 45:47
  girl. She was talking and I said, hey,
• 45:49
  come on to my class, it's over here.
• 45:52
  And a week later she showed up in my class and I said, I'm not
• 45:56
  trying to come on to you, but you look like somebody I know.
• 45:59
  She said, course, you're at our coven meeting over in five last
• 46:04
  week you told everybody how cool it was to be Shaman.
• 46:07
  We had pizza, we had root beer. You invited me over.
• 46:13
  Just wanting something makes it happen.
• 46:16
  That has made the difference in what I do.
• 46:19
  If I want it bad enough, it's coming.
• 46:22
  Like I wanted to be on TVI was on TVI wanted to be on TV again.
• 46:27
  I was on the series Cursed on biography channel.
• 46:32
  Anyways. Hey, I got to go.
• 46:34
  All right, Andy, it was great having you on the show.
• 46:36
  Thank you very much. Thank you for having me.
• 46:39
  All right, have a good one. Bye.
• 46:49
  All right, folks. I got to be honest, that was a
• 46:54
  lot in a relatively short period of time.
• 46:57
  I wanted to ask a bit more from Andy, but in respect of his
• 47:02
  time, in respect of, of his life, I mean, he is a, a busy
• 47:06
  guy and has a busy schedule from the sounds of it.
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  So if you want to know more about him and, and about what he
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  does, there's going to be some links down below.
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  So walks with thunder.com is his website.
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  He's also on Facebook as walks with Thunder Shaman, I believe.
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  So those, those sites will be annotated in the, you know, in
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  the show notes or not in the description.
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  So I'm glad I got the time. So, Andy, if you catch this and
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  listen to this, whatever. Thank you for your time.
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  We'd love to maybe have you back on the show another time to, to
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  get into more, some more things perhaps.
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  Yeah, folks, there's, there's your, there's your episode for
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  the week. So check out walks
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  ofthunder.com, head over to his Facebook page.
• 47:59
  He's, he's always sharing some between him and his, his social
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  media team, I think is, I don't know if it's his wife or whoever
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  else is contributing to the content that they share on their
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  social media. It's quite often quite inspiring
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  and thought provoking. So, and it gives you a little
• 48:17
  bit of a different view on things, you know, stuff that can
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  be applicable to your own spirituality, which is really
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  what this all is, you know, whether it's heathenry or any
• 48:27
  other sort of paganism or just spirituality in general.
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  Like you don't have to get caught up in the, the minutiae
• 48:34
  of a title if you don't want to. So that was a great episode.
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  I, I enjoyed talking with Andy. So Andy, if again, if you listen
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  to this, thank you for your time and thank you all again for
• 48:46
  tuning into this week's episode. Hope you enjoyed it.
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