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NFL Week 12 DFS Takedown Breakdown | November 25, 2024 | DraftKings DFS Lineup Review and Analysis · Daily Fantasy Sports by Ship It Nation

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  Speaker 1: Tyler Tambaline here aka Totagging Tambo back for another edition
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  Speaker 1: of the Takedown Breakdown here on the Ship of Nation
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  Speaker 1: going to break down all things from the week twelve
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  Speaker 1: main slate the Milliemaker winners. Look at some of the
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  Speaker 1: prize pools. Awesome O was up there, A name that
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  Speaker 1: you guys know, our guy jay Banneck was up. They're
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  Speaker 1: going to look at his lineup and go through something
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  Speaker 1: there that I saw. Got a bunch of good lineups
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  Speaker 2: week twelve, right, some of our members have crushed. It's
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  Speaker 2: So looking forward to that. But we got a nice
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  Speaker 2: didn't have the best week twelve, it's not over yet, right,
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  Speaker 2: So it's got one tonight and a huge.
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  Speaker 1: three game slate show for Thanksgiving. But I just looked
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  Speaker 1: There's the Chicago Bears at Minnesota. I'm looking at my
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  Speaker 1: Atlanta at Las Vegas. That's gonna be the Monday December
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  Speaker 1: sixteenth two games slate. Then Saturday, December twenty first is
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  Speaker 1: a two games slate staggered Houston at KC and then
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  Speaker 1: Pittsburgh at Baltimore. And then of course we got the
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  Speaker 1: Christmas Day staggered slate where you got KC at Pittsburgh
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  Speaker 1: and then Baltimore at Houston. So get used to the Ravens.
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  Speaker 1: Another thing we're breaking down because the Ravens are tonight
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  Speaker 1: as well. So there's three slates there that are their
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  Speaker 1: showdown or short slates with the Ravens also tonight, the
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  Speaker 1: Ravens playing the Chargers. They are on three of the
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  Speaker 1: I think one of the biggest leaks that DFS players
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  Speaker 1: the full puzzle till the results on Sunday. Still the
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  Speaker 1: better idea of what you might like in a lineup,
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  Speaker 1: or what you're missing or why you landed here. So
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  Speaker 1: definitely think that's good. Want to give a shout out
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  Speaker 1: shut to our guy Sean Sullivan, big fifty K win
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  Speaker 1: last week and then gave it, paid it forward, gave
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  Speaker 1: for people. So thank you to Sean for that Vinnie Coach,
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  Speaker 1: sav our guy, Rob Andrew. They're always here supporting and
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  Speaker 1: talking about some of this stuff. Justin Jefferson, it was
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  Speaker 1: all Addison for sure. That was certainly the case there.
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  Speaker 1: It was very similar, by the way, and nobody mentioned
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  Speaker 1: it yet, but we put Tua on the cover. It
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  Speaker 1: was John hus Smith until it was Wattle, and it
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  Speaker 1: was never Tyreek of course. So a lot of those lineups,
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  Speaker 1: which we'll get to in a second. And the last
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  Speaker 1: one I saw was that I wanted to bring up
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  Speaker 1: was sometimes Mahomes just pissed me right off. Aga Again,
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  Speaker 1: I didn't get to it. I told you if there
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  Speaker 1: was ever a week with the Kareem Hunt leverage, I
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  Speaker 1: guess I should have thought about this better. This show's
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  Speaker 1: about learning and reflecting back. I was never getting to Mahomes.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not getting into that. Guess what two touchdowns to
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  Speaker 1: Noah Gray, congrats if you had that others did. I
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  Speaker 1: think that's awesome for them. But I'm saying it, like again,
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  Speaker 1: I can't if I'm not doing Mahomes' needs, it should
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  Speaker 1: also worry me that, okay, Like you know, if I'm
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  Speaker 1: knowing that it's a good week to play Mahomes even
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  Speaker 1: though I don't play, and I'm fine with that. It's
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  Speaker 1: because it's to leverage Hunt. If I'm knowing it's a
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  Speaker 1: good week to leverage Hunt, maybe I should have dialed
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  Speaker 1: back my exposure to Hunt. It's not results. Sorry, that's
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  Speaker 1: my thought process of how I think about it. So
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  Speaker 1: what do you think about that? Because that's where we
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  Speaker 1: can start it off and then we'll roll from there.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I just thought I thought that was good. You
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  Speaker 2: can apply that same kind of thing right to Arizona. Right.
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  Speaker 2: Everybody wanted to make Kyler Stacks work with Marvin Harrison
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  Speaker 2: right at his lowest price point of myself included it.
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  Speaker 2: Totally forgot about Trade McBride, the leverage I came with
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  Speaker 2: him at the position not results oriented, but only that, right,
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  Speaker 2: James Connor leverage as well on that same team. So
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  Speaker 2: just a lot of that kind of stuff, right, And
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  Speaker 2: and I'm with you there on the on the Hunt stuff. Right.
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  Speaker 2: I loved Hunt, but I took your plays and I
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  Speaker 2: actually made a Milli team with the Mahomes double stack
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  Speaker 2: of Hopkins and Worldly to leverage the Kelsey ownership and
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  Speaker 2: the Hunt ownership and just hey, if it goes that way,
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  Speaker 2: it's just my only Mahomes team and hopefully it pays
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  Speaker 2: off for the biggest uh right or right, the biggest prize,
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  Speaker 2: and it just didn't. So yeah, that's definitely a lesson
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  Speaker 2: to be learned is sometimes you can be on the
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  Speaker 2: right spots right, just like last week, right on all
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  Speaker 2: the right stuff, but the wrong plays, but just using
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  Speaker 2: that into your process more of Okay, if those plays
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  Speaker 2: aren't going to pay off and I'm a little bit
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  Speaker 2: lower on those, or if I'm going in on them,
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  Speaker 2: how can I also leverage my portfolio a different way
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  Speaker 2: but still play good plays in those games? There's a
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  Speaker 2: reason I'm targeting those game environments, right, how can re
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  Speaker 2: restructure that to account for a different angle if that
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  Speaker 2: game does go that way? Right? Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, great call on that. Let's look at this
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  Speaker 1: perfect lineup. I'll let you take it over. I would
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  Speaker 1: say it wasn't as I guess it kind of was.
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  Speaker 1: It wasn't as bad of a you know, in the
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  Speaker 1: right place the wrong guys, because you know, certain stuff
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  Speaker 1: just wasn't happening either way, and it's not like Hunt.
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  Speaker 1: And then you get to gray, like, how do you
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  Speaker 1: make that sort of correlation. If you got there, by
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  Speaker 1: all means congrats to you. It's a great spot. There
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  Speaker 1: was some coach speak out there. I think it's a
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  Speaker 1: coach speak index on X and he's got a good account.
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  Speaker 1: I use it for he or she I don't actually know,
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  Speaker 1: but I just use it for some of the tidbits.
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  Speaker 1: Sometimes they're looking through it. And there was talk about
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  Speaker 1: the coaches and Naggy mentioning Gray. But again, to get
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  Speaker 1: to that and put it into your lineup, I just
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  Speaker 1: don't think a lot of people got there. We know
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  Speaker 1: they didn't because of the percentage. But let's look at
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  Speaker 1: this perfect lineup, nads. I'll let you break it down.
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  Speaker 1: What do you see here? Forty eight to eight is
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  Speaker 1: the note, So there's twelve hundred bucks left. Just pump
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  Speaker 1: the defense up. It doesn't people see that? And like, well,
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  Speaker 1: I would have never got to that. You didn't need
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  Speaker 1: to put in the thirty four hundred dollars D and
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  Speaker 1: leave a couple hundred and you would have got like
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  Speaker 1: ten maybe eight less points. And it took two thirty
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  Speaker 1: three to win the twenty dollars million. When we get
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  Speaker 1: there later, I think it was two thirty three go
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  Speaker 1: ahead needs.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, So the first thing I look at is looking
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  Speaker 2: at the slate yesterday, Right, there wasn't There was definitely
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  Speaker 2: more value than the week before. So, Gabe, it allowed
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  Speaker 2: you to spend up at quarterback. And it's not just
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  Speaker 2: because Jenden Daniels was grossing highest scoring, right, bo Nicks
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  Speaker 2: did pretty good. He was more spend up. But not
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  Speaker 2: only that, Right, everybody was trying to spend down at
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  Speaker 2: quarterback because that spend the nature of the slate. Right,
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  Speaker 2: For the last ten weeks, you had to save money
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  Speaker 2: at quarterback because you didn't have value plays. Right. There's
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  Speaker 2: a reason why the Booties of the world at three
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  Speaker 2: to three were thirty percent owned, right, because people are
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  Speaker 2: just trying to make value work. Whereas yesterday it was different.
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  Speaker 2: You had Bucky Irving with the coach speak in a
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  Speaker 2: game where the Giants had just quit on the season, right,
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  Speaker 2: got Danny Dines out of there, didn't start they started
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  Speaker 2: the veto in there. Right, you just know they're punting
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  Speaker 2: the season for draft pick. How are the Bucks not
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  Speaker 2: going to come in just try and run the football
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  Speaker 2: down their throat and just absolutely smash this team? Right,
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  Speaker 2: he's five to three. Josh Jacobs. Right, he's a little
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  Speaker 2: bit cheaper than kind of those spend up those seven
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  Speaker 2: mid seven K, eight K running backs, right, Jalen Waddle,
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  Speaker 2: why can't it be Waddle? Right? This offense has been
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  Speaker 2: exploding since two has been back. They've scored over twenty
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  Speaker 2: four points four weeks in a row with two of
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  Speaker 2: back in there. Wattles at his lowest price point of
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  Speaker 2: the season. Right, it's just kind of living in that
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  Speaker 2: mid tier and not and that allows you to spend
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  Speaker 2: up at a quarterback position. Right, So just taking that
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  Speaker 2: and looking at that yesterday, you didn't need to kind
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  Speaker 2: of dumpster dive for a lot of those wide receiver plays.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: I did it myself with the New England stuff. So
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  Speaker 2: just allowing yourself to spend up at the quarterback position
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  Speaker 2: was the first time you really could have all all
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  Speaker 2: season long. And that's what you see a lot of
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  Speaker 2: the Jaden Daniels teams because people lived in the mid tier, right,
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  Speaker 2: and the mid tier still exists. Right. Everybody thinks you
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  Speaker 2: got to go up or you got to go all
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  Speaker 2: the way down. And oh, if I just get these
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  Speaker 2: three studs in my lineup that are eight K plus
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  Speaker 2: and if they go off for thirty. I'm minted, right,
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  Speaker 2: but then they realize they get one point four from
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  Speaker 2: from their punk guys and it just doesn't work. So
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  Speaker 2: that's the first thing I noticed. But this lineup actually
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  Speaker 2: isn't the craziest play in the world, right, You guys
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  Speaker 2: talked about it on the Sunday Show with the Chicago receivers, right,
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  Speaker 2: could have had could have slotted in Keenan Allen in
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  Speaker 2: here who also had a big day, right, Keenan DJ Moore,
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  Speaker 2: the Jordan Adison stuff, right, So obviously people were going
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  Speaker 2: to that game environment grabbing the two number ones. There
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  Speaker 2: are two wide receivers right in the same game. I
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  Speaker 2: like that the Josh Jacobs stuff leveraging the Jordan love stacks,
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  Speaker 2: and that that game environment also on the other side
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  Speaker 2: of Christian McCaffrey, who people were trying to spend up
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  Speaker 2: and make work on the other side of that game,
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  Speaker 2: the Cortland Sutton play DraftKings just doesn't price this dude
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  Speaker 2: over six K and he scores thirty Fantasy points every
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  Speaker 2: week because bo Nicks is actually good at football and
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  Speaker 2: he's getting this dude the ball and he's living in
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  Speaker 2: that mid tier. So overall, I think a lot of
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  Speaker 2: good plays on this lineup is somebody probably getting totally
• 14:05
  Speaker 2: to this. No, but you didn't need to to your point, right,
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  Speaker 2: you spend up one thousand dollars to the Dolphins D
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  Speaker 2: or a little bit more to the Texans D or
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  Speaker 2: the Seahawks something like that, right, and you leave much
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  Speaker 2: less money on the table or the Packers D to
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  Speaker 2: correlate with Josh Jacobs. Right, Yeah, and you have a
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  Speaker 2: much more quote unquote lineup that makes sense, right for
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  Speaker 2: all the people out there that say, no, no way
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  Speaker 2: you could get to this. But overall a lot of
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  Speaker 2: these plays did show up in a lot of these
• 14:33
  Speaker 2: winning lineups, so it wasn't as crazy off the wall
• 14:37
  Speaker 2: is what we've seen in weeks past, for sure.
• 14:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and you could have done all kinds of you
• 14:40
  Speaker 1: good had Schooner, you know, get loses you fourteen points,
• 14:43
  Speaker 1: but then you put in you put in Terry mcclauran
• 14:47
  Speaker 1: instead of Sutton, right, and then you have a little
• 14:49
  Speaker 1: bit more money to bump the d You'll still be
• 14:51
  Speaker 1: over to thirty three, and then you have a Jaden
• 14:53
  Speaker 1: Daniels to Terry McLaurin stack, You've got the run back
• 14:57
  Speaker 1: with scoon Maker, you still got the mini stack. With Addison,
• 15:00
  Speaker 1: You've got the A Chan leverage. Even though Chan had
• 15:03
  Speaker 1: a really good day, I'm just saying he obviously didn't
• 15:05
  Speaker 1: need him in this lineup. So just a quick example,
• 15:07
  Speaker 1: you bring McBride down to scoon Maker, You put Sutton
• 15:10
  Speaker 1: up to Terry mcclaur and maybe it fits Green Bay
• 15:13
  Speaker 1: d and still leaves money. That still scores very well,
• 15:16
  Speaker 1: and now you've got yourself a much more correlated lineup
• 15:18
  Speaker 1: that makes more sense. It's just were you getting to
• 15:21
  Speaker 1: a DJ Moore or Keenan Allen with Addison's secondary stack?
• 15:25
  Speaker 1: Maybe not, but that's why you want to look in
• 15:26
  Speaker 1: these places at some times. And I guess if we
• 15:29
  Speaker 1: go just back to the content over at Triviernation the Stone,
• 15:31
  Speaker 1: let's go down for a second. This spot here, so
• 15:35
  Speaker 1: wasn't the greatest projection for Addison. We obviously liked Jefferson
• 15:38
  Speaker 1: any given week that he's not gonna have any much
• 15:40
  Speaker 1: ownership at all. On the other side, though, you know,
• 15:43
  Speaker 1: Moore was popping up a little bit, and even the
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: projection very similar on Keenan Allen here. It just was
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: hard to trust him coming back and very similar ownership.
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: But again you look at the pink on this game,
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: Sneaky game. Caleb Williams, pretty good day for him. DJ Moore,
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: Keenan Allen, run it back with Addison again, not saying
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: you'd get there, but just another example of something that
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: you could get to and why the stone is an
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: important tool each week. Pass defense very bad d on here,
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: that's something you want to be looking at well, Kayleb Williams,
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: DJ Moore, Keenan Allen coming back fresh, no limitations, no restrictions,
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: fifty one hundred, fifty five hundred and forty nine hundred,
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: not a bad price. And if you can't get to Jefferson,
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: if you don't like what you've seen, that does remind
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: me of one thing Nad's like. Again. I know people
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: say okay, but I wouldn't have got to Addison. That's
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: just an example though, when you are on that stack,
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: you just see it on the stone, Now why you
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: might want to be on that stack. Sneaky game and
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: the best matchup in the Sneaky game. This is something
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: I look at with the stone. Well, the pace we
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: know that can always pick up. I'm not running, so
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: I'm not in on Swift or Roshawn Johnson if you
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: want it to be, I wouldn't fault you for it.
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: The rush defense over here, Okay, maybe what you could
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: have probably got away with yesterday playing Aaron Jones. Play
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: Aaron Jones for the best rush de But the best
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: matchup out of everything you see here was the passing
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: matchup in a sneaky game. If you landed on this
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: passing game and wanted a run back, there's at least
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: a chance that you would have landed on Addison. Not
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: saying you would, but remember we saw this reviewing the
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: show previous Needes where it was like a week one
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: of the Arizona receivers went off and you know, maybe
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: a previous time even you and I looked at this
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: on a different show, but it was how did anybody
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: get there? Well, they didn't. The only way they got
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: there they did. But the only way they they didn't
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: mean to get there. The only way they got there
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: is they chose the passing stack from the other side
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: and going back to using an optimizer shipdemizer, they got
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: something forced on the other side. I guess who got
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: forced in the guy that fit It ended up being
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: that That's how people got to Caleb Williams with Addison
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: runbacks go ahead.
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but even in this team, right, I mean, if
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: you would have got to Chijia Hockinson, who's highlighted green right,
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: one of the best plays, he's still smashed. Right, He's
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: still scored almost thirty right to mid twenties at forty
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: two hundred right at a onesie position. So yeah, if
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: you didn't have Addison, and yeah, you didn't get the
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: perfect lineup, right, but you still absolutely printed in any
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: contest you were in, even if you had a dunes
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: in there, right, he didn't score a zero. But if
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: you're going in on this stack, right, there's likely you
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: have some different iterations of you didn't just go one
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: hundred percent Caleb Williams, DJ Moore a Duneese, Right, you
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: probably had Keenan Allen mixed in. Who hey, mind you
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: if you look at the stapshare on the sheet, right,
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: eighty five percent of the snaps averaging six and a
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: half targets, you know he's heavily involved in the offense, right,
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: So just looking at that all this team passes about
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: sixty five percent of the time right against the past
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: defense of a d they're at home, right, VI like that.
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: It's a division game, right, They're going to push the pace.
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: It's good for seeding. Right. The Bears are trying to
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: revamp their season after dropping a couple of weeks in
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: a row. Right, So just things like that. Right, You
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: didn't need the addison because TJ. Hockinson highlighted right there
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: at a onesie position off a lot of the chalk
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: at tight end.
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: Also smashed solid, optimal rate, high leverage. That's a good
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: funny enough seeing Paul right here, we talked about these
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: mid range running backs him with like no ownership versus
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: the others, right at that same price, when one hundred
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: dollars more than Kareem Hunt. Not saying you'd get there.
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: You were allowed to play both. I had lineups of both.
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: I think that's fine too, And you still would have
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: got a bad number at a Hunt. And again I
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: thought Hunt was great. I played him everywhere. So you
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: take those and you move on. It didn't work out.
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: They went more passing attack. But I gave you a
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: reason why you could have scaled back. Myself included you
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: learn from it, you move on. But this one here
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: Pollard right there, another very solid solid, optimal, solid leverage
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: fifty eight hundred bucks right there, highlighted in blue for
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: the upside. Well, we got a little bit of upside
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: out of him yesterday. So just ways that you can
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: use the stone to make it happen. Let's do the
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: five pin fifty five Milli first, just because Ossimo won it.
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: Always jokes around him about because it took him forever
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: to win his first Milli maker, but he's won so
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: much along the way. So congrats to Alex there. But
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: I want to show this quickly because if you guys
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: remember last week we looked at this and Jay Gerbs
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: had won the Milli the week before last, right, and
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: then last week I think it was like a seventy
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: five k loss and everyone's like, see the money can
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: just go away the next day and then it can
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: swing all the way back again the next week as
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: in second place. So that's pretty crazy. Congrats to Jay Gerbs,
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: won the million a couple of weeks ago, finishes second
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: in the Milli just two weeks later. We're getting a
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: lot of people closed shut up to our guy. D
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: dry Hicks is another great player. Hard for a lot
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: of great players out there, but this was the winning
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: lineup for AWESOMEO. It was what we talked about. Caleb Williams.
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: You know, Awesomo lives in Chicago too, so maybe there's
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: some homersm there, But Caleb Williams, Keenan Allen didn't have
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: the Addison run back here, so it's just Caleb Williams,
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: Keenan Allen. We've seen this before, still had Kareem Hunt,
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: and look, you didn't Thinkareem Hunt was a good play,
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: Well everybody did fifty four percent, so don't be ashamed
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: you land there. It's not the result you were looking for.
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: It could have been a bigger day, but pretty no
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: one's ignoring how good of a play it was. A
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: lot of people went heavy on him for good reason.
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: Bucky Irving, solid, CD Courtland Sutton, Trey McBride, Josh Jacobs
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: and paired the d up there as well with Bucky
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: Irving thoughts on this lineup needs. It was a forty
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: dollars lineup and there was you know, one, two, three,
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: four good leverage spots and Eve McBride pretty low owned overall.
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So like anytime you use an optimizer or look
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: at sims, which I'm sure i'll smo and a lot
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: of these players have access to some sort of sims,
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: whether you believe in them or not. Right, What what
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: you kind of learned from this is once you kind
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: of go in on a stack and you know your
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: leverage to the field, right, Caleb Williams, Keenan Allen one percent,
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: four percent? Right, you know you can just play good
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: plays around that and still have some leverage built in. Right,
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: Bucky Irving eight point eight percent in a five thousand
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: entry field. Right, that's low owned. Right, that he's barely
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: anybody has him, and then pair him up with the
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: defense to even cut into that ownership a little bit
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: more on both ends. So I like this stack and
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: build a ton right, because he knows at the quarterback position,
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: who's going to get a lot more ownership, right, Anthony
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: Richardson Tua bo Nicks. Right, all those guys that are
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: slightly gino slightly more expensive than him, he saved a
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: little bit of money so he could spend up and
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: get a guy, a possession guy, and a guy like
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: Ceedee Lamb that hey didn't get there, but you brought
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: that up on the show. Right, Ceedee Lamb had what
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: like literally seven for like forty yards or something in
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: the first quarter in the first half, he can just
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: get all the PPR guys. Right with Cooper Rush. We
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: just saw it on the primetime Right, Cooper Rush just
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: looks at Ceedee Lamb every single time and just dump off.
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: So get into something like that and then just fill
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: in the good plays around it.
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: Courtland Sutton, who I mentioned earlier, just significantly underpriced week
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: after week. DraftKings just doesn't price this dude over six K.
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: And he's like one of the best wide receivers in
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: the league over the last five weeks. Right, the dude
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: is literally scoring thirty points a week. Yeah, the field
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: is starting to adjust a little bit, but twenty four
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: percent I mean early. If you look at his game logs,
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: I mean you could argue this dude should be forty
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: fifty percent owned right at that price point in these
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: kind of matchups. Right, He's playing the Raiders. The Raiders
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: literally have no defense, they don't stop any and he's
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: the wide receiver won in an offense that's proven success
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: against good teams. Right, So I just like that play
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: a ton that Trey McBride leverages the James Connor, it
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: leverages the Kyler Murray stacks, the Gino stacks on that side, right,
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: the brock Bauers, the Travis Kelcey's a little bit more
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: expensive than him. So overall, I just love this build
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: a Ton pairing Bucky up with the defense because you
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: definitely believe, right, I believe myself. I'm kind of shooting
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: myself in the foot and not getting to more. Bucky
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: not results oriented. But I knew the Giants kind of
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: quit on the season, right. There's no reason that they
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: ship Danny Dimes out mid season right and started Tommy DeVito.
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: They're not gonna try and win games, right, They're trying
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: to play for the future and try and try and
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: salvage as much as they can from that terrible contract
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: that they give Danny Dimes. They're not gonna go out
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: there and try and win games, especially against a team
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: like the Bucks who have a good defense, are proven
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: and they can just literally come in and just run
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: the ball down your throat. And Bucky could have literally
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: nuke the slate for fifty yesterday. I mean, Sean Tucker valtered,
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: there were so many things. So I just like that
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: play a Ton pairing up with the defense. Overall, amazing
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: build and a lot of good plays leveraged amongst the field,
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: even at these little bit higher ownerships.
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and this is what Vinnie saying earlier giants are
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: tanking for a pick. Certainly something you could look at.
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: The Robinson injury did hurt, for sure. Philly Fantoms says,
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: it not a great way to start the day. But
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: you didn't, you know, that's the way it goes. You
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: could have, you know, played Terry McLaurin. You could have
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: played others in that spot. A couple of things like, yeah,
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: Andrews says, a mistake I was makings forcing a runback.
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: I get it. And you know the key is to
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: like what Vinnie says here, you don't need it. Sites
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: have actually proved this sample size is always small all
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: what people are looking at when look because the NFL
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: season is so short and only so many games and
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: personnel changes and all that. But it's really just a
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: way to make it so there's less things that you
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: have to look after. Right, we just talked about it.
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: Maybe you don't get to Addison, maybe it's Hawkinson. Maybe
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: you don't get to Hawkinson. Maybe you play Jefferson and
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: then yeah that sucks or it's Aaron Jones, and it's
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: only so so, but Aaron Jones. Still, I think Aaron
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: Jones scored a touchdown and had, you know, a few
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: points there. So either way, my point would be, yeah,
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: you don't need to force it, but we know why
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: people will.
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: Do twenty four points twenty three point nine. So I mean,
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: hockey on.
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: This team would have been solid outside of Jefferson. Jefferson
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: was hard to get to anyway because the price, same
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: reason people didn't have a lot of McCaffrey yesterday, Like
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: people just didn't go up and even a Monra was
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: kept in check at least somewhat and not not overall.
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: But I'm just saying, like, it's what could have been
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: versus if it was a different slate, So got to
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: play with what the slate is at hands. Yeah, I
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: couldn't remember exactly what it was, so shout out to that.
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: And then my guy Aaron, I always circling back, starting
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: to really catch up in here and get along with him,
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: because Aaron says, we know what the men past he
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: is had more but no, Allen, And I think that
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: just brings up a good point in what we already
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: just talked about but to hit it one more time.
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: Don't look for the diamond in the rough, right, don't
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: don't let the D stand for diamond. Let the dB
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: the pass grade that you're looking at on the stone
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: and going up against this was not This was no ownership.
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: What you just showed with Osimo he played a three
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: percent quarterback and like a two two percent guy. But
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: it was one of the better matchups on the slate
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: at some of the best prices on the slate. And
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: even if you landed on DJ Moore because you felt
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: better and paid more, you still got something right. You
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: still got a good day out of them. So I
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: think that's kind of the component we're always talking about
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: and looking at, is once you go to three percent
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: and one point seven percent, put another couple of pieces,
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: use Bucky to cut into Tampa Bay, like you talked about.
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: You can get away with Hunt and Courtland, Sutton and
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: some of these other spots and it's not even high
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: ownership for the overall of the tournament, you know what
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: I mean, Like CED LAMB even you know, eighty eight
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: percent of the field didn't play CD LAMB. So keep
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: the head of mind when you're looking stuff up. I
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: don't know if you have anything else on.
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: Another thing in this build, right, is playing a CD
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: Lamb not because you know you're not running it back
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: with a Jefferson. Where most people with this kind of
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: a type build, right, they wouldn't stop at CD Lamb.
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: They would find a way to get up to Jefferson
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: to force that run back, which would a take He
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: went to won. He went to won the Millie, right
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: because he won by one point less than the point, right,
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: and ceedee Lamb outscore Jefferson by fourteen or fifteen something
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: like that. Right, So just little things like that on
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: trying to force a running back or run back on
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: a team where it has multiple options or a team
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: that you just think is gonna get crushed.
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: I did that a lot yesterday myself with the Patriots guys. Right,
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: Not results aren't to but just trying to force that
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: I build that way to get less things to go
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: my way to per Tampbo's point. But just kind of
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: looking into that a little bit more, I think is
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: another learning point that you can take away, right and
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: just evolve with the what the field and kind of
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: what we're seeing in these results.
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, trying to evolve and get better. That's what it's
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: all about. And I think you know ta. Vinny's point
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: and even now to Mike's point he brings up here
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: is it'shi you're to I think the key is to adapt.
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: Like we know, correlation is key. You want to get
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: correlation because you don't want to pick nine random events
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: and need them all to go perfect for you to
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: ship and win. Obviously, in something like a large field,
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: when we get to the twenty dollars in a second,
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: you can correlate less because you almost need more to happen.
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: And that's interesting too because when I get to a bigger,
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: higher dollars, smaller field later with our guy Jay Bannock,
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: I'm going to show off something really cool that I
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: think he did that showcases the type of field that
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: he's in. And lineup selection. How key that is right
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: being able to pick the right lineups for the right places,
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: even in this it's a five thousand person field, and
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: awesome it didn't go crazy. Caleb Williams, Keenan Allen done.
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: You know, I'm on Tampa de Man as well. Cut
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: into it, Bucky, pretty good play, lower price, gonna be
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: even lower owned here it looks good. Let me just
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: fill it him with good plays after that in good spots,
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: nothing to it beyond that, you know what I mean.
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: So you need stuff, you know, correlation is what you
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: want to look at. You don't need to run back.
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: That's the key. Even when I'm on the site plan
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: over a ship a nation, where I'm putting my ideas
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: up in that I say he can use as a
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: one off, can use as a run back with these stacks,
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: using a secondary with this guy like it's giving you
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: ideas on how you can use it. Not saying to
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: play this play. If you're playing this play, you might
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: want to think about it this way. And another great
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: point before we move on to kitdty Plume winning the
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: twenty dollars there with a different lineup, because that is
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: what was needed. You got me n Aid's I think
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: I froze up there for a second.
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah you're good, Yeah, Okay, it came.
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: Out okay, Philly Fantom's point of no Miami and still
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: one back on Owesomo's lineup. That just shows you about,
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: you know, not being afraid of some of these spots.
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: It's not that it will always again, field size matters,
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: not likely when you're getting into a big field like
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: this with one hundred and forty two thousand that you're
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: gonna get away with no Miami. Matter of fact, Miami
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: showed up everywhere, and funny enough, when we did the
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: show yesterday hoop title on myself. Our takeaway was like, man,
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: I think we even said it at the end of
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: the show live. We definitely set it after the show too,
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: but we said this spot. We spent a lot of
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: time talking about it. It just seems like this could be
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: sneaky and interesting, and sure enough, the perfect setup shows
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: up on the twenty dollars. But yeah, you don't need
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: to be afraid. You can't play every spot. You can't
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: play every player, obviously, but you also can't play every spot.
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: There was no Washington. Not only was there no Robinson,
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: which would have hurt obviously because the ownership, because the injury,
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: but there was no McLaurin leverage or anything like that
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: that we moved to instead. And then the same thing
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: goes didn't even play any Miami. Now in this lineup,
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: it's a lot different. Tua a Chan Waddle, no run
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: back right, Pisa Detroit, Jamier Gibbs Pisa, Minnesota, Addison Jacoby Myers,
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: who I said this on the show too. In the
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: high stakes, definitely gonna come in higher owned. I said,
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: there's no way I believe in these large fields he's
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: going to be twenty percent. It's just not happening. There's
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: just too many dudes around that price. So it was
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: a leverage piece there, Arizona with Arizona, I get that,
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: and then the Bucky piece here and kind of a
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: blowout for this nine points. I mean, it's enough to
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: get the job done and either way a million bucks
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: million bucks. So shout out to Kitty Plume. But and
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: got a Fantasy Football World Championship seat as well, I saw,
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: So congrats to Kitty Plume going to Nashville also, but
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: Nates take us into this line up here at the
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: two to one.
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think this was a nice build. And the
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: reason I like it is not because Wonnald nuked, but
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: the way he stacked it up right, he used Devin Achan,
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: is Tyreek Hill right? Because if Tyreek Hill is smashing,
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: there's likely a chance that a Chane's held somewhat in check.
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: If Tyreek Hill busting, there's likely a chance that a
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: Chane's heavily involved because they're both gadget type get the
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: ball at the line of scrimmage type right and make
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: plays happen. And obviously Auschen can get there on the
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: ground too, right. So it's not it's not one hundred
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: percent true, but in a way like that, and not
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: only that, you knew Tyreek Hill was gonna get steamed
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: heavy and he did right. He came in, as I believe,
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: the highest stone or second highest stone wide receiver on
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: the entire slate with a snowflake, right. So just building
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: that way in particular I liked quite a bit. Obviously
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: Auchen and Hill can get there together. But if you're
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: not playing Hill, you're throwing in an a chain who's
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: also gonna be unique in a too a stack because
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: a lot of people don't like to include running backs
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: right in their quarterback stacks. And then adding in a
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: Jayda Wade for the flop leg right you took You
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: guys talked about it heavy on the show, Right, why
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: can't it be Jalen Model shout out to our guy Scarface,
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: who nailed it right. He was all over Jalen Model
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: had him to score everything. It's a good game environment
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: to get him involved. You don't need a force a
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: runback like I said with New England, right, Jalen Polk
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: rotates in their booty, right, Kendrick Bourne, Haunter, Henry not
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: to mention, a lot of those guys are also getting ownership, right,
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: So you're chasing ownership and you're chasing plays on a
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: team that could argument could realistically on the road just
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: get destroyed, right, And that's what happened. So I like
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: that quite a bit. And then the Jacoby Myers play,
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: you nailed on it. The reason his ownership is always
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: going to be held in check is because he's attached
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: to Gardner Minshew on a team that doesn't win a
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: lot of games, on a team that is also number
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: one is Brock Bowers, right, So he just can't get
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: mega chalk, mega steam like a guy like Courtland Sutton
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: hat Ken on a similar type team, right, because he's
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: attached to Gardner Minshew and also number two option behind
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: Brock Powers on the team. So if people are going there,
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: they're going to block Bowers number one, and then at
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: a similar price point in the same game, they're much
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: more likely to go to a guy like Courtland Sutton
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: who obviously had good results too. But that's the reason
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: why Jacoby Myers just is never going to get steamed
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: huge in large field stuff, smaller field stuff. Some of
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: the sharper players are more reliant to tap into stuff
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: like that, right because they don't care. They trust the spot,
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: they trust the match up, things like that. So that's
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: the reason for that. And then obviously we hit on
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: the McBride plays and stuff like that. The junior Gibbs, right,
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: it seems like Detroit running backs. What it's like twenty
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: four games in a row that they have a rushing touchdown,
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: so you know they're both going to get there and
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: gives it so explosive. You know, this team can literally
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: put up forty points in a half. Right, So overall
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: like that, like the plays a ton, and like the
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: roster construction a lot.
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's all I said. Like the Gibbs thing was
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: the same as the Montgomery thing. I always just said,
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: wherever you land, you can just play them. And that's
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: why when we talk about using the optimizer, even without
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: playing one hundred and fifty lineups, if you see a
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: lineup like this and you're like, okay, you know Addison
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: is off the chain here like that seems crazy, but
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: I really like the rest of it, like whatever you
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: want to do. Not saying it would still win, but
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: I'm saying if you liked Montgomery instead and then wanted
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: to upgrade Addison because you didn't like that, there's not
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: much else in this lineup. If you saw it pop
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: up where you'd be like, this is wild, this is
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: completely crazy. You'd probably look at the one percent play
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: and say that seems crazy. The Arizona defense, just to
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: touch on for two seconds would have been fine. You
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: don't even have to correlate it with McBride. It's just
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: more of you landed there yesterday. If you're again, It's
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: what I always talking about. It's kind of a free square,
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: not of what the result you're gonna get. Because eleven's
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: not even high for the slate yesterday. It's fair for
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: twenty six hundred, and it's a good score. But I'm
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: just saying I always say, if you're not on Seattle,
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: you're not on JSN who's popular, you're not on Gina
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: who's popular, you're not on DK any of this stuff,
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: then why not just play Arizona? So that to me
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: was fine. Also, you missed the did you miss the
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: chat pronunciations. I'm even gonna put the Canadian spin on
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: it needs the old Canadian a the a Chan. They
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: want you to make sure you're not saying a chan anymore.
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: So yesterday Hoop got the gears. Today it's you, So
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: I put the Canadian spin on it. A Chan in there,
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: But a Chan was a good play yesterday. And I
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: liked your call about separating him more from Tyreek, like
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: almost using the double here where you're getting it for
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: twelve eight hundred for a Chan and Wattle as opposed
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: to paying almost fifteen k for Tyreek, where Tyreek's gonna
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: be an eighty yard screen or something, or a long
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: bomb whatever it might be. Or you could even take
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: an end around away from a Chan or something like
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: that where you're playing it. I think where most people
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: just got unlucky or didn't get it right yesterday was
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: it was Tua with Tyreek and John U. Smith. You
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: could have really had almost any other combination Tua a
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: Chan Smith do the old Baker Mayfield before Evans came back,
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: where it was just Baker a running back and Autum
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: do that you could have played Tua a Chan Wattle.
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: Like this lineup, you could play that is a good point.
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: I'll get to it. You could play Tua Wattle, John
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: Hu and skip over Tyreek can get a different instruction.
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: So there was just a lot of different ways you
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: could go. But one thing that really stood out to
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: me with this lineup that I thought was intriguing or
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: interesting was just a balanced build overall right, there's no Schoonmaker.
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: Everyone said, oh, everyone was playing balanced running backs yesterday.
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: They were, so why not play all the balanced wide receivers.
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: Most those balanced running back lineups had someone like Schoonmaker
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: or Henry for Cheaper in here Hunter Henry or Schoonmaker
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: for Dallas, and Schoomaker did fine. I'm just saying that's
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: what they had. So what ended up happening was it
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: bubbled up in the middle. You got to again, guys
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: that had some decent days, just not the ceiling days
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: that you needed. But you got to your Tyreeks, you
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: got to your Lambs, you got to some of these
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: other guys up there, versus you needed Wattle, Myers Addison types.
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: And of course you need the perfect storm to win
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: a million bucks. But I'm saying, even if you're applying
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: this to yourself playing one to three lineups. This is
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: another example just a balanced build over that extra stars
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: and scrubs piece that was getting added in. I also
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: want to say quick Bobby Bees brings up a good point.
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: Myself and our guide Degenerate at seventy five do the
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: first Look show every week here on the Ship at
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: Nation YouTube station on Tuesdays, and the last two weeks
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: I've just been taking notes, even on an old envelope,
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: and a lot of good takes on that show because
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: you're looking at it unbiased. I think one of the
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: biggest things, just leaving this up for a second that
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: happens is as the week goes on, it's all based
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: around ownership. Ownership extremely important part of DFS as a whole.
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: What the field is doing and exploiting that, exploiting that
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: sorry and working it to your favor and looking to
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: leverage it important. But it's not to say you could
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: that those first look thoughts have some of these exploits
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: in there. They have some of these opportunities to leverage
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: with well, I really liked Terry McLaurin at the start
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: of the week, or I like the Chicago pass offense.
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: You find out at the end of the week it
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: turns out nobody's on it. Still nobody wants to go
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: up against the Minnesota secondary this week. All right, well,
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: I'm just gonna play DJ Moore and Caleb Williams. I
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: didn't even get to Keenan Allen who ended up being
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: the guy, or you know, was kind of an of
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: all of them. But just saying, you still got to
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: something that was different because of your first look. So
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: don't throw those away. Those are still good thoughts. See
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: how you can use them to your advantage at the
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: end of the week. That would be the note that way. Yeah,
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: so I like that call the chat gut you said,
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: you get enough of that in the NHL streets. It
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: is what it is. I was laughing at its pronunciations,
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: but try and pronounce them right. It's people's names. If
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: someone calls me Taylor, I might say, oh, it's Tyler. Actually,
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: you know, that's that's me. But these names, some of
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: them are they'd be tough at times. So we will
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: try and get them right for you guys as much
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: as we can. But I think that's important. Anything else
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: on this one needs you want to talk about before
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: you move on.
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, just the thing about that Josh brings up the
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: five K mid tier range in wide receivers, because if
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: you look at the five K range I talked about
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: Courtlet Sawton, he's been in the mid tier every single
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: week and he's been smashing.
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: It's not because his results are snowflakes. Right, He's literally
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: got a flaming moji the last five weeks. Right, Calvin
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: Ridley wide receiver won in an offense that throws the
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: ball to on right throw Westbrookakini who scores every week,
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: blah blah, Kelvin Ridley in the mid tier, DJ Moore,
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: who's been an absolute beast in years past, in an
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: offense that throws the ball a lot right in the
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: mid tier, Right, you got guys like DeAndre Hopkins, right,
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: Jalen Watto, Pittman, guys that can just literally value their
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: way there. And then you got a guy like Jamison
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: Williams who results aside, right, didn't get there, but he's
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: he's six K and can literally flip the slate on
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: his head in one play. Right, So just kind of
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: looking at that and just realizing, Right, you talked about
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: it right with Petty talking about the NBA, Right, people
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: forget about the mid tier so often, and it's not
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: to say, right, oh, the mid tier is trash all
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: year long. These wide receivers, especially on these kind of
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: crappier teams, right like the Jacobe Myers right teams that
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: people don't want to play a lot, right Denver right
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: Suttons things like that, where their wide receivers are just
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: priced in the mid tier because it's just the way
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: the slate shakes out, right. They don't have the massive
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: team totals of like the Texans or the Chiefs or
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: the ray and stuff like that, so the pricing all
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: algorithm just prices these guys in the mid tier, right.
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: So I wanted to hit on that too, for sure.
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: I love that, and you know, just to go here,
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: Kitty Plume four lineups put them in a couple different places.
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: Won the FFWC ticket and the Millie. But talk about
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: ROI nine hundred and ninety nine, nine hundred and twenty
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: bucks on the eighty bucks in So I think that's
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: another thing people think when we bring this stuff up.
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: It's like, well, they've got a you know, everyone just
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: assumes the winner of the million Maker has one hundred
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: and fifty lineups that just came out of a pool
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: of one fifty. It's not always the case, right, that's
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: kind of the setup you want to look at. Here.
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: This is the best ROI, so it's obviously the best
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: finish is so top heavy one two twenty max player three,
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: Max player fifteen one. I mean, yes, there's some one
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: to fifty. Shout up to my guy Eddie one eight hundred.
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: Eddie always dialed in. But just you know, you don't
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: always need that, So you still need to think of
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: these concepts when you're building out. It doesn't matter you're
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: building one or one hundred and fifty teams. This is
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: the thoughts you can have. And Jacobi Meyer is a
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: wide receiver one for fifty one hundred. You just said it.
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: Maybe Waddle and Addison are twos, and even Waddle could
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: be figured for a you know three because of a
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: chan being a receiver, but you're allowed to play both.
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: You know, maybe Addison could be figured for a three.
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: Probably shouldn't with what he's been doing lately. But because
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: Hawkinson's back, and Hawkinson does get a bunch of gear.
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: All right, Well here's the thing. Were you playing Hawkinson?
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: Probably not most people weren't Were you playing justin Jefferson?
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: Probably not, most people weren't. So are you allowed to
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: play Addison? Yes? And does he make your build a
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: little bit more comfortable? Some of that stuff that was
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: talked about, is you sort of cripple my team? Josh
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: also said, is a feeling you're having. So if that's
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: the case, start looking at the two v twos that
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: are doing it. When you can go schoon Maker and
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: CMC yesterday instead of Bucky irvinger McBride, that's a decision
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: that's in then. I don't know the exact math. I'm
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: just giving a little bit of an example that if
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: you go down to whatever he was twenty five hundred, right,
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: so four is thirty one hundred, you go up thirty
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: one hundred gets you to eighty four? Was CMC for
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: eighty three yesterday? Eighty five?
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: Eighty five?
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: Five? Look he at Quarterbucks though, So there's a prime example.
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: Bucky Irving and Trey McBride, two solid plays with almost
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: no ownership. Again, maybe you have to build a couple
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: of lineups. I don't know if you can't make that decision,
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: but Schoonmaker and CMC, I don't even know. Let's look,
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: let's do this exercise on here. That's what it's all about.
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: We've got you covered over a chip at nation. Let's
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: go pull this up. Schoonmaker, Neid's note this down. I'm
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: not I'm usually good with numbers, but not on the fly.
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: So let's just call it eight was his projection. Let's
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: go to Christian McCaffrey. Nineteen is twenty seven point five,
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: so you remember twenty seven point five. Now let's go
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: mcbro thirteen point eight and Bucky, so what is that
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: twenty five point eight? And what I say to you?
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: Twenty seven point five? So yeah, yeah, twenty seven.
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: Yet day one.
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: It was a difference of two points. Basically, two point
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: five points is the difference between those two And it
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: would have projected better to play where am I at
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: here on my screen? Here, to play what we talked
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: about right, to play the CMC and the schoonmaker would
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: have projected better by two points. But you would have
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: had a bunch more ownership here. And I don't know
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: what CMC actually came in at on this slate. I
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: can check that too here if I go to a
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: filter by position, running back, jump it up. He was
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: a little bit more. But if you go to tight End.
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: Schoonmaker, it was like twenty five percent or something at least.
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: Seventeen seventeen percent, so you would have you would have
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: added ownership to your bill. But either way, hopefully that
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: helps people. If that doesn't, great, I just thought i'd
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: go over that quick. Is like that is the types
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: of decisions you're looking at, And maybe that wasn't the
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: exact one, but just to show you where you can
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: see some of these swaps and you have to decide
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: if that punt makes sense if another one too.
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: Right, he could have droped Gibs down to Montgomery and
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: Addison up to Sutton to get the correlation between Myers
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: and and Sutton. Right, he had that, he had four
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: and an R and he gets six hundred dollars from Gibbs.
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: It's not it's what seven hundred bucks top grade? Addison
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: to Sutton and have correlation there, right, and he still
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: would have won the MILLI right?
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: So yeah, how much was Sutton yesterday? Was he fifty eight?
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: Fifty eight?
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: I believe, trying to look here just so get it accurate.
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: The raiders he was fiftifty eight? Yeah, you got it.
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: So again that's just another thing. You can look at.
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: Lots of different things you can do, but we'll leave
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: it there. I just I wanted to show it because
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: I think that's important to decide. I was gonna say
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: with the Schoonmaker one is a prime example. I mean
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: with no Purty and not knowing how that offense would go.
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: And with Schoonmaker, who can be a zero or he
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: can be the fourteen late in the game or like
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: a three or four, he definitely has much more of
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: a floor. Versus McBride and Bucky into really good spots,
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: mid range price points that you know have these type
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: of numbers twenty seven and twenty eight in their bag.
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: You're gonna think at least sort of that type of
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: floor of tennis feels fair and then the upside that
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: you can get. You got to balance some of that
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: stuff too, So hopefully that helps you.
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: Guys.
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: You can look at some of these swaps and whatnot.
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: Real quick, I wanted to show Jay Bannick here just
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: to show this lineup. So this is in the Thunderdome.
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: It's a five K thirty entry, but I just wanted
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: to show off of a concept real quick that people
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: can apply obviously going back to the previous lineup with
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: the Addisons of the world at one percent and the
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: perfect nut three wide receivers all in the five k
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: range that you just hit perfectly takes a field of
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: one hundred and forty two thousand lineups, So you've got
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: to find that to make it happen. Not even close
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: to two hundred and twenty two hundred and thirty three
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: points here and Jay Bannock's second for thirty k for
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty three. Congrats again, but just look
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: at this lineup. Needs you notice anything about this lineup?
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: It avoids all of Miami.
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: It actually avoids the entire morning slate, I believe, unless
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: Green Bay.
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: No, Green Bay was afternoon too. Yeah, so no morning
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: plays at all?
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: It does it? Does it have Denver in it? Maybe
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: it has what is it? Just Denver in Las Vegas? No,
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: that was afternoon as well. Yeah, it was pretty sure. Yeah,
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: so Kyle, James Connor, Marvin Harrison, Trey McBride, Kenneth Walker
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: on the run back, five different guys. Kay, Oh he
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: late swapped into it. No, maybe he changed the afternoon
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: guys he used, but he had the lineup set up
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: for all afternoon guys. Secondary stack Jacob's Green Bay Defense,
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: another secondary stack Jacoby Myers Vilay. All these plays were good.
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: They're all double digit owned in this field, and it's
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: again it's a fifth to thirty man field, so so
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: to speak, I guess, but my point would more so
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: be talk about just needing three things to happen. I
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: need this, And it didn't fully go his way. He
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: got you know, he didn't even come close to first
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: on the points wise, but he passed everybody else who
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: had all those busts in the morning. But when you're
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: in a smaller field and you correlate more like this,
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: you can set it up for this where you're saying,
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: I just need one thing to happen. I need a
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: bunch of plays in the morning to bust. I can
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: control my own destiny. That's why I said he could
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: have changed what this lineup originally looked like with the
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: afternoon guys. Maybe had two versions of it, one for
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: more upside, one for less. We'll never know unless I
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: talked to Jay Benn. But in general, setting yourself up
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: in a field like this, specifically, the smaller the field,
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: the more you can get away with this just Needing,
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: Green Bay and Josh Jacobs. These were all plays that
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: people talked about. He just found a way to put
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: them together. It used almost the full fifty K and
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: it did well for him in the field. Again, lineup
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: selection is key. It makes sense in a field like this.
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: And again maybe he didn't trust some of those morning
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: guys and said, I don't think they'll all bust, but
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: I think maybe I'll be able to get away with
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: some of them not going off and I've got a
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: surefire out in the afternoon. Thoughts on this one, Nad's
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: before we get to the lineup reviews.
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I love it. And we talk about this
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: all the time too. Obviously for everybody out there building.
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: If you build your team right, you're not looking at
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: the start times when you're going into building in your process,
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: but you build and you look at your lineup you're like, oh,
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: I like this, It's all the guys I want. And
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: you realize, okay, they're all afternoon guys. Are all the
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: morning guys. Just throw those in the morning early only
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: or afternoon only contests as well on top of the
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: main slate. And this is a great example of that.
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: So I like this Aton and Andrew hit On in
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: the chat. Right, Cardinals scored six offensive points?
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah no six? Yeah?
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they scored six offensive points and he had Marv Harrison,
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: Connor and Kyler Murray and still almost got to the top.
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: I mean if they score and McBride they score anything
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: more than six points, I mean, he probably runs away
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: with us with this thing, no questions about it, right
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: because he's got there offense for Arizona lineup selection.
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: Very key. I know the chat's gonna be filled up
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: and probably the comments later like the guy didn't they
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: didn't do shit. I get it, and we're realists. I'm
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: saying though the skill set here that you have to understand.
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: It's a different level of understanding in a five three
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: hundred dollars buy in. It's you can apply this to
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: a lower buying. It's all about the field side. So
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: those of you out there playing, you know, sixty person satellites,
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: you could I don't give it, I don't care. Care's
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: three bucks, five bucks, nine bucks. You you only have
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: to beat sixty seven people. You can apply the concept
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: of needing less to go your way and the best
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: one that Andrews brought up, and you nail was the
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: six points throw those guys out. Yeah, he could have
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: got to a different stack there too. He could have
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: played Tua a Chan and Waddle probably, I don't know
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: the exact fitment, but it would have been pretty close,
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: because I think you go down how much was tua
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: Someone's gotta have tua fifty eight hundred gets you four
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: hundred bucks. He's got one hundred. That's five hundred to
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: play with. We're five hundred shy there, and then Harrison
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: goes down to what like fifty three hundred, So it
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: easily could have been Tua a Chan and Wattle and
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: he just smacks this field in the face and many
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: other fields and wins even more cash. It's just a show.
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: He didn't do that because he didn't need to. The
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: lineup selection is key, But you can get twenty eight
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: points out of a guy on a five point six
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: k salary when a team scores six stop just folks
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: look at the this and also games that have shitty
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: totals can go off. Tennessee scheduled to score seventeen points
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: on the day. They had that in the first quarter
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: almost and guys like Pollard and those and Nick Nick
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: Westbrook a Keene as story for another day, Him and
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: a Keena and Noah Gray two back to back rhymers two.
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: Get all the touchdowns, no matter what it seems, but
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: just showing it good plays, good spots, cheap price, fourteen points,
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: cheap price, not for the tight end position, mid range,
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: fair for who it is, and get twenty eight on
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: six points. So I was gonna show yours right away.
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: Na's let's circle back. We have times I want to
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: show some of the people that threw it out there.
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: Chooch seven zero seven to two. Give me quick thoughts
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: on this one. Naed's it was bo Nicks Sutton piece
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: of Detroit. The chalk with Hunt went back to Bote
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: or Booty Boude. I will get in, I'll get one wrong.
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: I still don't know how to say this person's name,
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: no matter what Boote is, what I'm gonna say. But
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: Bowers with the Sutton Miami piece was Tyreek instead of
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: a Chan that most were playing. Again, most played Tyreek
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: two twenty percent had Pittman in there as a piece
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: that goes with the popular Anthony Richardson and then bears
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: d thoughts on this line up.
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean a little less correlation than I typically like, right,
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: because you're grabbing a couple I mean a couple one
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: offs grabbing it. They're good game environments, right, and good thing,
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: but you still you're you're kind of trying to strike
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: lightning in a bottle right when you're grabbing that many
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: one offs.
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: No, just cut you off. It's four secondary stacks.
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: Right, like, oh yeah, sorry, it's hard to see on.
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: That run it back with Bowers. It's Boute and Hill. Yeah,
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: it's Gibbs and Pittman. I guess before I then before
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: I kick, I want to say one thing is I
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: think the only the good thing was those used in
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: these secondary stacks, which I'm I'm fine with it. Those
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: used in the secondary stacks don't need other people to
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: make it happen. Like Hunt can get there without the
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: rest of his squad. Gibbs can be the one that
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: does it all. He did get him for two touchdowns
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: and had success. Tyreek doesn't always mean it's going to
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: be toua because at his price point at just seventy
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: three hundred, you could get away with a eight for
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: one hundred and one game. That doesn't mean that and
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: Sutton Bowers Pittman and then a cheap Boote. The cheap price.
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: You can always get away with the one off, but
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: those other three can just rack up catches and not
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: need their quarterback. Go ahead, go ahead. I just thought
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: that was okay by my terms, Like I'm good with that.
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, it was just tough to see on my screen.
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: I'm just looking at the little screen shot. But outside
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: of that, I think it was good. Obviously it just
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: didn't didn't get there. But you still went in on
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: on your spots and you made him work, right. You
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: didn't just throw a Boudiet in there by himself. Right
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: results society, He's attached to the correlation there with with
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: Tyreek Hill. Right, if Tyreek Hills getting the game going,
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: it's likely that Miami or New England's got to pass
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: the ball a ton and and Booty's been been the guy, right.
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: I mean he hasn't actually been the guy, but he's
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: been the guy everybody's wanted to wanted to play right
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: the last couple of weeks. But overall, outside of that,
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: I mean, not much more to add the Bears defense.
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: I don't mind that if you ain't got any of
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: the Minnesota pieces right and they were cheap, right they were.
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: I think they were projected to be the Chalkies defense
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: on the slate, right, one of them. But outside of that,
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: I mean just looking at maybe a little bit of
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: the more of the chalk stuff, right, I don't Obviously
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: it's a pretty big field, right, eight four hundred and
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: sixty seventh, right, so you're pretty chalk focused also plugging
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: in the chalk defense. But outside of that, I mean,
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: nothing more really to add there.
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: Well, three little leverage spots down here, all five percent
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: ish eight percent on Bowers. Fine, but yeah, that was
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: other thing like fifteen in a large field is still
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: pretty pop. That's a lot of Knicks lineups you're going
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: up against. But overall, I think it's fine. I don't
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: see a lot of leaks in this lineup. I think
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: it just didn't work out. That's that's the one that
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: I see with that one. Uh Philly Fantom, who's in
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: the chat. This was another one brought up. So it
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: was it was Tua Tyreek Smith fill it out with
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: Hunt get a piece of Detroit. It had double Detroit
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: with double tight end packers D Meyers one off and
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: again this isn't a higher stakes field twenty eight at
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: least something, because look at the difference on Meyer's ownership, right,
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: twenty five percent more. I would say, you know, driven
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: by just sort of correlation and saying, let me get
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: the Miami stuff, let me get the Detroit guys, get
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: a defense against a backup. I'm good there. I don't
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: see really a ton of leverage like I mean Montgomery, sure,
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: Laporta the Detroit stuff, but beyond that, I mean even
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: John who picked up see twelve percent at tight end,
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: I mean, you're still getting a lot in there. I
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: would say that was the only sort of my takeaway,
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: there any thoughts from you on this one. And it
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: was also a manra with Laporta as well, So it
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: was basically like two teams go off, the good plays
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: hit and hopefully it gets me their thoughts on this one.
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: Needs Yeah, so he's in the chat saying he wanted
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: he wanted a lot of Miami and Detroit, which I'm
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: fine with. But the thing that I take away is
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: yesterday looking at the slate, you knew everybody stacking TUA.
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: The most common way they were doing it was with
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: Tyreek and John WHU. That's the only thing I would
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: say is just going into the slate. You knew that
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: was the most popular thing. So if you're also going
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: in on the Kareem Hunt chalk right, maybe maybe throwing
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: in an eight chan to get a little different off
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: of the Tyreek like I brought up earlier, right, because
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: you know you're playing the popular John who in that
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: stack or thrown in a wattle instead of Tyreek? Not
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: results oriented, but you know everybody that's double stacking Tua.
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: Ninety percent of those plus were with Tyreek and John U. Right,
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: that was the most common double stack. It was highlighted
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: on our stone that way. Everything right, So that's the
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: only thing I would add when you already know your
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: playing the chalk cream Hunt right with that? So I
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: mean outside of that, I think it's good.
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, this is a bit more of a roster construction
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: thing where sometimes these plays come through but still aren't
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: needed because what studs did it really get you? And
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: that is something you need to take away from the
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: slate in advance, Like if you didn't think any of
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: those guys were good, if you didn't like a Monro,
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: if you didn't like Justin Jefferson, you didn't really like
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: CD Lamb or Tyreek or any of that. That's another thing.
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: When we were talking about looking at these two v
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: twos earlier, think of that. If you didn't think CMC
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: was gonna have a big day, then your answer to
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: our twenty dollars question earlier would have been easy. You'll
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: always give up a two point projection for lower ownership
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: and for the setup like, not a chalk tight end,
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: not a twenty five hundred dollars punt, just to make
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: CMC work. Where is he gonna get you thirty five plus?
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: I mean, you gotta have some conviction there for that.
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: To other I just say, I'll just keep my lineup
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: looking better. Get me a floor of what I feel
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: like eight to ten is very likely, but I'm not
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: playing for floor. I want to see do they have
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: a ceiling? Clearly Bucky Irving and Trey McBride have ceilings,
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: especially in those spots. So I mean that to me
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: was just another takeaway from saying that to looking here
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: the good news. That's why it's nice when people are
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: in here and I like to review if they're actually
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: gonna be here. He talked about lineup selection right in
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty field. This is definitely a good
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: way to play. Like I say, you only got to
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: beat one hundred and forty nine people Miami Smashes, Detroit Smashes,
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: two pretty good spots on the slate if you go
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: look yesterday sneaky game with twenty seven point team total.
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: Again they don't mean everything. And then another spot with
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: a twenty nine point team total. I don't think you
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: did anything wrong. You targeted a good spot. It just
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: didn't end up working out for you, and in the
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: field size that you played, very comfortable with that and
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: just how you did it in general there and then
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: one more was this because Bobby's in the chat earlier.
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: Bobby was talking about the first look stuff that I
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: brought that we brought up right and going away from
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: some of your first looks. I'm curious who your first
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: looks were, if you're still here, Bobby, But just to
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: look at this one Naid's he'd sent this over. It
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: was tua a chan Hill. I think you'll talk more
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: on that. Hunt is fine, like that's the play. We
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: just plugged him in, no problem, sixty one percent in
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: this field. And then DJ moore Worthy Henry metcalf Bears.
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: I do want to get your take on this one,
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: Naids and all, I got some thoughts as well.
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so I hit on the Chan and Tyreek, Right,
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: Obviously they can get there together, but you're really looking
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: at kind of a perfect storm because they're both kind
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: of gadget plays priced similarly. Right a Chan or however, right,
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: Chat's gonna get on me there. I'm terrible with pronunciations,
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: everybody knows, but seventy five hundred, and then Tyreek's also seventy
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: three hundred. Right when you know John, who's been huge
• 57:47
  Speaker 2: part of the offense, you know Wattle's still there, right,
• 57:50
  Speaker 2: that's the only thing there. Obviously they can get there,
• 57:53
  Speaker 2: but you kind of need the perfect storm, right, You
• 57:55
  Speaker 2: kind of need Waddle not to do anything, John not
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: to do anything, and it just all runs through the
• 57:59
  Speaker 2: two gadget guys. Don't hate that. The Cream Hunt play
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: obviously the best projected to play, the highest optimal we've
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: seen all year, I think from a running back position, right,
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: So nothing wrong with that. But then the you have
• 58:12
  Speaker 2: a bunch of one offs, right with the Xavier Worthy.
• 58:15
  Speaker 2: Who if Xavier Worthy is really gonna do it? I
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: mean it's probably a high likelihood that Mahomes has a
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: massive day because Worthy is what a very low target
• 58:25
  Speaker 2: guy big a dot right home run type play. So
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: that's obviously pumping up Mahomes and stuff like that for
• 58:32
  Speaker 2: the most part, or it's attached to a guy in
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: Carolina who's pushing the pace. I would think, right, just
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: just a little bit more there, plugging in a Chalky
• 58:42
  Speaker 2: Hunter Henry not attached to to any anything or no,
• 58:46
  Speaker 2: he's Hunter. Henry was in that same game right with
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: my second yeah run back. So outside of that, I
• 58:53
  Speaker 2: mean nothing, nothing more to add on that with. The
• 58:56
  Speaker 2: only thing I would add right is DK Metcalf. He's
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: or for more expensive than Jaysn, who's been proven to
• 59:04
  Speaker 2: be able to get there without needing Gino the last
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: couple of weeks. I think that's the only thing. If
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: DK Metcalf's going out to nuke to slate, it's likely
• 59:12
  Speaker 2: if you pull up the game lodge and go to
• 59:14
  Speaker 2: stat mus and that that Gino's also slinging the ball
• 59:17
  Speaker 2: a ton at a similar price point to what TUA is.
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: So that's the only other thing thing to add there
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: is I would have preferred probably JSN not results oriented,
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: but just because the way the price their price very similarly,
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: Jason has been proven to get there without Gino, whereas
• 59:33
  Speaker 2: DK has been proven to pretty much need Geno to
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: have a ceiling game.
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and there's no real exact answer to this stuff
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: I'm about to say, but I will say your a
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: chen Hill point. I love that, Like I don't really
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: love it, but I will say what I do like.
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: And Bobby's here still, so we appreciate you is if
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: you are going to do it. I actually like that
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: you lump two in because it's like, it's got to
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: be a big day for both, and if it's a
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: big day for both, there's a good chance it comes
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: from TUA and it just ended up being instead. But
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: I think nothing wrong with that again, price wise for
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: ten seven hundred playing the two Kansas City guys, I
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: get that, But I also would think that I would
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: almost always, you know, the way I set it up,
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: most likely have worthy as leverage to an ownership this
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: big and hope that he's stealing the end a rounds.
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: Hopefully it's a short pass that he takes to the house.
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: I mean, you need, like, what are you wanting to happen?
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: He gets the short pass, takes it eighty yards and
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: falls and then Hunt scores or that I know you again,
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: That's why it's not one hundred percent right, And there's
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: no exact because you could have a scenario where Hunt
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: scores two on the ground worthy as an eighty yard
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: bomb that he catches, and then another forty yard catch
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: and run and that's a great day for both and
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: you don't even need Mahomes. I get it. I'm just
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: saying we're trying to look at it and think through this,
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: right is how does that happen? Also, I'm really looking
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: at ownership. I like cutting into it in a way
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: that I think can hurt him versus not use both.
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: That's just me. More one off is more than fine
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: at this price. The Henry one was just a way
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: to play that stack Chalky a little bit. But instead
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: of having John, you've got the trio with the Henry
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: run back. I don't mind that. Bears d fine. The
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: Metcalf one was the other one I was gonna say,
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: I just I don't like it personally. That's me. That's
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: how I build. I always associate him a lot more
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: with you know, Jim R. Chase or someone who's gonna
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: when Jamar Chase breaks the slate for three touchdowns, Burrow crushed.
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: When Betcalf has the big day, it's gonna be two
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: to three touchdowns with one hundred yards or something like that.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: That's gonna be a huge day for Gino. I would
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: have been fine even leaving the money here and playing JSN,
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: not even just about the result. It's in my slate plan.
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: I talk about it every week. JSN can just catch
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: eight balls for one hundred and ten and nothing and
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: still crush. If it's gonna be a DK day, I'm
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: trying to pair it up with what that looks like,
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: and to me, it's gonna be with Gino Again. Two
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: already had a big day at a similar Geno price.
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: So the way you set it up is actually fine.
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: There's not gonna be an exact on this. It's just
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: my sort of talking through it. And you could have
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: swapped it or left the money, or you could have
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: bumped up the bears D from a chalkier piece to
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: since I'm already going to a chalk JSN. Not that
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: DK wasn't pretty popular anyway, but if you go to
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: a chalkier JSN, maybe you go down a little bit
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: on the d two packers or something along those lines.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: We just go down because the three hundred bucks you
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: have to go up to twenty eight hundred. So little
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: things like that. But I think the lineup overall was fine.
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: It makes sense for the tournament you're in. It had leverage, leverage, leverage,
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: little chalkier after that, but you use the chalk in
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: a different way, So I'm good with it, Bobby, I
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: think you're on the right track. Here. A couple of
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: little tidbits of notes that we could put out there,
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: but it's all I got for this one. Naed's anything
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: else you got to add here?
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, Bobby. The only thing about the set Hunt,
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 2: I mean, Hunt was sixty to fifty plus percent on
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 2: for a reason, right, I mean everybody thought he was
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 2: super safe. There was no Pacheco there, right, There are
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 2: huge favorites against the shitty team, right, so don't beat
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 2: yourself up on that. It was literally the stone best matchup.
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 2: And Tamba literally said on the show, right, I'm sure
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 2: you obviously are are a member of our community over
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 2: here and you watch their shows. He said, it's one
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 2: of the highest optimals, if not the highest optimal we
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 2: be seen on the Stone for a running back fifty
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 2: seven hundred, right, So don't beat yourself up on that.
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 2: Sometimes good plays just don't get there. That's the that's
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 2: the nature of the game. Right.
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: This is certainly true too. You know, like I said,
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: I was fine with it. I had a ton of Hunt.
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: Like I was, I was probably two overweight. And that's
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: so I mentioned it off the top of the show.
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: If I really thought it's it could be. I said,
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: I never played Mahomes, but this would be a week
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: to play him because he's the cheapest he's been with
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: all those guys combined fifty It is so cheap, right
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: for everything. Also, the Carolina matchup and the big one.
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: What you should care most about is that Hunt was
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: going to be so popular. That would be how you
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: leverage it. But you don't always just have to go
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: to that next level. If you say, Okay, it's not
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: gonna be Hunt, that means it's gonna be Mahomes. Well,
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: the tricky still exists. The Mahomes reason for hashtag never
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: Mahomes is because Noah Gray two touchdowns. Other guys you
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: just never know who it's going to be in too
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: many options, But it could have made you say, maybe
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: this is a week to just put forty percent hunt
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: and if the field's fifty or sixty, I got enough
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: of them that I'm comfortable. But leaves my portfolio open
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: to more opportunities. You don't have to go to the
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: Mahome stuff because of it. You can go to a
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: little less or keeping the hunt play in check some
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: and still be overweight. These sort of optimal percentage we
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: saw over on the stone, so I thought that was
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: good and the last thing, we'll always stick around. There's
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: good stuff to talk about. I have never late swapped
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: and have zero experience there. That was another thing. Metcalf
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: just too popular there. Like again, not that it's gonna
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: save your day maybe or completely finish it out, but
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: Metcalf being that high owned in the afternoon, if you
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: did want to swap, you definitely could have went to
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: McBride for example, left a bunch of money on the table,
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: had a play that was way less owned than Metcalf.
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: Gives you an actual chance to find some leverage and
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: get your way to a min cash. Probably wouldn't have
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: because you only would have got to about one fifty five.
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: Maybe I don't know what min cash this tournament, but
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: you would have got to one fifty five. And that's
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: results oriented, but it's also process driven. It's what would
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: a late swap look like here, Marvin Harrison would have
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: been a good one that didn't work out. If you
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: want me to not be results oriented, you wouldn't have
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: had nearly the ownership, same game, same position, opposite side.
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 1: Like you could definitely late s up here when the
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: morning brought you some snowflake and some low scores.
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 2: Josh Jacobs another one if you had some salary, not
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 2: just because he scored results, right, but you knew people
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 2: were just not getting to Josh Jacobs because if they
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 2: were playing a running back in their flex from the
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 2: afternoon window is very high likelihood it's from James Connor
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 2: or Kenneth Walker on the other side, right, So just
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 2: another one there, throw out his thirty points that he scored, right,
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 2: just from a results standpoint, you knew you already had
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 2: a twenty thirty percent on Tyreek kil snowflake right that
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 2: you're going up against.
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, one hundred percent. Man, I couldn't say it better myself,
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: and I think that's the key. The other one that
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: was just brought up a couple quick was, yeah, that's
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: the problem with the again. But if you thought I
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: did this wrong, this is my review process before hopping
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: on your show today to talk to you guys about
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: this is I was still never getting to my homes.
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to say that and then play them.
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: I said, this is the thing though, if I really
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: truly felt that, I probably should have adjusted my portfolio
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 1: some for not so much Hunt, I could have played
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: forty percent Hunt or thirty five still had a good
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: number versus the field. And I think I build my
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 1: lineups differently where they're going to have some unique approach
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: to them that my lineups feel like they're in pretty
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: good shape. Where I would have been fine with that,
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 1: but I did not do it, and I'll learn from
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: it and move on. It's not the result oriented part
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: though that Hunt didn't have a great day. It's the
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: I thought Mahomes could have been good, still didn't want
• 1:06:16
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• 1:06:18
  Speaker 1: then lastly, Ortiz mentions Michael, I look at a lineup
• 1:06:21
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• 1:06:23
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• 1:06:25
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