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The Knicks have FIRED Tom Thibodeau! · NY's Sports Loud Mouth (VIDEO)

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the Game, LeBron James took shots at ESPN insider Brian
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Winhorst, who said NBA fans want less good basketball analysts
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and more league drama. LeBron and Steve Nash, who does
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the show with him, first backed at I'm Sorry, fired back at
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Windhorst, saying it's ridiculous to think basketball
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fans don't want to hear two NBA legends talk about the XS and OS
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of the game. LeBron also mentions how
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Windhorst was riding his coattails for years to find good
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content to report on or so he shouldn't be complaining.
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Wynhorst responded by saying that LeBron should be more
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focused on how he can make the Lakers roster better after their
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first round playoff exit against the Timberwolves.
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Nash also took shots at Wynhorst, saying it sucks nobody
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listens to a podcast about two guys who know nothing about
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basketball. Wynhorst has been taking shots
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at LeBron on several occasions the last few months and also
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attacked him when LeBron was going after Stephen A Smith over
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the comments about his son. Well, Brian Windhorst, I don't
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know him personally. I read his stuff here and there.
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This is a guy that likes to stir up stuff.
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And I, I like this you you like when you see an analyst come at
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a player, but you come at the most famous player in all of
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basketball. The guy that really stands out,
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owns the world. He owns the NBA, as we call it
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the LJA. And you go after him just like
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Stephen A Smith. Now, Stephen A Smith is a big
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name. So he can't end Stephen A
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Smith's career because it are, you know, Stephen A Smith just
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got a $20 million a year contract from ESPN.
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So his career is set in stone. But Brian Windhorst, his stone
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might be out with the NBA because here's the facts right
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now. LeBron James has his own
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podcast. And what LeBron James says
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usually means it has some kind of truth in the NBA affairs.
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OK, so if LeBron James says it, a lot of players would back him
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up. Kevin Durant, Steph Curry, they
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all have a love fest for LeBron James.
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He is the leader the the, the man when it comes to the NBA.
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But here's the thing, when Steve Nash, who's a quiet guy, very
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respected, not just by NBA players, but even analysts, when
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he's coming out winghorst and saying these things, there might
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be some truth to it. Now, I I don't again, I don't
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know Brian Winghorst, but I I do know this.
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When an analyst comes out of player, you got to make sure
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that you have facts, you got to make sure that there has to be
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factual information that you're going to put out there because
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if you don't, the player is going to eat you up alive.
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Stephen A Smith, he stood there and took it from LeBron James.
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He took it and he went out of LeBron James.
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As a matter of fact, LeBron James are butt buddies.
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So is Kevin Durant. What did Stephen A Smith do
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after LeBron? He went after Kevin Durant.
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These are the guys that looked up to Stephen A Smith for years.
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I've been on his show for years on first take and respect him
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very, very much. When you look at the NBA, it is
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a players league. We, we went over this and I,
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I'll say it again, the NBA players run the league.
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LeBron James has run the NBA since Michael Jordan and Kobe
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Bryant retired. This guy has been everything to
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the NBA. He's brought in endorsements
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from companies that you wouldn't even expect internationally and
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Americanly. I, I look at right now what
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what's going on here. It doesn't seem like Windhorst
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has a battle to win here. I don't think he's going to win
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this battle with LeBron James and LeBron James, he has had his
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hands dipped in everything from pizzerias to production from,
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you know, LA all over the place. Why do you think LeBron James
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went to the Lakers? Do you think he went to the
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Lakers? Because you know what?
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It's the Lakers. He couldn't give a crap about
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the Lakers organization. He went there because he wanted
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his sons to go to one of the best high schools in the country
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when it comes to basketball. And build a.
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Brand and to build his brand, not only commercially,
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internationally and when you're in LA or New York, which he
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didn't want to go to New York, as we all know, he wanted to go
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to an organization that was going to help him set himself up
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to go where he wanted to go after basketball.
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And when he went to the Lakers, how many years did he have left
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in the NBA? Probably 6.
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And what is he going into his this coming year?
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I think it's his sixth or seventh season as a Laker.
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His career is practically over and now he's sitting there with
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his podcast. And by the way, who was who was
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the the other guy on his podcast before it was Steve Nash.
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It's the Lakers coach. So JJ Reddick, he was part of
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that that mind. What's the show called?
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I'm sorry, mind the game, mind the game, mind the game.
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So you're seeing all these, these guys, including, you know,
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I, I just saw something, I forget who was doing it.
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Who's the other guy that's doing?
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Everybody's got a podcast now. No, there's a podcast on.
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I can't believe it's pretty good.
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No, it's a Laker podcast. I've been watching it a lot and
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I can't, I can't, it'll pop into my mind.
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But he gets a lot of Laker players on the show.
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And LeBron James was on the Lakers.
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He was on the show recently and he was going, he was attacking
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so many different analysts and former players that have been
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opening their mouth. And I got to give a shout out to
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a guy that's been on this show, Tim Hardaway.
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Tim Hardaway doesn't shy away from some of these young NBA
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players and stars when they come out and they speak publicly
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about the league and how they think they could have fit in the
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90s type of basketball. And Tim, Tim Hardaway actually
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said on our show that Anthony Edwards would have never lasted
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in the game in the 90s. And either, he said LeBron James
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is built for 90s basketball, but he said LeBron James would be
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the only one that would have been built to play 90s
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basketball in this day of game, this day of age when it comes to
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the NBA. The first time he was on the
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show, he ripped John Moran and said the same thing.
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Yeah. He he, he's pretty
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straightforward and a lot of these ex NBA players, Patrick
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Ewing's been on a couple of podcasts.
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Charles Oakley was just on a podcast and he said something
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Charles Oakley will never throw LeBron James under the bus or
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Kobe Bryant. And I tried to get Charles
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Oakley to speak up about the NBA these days, but Charles Oakley
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kind of took a step back and he works with a a lot of, you know,
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NBA players right now in the game because he's a cook and he
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works with a lot of different organizations that work through
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the NBA. So he's not going to throw him
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under the bus. But here's a guy that you
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definitely got to listen to that loves to go on podcasts and
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throw the NBA players more than anything as the same guy that
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has been in the game in the time that Kobe Bryant was playing and
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Paul Pierce so. And all this Errol, why do?
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You Kendrick Perkins, Why do? You think the guys have gotten
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more softer now than it was? Back Well, I don't think it's
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softer. I think the NBA has become more
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fulfilling in the offensive side of the ball, just like, just
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like the NFL. If you look at the NFL, you look
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at the 90s, you could pull on wide receivers and you could do
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all these things on it, You know, in the open field as a
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defensive player. Now if you put your hands on a
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wide receiver and even lay a pinky on them within 5 yards,
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it's a penalty and these guys are getting all the calls.
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Same thing with the NBA. LeBron James puts his hands up,
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Carl Anthony Towns flops. You're going, you're going to
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the line for 2. The NB as become a bitch sport.
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It's become a play your sport. And now you have Brian
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Windhorst, who has some takes that I would agree with him.
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But when you're going after the most popular player right now in
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the NBA, and then that player is going to go and take shots at
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you and put you on the back burner and say, you know what?
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This guy shouldn't even be speaking.
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This guy shouldn't even be an analyst.
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An analyst shouldn't even have a podcast because nobody's
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listening to him. That tells you that LeBron James
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is pretty much sent you to your own graves 6 feet under.
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And Brian Windhorst, who by the way, I, if I'm not mistaken, he
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he walked away from ESPN, if I'm not mistaken.
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No, he's still there. Oh, he's still with ESPN?
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But who was the one that stepped down from ESPN recently?
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Woh woh, woh, Shenowski. Why do you think Wohenowski
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walked away from the NBA? Why do you think he?
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That job was so. Stressful.
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Why do you think he walked away from the NBA?
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He walked away from the NBA for specific reasons.
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He didn't want to deal with this anymore.
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He didn't want to deal with the players, he didn't want to deal
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with the executives, and he didn't want to deal with the
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situations outside of the game of basketball, which he was
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dealing with. That's why Wozonowski walked
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away from the NBA. Why would you walk away from a
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league that you were the face of the analysts you were you ever
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just like Schefner? Schefter gets all the
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information before everybody else does.
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Wozonowski was that guy. Now they have this young pretty
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boy, Shams, shams. I don't know.
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That was his understudy. Yeah, he worked with him for
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like 10 years. But that's what I'm saying.
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Wozonowski walked away for one reason and one reason for
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everything that you're hearing right now with LeBron James.
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He didn't like that the players were running the league.
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He didn't like about the players throwing the analysts under the
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bus. If they said anything wrong or
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put a player in their place, they will get attacked all over
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social media. And he didn't want to deal with
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it anymore. He didn't want his name being
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rubbed into the ground. And so he what do you need to
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do? He did the right thing.
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He stepped away from it before it got worse.
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And I'm going to tell you this, Brian Winworth is never going to
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get a chance to do that because what's going to happen is LeBron
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James is going to bury him and he's never going to get out of
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it. He's going to, he's going to be
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buried alive. And he's, no, there's no way
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he's going to be able to dig his way out of this.
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Yeah, it's interesting because Brian Windhorse has kind of
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served as that insider that also likes to create his own drama
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himself too. Like, I don't think Walsh or
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even Shamsarani was really doing it that way to the same extent.
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And even like some of the insiders and other sports too,
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you don't really see that level of a personality the way
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Windhorse does. Like, to be controversial, There
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was a whole feud with the Warriors with Steph Curry and
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and Steve Kerr throughout the year too.
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And Brian Windhor is obviously instigating more with LeBron
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since he's feuded with Stephen A Smith because he has to protect
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his colleague, apparently. And that's the I guess that's
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the price you're going to go for going after these NBA players.
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And you were right about whoa too.
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Like, I think there was a what was it when Wemby got drafted?
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Like Woes tweeted, this is the the best draft type we've ever
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seen from a prospect too. And I think LeBron took offense
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to that too at the time. Like there was there's just
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certain things that rubbed him the wrong way with that.
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And now LeBron is obviously going to do that kind of thing
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with Brian Windhorst, who he knows is younger, hasn't been in
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the league as a while, whereas Woes is one of the most
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respected guys in the league because he knows he could create
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that controversy. And that's the state we're at
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right now with that. And obviously that's the state
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that is in, with Stephen A Smith taking it personally.
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But Stephen A Smith? Stephen A Smith with all this
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back 4th banter on his show, Stephen A Smith is the biggest
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analyst when it comes to basketball.
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So Stephen A Smith could say whatever he wants.
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He can fuel with it whoever he wants.
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He's under contract and there's no way ESPN is going to part
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ways with him because he brings in the people.
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Brian Windhorst, He's a fat ass. Nobody gives a gives a crap.
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I. Disagree, he's like one of their
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top guys. They don't give a get up and
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like OK, show you're going to see him lose his job for like
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you're going to see him lose his job.
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You're going to see him lose. His job, LeBron doesn't have
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anything to do with him. He's going to be out of the
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league in a year. It's his last year and that
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guy's going to have a career for 25 more.
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Years LeBron James has mined the game.
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OK, he's he's going to be in. He's going to be in the press.
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Fighting right, because he said that nobody wants to listen to
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an exes and no podcast and I would argue he's right.
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I would say that there's a very small subset of people that want
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to listen to an X and those podcast.
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I personally listen to certain X and those podcasts for football
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because I'm a football coach and that's what I listen to.
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There are basketball coaches and basketball like super Duper fans
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that played and actually understand or really want to
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learn the game that and listen to those.
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Guys, it's LeBron James. I I want to hear whatever LeBron
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James says and Steve Nish, he. Didn't say anything that was
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that crazy. LeBron came back and said
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something pretty crazy, in my opinion, going after him for
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honestly, he's been taking shots at him now.
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It's weird because we know Windhorse made his career off of
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LeBron from his when he was in high school, he was writing
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about LeBron and getting on TV and that's how Windhorse became
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who he is. And he's, there's always been
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like, you know, he's not friends with LeBron, but he's been the
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guy that's profiled LeBron since he was 18 years old, maybe 17
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years old, but had the access. To what?
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What do you think too? And and Errol and and Speedy,
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you can do this too. Where do you think like that
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plays a part? Like the social media aspect of
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it? Because everything now it's
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more, it's more prevalent. Right, it's also ESPN has been
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LeBron. 'S network since 2010.
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You said it best. Fish, LeBron, giveth and he'll
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take it away and that's what he's going to do.
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He's losing power. Though now you're out of.
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Your mind? No, he's.
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Not you're out of your mind. Where do you get this?
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How do you lose this stuff? Up for the LJA hold.
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On have his own. Team hold on, it doesn't matter.
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Yes, he does. He has the Lakers.
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He who runs that organization. How do you think the Lucas team
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right now it's LeBron James. Luca does not have GM power.
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When LeBron James, when it's going to be when LeBron James
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walks away, yes, it's Lucas team, but guess what?
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When all these guys have their own podcast, he's going to be
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center stage when he walks away from the game because he's going
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to make money off his podcast. Look what the Kelsey's are doing
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right now. They're both going to walk away
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from the game and they're still going to be voices for the NFL
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because they have their own show.
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They just got 100 million. What do you think?
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Mind the game's going to get when he walks away.
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From Kelsey Kelsey. Showed up to the meeting about
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the Tush push. Yes, and he was the one that
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made the difference. Yeah, that's, I'm telling you
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right now, LeBron James is going nowhere from the game.
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If as a matter of fact, I think it's going to open up these
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podcasts and and the way you can analyze things, these are going
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to open up avenues for these guys when they walk away from
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the game. You're going to have Chris Paul,
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you're going to have all these guys have their own Carmelo
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Anthony has his own podcast. They're all.
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Raymond Green already done. For you to.
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Come out Want to run a team? Stop.
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Stop President or. Why does he have to?
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Why does he have to right now? That would be the thing.
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A guy like that does not run a podcast when you have $2
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billion. He could do both by team, he
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could do both. JJ Redick was trying to do it
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during the season, saying. Why would he?
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But you're telling me that this now you're telling me, but this
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is the problem, Fish. You're actually coming out and
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you're telling me right now that he's losing control.
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He is not losing control. He is the LJA LeBron James
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Association. He has everybody's voices coming
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through him and he speaks for the.
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Players, though, he Why? Why?
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Don't speak about him. I'm going to do it.
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I don't give a shit what LeBron says about me.
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You're punching down at this guy.
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This guy's just a reporter and he's, look, he's got a lot of
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attention. It's not like he's coming after
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your son like Stephen A Smith. It's not.
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He's done. Lebron's been a little out of
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pocket this season. Let's face it, It's been a
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little bit more in your face with the media than he's ever
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been. It's a little different now that
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he's 40, now that his son's, you know, nepotistic.
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Son's playing with him too. Son's in the league with him,
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like we just said with our previous story, right, with the
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father and son playing together or coaching with each other.
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Yeah, yeah, with the help of Britch Paul.
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Here, Here's how you're You're saying LeBron James is losing
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it. Oh yeah, it's just averaging
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24/7 and eight. Yeah, he's.
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He's basketball wise. Stop.
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He's not losing nothing. As like the top guy?
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Do you think he's a top 15 guy Do.
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You think, I think this is planned.
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I think LeBron James knows that what he is doing right now in
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the social. Media market not stupid.
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He's not stupid. He knows what he's doing and
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he's coming out there attacking people because it's going to
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benefit him. He is going to be in the
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tabloids. What did he do last year when
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they got eliminated from Denver and they got swept?
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What did he do? I'll tell you, tell you what he
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did after they got eliminated just to take all the, the, the
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shine away from the Nuggets. I'm sorry, two years ago, he
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said. You know what, this might be my
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last year. I think I'm I might, I might be.
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I have the clip right here. I was waiting for you to say,
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there it is, He goes. I don't even really know that
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was this. I'm talking about.
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When they made the finals. When they when?
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When the Nuggets won the Champions.
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You say I don't have to answer that or something.
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Like that and, and, and by the way, he opted in which I said he
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was going to do so, but you know what he did?
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He went to the ESPY Awards when everybody was doubting that he
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was going to come back. Him and his family went up there
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and his wife and his two sons and his daughter were up there
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and saying, ah, he's the greatest basketball player of
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all time. Meanwhile, everybody knows who
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the greatest basketball player of all time is, is Michael
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Jordan. But he went out there and his
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wife says when you when you married to the greatest
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basketball player of all time. Yeah, keep going to those Diddy
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parties, buddy. Keep going over there and
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hanging out with Diddy. That would be perfect for your
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who you are and acknowledge who you are as a person.
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I don't want to hear it. LeBron James is who he is.
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And if I'm Brian Windhorst, I disagree with you.
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I stay away from attacking LeBron James or even say
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anything about LeBron James because once you get put in that
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box, that box is going to be buried.
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And once he gets buried, so will he.
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He is not Stephen A Smith and I don't care what you say, ESPN.
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He's not even Wojnarowski. Brian Windhorst is a fat ass.
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That's what he is. No offense, Brian, if you want
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to come on the show, I, I go back and forth with you.
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I don't even really think you know as much as you think you
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know about the NBAI don't like Brian Windhorst.
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Honestly, as an analyst, I just I, I respect him.
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He's he's gone so far. But like you just said, Fish,
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you said it best. He LeBron gave him his career
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and he could take it away. And if LeBron James wants to
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take it away, he will. That's it.
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You know. It's tough though, right?
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Like he didn't do anything wrong in his.
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Right in your eyes, you're a. Journalist.
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If you're a journalist, you follow the story.
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The story in Akron, OH in 2002 was LeBron James and he stayed
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with it and he became that guy. He's branched out and done other
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stuff. And you're right, it's not like
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he's he knows the XS and OS. I'm sure he knows a little
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basketball, right? I'm sure he does, but Lebron's
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not wrong saying you probably shouldn't get your basketball
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takes from Brian Windhorst. You should get your insider
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information, maybe from him. You should be able to draw your
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own opinions from the stuff that he says.
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When they get on the shows, like get up and they start
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pontificating, that's that's like you're doing two different
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jobs at the same time. And I don't like that from my
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journalist. I want my journalist to be
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journalists. That personally, so I, I as a
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like specialist social studies teacher, you know, you see it in
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politics a lot where these guys pretend to be journalists and
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then they give you your, their opinions, but journalists don't
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do that. But do you think there's,
20:23
there's, there's both sides of it too where you can be.
20:27
And, and I've always wondered this too, you think from both
20:33
sides of that fence, like if he's never been it and done it,
20:39
what validity does he have to talk about?
20:42
I agree with you, by the way. I, I don't think Windhor should
20:46
be speaking. He's I understand.
20:49
I understand what you're saying, Fish.
20:50
He's I. Get where you're coming from.
20:52
No IA. 100% agree. A great writer.
20:55
But I think there's parts of things like for example, like
20:57
when I talked to Jabba, I was. Not that bad because it's a
21:00
different perspective in like I, in people that I talk about with
21:05
the sport that I just happened to be able to play.
21:08
I understand that as well because I get a different
21:11
perspective because I see it from 1 dynamic.
21:15
I don't see it from another. But when it comes down like when
21:19
you, when you're calling out like one of one of the best to
21:24
ever do it, it's it's tough. Like it's tough for me.
21:28
Even when like I see it in baseball, I'm like, man, it's
21:35
that that's tough for me to see because you have never stood and
21:43
ESPN is what ESPN is and whatever.
21:47
And I'm not trying to burn bridges or do anything.
21:50
Nobody's burning anybody. I I think he's a fat ass but I
21:53
can't listen to. I can't listen to Jessica
21:56
Mendoza talk about baseball because she never stood 60 feet,
22:01
6 inches. I can't do it.
22:04
Was she a great softball player? Yes.
22:08
Do I love watching the Women's College World Series?
22:11
Yes. But when you tell me about
22:14
hitting. You.
22:17
You. Stood in a batting cage and hit
22:20
something you didn't grind and play 162 and these like so that
22:28
that's where in what Windhorse was doing.
22:32
We we value those guys because they are very, very
22:36
knowledgeable people. I want to say something.
22:38
Stephen A Smith. All right?
22:39
Stephen A Smith. He's got a lot of knowledge in
22:41
basketball. I called Stephen A Smith's show
22:44
years and years ago on the radio, and he was talking about
22:46
boxing, and he's got a good relationship for Floyd
22:49
Mayweather. I've told everybody this story
22:51
over and over and over again. OK, And if nobody's ever heard
22:54
it, I'll give you a story. And This is why I don't, I don't
22:57
listen to Stephen A Smith besides basketball.
23:00
And even even with basketball, I'm starting to step away from
23:04
listening to what Stephen A Smith has to say about
23:06
basketball because I think he's a he's an idiot.
23:08
OK, but here's the facts. He was talking about Mayweather
23:12
and talking about he's the greatest, he's the greatest
23:14
boxer of all time. And he was comparing his skill
23:17
to Muhammad Ali and all his other stuff and comparing and
23:20
contrasting. And by the way, I think Muhammad
23:22
Ali, as much as people probably attack me, is one of the more
23:25
overrated champions of all time. And I, I could give you reasons
23:28
why that because I'm a boxing enthusiast.
23:31
I watch boxing religiously. But he went out there and said
23:35
that Mayweather is the greatest boxer in the last 30 years.
23:39
And I said, I called his show. I went through and I said, Steve
23:42
and I, OK, he's the greatest boxer of our generation, right?
23:46
OK, who did he beat in their prime?
23:50
Give me the last 10 fights. Who did Floyd Mayweather beat in
23:56
his prime? And he sat there.
23:58
I'm going to argue that with you, and I agree.
24:01
Where do you put Bud Crawford? Buck Crawford Right now in the
24:06
last 10 years, Buck Crawford is one of the top three boxers of
24:09
this era in the last 10 years. And Bud still, and I know he's
24:14
ampidextrous and he fights righty and lefty.
24:16
I know Bud, I I watch him. I think he's a great.
24:19
Fighter. And, and he's going to fight
24:21
Canelo this year at the end of the year, hopefully that goes
24:23
through. And, and I, and right now, even
24:25
though a lot of people think September, right, yeah, a lot of
24:28
people think Canelo is a little big for him.
24:30
I still think Bud's speed and his ability to fight
24:33
ampidextrous wise, I think he could beat Canelo.
24:36
He's I saw what he did. Errol Spence.
24:38
I was shocked because I had Errol Spence winning that fight.
24:41
Barrel Spence after the fight, there were stories coming out
24:44
that he was blind in one of his eyes.
24:46
I never knew that. But after that car accident, he
24:49
was actually blind in one of his eyes eyes.
24:52
And he would he won the belts back after that the fact.
24:54
But nevertheless, and by the way, one of the worst accidents
24:57
I've ever seen. How he came out of that and got
24:59
back in a boxing ring is is unbelievable.
25:01
But he went at it and he was going back and forth with me
25:05
telling me and I was naming fighters and I said all these
25:08
guys that you you seem to think in the prime, even when he
25:12
fought Manny Pacquiao, he wouldn't fight Manny Pacquiao
25:15
five years before because Manny Pacquiao was at the top of his
25:19
fighting game. He was fighting all the best
25:22
fighters in their prime. And then when Manny Pacquiao
25:24
five years later, when, when the fact was Manny Pacquiao was what
25:28
what about to step down from boxing?
25:31
He took the challenge on with Manny Pacquiao and Manny
25:34
Pacquiao fought him with a torn rotator cuff.
25:37
OK, he fought him and he did lose and Mayweather absolutely
25:41
killed him. But if Mayweather fought him
25:43
five years before, he would have lost the fight.
25:45
And if then, then he went back and forth with me.
25:48
I was yelling back and forth with him.
25:50
And I said, listen, if you can't come up with one guy, you know
25:53
what that tells me? You know what it smells like?
25:56
It smells like dirty poo, poo. I I said it in a different way.
25:59
It smells like poop because what it tells me is you don't know
26:03
nothing about boxing and your enthusiastic background in
26:08
boxing has no bearing to the conversation.
26:11
That's what I said to. Him they kick it off the UFC
26:14
fucking like this shit too. Yeah, well, he doesn't know
26:17
anything. That was another thing.
26:18
That's a whole another thing I don't.
26:19
Know but I had AI had a great. Profession.
26:22
But I didn't finish the story before you get into it.
26:24
Sorry. I'm sorry.
26:25
I just want to let everybody know.
26:27
After we went back and forth, his producer hung up the phone
26:30
on me and while for for for six months, I tried to call back the
26:35
show and it kept going. It it was going through block.
26:39
I couldn't get through to the show.
26:41
I couldn't get through to the show.
26:42
He would never speak to me again.
26:44
And isn't it fitting that the guy my, my, I'm just going to
26:49
say it and I don't he doesn't like my agent is his father is
26:53
Stephen A Smith's agent. And I told him in a conversation
26:57
a couple of months ago about this story and all he could do
27:00
was laughed. And he says that seems like
27:01
Steven to do something like that.
27:03
And he's known Steven since he was 1514 years old.
27:06
So it's just it's very fitting that Stephen A Smith.
27:10
But again, Stephen A Smith is a bigger name that Brian Winors.
27:13
If Stephen A Smith says something, a lot of his fans are
27:16
going to believe what comes out of his mouth.
27:18
If Brian Windhor says something, nobody gives a shit.
27:21
And that's that's the facts, Fish.
27:23
I don't care if he's the lead guy in ESPN.
27:25
I don't care if he's the lead guy in the lead writer on
27:28
Newsday. It doesn't matter to me.
27:30
To me, he shouldn't be speaking unless he has pure facts to what
27:34
he is saying. Prove it.
27:37
Prove it before you come out there and say it.
27:40
And you said it's not bad. LeBron will think anything is
27:44
bad, especially if his name's being brought up in the
27:46
conversation. But but that's unfair, you know,
27:49
like he doesn't he's. Life's unfair one, Life's unfair
27:52
1. Vote in the in elections the
27:54
same way. Brian, this show should be on
27:56
ESPN. Have more this?
27:57
Shows. This another human being in the
27:59
United states of. This show should be on ESPN.
28:02
This show should be on CBS. But we're not going to do it.
28:05
I'm just. Saying not the law, but I'm
28:07
telling you the law. But here's the law is.
28:09
I don't give a shit. I don't give a shit about the
28:11
law. Well, that's, I mean, well,
28:12
that's very 2025 of you, but I'll, I'll tell you right now,
28:17
the most important thing that I learned and why I would never do
28:20
something like what Windhorsted, because he put himself out there
28:22
for this type of criticism. Now he did.
28:25
He shouldn't have put himself out there for me.
28:27
Jabba, when I talk about baseball, I know there's things
28:31
I don't know and why would I pretend like I know what I'm
28:36
talking about in certain situations?
28:37
But there's a lot of guys that are huge blowhards that do, and
28:43
they get paid for being like that.
28:45
So it keeps happening. And that's what the problem is.
28:48
We keep having people that are not knowledgeable being put in
28:51
these situations and just flying off of the handle because
28:54
they're entertaining and guess what?
28:57
No one's being educated and people just get angry at each
28:59
other. That's why Lebron's upset,
29:02
because he thinks him and Steve Nash are sitting there like the
29:04
fucking geniuses. Sorry for cursing the geniuses.
29:07
They are geniuses, they are. They are, but it's not like
29:10
they're the only people who know basketball and they should look
29:13
down on it. How many MVPS have they won
29:15
together? LeBron James, I think, won
29:17
three. You don't look and Steve and
29:19
Steve Nash won two. That's five punching down
29:22
instead of pulling up you. Try to big difference you try to
29:25
teach. Them.
29:26
Exactly. And it's we have an opportunity
29:30
to be where we're at, right? And what we do.
29:35
And I, I don't know if everybody believes this.
29:38
This is what I do. This is what my father taught
29:41
me. God rest his soul.
29:45
But you want to bring them to like try to you.
29:48
You don't want to talk down to anybody.
29:52
You want to bring them to be like, hey, This is why I said
29:55
this. This is why I did this.
29:58
And you as a coach fish, you know this as well as I do.
30:02
It's like, how do I make you better?
30:05
Like how do I bring the fan in and make them better for the
30:09
understanding of what it is like.
30:12
If I get the platform to be able to do this, like can can I talk
30:17
about certain instances where it brings you closer to the game
30:21
and not push you away to feel like you have to argue with me
30:25
because you disagree with my take?
30:28
No, we want to bring people closer to the game.
30:32
That's exactly what we want to do.
30:34
And it's tough when these guys get, I don't know, the badge or
30:42
whatever it is. And we we see it in all sports
30:48
where they talk about certain things and then it just, it, it
30:53
doesn't I, I, I just feel and this.
30:56
Is Jabba Jabba just just think about this Brian Winehorst by
31:01
LeBron James opening his mouth and speaking about Brian
31:04
Winehorst is is putting him center stage in front of the
31:07
public. So it's only helping Brian
31:09
Winehorst's brand when he mentions him if he's if there's
31:13
1,000,000 and. Millions of people watching
31:15
100%. That's exactly, that's exactly
31:18
what he's like. Because if you look at the dude,
31:20
you're like, yeah, did you ever run 92 feet and play?
31:25
No, it looks like he ate a bunch of Twinkies and keeps.
31:28
Is it 92 feet or 90? Those things taste good.
31:31
I don't know. Good, good.
31:33
Good for the. Good for you.
31:34
You're going to eat Twinkies right now.
31:35
Are you going to eat Twinkies? I'm doing really well.
31:38
I don't know if you know, I mean, you know, yeah, I'm down.
31:40
About 15 right now. I'm not a, I'm not a sweets, I'm
31:43
not a sweets person. So I am good.
31:45
I'm a sweets person so I love sweets and I if if there was
31:49
nothing else in the world to eat, I would rather eat sweets
31:53
than any chicken. And do you think Errol too, like
31:56
when they basically like when not necessarily like come at
32:03
somebody, but like have the topic of somebody, do you think
32:08
they're like, is it clout? Is it cliques?
32:12
Is it whatever? Because we all know that that's
32:15
relevant today, right? Do you think he's doing it out
32:20
of jest, or is he just doing it because that's really what he
32:27
his take is? Or.
32:29
If I get LeBron to come back at me, Like if, if we got LeBron to
32:33
come back at us. He's a writer.
32:37
It would be. Kind of the same thing, right?
32:39
He's a writer, he's an analyst. So when he brings up LeBron
32:42
James and LeBron James hears them out and he speaks about
32:45
them, it's good for Brian Winhorse.
32:47
So maybe Brian, that was his game plan.
32:49
Hey, I'll bring up, I'll say something about LeBron James.
32:53
LeBron James will come at me and I can write all these stories
32:56
and sell it. Maybe that's what he's doing.
32:59
The problem here is it's LeBron James.
33:01
If you were doing it to Chris Paul or Carmelo Anthony, nobody
33:04
gives a crap. Nobody cares if those guys, I
33:06
think. It would.
33:07
It would still have a little bit of legs to.
33:10
It it would, But nobody cares about those guys.
33:13
Nobody cares about those guys. I mean, what remember, remember
33:18
when LeBron James, Dwyane Wade, Chris Bosh, Carmelo Anthony went
33:24
on the stage at the SP Awards a couple of years ago with
33:27
obviously Black Lives Matter? Does anybody remember that?
33:31
And when they spoke and all of them spoke, who was the last
33:33
person to speak? It was LeBron, it was LeBron
33:37
James. You know why LeBron James was
33:39
the last person to speak? Because LeBron James is the
33:42
leader. Everybody looks up to LeBron
33:45
James. Nobody cares what Carmelo
33:47
Anthony has to say. Nobody cares what Dwayne what no
33:50
offense, nobody cares what Dwyane Wade has to say.
33:52
All those guys are Hall of Farmers.
33:54
The guy that is the face of the NBA or the LJA is LeBron James.
33:59
So that's what people want to hear.
34:01
And if LeBron James is going to speak about Brian Windhorst, it
34:04
makes him stand out out from all the other guys.
34:08
All the other guys talking about him.
34:09
Why do you think Stephen A Smith went after LeBron James's son?
34:13
Do you think it was calculate? Calculate.
34:16
I think he he calculated how he can attack these guys.
34:19
He went from LeBron James to Kevin Durant, two guys that have
34:26
been the faces of the NBA. He won't go after Steve Curry,
34:30
Stephen Curry, because Stephen Curry's still playing and he's
34:33
still like really one of the big faces right now in the league,
34:37
even though I think Steph Curry is hurt, but he's.
34:39
He's also not that dynamic figure of what LeBron is because
34:46
LeBron will will face that fact. Steph's like I'm good like
34:51
Steph. Curry doesn't.
34:53
You know? You know what they need guys.
34:54
They just need to sit down, crack open like a six pack
34:58
together. They're probably doing that
34:59
right now. And, and just, you know, maybe
35:02
they are and they're just, this is a big joke and they're just
35:04
taking it home to the bank for the cliques for themselves.
35:06
But I know personally that it's really dumb that they're doing
35:11
this. I it's like annoying in a, in a
35:14
way, like you're such a great player.
35:15
Why are you punching down? And the other end, aren't you
35:18
happy that you have this career? Why are you?
35:20
Why are you poking the bear? It just doesn't make sense.
35:23
It's like a smelly snatch. It's like a smelly snatch you
35:25
don't want to smell. ESPN reports that the Knicks
35:28
have fired Tom Thibodeau after five seasons of coaching for the
35:33
team. The league source told ESPN that
35:37
many Knicks executives thought that Thibodeau got barely out
35:40
coached in the Eastern Conference Finals and their game
35:43
one collapse was a date. Was a what?
35:47
A dagger? A dagger for Thibodeau unless
35:50
they won the series. Reports say that Leon Rose met
35:53
with every player after the Knicks lost against the Pacers,
35:56
and while the team never turned on Thibodeau, there were some
36:00
doubts if he could lead this team to a title.
36:04
Thibodeau had 400 regular season wins and 24 playoff wins with
36:09
the Knicks as the head coach. ESP NS Brian Windhorst reports
36:14
that one of three head coaches that were fired during the
36:20
regular seasons, Mike Brown, Taylor Jenkins or Mike Malone
36:24
are on the Knicks radar. Reports also say that the Knicks
36:28
could try to convince Ime Aduka to leave the Rockets or go after
36:34
Jason Kidd, with him likely to step down from The Mavericks,
36:38
which he did step down from The Mavericks.
36:40
Malone is the betting favorite to become the next head coach,
36:45
followed by Johnny Bryant and Jay Wright.
36:48
Well, I, I know this. I know I didn't listen to Josh's
36:51
show today, but I know he wants Johnny Bryant and I know a lot
36:55
of people. If you know anything about the
36:57
Knicks, when Johnny Bryant went to the Cavaliers because he was
36:59
the the defensive coach for the New York Knicks.
37:02
If you know what the Knicks numbers were when Johnny Bryant
37:04
was there as their defensive guy, they were one of the top
37:07
five teams in the league. Johnny Bryant went to the
37:11
Cavaliers. Go look at the Cavaliers defense
37:13
this year and what they were ranked because of Johnny Bryant.
37:16
They were amongst the league's top five.
37:19
Johnny Bryant's the bet, one of the best young candidates right
37:22
now in the NBA. But if you could get e-mail,
37:25
e-mail Aduka or what a Mike Malone.
37:28
I go after the more experienced guy, especially if you're
37:32
expected to win with a veteran team.
37:34
This is not a young team. They're not an old team, but
37:37
they're not a young team. This is a team that has been
37:40
here before. Now they have the experience.
37:43
And you look at the New York Knicks, there's a lot of
37:45
questions if this team is actually getting along with one
37:48
another. And I know everybody, there was
37:50
pictures all over social media after they got knocked out of
37:53
the playoffs with I think over 24 hours.
37:56
They were partying. All of them were partying and
37:58
clubbing in New York. Does that look like a sad team?
38:02
Does that look like a team that was upset after getting knocked
38:06
off against the pacer team that they were much better than?
38:09
The answer would be no. And then there were stories
38:12
coming out recently that nobody wants Jalen Brunts's father on
38:17
the bench next year. None of them.
38:19
There was there was a five guys. There was reports saying that
38:22
there were five starters. So it can't beat Jalen Brunson.
38:26
So it had to be Josh Hart, who was Jalen Brunson's good friend.
38:30
McHale Bridges I know is not a big fan of Jalen Brunson's
38:33
father, OJ Nanobi, Karl Anthony Towns couldn't stand Jalen
38:38
Bronson's father and maybe McBride there there were five
38:42
starters or guys that play a lot of minutes on this team that
38:46
told Leon Rose, if he's on the team, trade me in the offseason.
38:52
What does this do for the Knicks now?
38:54
I I don't think this is much of a story if you're a Knicks fan.
38:57
I know the press is trying to make a story and turn this into
39:02
a team A-Team gathering that nobody's getting along and this
39:06
is going to be a cancerous team next year.
39:08
I don't believe that. I really don't if it's Mike
39:11
Malone or any of these coaches. I do not believe Jalen Brunson's
39:15
father will be on the bench next year because they have their own
39:18
coaching Staffs that they're going to add Tom Thibodeau and
39:23
obviously Jalen, what's Jalen Brunson?
39:26
Rick? Rick Brunson are very good
39:29
friends. He worked.
39:30
Rick Brunson worked with with Thibodeau over there with the
39:34
Timberwolves. He was very, very likable to Tom
39:38
Thibodeau. Tom Thibodeau and him, if you
39:40
know, Rick Brunson played for the Knicks in 99.
39:43
Tom Thibodeau was an assistant coach for the Knicks in the 90s.
39:47
He was Jeff Anne Gundy's number one, number one defensive mind
39:52
on his bench, and he knew Rick Bronson.
39:54
And so Rick Bronson's been following Tom Thibodeau for
39:57
years. Now that Rick Bronson's no
39:59
longer with the team, what does that tell me?
40:02
It probably tells me Rick Bronson, I mean, Tom Thibodeau
40:05
is no longer with the team. It tells me that Rick Bronson's
40:07
probably not going to be on this coaching staff now if he is.
40:11
If I was any of these players, if I'm OG and Anobi or Michael
40:14
Bridges or Carl Anthony Towns, I would not be happy.
40:17
I would not be happy. But I don't.
40:19
I do believe Leon Rose will listen to the players.
40:22
I do. And again, Jalen Bronson, if if
40:26
I was, and I'm I'm just speaking the truth job of your father.
40:30
Your father was a big supporter of what you did.
40:32
He went to all your games. He watched you play.
40:35
He didn't ask, he didn't ask Joe Torry if he could be on the
40:38
bench, did he? No, he doesn't have to be on the
40:40
bench. He could be out in the the with
40:43
the fans watching the games and talk to you at the end of the
40:45
games. I don't know why Jalen Rick
40:47
Brunson has to be on the bench and be there when their timeouts
40:51
and he's talking to the players. I wouldn't want that either,
40:54
knowing that my son is the best player on the team.
40:57
And, and, and by the way, did anybody watch the Celtic series
41:00
after the after the series was over and Rick Brunson went up
41:06
to, I think it was Stephen A Smith.
41:09
And, and Stephen A Smith wanted to hug Jaylen Brunson because he
41:12
was so happy. Rick Brunson was in between them
41:15
trying to speak to, to Stephen A Smith and Stephen A Smith tried
41:20
to nudge him out of the way so he could talk to Jaylen Brunson.
41:23
And that's a problem because Rick Brunson, who wasn't a great
41:26
NBA player, he was a good, he was a good backup player.
41:29
He was on the bench for the Knicks.
41:31
He he wasn't a good, but his son's one of the best players
41:34
New York's ever had and he wants to brag about him.
41:37
And and again, nobody wants to go through Steve, Rick, Rick
41:40
Bronson to talk to Jalen Bronson.
41:43
But again, this is what happens when your father is in between
41:46
your career. Who's his agent?
41:49
Who's his agent? Is it, Is it Rick Bronson?
41:52
I don't know. I don't know who's who's
41:54
actually Jalen Bronson's agent. But again, this New York Knick
41:57
team. That's that's why I think
41:59
parents are the worst, man. It's it they, we, we've seen it
42:03
come into play obviously a lot of times.
42:06
And I actually had a conversation with a dad today.
42:12
And it comes down to like, I never in my perspective would
42:18
ever step in front of Carter's career.
42:22
Doesn't matter what I do, doesn't matter what I've done,
42:26
who I am and we've we've seen that though, man and it's and
42:31
it's and it, it doesn't make sense to me where the disconnect
42:37
between these parents because there's a disconnect because I'm
42:44
a parent first and foremost, then I'm a coach, then I'm a
42:50
teacher and then I'm this right. And obviously I'm the only one
42:57
that has a kid here and he's going to be a sophomore and he
43:03
literally just text me. He's like, I'm throwing a pen
43:05
tomorrow, dad. And but I'm there to help.
43:11
Like, why do we hinder that aspect of what our kids can be?
43:18
And you, you hit the nail on the head.
43:22
He played in the NBA great, but doesn't mean you have to
43:27
interfere or do anything with your with your.
43:30
Kids, he doesn't have to be on the bench and and I understand
43:33
what some of the players I know it's Karl Anthony Towns by the
43:35
way, Karl Anthony. Towns But do you like him being
43:38
on the bench? Because I said this, I said the
43:40
same thing there. We had this conversation on
43:43
lunch today and I, I was like, OK, so if you're an athletic
43:47
director of the high school, right, And you are the head
43:52
varsity baseball coach and you have two sons playing, do we not
43:58
have a conversation? Fish, you know this better than
44:01
any of us. If you're the athletic director,
44:06
do you not sit there and be like, OK, are you going to do
44:12
this? Like, and, and I would love your
44:14
perspective on this because we actually literally talked about
44:17
this today at lunch. I before you do that, before you
44:20
do that, I wanted to finish up with Tom Thibodeau because I, I,
44:24
I got, I got a text from one of my friends recently and, and we
44:28
were going back and forth about Tom Thibodeau and, and does he
44:31
deserve another chance to take this team as far as he could in
44:35
the playoffs? And I've been saying this all
44:38
season long that Tom Thibodeau does not belong with this New
44:41
York Knicks. I thought that the Knicks should
44:43
have fired him two years ago. Now he took them to the Eastern
44:46
Conference finals thanks to Leon Rose making that trade with Karl
44:49
and for bringing Karl Anthony Towns into Mikkel Bridges.
44:51
Karl Anthony Towns choked throughout the playoffs and
44:54
Mikkel Bridges didn't show up in this Pacer series, but Tom
44:58
Thibodeau took the Knicks as far as he could.
45:01
He, I don't think he was going anywhere.
45:03
I don't think he was going to take this team anywhere else.
45:05
How far did he take the balls? He took them all the way to the
45:08
Eastern Conference Finals against LeBron James and the
45:10
Miami Heat. He couldn't get over the hump
45:12
over there with the Timberwolves.
45:13
The far furthest he took them was in the first round of the
45:16
playoffs with Jimmy Buckets and Karl Anthony Towns and Anthony
45:20
Edwards. I'm not saying that he is not a
45:23
great coach. I'm not saying he's not a
45:24
winning coach. He is a winning coach, but he's
45:27
not a winning coach where you want that He wanted you think
45:31
you're going to as far as the regular season like Mike Tomlin.
45:34
Mike Tomlin won't want Super Bowl, but he took Coward's team.
45:37
He took the team that Coward put together and he took them to he
45:42
took them to the to the Super Bowl.
45:45
And then since then, since they he was building his own team.
45:49
He hasn't gone to the Super Bowl since.
45:51
He's not won a Super Bowl since then.
45:52
Mike Tomlin's the Bobby Cox of baseball.
45:55
The the Braves won 15 division championships.
45:58
They only won one World Series. And that's Tom Thibodeau.
46:01
That's what I'm trying to say. No, I agree.
46:03
No, I agree. Tom-tom Thibodeau is Bobby.
46:06
Bobby Cox. He's all these guys that we
46:08
think about. Great, great coach, can't get
46:11
over the hump and you're not going to be able to win with
46:13
them. So by the way, Stephen A Smith
46:15
was very surprised that he should've.
46:17
They all said that. Stephen A Smith on the show says
46:19
I would have given Tom another year.
46:21
There was a lot of people that said they should have given Tom
46:23
another year. Here's the reason why you don't.
46:26
Jalen Bronson signed a four year deal.
46:28
That's what he signed. OG and Anobi signed a four and a
46:31
half five year. Well, he had four years left of
46:33
the deal. McHale Bridges is probably going
46:35
to sign a four year deal. Karl Anthony Towns has three
46:38
years left on his contract, all these guys.
46:40
Miles McBride signed a three-year deal last year.
46:43
He's got two years left, all these guys.
46:45
Josh Hart signed, what, a three-year deal in the
46:47
offseason. All these guys are there and set
46:50
up to win now. If they don't win in the next
46:54
two years, the window shots and then we're going back to the
46:58
same old Knicks. They don't draft right.
47:00
The league doesn't give them top three picks.
47:03
They haven't had a top three picks and that the first one
47:05
they had was RJ Barrett. RJ Barrett's no longer with the
47:08
team because they trade on for OJ Ann and OB.
47:10
The Knicks never really get top three picks. 76ers got a ton of
47:14
them. The Cavaliers get a ton of them.
47:15
The Mavericks get a ton of them, but not not the Knicks.
47:18
I don't even know if The Mavericks, I'm sorry, but.
47:20
The Pelicans, The. Pelicans.
47:21
Every one of these teams get it. The Knicks have been one of the
47:24
worst teams in the NBA, and they've had 1/4 pick in
47:27
Porzingis and 1/3 pick in RJ Barrett, and both players are no
47:31
longer on the team. And by the way, one of them won
47:35
a championship with the team that you knocked out in the
47:38
second round in the Boston Celtics.
47:40
What I'm trying to say here is the Knicks made the right
47:43
decision. Tom Thibodeau was not the guy
47:45
and I don't care. As the stories were coming out,
47:47
when you just heard that, obviously ownership and the GM
47:52
sat down. Leon Rose sat down with every
47:54
single player and they never put down Tom Thibodeau.
47:57
He knew what the the writing on the wall was.
47:59
We have to fire Tom. There's a ton of coaches that
48:02
are going to be available this offseason.
48:04
If we wait another year, none of these coaches are going to be
48:07
available. Mike Malone, Mike Malone's going
48:09
to go somewhere. Why do you think Johnny Bryant
48:12
was the lead guy to get that Phoenix Sun job?
48:14
He didn't take the job and the other Cavalier assistant took
48:18
the job, and he's, like you said, Fish.
48:20
He's the best one out of all of the assistant assistant coaches
48:25
for Kenny Atkinson. So the reason why I didn't take
48:28
the job is because he really wants this Knick job.
48:31
He has a better chance to win with the Knicks than he doesn't.
48:34
By the way, Devin Booker could be a Knick in the offseason, so
48:37
there could be a lot of transition in the Phoenix Suns.
48:39
Why would he go there when he could coach this team?
48:41
And I have a chance to win in. So that's what it is.
48:44
And I, I, I do want to hear fish's fish's thoughts as
48:47
obviously being he's he's a coach.
48:49
He he deals with parents. But I wanted to say that the
48:52
Knicks made the right decision firing Todd Thibodau.
48:55
I love you, Tom. I wish you nothing but the best.
48:57
If you want to coach again, you're 68 at the end of the
49:00
year. I I wish you nothing but the
49:02
best. But he's a 68 year old and I
49:05
just think he was losing too much hair and he didn't want to
49:08
deal with the abuse that obviously at the end of the
49:10
season the fans were going to give him.
49:12
And I'm telling OK, so. Before that, before you get in
49:17
in fish, I can't wait for you to go in.
49:21
Do you always think it falls on the coach because there has to
49:25
be a fall guy and we've. Talked well in the NBA, we've
49:28
seen the trends go in that direction.
49:30
We were talking about with Malone, and Malone was the big
49:32
one, but there. Was players run the league?
49:33
Yeah, there was also Taylor Jenkins.
49:34
I guess it's enough of a trend where they didn't want to think
49:37
it could warrant something. Like for Tom Thibodeau, yeah,
49:40
maybe it's not all on him, but it wasn't all on Malone either.
49:43
For Denver. And Denver, I think their
49:45
playoff run getting as far as they did, taking OKC to seven
49:48
games, that was a shocker, right?
49:50
That actually might show that maybe some of that transition of
49:53
culture could be a good thing for a team that maybe a coach
49:56
ends up wearing out on you. Malone was there, I think a
49:58
little bit longer than Thibodeau.
50:00
And I think I guess maybe the message was stale, even though
50:02
the Nuggets are still very good team in the same kind of
50:04
position with the Knicks. Like you want to think that
50:06
they're building something nicely and you could say that
50:09
maybe a younger coach transforms that kind of thing.
50:11
You look at other teams that have won in the past.
50:14
Somebody, Zach in the comment section mentioned Frank Vogel.
50:16
Frank Vogel goes to the Lakers. They get a culture change over
50:19
there. You're right to LeBron, Anthony
50:20
Davis are there, but he still was very good in other places
50:22
that he went to. Like sometimes that's all you
50:24
need. Milwaukee with Mike Budenholzer.
50:26
Mike Budenholzer wins a championship I think four years
50:28
into his time there after they had some previously good
50:31
coaches, including Jason Kidd over there, and now you get
50:34
getting Doc Rivers and they can't win a playoff series.
50:36
So sometimes you just need that kind of impact.
50:38
And maybe Johnny Bryan is that type of guy if that's the
50:39
direction that they go. And otherwise you go go for
50:41
Malone. And Malone brings a different
50:43
pedigree that you need, too. So what do you always think?
50:47
It's usually the manager that's the fall guy.
50:50
I'll tell you why, and it's pretty simple.
50:52
The NBA is run by the players. So what is the GM going to do?
50:56
The first thing he's going to do is he's going to talk to the
50:58
players. And even though the players were
51:00
behind Tom Thibodeau, as we've heard that they were, if
51:04
nobody's going to put them down and you're trying to figure out
51:07
what was going on and why they couldn't get over the hump
51:09
against the Pacers. The first thing the president
51:12
and the GM and all these executives worldwide, West and
51:15
all the guys in the room are going to say when they walk out
51:18
and after the interview of the last guy, they're going to say
51:20
it's the coach's fault. We have to, we have to fire him.
51:22
That's the first thing they say. If nobody's going to, nobody's
51:25
going to take responsibility for it.
51:26
And none of them did. That's what I've heard.
51:29
We think it was different in Denver, though.
51:31
Denver They. Couldn't stand them.
51:33
They couldn't. They fired.
51:34
Both of them, and I think they pitted like guys in the because.
51:37
They didn't get along though, right?
51:39
Yeah, but they. Didn't get along.
51:40
What does that mean though? Towards like the operations of
51:43
the team? The GM wants certain guys
51:45
played, the head coach wants different guys played.
51:48
They don't get in the rotation. They do get in the rotation.
51:50
Now you're pitting players against coaches, players against
51:53
other players. It's a toxic environment that
51:55
was being created. I think that's why they both
51:58
went and I think it was probably the right move.
52:00
I think both of them actually. I'm not really sure about Calvin
52:03
Booth, but I definitely think Malone can survive somewhere
52:06
else. The Booth thing was weird to me.
52:08
I don't know enough about him to really comment on it, but it
52:10
didn't. Look, I don't again, I don't
52:11
think he was that bad though. Like he just still drafted some
52:14
good young players that just won a championship.
52:16
It was a conflict of. Interest who takes credit for
52:19
the championship? The team should take credit.
52:21
But I felt like, you know, I everything I read said that
52:24
Booth wanted to take more credit for it, Malone wanted to take
52:27
more credit for it, and it became a pissing match.
52:29
So that's what happened there. The Tibbs thing I want to answer
52:34
Jab. Let me answer Jabba's thing
52:35
first about coaching, because I have, I mean, I got stories.
52:38
I I think parents are a double edged sword, Jabba, when it
52:41
comes to coaching sports when especially at the high school
52:44
level, even worse at the younger levels.
52:47
I mean, I've had parents of five year olds come and yell at me on
52:50
the field, you know, because they didn't like the call in the
52:54
five year old football game because the play shouldn't
52:57
allowed because he was shooting gaps and you're allowed on the
53:00
field. And I've seen parents yell at
53:01
those kids, and I've seen really toxic.
53:04
I've also seen parents come from the stands in a varsity football
53:08
game and it cost the coach on the field.
53:10
I've seen both of those things. I've also seen some of the best
53:14
parents in the world provide for the team, provide dinners for
53:18
the team, provide transportation for the team, create a positive
53:22
environment. So it's like you got to keep
53:24
them a little bit at arm's distance.
53:26
You have to have a good organization.
53:28
It has to be structured well. You can't just let anybody into
53:31
the hen house really as far as a.
53:33
Parent. So do you think that translates
53:35
to like even even into? I think it translates to the
53:39
Knicks and this story because of Rick Brunson.
53:43
And Rick Brunson is the ultimate parent of the star player.
53:46
And really, guess who his agent is?
53:48
Rick Jalen Brunson. It's Sam Rose, the son of Leon
53:52
Rose. Now I see.
53:53
Now I see the situation, that is why.
53:55
I forgot about that. I I did know.
53:57
That's the whole situation, right?
53:59
They're all in it together. It's a that's how the NBA is.
54:01
That's how LeBron operates in LA, too.
54:03
That's. Just LJA, literally.
54:06
I was listening and that's kind of why I brought that up,
54:08
because I was hoping somebody. No, you're.
54:10
Absolutely right. And that's the thing, and I
54:12
actually, I actually have a clip up here.
54:14
Do you remember very early in the season, Nixon Timberwolves
54:16
played and Dante Di Vincenzo went after Rick Brunson at the
54:20
end of the game and started shouting at him.
54:23
And there was during the game, Dante was also shouting at Tibbs
54:27
saying can't finish, right. Tibbs can't finish after he got
54:29
an and 1:00. But they had to be separated.
54:32
I remember this from the very beginning of season.
54:34
I didn't think anything of it until this story came out, you
54:37
know, just earlier today or was it last night or whatever it
54:39
was. It's really problematic and I've
54:42
seen things like that before. Now we know that Rick Brunson's
54:46
a Tibbs guy dating back to his playing days.
54:48
He also coached with him in Minnesota.
54:50
I don't know the whole details of the legal trouble he might
54:52
have been in or not been in, but I my understanding is Tibbs
54:56
cared for him in that situation and gave him a job.
54:58
So he's a Tibbs guy. Now that Tibbs is gone, I don't
55:01
know what that situation's going to be like, but it sounds like
55:05
he's going to have to take a step back if this team's going
55:07
to work because it's not working that communication level.
55:11
The reason, the last thing I'll say is I do think Tibbs to go
55:14
back to the Knicks and Tibbs, I do think he had to go.
55:17
And it's there's the messaging, sure.
55:21
The people complaining, the new players not fitting in, you
55:23
know, as well as the older players, once they traded away
55:26
Julius Randle, you know that the chemistry wasn't the same.
55:29
I didn't think not that Julius Randle is a better player than
55:31
Carl Anthony Towns. No one's saying that.
55:33
The chemistry was certainly a lot better.
55:35
And I do think that that's a thing.
55:37
And I think that might have had to do with coaching McHale
55:39
getting, not getting the shots that he's used to.
55:42
They didn't really get him going this year enough and I think
55:45
this that I want to put up here is the one that drove me the
55:48
most crazy. This was in the first round of
55:50
playoffs against Detroit. Do you remember this game when
55:52
he Tibbs didn't just left Hart and Brunson on the standing in
55:56
there, didn't call the time out he had and they lost this game
55:58
because he just let the ball keep going with freaking
56:02
campaign out there, you know, take chucking shots and they
56:06
don't get in and we lose that game.
56:08
He'd had a number of screw ups with getting guys in, not
56:12
calling timeouts fast enough. I think I thought throughout
56:14
the. Playoffs.
56:15
I think after Rick Carlisle just completely out coached him in
56:19
that series, that was the that was the dagger.
56:22
That's what pretty much Leon. Rose the way.
56:25
The way Carlisle made adjustments to what he saw that
56:29
the Knicks were doing, it showed us all of me.
56:32
And the Knicks did exactly what they've been doing all season
56:36
long. There was he didn't really even
56:39
have to adjust. He knew what the Knicks were
56:41
going to do. And that's the problem with Tom
56:43
Thibodeau. That's a problem with a lot of
56:44
these old coaches, Doc Rivers being one of them.
56:48
There's no adjustments. There's never adjustments.
56:51
Doc Rivers hasn't adjusted for eight years.
56:53
And that's why, and the only reason why Doc Rivers still
56:55
still has a job is because of what he did with the Celtics.
56:58
Let me go. Let me tell you something before
57:00
we go on to the next segment and we have to go to a sportsman, I
57:04
want to say one thing. Doc Rivers.
57:06
I watch the Celtic City I and guys, it's a 10.
57:09
It's a 10. I think it's a nine episode part
57:12
documentary. It's fantastic.
57:14
It's great. I hate the Celtics, but it's a
57:17
must watch if you're a basketball.
57:18
Phil Simmons, 30 for 30 guys. Right.
57:20
It's yeah, it's fantastic. It's great.
57:23
Watch it HBO. You can get it on HBO Plus.
57:27
Go check it out there. There was one thing I learned
57:30
about the Boston Celtics in that series in Doc Rivers, in that,
57:34
in that documentary, Doc Rivers was a loser all the way through.
57:39
Paul Pierce, I forgot, remember when he got stabbed 11 times and
57:43
he almost died? I forgot all about that.
57:45
And then Doc Rivers was the coach of the team and all that
57:48
other stuff when no, actually at the time it wasn't Doc Rivers.
57:52
Doc Rivers got the job after that, but never.
57:55
Pitino was with the Celtics. That was when Pitino was with
57:58
the Celtics and by the way, Pitino when he.
58:00
Threw a great first pitch, by the way.
58:02
Pitino, That's pretty funny, actually.
58:05
Pitino left the Celtics. When he walked away from the
58:07
Celtics, he didn't even speak to the press.
58:09
He never spoke to the press after that.
58:11
That was so interesting because every single Celtic, Antoine
58:15
Walker, Paul Pierce, and Pitino and Paul Pierce were very, very
58:18
close. They said that that Pitino was a
58:21
bitch. Now he couldn't even speak.
58:23
He couldn't give his farewell speech.
58:25
And this is the same Celtic team that gave Pitino $70 million to
58:29
take that coaching job. And then he couldn't let he laid
58:32
up a lousy Cusack and everywhere he went, he was a winner, except
58:35
that the Celtics. But that's not what he what I
58:37
really wanted to get into. When Doc Rivers took out, took
58:40
that took that team over that team sucked.
58:44
Really 3-4 years until they made that trade to bringing Kevin
58:49
Garnett and then obviously they drafted Rondo and then what's
58:53
his name again? Ray Allen.
58:55
Ray Allen was there 1st. And by the way, Kevin Garnett
58:58
never wanted to go to the Celtics until they made that
59:00
move for Ray Allen. He Paul Pierce was reaching out
59:04
to him and saying come to the Celtic, comes to the Celtics,
59:06
says why would I go to the Celtics when I have the same
59:08
situation over here with the Timberwolves?
59:10
There would be no reason why I'm going to move my family over
59:12
there if we're not going to win. And then when they added Ray.
59:15
Allen And then it was impossible as nothing as they win.
59:20
And, and by the way, I remember it.
59:22
So Bill Russell, after Garnett was trained, Bill Russell talked
59:25
to Kevin Garnett and he asked Kevin Garnett, how many, how
59:28
many championships you think you're going to win here?
59:30
And, and, and Kevin Garnett says, I don't know.
59:33
He says, I think you're going to win three, He says.
59:35
And Bill Russell said, if you don't win any championships
59:38
here, if you play your heart out, I'll, I'll share one of my
59:42
rings with you. And then when he won his first
59:44
ring and his only ring, he went to Bill Russell and he said I
59:47
won one, I don't need yours. I won one.
59:50
It was but. Jussell has 10.
59:53
I'm just saying, actually he has 11, so he has 11. 11.
59:59
Yeah, he's 11 championships. And I think he won one as a
1:00:01
coach 2. 2. As a.
1:00:03
Coach 2 as a coach, 2 as a coach, which a documentary shows
1:00:06
you that too. But people, people forget about
1:00:09
koozie and all that other stuff and how great Bob Koozie was.
1:00:12
But nevertheless, you got to check it out.
1:00:13
But it, it was so interesting because after, after Garnett
1:00:17
went down, after they won the championship where they thought
1:00:19
they, the Celtics believe they had the better team that year
1:00:23
when he went down and he tore his ACL, they never won again.
1:00:26
They played the, the Lakers the next year in the, in the finals
1:00:29
and the Lakers torched them. So I, I, I just, I want to say
1:00:32
something and I wanted to say that because I, I just look at
1:00:36
Doc Rivers. Doc Rivers had one great season,
1:00:40
one great season with the Celtics and because of that
1:00:43
great season with the Celtics, that's why he's gotten all these
1:00:46
jobs, the Clippers and he's got Milwaukee.
1:00:49
That's the only reason why. Or 76ers.
1:00:52
That's the only reason why he got a job is because he won 1
1:00:56
championship with the Celtics. And by the way, me you speedy
1:01:01
probably would have coached Kevin Garnett in his prime.
1:01:05
Paul George is a pretty. Good defensive coach.
1:01:08
Rondo in his. Young here as well during that
1:01:11
championship run. I forget his name.
1:01:13
Oh, wait. Tom Thibodeau, I.
1:01:14
Mean Tom Thibodeau yeah, look, we know Tibbs is a great
1:01:17
defensive coach and I guess we should wrap it up on him It's
1:01:21
it's sad that he was such a he brought.
1:01:23
Back, thank God. Goodbye.
1:01:24
Thank you, Tom. Complete relevance 4 Four
1:01:27
playoff runs. We had one in the previous 25
1:01:30
years. You realize that?
1:01:32
He's good. He's good to get you in the
1:01:34
playoffs, the Eastern Conference.
1:01:35
Finals. He's the modern day Mark
1:01:37
Jackson, right? Hopefully we can get our version
1:01:40
of Steve. Kerr Oh, stop with this.
1:01:44
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1:01:45
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We really appreciate you guys. Thank you to Blue wire, Thank
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you to what, what blue wires doing right now and, and, and,
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and the contract that we signed with him.
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So thank you to them and thank you to Mr. Goodwood.
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He is 2 and oh, right now, I don't know if he won tonight,
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but Mr. Goody, 50, I think he said 57 strikeouts in two games
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of some crazy number. So it's it's pretty cool.
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He's he's he's doing such a such a good job over there. 57
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Something like that, 4040. Seven only 27 outs.
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That'd be 54 outs. And it was 47, that was maybe it
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was 40 something. It was something high.
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It was a high number, so it was definitely in the four.
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It was either a 40s or the 50s, I don't know.
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Anyways, that's it for a show. We will see you next week.
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Congratulations to Indiana knocking off OKCI.
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Enjoy that win because I don't think that's going to last.
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But congratulations Al Burton and the crew over there in
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Indiana and congratulations to Rick Carlisle.
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I love Rick, so I as much as everybody hates right now the
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Indiana Pacer, I love Rick Carlisle and I want to see him
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succeed, so congratulations to him on winning his first game of
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the finals. So anyways, that's it goodnight.
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