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Mega Edition: Ghislaine Maxwell And Deposition That Sealed Her Fate (Part 4-6) (4/25/26) · The Epstein Chronicles

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  Speaker 1: What's up everyone, and welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles.
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  In this episode, we're gonna pick right back up where
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  we left off with the Glen Maxwell deposition. McCauley, are
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  you familiar with a person by the name of redacted? Maxwell?
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  I am McCauley has redacted given a statement to the
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  police about you performing sexual acts on her. Maxwell, I
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  have not heard that McCauley has redacted given a statement
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  to the police about Jeffrey Epstein performing sexual acts on her.
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  Mister Pagliuca object to the form and the foundation. Maxwell,
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  I have not heard that McCauley. How do you know redacted? Maxwell? Redacted,
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  redacted and redacted McCauley was redacted under the age of eighteen.
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  Mister Pagliuk objects to the form and the foundation. Maxwell,
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  I don't recall how old redacted was McCauley. Did she
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  tell police that Jeffrey Epstein assaulted her sexually? Mister Pagliuca
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  objects to the form and the foundation. Maxwell, I never
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  heard that McCauley did or redacted recruit or bring girls
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  to the home that were under the age of eighteen.
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  Mister Pagliuca object to the form and the foundation. And
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  I think this has been asked and answered already. McCauley,
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  you can answer the question Maxwell, I have no idea
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  what redacted did. McCauley. You never observe redacted with girls
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  under the age of eighteen at Jeffrey Epstein's home, mister
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  Pagliuca object to the form and the Foundation. Maxwell, The
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  answer is no, I have no idea. McCauley. Do you
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  know redacted? Maxwell? I do. McCauley, what is your relationship
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  with redacted? Mister Pagliuk objects to the form and Maxwell answers,
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  what do you mean what is my relationship McCauley. Are
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  you friendly with them? How do you know him? Maxwell?
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  He is the husband of redacted. McCauley, is redacted one
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  of your friends? Maxwell? Yes, McCauley. Did you ever send
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  Virginia to redacted to give him a massage? Mister Pagliuca
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  objection to the form and the Foundation. Maxwell, No, McCauley,
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  did you ever instruct Virginia Roberts to have sex with redacted?
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  Mister Pagliuca objection to the form and the Foundation. Maxwell,
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  I have never instructed Virginia to have sex with anybody ever. McCauley.
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  How old was redacted when she met Jeffrey Mister Pagliuka
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  objection to the form and the foundation? Maxwell, I have
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  no idea, McCauley. Was she under the age of eighteen?
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  Mister Pagliuca objection to the form and the foundation? Maxwell,
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  I just testified. I have no idea how old she was. McCauley.
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  You testified she was your friend. You don't know how
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  old she was when she met Jeffrey Maxwell. That happened
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  sometime in the seventies. How would I know, or the eighties?
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  I have no idea. Can you testify to what your
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  friends did thirty years ago? McCauley, You don't ask the
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  questions here, miss Maxwell? What about redacted? When did you
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  first meet redacted? Maxwell? I don't recall the exact date, McCauley.
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  Did you hire redacted? Maxwell? I don't hire people. She
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  came to work at the house to answer phones. McCauley.
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  Where did you meet her? Maxwell? I just testified, I
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  don't recall exactly where I met her. McCauley. Was one
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  of your job responsibilities to interview people that would then
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  be hired by Jeffrey Maxwell. That was one of my responsibilities. McCauley,
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  do you recall interviewing redacted? Maxwell? I don't recall the
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  exact interview. No, McCauley. Do you know what task redacted
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  was hired to perform? Maxwell? She was tasked to answer
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  the phone. McCauley. Did you ever ask her to rub
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  Jeffrey's feet? Mister Pagliuca objection to the form and the foundation. Maxwell.
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  I believe that I have read that, but I don't
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  have any memory of it. McCauley, did you ever tell
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  her redacted that she would get extra money if she
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  provided Jeffrey massages? Maxwell? I was always happy to give
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  career advice to people, and I think that becoming somebody
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  in the healthcare profession, either exercise instructor or a nutritionist
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  or a professional massage therapist, is an excellent job opportunity.
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  Hourly wages are around seven eight nine dollars an hour,
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  and as a professional health care provider, you can earn
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  somewhere between as we have established, one hundred to two
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  hundred dollars, and to be able to travel and to
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  have a job that pays that is a wonderful job opportunity. So,
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  in that context of advising people for opportunities for work.
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  It is possible that I would have said that she
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  should explore that as an option. McCauley, did you tell
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  her that she would get extra money if she massaged
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  Jeffrey Maxwell. I'm just saying I cannot recall the exact conversation.
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  I give career advice, and I have done that. McCauley.
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  Did you ever have redacted massage you? McCauley, I did,
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  McCauley how many times? Maxwell? I don't recall how many
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  times McCauley was there sex involved Maxwell? No, McCauley, did
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  you ever instruct redacted to massage redacted Maxwell? I don't believe.
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  I have no recollection of it. McCauley, did you ever
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  have sexual contact with redacted? Mister Pagliuca object to the
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  form and the foundation. You need to give me an
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  opportunity to get in between the questions, and that goes
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  for anything that involves consensual sex on your part. I'm
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  instructing you not to answer. McCauley, did you ever have
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  sexual contact with redacted Maxwell? Again, she is an adult. McCauley,
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  I'm asking you, did you ever have sexual contact with
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  redacted Maxwell? I've just been instructed not to answer. McCauley
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  on what basis, Maxwell, you have to ask my lawyer, McCauley,
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  did you ever have sexual contact with redacted that was
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  not consensual on Redacted's part? Mister Pagliuca, you can answer
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  non consensual. Maxwell. I've never had non consensual sex with anybody. McCauley,
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  not redacted. Mister Pagliuka objection. Maxwell. I just testified that
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  I never had non consensual sex with anybody ever, at
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  any time, at any place, at any time, with anybody, McCauley.
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  So if redacted were to testify that she did not
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  consent to a sexual act that you participated in, Maxwell,
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  I just told you that I have never, under any
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  circumstances with anybody, at any time, in any place, in
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  any form, had non consensual relations with anybody. McCauley. Did
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  you introduce redacted to redacted? Mister Pagliuca objection to the
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  form and the foundation. Maxwell, I've again read that redacted
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  claimed that she met me, or that she said she
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  met redacted. I don't know if I was the one
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  whom the introduction or not. McCauley, do you know a
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  female by the name of redacted? Maxwell, I do McCauley,
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  how do you know her? Maxwell? Redacted McCauley, so she
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  worked for you? Maxwell, Yes, McCauley, did you hire her?
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  Maxwell again, Jeffrey hired people. McCauley. Did you have sex
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  with her? Mister Pagliuca, This is the same instruction about
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  consensual or non consensual. McCauley was redacted under the age
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  of eighteen when you hired her. Maxwell, No, I didn't
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  hire her, as I said Jeffrey Epstein did. McCauley. Did
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  you ever have sex with redacted? Mister Pagliuka objection to
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  the form and the foundation. Maxwell, How would I know
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  what somebody else did? McCauley, You weren't involved in the
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  sex between Jeffrey redacted and yourself. Maxwell. We all ready
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  to this, McCauley interrupts her. Were you involved with sex
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  between Jeffrey redacted and yourself? Mister Pagliuka, Everyone is talking
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  over each other. You are the question again. You know
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  what the instruction is. If there is any consensual issue involved,
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  I instruct you not to answer. Maxwell. Moving on McCauley,
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  So you're refusing to answer that question. Maxwell, I've been
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  instructed by my lawyer to that. McCauley keeps hammering away.
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  Did you ever have sex with Jeffrey redacted, Virginia and
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  yourself when Virginia was underage? Maxwell? Absolutely not, mister Pagliuca,
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  We've been going for about an hour. I would like
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  to take a five minute break, please, McCauley. I'm almost done,
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  mister Pagliuka. You're not going to allow us a break. McCauley,
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  as soon as I get through my line of questioning,
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  which is perfectly appropriate, McCauley. Did redacted travel with you
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  and Jeffrey to Europe? Virginia? I'm sure she did. McCauley.
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  What is she doing today? Maxwell? I have no idea. McCauley.
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  Do you speak to her regularly? Now? Do you speak
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  to her? Maxwell? No? McCauley. Do you know where she lives? Maxwell? No. McCauley.
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  Do you know what country she lives in? Maxwell? No. McCauley.
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  Where's the last place you know that she lived? Maxwell?
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  Last place I knew for sure was in Los Angeles. McCauley,
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  when did she stop working for you? Maxwell? Two thousand
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  and one, two thousand and two, McCauley, what task did
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  she perform for you, Maxwell. She helped me with moving
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  in and out of houses, construction. She was a general help.
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  She helped with buying things that needed to be purchased,
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  if I needed her to stand in for me during meetings.
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  It was a very wide ranging job. McCauley. Did she
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  ever bring females to perform massages on Jeffrey? Mister Pagliuka
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  objection to form and foundation? Maxwell, what are you asking me, McCauley,
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  did redacted? Was it ever redacted responsibility to bring females
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  to the house for the purpose of massaging Jeffrey Maxwell?
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  Redacted's job was to help me with the house and
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  work in homes. It was not her job to whatever
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  you just said, bring messuses. McCauley. Did she do that? Maxwell?
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  I have no recollection. I have no idea. McCauley. Did
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  you pay herd acted? Or did Jeffrey pay her? Maxwell?
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  Jeffrey McCauley, do you ever recall how much she was paid? Maxwell?
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  I do not, McCauley. I think we can take a
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  break now. After a short break, everybody's back and we
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  are on the record and starting disc number two. McCauley,
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  Miss Maxwell, I asked you about Virginia Roberts earlier. Can
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  you describe what Virginia roberts duties were when she was
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  with mister Epstein. Mister Pagliuca objection to the form and
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  the foundation. Maxwell, I believe that Virginia was a massus McCauley.
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  Was Virginia required to dress up in anyway for massages?
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  Pagluka objection to the form and the foundation. Maxwell, I
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  have no idea, McCauley, did you provide Virginia with outfits
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  to wear for certain massages? Maxwell? I have no idea
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  what you're talking about. McCauley. For example, did you ever
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  provide Virginia with a schoolgirl outfit to wear for a massage? Maxwell,
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  I have no idea what you're talking about, McCauley, so
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  you didn't provide her with that, Maxwell, as I just testified,
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  I have no idea what you are talking about. McCauley.
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  I was trying to interpret whether you didn't understand what
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  a schoolgirl outfit was or you were saying that it
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  didn't happen. Maxwell, I clearly know what a schoolgirl outfit is.
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  I have no recollection of providing anybody with a schoolgirl
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  outfit McCauley, did you have a set of outfits used
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  by the massage therapists that would include things like a
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  schoolgirl out there, or a black patent leather outfit, or
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  anything of that nature. Mister Pagliuca, object to the form
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  and the foundation. Glenn Maxwell, that would be just another
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  one of Virginia's lives. McCauley, you didn't have anything like that, Maxwell,
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  I did not. McCauley, did you have a basket of
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  sex toys that you kept in the Palm Beach House?
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  Mister Pagliuka objection to the form and the Foundation. Maxwell,
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  First of all, what do you mean, McCauley, a laundry
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  basket that contained sex toys in it? Mister Pagliuca, objection
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  to the form and the foundation. Maxwell, can you ask
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  the question again, McCauley, did you have a laundry basket
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  that contained sex toys in it in the Palm Beach House?
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  Mister Pagliuca, objection to the form and the foundation. McCauley,
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  did you have a laundry basket of sex toys in
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  the Palm Beach House? Mister Pagliuca, same objection. McCauley. You
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  can add Sir Maxwell, I don't recall anything about laundry
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  baskets full of sex toys. McCauley, do you recollect having
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  sex toys at the Pond Beach House? Maxwell, you have
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  to define what you were talking about, McCauley. A sex
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  toy meaning a vibrator of some kind. Sometimes they are
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  called dildos of that nature, anything like that. Maxwell, I
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  don't recollect anything that would formerly be a dildo, anything
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  like that. McCauley, how would you describe the sex toys Maxwell?
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  I wouldn't describe sex toys. McCauley. Did you ever have
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  anything that was of an electronic nature that would be
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  used during sex? Mister Pagliuca, objection to the form and
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  the foundation. Maxwell, I have no idea what you were
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  referring to. Maxwell, Exhibit three marked for identification redacted, redacted, redacted, redacted, redacted.
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  We're talking about four pages of redactions. Then, finally, mister Pakluka,
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  objection to the form and the foundation. Maxwell, First I
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  have to read this. McCauley. Sure, I will stop the
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  clock while the witness is reading. Mister Pagliuka. No, McCauley, yes,
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  if she is going to read the whole document. I
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  will stop the clock, mister Pakliuka, if you've given her
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  documents to refresher recollection. We are on the clock here,
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  miss McCauley. Then we will take it up with the judge.
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  Mister Pagliuca. Read whatever it is you need to answer
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  the question. McCauley. I'm going to set the documents aside
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  and I'm just going to ask you a question independent
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  of the document. McCauley, do you recall having a basket
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  full of sex toys? Maxwell? I already told you I
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  did not. All right, We're gonna wrap up there, and
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  in the next episode we'll pick up where we left off.
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  All of the information that goes with this episode can
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  be found in the description box. What's up, everyone, and
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  welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're
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  gonna pick up where we left off with the Glenn
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  Maxwell deposition. Cigarette McCauley, we were talking a moment ago
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  about miss Roberts and her position as a messuse. Do
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  you know what she was paid for working as a
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  massuse for Jeffrey Epstein? Maxwell? I do not, McCauley. Did
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  you ever pay her? Maxwell? I don't ever recall paying her. McCauley,
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  do you know what happened during the massage apployments with
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  Jeffrey Epstein and Virginia Roberts Pagliuca Objection to the Form
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  and the Foundation? Maxwell, No, McCauley, were you ever present
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  to view a massage between Jeffrey Epstein and Virginia Roberts? Maxwell?
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  I don't recollect ever seeing Virginia and Jeffrey in a
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  massage situation. McCauley, do you ever recollect seeing them in
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  a sexual situation? Maxwell? I never saw them in a
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  sexual situation. McCauley, did you ever participate in sex with
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  Virginia Roberts and Jeffrey Epstein? Maxwell? I never, ever, at
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  any single time, at any point ever at all, participated
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  in anything with Virginia and Jeffrey. And for the record,
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  she is an absolute and total liar, and you all
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  know she lied on multiple things, and that is just
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  one other disgusting thing. She added, McCauley, did you help
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  her obtain an apartment in Palm Beach to live in?
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  Pagliuca Objection to the Form and the Foundation? McCauley, was
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  that part of your responsibility for Jeffrey Maxwell? First of all,
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  I didn't know she had an apartment in Palm Beach.
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  I only learned that from the many times you guys
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  have gone to the press to sell stories. So no, Maxwell,
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  did you help her get a cell phone? Was that
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  one of your responsibilities for Jeffrey to get her a
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  cell phone as part of her massouse obligations? Pagliuca objection
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  to the form and the foundation. Maxwell, I don't know
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  what that means Massous's obligation. I don't know what you
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  were referring to. Would you like to ask the question properly? McCauley.
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  I think it was proper I'll ask it again, though.
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  Did you ever assist in getting Virginia Roberts a cell
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  phone to use during the time that she worked for
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  Jeffrey Epstein? Maxwell? I have no recollection of doing anything
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  of that nature. McCauley. Did you ever tell Virginia that
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  you wanted her to have a cell phone so that
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  she could be on call regularly? Maxwell? I have no
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  recollection of that conversation. McCauley. How often would Virginia come
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  over to the house in Palm Beach to give massages?
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  Mister Pagliuca objection to the form and Foundation. Maxwell asked
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  the question again, please, McCauley, how often did Virginia Roberts
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  come over to the house in Palm Beach to give massages? Maxwell?
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  It's important to understand that I wasn't with Jeffrey all
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  the time. In fact, I was only in the house
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  less than half the time, so I cannot testify to
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  when I wasn't in the house how often she came
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  when I wasn't there. What I can say is that
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  I barely would remember her. If it wasn't for all
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  this rubbish, I probably wouldn't remember her at all, except
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  she did come from time to time, But I don't
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  recollect her coming as often as she portrayed herself. And
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  just to interject, real quick, what a bunch of bullshit?
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  What about all the pictures of Virginia at Zoro Ranch,
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  on the plane in Europe with them? But she has
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  no recollection Who Virginia is? Huh? Okay? Sure? And I'm
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  the quarterback for the San Francisco forty nine ers. McCauley,
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  how many times a day on average would Jeffrey get
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  a massage? Pagliuca objection to the Form and the Foundation. Maxwell,
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  when I was at the house, and when I was
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  there with him, he received a massage on average about
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  once a day McCauley, just once, Maxwell, Yes, McCauley, were
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  there days when he received four or five, Mister Pagliuca,
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  objection to the and the Foundation. Maxwell, when I was
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  present at the house, I never saw something like that, McCauley.
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  Do you know if Virginia was required to be on
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  call at all times to come to the house if
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  Jeffrey wanted her there, mister Pagliuca, objection to the Form
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  and the Foundation, Maxwell, I have no idea of the
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  arrangements that Virginia made with Jeffrey McCauley when Virginia was
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  in New York. Would Virginia sleep at Jeffrey's mansion in
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  New York, mister Pagliuca objection to the Form and the Foundation, Maxwell,
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  I don't recollect her being in New York, and I
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  have no idea where she slept. McCauley, you don't ever
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  remember seeing Virginia Roberts in New York, mister Pagliuca. Objection
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  to the Form and the Foundation. Maxwell, I would barely
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  recollect her at all, except for this story. McCauley, do
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  you recall Virginia Roberts calling you because she was having
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  a medical crisis, and you and Jeffrey taking her to
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  the hospital. Maxwell. I have heard this absurd story, and
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  if any part of it were true, I would remember that.
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  I do not, McCauley. You don't remember taking her to
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  the hospital. Maxwell. It's not that I don't remember it,
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  it's that it didn't happen. McCauley. How do you know
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  it didn't happen? Maxwell, that's the sort of memory you
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  would recall. McCauley. Do you recall you said you don't
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  remember her being at the New York Mansion when you
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  were in New York? Would you stay at the New
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  York Mansion with Jeffrey Maxwell? I stayed from time to time. McCauley.
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  Do you recall Virginia being at the New York Mansion
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  when redacted came to visit? Mister Pagliuca objection to the
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  form and Foundation? Maxwell, Like I told you, I don't
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  recall her being at all at the house. McCauley. How
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  many homes does Jeffrey have, mister Pagliuka objection to the
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  form and the Foundation? Maxwell? When I was working for him,
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  I think he had maybe six McCauley, would Virginia stay
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  with them in those homes? Mister Pagliuca, objection to the
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  form and the Foundation. Maxwell, I can only testify for
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  when I was present with him, and I cannot say
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  what she did when I wasn't present with him. McCauley,
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  when you were present, would Virginia stay in the homes
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  with him? Maxwell? I don't recall her staying at the houses. McCauley,
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  did you train Virginia on how to recruit other girls
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  for massages? Mister Pagliuca, objection to the form and Foundation. Maxwell. No, McCauley,
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  did you train Virginia on how to recruit other girls
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  to perform sexual massages? Mister Pagliuca, objection to the form
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  and foundation. Maxwell. No, And it's absurd and her entire
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  story is one giant tissue of lies. And furthermore, she
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  herself has if she says that you have to ask
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  her about what she did. McCauley. Does Jeffrey like to
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  have his nipple pinch during sexual encounters? Mister Pagliuca, objection
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  to the form and the Foundation. Maxwell, I'm not referring
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  to any advice on my counsel. I'm not talking about
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  any adult sexual things when I was with him, McCauley.
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  When Jeffrey would have a massage, would he request that
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  the massuse pinches nipples while he was having the massage? Maxwell,
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  I'm not talking about anything with consensual adult situations. McCauley.
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  What about with underage Maxwell, I am not aware of anything. McCauley.
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  You're not aware of Jeffrey Epstein ever having sex with
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  an underage miner and asking them to pinch his nipples. Maxwell,
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  I'm not, McCauley, So I'm going to direct you to
• 22:42
  I believe it's Maxwell, Exhibit one, the police report. McCauley continues,
• 22:48
  Are you aware that over thirty underaged miners gave testimony
• 22:51
  to police that they were engaged in sexual acts during
• 22:55
  quote unquote massages? Mister Pagliuca, the witness needs to find
• 22:59
  exhibit one on exhibit one if you can hand that
• 23:02
  to me, please, McCauley. So, now, with respect to the
• 23:06
  police report, are you aware that over thirty underage girls,
• 23:11
  meaning under the age of eighteen, gave reports to police
• 23:14
  that they were assaulted sexually by Jeffrey Epstein during massages.
• 23:19
  Mister Pagliuca objection to the Form and the Foundation. Maxwell,
• 23:24
  I read the police report. That's all I can testify to. McCauley.
• 23:28
  Are you aware of what is in the police report?
• 23:31
  Are you aware that there were thirty girls? Maxwell? I
• 23:35
  did not count the number of girls, and I did
• 23:37
  read the police report. I can only testify to what
• 23:40
  I read. McCauley, So you were aware that the police
• 23:43
  report contains reports from thirty underage girls. Maxwell, I can't
• 23:48
  testify to what the girl said. I can only testify
• 23:51
  to the fact that I read a police report that
• 23:53
  stated that, McCauley, were you working for Jeffrey? You said
• 23:58
  you worked for him off and on until two thousand
• 24:00
  and nine. Is that correct? Maxwell? I helped out from
• 24:04
  time to time, McCauley, So you were working with him
• 24:07
  during the time period when these underage girls were visiting
• 24:11
  Jeffrey's home. Mister Pagliuca objection to the Form and the Foundation. Maxwell,
• 24:17
  I was not what year. I need years, McCauley. How
• 24:22
  about let's say two thousand and five. Maxwell, I'm not
• 24:26
  sure I was at the house at all in two
• 24:28
  thousand and five, maybe one day maybe, McCauley. How about
• 24:33
  two thousand and four, Maxwell, I was present for his mother.
• 24:37
  His mother died in two thousand and four, so I
• 24:39
  was there for his mother's death and the funeral, and
• 24:41
  I was at the house maybe a handful of days. Again, McCauley,
• 24:46
  I would like to direct you to you have it
• 24:48
  pulled together now. It's page thirty nine, bait stamped Robert
• 24:52
  zero zero zero four zero. Maxwell. Can you repeat that please, McCauley. Sure,
• 24:58
  zero zero zero four zero, Oh, Maxwell, Yes, McCauley. At
• 25:02
  the top of that document, about three lines down, you
• 25:05
  see that redacted portion where there is a black so
• 25:08
  it blacks out the name Maxwell. I see black redacted portions. McCauley,
• 25:13
  that's a black redaction of the name of the minor,
• 25:16
  and there is I will represent for the record that's
• 25:19
  what it is. You can contest that, but I'm not
• 25:21
  asking the name of the minor. Five lines down it
• 25:25
  says she was just sixteen years of age. Do you
• 25:27
  see that, Maxwell? I have read that. If you want
• 25:31
  me to testify to some things, McCauley, I'm asking you
• 25:35
  if you see where it says she was just sixteen
• 25:37
  years old. Maxwell, No, I have to read it. McCauley.
• 25:41
  It's five lines down on the first paragraph, Maxwell, I
• 25:44
  do see that, McCauley. Then the next paragraph down it
• 25:48
  says this is the next full paragraph. It says Epstein
• 25:51
  entered the room, introduced himself. Epstein lay on the table
• 25:55
  and told her to get comfortable. Blank could not remember
• 25:59
  if he was naked or if he entered the room
• 26:01
  with a towel. Blank stated she provided the massage wearing
• 26:05
  her panties. She continued rubbing his thighs and his feet.
• 26:08
  Blank advised he turned over on his back and continued
• 26:11
  to rub his legs with oil. Epstein touched her breasts
• 26:15
  and began to masturbate. I asked if she knew what
• 26:18
  circumcised and uncircumcised meant. She stated, circumcised is when the
• 26:22
  penis has no foreskin. Then, jumping down to the next paragraph,
• 26:26
  it says Blank became upset, crying hysterically, and stated that
• 26:30
  she was paid and also instructed to have sex with
• 26:33
  Epstein and redacted by Epstein. Do you see that there, Maxwell,
• 26:38
  I do McAuley. Are you aware that there were underage
• 26:42
  miners in the Palm Beach house that were required to
• 26:45
  give sexual massages to Jeffrey Epstein? Pag Leuca objection to
• 26:49
  the form and the foundation. This has been asked and
• 26:52
  answered already. Now you are just reading a document. McCauley.
• 26:56
  I am allowed to take this deposition. Maxwell already testified. McCauley.
• 27:02
  Are you aware that there were underage girls, thirty of
• 27:05
  them in this police report, that were assaulted by Jeffrey
• 27:09
  Epstein in the Palm Beach House during the time you
• 27:11
  were working there? Maxwell, I am aware that Virginia has
• 27:16
  lied repeatedly. McCauley. I'm not asking about Virginia. I'm asking
• 27:21
  if you were aware that there were over thirty underage
• 27:25
  girls who gave reports to police during the time you
• 27:28
  worked for Jeffrey Epstein. Are you aware of that, mister Pagliuca. Council,
• 27:33
  what is your factual basis for asserting there are thirty
• 27:36
  underaged people who gave reports? McCauley, I don't have to
• 27:39
  answer that, mister Pagliuca. Are you representing as an officer
• 27:43
  of the court that you have personal knowledge that there
• 27:46
  are thirty people referenced in these police reports? Ms McCauley,
• 27:50
  that's my understanding that there's thirty girls. Mister Pagliuca, How
• 27:56
  is it that you're understanding if these are redacted to reports,
• 28:00
  Ms McCauley, by reading through the reports, mister Pagliuca, so
• 28:03
  you have personal knowledge there are thirty people, Ms McCauley,
• 28:07
  just like can you if you read through I will
• 28:10
  not argue with you. Counsel she can answer yes or no. McCauley,
• 28:15
  are you aware that there were over thirty individuals who
• 28:18
  were miners who gave reports to police just like the
• 28:21
  one we just read that they were sexually assaulted by
• 28:24
  Jeffrey Epstein in the Palm Beach home during the years
• 28:28
  that you were working with them. Mister Pagliuca, objection to
• 28:31
  the form and foundation. You can answer if you have knowledge, Maxwell,
• 28:36
  I already testified I was limited in the house a
• 28:39
  couple of days. There is no way I knew. I
• 28:41
  have read these reports. I cannot testify to thirty. Given
• 28:45
  the experience I've had with Virginia's lies, It's very hard
• 28:48
  for me to testify about what I see. I can
• 28:51
  tell you from my personal knowledge, I did not know
• 28:53
  what you were referring to. McCauley. You did not know
• 28:57
  that there were underage girls in the home that were
• 29:00
  being assaulted by Jeffrey Epstein during the time you were
• 29:03
  working there, Maxwell, based on the lives that I have
• 29:06
  already been told, I cannot comment on my She's interrupted
• 29:09
  here by McCauley. Are you saying that these thirty girls
• 29:12
  are lying when they gave these reports to police officers. Maxwell,
• 29:17
  I'm not testifying to their lives. I'm testifying to Virginia's lies. McCauley.
• 29:21
  I'm not asking about Virginia's lies. Maxwell. I can only
• 29:25
  testify to Virginia's lies. I can testify to having read
• 29:28
  these reports. I cannot testify to anything else about them. McCauley.
• 29:34
  So your testimony is that during the time you were
• 29:36
  working there, you did not know that these minor children
• 29:39
  were being abused in the home while you were there, Maxwell,
• 29:43
  what I have already told you, and I will repeat
• 29:46
  I was in the house very limited times, very few times.
• 29:49
  I do not know what you were referring to. I've
• 29:52
  read these reports, but based on the lies that Virginia
• 29:55
  has perpetrated, I cannot tell you what is true or
• 29:58
  factual or not. McCauley, you said you were in the
• 30:02
  home a very limited time, so average in the year,
• 30:05
  for example, two thousand and four. How many times would
• 30:08
  you have been in his Palm Beach home? Maxwell? Very
• 30:12
  hard for me to stay, but very little McCauley. How
• 30:14
  about his New York home? Maxwell, same, McCauley. Were you
• 30:19
  his girlfriend in that year? In two thousand and four? Maxwell,
• 30:22
  define what you mean by girlfriend. McCauley. Were you in
• 30:25
  a relationship with him where you would consider yourself his girlfriend? Maxwell? No, McCauley,
• 30:32
  did you ever consider yourself his girlfriend? Maxwell? That's a
• 30:35
  tricky question. There were times when I would have liked
• 30:38
  to think of myself as his girlfriend, McCauley. When would
• 30:43
  that have been Maxwell? Probably the early nineties. All right,
• 30:47
  we're going to wrap up right there, and in the
• 30:48
  next episode we'll pick up where we left off. All
• 30:52
  of the information that goes with this episode can be
• 30:55
  found in the description box. What's up, everyone, and welcome
• 30:59
  back to the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're gonna
• 31:03
  die of right back in to the Galley and Maxwell deposition,
• 31:06
  and we're gonna pick up where we left off. McCauley.
• 31:09
  In your responsibilities and working for Jeffrey, would you book
• 31:13
  massages for him on any given day so that he
• 31:15
  would have a massage scheduled. Would you take a call,
• 31:18
  for example, and book a massage for him? Mister Pagliuca,
• 31:22
  objection to the Form and the Foundation. McCauley, you can
• 31:27
  answer that, Maxwell, Typically that was not my responsibility. He
• 31:32
  would either book the massage himself or one of his
• 31:35
  other assistants would do that. Maxwell, Like I said, typically
• 31:40
  it was somebody else's responsibility. McCauley. If you were unable
• 31:45
  to book a girl for a massage on a given day,
• 31:47
  would that mean that you were responsible for giving him
• 31:50
  a sexual massage? Mister Pagliuca, objection to the form and Foundation.
• 31:55
  And I instruct you not to answer any questions about
• 31:58
  any of your consensual adult sexual activity McCauley. So you're
• 32:03
  not going to answer that question. Maxwell, you just heard
• 32:08
  my counsel McCauley. Have you ever said to anybody that
• 32:11
  recruiting other girls to perform sexual massages for Jeffrey Epstein
• 32:15
  takes the pressure off you. Mister Pagliuca, object to the
• 32:19
  Form and the Foundation. Maxwell, repeat the question and break
• 32:23
  it out. McCauley, have you ever said to anybody that
• 32:27
  you recruit girls? Maxwell? Stop right there. I never recruited girls.
• 32:32
  Let's stop there. Now, break down the question, McCauley, have
• 32:36
  you ever said to anybody Maxwell, by girls, we are
• 32:39
  talking about underage people. You said girls? Are you talking
• 32:42
  about underage We are not talking about consensual acts. This
• 32:46
  is a defamation suit. McCauley. I'm asking the questions. I
• 32:51
  know what this case is about. I'm trying to I
• 32:54
  will ask the questions. If you don't understand the question,
• 32:57
  I can break it down for you. I'm happy to
• 32:59
  do that. Maxwell, break it down a lot, please, McCauley,
• 33:03
  I will do that. The question is, have you ever
• 33:06
  said to anybody that you recruit other girls? Maxwell? Why
• 33:09
  don't you stop there, McCauley, let me finish my question.
• 33:13
  Have you ever said to anybody that you recruit girls
• 33:16
  to take the pressure off of you so that you
• 33:18
  won't have to have sex with Jeffrey? Have you ever
• 33:20
  said that? That's the question. Maxwell. You don't ask me
• 33:24
  questions like that. First of all, you are trying to
• 33:27
  trap me. I will not be trapped. You are asking
• 33:29
  me if I recruit I told you no girls, meaning
• 33:32
  underage I already said I don't do that with underage people.
• 33:36
  And as to ask me about specific conversations, I had
• 33:39
  with language. We're talking about almost seventeen years ago when
• 33:43
  this took place. I cannot testify to an actual conversation
• 33:47
  or a language that I used with anybody at that time. McCauley,
• 33:51
  have you ever said to anybody that you recruit other
• 33:54
  females over the age of eighteen to take the pressure
• 33:57
  off you having to have sex with Jeffrey Maxwell? I
• 34:01
  totally resent and find it disgusting that you use the
• 34:04
  word recruit. I already told you that I don't know
• 34:07
  what you were saying about that, and your implication is repulsive.
• 34:12
  Now just interject here. Imagine this bipuedal serpent go into
• 34:17
  the ninesier and trying to die on this hilltop. Lady,
• 34:21
  we all know you're a human trafficker, and we all
• 34:23
  know that your answers in this deposition were bullshit. PS
• 34:27
  enjoy your time behind bars. McCauley, answer my question, Maxwell,
• 34:33
  I just did McCauley, have you ever said to anybody
• 34:36
  that you recruit females? Maxwell interrupts her. I don't recruit anybody, McCauley.
• 34:42
  That's an answer, So you never said that, Maxwell. I'm
• 34:45
  testifying that I cannot testify to an actual language, McCauley,
• 34:49
  it's a yes or a no. Maxwell. I will not
• 34:52
  testify to an actual statement made seventeen years ago. So
• 34:56
  I cannot testify to actual language. McCauley. So, oh, you
• 35:00
  won't testify to anything. I'm asking you seventeen years ago
• 35:03
  about a statement you made. How do you know it's
• 35:05
  seventeen years ago? Maxwell? We were talking about a time
• 35:09
  in two thousand, right, McCauley. Have you ever said that
• 35:12
  to anybody? Maxwell? I'm fifty four years old, So you
• 35:16
  are asking me in my entire life. What words are
• 35:19
  you asking me in my entire life? McCauley. Your entire
• 35:23
  life is limited by the time you were with Jeffrey.
• 35:25
  This is the question. Maxwell. Let's time limit the question
• 35:30
  you are asking me. McCauley. So from let's say I
• 35:33
  think you said you started with them in ninety two,
• 35:37
  is that correct? And finish with them in two thousand
• 35:39
  and nine? So from nineteen ninety two to two thousand
• 35:42
  and nine, have you ever said to anybody that you
• 35:45
  recruit others and will start with girls to take the
• 35:48
  pressure off you to have sex with Jeffrey Pagliucca objection
• 35:53
  to the form and the foundation Maxwell. First of all,
• 35:57
  I resent and despise the word recruit. Would you like
• 36:00
  to define what you mean by recruit girls? And you
• 36:04
  mean underage people. I never had to do anything with
• 36:06
  underage people, So why don't you reask the question in
• 36:10
  a way that I am able to answer it? McCauley,
• 36:13
  I'm asking if you ever said that to anybody. So
• 36:16
  if you don't understand the word recruit and you never
• 36:19
  use that word, then the answer to the question would
• 36:22
  be no. Maxwell, I have no memory as I sit
• 36:26
  here today having used that word. McCauley, did you ever
• 36:30
  meet an underage girl in London to introduce her to
• 36:33
  Jeffrey to provide him with a massage? Mister Pagliuka, objection
• 36:37
  to the form and the foundation. Maxwell, run that past
• 36:41
  me one more time. McCauley, did you ever meet an
• 36:45
  underage girl in London to introduce her to Jeffrey to
• 36:48
  perform a massage? Mister Pagliuca, same objection. Maxwell. Are you
• 36:53
  asking me if I met anybody that was underage in
• 36:55
  London specifically to provide a massage to Jeffrey? Is that
• 36:59
  the question McCauley, yup, Maxwell, No, McCauley, do you know
• 37:05
  who redacted is Maxwell, I don't recall her right now. McCauley,
• 37:10
  do you know if strike that during the time that
• 37:13
  you were working for Jeffrey, did you ever observe any
• 37:16
  foreign females so in other words, not from the United States,
• 37:19
  that were brought to Jeffrey's home to perform massages. Mister Pagliuka,
• 37:23
  objection to the form and the foundation. Maxwell, females? What
• 37:28
  age are we talking McCauley, any age? Maxwell? Can you
• 37:32
  repeat the question, McCauley, during the time you were working
• 37:35
  for Jeffrey, did you ever observe any foreign females of
• 37:39
  any age that were at Jeffrey's home to perform a massage?
• 37:42
  Mister Pagliuca, objection to the form and the foundation. Maxwell,
• 37:48
  are you asking me if any foreigner, not an American
• 37:50
  person gave Jeffrey a massage? McCauley, yes, Maxwell, Well, as
• 37:56
  I sit here today, I can't think of anyone who
• 37:58
  is foreign, certainly, I just can't think of anybody right
• 38:01
  the second, McCauley, how about any foreign girls who are
• 38:05
  under the age of eighteen? Maxwell, I already testified to
• 38:09
  not knowing anything about underage girls. McCauley were there foreign
• 38:14
  girls who were brought to Jeffrey's home by redacted for
• 38:17
  the purpose of providing massages? Mister Pakliyuka objection to the
• 38:21
  Form and the Foundation. Maxwell, I am not aware of
• 38:24
  redacted bringing girls. I have no idea what you're talking about. McCauley.
• 38:31
  You have never been around foreign girls who are under
• 38:34
  the age of eighteen at Jeffrey's homes. Mister Pagliuca objection
• 38:38
  to the Form and the Foundation. Maxwell. I already testified
• 38:42
  about not knowing about underage girls. McCauley, did you ever
• 38:46
  provide assistance with obtaining versus four foreign girls that were
• 38:50
  under the age of eighteen? Maxwell, I've never participated in
• 38:55
  helping people of any age to get visus McCauley, did Jeffrey?
• 38:59
  Was it Jeffrey's preference to start a massage with sex?
• 39:03
  Pagleuka objection to Form and Foundation. Maxwell. I think you
• 39:07
  should ask Jeffrey that question. McCauley, do you know Maxwell,
• 39:13
  I don't believe that was his preference. I think you
• 39:15
  have to understand a massage. Perhaps you are not really
• 39:19
  familiar with what massage is. McCauley, I am. I don't
• 39:23
  need a lecture on massage. Maxwell, I think you do, Pagluka,
• 39:28
  no question pending. She will ask you another question now, Maxwell,
• 39:31
  massage is for health benefits. McCauley. When did you first
• 39:35
  meet Jeffrey Maxwell some point in nineteen ninety one? McCauley.
• 39:40
  And did Jeffrey know your father? Maxwell? No, McCauley. How
• 39:44
  were you introduced to Jeffrey Maxwell? Some friend introduced us? McCauley.
• 39:50
  Can you describe your relationship back in nineteen ninety one?
• 39:53
  Was it friendship or was it girlfriend relationship or was
• 39:56
  it a work relationship? What was your relationship in nineteen
• 40:00
  ninety one, Maxwell, It was just friendly McCauley. Then I
• 40:04
  believe you testified you began working for him in nineteen
• 40:07
  ninety two. Is that correct? Maxwell? Yes, McCauley. In nineteen
• 40:11
  ninety two, I know you gave me the description of
• 40:13
  the work that you were performing for him. How much
• 40:16
  was he paying you? Do you remember? Maxwell? I don't recall, McCauley.
• 40:21
  Do you know, for example, in two thousand and one,
• 40:23
  how much he was paying you? Maxwell? I don't recall, McCauley.
• 40:28
  Did it change over the years or did the payment
• 40:30
  remain the same? Maxwell? I believe over the course of time,
• 40:34
  it increased a little bit. McCauley. What was the was
• 40:38
  that payment the payment that was the payment made with
• 40:41
  respect to the jobs, the work you were performing for Jeffrey.
• 40:45
  Was that your sole income at the time, Mister Pagliuca.
• 40:48
  I object to the form. I'm also going to instruct
• 40:51
  you not to answer about sources of your personal sources
• 40:54
  of income outside of mister Epstein at all. Miss McCauley.
• 40:57
  What's the basis for that, paglu It's confidential. It's not
• 41:01
  part of this lawsuit. McCauley. We have a protective order
• 41:05
  and it is part of this lawsuit with respect to
• 41:07
  our damage claims. Mister Pagliuca, it's not and in fact,
• 41:11
  you are not entitled to ask financial information of a
• 41:14
  defendant in this kind of case, in a defamation case,
• 41:18
  unless and until there is a finding that you were
• 41:20
  entitled to punitive damages. That is clear in New York
• 41:24
  case law, both state and federal. Mss McCauley, Well, we
• 41:27
  disagree on that point, and we will come back to that. McCauley.
• 41:32
  From the source of payment, from the source of Jeffrey,
• 41:35
  from your work, can you gimme a range on that.
• 41:38
  Do you know was it over one hundred thousand? Maxwell,
• 41:42
  I just testified that I don't recall McCauley. You don't
• 41:46
  know if it was five hundred thousand, Maxwell, it was
• 41:49
  less than that. McCauley somewhere between one hundred thousand and
• 41:53
  five hundred thousand, Would that be fair to say? Maxwell?
• 41:56
  I believe it was between one hundred and two hundred thousand. McCauley.
• 42:00
  Did Jeffrey during that time that you were working for him,
• 42:03
  purchased a town home for you? Maxwell? The subject of
• 42:07
  the townhouse is I worked for it, and I had
• 42:10
  a loan. We did loans McCauley so alone through Jeffrey Maxwell,
• 42:15
  I don't recall the exact transaction. McCauley. Did he purchase
• 42:19
  for you a helicopter during the time you were working
• 42:22
  for him? Maxwell? It was his helicopter. McCauley, when did
• 42:27
  you obtain your pilot's license? Maxwell? I believe it was
• 42:30
  nineteen ninety eight or nineteen ninety nine. McCauley. Was that
• 42:35
  for both airplanes and helicopters or just helicopters, Maxwell, just helicopters. McCauley,
• 42:41
  have you ever flown redacted and redacted on your helicopter. Maxwell.
• 42:46
  That is another one of Virginia's lives. McCauley, The question
• 42:50
  is have you ever done that? Maxwell? I have never
• 42:53
  flown redacted at any time ever, in any helicopter, in
• 42:57
  any place, any time, in any state, in any country,
• 43:00
  at any time anywhere. McCauley. Have you ever had dinner
• 43:03
  with redacted at Jeffrey's home, at any of Jeffrey's homes? Maxwell? No,
• 43:08
  I don't believe so, McCauley. Have you ever traveled on
• 43:12
  Jeffrey's planes with redacted? Maxwell? Yes, I have, McCauley. Would
• 43:17
  that have been in two thousand and two? Maxwell? It's
• 43:20
  very hard for me to recollect exact dates, but that
• 43:22
  sounds about right. McCauley. Was that during the time that
• 43:26
  Virginia was working for Jeffrey Maxwell? I don't know that
• 43:30
  Virginia ever did work for Jeffrey. I don't know exactly
• 43:34
  know if she testified to her so called duties. We
• 43:37
  know she is a serial liar, so I can't testify
• 43:39
  to what she did or didn't do, So I object
• 43:42
  to that characterization of her. So repeat the question, please, McCauley.
• 43:47
  Can you read the question back the record's read. You
• 43:50
  can answer that question, McCauley says Maxwell, What was the
• 43:53
  question again, McCauley, when you were traveling on the plane
• 43:57
  with redacted? Was that during the time it was two
• 44:00
  thousand and two that you were on the flight with redacted?
• 44:03
  Was that during the time that Virginia was working for Jeffrey?
• 44:07
  Mister Pagliuca object to the form, mistates the witness's answer,
• 44:11
  and if you can answer the question, you can answer it. Maxwell. Well,
• 44:15
  like I said, I don't recall exactly when I flew
• 44:17
  with him. I don't recall when Virginia. We know that
• 44:21
  Virginia claims when she left, so I can't answer the question.
• 44:24
  I have no idea. McCauley. Do you know redacted? Maxwell?
• 44:29
  I do. McCauley, how long have you known him? Maxwell?
• 44:32
  A very long time, McCauley, since you were a child. Maxwell.
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  I really, it's so long. It's a really long time ago.
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  I just don't recall. McCauley, do you remember how you
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  first met him? Maxwell? No, I do not. McCauley. Did
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  you introduce him to Jeffrey? Maxwell? That would be another
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  of Virginia's lies and the lies you perpetrate. I never
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  introduced redacted. I'm guessing this is Prince Andrew by the
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  way to Jeffrey Epstein at any time ever, So just
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  add that to the long list of lies. All Right, folks,
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