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Somatic Healing & Conscious Breathing: How Breathwork Rewires Trauma with Dr. Colleen Quinn, Author of Essence Merging · Healing Her Story with Riva Jean-Paul

1:37
SPEAKER_00: Hello everyone.
1:38
SPEAKER_00: Welcome to another episode here on the Healing Her Story podcast.
1:43
SPEAKER_00: I am kind of like buzzing a little bit today as I'm sitting here getting ready to begin another guest interview.
1:50
SPEAKER_00: And we're very honored to have another author on the show today.
1:54
SPEAKER_00: And as I shared in one of our most recent guest episodes where there was an author, I've really been wanting to be more intimate with the creation.
2:03
SPEAKER_00: And so I've been enjoying this book over the last several days.
2:07
SPEAKER_00: And it was interesting.
2:08
SPEAKER_00: I was kind of in my mind about the timing.
2:10
SPEAKER_00: Like, oh man, like I should have started this book weeks ago.
2:13
SPEAKER_00: Like, you need to hurry up and finish this book before this interview.
2:16
SPEAKER_00: And so I just kind of noticed that and still kind of honored my rhythm, even as that voice in my head was kind of telling me I needed to hurry up and get through this book.
2:25
SPEAKER_00: And I'm so glad that I just kind of trusted my own rhythm and timing because as I'm reading the book, there's so many things, themes where they have been kind of playing out in real time in my own life.
2:40
SPEAKER_00: There was this piece in the book about um being in the utero and and what that's like, and how a big part of our healing journey is about really exploring that in utero wound.
2:52
SPEAKER_00: And that was something that I had touched on in a class that I took last week.
2:56
SPEAKER_00: So it was funny to have it touched on in the book.
3:00
SPEAKER_00: And then also I am a breath work facilitator, and um I I have a connection to my breath practice, and because I have other modalities, I kind of swing in and out of it.
3:09
SPEAKER_00: But over the past week, I've been reconnecting with my breath much more deeply and had a really lovely breath work session with my therapist yesterday.
3:18
SPEAKER_00: So as I've been reading the book and sort of coming back to my breath work practice, it's been a really lovely just a unfolding of events as I've been reading the book.
3:28
SPEAKER_00: So again, really trusting the timing of the book.
3:31
SPEAKER_00: And I've um I've shared with Colleen before we started, I still have about half the way to go, but I trust that that other half will also align quite quite divinely with everything in my own life as well.
3:43
SPEAKER_00: So I'm really excited today to be welcoming Colleen Quinn to the show.
3:49
SPEAKER_00: Dr.
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SPEAKER_00: Colleen Quinn spent decades as a psychologist and researcher before a health crisis, and a second brush with death, both of which reshaped everything she thought she knew about healing.
4:01
SPEAKER_00: What followed was a period of study with the shaman in Costa Rica and a deepening relationship with conscious breath, as well as the integration of somatic and energetic practices she hadn't been trained in but couldn't ignore.
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SPEAKER_00: Her book, Essence Merging, traces that journey, starting from a childhood shaped by a mother's bipolar disorder, through a career built on control and competence into an ongoing embodied conversation with love, breath, and the self.
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SPEAKER_00: She now works as a transpersonal psychologist and breathwork practitioner, weaving clinical insight with somatic and mystical practice.
4:40
SPEAKER_00: Colleen, welcome to the show.
4:43
SPEAKER_01: Reva, what a beautiful introduction, but more than an introduction, a sharing of your own heart and experience.
4:51
SPEAKER_01: And I'm so delighted because as you've read in Essence Merging, that's exactly how spirit works when we turn our lives over to this higher mystical love power.
5:04
SPEAKER_01: When we're ready for the next healing, a confluence of events all happen to go, hey, it's womb time, it's womb time, you know, and and it's that way for every stage and each appealing, it's it's you don't really peel off experience, you transmute it into a harmonious energetic vibration within.
5:30
SPEAKER_01: All experiences stay with us, they shape and mold us, but we change the story around it.
5:37
SPEAKER_01: But with each transmutation, there is a lightness of being, and they come one after the other, and you get this delicious period of freedom, right?
5:48
SPEAKER_01: It's like I'm lighter than I was before.
5:51
SPEAKER_01: And so you sharing that is really vulnerable and hopefully inspiring to all of your uh tribe that you have assembled to be here with us.
6:04
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
6:05
SPEAKER_00: Thank you for that.
6:06
SPEAKER_00: And it's always how I love to start the show is by a moment of reflection back to the guests to really anchor us both into our hearts.
6:15
SPEAKER_00: So thank you for being open to receive it.
6:19
SPEAKER_01: Yes.
6:19
SPEAKER_01: Well, the hearts are what make us fully alive.
6:22
SPEAKER_01: So that's that's where I like to lead these days.
6:26
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, same.
6:28
SPEAKER_00: Well, Colleen, I always invite our guests to share their story.
6:32
SPEAKER_00: And I know that you've shared so much of your story so generously in your book.
6:37
SPEAKER_00: So I'm going to invite our listeners, if they're resonating with this conversation, to learn more about your story in the book.
6:43
SPEAKER_00: But what I'd love to hear is the story of the book and how the book came into existence.
6:49
SPEAKER_01: Thanks for asking me, but you know, I probably did breath work in the beginning of my journey five times a day because every time I noticed I was back in the ego, I was out of that place of my true nature.
7:06
SPEAKER_01: It felt like I was in a cave where there were the, I knew there was the window somewhere, but I couldn't find it.
7:14
SPEAKER_01: I couldn't find it without my breath.
7:16
SPEAKER_01: So I would run back to my meditation room and I would breathe until I found it.
7:22
SPEAKER_01: And I would come back and I'd be able to be in love and in presence and spill that out.
7:28
SPEAKER_01: And all these miraculous, mind-bending, non-ordinary experiences happened.
7:35
SPEAKER_01: A lot of them are in the book.
7:37
SPEAKER_01: And I I finally I said the spirit to love.
7:40
SPEAKER_01: I I now see that this higher power is just love.
7:44
SPEAKER_01: And I said, you know, this is lovely.
7:49
SPEAKER_01: I love the love gifts, but I know your plans are greater than just one of us because we're all connected.
7:56
SPEAKER_01: So what's the plan?
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SPEAKER_01: Like I have all this time, it's so great.
8:01
SPEAKER_01: I could do this forever, but what's the plan?
8:03
SPEAKER_01: I got a resounding auditory download.
8:07
SPEAKER_01: Go inspire.
8:10
SPEAKER_01: Well, Reva, what's really cool about that is inspire shares the same root as inspiration.
8:18
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
8:19
SPEAKER_01: Breath work.
8:20
SPEAKER_01: And we really we really can't inspire without that consciousness moving through us, which you need your breath to do.
8:29
SPEAKER_01: And so, but I was told to write it down and share it with others because subsequently I was shown that we are in a period in our human history, astrology points to it, several ancient cultures of a great awakening.
8:44
SPEAKER_01: And it's gonna take about 50 to 55 years.
8:47
SPEAKER_01: It started at the winter solstice of 2019, which was right when COVID was being birthed in China.
8:56
SPEAKER_01: Wow.
8:56
SPEAKER_01: Um, and that was the first birth pain.
8:59
SPEAKER_01: And I I think that it's coming as labor pain.
9:03
SPEAKER_01: So that's the way growth happens.
9:06
SPEAKER_01: You have a squeeze, and then you get a remission to integrate that.
9:11
SPEAKER_01: That's that lightness of being, and then the next squeeze comes.
9:14
SPEAKER_01: I think we're in the second labor pain now.
9:17
SPEAKER_00: I appreciate that that metaphor.
9:19
SPEAKER_00: It resonates a lot for me.
9:21
SPEAKER_00: And um, I think kind of helps make sense of what we're all going through collectively.
9:26
SPEAKER_00: Because I think it can be easy to fall into fear and to worry and to get really caught up in what's being perpetuated in the media and the news.
9:35
SPEAKER_00: But what we can come back to this sort of cyclical, almost sort of process, we can sometimes remember to trust the process a little bit more because we're not gonna always be in that contraction phase.
9:49
SPEAKER_01: Reva, spirit is speaking through you because what I am seeing, independent of people's circumstance, you know, everybody's story is different, but the message we're all being asked with this labor pain is to trust, greater than we ever have.
10:08
SPEAKER_01: And what's really fascinating about that for me is there's these two dimensions that go along in parallel.
10:17
SPEAKER_01: There's this material dimension that's so alluring, you know, everything seems so solid, but we know that every cell is 99.999% space.
10:30
SPEAKER_01: And that space is whirled around by this highly intelligent, loving field, coherent field.
10:38
SPEAKER_01: That field is God.
10:40
SPEAKER_01: God is the energy, and it's there's so there's this energy realm that coexists alongside this material one.
10:48
SPEAKER_01: So we're being asked to see beyond the material, which seems pretty dark sometimes.
10:55
SPEAKER_01: But when we put on that virtual reality headset to be able to see the energy, which was our first primary language, as infants, we only spoke energy, and we were keen interpreters of energy.
11:13
SPEAKER_01: They put babies on their parents' chest so they can absorb that love energy.
11:19
SPEAKER_01: The parents are all blissed out, they're like, Well, this will be a perfect energy transference, right?
11:24
SPEAKER_01: So it's it's what we knew before the words mucked it up, right?
11:29
SPEAKER_01: And when we can from a conscious place tune into the energy, it ch everything does change and the trust becomes easier.
11:41
SPEAKER_01: But if I can take a moment to talk about this, because this has kind of been a download I just had in a deeper way this maybe a week ago.
11:51
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, please.
11:52
SPEAKER_01: So I saw that all of life is merely a reflection of whatever virtual reality headset we have on.
12:02
SPEAKER_01: We're living in a house of mirrors.
12:04
SPEAKER_01: And this and this is supported in science.
12:07
SPEAKER_01: I I don't know if you've heard of uh particle wave theory.
12:11
SPEAKER_00: It sounds familiar, but I don't know much about it.
12:14
SPEAKER_01: So it's been replicated thousands of times, and it's um a theory in quantum physics where if you get below the uh nanoparticles under a microscope, what's below that can either be a particle, a solid particle, or an energy wave.
12:35
SPEAKER_01: They're called quarks.
12:36
SPEAKER_01: If the scientist thinks they're gonna see a solid particle, they see a solid particle.
12:43
SPEAKER_01: If they think they're gonna see a wave, they see a wave.
12:47
SPEAKER_01: And the same scientist can see both.
12:50
SPEAKER_01: Oh, now I'm gonna see a wave.
12:51
SPEAKER_01: Okay, you see a wave.
12:54
SPEAKER_01: It is.
12:55
SPEAKER_01: We live in this house of mirrors.
12:58
SPEAKER_01: But what's fascinating about this, what the part that I got recently in Breath Work was that we need to love life so that life can enter our hearts to love us back.
13:12
SPEAKER_01: Life wants to love us back, but most of us our hearts are closed.
13:15
SPEAKER_01: And the way that most of us love life is the way our parents loved us.
13:23
SPEAKER_00: There it is.
13:24
SPEAKER_01: There it is.
13:27
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
13:28
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, those really early years do sort of determine those filters that we put on and really influence the way that we perceive the world.
13:38
SPEAKER_00: And this is something I'm always coming back to in my personal process as well.
13:42
SPEAKER_00: And I think this ties really lovely with this theme of cancer season as well, which is about the home.
13:48
SPEAKER_00: And I also see that theme in your book as well.
13:52
SPEAKER_00: You so courageously share your story and different parts of that that were challenging and hurtful and painful.
13:59
SPEAKER_00: And what I love so beautifully is how you articulate that change.
14:04
SPEAKER_00: I was actually just reading a section just before we popped on about the womb, actually, and being in utero, and how you had this perception that your mother never loved you.
14:16
SPEAKER_00: And once you were able to connect with that sense of love within yourself, and correct me if I'm missing anything here, you were able to actually recognize all the moments where your mother did love you.
14:27
SPEAKER_00: Maybe it wasn't in the way that was right or needed for you in that moment, but it was love in the way that she knew how to express.
14:35
SPEAKER_01: Absolutely, Riva.
14:37
SPEAKER_01: And it that so that's how that energy gets transmuted within us.
14:43
SPEAKER_01: That's the beauty of breath.
14:44
SPEAKER_01: When you can go in through your conscious breath, and you then finally can hover over these experiences that from the place of the witness that were too overwhelming at the time.
14:57
SPEAKER_01: So I I didn't feel any of those feelings.
15:01
SPEAKER_01: I I knew the stories.
15:02
SPEAKER_01: My mother was hospitalized twice during her pregnancy with me, not for her concern for her safety, but concern over my well-being.
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SPEAKER_01: And I could tell that story, but I had no feeling associated with it.
15:17
SPEAKER_00: Wow.
15:18
SPEAKER_01: Until conscious breath kept taking me back there.
15:23
SPEAKER_01: The very first time I went back was in the retreat in Costa Rica.
15:28
SPEAKER_01: And you know, when you're deep in breath work, you're you're a breath worker, it kind of feels like you're underwater, right?
15:34
SPEAKER_01: You're in a different dimension.
15:36
SPEAKER_01: So I'm hearing this moaning that's like an animal caught in a trap, like severe pain.
15:43
SPEAKER_01: And I'm and I come up enough to be like, wow, somebody's really having a hard time with this.
15:50
SPEAKER_01: And then I realized it was me.
15:52
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
15:53
SPEAKER_01: That's powerful.
15:54
SPEAKER_01: It's like, oh my gosh, that's how much this experience has impacted me and how this body faithfully carried this stagnant, stuck energy for over 50 years.
16:11
SPEAKER_01: And that is dis-ease.
16:13
SPEAKER_01: That's disintegrated energy.
16:16
SPEAKER_01: The word emotion is a mathematical formula for energy in motion.
16:22
SPEAKER_01: We're supposed to feel the feelings and let them move through.
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SPEAKER_01: When they when we're too overwhelmed to feel those feelings, they get stuck.
16:32
SPEAKER_01: And it is amazing.
16:34
SPEAKER_01: I'm so glad you brought up the womb because I think a lot of listeners might think, oh, we can't go back that far.
16:42
SPEAKER_01: Not true at all.
16:44
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
16:44
SPEAKER_01: Our bodies store every single experience, and I've gone back to other lifetimes.
16:52
SPEAKER_01: It's all it's all in there.
16:54
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
16:55
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
16:55
SPEAKER_00: Our body remembers everything that we've gone through.
16:58
SPEAKER_00: And this is a thread I've been pulling on in my own work as well, personally.
17:03
SPEAKER_00: And just last week I was in a class and we did this exercise.
17:07
SPEAKER_00: And it was designed to help us tap into that sort of utero-like state.
17:14
SPEAKER_00: Um, and she didn't orient us to this before we started.
17:18
SPEAKER_00: She just told us what to do, and we went along with it in a very safe and trauma-informed way, of course.
17:24
SPEAKER_00: And at the end of the experience, I was able to connect with that sort of in utero, sort of early childhood state.
17:32
SPEAKER_00: Um, and it was very interesting to see what came up and the emotions that you're naming definitely was a piece of that.
17:39
SPEAKER_00: Um, and it also reminds me of a breath work session I had just yesterday, too, where I had another experience come up.
17:45
SPEAKER_00: And I hadn't really given myself the space to to feel because I couldn't, because in that moment it was was so overwhelming.
17:53
SPEAKER_00: And so to be able to create space for that, already I can feel like a shift in my energy today, sort of like clearing up that stagnant energy, like you've named here.
18:04
SPEAKER_01: It's so powerful because when when breath, breath it ignites the soul's ability to talk to us.
18:12
SPEAKER_01: So when you're in that place of the soul and you're in your energetic body hovering over these experiences that your subconscious now feels safe enough to pop back up from the popcorn popper, yes, you're up here looking through the eyes of love, feeling safe, feeling relaxed, but you're able to fully feel it, often for the very first time.
18:38
SPEAKER_01: And we know as healers, the two things that have to happen to heal trauma is you have to fully feel it.
18:46
SPEAKER_01: That's number one.
18:48
SPEAKER_01: These hearts are meant to feel it all.
18:50
SPEAKER_01: And when we restrict those low vibrational feelings, what's interesting is then the heart loses the capacity to heal the high vibrational feelings.
19:03
SPEAKER_01: So it so life becomes like tasting ice cream, eating ice cream, but tasting frozen peas.
19:09
SPEAKER_01: Right?
19:10
SPEAKER_01: It's just very bland and dull.
19:13
SPEAKER_01: And and these hearts don't like that.
19:15
SPEAKER_01: They want to be fully alive.
19:17
SPEAKER_01: So with our breath, we fully feel it, and we then get to complete the action that did not get completed at the time.
19:27
SPEAKER_01: That that rewires our nervous system, which is like our software.
19:32
SPEAKER_01: So it's like getting a software upgrade.
19:34
SPEAKER_01: And what I routinely see, Reva, with my clients and myself is that the story that we wrapped around that experience is like a coin that gets flipped.
19:47
SPEAKER_01: So routinely you'll hear that wasn't fair.
19:51
SPEAKER_01: Where was God?
19:53
SPEAKER_01: I was all alone, I'm a victim, and that coin gets flipped to oh my God, I wasn't alone.
20:03
SPEAKER_01: I really see that I needed that to become who I am now.
20:08
SPEAKER_01: Love had a plan for me, and I can see all of those people involved through the eyes of love.
20:16
SPEAKER_01: Like you said, for years I thought my mother didn't love me, didn't really have any connection.
20:23
SPEAKER_01: Up from the popcorn popper come all these experiences of how much she tried to connect with me.
20:30
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it it's amazing.
20:33
SPEAKER_01: It and and like that melts the heart.
20:37
SPEAKER_01: There's a an old Jewish saying, what's truer than truth?
20:42
SPEAKER_01: Have you heard it, Riva?
20:43
SPEAKER_00: No.
20:45
SPEAKER_01: Do you have a guess?
20:47
SPEAKER_00: A love is the first thing that comes to mind.
20:50
SPEAKER_01: I love that answer.
20:51
SPEAKER_01: It's it's experience, all experience.
20:54
SPEAKER_01: When when you experience something, it doesn't matter what anybody else has to say about it.
21:01
SPEAKER_01: Your experience becomes unrefutable.
21:04
SPEAKER_01: You felt it, you saw it, you tasted it, you touched it.
21:08
SPEAKER_01: That's that is unrefutable for you.
21:12
SPEAKER_01: Well, that's what breath work does.
21:14
SPEAKER_01: It allows you to fully experience these moments, and the changes become unrefutable.
21:24
SPEAKER_01: That's healing.
21:25
SPEAKER_01: Love is the only true healer, and love is always infused when you go back in through your breath.
21:33
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, beautifully said.
21:34
SPEAKER_00: So much wisdom you're you're sharing with us here today.
21:38
SPEAKER_00: And I feel like this is a good segue into the breath.
21:42
SPEAKER_00: And as a breath work facilitator, I get really curious about the specific technique you might be using.
21:48
SPEAKER_00: And I also know that to me, in my own experience, I've explored different techniques.
21:53
SPEAKER_00: And to me, they all I don't want to say they're all the same, but uh they all get me to the same place no matter which one I'm doing.
22:01
SPEAKER_00: Um, but for people who are maybe unfamiliar with breath work or who are curious about it, um I'd love to hear a little bit more about your specific style that you use with clients and also the one you did in Costa Rica, because that sounded like a very potent, magical uh yeah, experience.
22:19
SPEAKER_01: So you are the first person who I've talked to that had that experience with different breath work techniques that they all get you there.
22:27
SPEAKER_01: I which is I applaud that.
22:30
SPEAKER_01: I will I'll just say that I've tried many.
22:33
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
22:34
SPEAKER_01: And so most of the fast-paced ones, holotropic breath work, pranayama is kind of fast-paced.
22:41
SPEAKER_01: It's a kind of a one-two punch, it's kind of fast.
22:43
SPEAKER_01: They I've gotten there with pranayama, holotropic, I can't get there because it's it makes me dizzy.
22:50
SPEAKER_01: It's just it, and what I've learned in my training is that a fast-paced breath work, the beauty of that is it's gonna get you in touch with your life force.
23:02
SPEAKER_01: So if you need to give a presentation or you need a higher energy, a fast-paced breath work is the way to go.
23:10
SPEAKER_01: It will it will infuse you with energy.
23:12
SPEAKER_01: If you want to go do a soul journey, a slow paced breath work will be the easier means in.
23:22
SPEAKER_01: And so I do circular integrative breathing.
23:26
SPEAKER_01: That is what we did on the retreat in Costa Rica.
23:29
SPEAKER_01: It is a very slow, deep inhale.
23:34
SPEAKER_01: So I imagine I'm breathing in.
23:37
SPEAKER_01: From my root chakra, right from the base of my spine.
23:41
SPEAKER_01: And I'm it's an energy manipulation along with the breath.
23:45
SPEAKER_01: I'm pulling that energy up all the way to my pineal gland.
23:51
SPEAKER_01: Now, most of us think we're at a full breath when we're about heart level.
23:55
SPEAKER_01: You're breathing in till you cannot take in a drop more of oxygen.
24:00
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
24:01
SPEAKER_01: And it's in through the nose, out through the nose, no gaps.
24:06
SPEAKER_01: So when you get to the very top, no gap, you're letting that oxygen fall out.
24:13
SPEAKER_01: And the outbreath becomes even slower.
24:17
SPEAKER_01: And if I were to count if in the beginning, it would probably be an in-breath of eight and an out breath of 12.
24:26
SPEAKER_01: But what we know is as you get further into it and you get don't count, you should get lost in the act of breathing, just lost in the act.
24:37
SPEAKER_01: And as you become the act of breathing, that energy body will loosen from your physical form and your need for breath will become even less.
24:47
SPEAKER_01: So in Hindu, there is a word called Samadhi.
24:52
SPEAKER_01: Have you heard of it?
24:53
SPEAKER_00: No.
24:53
SPEAKER_01: Samadhi means that you are breathing so slowly that you're being breathed and your need for air becomes less.
25:04
SPEAKER_01: Like yogis have been in samadhi, where by all accounts they thought they were dead, or they put themselves into an anesthesia state without any anesthesia to have surgery, purely manipulating their breath because it's so slowed down that you're barely breathing at all.
25:25
SPEAKER_01: And that's when on PET scans, I love it.
25:30
SPEAKER_01: I love our visitor.
25:33
SPEAKER_01: I love it.
25:34
SPEAKER_01: I I believe that cats are some of the most evolved species on the planet.
25:38
SPEAKER_01: So I'm glad she's here.
25:43
SPEAKER_01: Um, what was I gonna say?
25:46
SPEAKER_01: I well totally lost my train because I I'm enamored with the face of God here.
25:51
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, no.
25:52
SPEAKER_01: Two faces of God looking at me.
25:55
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
25:55
SPEAKER_00: Her timing is always interesting.
25:57
SPEAKER_00: But yeah, anytime I'm on an interview or a call, she's always got to come and make her appearance.
26:02
SPEAKER_00: And then usually I can get her to kind of settle here, yeah, for a little bit and she'll kind of hang out.
26:07
SPEAKER_00: But you were sharing about the the integrative um, the integrative breath work.
26:13
SPEAKER_00: I feel like there's a word I'm missing.
26:14
SPEAKER_01: Oh, samity.
26:16
SPEAKER_01: Samadi, the Hindu word samadhi.
26:18
SPEAKER_01: So what I was gonna say is when we get into that that deep place where we're being breathed and our energetic body has loosened from our physical forms, on a PET scan, you will see that the whole brain is lit up.
26:35
SPEAKER_01: Normally, we go through life in what we call default mode network, and that is a uh on a functional MRI, it's nine well-groved pathways.
26:46
SPEAKER_01: It's self-referential, everything's about me.
26:50
SPEAKER_01: Uh, it's looking for the shortcut, sleepwalking through life.
26:54
SPEAKER_01: When you are in Somity, your whole brain is lit up, which is really powerful to pluck from the field of potentials what you want to create.
27:05
SPEAKER_01: It's you are in the quantum field.
27:08
SPEAKER_01: But also what's happening is you're in the state of bliss, and that physiologically happens because as you're breathing that energy up, these there's crystals in your cerebral spinal fluid, they come up to the ventricles that rate uh on either side of the pineal gland, and the chemical DMT, which lays dormant in the pineal gland, gets activated.
27:37
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, do you think most of your listeners know what DMT is?
27:41
SPEAKER_00: I would say that some do.
27:43
SPEAKER_00: I work with psychedelics myself and I I sprinkle it in quite often here.
27:48
SPEAKER_00: Oh, good.
27:49
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but maybe for folks who don't, maybe you could share us a little bit more about DMT and what you mean by that.
27:56
SPEAKER_01: Well, so a lot of people know that it is what makes certain plant medicines, uh medicine psychedelic, you have these journeys that are very similar to a breath work journey.
28:10
SPEAKER_01: I've I've done plant medicines as well.
28:13
SPEAKER_01: The journeys are just as vivid with the auditory, the visual, and the somatic experiences.
28:20
SPEAKER_01: But what a lot of people don't realize is that the same DMT is in our pineal glands, and I suspect it's in every living being.
28:30
SPEAKER_01: But it lays dormant in there unless it's activated.
28:34
SPEAKER_01: When that DMT comes out, it comes into our cells as a messenger of well-being.
28:42
SPEAKER_01: So, in and of itself, it it is healing.
28:45
SPEAKER_01: You're it's sending a signal to yourselves.
28:48
SPEAKER_01: All is well, you're coherent, you're in coherence now.
28:52
SPEAKER_01: And I'm sure you felt, Weaver, as as I have, when you're under the influence of the medicine, you're like, I remember one time saying, Oh my god, I'm God, and you're God.
29:04
SPEAKER_01: And why aren't we all walking around remembering that we're God?
29:09
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, right?
29:10
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but then you have to live it when the when the medicine wears off.
29:15
SPEAKER_01: Yes, yeah, but that message still came into your cells, and what's interesting is physiologically you get retain more interstitial fluid in your cells when when the DMT has come in.
29:31
SPEAKER_01: Why that's interesting is because you can hold a higher amplification frequency.
29:37
SPEAKER_01: So you are actually what you are doing in the physical realm informs the subtle realm.
29:44
SPEAKER_01: You're amplifying at a higher energy, closer to bliss.
29:49
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
29:51
SPEAKER_00: Thank you for articulating it in that way.
29:53
SPEAKER_00: I've never had it explained in that way.
29:56
SPEAKER_00: And to me, it makes a lot of sense.
29:58
SPEAKER_00: I can kind of I'm getting like little pieces of my own sort of experience, kind of dropping in here, kind of bringing everything together.
30:06
SPEAKER_00: And what I find interesting is the technique that you explained here, because it is a little different than the one that I have been trained in, the one that I use with my clients.
30:16
SPEAKER_00: I use open mouth breathing, and I do also resonate with the slower pace.
30:21
SPEAKER_00: I have been in communities where there is an encouragement of a quicker, faster rhythm.
30:26
SPEAKER_00: And I think for a while that that worked, and I can kind of see how those experiences were more energizing, as you explained.
30:35
SPEAKER_00: And as I went deeper and as I continued to explore other modalities and trauma-informed care, there has then been this slowing down in my work, not just personally but professionally.
30:47
SPEAKER_00: And now the technique that I use, um, or rather the style, is more of a slower pace.
30:53
SPEAKER_00: So I appreciate you making that distinction because I think it's an important one to make, depending on what people are wanting to experience and access.
31:03
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and the only other thing that I would say that's just comes up for me now is with a faster paced breathing, and and when you're working with clients that have a trauma background, especially trauma that's been unprocessed, there's a higher likelihood of tetany, which is those claw hands, which can be very, very painful for people.
31:26
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
31:28
SPEAKER_01: You're really not going to get that with the slow-paced breathing, because even if you don't fully surrender, you've activated your parasympathetic.
31:38
SPEAKER_01: So even if you only get to the point where you came out of it, you're like, man, I feel so relaxed.
31:44
SPEAKER_01: Well, that's a win.
31:46
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
31:46
SPEAKER_01: For a lot of people, relaxing is a win.
31:49
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
31:50
SPEAKER_01: But then as you've had a couple of experiences with relaxing, your ego is going to feel safer to let you go further, and you'll get to the place.
32:03
SPEAKER_01: I know when I first started doing breath work on the retreat, and we would did it one-on-one with a guide, or we did it in groups.
32:12
SPEAKER_01: Well, when I was with the guide, my ego's like, oh my God, this is pretty vulnerable.
32:19
SPEAKER_01: This guide could ask me to do anything, and I would probably do it.
32:24
SPEAKER_01: Like, this is what my ego is saying.
32:27
SPEAKER_01: And then, of course, my higher self, I guess, was like, but this is so delicious.
32:33
SPEAKER_01: Just go with it.
32:34
SPEAKER_01: And he and he's not gonna violate that.
32:36
SPEAKER_01: He's a healer, right?
32:38
SPEAKER_01: So then I then I quiet the ego down and I go in and I surrender.
32:42
SPEAKER_01: But that's what's happening inside a lot of people's minds.
32:46
SPEAKER_01: They're like, this feels too vulnerable, but that relaxation is going to help you feel safe enough to actually let go and go fully in.
32:58
SPEAKER_00: Yes, yes.
32:59
SPEAKER_00: We have to feel safe enough to actually go to those depths, 100%.
33:03
SPEAKER_00: I really appreciate what you shared too about the tetany.
33:06
SPEAKER_00: Uh, this is something that I usually orient my clients to, and it's not something I see a lot in my sessions, and I think that really speaks to the slower pace that I encourage people to take.
33:15
SPEAKER_00: Um, but I remember when I was first starting, and when I was um that's the I was trained to do a bit of a faster.
33:22
SPEAKER_00: And I when I was doing that style, I I would see tetany a lot more.
33:26
SPEAKER_00: So I'm getting a little masterclass here.
33:28
SPEAKER_00: Thank you, Colleen.
33:30
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's we're all we're all here as healers, so that's great.
33:35
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, wonderful.
33:37
SPEAKER_00: Well, thanks so much for all you've shared about the breath.
33:40
SPEAKER_00: I think it really speaks to the power of it.
33:43
SPEAKER_00: And I think it's it's it's so accessible, right?
33:46
SPEAKER_00: Like, of course, psychedelics are in plants, they're incredible, they're amazing.
33:51
SPEAKER_00: And maybe not all of us have the ability or the access or the opportunity to explore in that way.
33:58
SPEAKER_00: And the breath is such a it's a tool and it's a power, and it's something that we have access to in any moment, in any day, without anyone else helping us connect to it.
34:11
SPEAKER_01: Well, I would like to say a a little bit of something about that.
34:15
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
34:15
SPEAKER_01: So I'm glad you bring it up, Riva.
34:17
SPEAKER_01: I feel like you're throwing softballs to me.
34:20
SPEAKER_01: I appreciate it.
34:21
SPEAKER_01: So there's a big difference between breath work, which is going to facilitate that inward soul journey.
34:29
SPEAKER_01: And you really need to remove yourself to fully have that experience, and conscious breathing.
34:36
SPEAKER_01: So, conscious breathing is something we can do in any moment.
34:41
SPEAKER_01: The power of it is that it is the only function in our bodies that can be done involuntarily, unconsciously, or consciously and voluntarily.
34:52
SPEAKER_01: That's not random.
34:53
SPEAKER_01: And all the ancient religions knew it.
34:56
SPEAKER_01: Jesus breathed the Holy Spirit unto his disciples.
35:01
SPEAKER_01: The Hebrew word for kiss, Neshika, means to breathe together.
35:07
SPEAKER_00: Wow.
35:08
SPEAKER_01: All of the ancient religions knew the power of conscious breath.
35:13
SPEAKER_01: It lights up your frontal cortex, dropping you squarely into this moment.
35:19
SPEAKER_01: It reduces the mental chatter in your head, dropping you into this moment, and it lights up your left prefrontal cortex so that you can better experience positive emotions while deactivating your amygdala.
35:35
SPEAKER_01: It activates your parasympathetic nervous system, all these great physiological effects, and it drops you into here and now.
35:44
SPEAKER_01: That's the most precious gift of conscious breath.
35:47
SPEAKER_01: So anytime that we're reactive, what's the first thing that happens?
35:54
SPEAKER_00: Well, if we're reacting, we usually react and act, but if we can maybe put a little buffer in between that and breathe, I think sometimes it gives us an opportunity to choose differently.
36:06
SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
36:07
SPEAKER_01: Because when we're in reaction, we're contracting.
36:10
SPEAKER_01: And when we contract our muscles, we contract our diaphragm and we forget to breathe.
36:16
SPEAKER_01: We're out of, we we're just holding our breath.
36:19
SPEAKER_01: But when we can go back and know when we can notice that reaction before having some kind of physical outward reaction from it, we can choose to lengthen our breath and choose to like I stand in my throat most of the day.
36:36
SPEAKER_01: I'm standing in my throat.
36:38
SPEAKER_01: That act of focusing there, because that's where I feel my breath the most.
36:43
SPEAKER_01: My head can't be in that diatribe.
36:47
SPEAKER_01: So it's quiet up here, and I get to fully experience, and all my senses are heightened.
36:55
SPEAKER_01: So it's it's it's the work off of the mat is conscious breathing.
37:00
SPEAKER_00: Yes, I love that.
37:02
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
37:02
SPEAKER_00: When I I haven't been as connected with my yoga practice, but when I was, that was a phrase that I would hear a lot and that I would play with a lot is taking what we've cultivated and experienced on the mat off of the mat into our day-to-day.
37:17
SPEAKER_00: And I think that's so important because it's it's easy to have, you know, these peak experiences and collect all these insights and these downloads.
37:25
SPEAKER_00: But how we're living in our day-to-day, how we're being in our day-to-day, I think is a direct reflection of how much we're actually able to integrate all of that and allow it to change us and to shape our lives in new ways, which is, I think, is the ultimate goal when we're we're walking this path.
37:44
SPEAKER_01: Beautiful.
37:44
SPEAKER_01: Yes.
37:45
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
37:46
SPEAKER_00: Well, I'd also love to touch on your career as a psychologist.
37:51
SPEAKER_00: And you made some interesting points in the book that really resonated with me about sort of, correct me if I'm using the wrong word here, but I'm gonna say the shortcomings of your training as a psychologist.
38:04
SPEAKER_00: And I'd love to hear a little bit about what those gaps were and how you've been able to fill these gaps with the energetic and the somatic modalities that you now incorporate.
38:17
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, thanks for that.
38:18
SPEAKER_01: You know, I was trained in cognitive behavioral psychology, which is a lot of talking and looking at how your words and your actions and feelings are all connected.
38:31
SPEAKER_01: How they it's a bi-directional relationship.
38:34
SPEAKER_01: And there's some insight in that, but really most of what cognitive behavioral does is it it gives you tools to cope better.
38:42
SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna help you and manage care wants that.
38:45
SPEAKER_01: Let's put band-aids on it.
38:46
SPEAKER_01: And a lot of people want it.
38:48
SPEAKER_01: I just want the band-aid, I just want to cope better.
38:52
SPEAKER_01: But true healing is not about a tool, it's it's a really about going in and actually changing how that energy is in your body.
39:04
SPEAKER_01: Breath work is the means in.
39:08
SPEAKER_01: If you meditate, you're in breath work.
39:11
SPEAKER_01: If you're doing psychedelics, you're in breath work.
39:13
SPEAKER_01: The means in is the breath.
39:15
SPEAKER_01: It is our soul.
39:17
SPEAKER_01: And so and the surrender is the other piece.
39:20
SPEAKER_01: You have to surrender.
39:22
SPEAKER_01: What I love about somatics and internal family systems is they both are two different doorways to our inner landscape.
39:31
SPEAKER_01: So in somatics, you're listening to your body's impulses, your the signals, and you're tracking the signals, and those signals will lead you to emotions, to memories, to different feelings.
39:48
SPEAKER_01: And and so you're coming in through the sensation door.
39:52
SPEAKER_01: In internal family systems, and the breath helps you to hear all these things.
39:57
SPEAKER_01: In internal family systems, you're noticing maybe in your life off the mat when you had a reaction.
40:05
SPEAKER_01: So you're starting there.
40:06
SPEAKER_01: I I had this reaction, and then you're following the reaction because that is an unprocessed energy that is likely a wounded child.
40:17
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
40:18
SPEAKER_01: All of the these wounded children got pushed down early in our childhood when our parents judged us, punished us, rejected any part of us.
40:31
SPEAKER_01: We were like, well, they have to be right.
40:33
SPEAKER_01: They're taking care of me.
40:35
SPEAKER_01: They're my sole caregivers.
40:37
SPEAKER_01: I have to bond with them.
40:39
SPEAKER_01: They must be right.
40:40
SPEAKER_01: They know it all, and I must be bad.
40:42
SPEAKER_01: But it's not all of me that's bad.
40:44
SPEAKER_01: It's only that part.
40:45
SPEAKER_01: So I'm gonna push that part down.
40:47
SPEAKER_01: Um I've rejected it.
40:49
SPEAKER_01: They rejected it, they're right.
40:51
SPEAKER_01: But those parts, they took all the pain, but then they come up and they try to drive the bus of our experience, right?
40:59
SPEAKER_01: They do.
41:01
SPEAKER_01: They and they blend with us, they take us out of our true nature, and their coping is at a three-year-old level or a five-year-old level.
41:10
SPEAKER_01: They they and they don't want to drive the bus.
41:14
SPEAKER_01: So so IFS goes in through those psyches that we we've rejected, but they're tied to the sensations, and so either way, you're exploring all of your inner landscape for the first time in a complete deep way that you probably never did before.
41:38
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, talking isn't gonna get us to those layers.
41:41
SPEAKER_01: No, and what's really amazing, Reeva, as you know and see with your clients, is the only healer for physical, mental, emotional is love.
41:54
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, love is the only healer, it's bringing us back into wholeness, into cohesiveness.
42:01
SPEAKER_01: And so when we can bring love to those parts that we rejected, we're now they're welcome.
42:09
SPEAKER_01: We've established a relationship and it takes a while, right?
42:13
SPEAKER_01: I can't just be like, hey, hey, anger, I'm here to love you.
42:18
SPEAKER_01: Anger's gonna be like f off, right?
42:21
SPEAKER_01: Because I'm angry.
42:24
SPEAKER_01: So it takes time to build the relationship, and finally these wounded parts can open their heart to receive the love, and that's when the healing happens.
42:37
SPEAKER_01: And all of that process, as I talked about earlier, when we can take this love inwardly, and that becomes our lens outwardly.
42:48
SPEAKER_01: Well, now life can love us back, and you really like you step into another dimension of abundance.
42:56
SPEAKER_01: And I don't know how to explain it another way, but I was in that other dimension, I didn't like it, and I'm like, man, I worked so hard.
43:05
SPEAKER_01: Why aren't things working out for me?
43:08
SPEAKER_01: Because we can't see our blind spots.
43:12
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
43:13
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
43:14
SPEAKER_00: I'm noticing uh a little bit of tears kind of well up behind my eyes.
43:18
SPEAKER_00: You're sharing this, and it just really speaks to the deep resonance that I'm feeling in what you're sharing as far as meeting those parts of ourselves with love, with compassion, with a softness, with a gentleness.
43:32
SPEAKER_00: And it's something that I've experienced within myself and something I witness in my clients all the time.
43:37
SPEAKER_00: But there is this opening, um, this softening that really happens when we approach ourselves, when we relate to ourselves in this way.
43:47
SPEAKER_00: And it sounds so simple.
43:49
SPEAKER_00: And I know it's not always easy for folks just just because of the world that we live in.
43:53
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, everything that we're absorbing all the time that are that are sort of encouraging us to disconnect from this perspective.
44:00
SPEAKER_00: And for me, I I have my own thoughts and beliefs on our society and and the ways in what we we've built our systems.
44:09
SPEAKER_00: And part of me feels like, and again, this is just my theory, that that part of these systems were designed on purpose to a certain degree, because people are easier to control, easier to manipulate.
44:24
SPEAKER_00: People are more likely to follow along when they're disconnected from these parts of themselves.
44:29
SPEAKER_00: And so, why would we want to put tools and modalities that actually help people heal and change and reorient inside when other tools might keep people perpetuating in these same cycles?
44:43
SPEAKER_00: So just curious what your thoughts are on that, especially as a psychologist.
44:48
SPEAKER_01: Well, that is the whole premise of the book, The Secret and the documentary.
44:53
SPEAKER_01: I don't know if you've read the book or seen the documentary.
44:55
SPEAKER_00: Well, it's been years, but I remember when it first came out and it was all the rage.
44:59
SPEAKER_01: Well, and so the premise is hey, there is this secret that abundance can be for all of us.
45:06
SPEAKER_01: But these people in power did not want us to know that we created all, we can magnetize all abundance to us.
45:16
SPEAKER_01: They wanted to keep us subservient, so they kept it a secret.
45:20
SPEAKER_01: And how how do you tap into abundance?
45:25
SPEAKER_01: You you have to bring your heart back to life to magnetize it.
45:30
SPEAKER_01: You have to trust the quantum field.
45:32
SPEAKER_01: You have actually have to trust that life is gonna love you back.
45:36
SPEAKER_01: These are Radically different, difficult to will.
45:42
SPEAKER_01: You can't will that.
45:43
SPEAKER_01: You have to heal yourself to be able to bring a trusting frequency.
45:49
SPEAKER_01: And and so absolutely, and it's and you said these powers want to keep us separate from ourselves, and there's so absolutely a hundred percent.
45:59
SPEAKER_01: They also want to keep us separate from each other.
46:03
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
46:03
SPEAKER_01: They do not want us to remember that we are all one.
46:09
SPEAKER_01: If we are all one, there is no hierarchy, there is no power.
46:14
SPEAKER_01: And as a collective, we then take the power.
46:18
SPEAKER_01: And that I believe will happen as we get to the end of this collective awakening, this 55-year period.
46:26
SPEAKER_01: I mean, it's gonna be rigorous because growth only happens from an uncomfortable place.
46:34
SPEAKER_01: But even though it's uncomfortable, we're given everything we need.
46:39
SPEAKER_01: That is the part we need to remember.
46:43
SPEAKER_01: For life to show us that we're limitless, it has to put our self-perceived limits right up in our face and ask us to walk past it.
46:55
SPEAKER_01: Remember who you are, remember you're limitless.
46:59
SPEAKER_01: That and we don't like that.
47:01
SPEAKER_01: We're like, no, that's the limit.
47:03
SPEAKER_01: No, it's not.
47:04
SPEAKER_01: Keep going.
47:05
SPEAKER_01: I love you enough.
47:07
SPEAKER_01: Get out there.
47:08
SPEAKER_01: And it feels you know, we could call it pain.
47:12
SPEAKER_01: We're gonna bring a different energy than if we call it a challenge, or I like to call it a love squeeze because that's what it really is.
47:21
SPEAKER_01: Love is squeezing me to remember.
47:24
SPEAKER_01: I I can do more, I am more, I have no limits, and and it's radical when we accept that and we what seems like a free-fall, like I'm skydiving, I know I'm really floating down a river, you know.
47:41
SPEAKER_01: That's the truth.
47:42
SPEAKER_01: And and so this is all part of the reprogramming.
47:48
SPEAKER_01: You get inundated TV, I don't watch it because that's just an inundation of propaganda.
47:55
SPEAKER_01: That they it's drinking the matrix tea.
47:59
unknown: Yeah.
47:59
SPEAKER_00: Well said.
48:00
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, it feels like a really important time for people to meet these parts of themselves, to really care for themselves in these deeper ways, and to really take accountability and responsibility for our life experiences and for the worlds that we're currently shaping right now.
48:21
SPEAKER_00: And I know that our listeners here are are on their own paths as well.
48:25
SPEAKER_00: And so I'm curious as we're slowly reaching the end of our time here, if there are, I always kind of like to end with some practical things that people can explore if they're feeling inspired by today's episode, one of which being, of course, to read Colleen's book, because as I've mentioned, it really does I have been experiencing as a map.
48:46
SPEAKER_00: And if you pay attention, there's little signposts and nuggets to kind of read along the way.
48:51
SPEAKER_00: But what would be some maybe first steps that you would invite any of our listeners to take if if they're wanting to explore this more deeply?
49:00
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, well, thank you for mentioning Essence Merging, because uh that's exactly why I wrote it.
49:07
SPEAKER_01: I wanted it to be a primer of what you could expect.
49:10
SPEAKER_01: And and there's a lot of, you know, there's challenges, but there's it's filled with inspiration.
49:16
SPEAKER_01: And and it really, it's the path that I see everyone has to go through.
49:20
SPEAKER_01: You've got to feel it to transmute it.
49:23
SPEAKER_01: And so so that there's that.
49:25
SPEAKER_01: But and also, since we talked a lot about internal family systems, I would recommend another book.
49:32
SPEAKER_01: Uh, it's written by Jay Early.
49:35
SPEAKER_01: It's called Self-Therapy.
49:38
SPEAKER_01: And he has the most beautiful practices using your breath work and surrender to go in with a trusted guide.
49:47
SPEAKER_01: So whether that's a therapist or you know, a your best friend that you trust, you know, with everything, and will give you step-by-step of how to find these wounded children and hear what they have to say.
50:01
SPEAKER_01: Beautiful.
50:02
SPEAKER_01: Really beautiful book.
50:04
SPEAKER_01: Also, I would say if you're not really sure how to do breath work, but you'd like to learn more.
50:10
SPEAKER_01: I have step-by-step videos on YouTube.
50:14
SPEAKER_01: Um, my link is essence merging-colleen quinnph.
50:20
SPEAKER_01: So if you're not fully stuck in the voice of the mind, it might be hard if your voice is is relentless.
50:30
SPEAKER_01: You might need a guide.
50:31
SPEAKER_01: But if you feel like you could surrender, there would be a value in doing those explorations.
50:38
SPEAKER_01: And then my final thing I would say is when you're out of your breath.
50:44
SPEAKER_01: Notice when you're reactive, when the voices have taken over in your head.
50:49
SPEAKER_01: Come back to your breath like you're training a puppy.
50:53
SPEAKER_01: No judgment.
50:54
SPEAKER_01: Just bring that puppy back to the mat and come back to your breath.
50:58
SPEAKER_01: Your life will change.
51:00
SPEAKER_01: I have a couple more.
51:01
SPEAKER_01: I if we have a few more minutes.
51:03
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, absolutely.
51:04
SPEAKER_01: Please notice the words coming out of your mouth.
51:08
SPEAKER_01: Word energy is the most powerful energy in this realm.
51:13
SPEAKER_01: So if you're saying negative things or and if that bad thing happens, my husband loves to do that one.
51:21
SPEAKER_01: I I challenge him every time.
51:23
SPEAKER_01: No, no, we're not giving that the energy.
51:25
SPEAKER_01: We're in trust.
51:27
SPEAKER_01: You know, if that bad thing happens, I'm gonna do it on my own effort.
51:31
SPEAKER_01: No, or you know, and people saying, I'm tired, or I'm a diabetic, or I'm a loser.
51:38
SPEAKER_01: Well, I am is the most powerful word energy.
51:43
SPEAKER_01: So be careful, notice what you're putting after those words.
51:48
SPEAKER_01: Any negative words, you're putting a low frequency, undesirable outcome out into the energy field.
51:58
SPEAKER_01: You're drawing to yourself what you do not want.
52:01
SPEAKER_01: So I challenge all of your listeners to rewind the tape, literally for a week.
52:09
SPEAKER_01: Rewind the tape.
52:10
SPEAKER_01: Anytime you hear yourself saying something that you're like, oh, I don't really want that.
52:14
SPEAKER_01: Wait a minute, let me rephrase that and notice what changes for you.
52:20
SPEAKER_01: Very powerful.
52:21
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, our words are very powerful.
52:24
SPEAKER_00: And this is something I've explored uh more deeply as the years have gone by.
52:28
SPEAKER_00: But I am very intentional with my words, and I do exactly what you've mentioned.
52:33
SPEAKER_00: When there are moments where I say something, I will pause, I will rewind, and I will reword it in a way that is uh either more neutral or that is more of a reflection of what I do want to experience.
52:44
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
52:45
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
52:46
SPEAKER_00: Beautiful.
52:48
SPEAKER_00: Thank you for those.
52:49
SPEAKER_00: We're definitely gonna leave the link to self-therapy and your YouTube video, um, as well as your website and your book in the show notes.
52:56
SPEAKER_00: Um, I guess we're sort of making our way to some closing words.
52:59
SPEAKER_00: I feel like I could talk and listen to you speak for a long time.
53:04
SPEAKER_00: But you've you've weaved in this word of surrender sort of several times throughout the conversation.
53:10
SPEAKER_00: And I'd love to hear a little bit more about what surrendering is to you and kind of what we might bump up against as we start to explore surrendering.
53:23
SPEAKER_01: I love that question, Reva.
53:26
SPEAKER_01: Because surrender is essence merging.
53:30
SPEAKER_01: Surrender is detaching from our ego to merge fully with the experience we're having.
53:38
SPEAKER_01: So whether I'm in breath work or I'm reading a book or walking in the woods or in a conversation with another face of God, all of those were a face of God.
53:51
SPEAKER_01: So my breath is the face of God, the woods is the face of God, you are the face of God.
53:58
SPEAKER_01: Folding the laundry is the face of God.
54:00
SPEAKER_01: And when I merge with the experience, so there is no me, there is no you, there's just this experience, this energy that we're creating and we're swimming, and it elevates everything.
54:14
SPEAKER_01: Well, that's the surrender.
54:16
SPEAKER_01: The ego's not, there has no place in that.
54:20
SPEAKER_01: The ego's not in charge, and the ego is resting, being taken care of.
54:24
SPEAKER_01: All those wounded children are happy.
54:27
SPEAKER_01: They're happy because they're trusting that my true self's got it, got it, and they can feel the all the good feels from that.
54:37
SPEAKER_01: And that's the way it should be.
54:39
SPEAKER_01: So that's what surrender is.
54:41
SPEAKER_01: It's getting lost in the act, whatever the act is.
54:45
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
54:46
SPEAKER_00: And it sounds like an accepting of what is.
54:49
SPEAKER_00: I think a lot of times the friction that we experience comes from not accepting what is what is happening in the present and the now.
54:58
SPEAKER_00: And so when we can just come into a deeper acceptance and relationship with that, then there is this sort of lightness that starts to come in because we're not trying to fight what we're actually experiencing.
55:10
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
55:11
SPEAKER_01: And I was just gonna wrap up with saying the next time you go into the grocery store, notice that you're all in the same fishbowl, but everyone is in a different dimension.
55:24
SPEAKER_01: So, and some people brought their frustration and some people brought, you know, their impatience, and some people brought their sickness.
55:34
SPEAKER_01: And I'm usually singing to Flo Ryder on the music, right?
55:40
SPEAKER_01: I mean, right?
55:41
SPEAKER_01: So you can choose.
55:44
SPEAKER_01: You can choose what you bring to any moment, it's always available like your breath.
55:50
SPEAKER_01: So why not choose just to be in the witness, if nothing else?
55:55
SPEAKER_01: I'm just gonna observe this crazy traffic.
55:58
SPEAKER_01: Well, there's a lot of energy happening out there.
56:01
SPEAKER_01: I can't do anything about it, so I'm just gonna observe it, and it's marvelous stuff's always amusing me.
56:07
SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
56:08
SPEAKER_01: Life's amusing if we let it.
56:10
SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
56:11
SPEAKER_00: Well, some wonderful closing words and some really um, yeah, just some powerful invitations for our listeners to explore.
56:20
SPEAKER_00: So I invite our listeners to maybe choose one thing to experiment and play with over the next couple of weeks as we're making our way through cancer season.
56:30
SPEAKER_00: And I just want to thank you, Colleen, for your wisdom.
56:33
SPEAKER_00: Again, this was I I love the guest interviews for my listeners, and I also love them for myself too, because I learned just as much from these conversations.
56:43
SPEAKER_00: So really appreciate your time and your energy and your rich life experience and all that you've brought to this conversation.
56:51
SPEAKER_00: And I really invite listeners to learn more from Colleen from her book, uh Essence Merging, which you can get pretty much anywhere you get books, right?
56:59
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
57:00
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
57:01
SPEAKER_00: Okay, wonderful.
57:02
SPEAKER_00: Well, thanks again, Colleen.
57:04
SPEAKER_00: Thank you, Riva.
57:06
SPEAKER_00: You're beautiful.
57:07
SPEAKER_00: Thank you.
57:07
SPEAKER_00: Right back at you.