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JOCELYN, 12, LURED FROM 7-ELEVEN, STRANGLED, UNCLOTHED IN CREEK: New Charges · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 2: In the Last Days, a bizarre twist in the migrant
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  Speaker 2: murder of a little twelve year old girl, Jocelyn Nungary.
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  Speaker 2: This emerging after a claim of a brutal rape by
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  Speaker 2: an American woman on vacation. What does that have to
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  Speaker 2: do with twelve year old Jocelyn? I'm Nancy Grace. This
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  Speaker 2: is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us. We
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  Speaker 2: will never forget the murder of a beautiful little girl,
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  Speaker 2: Jocelyn Nungry, just twelve years old.
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  Speaker 1: Last summer.
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  Speaker 2: Suspects in her devastating murder were revealed to be illegal immigrants,
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  Speaker 2: migrants who entered our country illegally just months before. It
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  Speaker 2: was Franklin Jose Piinorramos twenty six and Johann Jose Martinez
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  Speaker 2: Rangel twenty two, who allegedly lured the little girl underneath
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  Speaker 2: a bridge, sex assaulted her for hours, then murdering her
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  Speaker 2: and leaving her strangled body in the bayou near the bridge.
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  Speaker 2: In the last Days, an American woman who had been
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  Speaker 2: vacationing in Costa Rica tells authorities she was raped Franklin
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  Speaker 2: Jose Pina Ramos. According to the witness, the attack occurred
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  Speaker 2: in Central America just before Nungary was murdered on June seventeen. Now,
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  Speaker 2: that was as Pina was en routed to the US
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  Speaker 2: from South America. Now, the woman went to Costa Rican
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  Speaker 2: authorities after she was attacked, but she was ignored. Now,
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  Speaker 2: this is according to Kim Ogg, who was District attorney
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  Speaker 2: in Houston until January. Ogg says when the victim reported
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  Speaker 2: it to authorities in Costa Rica, they did absolutely nothing.
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  Speaker 2: Ogg says when she learned about the Costa Rican victim
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  Speaker 2: last year, she immediately decided to seek the death penalty
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  Speaker 2: for both men in Jocelyn's case. What exactly happened in
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  Speaker 2: Jocelyn's case? Jocelyn, just twelve years old, lured from a
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  Speaker 2: local seven to eleven, found strangled and unclothed, tied up
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  Speaker 2: in a creek.
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  Speaker 3: The chief, we're here to share some very horrible news.
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  Speaker 3: Someone has taken one of our innocent children, promised today.
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  Speaker 3: A twelve year old little girl found her this morning,
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  Speaker 3: and we believe somebody did this horrible thing to her,
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  Speaker 3: and we are here to ask for your help.
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  Speaker 4: I'm like angry that the advantage of her.
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  Speaker 5: She's so young, so you'd take my baby away.
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  Speaker 1: Now I get too, little brother Noles to say that.
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  Speaker 2: We can hold that emotional video of Jocen's mother from
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  Speaker 2: our friends Akhou.
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  Speaker 1: It all started when we heard this.
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  Speaker 6: Listen to find out if anybody knows anything, anybody saw anything,
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  Speaker 6: anybody can share that information so we can figure out
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  Speaker 6: what happened to her exactly, and we can find whoever
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  Speaker 6: did this and get them off the street.
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  Speaker 3: I've talked to this child, to mother. Of course, she
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  Speaker 3: is devastated, her family is devastating. Her little girl is gone.
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  Speaker 3: So we need your help.
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  Speaker 2: This little girl goes to bed. My mommy goes to bed,
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  Speaker 2: a twelve year old little girl, Jocelyn. Then she sneaks
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  Speaker 2: out for what to go about a block to the
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  Speaker 2: seven to eleven and call her little boyfriend. That's it,
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  Speaker 2: just a phone call. She never came home. This is
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  Speaker 2: what more we know.
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  Speaker 7: I'm going to talk to you about an incident that
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  Speaker 7: happened around six am this morning. A citizen called nine
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  Speaker 7: to one one regarding a body seen in the shallow
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  Speaker 7: water of the Bayou and your four hundred West Brancolin
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  Speaker 7: Road in the Houston's North Beelt area. Houston's Homicide Division
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  Speaker 7: along with the assistants of the Houston Department's dive team
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  Speaker 7: in the Harris County Medical Examiner's Office, we're able to
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  Speaker 7: recover that body out of the shallow water. There. Harris
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  Speaker 7: County's Medical Examiner's Office is completing an official identification of
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  Speaker 7: the victim.
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  Speaker 2: That little twelve year old girl has been murdered and
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  Speaker 2: we believe raped by who. According to police, two illegal
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  Speaker 2: immigrants also known as no on citizen migrants, one of
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  Speaker 2: them allegedly cutting off his ankle monitor after the murder.
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  Speaker 1: That's right, let that sink in.
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  Speaker 2: One of them cutting off his criminal ankle monitor after
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  Speaker 2: the twelve year old little girl is murdered.
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  Speaker 1: So at the time, this little girl.
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  Speaker 2: Is stripped, tied up, kept under a bridge, being tortured
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  Speaker 2: for two hours, lured away.
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  Speaker 1: From that payphone by these two.
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  Speaker 2: There's no other way to say it, animals, he's wearing
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  Speaker 2: an ankle monitor. He's already committed a crime. There she is,
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  Speaker 2: thinking she's on a real adventure, sneaking to a payphone
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  Speaker 2: to call her a little thirteen year old.
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  Speaker 1: Boyfriend to say good night.
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  Speaker 2: In the background, the little boyfriend, here's adult voice, two
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  Speaker 2: adult voices who walks up to a little twelve year
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  Speaker 2: old girl, lures her away, only to rape and strangle her,
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  Speaker 2: or strip her under a bridge and tie her up
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  Speaker 2: and then throw her half clothed body into a creek.
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  Speaker 1: These two, that's who, why are they even here?
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  Speaker 2: Joining me in All Star panel to makes sense of
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  Speaker 2: what we know right now?
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  Speaker 1: But have any of you had it with.
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  Speaker 2: Violent crime, especially on children, much less by illegal immigrants
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  Speaker 2: that are not supposed to be here anyway?
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  Speaker 1: Why why are they here?
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  Speaker 2: Why are they lurking around unapprehended? And now this little
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  Speaker 2: girl is dead again? Joining me in All Star panel,
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  Speaker 2: but first to Coray Peel investigative reporter kp RC two
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  Speaker 2: in Houston.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us. Corly, start at the beginning.
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  Speaker 4: This tragic story starts when Alexis Nungray tucked her twelve
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  Speaker 4: year old daughter Alexis in bed Sunday night. Last Sunday.
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  Speaker 4: She was expected to go to work with her mother
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  Speaker 4: the next morning, so she said everything was normal, nothing
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  Speaker 4: seemed unusual.
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  Speaker 1: She went to.
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  Speaker 4: Bed around ten o'clock that night, and the next morning
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  Speaker 4: she realized that her daughter was missing. So she gets
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  Speaker 4: in her car. She drives around the neighborhood looking for her.
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  Speaker 4: She starts pinging her daughter's phone, and when she pings
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  Speaker 4: her phone, it takes her to the creek where she
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  Speaker 4: sees a crime scene and detectives Corly Peel.
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  Speaker 2: That is every appearance worse nightmare, because when I can't
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  Speaker 2: find the twins, my children, I just go look at
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  Speaker 2: Life thirty sixty and I see where they are, and
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  Speaker 2: they're where they're supposed to be.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm just imagining this mom. And it was.
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  Speaker 2: Really early in the morning, and Jocelyn, the twelve year
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  Speaker 2: old little girl, was going with mommy to work that morning,
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  Speaker 2: and mommy told her that just before they went to
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  Speaker 2: bid go to bed, go to bed, you got to
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  Speaker 2: get up early because you're going to work with.
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  Speaker 1: Me and mommy goes to sleep. This is what we know. Listen.
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  Speaker 8: Joscelyn Nungary is a helpful, bright, funny girl. At twelve
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  Speaker 8: years old, she helps her mother with her little brother
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  Speaker 8: and at school, she's one of the most popular. On
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  Speaker 8: Sunday night, Jocelyn's mother, Alexis Nungary, reminds her not to
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  Speaker 8: stay up too late, as Jocelyn is going to work
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  Speaker 8: with her in the morning. Alexis tells Joscelyn good night
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  Speaker 8: at ten pm and turns in for the night herself.
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  Speaker 8: A little after ten pm, when she is certain her
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  Speaker 8: mother is asleep, Joscelyn sneaks out of the house and
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  Speaker 8: goes to a local convenience store. It's around midnight when
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  Speaker 8: she calls her thirteen year old boyfriend, who says he
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  Speaker 8: hears Jocelyn talking to some adults before he hangs up
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  Speaker 8: the phone.
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  Speaker 2: Joining me, Doctor Bethany Marshall Reronow psychoanalyst, joining us from LA.
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  Speaker 2: You can find her at doctor Bethany Marshall dot com.
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  Speaker 2: Doctor Bethany, thank you for being with us.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I've.
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  Speaker 2: Actually heard people horrible, people attacking the little girl and
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  Speaker 2: the mom. It was a couple of blocks away. For
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  Speaker 2: what is she out dealing drugs? Is she out horing around?
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  Speaker 2: Is she out joy riding, stealing a car, vandalizing, doing pot,
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  Speaker 2: doing anything wrong? No, she goes to call and say
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  Speaker 2: good night to the little boyfriend who's just thirteen and
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  Speaker 2: he's at home with his parents. That's it, and some
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  Speaker 2: people have actually vilified it.
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  Speaker 1: You know, a lot of people.
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  Speaker 2: Not me, because I was afraid that I wasn't afraid
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  Speaker 2: of what my parents would do to me.
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  Speaker 1: I was afraid they'd be disappointed in me.
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  Speaker 2: I never snuck out, but I can't say the same
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  Speaker 2: for my brother and sister or anybody else I know
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  Speaker 2: that didn't sneak out and do something and actually get
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  Speaker 2: back in without getting caught.
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  Speaker 1: But I hate that, Bethany.
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  Speaker 2: Will people do anything, come up with anything, fabricate anything
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  Speaker 2: to blame a victim. I think I know why they
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  Speaker 2: do it, because it isolates them from a crime like
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  Speaker 2: that'll never happen to me and my child. But this
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  Speaker 2: is a twelve year old little girl who was about
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  Speaker 2: to get up at the crack of dawn to go
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  Speaker 2: with mommy to work.
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  Speaker 9: Nancy.
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  Speaker 10: People are saying all kinds of horrible things, like why
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  Speaker 10: did the mother go to bed before her daughter went
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  Speaker 10: to bed, Why did the little girl sleep sneak out
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  Speaker 10: of the window, Why did she have a boyfriend?
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  Speaker 9: To put this in context, Nancy, by the.
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  Speaker 10: Time children are twelve years old, they are beginning a
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  Speaker 10: developmental trajectory where they will start to distance themselves from
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  Speaker 10: their parents sometimes and start to cling to their peers.
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  Speaker 11: They're preparing to.
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  Speaker 10: Leave home when they're seventeen, eighteen or nineteen. It's how
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  Speaker 10: their brains are developing and growing. So that's why you
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  Speaker 10: see them always wanting to play video games with other people,
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  Speaker 10: or talk.
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  Speaker 9: On the phone with their friends, or look on social media.
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  Speaker 10: It's because their brains are programmed to do that. All
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  Speaker 10: she wanted to do was say good night to her
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  Speaker 10: little boyfriend. This is a twelve year old child who
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  Speaker 10: was doing what twelve year olds do, and she was
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  Speaker 10: from a normal family with a normal mother who was
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  Speaker 10: going to have a sweet day with her the next day,
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  Speaker 10: taking her daughter to work with her.
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  Speaker 2: It's this little girl steaks out of the house to
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  Speaker 2: call the little boyfriend on her cell.
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  Speaker 1: She never makes it home.
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  Speaker 2: Joining me an All Star panel, Corly Peel joining us
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  Speaker 2: kp RC two.
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  Speaker 1: Where was the mom working?
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  Speaker 2: Why was little Joscelyn going with mom to work the
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  Speaker 2: next morning?
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  Speaker 4: No, she didn't reveal that information as to exactly what
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  Speaker 4: they were going to do the next day at work,
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  Speaker 4: but she said they just came back from a vacation
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  Speaker 4: in that weekend, so you know, she told her they
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  Speaker 4: were going to get up early. It was going to
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  Speaker 4: be a completely normal day for them.
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  Speaker 11: Essentially.
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  Speaker 4: You know, at summertime, she doesn't have school, so she
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  Speaker 4: was just going to just tag along with her mom,
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  Speaker 4: who worked the next day. But it was just a heartbreaking,
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  Speaker 4: you know, situation to hear from her mother. She was
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  Speaker 4: just you saw those tears streaming down her face as
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  Speaker 4: she just plead for help, just disbelief as this could
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  Speaker 4: happen to her twelve year old daughters. So again, like
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  Speaker 4: we mentioned parents' worst nightmare, no one thinks that their
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  Speaker 4: child's not going to be there when they wake up
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  Speaker 4: in the morning.
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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 2: In the last Days a bizarre and nefarious twist in
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  Speaker 2: the murder of a twelve year old little girl, Jocelyn Nungery.
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  Speaker 2: In addition to claiming the life of this innocent little girl,
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  Speaker 2: an American citizen on vacation in Costa Rica now makes
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  Speaker 2: a startling and disturbing claim about one of Jocelyn's alleged attackers.
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  Speaker 2: Franklin jose Pino dramas what happened to Jocelyn and what
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  Speaker 2: does it have to do with an American tourist in
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  Speaker 2: Costa Rica?
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  Speaker 1: Lynn.
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  Speaker 2: When I read this story, I could barely contain myself.
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  Speaker 2: Just twelve years old, I'm remembering my children at age twelve,
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  Speaker 2: completely innocent, completely innocent, and this little girl all on
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  Speaker 2: board to go to work with mommy the next morning,
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  Speaker 2: never complaining great grades. You saw her playing I believe
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  Speaker 2: a cello. I mean, there's just a perfect little girl.
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  Speaker 2: And to end like this, this horrible death. When I
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  Speaker 2: think of those two one with an ankle monitor on,
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  Speaker 2: I mean a lot of times, Lynn, we don't allow
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  Speaker 2: ourselves to think about the facts, the actual facts.
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  Speaker 1: Of what happened.
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  Speaker 2: We hear, oh, okay, little girl found dead in a
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  Speaker 2: creek under a bridge, and we stop right there.
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  Speaker 1: We don't follow that through that chain of thought.
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  Speaker 2: But these two animals lured this little girl away from
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  Speaker 2: the seven to eleven where she was using her cell phone.
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  Speaker 1: They lure her to a bridge area.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know when they started forcing her there or not,
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  Speaker 2: but they're walking along with her like they're friends.
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  Speaker 1: They get her down under the.
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  Speaker 2: Bridge, strip her, tie her up, I believe, rape her,
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  Speaker 2: and then strangle her and throw her body into this
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  Speaker 2: By you, I mean like she's.
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  Speaker 11: Trash, Lynn, Nancy, we work so hard with missing children,
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  Speaker 11: sex traffic children, labor traffic children. This story came across
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  Speaker 11: to me very early on, and I said, to myself.
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  Speaker 11: I bet you it's very nefarious. I bet you it
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  Speaker 11: has something to do with our open borders. Let's call
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  Speaker 11: it what it is. I saw this story of a
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  Speaker 11: twelve year old and for me to get tears in
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  Speaker 11: my eyes, I'm pretty hardened about all of this. I
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  Speaker 11: am tired of this, Nancy. I am tired of everybody
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  Speaker 11: making light of what's going on in America. We have
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  Speaker 11: on any given day twenty three hundred children missing in
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  Speaker 11: the United States. There is more to this story. I
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  Speaker 11: believe what the work we do than we're hearing about.
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  Speaker 11: First of all, I heard that she was with her
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  Speaker 11: boyfriend and went to a restaurant to meet these two.
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  Speaker 1: I heard that.
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  Speaker 11: Then I heard she was calling her boyfriend.
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  Speaker 1: Then I heard the.
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  Speaker 11: Houston mayor say she was raped. Then it was walked back.
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  Speaker 11: Nobody else will say right now she was actually raped.
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  Speaker 11: They said that is pending the sexual assault. Well, I
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  Speaker 11: think when you are dumped in a creek with your
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  Speaker 11: pants missing and there's all of this, somebody with that ankle,
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  Speaker 11: I don't even call it an ankle bracelet. Why are
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  Speaker 11: they he in the first place. Ankle bracelet? People's illegal.
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  Speaker 11: They do not belong here. Kids have been jumping out
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  Speaker 11: their windows and doors for years, sneaking out of the house. Nancy,
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  Speaker 11: Why did she go out of the house? Was there
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  Speaker 11: something she online that was happening? Was the boyfriend urging
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  Speaker 11: her to meet him somewhere? We do not know, but
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  Speaker 11: I want questions and I leave you with this. We
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  Speaker 11: have alarms now when somebody breaks in a home or
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  Speaker 11: a business. I'm calling for alarms when kids, anybody is
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  Speaker 11: breaking out. We live in a society now we have
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  Speaker 11: to step up. This is the reality, dark and ugly.
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  Speaker 11: If a child's trying to leave a home, an alarm
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  Speaker 11: will go off on a window or door. This is
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  Speaker 11: what we're faced with today.
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  Speaker 2: A twelve year old little girl is lured away by two.
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  Speaker 1: Adult males that we now are two.
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  Speaker 2: Non citizen migrants aka illegal aliens, one still wearing an
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  Speaker 2: ankle monitor lord under a bridge. She's found stripped, bound
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  Speaker 2: and dead, strangled dead, then thrown into the water. Joining
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  Speaker 2: me Michael Yvonnees, former Houston Police homicide detective, now pi
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  Speaker 2: at why two investigations? Michael, thank you for being with us.
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  Speaker 2: You know Lenna's right. No one will say they rate
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  Speaker 2: the little girl. Then why were her pants off. Why
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  Speaker 2: was she stripped? Why was she bound? Why are cops
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  Speaker 2: saying this much that she was held under the bridge
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  Speaker 2: for two hours at least?
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  Speaker 1: Why? Why?
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  Speaker 2: Why all those circumstances if she was not sex assaulted
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  Speaker 2: and then murdered, Can you imagine this child begging to
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  Speaker 2: go back home to mommy in the middle of the night,
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  Speaker 2: begging for them to leave her alone, begging to live,
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  Speaker 2: and they strangled or anyway, can you imagine that that's
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  Speaker 2: what happened.
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  Speaker 1: That is what happened to Michael.
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  Speaker 12: Of course, Nancy, all those signs are indicative of sexual assault.
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  Speaker 12: And you and I and common sense people, we probably
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  Speaker 12: know that the police are being cautious and what they
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  Speaker 12: tell you and what they released to the public to
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  Speaker 12: preserve their investigation. They're trying to preserve it for court,
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  Speaker 12: and they don't want to They don't want to make
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  Speaker 12: any statement that might upset this case. Further down the road.
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  Speaker 2: Back to special guests joining us. Courley Peel, investigative reporter
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  Speaker 2: tp r C two. Courly, what do we know about
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  Speaker 2: these two guys? I want to talk about them.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, well, we've learned that they are originally from Venezuela,
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  Speaker 4: They've been living in Houston for about a month. That's
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  Speaker 4: according to neighbors who live at the apartment complex where
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  Speaker 4: they were arrested.
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  Speaker 1: We don't know a whole.
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  Speaker 4: Lot right now, but we do know that they were
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  Speaker 4: stopped by border patrol. I Am martine As was stomped
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  Speaker 4: I believe back in March near al Paso, and the
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  Speaker 4: other man was stomped in May. So still a lot
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  Speaker 4: to unpack here about their background, but we do know
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  Speaker 4: that they were here in the US illegally.
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  Speaker 1: Guys.
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  Speaker 2: This is what more we are learning incredible police work.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if you recall Jennifer Dulos, the missing
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  Speaker 2: Connecticut mom of five. Her body has never been found,
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  Speaker 2: but due to a copious amount of blood in her garage,
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  Speaker 2: it has been determined that her husband, Votus Dulos, and
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  Speaker 2: his girlfriend, his mistress, Michelle Traconis, had a hand in
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  Speaker 2: her death.
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  Speaker 1: He murdered her.
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  Speaker 2: This mother of five goes missing, and what the local
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  Speaker 2: police do, in conjunction with others, is they put together
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  Speaker 2: a montage, okay, like a real a demo reel, okay,
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  Speaker 2: and they follow the perp or the through red light
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  Speaker 2: cams through I remember and Jennifer Dulos. There was a
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  Speaker 2: public bus that opened its doors and you see the
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: husband photos of dula Is driving by in somebody else's car.
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: To get it detailed because Jennifer's DNA is all over it,
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: they use traffic cams, tag grabbers, anything, toll bridges, anything
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: with a camera, home security cam, and they put together
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: a timeline in video and I believe that is what
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: the police very wisely did here.
• 20:37
  Speaker 13: Listen, our team has worked tirelessly tracking evidence in this
• 20:40
  Speaker 13: case since the discovery of Joscelyn by a citizen on
• 20:44
  Speaker 13: the morning of June seventeenth, twenty twenty four, because of
• 20:48
  Speaker 13: the assistance of the area community. A surveillance video that
• 20:51
  Speaker 13: our officers have tirelessly tracked down and other evidence heary pieces.
• 20:56
  Speaker 13: We have found and learned that the suspects began their
• 21:00
  Speaker 13: evening at a Northborough area restaurant together. They left that
• 21:04
  Speaker 13: restaurant on foot southbound.
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: And more of what we know about the two defendants
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: now charged with capital martyr of a twelve year old
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: little girl, their movements.
• 21:17
  Speaker 13: Listen, the suspects continued south and we're first seen on
• 21:20
  Speaker 13: a camera and those are the images that we released
• 21:23
  Speaker 13: to you, to all of you and to the public.
• 21:27
  Speaker 13: Suspects seen meeting the victim and talking for a few
• 21:29
  Speaker 13: minutes while they were on Kirkandaal. Later, the suspects and
• 21:34
  Speaker 13: the victim walked together to a convenience store, and those
• 21:37
  Speaker 13: images were also released to you guys in the public.
• 21:40
  Speaker 13: After a few minutes, all three together walked to a bridge,
• 21:44
  Speaker 13: where ultimately Joscelyn was murdered. Suspects continue south towards their
• 21:50
  Speaker 13: residence after leaving Joscelyn there.
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: Oh, they're totally busted.
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: They are following them through veryous surveillance videos. They'll probably
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: bring in cell phone pings, all sorts of digital proof
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: to show it's these two guys that took Jocelyn then
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: forced her down under a bridge, very reminiscent of the
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: two little girls in Delphi forced under a trestle bridge. Now,
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: who sees this little girl at the seven eleven. All
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: she's doing is thinking out to call her a little
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: boyfriend on her cell phone, so mommy won't hear. Who
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: sees this girl and thinks, hey, I'm going to rape
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: her and murder her. Nobody except these two. I was
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: asking you earlier, what do we know about these guys.
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: We know that they are Jose Roguel Martinez and Franklin
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: Jose Pinna Ramos, and they are both here illegally.
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: Ramos discovered crossing.
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: The border with a large group of migrants, given a
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: notice to appear in San Antonio court August twenty nine.
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: What he immediately disappears?
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: So Ebara placed on a program, a ankle monitor program.
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: He immediately cut off that monitor and disappeared April twenty
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: twenty three. Yeah, that's who's here. Both of them just
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: disappear into the wind. We know a fifty three thousand
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: to have disappeared under similar circumstances.
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: Where are they? Maybe in your backyard?
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: Joining me now is a renowned chief medical examiner out
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: of Terrance County.
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: That's Fort Worth.
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: Never lack of business there, Doctor Kendall Crowns, who has
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: performed thousands of autopsies, including on children. Lecturer at the
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: Burnett School of Medicine at TCU. Doctor Kendall Crowns, thank
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: you for being with us. Explain to me how an
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: autopsy on this twelve year old little girl?
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: What do you do?
• 23:58
  Speaker 14: So in a case strangulation you would still follow the
• 24:02
  Speaker 14: same procedures of an autopsy that you usually do an
• 24:05
  Speaker 14: external examination, making note any mark, scars, or tattoos evidence
• 24:09
  Speaker 14: of injury. Then an internal examination is performed where a
• 24:13
  Speaker 14: Y shaped decision is made and each organ is removed
• 24:16
  Speaker 14: and dissected. But then a layered neck dissection will be
• 24:20
  Speaker 14: done where each layer of the muscles of the neck
• 24:23
  Speaker 14: are peeled back looking for injuries. And then the throat
• 24:26
  Speaker 14: structures will be exposed, removed and evaluated. So looking at
• 24:31
  Speaker 14: the highway bone, which is this U shaped bone in
• 24:33
  Speaker 14: your neck that can be broken in strangulation, and the
• 24:36
  Speaker 14: thyroid cartilage which is a structure right above your windpipe
• 24:42
  Speaker 14: that also is often broken in strangulation cases.
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: How will you determine, doctor Kendall Crowns, whether or not
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: the little girl had been raped.
• 24:51
  Speaker 14: So an evaluation of her genitalia will be done looking
• 24:54
  Speaker 14: at her vagina in anal orifices or the areas around it,
• 24:59
  Speaker 14: looking for continu jis, abrasions, tears of bruises, that type
• 25:03
  Speaker 14: of injury. You can usually find that in rape cases.
• 25:08
  Speaker 5: You surveillan shows twelve year old Jocelyn with two unknown
• 25:12
  Speaker 5: men at a convenience store in the dead of the.
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: Night, and even now online trolls are attacking the mom
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: and the little girl. This twelve year old little girl
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: was doing nothing more than sneaking a cell phone call
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: to her little thirteen year old boyfriend at the nearby
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: seven to eleven, and she ends up dead, stripped, strangled,
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: and thrown into the water.
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: Doctor Bethany Marshall joining us.
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: Renounced like o analyst out of la Doctor Bethany, what
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: does the treatment of this little girl mean to you
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: as it relates to the minds of the two perpetrators.
• 25:51
  Speaker 10: Well, for one, I think she had three factors that
• 25:53
  Speaker 10: they were looking for. Availability, vulnerability, and desirability. She's such
• 25:58
  Speaker 10: acute little girl. She's vulnerable, they can have their way
• 26:02
  Speaker 10: with her. Nancy, And I think these guys wanted to
• 26:05
  Speaker 10: have power and control over a female.
• 26:08
  Speaker 9: They were full of rage and nancy. They may have
• 26:11
  Speaker 9: done this before. I mean, these two guys are.
• 26:13
  Speaker 10: Acting in concert to terrorize, rape and do whatever they
• 26:19
  Speaker 10: want to do. Remember John Lee Malvo obviously, John Alvin
• 26:23
  Speaker 10: and John Allen Muhammad were they They worked in concert
• 26:27
  Speaker 10: to terrorize the DC area. They were full of rage.
• 26:31
  Speaker 10: They came from another country. They wanted to come up
• 26:35
  Speaker 10: against unsuspecting victims. I was thinking about that with these two,
• 26:39
  Speaker 10: especially since they have a gang history, Like what were
• 26:42
  Speaker 10: they really planning and that area that they had moved into,
• 26:46
  Speaker 10: did they want to pray on other unsuspecting victims or
• 26:49
  Speaker 10: were they hatching some plot? But definitely they chose this
• 26:53
  Speaker 10: little girl because she's tiny, she's vulnerable.
• 26:56
  Speaker 9: They could have their way with her.
• 26:58
  Speaker 10: These monsters, they're not going to come up against peers
• 27:03
  Speaker 10: or somebody more powerful than them. Imagine what happens when
• 27:06
  Speaker 10: they have to come up against the police or now
• 27:08
  Speaker 10: they're being questioned or they have to answer to investigators.
• 27:12
  Speaker 10: These guys are cowards, deep down, homicidal cowards who only
• 27:18
  Speaker 10: wanted their way with a little girl.
• 27:21
  Speaker 9: It is so terrible and tragic.
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: You know another thing, Doctor Bethany Marshall, is these two
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: we now know thanks to local police and especially that
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: detective Steven Hope. You were hearing earlier that these two
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: went out and were spotted at a restaurant and they're
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: called on surveillance video at a restaurant having dinner. It's
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: almost like they go out for dinner in a movie
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: and they use up the little girl and just throw
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: her away like that throw a popcorn down at the AMC.
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: That's how she's treated, Nancy.
• 27:49
  Speaker 9: These animals have no regard for life.
• 27:51
  Speaker 10: And when I heard about the restaurant, I was thinking,
• 27:54
  Speaker 10: were they just sitting ordering hamburgers and French fries and
• 27:57
  Speaker 10: talking about who they're going to murder? Not be surprised
• 28:02
  Speaker 10: if they were stirring it up and actually stimulating each other,
• 28:05
  Speaker 10: because we know even with criminals who get out of jail,
• 28:08
  Speaker 10: sometimes they emerge more frustrated and more ready to offend
• 28:13
  Speaker 10: because of their incarceration experiences. And these guys have been roaming,
• 28:18
  Speaker 10: you know, they go over the border there and they
• 28:22
  Speaker 10: interact with law enforcement. It's almost like there's this hatred
• 28:26
  Speaker 10: in vindictiveness building up inside of them, this sense that
• 28:30
  Speaker 10: the world is against them, that they have to assert
• 28:33
  Speaker 10: power somewhere.
• 28:34
  Speaker 9: And remember, it's rumored that they have a.
• 28:37
  Speaker 10: Criminal background, a gain background, which tells me that they've
• 28:40
  Speaker 10: been in an environment where there's socially sanctioned sociopathy, so
• 28:45
  Speaker 10: that not only are they criminals, sadists, rapists on their own,
• 28:51
  Speaker 10: but they've been a part of a society where men
• 28:54
  Speaker 10: do this kind of thing, Nancy. So this becomes a
• 28:56
  Speaker 10: perfect storm, which is the reason why they should not
• 29:00
  Speaker 10: have been here, because we don't really have this in
• 29:02
  Speaker 10: our country, where it's a perfect storm of men who
• 29:05
  Speaker 10: are misogynists, who hate women, who want to rape, torture
• 29:09
  Speaker 10: and kill just because everybody else thinks it's okay, and
• 29:12
  Speaker 10: they're stirring each.
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: Other up, you know, Lynn Shaw with me, founder of
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: Lynn's Warriors, committed to ending mistreatment of children. Lynn, I'm
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: just thinking about the way they soak, callously throw her
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: body and that buy you we've shown you and just
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: walk away, probably laughing, and the image which police have
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: given me because they're spotted on video at a restaurant
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: having a great time and then they leave and like
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: I was telling doctor Bethany, like going to dinner in
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: a movie for the rest of us, that's a big
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: night out, and instead they go for dinner and then
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: they go get this little girl and they're stoking each
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: other as they go.
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: Very often people will do things as a group that
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: they wouldn't do on their own.
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: But these two are like minded. And I've given this
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: example before, Lynn Shaw. If you're out for a walk
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: on a nature trailer in a park and you see
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: a little rabbit go by, I bet your first instinct
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: is to maybe pet it or feed it, where other
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: instincts would be to grab it and tear it's neck
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: out and eat it. A predator. And when they saw
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: this little girl, can you imagine all the glances the
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: two of them exchanged.
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: With each other.
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: They knew what they were going to do as they
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: walked to that bridge, as they forced her to go
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: under the bridge. At any point they could have stopped Lynn,
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: but they didn't. They went so far as to tie
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: her up, strip her under that bridge, I believe, rape her,
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: and then strangle her, most likely manually.
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: With their own hands, and then.
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: To top it off, throw her into the water like
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: SEUs trass Land Nancy.
• 31:05
  Speaker 11: Doctor Bethany hit the nail on the head the way
• 31:07
  Speaker 11: she described the mindset we work with law enforcement. These
• 31:12
  Speaker 11: criminal members of this gang from Venezuela, it's called trendy Arragua.
• 31:16
  Speaker 11: They have no regard for life at all. I don't
• 31:21
  Speaker 11: even want to compare them to animals. That is too kind.
• 31:23
  Speaker 11: I don't want to put that on animals.
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: They will.
• 31:26
  Speaker 11: They have no regard for girls and women in particular.
• 31:29
  Speaker 11: They take what they want. I don't even know if
• 31:32
  Speaker 11: they planned this. They just saw her. She's a slight
• 31:35
  Speaker 11: little girl. They may have asked her directions I read
• 31:38
  Speaker 11: and she said, okay, I'll show you this way. They
• 31:41
  Speaker 11: lured her somehow and they just had the opportunity. I
• 31:44
  Speaker 11: want to repeat, these people are not here legally. They
• 31:49
  Speaker 11: have we work extensively with law enforcement. They have no
• 31:53
  Speaker 11: regard for women and girls. They think that they are
• 31:56
  Speaker 11: just property. They're to be raped, robbed, beaten. And I'm
• 32:01
  Speaker 11: not understanding why all this is allowed allowed to go on.
• 32:05
  Speaker 11: We know all this, we know what is going on.
• 32:07
  Speaker 11: These are called also ghost criminals. They may come and
• 32:11
  Speaker 11: have an ankle monitor. They're cutting them off. Nobody's following
• 32:15
  Speaker 11: up and doing further vetting, and they're disappearing all our country.
• 32:19
  Speaker 11: And I guarantee you, I guarantee you. This is my opinion.
• 32:22
  Speaker 11: They have done this before. They have raped and robbed
• 32:25
  Speaker 11: women before, and perhaps even murdered.
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: Oh gosh.
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: Yes, Michael Vanna is joining US former Houston Police homicide
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: detective now PI owner of y two investigations.
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: Michael, this is not their first crime. And I don't
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: mean stealing a.
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: Car or joey riding or a theft by shoplifting or
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: smoking a joint. No, no, no, there's a big leap
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: between any of those crimes and kidnapping a little girl,
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: forcing her under that bridge, raping and murdering her. Oh no, no, no, no,
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: this is by far not their first violent crime.
• 33:03
  Speaker 12: Nancy, I don't think. I think you're going to find
• 33:04
  Speaker 12: in the investigation that they probably have a DNA link
• 33:07
  Speaker 12: to other crimes here in the Houston area or around
• 33:10
  Speaker 12: the country. Who knows, But let me tell you this, Nancy.
• 33:12
  Speaker 12: I know Houston Police Chief Saturn White personally, I know
• 33:15
  Speaker 12: the lead homicide investigator personally. These two men are bloodhounds,
• 33:19
  Speaker 12: and with their experience, they're not going to let this
• 33:23
  Speaker 12: case go away. They're gonna even though they've been arrested
• 33:26
  Speaker 12: in charge, the investigation is just beginning. They have to
• 33:29
  Speaker 12: go and confirm and reconfirm every bit of information that
• 33:32
  Speaker 12: they've followed on that digital trail, on the eyewitnesses, on
• 33:37
  Speaker 12: the medical examiners report. They have to completely completely put
• 33:45
  Speaker 12: a case together to make sure these animals do not
• 33:48
  Speaker 12: get out, absolutely, and they're.
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: Gonna do that.
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: Crime Stores with Nancy Grace, we are now learning an
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: American woman claims she was brutally sex attacked by one
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: of the two men that allegedly murdered twelve year old Joscelyn.
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: This guy has left a wake of pain behind him.
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: How many other victims could there be? But what we
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: do know is the state says it's got an ironclad
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: case against the two men that lured a twelve year
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: old little girl under a bridge, assaulted her for hours,
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: and left her dead body in a by you.
• 34:35
  Speaker 8: Listen, Investigators determine the two men lure her into going
• 34:39
  Speaker 8: under the bridge on West Rankin Road, keeping Joscelyn for
• 34:42
  Speaker 8: over two hours, they take her pants off and tie
• 34:44
  Speaker 8: her up. Joscelyn dies from strangulation before she is thrown
• 34:48
  Speaker 8: into the byu where her body is found. After throwing
• 34:51
  Speaker 8: the body into the bayou, Ramos and Martinez are seen
• 34:54
  Speaker 8: walking back toward the apartment they share. Police believe the
• 34:57
  Speaker 8: pair live in the same apartment complex as Jocelyn. Nungery.
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: Just strolling back. They're on video, just strolling back.
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: It reminds me of the guy that murdered Rachel Morin.
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: According to the DNA found on her body, he attacked
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: a nine year old little girl in La before he
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: murdered Rachel In. Bel air Maryland based on DNA. And
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: he didn't even run from the scene. He's caught on
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: a door cam in La he just walks out without
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: a shirt on and just walks away like, hey, you
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: know that was nothing, no big deal. I mean, doctor
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: Bethany Marshall, I don't think you're getting my question. The
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: way they threw away the little girl like she was
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: a chewing gum wrapper. Just throw her away after that,
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: Just throw her body, half stripped, tied up, strangled, just
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: throw her in the water, and now we know, casually
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: walk off. I'm telling you, this was no more than
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: they have going to the movie and having dinner. That
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: was it.
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: This was nothing to them.
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: And they casually stroll back to their apartment.
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: They don't even run nothing.
• 36:12
  Speaker 9: No, no, no.
• 36:12
  Speaker 10: Several things about this story bothered me so much. This
• 36:16
  Speaker 10: little girl, Joscelyn, grew up with a mother and in
• 36:19
  Speaker 10: this society, in a neighborhood where she was taught that
• 36:21
  Speaker 10: the world is a safe place. Unlike Venezuela, Unlike Haiti,
• 36:25
  Speaker 10: where the two missionary kids, David and Natalie were just
• 36:28
  Speaker 10: murdered by gang violence. There are certain societies Nancy where
• 36:32
  Speaker 10: homicide is socially sanctioned, where it's rampant, where people do
• 36:37
  Speaker 10: feel that this is what society has come to. And
• 36:39
  Speaker 10: when those societies infiltrate our society, our kids, who believe
• 36:45
  Speaker 10: that the world is a safe place continue doing what
• 36:48
  Speaker 10: they normally do, not realizing that there are predators around them.
• 36:52
  Speaker 10: And then the other thing that's strolling back to their apartment, Nancy,
• 36:56
  Speaker 10: they strangled her. And that means that they were looking
• 37:00
  Speaker 10: into the eyes and into the face of a twelve
• 37:04
  Speaker 10: year old little girl, watching her struggle, taking delight, taking pleasure.
• 37:09
  Speaker 10: I mean, if you really just soak that in, Who
• 37:12
  Speaker 10: does that to a twelve year old who rapes a
• 37:15
  Speaker 10: twelve year old who may not even know about sex yet.
• 37:19
  Speaker 10: I mean the intrusion into this little girl of the
• 37:23
  Speaker 10: most horrifying, unimaginable circumstances for which she was completely unprepared
• 37:29
  Speaker 10: and not even knowing what to do. And Nancy, Yeah,
• 37:32
  Speaker 10: they just tossed her into the river. It's beyond disregard
• 37:36
  Speaker 10: for human life. It's sadism, it's thrill, it's hatred, it's
• 37:41
  Speaker 10: wanting to undermine the youth and beauty of such a
• 37:45
  Speaker 10: beautiful member of our society.
• 37:46
  Speaker 9: It's really horrible.
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: When I first started prosecuting violent crimes, the judge would
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: instruct a jury if the evidence supported it.
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: On flight as in Disha of guilt.
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: Now and most jurisdictions, the judge doesn't instruct a jury
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: that flight can be used as an indication of guilt,
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: but the prosecutor can still argue it.
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: And in this case, you want to tell me they
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: didn't do it.
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: Because when HPD Houston PD shows up at the apartment
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: complex where these two illegals live and they get a bullhorn,
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: a loud speaker and they order the men to come out,
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: what do they do. One of the guys tries to
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: jump off a balcony for a m but wisely, Houston
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: PD and this detective is really something else.
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: It's Stephen Hope.
• 38:43
  Speaker 9: Guy.
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: They have the whole place surrounded.
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: There you go jumping off a balcony to Crawley Bill
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: joining US investigative reporter kPr C too. They're in Houston, really,
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: I mean, if the cottonknocks on your door, do you
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: try to run out in the back and jump off
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: a balcony.
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: Absolutely not.
• 39:06
  Speaker 4: And it was really interesting because we were out there
• 39:09
  Speaker 4: that morning. We didn't see that time of the rest
• 39:12
  Speaker 4: just afterwards when they were placed in handcuffs. But a
• 39:16
  Speaker 4: lot of the neighbors out there told me that they
• 39:18
  Speaker 4: didn't really interact with those men too much. They'd only
• 39:21
  Speaker 4: lived at that apartment complex for maybe a month two months.
• 39:26
  Speaker 4: I think the only time they really saw them out
• 39:28
  Speaker 4: was a barbecue that happened a couple weeks prior. But
• 39:32
  Speaker 4: they didn't have many details about, you know, what those
• 39:35
  Speaker 4: men were like or if they seemed suspicious at all.
• 39:38
  Speaker 4: So definitely concerning if they're trying to run from police.
• 39:42
  Speaker 5: They took away my first born. A mom pleads for
• 39:46
  Speaker 5: killers to be brought to justice after her twelve year
• 39:49
  Speaker 5: old daughter's slaying.
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: Now we know the two men that have been arrested
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  Speaker 2: in the rape and murder of a twelve year old
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  Speaker 2: little Houston girl, Jocelyn secretly and nefariously came into our
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  Speaker 2: country to.
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  Speaker 1: Do nothing but rek have it. They were not.
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  Speaker 2: Here, according to the Statue of Liberty, seeking a new life.
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  Speaker 2: They came here to continue a life of violent crime.
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  Speaker 2: And it's not the first time does the name lacan
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  Speaker 2: Riley ring a bell, because I'll never forget the name.
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  Speaker 8: Listen in Athens, Georgia. Nursing student Lake and Riley is
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  Speaker 8: late returning from a jog at the University of Georgia
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  Speaker 8: campus and a roommate becomes concerned surging the area she
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  Speaker 8: would jog. Her body is found in a coney forest
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  Speaker 8: park near Lake Herrick. Riley's body is found covered in
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  Speaker 8: brush and she's been killed by blood, forced trauma, and asphyxiation.
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  Speaker 8: A sketch of a possible person of interest leads investigators
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  Speaker 8: to Jose Antonio Ibarra. Ibarra is from Venezuela, entered the
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  Speaker 8: USA illegally with a fake wife, was sent to New York,
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  Speaker 8: left his fake wife, and ended up in Athens, Georgia
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  Speaker 8: with his brother. Ibra now facing murder charges in the
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  Speaker 8: killing of Lincoln Riley.
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  Speaker 1: His fake wife. And what about Elizabeth Medina.
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  Speaker 8: When high school cheerleader Lizabeth Medina doesn't join her team
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  Speaker 8: for the Christmas parade, her mother races home to see why.
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  Speaker 8: In the bathroom, Jackala Medina finds her daughter in the bathtub, dead,
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  Speaker 8: stabbed to death. Police tracks suspicious activity on Lizabeth's missing
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  Speaker 8: cell phone, leading them to Rafael Govea Romero twenty three
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  Speaker 8: illegally in the United States of America from Mexico. Investigators
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  Speaker 8: determined he's been stalking Lizabeth Medina and was on probation
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  Speaker 8: at the time of her murder, and.
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  Speaker 2: Then he stabs her dead, and Mommy has to find
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  Speaker 2: her daughter dead in the bathtub when she's supposed to
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  Speaker 2: be in a Christmas parade.
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  Speaker 1: That's how she found out.
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  Speaker 2: Mommy races for more to see her daughter in the parade,
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  Speaker 2: not wanting to miss a thing, and the daughter's not there,
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  Speaker 2: so she races home to find her daughter dead. When
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  Speaker 2: will it end? I can't control what Congress is doing,
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  Speaker 2: you know. That's like yelling out the window on Third Avenue.
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  Speaker 2: But what I can do is ask for help in
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  Speaker 2: this case to make sure these two are convicted.
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  Speaker 1: Seven one, three, three zero eight three six hundred.
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  Speaker 2: Another heartbreaking twist in the case of the murder of
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  Speaker 2: twelve year old Jocelyn Nungary, who allegedly was brutalized and
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  Speaker 2: murdered at the hands of two illegal migrants. Now a
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  Speaker 2: woman has come forward swearing she was raped by one
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  Speaker 2: of the purpose when she was on vacation in Costa Rica. Coincidentally,
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  Speaker 2: when Ramos was making his way from South America.
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  Speaker 1: Up to the US. Did he go through Costa Rica?
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  Speaker 2: Can we prove this?
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  Speaker 1: What do we know about Jocelyn's case.
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  Speaker 2: We're never going to get justice for this American woman
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  Speaker 2: out of Costa Rica, but we can get justice in
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  Speaker 2: the US.
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  Speaker 1: We wait as justice unfolds.
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  Speaker 2: Goodbye friend,