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@ttor13 /w Brett Keane @darwintojesus Jew Debates Jesus, Former Atheist Turned Christian · Brett Keane and Eve Show

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Go, you will finish what you
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started. You will tell me not to feel the
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enemy. My heart from getting harder,
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open up my hearts or closing. Can I see the breeze there.
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Is this so hard? And pray I just want to praise
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your name. I just want to put your name,
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put your name on. I just want to praise your name.
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I just wanna put your name. Put your name on high.
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I just wanna worship, worship you.
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What's your name? Oh high.
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I just wanna worship worship you.
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What's your name? Oh high.
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I just wanna all glory. All praise to the Most High.
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You've been the same. And you never changed the whole
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time. Wasn't.
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Jackie put in front of the whole.
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Life. The
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None the.
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Hello there everyone. Welcome to GOD TV Radio.
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I'm your primary host, TTOR, and right over there is none other
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than Brett Keane, the originator of GOD TV Radio.
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Say hello, Brett. Hello everyone.
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Boy, oh boy, that music was rocking, man.
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I had my lighter up. I was ready for the mosh pit,
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Yeah. Yeah, I forget his last name,
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but there's some guy named Jacob on YouTube who does like
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instrumental heavy rock. You know, metal rock, all kinds
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of rock basically is instrumentals.
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They let anyone use for anything.
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Thank God for him because. He does good work.
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Yeah. And for those of you who've been
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here since the very first second and I see you in the background,
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Orion, we'll get to you in a minute.
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If you are wondering about that 92nd promo of Rhythms of Renewal
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and wondering what that's all about, that is a New Year's Eve
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concert that is taking place at my church, Crossfire Healing
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House. There's like an 8:00 PM potluck
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dinner that's beforehand, but at 10:00 PM with tickets only being
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$10 a pop, there's going to be a concert where 2 bands will be
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playing. I believe the first band is
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going to be Leviticus with two s s, which is a rock band that
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I've never heard of, but they seem pretty good from the promo
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trailer that I showed you guys. And then Drops Apostles is a rap
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band that actually we came to our church and sang a couple
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songs during a Sunday service a couple months back and they're
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pretty good if you're into rap. So if you're in the Oregon area
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or you're like Southern Washington, Northern California,
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maybe you're over in Idaho or a neighboring state and you're
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thinking to yourself, Gee, I'd love to go out of state and
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attend a rock or rap or both concert.
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Well, we got a good one coming for you with tickets running at
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$10 a piece, which considering the quality of the groups, I'd
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say $10 tickets is a pretty good deal, especially in today's day
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and age with binomics and inflation.
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So if you're looking for a good, and this is kind of funny to say
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it out loud, but if you're looking for a rock slash rap
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concert that is family friendly and safe to be at, then I would
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recommend it showing up at Rhythms for renewal on New
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Year's Eve night. And I'll actually screen share
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the place where you can get tickets and I'll make it
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available in the live chat in case you're interested in
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attending at any point during the stream.
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Just got to do that magical thing that they call screen
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sharing, which you can see right here is the Rhythms of Renewal
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page where you can actually get the tickets.
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You just click on that Register Now button to do it and shows
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you how to get there and it'll be a fun time for all and I'll
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just go ahead and put the link here in the Rumble chat and then
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I'll put it. In $10 to see both bands.
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Yeah. Wow, that's a pretty good deal.
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A lot of these secular bands out here make people pay hundreds of
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thousands of dollars to see their stuff.
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And usually it's just, you know, But that actually sounded good.
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I was head banging over here, man.
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I was jamming. I was like for 80s, yeah.
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And I put the link to the page that's on screen, Brett in the
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private chat in case you want to share it in the live chats on
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Twitter and YouTube, because I'm sure there would be some people
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in your audience who might be interested.
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Sounds good. Let me get that up there.
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Music here. All right.
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Yeah, 10 bucks, folks. That's my goodness.
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That's pretty good. Yep.
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Yeah. I mean I think we're hoping to
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have like I think we're hoping to have like 60-70 people show
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up in in our with our expectations, but more the
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merrier. We definitely have room for a
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couple 100 at least in our sanctuary.
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So the more people that show up after purchasing their tickets,
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the more fun will be had by all I'm sure.
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All right. So you said we had some kind of
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Ryan person, and do they look like they're of normal heritage,
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Ryan. Yeah.
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You said somebody was down below.
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The Orion person? Yeah, they they fled already,
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but I do see missing Mod in the comments section over on Rumble.
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I hope you had a good Christmas too, and I'm glad you liked the
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intro. It's good that you're following
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me on Rumble and interacting with me there because so many
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people, when their favorite creators go to another site like
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Rumble or like Odyssey or like Kick or whatever, when they do
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that, their fans tend to not follow them over to the new
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platforms. So for someone like Missing Mod
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who has appreciated my work in the past, for her to actually
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come over to Rumble and interact with me through the chat there,
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it's pretty touching. Yeah.
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OK, well, since you now know about rhythms for renewal, all
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right, do we know an Orion grant, possum or possums?
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I don't. That's what I was going to ask
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you. If you did what I normally do, I
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kind of run it like a boot. Camp I think our I think our
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stranger danger is necessary. So do we know you, Orion?
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Brett King. We're the God worshiping Society
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of the typing, and we're going to fucking kill.
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You right now get rid of that burglar.
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That's why we put that on screen.
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Stranger danger. Well, guess who's not coming
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back on if he cops back in? When you get an opportunity, if
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you are, you should do the whole edit frame and then make a bunch
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of little screens at the bottom under your imagery.
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Yeah, So there you go, folks. A perfect example of the
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logical, rational, tolerant, a left liberal atheist because
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most atheists are liberals because they like lawlessness.
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And those Christians, even heretical ones, are better
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behaved than that. I say most, not all, but I think
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Brett would agree with me generally.
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But anyway, so now that we've had that comedy, let's talk
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about Brett, because I'm sure some of you may realize the
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shirt I'm wearing is just a wee bit different.
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It's my Evolution is Magic shirt that I got from Brett Keene's
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online store. And I got to say, Brett, you do
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good merch. Well, thank you, Sir.
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Thank you. Yes, and Brett's done a lot of
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shirts over the years. Obviously as a content creator,
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I mean most content creators who take their craft seriously, they
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create merch through something like Spring or whatever.
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But this shirt in particular I really like, not just for the
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design and the color and the catch phrase on the bottom is a
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troll shirt. This is great, but this shirts
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actually pretty darn comfortable because I've bought my own merch
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because I have a Teespring store before and some of the shirts
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that I sell, well, some of them are really good and comfortable,
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others not so much. But whichever kind of shirt you
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put this on, this is the real winner right here as far as
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comfort goes. Well, thank you very much.
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Thank you. Thank you.
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Thank you very much. You.
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Do a pretty good Elvis. That's the first time I've
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tried, but then again, I've also had years of seeing Elvis videos
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and impersonators, so maybe you just try after a while.
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But Brett doesn't just do merch, he also doesn't just do videos
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on YouTube and Rumble and X and other places.
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He also does books. In fact, I've had this one for
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quite a while. Afterlife Simulation by Brett
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Keene, which I did a video on my channel, I think last year it
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was promoting the book and then on the alt tech sites including
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Rumble. There's even like a 1516 minute
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video where Brett and I actually talk about this book in some
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detail, but I'm going to read the back of this book and if you
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are into like sci-fi dystopian little bit of horror stuff, I
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think you'll like the book after you hear this description.
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An ancient globalist threat overpowers the weapons and
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defense systems of the world with the intention of dominating
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the human race. The military and political
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scientists create a technological, sentient AI
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abomination in hopes it can defeat the ongoing threat.
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Will this prove to be a fatal mistake?
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A mysterious, mass murdering killer stalks humans by night.
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Will an old detective and his reporter daughter be able to
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uncover the secrets and time and make the connection?
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A grieving single mother and her introverted teenage daughter
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find themselves in the middle of a war between man and beast.
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A priest has dark visions of the world coming to an end with a
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super virus on the horizon. Is there any hope?
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Now that sounds like four or five different stories put
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together in one book? And it is.
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But it's not a collection of four or five different stories.
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It's one massive story where you have four or five different
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stories all going on at the same time, interacting with each
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other. And if you give this book a
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chance, like you actually get it either through Kindle or you
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actually get a paperback like I did, you actually give this book
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a chance. I think you will find the ride
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that you go on to be quite wild and action-packed.
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It really gives you some insight into the creative abilities of 1
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Brett Keene. And I got to say, with how good
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this book was, I'm really looking forward to afterlife
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simulation too. It's almost complete, almost
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complete. Are you basically just doing
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final edits, or are you waiting on someone to make you a cover?
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How's How's that going? Well, the cover and the artworks
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all done and everything like that.
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It's I'm trying to decide do I want to wrap it up in the second
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book or do I want to do a continuance?
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Because I know there's a lot of people, whenever they watch a
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movie or read a book, they they want it to be finalized.
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If a sequel comes later, fine. But they want you get what I'm
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saying? Yeah.
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So I I don't know where I should go.
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Should I finalize it or just say, look, you have to see the
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third book coming in order to see the rest.
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I think it'd probably be good to finalize it.
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Yeah, and I think you should definitely do a third book if
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there's a story to be told in the third's book.
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But if you don't see anything past a second book, that's fine
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too. And it's been done.
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Before I got a lot of ideas, but I have to be careful TTR because
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my imagination starts running wild like this particular story.
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I'll throw it out there. It's not really a spoiler, but I
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wanted to introduce Elements of time and more concepts of
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spiritual ideas and arguments and everything like that into
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it. So yeah, time travel can get
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really crazy. So there's going to be time
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travel in afterlife simulation too.
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Yeah, yeah. That could be interesting.
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I mean, yeah, some sci-fi stories where they introduce
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time travel, that gets kind of ridiculous and silly, but other
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ones do it very well, like the Back to the Future movies or.
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Well, it wouldn't be like that. As you know, the title of the
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book is Afterlife Simulation, so obviously time would be very,
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very different than a universe that is actually in the
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contraption of a simulation. You get what I'm saying?
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Right, right. And that's where time travel
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could be possible, because basically you're just entering a
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different simulation of the past.
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Very good. There you go, man.
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See. Great minds think alike, folks.
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Yeah, I actually have been towing with a somewhat similar
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concept, not necessarily time travel, but with the superhero
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book I put out late last year, early this year.
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I was thinking in the sequel book of introducing spin offs of
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the real life metaverse simulations that people are
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doing like Gabs trying to do one with life verse.
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And also there's the Facebook one called Meta.
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And basically I was thinking of taking those to their logical
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conclusion and even having a secret shadowy organization that
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basically has their own metaverse that they use as like
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a prison. So, like if you got someone
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who's a dissident and they're having, you know, Ron Fink, or
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they're just causing you problems in one way or another,
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basically you throw them into this machine, for lack of a
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better term, and you put them in a.
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Simulation. That basically will keep them
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docile, which in the case of my main character, he's going to be
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put into a simulation. That's actually going to be my
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fan fictions that I wrote when I was a teenager.
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So I I thought of that as a cool way to not only introduce, you
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know, simulations and how that can be used against people in a
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weaponized way, but also find a way to incorporate all my old
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fan fiction stories into my new book universe.
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And I thought that would be a great way to do it.
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Of course I I have a long way to go before I write that all out,
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but that's kind of what I'm toying around with my own story
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on that. Well, as I was telling you
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earlier, before we started the show, I'm really, really
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considering doing some audio books for people out there that
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it strains their eyes or they have bad eyesight and all that.
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And I I think I got that pretty much covered.
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But we got ASMR Mark out there, he says.
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Is that a chimp? I guess he's talking about the
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shirt. Put yourself on the big screen.
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Show it off that way. I'll fine, I'll show it off.
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I'll stop advertising your book like a good friend and I'll just
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selfishly put myself on the big screen.
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Well, I'll just show it again. But yeah, that is a chimp in a
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wizard outfit. Your eyes do not deceive you.
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We got to show him the love. Magic.
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There you go. Yep, evolution is magic, which
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is absolutely true if you think about it.
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I mean if you think about the evolution paradigm of history
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over billions of years with The Big Bang occurring at the very
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beginning and then you know bacteria type organisms forming
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on rocks near thermal vents under the oceans, 3.8, the four
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point whatever billion years ago sounds like magic to me but but
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but it's science and it's reality because government
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agencies and government controlled academic institutions
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tell us so. And the real cool people who are
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super smart in their big brain, they believe whatever the
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government tells them, whatever the establishment tells them
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about origins, and that makes them smart.
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And anyone who dissents, well, clearly their little brain,
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they're just a bunch of big doom dooms.
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Yeah, of. Course, we know that's not true
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at all. But but that is something I've
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always marvelled about the atheist and evolutionist.
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How they portray themselves as cool and edgy and free thinkers
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while simultaneously believing whatever the establishment tells
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them about anything. Which is literally the opposite
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of what a individual, free thinker and edgy person would
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do. I just don't know how they pull
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that off. Yeah, I was listening to our
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buddy Daniel earlier. He was doing some kind of, it
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wasn't like a video stream what we're doing, but he's got some
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kind of audio podcast thing and he was talking to what appeared
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to be a non believer and he asked a non believer about where
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do you think morals and intuition came from.
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And the guy answered with what was evolution and all that.
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I tried to jump in there because I wanted to find out at what
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point in time did we evolve this elusive intuition and the
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stability of future entity and all this.
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And fortunately I couldn't get in there, but I was going to
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have some fun with them. I'd like to know what kind of
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variables happen in the environment that makes your
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brain work that way. Yeah, that would have been
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interesting to see, but who knows, you may get your chance
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soon enough. So you said you had some clips
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for us. What do we got?
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What do we got? Well, what I figured we would do
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tonight is that we would respond live to an evolutionist,
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Youtubers, Creationism, or Christian related video.
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Hey, do you know anyone named Adam Bigman?
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You might have to do the stranger danger thing.
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All right, well, for everyone's safety, it's stranger danger
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time. Now, if this turns out to be the
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same person, then we might just have to cut off anyone we don't
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actually know from entering the show.
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All right. Adam, are you a stranger?
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Adam, you got to turn on your microphone there, fella.
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Yep. I'm a very dangerous stranger.
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I don't know. I'm just pledging allegiance to
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the Hitler. Fuck you.
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You're going. To die.
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All right. Thank you very much, Mr.
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Rational Logical Atheist. Fuck outta here.
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All right, Continue on there, Brother TTY.
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Yeah, but if you're watching this live and you've never
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encountered this kind of behavior for before, this is
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pretty par for the course with atheists and evolutionists to
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jump onto Brett Keene's shows. And really, any kind of live
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show with a Christian does. If they really have it out for
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you, oh, oh, they'll be as hateful as they can because they
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think if they do that, then Big Tech will take down the evil
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Christian. Or in Brett's case, the evil
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Brett Kane, the boogeyman of the Internet.
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Of course, you know, I'm streaming to rumble, so even if
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you succeeded in getting his YouTube stream taken down just
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from that brief interaction wouldn't matter because it's
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going to be on Twitter. It's going to be on my Rumble
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channel and then I'm going to make sure it's other places and
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Brett will do the same. So what are you even
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accomplishing at this point? I mean that strategy worked
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great about four, 5-6 years ago when we didn't really have
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established alternatives to YouTube.
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But now that we have established YouTube ball Toner, it is like
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Rumble which I'm streaming to right now or like bit shoot for
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a period of time or Odyssey or Brighty on for a period of time
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or YouTube Joshua TV or my own site quarter.
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With all the YouTube alternatives that exist and the
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ones that do live streaming, it's it's kind of a waste of
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time to try and get someone's live stream on YouTube taken
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down. Yeah, I don't really.
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I don't really care much about YouTube anymore anyway.
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I haven't even been uploading any new content except for
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connecting the live streams. But I put the stuff on the radio
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and I put the stuff from my Twitter, and I'll most likely
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end up connecting to Rumble personally.
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And I said this on our last show, and I've said this quite a
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few times in the past. I would love to be able to allow
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atheists to come up here and show their true colors.
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Just let you go on a straight up.
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Whatever it is that's going on in your mind, your liberal,
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democratic, KKK, you know, rhetoric, go for it.
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You know, people need to hear what atheists are actually
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about. But unfortunately, if YouTube
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didn't have its little rules, I can't allow that unfortunately.
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That that is the sad reality because if we were just
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streaming to Rumble and maybe Twitter in your case and they
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were coming in on the show, I can I just ruined my own rhythm
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forgot to mute that. But yeah, if they if we were
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just streaming to Rumble and Twitter and maybe a few other
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places that aren't YouTube and someone like that came in, I
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would just sit back like this and let it let them get it out
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of their system and be like, do you have fun there?
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Tell us what's going on in that little monkey brainy years You
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evolve specimen. Now, now that the disease has
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left your body, how do you feel? Which of course I'm sure in
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their case would queue up another 10 minute rant with
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Cliff notes. There you go.
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What's it, you know, a good dose of hard Christian love?
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Yeah, some people really do. Some people really do, Mark.
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And by the way, ASMR Mark, if you want to come on to the show,
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you are more than welcome. Brett, Put the link to our room
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in the chat. If I see that it's you, I will
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definitely let you in because I'm pretty sure you won't be
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like that other guy. Quite the fan base, huh?
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Or the hater base if you want to look at it that way.
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So anyway, let's get to the main event, which is reacting to an
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evolutionist YouTube video. I got three channels to pick a
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video from and we'll see what we see and then we'll pick the
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video. So let me go ahead and share the
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entire browser I think is what I need to do.
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Well, I know you're going to show off the videos, but I would
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hope that you pick the one that is the most passionate and the
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most charismatic and they're exciting rant or whatever
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they're going to do. I don't know if I can promise
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that because it's basically a blind review.
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Like I literally have not seen whatever we pick.
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So we got Professor Stick here and you got this 17 minute video
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he did called Is Religion Good for Society?
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That actually seems like it might be a good one to respond
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to, so we'll make that option one.
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Option two, we got Vice to Rhino's Channel and he always
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goes off on his deranged tangents against Christians and
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Creationists and. You know.
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Anything. Why don't we?
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Why don't we? We'll definitely pick one to
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actually watch and go on, but the other ones with the titles
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and stuff, they pretty much give themselves away.
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Why don't we respond to what we think about the titles and put a
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little two cents in and then watch a video?
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So what was that? Does religion benefit society?
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Is that what it is? Yes.
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Is religion good for society? Is Professor Stick's video.
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Well, we can look in any society where Christianity is massive,
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and we can see that in every place it's been.
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Civilizations and empires have been built, and they've been
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built the last. It's until the Christians allow
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a bunch of, how shall I say, migration or other groups into
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it where things start going sour and bad in that kind of way.
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But yeah, Britain, Europe, America, obviously any countries
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founded by Christianity have done really well for themselves.
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It's not till they introduce other elements when things start
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going. Yeah, that is very true indeed.
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And as far as my off the cuff response to the question is
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religion good for society? I'd say at this point in history
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the obvious answer is yes, because we've had time to
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observe what happens in societies that are run by and
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controlled by atheists and agnostics and evolutionists, and
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it's not good. As a matter of fact, it puts out
31:23
more dead bodies than all the religious wars and crusades in
31:27
all of history combined. We saw that plain and clear in
31:32
the 20th century with Hitler and Stalin and now and Paul Pot and
31:37
all the other dictators that were heavily influenced by if
31:41
they didn't outright believe in atheism to an extent.
31:45
Yeah, a lot of a lot of countries.
31:47
That's another point. Is atheism beneficial for
31:50
society? Anytime atheism or godlessness
31:53
has been offered into politics, that country usually goes to
31:57
crap. Now, a lot of atheists would
31:59
probably point in the past. If you were to ask them a couple
32:02
years ago, they'd probably say, what about Sweden and all this?
32:05
Well, Sweden is overrun. They are also one of the highest
32:09
distributors of child porn. They've got the highest crime
32:12
rate on Alcoholics and drunk driving and domestic abuse and
32:17
rape. So that's pretty bad.
32:20
And it's a small country. Yeah, that, that, that doesn't
32:25
sound like the kind of country I would want to brag about or
32:29
model mine after, you know what I mean?
32:33
There you go. Oh, I'm looking at these other
32:37
channels, Brett and oh boy, I'm seeing a a vice Rhino I think
32:43
we're not going to respond to because his videos are all so
32:46
terribly long, which are all like 3035, forty 4550 minute
32:52
videos. Apparently that's what he's been
32:54
into for the past few months so I think we might actually skip
32:57
him. But Sir Sick has an interesting
33:02
video that we might respond to called Matt Powell swears he's
33:05
Not a cult leader. That could be fun, because Sir
33:11
Sir Sick is one of those loudmouth atheist that likes to
33:13
put other people down and talk a lot of smack.
33:16
But then when he actually tries to make any kind of arguments,
33:20
he fails. So yeah, that could be a fun one
33:23
to respond to. Well, while you're getting that
33:26
all set up, you know how the game works with the whole cult
33:29
and cult leader thing. That's like a real popular thing
33:32
to do to people, how they do it to Trump supporters.
33:35
If you don't agree with a certain person, then they say
33:38
you're in a cult because they claim you're brainwashed, you're
33:42
manipulated, and you're too stupid in your brain to be able
33:45
to think any other way or have any other views.
33:48
Even though most Trump supporters will say it's not
33:51
really about Trump, that's the deal, is it?
33:53
It's about what he stands for, about making America better.
33:57
That's the thing that gets us excited.
33:59
We like the sparkly stuff. Yep, I would agree with that
34:03
too. And we do live in an age where
34:06
there are a lot of cults running around there, but they're not
34:09
like your traditional cults that you re hear about or see in
34:13
documentaries and stuff. The kind of cults we primarily
34:17
are dealing with today are cults of personality.
34:20
You don't need property, you don't need communes, You don't
34:25
need like a physical building even for these kind of cults to
34:29
exist. And they're all over the place.
34:31
I mean, one of the more modern examples of a cult of
34:34
personality would be the CEO of Gab, Andrew Torba.
34:39
I mean, six years ago he was running around just presenting
34:43
himself as a humble Christian who was just wanting to make a
34:46
Twitter alternative that was governed by free speech and
34:50
wasn't censorious like old Twitter was before Elon Musk
34:53
took over. And then people jumped on board
34:56
that bandwagon because they thought that's who he really
34:59
was, because that's who he portrayed himself as.
35:02
But then a few years ago, when a few million people had
35:06
registered on Gab and they were starting to go somewhere, Angie
35:10
Torba took that little mask off and revealed himself to be not
35:14
just a bigot against Jews, but also to be a heretical Christian
35:18
who literally teaches a different Jesus and a different
35:22
gospel than the one taught by the Bible, which according to
35:25
the Apostle Paul in Ephesians, one makes him under God's curse.
35:31
And he also, you know, wants to copy everything Big Tech does as
35:34
far as services, except he would control it all the way instead
35:39
of instead of having multiple people control it.
35:46
And he even talked about at one point making his own version of
35:49
the World Economic Forum. Which makes me laugh my butt off
35:54
because he he talks all the time about how satanic and evil the
35:59
people at the World Economic Forum are when he's trying to
36:02
grift off people. But then when he thinks no one's
36:05
paying attention, he will literally, he will literally
36:11
advocate for creating the his own version of the World
36:14
Economic Forum. But it'll be different when he
36:17
runs it because he's the good guy.
36:19
You can trust him. That's the same argument the
36:23
socialists make. Well, all the other socialists
36:26
failed, but this time we'll get it right.
36:28
This time, 10 million people won't die in the process.
36:32
Yeah, this time. So we got a Judas Fly Chows
36:37
slash 0. He's actually on camera, and
36:40
he's wrapped in an Israeli flag. If you're a real dude, just
36:43
flash me a thumbs up like that. All right, Awesome.
36:48
Well, I will throw up the stranger danger just out of
36:52
caution and we will bring you on.
36:56
So, Judas, fly Chow. Or maybe it's Chai.
36:59
I can't tell if that's an I or an L How you doing you?
37:05
Got to unmute your mic and say, yeah, yeah.
37:09
Or turn it on because he's technically unmuted.
37:15
You there? No.
37:19
That's rough. I'm glad you have a camera, but
37:25
you need a working microphone before I can take down stranger
37:28
danger. Well, now he's muted.
37:34
Maybe he's just switching mics. It happens.
37:38
Sometimes. Well, at least he hasn't
37:41
immediately launched into the profane stream.
37:46
No. Give him time.
37:48
Give him time. But I do like the Israel flag
37:51
though, that he's wearing almost looks like a superhero Cape when
37:56
he wears it. Well, if you don't mind, while
37:59
we're waiting for him to get around to getting something
38:01
going, I wouldn't mind throwing a few questions at you and see
38:04
what you think. What do you think about the
38:08
you've probably seen recently where I tweeted out?
38:11
I've seen that you reposted it where I was asked by an atheist.
38:17
Yeah, I I I got hi, my name is Ijuju Sly Chai based Persian
38:22
Michelin guy. I'm a friend of John Gishla, but
38:25
he's mad at me because I was mean to someone who I thought
38:27
was a troll on his chat. I I thought she was a troll so I
38:32
was bullying her. I'm sorry, but I was wrong.
38:35
She was not a troll. I made a mistake.
38:37
Anyway, I just want to greet Brad and introduce this to
38:41
myself and say that I've been listening to you for a while and
38:44
I'm a fan. All right, well, it's nice to
38:47
meet you. As long as you're you're decent
38:50
and stuff, everybody's welcome in here.
38:52
As long as you don't strip or go crazy.
38:54
Aren't us? We're good.
38:56
That's not going to happen. I'm very professional.
38:58
Good. Very good.
38:59
Very good. Let.
39:01
Me try switching to. Something my My background's a
39:03
little messy. It's a little cluttered.
39:04
Is it OK if I turn off my Cam? Sure.
39:07
All right, my cars. Are fine as long as we can hear.
39:09
You. Yeah, maybe in the future I'll.
39:11
I'm OK with having my Cam. It's just a little cluttered up
39:13
in the background. All right, so you hang out with
39:16
Jon Gaschilla. Are you in the Judaism or the
39:19
Noah I? Am an I am an observant Jew and
39:23
I am a proponent of the Noah High Law, but I do not go around
39:26
preaching my religion to tiles who are not interested.
39:30
You don't mind real quick since you, Mr. TTR just said a moment
39:34
ago that you were wearing like a Israel shirt.
39:37
How do you feel about what's going on with the world and the
39:39
whole Gaza and Israel war thing going on, right?
39:41
Now I'm very upset. Well, can you elaborate?
39:45
It is very upsetting, but I mean, well, Satan is.
39:49
Dying. Can we go from a religious point
39:51
of view? You can go from any point of
39:54
view you like, Arnold. See, Satan is dying and he is
39:58
trying to get as many victories as he can while he still can
40:03
because he knows the time is short.
40:07
So he's saying the beast with wrath.
40:09
All right, if you don't mind me asking you real quick, so it's
40:13
obvious you believe in an actual Satan and devil, and you you
40:16
appear to go with the Old Testament.
40:19
You also believe in Jesus Christ and what does he mean to you?
40:23
Jesus is not part of my tradition.
40:27
Why is that, if you don't mind me asking?
40:30
There's like maybe after the stream I can e-mail you some
40:33
stuff that's. But the point is the main idea
40:36
is that Jesus. We do not believe that Jesus
40:40
fulfilled the the prophecies of Moses.
40:45
What prophecies would that be? If you don't mind me asking,
40:47
well. Actually, it's interesting that
40:48
you say that because in the five books of Moses it's not.
40:51
It does not, It does not explicitly talk about the
40:54
Messiah. There's some poetic verses that
40:57
the rabbis later on say that interpret that mean this is talk
41:01
about Messiah. The idea of the Messiah does not
41:04
become explicit until the later prophets I believe until like
41:08
Isaiah who's technically an early prophet but in the terms
41:12
of the timeline he's he comes later.
41:14
He he came after much, much after King David, as you, as you
41:18
guys know. So my question, since you
41:23
brought up the book of Isaiah, is if if you don't believe Jesus
41:28
is the Messiah, then well, the. Traditional.
41:32
Understanding of who the suffering servant is that is
41:35
spoken of in the book of Isaiah. Not that I'm an expert is that
41:38
the servant is a reference to the nation of Israel itself.
41:44
Well, that's all well and good. But it seems to also be a
41:48
perfect fit for what Jesus went through when he was put on trial
41:52
and ultimately executed by the Romans after the Jews arrested
41:56
him. Seems to be a perfect match,
41:58
even the part where it talked about how he would be silent
42:01
before his persecutors, just like Jesus was.
42:08
So do you believe the suffering servant?
42:10
Is not ever going to be an individual person.
42:13
It's always going to be just symbolic of the nation of Israel
42:17
or do you think there's going to be?
42:18
It may be a reference to the future Messiah himself, Messiah
42:21
Ben Joseph. Are you familiar with the
42:23
concept of Messiah Ben Joseph? In Hebrew Messiah Ben Joseph?
42:28
No, I am not familiar. With the different Messiah.
42:32
OK, so in. Traditional Jewish Lord, there's
42:35
actually 2 messiahs you guys are familiar with the Vedic Messiah
42:39
Mashiach Ben David the the king. He's the the Messiah who is
42:44
going to descend from King David and he is the primary Messiah.
42:49
And then there's excuse me, there's Messiah Mashiach Ben Yos
42:55
who comes from the tribe of Ephraim.
42:57
And Ephraim was like the you know this head like after like
43:01
you know they had the the 10 tribes like Ephraim was the head
43:04
of the 10 tribes. So that's the the there's an
43:07
aside that comes from him. And there's a, there's a.
43:12
Belief that it's possible that he's going to die in the end of
43:16
days before in the final, in the final battle with Armimilis the
43:21
who's like the general of Gog Magog, I think.
43:25
But this is like this is going into the writings of Rabbi Isaac
43:29
Luria also known as the Arezal and yeshiva circles.
43:32
Well, that's not much different. From what the New Testament says
43:35
about end times, there's going to be the Antichrist who is a
43:39
false Messiah, but he'll betray himself as Messiah and he will
43:43
be killed and then resurrect a few days later to basically fool
43:47
everyone into thinking he's the real Messiah.
43:50
And then the real Messiah, which according to the New Testament
43:54
is Jesus is going to show up after the new World order and
43:58
the Antichrist have had their time on earth to run it.
44:01
He's going to show up and destroy the whole system and
44:04
establish the new Kingdom on earth.
44:06
So technically I don't think you're wrong about there being 2
44:10
Messiahs, there's just the little problem is that the first
44:13
one that comes is going to be fake.
44:15
What if I told you they were 4 Messiahs?
44:19
Well, you can. Indulge us on that, but there's
44:23
I, don't I. Don't know where this rabbi gets
44:25
his ideas. This great rabbi named Rabbi
44:27
Mendel Kessen, and he actually has a YouTube channel called
44:30
Torah Thinking and he has a website calledtorahthinking.org
44:34
And the Rabbi Kessen is a great rabbi, great Orthodox rabbi with
44:38
a big white beard. And he talks about how there's a
44:44
Mashiach Ben Edom and a Mashiach Ben Ishmael.
44:47
There's an Edomite Messiah, and there's an Ishmaelite Messiah,
44:51
and he has. And on his Torah thinking
44:53
channel, if you go on his playlist section, there's a
44:56
there's a playlist called 21st Century and there's an ongoing
45:00
series about current events and the Messiah and.
45:08
And he talks about how? Trump could very well be the
45:12
Edomite Messiah. Well, as much as I like.
45:17
Orange Man. I don't see him as any kind of
45:21
Messiah, false or otherwise. I have seen a lot of people on
45:27
Twitter who actually seem to be heading towards that way, where
45:31
they think that he's some kind of messenger or miracle of God
45:35
in order to be able to change everything.
45:37
That would be wonderful. I haven't seen any.
45:41
Like I've said before in the past, he seems like he's got a
45:44
lot of great ideas. I support him, but I don't know
45:48
if I really see him as close to even a saintly man.
45:56
Yeah, I kind of agree with. That too.
45:59
I also mainly just see Trump as someone right now who's being
46:02
used to make an example out of by the globalist to all of us.
46:08
Basically, they're trying to throw out due process and set a
46:13
precedent for we can destroy your life and throw you in jail
46:17
the rest of your life simply for dissenting from us.
46:21
And currently in the United States of America, certain
46:24
states run by Democrats are literally trying to prevent him
46:28
from appearing on the ballot in the GOP primaries in their
46:32
states. Which is absolutely insane,
46:35
because we're talking about the same people who, for a few years
46:38
there, when Trump was in office the first time, we're talking
46:41
about how Evil Orange Man was trying to take away the right of
46:45
people to vote for who they want to vote for, especially the
46:48
black community. And yet now they're literally
46:51
trying to do that to all Trump supporters in certain States and
46:55
if they get their way around the country.
46:57
And we're supposed to just be cool with that?
47:02
So just one more. Hit with our buddy over here,
47:05
and I do appreciate you coming in.
47:07
I hope you realize we're not, like, hating on you or anything.
47:09
We're just asking you questions, try to get to know you.
47:12
But the question is, what is it about Jesus that doesn't fit
47:16
this qualifier? I've heard a lot of Jews say
47:18
this, but they never really get down to the nitty gritty of what
47:22
it is about Jesus that he didn't fulfill.
47:26
One one of the main ones that. Stick out to me is the belief
47:30
that the Messiah will usher in a a universal World Peace and
47:36
eradicate all idolatry and hit and blasphemy.
47:39
And you know last time I tried there's a lot of blasphemy in
47:44
the world and a lot of you know so that that and there's a lot
47:47
of war in the war world. So that that prophecy has not
47:51
been fulfilled, certainly, well, the.
47:54
Old Testament. As well as the New Testament
47:56
tells us that there's going to be war.
47:58
That's what humans do. Humans cause each other
48:01
suffering. 90% of the pain and suffering that humans go through
48:05
is because of the choices they make.
48:07
And then on top of it, you've got the last 10%, which is
48:10
nature and everything that comes from the universe and Earth on
48:13
us. But yeah, did it actually say
48:17
that when this Messiah came, everything would just be
48:20
perfect? As though mankind doesn't have
48:23
free will or the choice to do good or bad?
48:26
It seems to me, it seems to me. Think about this, I really
48:30
believe this, that if people followed what Jesus taught, this
48:35
entire world would be at peace. If we actually, every one of us,
48:39
decided that we wanted to go with what he said, it would be
48:43
peace. Maimonides the Great.
48:50
Rabbi Maimonides, who was a 9th, 11th century, I believe, 11th
48:55
century rabbinic scholar. He wrote a great book called
48:58
Mishnah Torah that all Jewish people should be familiar with.
49:01
And in one of the books of this of this long, you know,
49:04
voluminous work is that he talks about the, you know, the
49:07
requirements of the Messiah according to the Rabbinic
49:10
tradition. OK, so you you keep.
49:14
On OK, what we're finding here is you keep on telling us that
49:18
you watched a video or you seen in a book where it said
49:21
something about how he can't be. But you haven't actually given
49:25
us like reasons yet. That's what I'm asking for
49:28
specifics. What is it that Jesus ain't
49:30
doing? The only one so far is the world
49:33
should have been at peace. The world would have been at
49:36
peace if people actually went along with Jesus's teachings.
49:40
Do you agree with you are If we all love our neighbor and our
49:43
enemy, everything be perfect. I do agree with that.
49:47
But it's also worth noting that in the New Testament, both Jesus
49:50
himself and the other New Testament writers talk about how
49:54
before Jesus comes back, there would be certain signs going on
49:58
in the world that would indicate his forthcoming return.
50:02
And some of those signs include global wars and famines and all
50:07
kinds of horrible, awful persecution and oh look.
50:14
Your camera works again. And there'd.
50:17
Be all kinds of horrible. Persecution and that basically
50:20
Christians themselves would be persecuted and it's going to get
50:23
pretty darn awful in the world before Jesus comes back.
50:27
So I don't know why or understand why increasing chaos
50:34
or increasing evil in the world, especially in the times we live.
50:39
I don't know why that would count as evidence that Jesus is
50:41
not the Messiah when he predicted that that's what's
50:44
going to happen before he comes back.
50:46
It actually seems to be the opposite in relation to what
50:49
Jesus predicted would be the case in the world before, yes,
50:53
but is it not true that the? Messiah must come from the hot
50:56
seat of King David and he. Does so.
51:00
Is it not true? That that Jesus was suppose you
51:07
know according to Christian Laura was born of Immaculate
51:10
Conception and he'd not have a father.
51:14
God's his father, but he. Also had Joseph raising him once
51:18
he was born. Yeah, but he has to be from the
51:20
sea of. King David and.
51:23
Joseph is part of. That lineage?
51:26
Yeah. But he wasn't.
51:28
His seed. Except that Jesus is.
51:39
Are you saying, are you saying that the God of?
51:42
The Old Testament Yahweh is incapable when he does an
51:46
Immaculate Conception with a virgin like he did with Mary.
51:49
Are you saying he's incapable of giving Jesus Jewish line of
51:55
David genetics? Whoa.
52:02
Because you say that you know Jesus was.
52:04
You know, born of a virgin. Technically, Joseph who was of
52:08
the line of David didn't bang Mary to create Jesus.
52:11
It was God who did it. But yet it seems to me like it
52:14
would be a relatively easy task for the God of the Bible who's
52:18
all knowing, all powerful and all that stuff.
52:21
It seems like it would be easy for him to create Jesus in a way
52:25
where he has Davidic line genetics in him.
52:30
Well, we don't. We don't even have to.
52:32
Go so far as the supernatural. I I'm afraid my friend, you
52:36
didn't look into the lineage of Mary or you would have known
52:40
this. I would suspect a lot of Jews
52:42
I've talked to. They seem to know this.
52:45
Mary was also from the house and lineage of David's and she
52:48
descended from David's son Nathan.
52:51
The lineage of Joseph and the lineage of Mary match with the
52:54
same names from Abraham to David.
52:56
Joseph and Mary were distant cousins, so there you go.
53:01
You've got your bloodline of David well.
53:07
He wasn't a paternal descendant. Asked me paternal descendant,
53:12
they were related. And they carried the bloodline
53:14
of David with them. But it has to be a paternal.
53:18
Father after father, why are you putting?
53:21
Limits on God because then a convert.
53:23
Could become a well, no, that's. That's not.
53:27
You'll never mind, So where does it say in the?
53:29
Bible. That's not a good argument.
53:31
Where does it? Say in the Bible.
53:33
That the lineage can't come from a one, He says.
53:36
He's dropping the argument. So I don't know no 'cause, like
53:40
no 'cause. Like as like as it comes out of
53:41
my mouth then I really like what you It's like chess, like I have
53:44
to think like 10 moves ahead. Well, that's good.
53:48
You can think. Four steps ahead.
53:49
I'm not ten moves ahead, but I'm just telling you that they are
53:52
connected and there is lineage if they're cousins and they're
53:56
relatable. And there's nothing in the Bible
53:58
that somehow, if I mean think about that, think about the
54:02
logic. If you were to say, well, the
54:04
baby shared the blood of the mother, well, how many men and
54:08
women were involved in order to get all the way up through the
54:10
genealogy of Mary? Think about this.
54:13
I There's no rule in the Bible it says that a woman can't carry
54:16
the lineage, OK? Especially if you're talking the
54:21
seed. Of David or from David's line,
54:23
that's purely a Is it OK if I bake?
54:27
Well. That's what I'm doing over.
54:28
Here. That's why my throat sounds so
54:30
beautiful, no? No, it's just it's just kind of
54:39
weird to see you argue like you do.
54:42
Primarily because as I listen to you talk, aside from appealing
54:47
to what rabbis say and not the Bible, for the most part, you
54:51
also seem to be placing limits on what God can and cannot do.
54:55
I mean, if we're talking about Yahweh, he has no limits.
55:01
He can do a lot of things. That are just not natural, that
55:04
don't contradict anything else about him and how he works.
55:08
You believe virgin? Births and.
55:11
I don't see anyone else faking a virgin birth in history, do you?
55:17
Because if the idea is that well.
55:19
If because Jesus wasn't born in a certain way, then basically
55:23
his birth and what the Old Testament prophesied about the
55:26
Messiah and how he's going to be born, well, it could be faked by
55:29
somebody else. Well, how many?
55:32
Virgin births? Exactly.
55:33
Are there in history to my knowledge.
55:36
Is only one. I don't know if many people.
55:40
Know this or not, or if people some people probably won't care
55:45
because they're not Islamic or believe in anything the Muslims
55:48
talk about, But even they are convinced that Jesus was a
55:53
Immaculate birth of a virgin, and that's something that
55:56
Muhammad himself didn't even have.
55:59
And that interest in their own Quran actually says that, yeah,
56:03
it is pretty interesting but. Then again, when you study
56:05
Islam, you realize that Muhammad plagiarized not just a lot of
56:09
Christianity, but other religions and other figures in
56:13
history too, to try and get people.
56:16
To convert. To Islam.
56:17
So that that's why they say that they were catering to the
56:21
Christians in Arabia at the time.
56:23
I just. I've just found it.
56:24
Weird, because you've got Jews on one side and Muslims on
56:27
another side. They say now, Jesus wasn't all
56:30
that he was, he was something else or whatever.
56:33
Some Jews will argue was just a man who made claims and all
56:36
this. But it's it's very unusual that
56:41
they will say that he actually had that Immaculate birth, which
56:45
ladies and gentlemen, that's supernatural.
56:47
Whether you say Allah or the God of the Old Testament or New
56:50
Testament. That right there is something
56:52
that has never biologically happened with anybody but Jesus
56:56
Christ and even the Muslims hold to that.
56:59
And that's something. Yep.
57:01
That is something. Especially when Muslims hold to
57:04
that because they also believe Jesus was just a prophet like
57:07
Moses who had his teachings and that he's no different than
57:11
Moses and that Muhammad is basically a successor.
57:15
Yeah, you you hear Muslims? Say things like that for sure.
57:18
TTR. But they also say in the end
57:20
times Jesus is the one that will return.
57:23
Not Muhammad, but Jesus. Jesus is bringing apart an
57:27
Armageddon. Yeah, Islam is interesting.
57:29
Because they had it flipped around in their end time story.
57:32
They have Jesus as being the actual Antichrist and then the
57:36
Antichrist is the real Messiah and basically that's, you know,
57:40
the whole mess that they got going on with their end times
57:43
theology. We got some people.
57:45
Out here who are asking if they can come in.
57:47
You're more than welcome to come in.
57:50
This is this is Darwin to Jesus. Well, I already told you you
57:53
were welcome to come in. Yes, Yes, of course.
57:58
I was. I was talking.
57:59
To some, some Muslims a while back.
58:02
And one of the big things they have trouble with is that
58:05
Trinity, they have trouble with the whole concept of this
58:09
happening. And I'm saying to them, why is
58:11
this an issue? And they say, well, because God
58:14
became a man, how can that actually happen?
58:17
And I say, well, in the Old Testament, God manifests himself
58:21
as a, you know, a burning fire and spoke through it.
58:24
He spoke through many different things.
58:26
Why is that so difficult? If he can talk through fire, you
58:29
would think you'd be able to transform matter and become a
58:32
man, right? Yes, and.
58:34
What's even funnier about that Brett, is that if you actually
58:37
study Islam, Muslims believe that the Quran itself has two
58:42
natures. They believe it has a physical
58:44
nature which is all the physical Quran's that you see you know in
58:47
the world around us. But then they also believe that
58:50
the Quran has an eternal nature, that it existed before any
58:54
physical Quran's were ever written and will continue to
58:57
exist even if you burn and destroy every last Quran on the
59:00
planet. So Muslims believe regarding the
59:03
Quran, that you can be both, you know, physical and spiritual,
59:07
that basically you can have a physical nature and also a
59:12
spiritual nature at the same time and yet when?
59:15
You apply the same. Concept to Jesus like the New
59:18
Testament does. Suddenly Muslims are confused.
59:21
No, it can't work that way even though we believe the exact same
59:25
thing about our Quran. No, no, no.
59:27
It's not true about Jesus. We can't both be both God and
59:31
man, even though we believe similar things about our own
59:34
Quran. Nope, Nope, Can't be that.
59:38
Yeah, Muslim is hard because you.
59:39
Have to believe. A lot of contradicting things in
59:41
order to so Daniel's with. Us in the room, Daniel, I was
59:45
just talking earlier about how I was listening to you guys on the
59:48
stream and I tried to cut in there.
59:50
You guys were talking about intuition as well as some of the
59:54
other abilities and the guy that you had on the show, he started
59:58
going in about evolution and all that and I was curious what kind
1:00:02
of variables in the environment caused people to have the this
1:00:06
ability of instincts and intuition in the 1st place.
1:00:09
I was one in kind of a rough estimate.
1:00:12
At what point in time in our transition did we inherit this
1:00:16
awesome ability? Hey, Brad, how's it going?
1:00:21
Going pretty good, I. When I talked to TTOR about you,
1:00:24
he said that he knew you already.
1:00:26
I was like, really? You got this cool guy and you
1:00:28
don't introduce me to him? What's that all about?
1:00:32
He was. Keeping me all along, Yeah.
1:00:38
I'm sorry I didn't give you the mic.
1:00:40
I was. I had my argument up and I was
1:00:44
reading from that and then I came back and I saw that you had
1:00:47
requested and and then I saw that you were leaving.
1:00:51
I was like, oh, my bad. So I apologize for that.
1:00:55
I'm not very good at maintaining a space sometimes.
1:01:00
So how come you don't run? Something like this, is it?
1:01:04
You're not concerned about boobs and wee wees being out on the
1:01:07
screen, are you? Like we have to put up with
1:01:10
running something like. Like what you're doing right
1:01:12
now? Yeah, like stream yards.
1:01:15
It actually runs through Twitter.
1:01:16
Really nice. Does it?
1:01:18
I. I'm not very technologically
1:01:21
inclined, so I'd have to look into all that, but I'm totally
1:01:27
open to it. I mean, I think, I think that
1:01:30
wouldn't be a bad idea at all. It would actually be really nice
1:01:33
to just be able to do a space with somebody, have a
1:01:37
conversation and then have that go to my YouTube where people
1:01:41
can listen to it there. Some people have already asked
1:01:44
me that I've done spaces with, hey, can you upload that to
1:01:46
YouTube? And I'm like, I don't know how.
1:01:49
So that would Daniel, Daniel, I could give.
1:01:51
You, me and TTR and give you a rundown in like 10 seconds and
1:01:55
you'll be having it already set up.
1:01:57
It's so simple. You just go to Stream Yards and
1:01:59
it'll say connect your accounts. You'll see Twitter on there,
1:02:03
YouTube or whatever you want to connect it to you.
1:02:05
Now you can only stream to two different places unless you
1:02:08
upgrade the plan. But it's as simple as you click
1:02:10
on your little Twitter button that says connect to.
1:02:13
It'll ask you what your password is.
1:02:15
Boom, you're done. All you have to do now is just
1:02:17
simply say start a show and then it'll ask you do you want it to
1:02:21
go to Twitter, YouTube, or the hundreds of other places?
1:02:25
And then voila, you're ready to rock'n'roll there, Sir.
1:02:28
That's simple. That is awesome.
1:02:31
Yeah, the free. Version of Stream Yard is what
1:02:33
he's describing. The free version you can stream
1:02:35
to like YouTube, Twitch, Twitter, etcetera.
1:02:38
Like the big tech stuff. But if you wanted to stream to
1:02:40
rumble like I am, you have to get the $20.00 a month
1:02:44
membership which allows you to not only have more guests and
1:02:47
other stuff but you can also stream to custom destinations.
1:02:52
OK. Yes, so.
1:02:54
So you're saying that if I want to stream and not pay, would I
1:02:59
be able to stream to YouTube and Twitter at the same time?
1:03:02
Yes, yes. But if I want to throw in 1/3.
1:03:05
One, then I'd have to pay, yeah. OK also also you can't do custom
1:03:11
banners like I'm doing now with on the free one and remember.
1:03:16
Remember, even though on the free you only get two things,
1:03:19
you can always just simply turn off one of them and choose
1:03:23
something else if you'd rather do it like on rumble one day as
1:03:26
opposed to this. So your options are through the
1:03:30
roof. But TTR is right, you should
1:03:32
upgrade 'cause you get to do like 100 different places.
1:03:35
Yeah, if I ever get on that. Level I'm sure I probably will.
1:03:39
You know, I I already do Twitter, blue check mark or
1:03:43
whatever. So are you.
1:03:46
Doing the premium. Membership is that.
1:03:50
That's like the next level above Blue Check, right?
1:03:53
Well, there's there's free. Twitter.
1:03:55
Then there's the basic membership, which is $3 a month.
1:03:59
And then there's Premium, which is $8 a month.
1:04:01
And then there's Premium Plus, which is 16 a month.
1:04:04
I think I'm doing Premium. Not premium plus, OK, I've been
1:04:09
thinking. About Well, actually I'm
1:04:10
planning on getting BASIC next year, which is in a couple days.
1:04:14
Yeah, right, I'm, I'm going to get basic because apparently
1:04:18
Brett's proven this. You can stream to Twitter
1:04:21
through Stream Yard if you get the $3 a month basic membership
1:04:26
on the Twitter. Oh, I think that I think that
1:04:29
you could. Stream whether you have the $3
1:04:31
deal or not for free. As long as you connect it, it'll
1:04:34
do all that same thing and stuff.
1:04:36
But I went through the $3 because I wanted to be able to
1:04:39
upload massive size videos and also wanted to be able to I I
1:04:43
can't do this whole 140 limit, you know, whenever I'm typing.
1:04:47
I'm too clever for that. So I need it bigger, yeah?
1:04:53
Well, it's it's really good to. Actually talk to you, Brett.
1:04:56
You know, I see you in the comments and stuff and it's nice
1:05:01
to actually get to speak with you and hear your voice and
1:05:06
everything. Well, I.
1:05:08
Appreciate that. I.
1:05:09
I seen you, Leroy, and not evolution on there and I was
1:05:13
telling, TTRI said, Man, these guys are really cool and TTR is
1:05:16
like, I know they're all my buddies already.
1:05:18
I'm like, man, I ate slight. Exaggeration, but I'm all done.
1:05:22
Then repost. Them a lot.
1:05:25
Yeah, not evolution that that guy is on A roll.
1:05:29
I don't know if he creates all all of his own memes or not, but
1:05:34
if he does, well, I'm that's really impressive.
1:05:36
I don't post any memes that I don't make myself, which kind of
1:05:39
puts me at a little bit of a handicap, but I feel strongly
1:05:43
about that. So I mean I will retweet like
1:05:48
other people's stuff and obviously and I'll respond
1:05:51
sometimes with memes that I didn't make, but I don't post
1:05:54
memes that I don't make. So that's kind of my rule.
1:05:59
Well, Daniel, can I ask you something?
1:06:00
One of the most exciting things I enjoy hearing from people and
1:06:04
you and I know that you'd like tweeted a bunch of commentary on
1:06:08
this, but is there any way you can tell me what the spark was?
1:06:12
I know you were a former atheist, but I like hearing
1:06:15
about what was it? What was some of the main
1:06:18
specific things that cause you to go?
1:06:21
Ah, if you don't mind. Yeah, of.
1:06:25
Course the main. And there were.
1:06:29
There were. Actually a lot of things.
1:06:31
It's like, which one? I mean, first I was a vehement
1:06:35
atheist and and the first thing that got me kind of questioning
1:06:39
things was this conversation with Sam Harris and gosh, what
1:06:48
is his name? Ben Affleck on the Bill Maher
1:06:52
show. I don't know if you remember
1:06:54
this. I think you sound like you're
1:06:56
probably older than I am. I'm 33.
1:06:59
I just turned 40. Seven.
1:07:01
But a lot of folks, they see my Gray hair and they said that's
1:07:04
Moses up there on video. Go ahead.
1:07:07
Yeah, so you might remember. This because it happened back in
1:07:09
2012, I think, But it was a big deal.
1:07:12
Sam Harris was talking about Muslims and I'm listening to
1:07:16
this as a passionate atheist. And Sam Harris was saying how we
1:07:21
should be less welcoming towards Muslims than we are towards
1:07:27
Christians. And that's because Muslims are
1:07:31
more conservative and more likely to do violence in the
1:07:34
name of their religion and more oppressive towards women.
1:07:36
Basically, they are less liberal.
1:07:39
And I was quite a liberal at the time.
1:07:41
I was like 21 and vehement atheist.
1:07:45
And so I was like, yes, Sam Harris is absolutely right.
1:07:48
Muslims are more conservative and we should be less welcoming
1:07:51
towards them and their beliefs than we are to Christians of of
1:07:55
course. Well, Ben Affleck on the show
1:07:58
called Sam Harris a racist and basically slandered him on
1:08:02
national television. And I'm like, Islam is not even
1:08:05
a race, Ben. Like, what are you talking
1:08:07
about? It's a religion.
1:08:09
It's a. Religion, like, yeah, he said.
1:08:12
He said that's. Absolutely gross.
1:08:14
I'm like, yeah, yeah. Come on, Batman.
1:08:16
Don't go. There.
1:08:17
Yeah, you remember this? Cool.
1:08:19
It was a big deal. And you know what?
1:08:22
What really threw me for a loop was that, like, half the atheist
1:08:28
community agreed with Ben Affleck.
1:08:31
And I'm like, aren't these people supposed to be
1:08:33
enlightened? You know, Like, aren't they
1:08:35
supposed to have figured out that religion is all myth and
1:08:39
yet they believe they're agreeing with Ben Affleck when
1:08:41
he makes such an obvious mistake as calling someone who's being
1:08:47
critical of a religion racist. You know, and they're agreeing
1:08:50
with him like he's right and he was completely wrong.
1:08:54
It's not racist. And everything he said was true.
1:08:58
Islam is more conservative, you know, And if we're against
1:09:02
Christianity because they're conservative, we should be
1:09:04
against Islam even more, you know, So Sam Harris was spitting
1:09:08
facts in, in my view. And if you're a liberal, I I
1:09:12
think you should still agree that he was.
1:09:14
And. And yet a large section of
1:09:18
atheists agreed with him. And it that that was kind of the
1:09:22
beginning of me starting to wonder where all this far left
1:09:27
stuff was coming from. Because one, once that happened,
1:09:30
there was a divide in the atheist community.
1:09:33
Basically. There were the quote, UN quote,
1:09:35
true liberals. And then there were the quote,
1:09:37
UN quote, you know, like people who have lost their minds who
1:09:41
were basically saying, like that women were still oppressed and
1:09:45
and that, you know, they were talking about the wage gap.
1:09:47
And I thought that was nonsense. You know, I looked into it and
1:09:50
I'm like, you're not, you're not counting for all these different
1:09:54
factors that you should be. You're just, when you talk about
1:09:56
the wage gap, all you're doing is you're saying there's all
1:09:59
this, women have all this money here, You know, they make this
1:10:03
much money every year, and men make this much money every year.
1:10:07
And therefore women are getting paid less for doing the same
1:10:10
work. And that just doesn't follow.
1:10:13
Yes, men make more overall, of course, but women are having
1:10:18
babies. They take more vacation time,
1:10:20
you know, whatever. There are a whole bunch of
1:10:21
factors you're not taking into account.
1:10:24
So this idea that because men overall make more every year,
1:10:29
therefore women are getting paid 30% less for working the exact
1:10:34
same job is a complete non sequitur, right.
1:10:39
So there was just a lot of stuff like that.
1:10:42
Also, you know, of course, like the whole identity politics and
1:10:46
all that going on, that started up and I was holding against
1:10:49
that. So I consider myself a true
1:10:52
liberal and I was with the atheists that also, you know,
1:10:57
consider themselves to be true liberals.
1:10:59
And I was wondering, where is all this ridiculous stuff from
1:11:03
atheists coming from where? Why are they embracing feminism?
1:11:06
Why are they embracing identity politics, which is just cultural
1:11:10
Marxism? Although I didn't know it then,
1:11:12
you know, where is this stuff coming from?
1:11:14
I just couldn't figure it out. And then I'm trying to trying to
1:11:18
go quickly through this, but well, Daniel I I was.
1:11:22
Gonna say that that thing with Islam that you noticed with the
1:11:25
atheist that is actually something that's been going on
1:11:29
for a very long time. Long before the Sam Harris and
1:11:32
Ben Affleck incident on the Bill Maher show.
1:11:35
Whenever I was a former atheist I felt just like you did that it
1:11:40
the fair thing to do is to go after all the religions not just
1:11:44
pick on one single Christianity or its denominations.
1:11:48
And I had atheist countless times debate me and say why do
1:11:53
you give Islam trouble for it? And I'm like because they throw
1:11:56
homosexuals off of buildings, they stone people out in the
1:12:01
middle of the street, they have sex with goats.
1:12:03
I mean, I could go on forever about this.
1:12:06
And they they they were like, well, you know, and I said the
1:12:10
only reason why you pick on Christianity is because you were
1:12:14
a former Christian and you have a chip on your shoulder.
1:12:17
But if you are a true skeptic, if you're truly a purely skeptic
1:12:21
and this isn't some kind of emotional thing, then you should
1:12:24
go after all the religions. Well, honest.
1:12:28
Honestly. I think, I think that what
1:12:31
you're saying is true, but I think it's more than that as
1:12:34
well, because I think that big reason why many atheists don't
1:12:42
typically have any care about picking on Christians is because
1:12:45
Christians are nice and they won't.
1:12:47
We're not going to come find you and behead you.
1:12:49
You know, there there's a price to pay for going after Muslims.
1:12:55
You know, I mean, we've seen them make examples out of people
1:13:00
in very, very serious and permanent ways.
1:13:04
So I think that there's also this element.
1:13:07
I think that if Christians, and I'm not saying that we should do
1:13:10
this, but I'm saying if we were like Muslims and if you you said
1:13:15
anything about our Savior, you know, we were going to come find
1:13:19
you and and put an end to you. If that was how we behaved, I
1:13:25
don't think atheists would be so quick to criticize us.
1:13:29
I think that we're an easy target because we are a nice
1:13:32
target. You know what you're suggesting.
1:13:34
In a very polite manner, and I completely agree with you,
1:13:38
you're basically saying that the reason why atheists take pop
1:13:41
shots at Christians is because they perceive Christians as
1:13:44
being weak due to love your enemy, do unto others, and the
1:13:48
golden rules and all that is where Muslims will stick a hot
1:13:52
pipe up your ass for doing something like that.
1:13:54
Am I right? Yeah, that's.
1:13:55
That's exactly. Right.
1:13:57
And, you know, I I was aware of that when I was an atheist and I
1:14:00
was trying to be consistent, you know, and sounds like you cared
1:14:04
about that as well. But seems like a lot of atheists
1:14:08
don't care about that. But sometimes some do still and
1:14:12
I see them criticizing Muslims and you know, I I still have a
1:14:16
respect for that. You know, like at least they're
1:14:18
trying to be consistent. So I respect atheists that are
1:14:22
are are that way. You know, I I want to give some
1:14:26
credit where credit is due when it comes to that.
1:14:29
But yeah. Did did you?
1:14:32
In case in case the viewing audience.
1:14:34
At this point is confused as to why Muslims and liberals are
1:14:41
like friends in a way. How basically liberals are
1:14:44
willing to defend Muslims to the point where someone like Ben
1:14:47
Affleck will accuse Sam Harris of being a racist for condemning
1:14:51
Islam the religion. The reason why they do that is
1:14:54
because there's a common enemy to both liberals and Muslims
1:14:57
have, and it's Christians. Once you get Christians out of
1:15:00
the way and the liberals and the Muslims are left to themselves,
1:15:05
the differences will become apparent and the violence will
1:15:08
ensue. Exactly.
1:15:11
I really do believe that everybody's enemy in the world
1:15:15
is Christianity, I think. That.
1:15:19
That is basically the enemy of the world, which is what
1:15:22
Christianity says, you know, it says that you're either with the
1:15:25
world or you're with me. You know you're with Christ, and
1:15:29
we are not with the world, you know, and if and if the world
1:15:32
hates, you keep. In mind that it hated me first,
1:15:35
said Jesus. Yeah.
1:15:37
Mr. Jesus, I've seen. Your private comment that you
1:15:40
put forth, if you have any questions or want to participate
1:15:43
in conversation, just jump right in there.
1:15:45
I think me and TTR got to the point where we like you.
1:15:48
Go ahead. Yeah, So we'll.
1:15:50
Back up, I mean my families from Iran were Jewish and my family
1:15:56
is not Orthodox per SE. But we're not secular.
1:16:01
Like we believe in God. We keep some traditions.
1:16:04
But I have one cousin, a second cousin, my my my mom's niece's
1:16:10
son, younger than me, somewhat younger than me.
1:16:14
He's like in his early 20s anyway.
1:16:16
He's like, he's like I tried to get give.
1:16:19
I gave him some like like a Bible and to read on the
1:16:23
Sabbath's and such. And he like and like later on I
1:16:27
found out through his mom, not through him directly but like
1:16:30
he's converted to atheism and he's become one of these people
1:16:32
who thinks like no beliefs or there's nothing to like real to
1:16:36
believe in and like religion's like nothing to believe in.
1:16:39
I would want to know this is like kind of hard for me to deal
1:16:42
with because this is like new to me.
1:16:43
No one in my family is like this.
1:16:45
Like everyone in my family is like a naive, like like airhead
1:16:48
who believes in God. Sorry if that's disrespectful,
1:16:51
but like, that's just how we are and this is like unusual to me,
1:16:54
I wouldn't say. You're naive.
1:16:56
For believing in God, that's the most rational, logical position
1:16:59
you can go for As far as it depends on what kind of atheist
1:17:04
this person's become. There's some that become
1:17:06
narcissistic or arrogant. Know it alls who just make up
1:17:10
science right on the clock. And then there's some who are
1:17:13
just chilled, minding their own business, just wanting to live
1:17:15
their life. What kind of atheist do you take
1:17:17
this fellow for? Or person?
1:17:20
Arrogant kind. But I'm not.
1:17:21
Sure, but I think arrogant. Kind.
1:17:24
Well I tell them, I mean you can do like I do because I got some
1:17:28
non believers in my family and they're very narcissistic and
1:17:31
arrogant and I tell them whenever they're insulting my
1:17:34
belief that God created all things.
1:17:36
I say well you believe that some rocks smashed together and
1:17:39
created snot on a rock and then out came a fish.
1:17:42
So it sounds to me like you've got a hell of a lot more things
1:17:45
you believe in than I do. You know, Yeah, there's multi
1:17:50
steps. To their program of origins.
1:17:54
Yeah, they atheists. Do respond to that.
1:17:57
I I know it's kind of cold to say something like that, but you
1:18:00
got to present to them, they'll say things like like I, we had
1:18:03
an atheist on the show a while back, didn't we?
1:18:05
TTU artists said, oh, you guys believe animals talk.
1:18:09
And I said, well, you guys believe you are animals.
1:18:11
And they said, oh, you believe a guy died and came back and I
1:18:14
said you believe billions of life forms came out of
1:18:16
nothingness. So what's your point?
1:18:18
I mean, that's that's how you do it.
1:18:20
Just slap it right back on them. That's funny.
1:18:23
I've literally made. Memes about both of those
1:18:25
things. Yeah, and that is the winning.
1:18:28
Strategy is to essentially throw their own beliefs back in their
1:18:32
face, because often times their own beliefs are the very things
1:18:35
they claim to be against. But in order to do that, you got
1:18:39
to know what atheists believe, and that requires a little bit
1:18:41
of study. Well, Daniel's probably figured.
1:18:44
Out by now, since he's been having discussions with them and
1:18:47
he's been in the camp, a lot of atheists would prefer in a
1:18:50
discussion or debate that they be the the executioner and you
1:18:55
basically be the person that answers all the questions.
1:18:58
If you want to defeat an atheist in a debate, you have to tell
1:19:01
them right off the bat this is going to be a conversation, not
1:19:05
just you continuously throwing stuff at me.
1:19:07
I also have questions for you in the origin of your views as
1:19:11
well. You got to let them know that
1:19:13
right off the bat and you'll notice usually within 10 minutes
1:19:16
they rage quit. So Judas, you got any more
1:19:19
questions for you? Not the sign.
1:19:22
Thank you all. Right.
1:19:24
Fair enough. But you had.
1:19:25
Said in privacy. So I have a question for Brad
1:19:28
about having a oh, I thought you were asking me about that.
1:19:32
So you were pointing this out just as far as your family goes.
1:19:36
Just remember, this is family. Just show as much love as you
1:19:40
can, but don't be afraid to be a little goofy back when they get
1:19:44
goofy on you, they'll respond to that exactly.
1:19:48
And. I want to make it clear to Judas
1:19:50
at this point that I appreciate having you on the show.
1:19:54
It's good to see someone who's civil and can actually can talk
1:19:59
eloquently about their philosophical worldview,
1:20:02
differences with us and the. Earlier guests.
1:20:05
We had. It's much appreciated.
1:20:09
I hate to do. This to you Daniel, but not only
1:20:11
do I want to hear what caused you to be turn convert over into
1:20:16
Christianity, but I'd also like to hear what it was that edged
1:20:20
you into atheism in the 1st place and then get to the spark
1:20:24
if you don't mind if that's not too much to ask before.
1:20:28
Daniel does. That though I need to respond to
1:20:31
old Charles Taylor here. Who said, I mean Christians do
1:20:35
seem to want the want to end the world with an apocalypse.
1:20:39
Classic self fulfilling problem and it's this kind of out there
1:20:44
wazoo claims that atheists make or non believers make.
1:20:48
That makes them look very silly. There's a big difference between
1:20:52
telling people that hey, the Bible says this is how it's
1:20:55
going to end with an apocalypse that God himself has to resolve.
1:20:58
There's a big difference between that and wanting it to happen,
1:21:02
because at that point you are kind of a little bit masochistic
1:21:06
and you're a little bit too into the violence, the blood, the
1:21:09
gore and the oppression and all that stuff.
1:21:12
So there's a big difference between the two.
1:21:15
Oh yeah, every time. I walk down the streets.
1:21:17
Christians are screaming like chickens with their head cows
1:21:20
into the world. Please, no, no, no.
1:21:23
Go ahead, Daniel. What do you got for it?
1:21:24
You know what's funny is I've. I've never seen.
1:21:26
That in real life, even though it's portrayed in movies and
1:21:28
stuff all the time. Yeah, Daniel's turn.
1:21:34
OK, so how I became an atheist while I was raised Christian by
1:21:40
my mother and father, even though they got divorced when I
1:21:44
was like 12, but they would make me go to church.
1:21:47
My mother, she says that I went to a camp or something when I
1:21:52
was like 8 years old at Christian camp and I got
1:21:54
baptized. I don't remember that, but I
1:21:56
have a terrible memory, so she's probably right, she says.
1:22:00
I was on fire for God and I don't remember that at all.
1:22:04
As far as I remember. I always hated going to church.
1:22:07
They were, what is it, charismatic?
1:22:10
They're charismatic. And sometimes people would like,
1:22:13
put their hand up and start talking, you know, in a in
1:22:17
tongues, speaking in tongues. And then another person would
1:22:20
start translating. And even when I was a kid, I
1:22:22
would think to myself, what's going on here?
1:22:26
Like, why does God need to give a message to everybody in one
1:22:31
language and then he gives somebody else the ability to
1:22:33
interpret them in English? Why not just give us the message
1:22:37
in English and cut out the middleman, You know?
1:22:40
You know, I I had those kinds of thoughts all the time when I was
1:22:43
going to church, and it just kept continuing.
1:22:47
And I would ask my mom these types of questions like, hey,
1:22:51
why this, why that? You know, if God is this way,
1:22:56
then how come that? And she never seemed to have
1:22:59
good answers. Most of the time it seemed like
1:23:02
she said, well, you just have to believe.
1:23:04
And I'm like, well, I mean, there are other religions that
1:23:09
aren't necessarily true. You know, like people in India,
1:23:13
they have a different religion than us.
1:23:15
And what are those kids being told when they have questions?
1:23:18
Like, you just have to believe. I mean, am I just supposed to be
1:23:22
a Christian because I happen to be born in a place where I was
1:23:25
Christian? And, you know, if I was born in
1:23:28
a place where I was Muslim, then I I should just believe in
1:23:30
Islam? Like, is this the best we can do
1:23:33
here? That didn't sit right with me at
1:23:36
all. And it's one of the reasons I
1:23:38
really encourage parents to teach their children
1:23:42
apologetics, Christian apologetics, you know, to know
1:23:44
why you believe what you believe, I think is very
1:23:47
important. It's very important to be able
1:23:50
to teach your kids that. That way when they start getting
1:23:53
challenged, they actually are able to defend their faith and
1:23:56
they they don't start thinking, oh, can I just believe this
1:23:59
because my parents told it to me.
1:24:02
But anyway, it's kind of a tangent.
1:24:03
So as I was growing up, I just had a lot of questions and none
1:24:08
of it was getting answered sufficiently.
1:24:12
And I just started to think it was all, you know, basically
1:24:17
made-up The older I got and the more questions didn't get
1:24:20
answered. And I think, like I said, my
1:24:24
parents got divorced when I was 12, so then I just lived with my
1:24:29
mother and my dad wasn't really in the picture after that
1:24:32
because he had been unfaithful to my mother and that's why they
1:24:34
got divorced and my dad. Wasn't a very good Christian.
1:24:38
Either he called himself a Christian, but he was a total
1:24:41
bully, so he he wasn't really representing Christ to me in any
1:24:45
type of good way that I particularly liked.
1:24:49
You know, the love of Christ was not in him, So that probably had
1:24:53
a lot to do with my dislike for Christianity as well.
1:24:56
Anyway, I guess by the time I was like 15 or 16, I was just
1:25:02
completely tired of going to church.
1:25:03
And one day my mom, she drove us to church and I got out of the
1:25:07
car and I was dreading going in there so much that I got.
1:25:11
I got out of the car and I looked at my mom and I said,
1:25:13
listen, I'm not going in there. I'm not going to church anymore.
1:25:17
I'm going to walk home and you cannot make me go in that
1:25:19
building. And I was bigger than her, and
1:25:23
we both knew it was true. There's no way she was going to
1:25:25
be able to make me. And so I walked home and I
1:25:29
didn't go to church after that anymore.
1:25:31
And that after that day, I really kind of dove into
1:25:36
atheism. I started like looking up
1:25:39
YouTube videos and stuff like that.
1:25:41
So you said, like, how did I become an atheist?
1:25:43
Well, I. Mean I.
1:25:47
I kind of always, you know, in my memory, obviously my mom
1:25:51
would disagree with me about this, and she's probably right.
1:25:53
But in my memory, I kind of always didn't believe in God or
1:25:59
was always suppressing, you know, the knowledge that God
1:26:01
existed. I was always kind of rebellious
1:26:04
or questioning, you know, skeptical or whatever you want
1:26:07
to call it. And I just kind of got more,
1:26:10
more that way the older I got, until I was about 15 or 16.
1:26:14
And then I really dove into atheism, got super into all the
1:26:18
atheists. The Four Horsemen.
1:26:20
You know, I really liked Christopher Hitchens.
1:26:22
He was my favorite. And then Sam Harris was probably
1:26:25
my second favorite. And then Dawkins and then
1:26:28
Dennett. I didn't really appreciate that
1:26:30
much, which is funny because I'm actually really into philosophy
1:26:33
now. And he was only one that was
1:26:35
actually a philosopher. But anyway, another slight
1:26:39
tangent. So that's kind of how I got out
1:26:43
of Christianity, so to speak. And then getting back in or or
1:26:49
getting into Christianity, believing in God.
1:26:53
I guess the the, the really big thing that really shook me up
1:26:59
was I was in a Discord call. This is about when I was 25.
1:27:04
I think I was walking my dog at a dog park and I went into a
1:27:09
Discord call. You guys know what Discord is, I
1:27:11
take it? Yeah, I used to do Discord.
1:27:14
Yeah, yeah, so. I think it was in politics that
1:27:19
politics discord, if you're familiar with that.
1:27:22
Anyway, I went in there and it was like an atheist channel or
1:27:26
whatever. And I was an atheist of course.
1:27:29
So I went in there to talk and I hadn't really been in there
1:27:31
before, but I was just bored walking my dog at the park.
1:27:34
So I went in and figured, what the heck?
1:27:36
Anyway, I was a new guy in there.
1:27:38
And so they wanted to talk to me.
1:27:40
And I started talking to him and they were asking me some funny
1:27:45
questions. And it came out that I was a
1:27:47
moral realist, even though it wasn't the term I used because I
1:27:50
didn't know that term. But I said something about rape
1:27:53
being actually wrong. And they said, wait, aren't you
1:27:57
calling yourself an atheist? And I said, yeah, of course.
1:28:00
They said, but do you really believe that morality is
1:28:05
objective, Like rape is actually wrong?
1:28:07
And I said yes, of course. And they said, you know, you
1:28:10
can't really justify that in atheism, right?
1:28:14
And I was like, what? And they're like, yeah, we we
1:28:18
really can't ground objective moral values and duties.
1:28:23
It's just subjective. And I'm like, no, that's you
1:28:27
guys don't know what you're talking about and contextual.
1:28:32
What? Rapist.
1:28:33
Contextual. Yeah, it's.
1:28:36
It's. Subjective.
1:28:37
You know it's me. No likey, right?
1:28:40
Kind of like bigotry against Jews.
1:28:41
If you run a Harvard University or run an Ivy League school,
1:28:45
it's all contextual. Yeah, so basically.
1:28:48
You. You started realizing that
1:28:50
atheism leads towards nihilism and doing that moral framework.
1:28:54
Go ahead. Well, well, I.
1:28:56
I thought that they were just completely wrong.
1:28:58
They explained to me Hume's guillotine, which says that you
1:29:01
cannot derive an ought from an is.
1:29:03
And that didn't make any sense to me at the time.
1:29:05
But I wrote it down and I started researching it and
1:29:08
eventually it finally made sense and I understood the problem.
1:29:11
And I the more I researched it because I set out to prove them
1:29:15
wrong, I was like, no, you guys are wrong.
1:29:17
I'm going to go figure out justification for how we get
1:29:21
objective moral values and duties within atheism without
1:29:24
God, you know, Because to me, the idea of rape being just
1:29:29
something I personally didn't like is absurd.
1:29:32
You know, I, I, I've always known that things like rape and
1:29:35
murder are actually wrong, you know, regardless of opinion.
1:29:40
And to suggest that they're not, it's just that's that's more
1:29:43
absurd to me than it's suggesting that I don't have a
1:29:45
right arm, you know? And Daniel, why do you think?
1:29:49
It is that you were. It's obvious that you were
1:29:52
having a a battle with yourself internally.
1:29:54
Why do you think it was that somewhere in deep within you you
1:29:59
knew that these things were wrong, but these people were
1:30:02
just kind of, you know at you about this.
1:30:06
What how did, how did that? I mean, what did that feel like?
1:30:09
Going through that felt like I was crazy.
1:30:13
You know, and it still feels like I'm crazy because I still
1:30:16
talk to atheists who act like morality is.
1:30:20
Subjective and like. That's not a problem, and it
1:30:24
it's one of the few subjects that still bothers me to even
1:30:27
talk about, because it's so obvious to me, and it always has
1:30:31
been, and I just don't know how anybody can even look you in the
1:30:36
in the face and deny it. You know that that like, hurting
1:30:39
a child isn't actually wrong. It's just something that I
1:30:43
prefer. Doesn't happen.
1:30:45
But there's no truth about whether it's right or wrong.
1:30:49
It's just like pizza. I like pineapple on my pizza and
1:30:53
you don't. What nonsense.
1:30:56
I've just always thought that that is just the biggest crock
1:31:00
of nonsense in the world. It infuriated me when I was an
1:31:05
atheist. And it still infuriates me that
1:31:08
people say this, you know, like it's meaningful, you know, and
1:31:12
people will say, well, well, it's still meaningful even if
1:31:14
it's opinion. And I'm like, no, it's not.
1:31:17
It doesn't mean anything if it's an opinion.
1:31:19
That's the nature of opinions. They're meaningless, you know,
1:31:22
either something is true or it's not.
1:31:24
And if morality is just opinion, then there is no truth about it.
1:31:29
Your opinion is just as valid as mine, and that's nonsense, so I
1:31:34
kind of found. Myself, in the same conundrum I
1:31:37
would day and night, I would debate religious people over and
1:31:41
over, and I would say, oh, what about this in the Bible?
1:31:44
And what about that? And I would use all these
1:31:46
emotional, what you call hitching arguments on them.
1:31:49
And I remember I got into it with this older Christian Who?
1:31:53
Who wasn't the typical, you know, washboard type of guy?
1:31:57
And he said so. Brett, you seem like a really
1:31:59
nice guy, and you seem to care very much about these issues.
1:32:03
Why is any of that wrong, though?
1:32:05
And I said, what? Are you joking with me, Sir?
1:32:08
Of course it's wrong to do this and that, but why?
1:32:11
Why is it wrong? Where at in your moral position
1:32:15
of nihilistic atheism does any of this come through?
1:32:18
So I'm feeling you, Daniel. I'm feeling the moral thing tore
1:32:22
me up too. Yeah, yeah, it.
1:32:24
Completely tore me up because I literally studied it and tried
1:32:28
to come up with a justification and argument for how objective
1:32:33
moral values could exist. I tried for three to four years
1:32:36
as an atheist, just trying and trying, you know, and and I had
1:32:41
a lot of hope at the beginning. And then the more I studied the
1:32:43
problem, the the bigger I understood the chasm to be.
1:32:48
And eventually I I gave up, You know, I gave up because I'm like
1:32:53
it can't be done. I understand what those guys are
1:32:55
saying and and it cannot be done it you can't bridge it.
1:32:59
If there is no God, no universal mind behind everything that is
1:33:04
good, then all we have is we're just here on this little planet
1:33:08
as subjective beings and there is no objective odds.
1:33:13
There are no objective moral values.
1:33:16
You know, like goodness, like where would that come from?
1:33:19
How are you going to ground that get out of here?
1:33:21
You're not. You need God for that.
1:33:24
So I gave up And then that that put me in a really big conundrum
1:33:29
because I'm like, well, if I can't justify objective moral
1:33:33
values and duties and yet I believe that they exist, just
1:33:36
like I believe atheism is true. Well, you know, what do I do
1:33:40
here? You know, like and and it made
1:33:42
me think, well, if being an atheist means that comes with
1:33:47
this consequence that objective moral values and duties don't
1:33:50
exist, are there any other consequences of this worldview?
1:33:55
You know, I started to think about it as a worldview because
1:33:58
most atheists, they don't like to think of it as a worldview.
1:34:01
But I started to realize like, they're actually consequences
1:34:03
that come with this belief. And I I I started to introspect
1:34:09
about what else it would mean if there was no God, what what else
1:34:14
that would indicate. And I started to realize that I
1:34:18
was actually being totally inconsistent in my epistemology.
1:34:22
And what I mean by that is I realized that, you know, the
1:34:26
argument I was making for not believing in God was.
1:34:30
I was saying, well, I haven't seen God.
1:34:31
I've never smelt God, never touched God.
1:34:34
You show me God, You give me empirical sense data, evidence
1:34:39
that God exists, and I'll believe in God, you know?
1:34:41
But until I get actual evidence that I could put my hands on and
1:34:45
see for God that I'm not going to believe in God, OK, that was
1:34:49
the argument, right? I was an empiricist, right?
1:34:52
Give me the evidence. Well, then I realized, well wait
1:34:55
a second, I'm making an argument.
1:34:57
What am I appealing to? I'm appealing to logic.
1:35:01
Well, last time I checked, logic is not made of matter, right?
1:35:07
Like there. I believe in these
1:35:09
transcendental like laws of logic which are not material,
1:35:16
and I think that they're actually true.
1:35:18
I'm appealing to them as if they exist.
1:35:20
So I'm saying there's this thing that exists that is immaterial,
1:35:24
right and universal. Like a is a everywhere.
1:35:28
And yet I'm calling myself an empiricist.
1:35:31
And that doesn't make sense, because if I'm really an
1:35:33
empiricist, I shouldn't believe that anything exists if I don't
1:35:38
have empirical evidence for a sense data which would require
1:35:42
to be made of matter, right? So and and not just logic but
1:35:49
also numbers is another big one I believed in.
1:35:53
You know, like the number seven actually exists.
1:35:56
You know and and that there are mathematical truths and yet
1:36:01
that's also not empirical. You know there's no such thing
1:36:03
as a #2 floating somewhere that you can hold in your hand.
1:36:08
You can hold a symbol of A2, but you can't hold an actual two,
1:36:12
right? So you know, you know.
1:36:17
Everything that you've mentioned so far, I can, I can kind of get
1:36:20
a taste of where you're going with this.
1:36:22
Because if you're going to appeal to logic and mathematical
1:36:26
equations and all this, especially when it comes to
1:36:29
existence in the universe, you have to remind yourself that all
1:36:33
these things can't be comprehended or transcribed
1:36:36
without a mind being behind it in order for it to be coherent.
1:36:40
So go ahead, continue on. Yeah.
1:36:42
Exactly. And and I was calling myself in
1:36:45
a materialist, right? I'm AII am a empiricist and a
1:36:50
materialist. And yet I'm realizing I believe
1:36:52
in things that are not able to be empirically seen and are also
1:36:59
not material. Right.
1:37:01
So it was at this time I talked, I I was, I was really struggling
1:37:05
because I thought atheism was true.
1:37:08
And yet I'm realizing that my justification for my atheism was
1:37:12
really, actually very hypocritical, or seemed to be.
1:37:16
And so I went to my friend who was an atheist, and he was very
1:37:20
philosophically minded, very smart guy, And it was at
1:37:26
discord. And he and I would talk all the
1:37:29
time, and we would talk about how stupid Christians were and
1:37:32
all that kind of stuff. And I went to him and I said,
1:37:36
listen, I've. I'm noticing what seems to be a
1:37:39
big problem because I'm saying that I need evidence.
1:37:43
I'm saying I need empirical evidence for all this stuff.
1:37:45
I need it for God. And yet here's all these things
1:37:48
I believe that I have no empirical evidence for.
1:37:52
And you know, I believe in logic.
1:37:54
I believe in numbers. I believe in love.
1:37:56
You know, there's there's no empirical evidence for any of
1:37:58
these things. And and I said, what have you
1:38:03
noticed that there's this problem, Like how do we solve
1:38:05
this? You know what?
1:38:06
What's what's the answer? What's going on here?
1:38:09
And what he said to me I will never forget as long as I live.
1:38:14
And people call me a liar. They say he didn't say this, but
1:38:17
he did. He said if you keep asking
1:38:21
questions like this, you will not be an atheist for very much
1:38:25
longer. That's what he said to me.
1:38:30
And he was right. And I believe you, I believe.
1:38:33
You there's quotes by Nietzsche and there's actually been some
1:38:37
non believers who struggled with this issue and I've heard them
1:38:40
say things like well even if I don't believe I should at least
1:38:44
live my life like there is a God.
1:38:46
I'm sure you guys have probably heard that quote before.
1:38:49
Yeah, yeah. And, yeah, so he told me that
1:38:53
and that, you know, when I hear something like that, I'm like,
1:38:56
OK, well, now I'm just gonna go and start digging even further,
1:39:01
you know, like, I'm going to get to the bottom of this, you know,
1:39:03
Thanks for the help, but not really, because he didn't really
1:39:06
help me, you know, He just confused me more.
1:39:09
I'm like, what do you mean? Now I understand what he meant.
1:39:13
And he was right, of course. But, you know, at the time, I
1:39:16
was very confused. And I guess you know, to to be
1:39:22
quick about the story, the the big thing, the huge thing that
1:39:26
really solidified that atheism cannot be true because I still
1:39:30
thought it was true. You know, I really thought it
1:39:33
was true or or so I thought. Anyway, at the time, the big
1:39:38
thing that I came into was knowledge, the problem of
1:39:41
knowledge, epistemology. And what I realized was that if
1:39:47
there is no God, then knowledge is impossible.
1:39:51
We can't know anything. And that's because all of our
1:39:54
knowledge is based on axioms that we just take for granted
1:40:00
their assumptions. So one of those axioms might be
1:40:04
the idea that our reasoning is sound.
1:40:07
Like, how do you know that you can trust your reasoning that
1:40:10
it's going to be sound? How do you know you're not
1:40:12
crazy? Well, you don't know, and
1:40:15
there's no way to prove that you're not crazy because in
1:40:18
order to prove it. You'd have to already be
1:40:20
reasoning soundly, right? So you have to appeal to the
1:40:23
very thing that's in question in order to justify the thing
1:40:26
that's in question. And that's called begging the
1:40:29
question. Yeah, circular reasoning,
1:40:31
exactly. And there are all kinds of
1:40:34
accidents that we just take for granted that are like this, For
1:40:37
example, uniformity of nature, which is, you know, another way
1:40:41
of putting that is induction, right?
1:40:43
That the future will resemble the past.
1:40:47
We don't have any evidence of that.
1:40:48
We just believe it and there's no justification for it.
1:40:51
If you try to justify it, you're going to beg the question once
1:40:54
again. So all of our knowledge, or
1:40:58
quote UN quote knowledge, is based on totally unjustified
1:41:02
assumptions that we hold. And if what you're calling
1:41:08
knowledge is based on an unjustified assumption, well
1:41:11
then it's not knowledge is it? Because in order for it to be
1:41:15
knowledge, it has to be justified.
1:41:17
Knowledge is defined as something that is a justified
1:41:21
true belief. So if none of our knowledge is
1:41:26
justified, then we don't have any knowledge and none of our
1:41:30
none of the things we know can be knowledge, because it's all
1:41:34
based on unjustified assumptions which we call axioms.
1:41:39
So if there's no God, then all we have is ourselves.
1:41:44
We're starting with ourselves and we're starting with these
1:41:47
assumptions. So knowledge becomes impossible.
1:41:51
And that creates contradiction because in order to say I know
1:41:57
nothing, well, that's actually a knowledge claim itself.
1:42:02
In the same way, if I said that none of the statements or
1:42:06
everything I've ever said in my whole life is false if I said
1:42:09
that, so all of the statements I've ever ever said and never
1:42:13
will say are false. That itself, that statement that
1:42:18
I just said is a true statement meaning that it cannot be true.
1:42:23
That all of my statements are false because the statement
1:42:27
itself is self referential and is a true statement.
1:42:32
So all statements of falseness are at the same time statements
1:42:37
about truth. You know if you say X is false,
1:42:40
you're actually saying it's true that X is false.
1:42:44
And in the same way, when we say I know nothing or I'm ignorant
1:42:48
of something, we're actually making a knowledge claim.
1:42:51
We're saying I know that I know nothing.
1:42:53
You're saying I know that there's this thing here that I
1:42:55
don't know. So whenever you use make a
1:42:58
statement about what is false, you're also making a statement
1:43:02
about a truth. And whenever you make a
1:43:04
statement about ignorance, you're also implicitly making a
1:43:08
statement about something that you know.
1:43:11
And because of that, when you say I know nothing, that's
1:43:16
actually a contradiction, because anytime you talk about
1:43:19
what you don't know, you're also at the same time talking about
1:43:22
something you do know. So we can't know nothing.
1:43:25
That's a contradiction. To say I know nothing is a
1:43:28
contradiction. And so that means that we must
1:43:31
know something. And it also means that if
1:43:34
atheism cannot ground or justify knowledge, and it can't, then
1:43:41
atheism cannot be true because it leads to the contradiction.
1:43:45
I know nothing. So atheism literally cannot be
1:43:50
true. If there is no God and we cannot
1:43:53
justify any of our beliefs, then we know nothing and and that's
1:43:58
contradiction. And therefore there must exist
1:44:00
at least one God because contradictions are false, right?
1:44:04
So any belief that leads to a contradiction is false.
1:44:06
Atheism leads to a contradiction.
1:44:08
Therefore, atheism is false. So that was that, basically.
1:44:14
Proved to me that. God exists and and it's it's
1:44:17
actually a little bit bigger than that because if if you
1:44:21
think. About how is.
1:44:23
It that we can know anything, right?
1:44:26
Site 10 talks about this and I agree with him.
1:44:29
He says that site 10 Bruton Cate that is says that if you can
1:44:34
know something you know, like you know like 1% of all the
1:44:38
information in the universe, well, do you really?
1:44:42
Know that I mean. Can't the?
1:44:45
99% of things. That you don't know, prove you
1:44:48
wrong about the 1% of things that you think you know.
1:44:51
And to me, the answer of course is yes, it can prove you wrong.
1:44:54
Like anything that you don't know could prove you wrong about
1:44:57
something you think you know. And if that's true, and I think
1:45:00
it is, then what that means is that in order to know any one
1:45:04
thing, you have to know everything.
1:45:06
Otherwise you don't really know it because you could be wrong
1:45:10
about it, and in order to have knowledge you have, it has to be
1:45:14
a justified true belief, and if you can be wrong about something
1:45:17
then it's not actually true, is it?
1:45:21
So that means that in order for knowledge to be possible, there
1:45:25
must be an all knowing being, because any being that is not
1:45:30
all knowing can't have any knowledge because they don't
1:45:34
know everything and the things they don't know could prove them
1:45:36
wrong about what they think they know an excellent.
1:45:39
Point, I said. That's.
1:45:42
An excellent. Point you were, you were saying?
1:45:45
Earlier. In in what you were sharing, I'd
1:45:49
like to hear your opinion as well as TTURS on this.
1:45:52
Why do you think that whenever you bring up that atheism is a
1:45:56
world view, I've noticed the majority of non believers I've
1:45:59
talked to, they will cry up and down.
1:46:01
No, no, no, no, It's not a world view.
1:46:03
Every human being on the planet, whether they're presupposing or
1:46:07
not, has a view of the world and life and how they perceive
1:46:11
reality. So why would someone be freaked
1:46:14
out by the idea that someone would express they have a view
1:46:17
of the world? Obviously they do.
1:46:19
Isn't the consequences of being an atheist is usually by
1:46:23
default. You're gonna think everything
1:46:25
exists due to natural causes. Yeah, so, so.
1:46:30
I I wanna comment on this really quickly because it's very
1:46:34
interesting. I actually have thought about
1:46:36
this as well. And do you know what I have
1:46:39
started to say that gets completely around the issue, but
1:46:42
says exactly the same thing instead of saying.
1:46:46
Instead. Of saying atheist worldview, all
1:46:49
you have to say is godless worldview.
1:46:53
I kid you not, I've done it like 30 times, have not got pushed
1:46:56
back one time I say, how do you make sense of this in your
1:47:00
godless worldview? Have not got pushed back one
1:47:03
time. It's only when you say atheist
1:47:06
worldview that you get pushed back.
1:47:08
So just say godless and you'll skip all that.
1:47:11
I'm telling you it works every time.
1:47:12
Oh, but I like taking them. Down.
1:47:14
I like putting a little bread crumbs out there.
1:47:17
Lead them out in that direction. But I hear you.
1:47:19
I get you. Yeah.
1:47:20
I mean, I don't like to. Get bogged down.
1:47:22
And like atheism is not a world view, I'd rather get to the
1:47:25
actual question. So I just say Godless and you
1:47:28
know, it means exactly the same thing and I skip all that.
1:47:32
But anyway, go ahead, TTORI was just going to say.
1:47:35
Before I answer the question, I just want to point out and
1:47:39
acknowledge all the people in the Rumble chat.
1:47:42
I know you guys aren't seeing it because Rumble isn't integrated
1:47:45
into Stream Yard, so you can't see the comments there.
1:47:48
But we've had about five or six different people comment in the
1:47:51
Rumble chat and they've been commenting away quite a bit.
1:47:55
And at one point we had 8-9 live viewers on the Rumble stream as
1:47:59
well. So I'm very happy to acknowledge
1:48:02
all of you guys on Rumble who think that I don't see you.
1:48:06
I do, and it's great to see so much activity on my Rumble
1:48:09
stream. But As for why atheists don't
1:48:12
like the term atheistic worldview, or why they push back
1:48:16
so much when you say atheist worldview, but they don't push
1:48:20
back at all when they when you say godless worldview is because
1:48:24
if you say that they have an atheistic or their worldview is
1:48:27
atheism, that means that they have a burden of proof to prove
1:48:32
that their worldview is true. And I am telling you, they are
1:48:36
allergic to burden of proof like nothing I have ever seen in my
1:48:40
entire life. Atheists and evolutionists will
1:48:43
go out of their way. They will do literally anything,
1:48:47
say anything, to avoid having a burden of proof for their
1:48:51
worldview. But they're always.
1:48:53
Which is why they're always. Trying to get Christians and
1:48:57
creationists like myself to always be on the defensive and
1:49:00
always having to answer questions.
1:49:02
And if we attempt to ask any back, well, you're just trying
1:49:05
to get around the issue. They hate accountability,
1:49:09
especially if that accountability means proving
1:49:11
their worldview is true or having the burden of proof for
1:49:14
their worldview. And that's why they offer you
1:49:16
pushback when you say that they have an atheist worldview, or an
1:49:20
atheistic worldview, or the worldview of atheism.
1:49:23
But when you say they have a godless worldview, for some
1:49:26
reason they don't push back. Yeah.
1:49:28
Can I expand on? That a little bit.
1:49:29
I I mean for the for the most part, I completely agree the the
1:49:35
vast majority of atheists are what I call little dog atheists,
1:49:38
which is where they're lack theists.
1:49:40
They just lack a belief, quote UN quote, in God.
1:49:44
And that's certainly true that they do not like to talk about
1:49:49
their position. They do not like to talk about
1:49:51
their beliefs. They try to stay totally on the
1:49:55
offensive at all times. But there are of course actual
1:50:00
atheists like Graham Opie who will.
1:50:04
I mean, there's no such thing as a real atheist in my view.
1:50:06
I think Romans one is true. But there are atheists who will
1:50:10
take the position that God does not exist and actually justify
1:50:14
that and argue for it. And I respect those kinds of
1:50:18
atheists much, much, much more than atheists that pretend like
1:50:24
they just lack a belief in God. And really, they're taking the
1:50:27
position of agnosticism and calling it atheism when they
1:50:30
really do have a belief. I I just so also atheism, like
1:50:36
little dog atheism is like a fire.
1:50:38
I mean, these these people can't justify their beliefs.
1:50:41
I mean, fire doesn't create anything.
1:50:43
It just destroys. So they don't want to talk about
1:50:47
their beliefs because their worldview is just skepticism and
1:50:51
it's empty. There's nothing substantive
1:50:54
there. Just like fire is not
1:50:56
substantive. It's just meant to burn things
1:50:58
down. So they want to point that fire
1:51:01
at your beliefs and burn it to the ground, but they don't want
1:51:05
to start trying to account for or justify any of their beliefs
1:51:09
because they don't know how their their worldview is purely
1:51:14
offensive. I mean, of course they do have
1:51:17
beliefs, but they really don't want to justify anything.
1:51:21
They think that their worldview is true by default, and they
1:51:25
don't need to give any justification, so they have no
1:51:28
idea how to give justifications. They think if they can show why
1:51:31
other world views are wrong and they can give critiques of other
1:51:34
world views, then theirs is correct by default.
1:51:37
So I think that's why they're so defensive in general.
1:51:43
Yep, I would agree with you. Too, in that regard, that's one
1:51:46
of the reasons why that's one. Of the reasons TTR why a lot of
1:51:49
these non believers come in and call me the N word and say they
1:51:53
want to rape my face and all that.
1:51:55
TTR got to hear two of my fans come in earlier and go off on
1:51:59
me. Because when I get into a
1:52:01
conversation with atheists, I always tell them, look, I'm more
1:52:04
than happy to answer your questions, have a conversation,
1:52:07
but I'm also going to be firing back at you on your position,
1:52:12
and if you're not willing to do that, then you better move along
1:52:15
now. So I I don't give them any kind
1:52:17
of lack there. And one of the things I like to
1:52:21
go at them about is biology and science and all that.
1:52:25
I'm a big fan of science. I know for some reason, at some
1:52:28
point in time, atheist gathered together and this little atheist
1:52:32
cathedral and they said, oh, religious people don't know
1:52:35
nothing about science, even though, you know, 90% of the
1:52:38
science community throughout history was put together by
1:52:41
religious people. Yeah, so it's a that's what I
1:52:46
find myself in, and they especially don't like it
1:52:49
whenever I ask them. So do you believe that your
1:52:52
descendants came from the womb of a baboon?
1:52:55
That gets them really excited, but it is what it did.
1:52:59
Yeah, and it was a male and a female descendant from from two
1:53:03
different wombs at the same time, You know, Daniel?
1:53:08
Surprisingly, I don't know what it is.
1:53:11
I don't know if you ran into the same thing.
1:53:13
I know Tpur probably has because he's talked to a lot of these
1:53:16
folks, but a lot of them don't for some reason.
1:53:20
Although they say they believe in evolution, A lot of them I've
1:53:24
talked to, they don't realize that they were supposedly
1:53:27
something before the primate. They look at the drawings of the
1:53:31
you know, the monkey walking and turning into the guy.
1:53:34
But when you start getting into so you think you come from a
1:53:36
fish or snot on a rock or all that, they're like, huh what you
1:53:40
talking about Willis? They they don't realize that a
1:53:43
lot of them don't. I know I was.
1:53:45
That was just. Happening to me today somebody
1:53:47
was like what we don't humans will come from a fish And and
1:53:50
they were they're like they they were asking me like I didn't
1:53:53
know anything about evolution. You know they're like don't you
1:53:56
know anything about evolution? Humans don't come from a fish
1:53:59
and I'm like, they they they said humans don't come from a
1:54:02
fish. Fish were just one of our
1:54:05
ancient ancestors. And I'm I was like, so you're
1:54:11
telling me that our ancestors were fish but we don't come from
1:54:16
fish. Is that what you're telling me
1:54:17
Like how does that make sense And you see.
1:54:20
Exactly. Dan Yeah.
1:54:22
And I have found that so many times.
1:54:24
And one of the things that also, besides the fish, really
1:54:27
bothersome. But science claims that the
1:54:30
primate actually came from an ancient rat.
1:54:34
And I love bringing that up with them.
1:54:35
They've even got little cartoons of this thing.
1:54:38
It's cute, looks like Mickey Mouse and everything.
1:54:40
And I'm like, I remember that you come.
1:54:42
From a rat, do you, Sir? And they're like, no, no, I come
1:54:45
from a primate. And I said yeah, but what
1:54:47
happened before the primate? What was climbing the tree
1:54:49
before that thing? Oops.
1:54:51
They hate it. Yeah.
1:54:54
It's very much true. The funny part?
1:54:56
About all this. Information you guys have put
1:54:57
out there is that you can get most of this on Wikipedia.
1:55:01
Brett and I had a live stream in the past where we literally had
1:55:04
an atheist in the room who was trying to tell us that we didn't
1:55:07
understand abiogenesis even though we were reading it
1:55:10
straight off the Wikipedia page. And then when we.
1:55:14
Actually brought it up, It's. Like and then you know the the
1:55:18
spinning started. You know what I mean?
1:55:20
Well, a lot of non believers. Daniel, you probably discovered
1:55:23
this. I know TTORS, but they don't
1:55:25
realize that abiogenesis is basically the first
1:55:29
transformation, the first origin of the process of evolution.
1:55:33
It even says it in the very definition.
1:55:36
So they'll tell you whenever they're debating, they'll say,
1:55:38
well, abiogenesis has nothing to do with evolution.
1:55:42
I I'm like, Sir, do you know what a dictionary is?
1:55:44
Do you even just five minute Google search hell 5 seconds and
1:55:48
you got it right there? I don't get that.
1:55:51
Don't understand it. I I know.
1:55:53
It's so weird. To me they act like the two
1:55:55
theory, the two things are not related at all and I'm like they
1:55:58
are completely directly related. You have to have one in order to
1:56:02
get the other because the whole point of evolution, if you're
1:56:05
not going to appeal to God and say that God started it, which
1:56:09
they don't want to do that because it's supposed to be
1:56:11
naturalistic. Well, if it's naturalistic, you
1:56:15
have to go from non life to life, so the only way to do that
1:56:18
is with abiogenesis. So abiogenesis is literally the
1:56:23
fundamental fundamental. Part of.
1:56:26
The evolutionary theory, if you don't have that, you have
1:56:30
nothing. If you cannot start life from
1:56:33
non life, evolution is completely false.
1:56:38
Period and full stop. That's it.
1:56:40
That's game over, OK as far as I'm concerned, I know.
1:56:46
And if you want to say aliens did it, OK, what then?
1:56:48
They came from non life. So show how that's how that
1:56:51
happened. You know, I see your book there.
1:56:54
You. Don't need to spam your book.
1:56:58
It's fine. You got a book as well?
1:57:01
Yeah, I'm just, I'm just promoting.
1:57:02
A book. It's called Dean's People Truth
1:57:04
on proving the evidence for the existence of God, Divinity of
1:57:08
the Tar, and the purpose of life.
1:57:10
Anyway, I just thank you. All right.
1:57:13
So one. Sentence summary.
1:57:15
About the book, what's it basically about?
1:57:18
Because the title. Well, hold on, TT.
1:57:19
ORI sent you the login information for Rumble.
1:57:22
I got to warn you though, my password is kind of really
1:57:25
goofy. And the reason why I do that is
1:57:28
because I knew nobody would guess it.
1:57:30
So when you see it, don't go. Oh bright, you're such a weirdo.
1:57:33
It's just a it's just to mess people up.
1:57:36
So I can't be hacked. There you go.
1:57:38
OK. Thank you.
1:57:40
So since you're trying to advertise the book instead of
1:57:43
just showing it, maybe you could tell us a very brief summary of
1:57:47
well, Daniel before you do. That or not, Daniel, but TTR,
1:57:50
can you show Daniel the T-shirt real quick?
1:57:53
He's wearing my T-shirt right now.
1:57:54
Yes, hold on a second. Get me on screen, then.
1:58:00
TTR likes to. Buy my clothes.
1:58:03
Look at that. Evolution is magic.
1:58:05
That's great. I like that evolution magic.
1:58:08
Is what it says. Oh, OK.
1:58:11
Evil Yeah, I got off of Brett's. Spring store man, that would
1:58:15
make a nice meme. Right there.
1:58:16
I like that. I I would consider wearing that.
1:58:21
To like the kosher restaurants. Can we still?
1:58:26
Get Is that shirt still available?
1:58:28
Yep, that's how I got. It it's on Brett's Merch store.
1:58:32
Oh yeah, I got tons of clothes. On there and good stuff.
1:58:35
Did you show him the book yet? He advertised it earlier.
1:58:39
Just hold it up real quick. There it is.
1:58:41
Afterlife simulation. Yeah, a dystopian science
1:58:46
fiction action novel. It's really good you wrote that.
1:58:50
No, Yeah, we've got a few books. After.
1:58:52
But this is the newest one. So you write science fiction?
1:58:56
Yeah, but. It's got a lot of how do I put
1:58:59
this, got a lot of philosophy and spiritual stuff in it as
1:59:03
well. It's not some kind of sermon or
1:59:05
whatever I've it's very action-packed and very sciency
1:59:09
and all that. There's a lot of, there's a.
1:59:11
Lot of plot. Elements that are all it.
1:59:13
It's not on audible. Is it?
1:59:16
I'm. I was actually.
1:59:17
Talking to TTR about this earlier, I've got a I'm gonna be
1:59:21
doing some audio books with a female voice on it.
1:59:24
I have had people say, are you going with a female voice?
1:59:27
Yeah, a lot of people have. Said Brett.
1:59:29
Why don't you use your own voice?
1:59:31
And as much as I enjoy my own books, reading off the entire
1:59:36
entirety of my novels, Oof, goodness gracious.
1:59:39
You know, that'd be right. It's a It's a thick read.
1:59:42
As you can see, so only only 460 you know it's my e-mail.
1:59:51
Voice. I want to hear it in the male
1:59:52
voice. My mom was.
1:59:54
Telling me that I should. Start getting into Audible
1:59:57
because she's been listening to some of my YouTube videos and
2:00:00
she's like, you have such a nice voice.
2:00:02
Daniel and I don't. I don't agree at all.
2:00:05
I don't think I have a nice voice, but it's funny that we're
2:00:07
talking about this. I I don't think I would enjoy
2:00:12
reading a whole book, but. I don't know.
2:00:15
Well, you do got a good voice. And it's not just that you also
2:00:18
are very articulate. I mean, it's one thing having a
2:00:21
good tone, but you also sound very articulate and you express
2:00:25
yourself really well. I'm not Tooting your horn there.
2:00:28
I'm just saying the facts as they as I see them, well, I I
2:00:32
really appreciate. That I try it.
2:00:34
I don't really know how I come off to other people, so I
2:00:38
appreciate it though so earlier. We were talking about how, or at
2:00:43
least I brought up, how atheists and evolutionists will tell us
2:00:48
that we're lying about things like abiogenesis even though
2:00:51
we're reading them off the Wikipedia pages.
2:00:54
Well, one thing that happened this year was that after I
2:00:58
started making a concentrated effort at attacking atheists and
2:01:02
evolutionists over the issue of abiogenesis, and I kept
2:01:05
hammering over and over, Hey, here's the Wikipedia page says
2:01:09
that abiogenesis is an evolutionary process.
2:01:12
Yeah. Sometime after that, some
2:01:14
activists actually went into Wikipedia.
2:01:17
They went to the abiogenesis page, and they actually removed
2:01:22
the word evolutionary from the sentence that said that it's an
2:01:26
evolutionary process. And if you go there today, it
2:01:29
just says that it's a process. That's funny.
2:01:32
So yeah, if you present to them the.
2:01:34
Wikipedia information. After you explain to them how
2:01:38
you're not just making it up and that you're getting straight
2:01:40
from Wikipedia, they will actually go and do this.
2:01:44
Just so you know. Yeah, yeah, you guys.
2:01:46
Heard what They did the Neil deGrasse Tyson a while back,
2:01:49
didn't you? Did you hear about this?
2:01:52
No. So.
2:01:53
Neil, Degrasse. Tyson whenever people when he
2:01:56
started going out the debate with Richard Dawkins and I
2:01:59
believe Bill Nye went with them. Do you remember that?
2:02:04
I don't remember Neil deGrasse Tyson debating Christians.
2:02:08
Well, he wasn't debating. He was going out and doing these
2:02:11
things where he would talk and Bill Nye would talk and then
2:02:15
Dawkins was going a few times but him and Dawkins got into it.
2:02:19
The reason why is he did this thing on a show called Big
2:02:22
Think. Have you ever heard of that on
2:02:24
YouTube? Yes, I've heard of Big Think.
2:02:26
So Neil deGrasse Tyson, he. Comes out and he says he only
2:02:29
isked. I am as a scientist, he says.
2:02:32
I'm not an atheist. So he put that out there.
2:02:35
He wanted to make it clear and he said he was very angry about
2:02:39
now. He didn't like yell at the
2:02:41
screen. He talked and Neil degrasse type
2:02:43
of way. But what had happened was an
2:02:45
atheist kept putting all the stuff up on Wikipedia and other
2:02:48
sites, saying that he's an atheist and he didn't want to be
2:02:51
associated with atheism. He even said that on the Joe
2:02:54
Rogan Show. I don't know how many of you
2:02:56
watched that and that angered the atheist community because
2:03:00
they wanted so badly to, you know how they want the smart
2:03:03
people on their side so they can go see we got Neil deGrasse
2:03:06
Tyson, but he he wasn't one of theirs and they they got
2:03:10
aggravated. He's more of, if I had to give
2:03:13
him a term, I'd probably go with more like a secular agnostic or
2:03:17
something. That's I think that's accurate.
2:03:20
So. Go ahead.
2:03:21
What do you guys got? You said that you had people
2:03:23
typing out there. TTR.
2:03:25
Do you want to tell us what they wanted?
2:03:27
I want to. I want to bring something up.
2:03:28
Can I bring something up real quick?
2:03:30
Sure. You guys.
2:03:32
Thoughts on this? Because to me it's just blew
2:03:35
it's just blowing my mind. I've been I was talking to my
2:03:39
friend, the Kentucky atheist went into his space a few days
2:03:44
ago and we were talking about evolution a little bit and.
2:03:51
I don't know if I want. To get into exactly how it all
2:03:54
came up, But essentially they were saying that no animal is
2:03:58
more evolved than any other animal at any time, which I
2:04:03
think is just completely ridiculous.
2:04:08
How can you get that idea from? Evolution.
2:04:10
I mean there, what constraint does evolution have that makes
2:04:14
sure that nothing is more evolved than another thing?
2:04:16
Yeah, well, they're, they were saying.
2:04:18
That, like every animal is where it is, basically, and it's
2:04:24
exactly as fit for survival as it's going to be at its current
2:04:30
time. And so no animal is more evolved
2:04:34
than any other animal. And I'm like, OK, but are you
2:04:37
saying that I literally asked them this.
2:04:40
I said, OK, so if we go 10,000 years into the future and we see
2:04:44
human beings and somehow they're so evolved that they can fly,
2:04:48
they're incredibly, incredibly intelligent, So intelligent that
2:04:52
they make us seem like ants in comparison, you know, they can
2:04:56
shoot beams out of their eyes, you know, It's all kinds of
2:05:00
amazing things, like X-Men, X-Men.
2:05:02
Stuff to everybody. Yeah, exactly right.
2:05:05
Exactly, I said. I said, if we see this in 10,000
2:05:09
years, that that's how humans are.
2:05:11
Are you telling me that those humans are no more evolved than
2:05:16
we are now? And they were like, yes, those
2:05:19
humans are no more evolved than we are now.
2:05:21
And I'm like, OK, so that's really, really silly.
2:05:24
So are you then telling me that the very first life on Earth
2:05:29
that, you know, like there was no life, and then here's the
2:05:32
first life that we all come from, whatever that was, the
2:05:35
back, the bacteria on the. Rocks underneath the oceans,
2:05:37
yeah. Yeah, the goo.
2:05:38
Right. That life which had zero
2:05:43
mutations before it started mutating and evolving and
2:05:47
turning into us, whatever, that life right there that has no
2:05:50
mutations has not evolved at all.
2:05:53
Are we any more evolved than that life?
2:05:56
And they said no. And I'm like.
2:06:00
Really. That doesn't even make sense in
2:06:03
the. Evolutionary world view, but
2:06:05
also it also is. They they acted like I didn't
2:06:08
understand. Evolution, well, it's also very.
2:06:14
Contradictory to what a lot of atheists claim, but I I hear
2:06:18
what you're saying Daniel, and I fully agree with you.
2:06:20
But it's also contradictory because if you ask atheists, why
2:06:25
didn't this evolve to the point where it was able to survive?
2:06:28
They'll say millions of species died because they didn't adapt
2:06:32
properly or evolved into the system or the process the way
2:06:36
they do. So if that's the case, then the
2:06:39
both the two cannot be true at the same time.
2:06:41
On that. But you're right, it sounds like
2:06:43
you're dealing with a Did the guy even make it through high
2:06:46
school, Daniel? Like it wasn't.
2:06:48
It wasn't one. Guy he It was 4 atheists and had
2:06:52
a brain cell between them. I mean and and.
2:06:56
This guy, I mean, I don't want to like be mean to him, but he
2:07:00
he's been through college, you know, and he he, he has like a
2:07:04
bachelor's in science. And yet he doesn't understand
2:07:07
it. Actually, he doesn't understand.
2:07:09
I literally was trying to explain to him that evolution is
2:07:13
a theory, not a fact, and he didn't understand that.
2:07:16
And yet he's trying to tell me that I don't understand what
2:07:19
science is. And I'm like, dude, theories are
2:07:22
not facts. Like you can literally look up
2:07:25
what a scientific theory is and it will literally tell you that
2:07:28
those are not facts. Well, Daniel a perfect.
2:07:31
Example you can give a non believer who can't tell the
2:07:34
difference between a scientific theory and what actual fact the
2:07:37
reality is, is bring up the universe.
2:07:40
The theory was that the universe was what's 14 to 16 billion
2:07:44
years old. Now they're telling us that it's
2:07:46
30 billion years old. Now they're telling us that the
2:07:50
theory of the moon was a certain amount.
2:07:52
Now it's 11,000,000 more, actually 40 billion more years
2:07:56
older than what it is. So it can't be a fact if it's
2:08:00
constantly changing and if science is a claim, is
2:08:04
correcting itself as though it's a microcosm just figuring itself
2:08:09
out without no help. Yeah, I mean.
2:08:13
Something could come up tomorrow that upends everything that we
2:08:15
think we know, you know that. That's kind of what I was
2:08:18
talking about earlier. Isn't it magical how, no matter
2:08:21
what new? Things come to light.
2:08:23
The universe and the Earth's age always gets older, never
2:08:27
younger, and they throw a huge hissy.
2:08:30
Fit if. Someone even suggests remotely
2:08:33
that it might be a million or so years younger than we thought.
2:08:37
I predict. I predict.
2:08:38
In the next couple years, TTR hold me to it.
2:08:41
And the next two years, the Earth is going to quadruple its
2:08:46
age according to science, it's going to go from 4.5 billion
2:08:50
years old, which is popular now, to off in the 20s.
2:08:54
They got to do that in order for that magical evolution to work.
2:08:57
You know it's it's so. Crazy if it doesn't come to.
2:09:01
Pass. I will not do 10 audio
2:09:05
narrations of Afterlife Simulation 2 for my channel.
2:09:09
Very good, very good. All right, that's pretty cool.
2:09:17
We got about to pay if someone has something else to talk
2:09:20
about. We have about 5 to 10 minutes
2:09:23
left. Well.
2:09:23
I I will say to. Daniel as well as our new friend
2:09:27
Mr. Judas Fly. Rough name by the way.
2:09:30
There guy. We do tend to do these live
2:09:33
shows like every week or two weeks and stuff.
2:09:35
You guys are more than welcome to come in.
2:09:38
I've given the information over TTR, so we'll be connecting even
2:09:41
more streams up and, well, I'll always put the link out there
2:09:45
for people to come in. We're going to have to keep
2:09:47
doing our stranger danger though, unless you bring those
2:09:50
screens down smaller for visitors.
2:09:54
Yeah, I'll work on. That well, yeah.
2:09:59
I mean, it's kind of late, honestly.
2:10:02
My wife's probably going to kill me, but I should be able to pop
2:10:06
in every once in a while, yeah? The reason why I have to do my
2:10:11
streams as late as I do on Thursdays is because I work
2:10:15
during the day and I work all the way, usually until about
2:10:18
6:30 on Thursdays, maybe at six if I'm lucky.
2:10:22
So yeah, I basically have just enough time to come home and
2:10:25
grab something, quick to eat, set up and go.
2:10:29
I got something for you. Daniel, since you've been
2:10:32
finding yourself arguing with non believers as of late, it
2:10:35
sounds like with the whole evolution thing.
2:10:38
Have you ever brought up to them the **NSYNC evolution and the
2:10:42
compatibility of like a sexual reproduction I brought?
2:10:46
It up a while. Ago, if I understand you
2:10:49
correctly, I brought up. I mean, I think I.
2:10:52
Did it in a meme. And it got pretty, pretty decent
2:10:57
traction. I was making the point that it's
2:11:00
funny how. You have to kind of.
2:11:05
Believe that at some point male and female genitalia came into
2:11:11
being, you know, somewhat fully functional at the same time, you
2:11:16
know, for something, right? Is that what you're talking
2:11:20
about? Well, there's that and there's.
2:11:22
Also, the the idea that since these creatures are constantly
2:11:26
changing and allegedly going through all these many
2:11:29
transitions, how are they staying sexually compatible with
2:11:34
each other? I mean, if you had one fish
2:11:37
where it suddenly evolved with, you know it's it's parts just
2:11:42
totally too enormous and the female doesn't have the right
2:11:46
ideal. Basically compatibility issues,
2:11:49
you get it. I don't want to get pornographic
2:11:51
up in here, right? Yeah, yeah.
2:11:56
I mean, there's a lot of huge issues with evolution that are
2:12:00
really just completely swept under the rug.
2:12:05
They they talk about the. Evidence for it, but they do not
2:12:11
like to talk about the evidence against it and the problems with
2:12:15
it. You know, in the fossil record,
2:12:17
for example, which completely, you know, it was not what Darwin
2:12:22
predicted at all. It's actually what
2:12:26
evolutionists. Themselves predicted would be
2:12:28
the case of creationism. Was true, yeah.
2:12:32
Yeah. So there's there's a lot of huge
2:12:35
problems with evolution but if you have any kind of book or
2:12:38
anything I'd I would love to read it.
2:12:39
You know, I I love getting ammo of this nature to to use you
2:12:47
know and filling my head with knowledge about this kind of
2:12:50
stuff. This is this is my passion.
2:12:53
I have a ton of great. Books on those topics that are
2:12:55
creationism related that I think you would enjoy, so I'm going to
2:12:59
send you some links over Twitter here soon.
2:13:02
OK, awesome man. Perfect.
2:13:03
Like people I actually. Know who've written amazing
2:13:06
books on these subjects like it's it'll be a real treat for
2:13:09
you. Yeah, there's.
2:13:11
This one of the big things that you can come up with all types
2:13:16
of arguments with. I guess I'll finish it out with
2:13:19
this is, you know whenever you were talking to that guy on your
2:13:23
on what you had going on on Twitter, I wanted to come in and
2:13:26
ask him at what point in time and what variables caused this.
2:13:30
I talked to Aaron Raw a while back.
2:13:32
I'm sure you guys are familiar with him.
2:13:34
Mr. TTR, you know Aaron Ross, right?
2:13:37
Oh yeah, he. He.
2:13:39
Asked me. He basically he knew me whenever
2:13:42
I was a former atheist, at least by watching my videos.
2:13:45
And he said, Brett, what is one of the problems he goes, he used
2:13:49
to support the concept of evolution.
2:13:52
Why? Why is things changed for?
2:13:54
And I said, I'll tell you what, I'll tell you what, I'll accept
2:13:57
evolution right now if you can tell me how evolution created
2:14:01
the pain receptors in our body as well as the nervous system.
2:14:06
And he goes, oh, he goes, well, I'll tell you what, I'll write
2:14:10
an essay and get back to you. And I said, oh, you get back to
2:14:13
me. I won't hold my breath on that,
2:14:15
but we'll see what happens. So I that's one of the things
2:14:18
I've thrown out there. I still haven't got a good
2:14:20
answer on this. How did pain receptors come into
2:14:23
existence? If nature can't even feel, it
2:14:26
doesn't care if we live or die or if we survive, then where
2:14:30
does this come from? Our ability to even be able to
2:14:33
feel or have intuition. That's what I was wanting to
2:14:36
bring up with that fellow you were talking to.
2:14:40
I I had to have to look. More into that I've never
2:14:42
thought about that but yeah, that's pretty crazy that we
2:14:47
would develop. I mean there's a lot of things
2:14:50
that we have that it's like really just time and chance is
2:14:55
responsible for this. It's it's crazy how hard it
2:14:59
fruit know that we're going to. Have teeth.
2:15:03
Well, Daniel, you probably will run into some goofy atheists
2:15:07
like I have and they'll say things like, well, if we
2:15:09
couldn't feel, we wouldn't be able to know we've got pain.
2:15:12
Yeah, but nature doesn't know that.
2:15:15
Nature doesn't care if you get stabbed by a tree branch or
2:15:18
another eight clubs you over the head, it doesn't care.
2:15:21
It's not going to send you a Christmas card.
2:15:24
So why does it give a damn what you feel?
2:15:26
I think about it. Go ahead TPR.
2:15:30
Well, this has. Been an amazing stream.
2:15:32
If I had the energy and time to go another two hours I probably
2:15:36
would, but I don't, so we're going to have to cut it off
2:15:41
here. But this was a fantastic GOD TV,
2:15:44
radio stream. A lot of great discussion, a lot
2:15:46
of great conversations. Got some activity going over on
2:15:51
Rumble even, which is unusual for me even though my Rumble
2:15:54
channel is growing. So I definitely hope that we can
2:15:58
get Judas back in in a future stream.
2:16:01
Definitely would want Daniel back in and some of the other
2:16:04
guys you invited Brett before the show that ended up not
2:16:07
coming. Hopefully we can get some of
2:16:09
them in in the future 'cause these streams be popping when we
2:16:12
get stuff like this going on and I can I recommend.
2:16:15
Something for you, TTR, you probably noticed whenever I was
2:16:18
doing the host, and I'd usually give people like a week in
2:16:22
advance, the video would be sitting up there and it would
2:16:25
say it's going to start on this day and time.
2:16:27
If you give it a few days, put it up a few days in advance, I
2:16:32
guarantee you get a lot more folks.
2:16:34
We get a lot of people who watch it later, but if we want to get
2:16:37
people during the process, we can't just drop it all on them
2:16:40
all of a sudden. Yeah, the problem with.
2:16:43
Rumble is that it doesn't allow you to schedule a stream more
2:16:46
than 48 hours in advance of the time you want to do it at.
2:16:51
Well, now you have the. Ability.
2:16:52
Because I've given you the login information.
2:16:55
You can connect it to all of our YouTube channels and everything,
2:16:58
and then at the last minute throw it to connect it there.
2:17:01
Sound good? Yeah.
2:17:02
One thing I do. Definitely need to do is make
2:17:04
more use of my community section on YouTube to advertise these
2:17:08
rumble alt text streams because that's something I have not done
2:17:12
a good job of utilizing so far sounds good.
2:17:15
Well, I enjoyed all you guys company.
2:17:18
Remember Mr. Judas, when you come in you're more than welcome
2:17:21
to participate in the conversation or throw your own
2:17:23
ideas out there. We like to hear what other
2:17:26
people think. Yes, we.
2:17:28
Do. Thanks for having me, especially
2:17:32
tonight. All right.
2:17:33
Good night. Well, that was pleasant, but.
2:17:37
For the rest of you who are still here, thanks for watching
2:17:40
and I will see you next week if you're interested on the TTOR
2:17:44
show. But As for GOD TV radio, the
2:17:47
next live stream for that will be in two weeks, which will be
2:17:51
let's see, that's January 11th according to my calendar.
2:17:55
So see you next time guys. Toodles.
2:18:09
The.