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Understanding Tarik Skubal's NanoNeedle surgery and recovery timeline · Tiger Territory: A Detroit Tigers Podcast

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  Speaker 1: And welcome into another episode of Tiger Territory, part of
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  Speaker 1: the Foul Territory Network short Tiger's podcast. I'm Karen Steckley,
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  Speaker 1: and I got with me a couple of fellas that
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  Speaker 1: are gonna make me feel dumb but also a lot smarter.
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  Speaker 1: At the end of this conversation, we got Cody Savid hey,
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  Speaker 1: you guys know him. And we got Will Carroll from
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  Speaker 1: Injury Territory. Who's gonna shine some light on the biggest
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  Speaker 1: story of the Tiger season thus far, and that is
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  Speaker 1: the Tark Schooble injury surgery special surgery. What's happening all
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  Speaker 1: this stuff? All right, I'm gonna be honest with you, guys.
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  Speaker 1: I'm just gonna get other the way. We got an expert,
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  Speaker 1: and we got a very recently well educated Cody Savenhagen
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  Speaker 1: on this subject. So you guys just go I'm just
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  Speaker 1: gonna sit here with some popcorn and try to learn
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  Speaker 1: as much as I can.
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  Speaker 2: Well, well, thanks first of all for joining us.
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  Speaker 3: It's already been kind of fascinating to follow the Schooble
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  Speaker 3: injury saga. I thought I knew all there was to
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  Speaker 3: know after talking with a couple of doctors about Arthur
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  Speaker 3: Scapi and removing loose bodies and turning out, turns out
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  Speaker 3: I didn't know the nanoscope existed, which is what doctor
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  Speaker 3: Neil Elatrosh used to remove the loose body from Schooble's elbow.
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  Speaker 3: So it's a newer instrument, a newer twist on a
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  Speaker 3: traditional arthroscopy. The thought is it can lead to some
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  Speaker 3: quicker recovery times. Well, what do you know about this nanoscope?
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  Speaker 3: What do you know about the school procedure?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, first I want to say, I'm so jealous of
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  Speaker 4: you guys. Open Your tiger is so much better than
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  Speaker 4: my little skeleton. I gotta figure this out. But let's
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  Speaker 4: talk about the nanoscope. And it's actually I know you
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  Speaker 4: talked to Arthur ex Cody. They're calling it the nano
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  Speaker 4: needle now because you know, Scott Boris is trying to
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  Speaker 4: brand it as the schoobol scope. This is more akin
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  Speaker 4: to an injection. You know, if you've ever had a shot,
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  Speaker 4: if you win and got a vaccine recently, or any
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  Speaker 4: sort of injection. It's that sort of needle. If you
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  Speaker 4: see an arthros scope, it's more like a tube kind
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  Speaker 4: of I mean, very small. But the nano needle itself
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  Speaker 4: is very very small. You're talking about the difference between
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  Speaker 4: a small portal. I mean it used to be traditional
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  Speaker 4: open surgery that where there would be an incision and
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  Speaker 4: then they would have to stitch you up. Not so scope.
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  Speaker 4: It's a much smaller portal. They still on occasion I
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  Speaker 4: have to at least tape you up a lot use
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  Speaker 4: glue now, which sounds crazy but works really well. With this.
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  Speaker 4: It's you stick it in like a needle and pull
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  Speaker 4: it out. It's the difference between stitches and a band aid.
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  Speaker 4: So the fact that they were able to go in
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  Speaker 4: there not only get the loose body and a single
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  Speaker 4: loose body versus I think Edwin Diaz had five. Another
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  Speaker 4: recent another doctor ellotrash patient. He is the Dodgers team doctor.
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  Speaker 4: So this is a situation where this is a new
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  Speaker 4: procedure for an elite athlete. This isn't a new procedure.
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  Speaker 4: Arthurax has been working on this for years. This has
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  Speaker 4: been used on other patients and other surgeries, and doctor
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  Speaker 4: Chad Lavender has been working on it for years up
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  Speaker 4: at Marshall. He's done shoulders and rotator cuffs and knees.
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  Speaker 4: So this is just the first elite usage, kind of
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  Speaker 4: like you know, Tommy John wasn't the first ligament reconstruction.
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  Speaker 4: It was the first one in an elite pitcher. And
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  Speaker 4: so you know that's stuck. Is Schooble scope gonna stick?
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  Speaker 4: I hope not, but it's tough to say. So the
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  Speaker 4: question is how much time does this possibly save? And
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  Speaker 4: I have questions about this because it should save a
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  Speaker 4: ton of time. There isn't gonna be the inflammation. There
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  Speaker 4: isn't gonna be the fluid that has to be injected,
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  Speaker 4: there isn't gonna be the inflammation response to it. So
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  Speaker 4: it should be very very quick, and with a single body,
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  Speaker 4: it should have been quicker to begin with. But baseball
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  Speaker 4: has always been very conservative. We've heard about it internal
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  Speaker 4: brace surgery for years now, and those guys aren't coming
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  Speaker 4: back faster. I've been absolutely perplexed by why Garrett Cole
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  Speaker 4: is taking so long. You know, he's at fifteen months
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  Speaker 4: now for a surgery that we've had guys come back
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  Speaker 4: in two months. So we'll see where that goes. For
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  Speaker 4: schoobl Let's see where it goes. How conservative are the
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  Speaker 4: Tigers going to be? You know, he's a guy. They
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  Speaker 4: I've got to think they know they're not going to
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  Speaker 4: re sign him, or at least it's going to be
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  Speaker 4: very very expensive. How much are they willing to push
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  Speaker 4: him the way that say? You know, if you go
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  Speaker 4: back a decade, how much the Brewers pushed CC Sabathia
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  Speaker 4: when they traded for him and knew they weren't going
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  Speaker 4: to keep him. So we'll see where this goes. And
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  Speaker 4: I do think there's incentive on both sides. Obviously, the
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  Speaker 4: Tigers want to get the most they can out of school.
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  Speaker 4: They want to contend this year. They're really going for it.
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  Speaker 4: And Schoobol wants to pitch really well so he can
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  Speaker 4: ask another team and ask all thirty teams to pay
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  Speaker 4: him a lot of money.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Again, it's it's been really interesting to follow.
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  Speaker 3: A couple of days ago, Scott Borers comes out, talks
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  Speaker 3: to ESPN, says what he says, and I think it
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  Speaker 3: was kind of easy to roll your eyes out. Okay,
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  Speaker 3: of course the agent thinks he's going to be back
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  Speaker 3: in the snap of finger Tuesday.
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  Speaker 2: I learned a lot.
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  Speaker 3: About this nano needle, and it will correct me if
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  Speaker 3: I'm wrong on anything here. But the basic way to
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  Speaker 3: put it is because it's smaller, it's a lot less invasive.
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  Speaker 3: You don't have to poke around with the scope and
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  Speaker 3: dig through tissue. When you have to do that, it's
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  Speaker 3: creating more inflammation, more bleeding. You're pumping more fluid into
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  Speaker 3: the joint to sufflate the joint and find the loose
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  Speaker 3: body and all of those things. There's a lot less
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  Speaker 3: of that with the smaller needle, and basically that means
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  Speaker 3: he doesn't have to take as much time off throwing.
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  Speaker 3: It seems like that's why the hope is that this
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  Speaker 3: is going to be a quicker recovery.
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  Speaker 4: Timeline exactly sufflate. Hey, you're getting the big work. So, uh, absolutely,
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  Speaker 4: everything you said right there is exactly. It's less invasive,
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  Speaker 4: lesson inflammation. You know, everybody here has had a shot,
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  Speaker 4: whether it's a cortisone shot, whether it's a vaccine, whether
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  Speaker 4: it's even just drying blood. A needle is a needle.
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  Speaker 4: Nobody dies, you know. Uh, you know how if the
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  Speaker 4: nurse is a little rough, but that's that's the worst
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  Speaker 4: of it. And this is much the same. Uh. You
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  Speaker 4: can go in talking to people at arth Rex, talking
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  Speaker 4: to doctors that have been testing this you know, one
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  Speaker 4: of the things I talk about is whether or not
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  Speaker 4: you could kind of replace the MRI. You know, one
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  Speaker 4: of the things was Scoogle he had the flexor surgery
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  Speaker 4: a couple of years ago. He had Tommy John back
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  Speaker 4: when he was in college. I think it was twenty eighteen.
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  Speaker 4: They could nineteen. Yeah, so when when Neil went in,
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  Speaker 4: he could just look around. They've got they've got, you know,
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  Speaker 4: a little candid photo of his UCL that they can
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  Speaker 4: pass around at the time. So I you know, everybody's
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  Speaker 4: gonna criticized Boris for being Boris, but there's a reason
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  Speaker 4: he's been so successful. This is a guy who has
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  Speaker 4: a degree in a doctorate excuse me, in pharmacology, so
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  Speaker 4: he understands his medical stuff. He's got his medical people
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  Speaker 4: over at the Boris Institute kind of guiding this thing.
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  Speaker 4: So I think he's exactly right. There is no reason
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  Speaker 4: why Terrek Scooble shouldn't be back quickly to the point
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  Speaker 4: at which Neil Latrosh this morning told me that Terrek
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  Speaker 4: Scooble was scheduled to throw today just to catch section
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  Speaker 4: out to sixty feet. I don't know if that happened.
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  Speaker 4: I wasn't able to confirm it. The Tigers did not
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  Speaker 4: respond to my inquiries, so we'll see where that goes.
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  Speaker 4: But just the idea that he could be throwing at
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  Speaker 4: this point just days past is amazing.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that would certainly be something.
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  Speaker 3: I personally, I still feel like early June or anything
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  Speaker 3: that sounds a little early to me. Just given how
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  Speaker 3: these things go, You're gonna want to get them on
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  Speaker 3: the mound.
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  Speaker 2: You're gonna want to make sure he is Trek's scouble.
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  Speaker 3: But after talking to la Trosh, after talking to people
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  Speaker 3: at arth Rex, I put a lot more legitimacy that
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  Speaker 3: this isn't going to be a three month thing. You know,
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  Speaker 3: I didn't quite feel that way just a few days ago.
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  Speaker 3: So after learning all this, I think then the question becomes, well,
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  Speaker 3: why why is not? Why are people not using the
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  Speaker 3: nano needle all the time. This is the first time
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  Speaker 3: and I believe that it's been used on a Major
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  Speaker 3: League baseball player, It's been used on some NFL players,
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  Speaker 3: It's been used in a hockey goalie. And Ela Trosh
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  Speaker 3: basically said he was kind of waiting for the right case,
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  Speaker 3: but talking with him, talking with Kylie Anderson, and who's
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  Speaker 3: a former Tigers team physician in the Lions team orthopedic surgeon.
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  Speaker 2: He said he thinks it's about to become commonplace.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree. I've been waiting on this for a
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  Speaker 4: couple of years. I've been trying to get Arthurrexy to
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  Speaker 4: talk about it more, and I'm glad they spoke to you.
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  Speaker 4: But yeah, this is something if you go back to
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  Speaker 4: I've got an episode of Injury Territory with doctor Chad
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  Speaker 4: Lavender from mentioned him from Marshall. He's been doing this.
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  Speaker 4: He does rotator cuff surgeries with these, he does knee
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  Speaker 4: surgeries with these. You know, we joke about could you
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  Speaker 4: do surgery in the blue medical tent of an NFL game?
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  Speaker 4: And I don't think it's quite there yet, but it's
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  Speaker 4: not far off. So I think this is going to
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  Speaker 4: be a huge, huge thing where instead of sending somebody
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  Speaker 4: for an MRI, you send them into a back room,
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  Speaker 4: put the nano needle in and really take a look
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  Speaker 4: at the UCL rather than you know, hoping you're going
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  Speaker 4: to get the right angle in an MRI. So I
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  Speaker 4: think I think Alatrosh was really cherry pickings. Sounds negative.
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  Speaker 4: I think I think he was waiting for just the
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  Speaker 4: right one one that they thought had a limited number,
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  Speaker 4: a small enough loose body chip that you could actually
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  Speaker 4: pull out without having to crunch it up too much.
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  Speaker 4: And he found it, and you know, you take the
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  Speaker 4: opportunities where they come, you know. I think we're going
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  Speaker 4: to see this in more situations. Chips it's gonna be used, Shoulders,
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  Speaker 4: it's gonna be used. I think there's gonna be other
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  Speaker 4: elbow things. I think the nana needle is going to
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  Speaker 4: take over the way the arthroscope did in the mid eighties.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's kind of exactly what Kyle Anderson told me.
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  Speaker 3: I think the other thing to be clear about will
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  Speaker 3: what would you know? I've had people tell me, well,
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  Speaker 3: I don't know if I want an experimental procedure being
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  Speaker 3: done on my ace, Like, I don't think it's actually
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  Speaker 3: an experimental procedure.
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  Speaker 2: How would you frame that?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, Look, bone ships, to begin with, are about the
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  Speaker 4: most simple surgery that can possibility. I'm not a doctor,
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  Speaker 4: but when you're reaching in and pulling out a little
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  Speaker 4: bone chip, it's not a kin to playing operation when
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  Speaker 4: you were a kid. You don't want his nose to
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  Speaker 4: light up. But that's really all you know, find the bone,
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  Speaker 4: find the little piece, pull it out, find little piece,
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  Speaker 4: pull it out, clean things out, wash the place, get out.
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  Speaker 4: And that's really what the surgery is. It's not complex.
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  Speaker 4: I'm glad. Yeah, qualified people are doing it, and there's
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  Speaker 4: a reason everybody goes to Neil. But experimental, No, this
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  Speaker 4: is something that there's there's study after study. Work has
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  Speaker 4: been done by Arthur Rex. I know there's similar devices.
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  Speaker 4: I don't think nearly as small or nearly as clear.
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  Speaker 4: You know, we're on nano needle two point zero HD.
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  Speaker 4: You know it sounds like a TV they showed me
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  Speaker 4: at Best Buy, but this is not experiment.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: One more thing, doctor Elatosh told me. It was like
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  Speaker 3: there's no real downside. For some reason, if they went
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  Speaker 3: in with the nano'needle and couldn't find the loose body
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  Speaker 3: or whatever reason, they needed the bigger tool, all they
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  Speaker 3: would do is go to the traditional tool, which might
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  Speaker 3: mean going to the traditional timeline. But like, there's no
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  Speaker 3: there was no added risk according to doctor Alatosh, by
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  Speaker 3: using the nano'needle.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, and this is the same exact thing as an
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  Speaker 4: Arthur's scope. There are times that surgeons will go in
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  Speaker 4: use an Arthur's scope and say, you know what, I'm
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  Speaker 4: ann them up. I need more room, I need to
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  Speaker 4: see this. So this is the same exact thing, and
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  Speaker 4: I think that's going to be the path? Is it
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  Speaker 4: going to be? Can I use the needle? Can I
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  Speaker 4: do it with artistic go? Do I have to open
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  Speaker 4: this guy up? And we're gonna have fewer and fewer
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  Speaker 4: of those things where you have to because this technology
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  Speaker 4: is it's still new, not experimental, but new, and sports
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  Speaker 4: tends to be either the first or the last with things,
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  Speaker 4: and in this case, they were closer to the end.
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  Speaker 4: This has been This has been used pretty extensively in
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  Speaker 4: a lot of places. My question now is baseball is
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  Speaker 4: so risk averse, so risk averse that even if you
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  Speaker 4: can bring somebody back faster, do you again? I think
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  Speaker 4: Google might be the perfect one because of the unique circumstance.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and I have a strong feeling if he comes back,
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  Speaker 3: let's say anytime before two months, a lot of other
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  Speaker 3: people are gonna want to start using this. Well, thanks
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  Speaker 3: so much for your time. We could keep you and
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  Speaker 3: talk about all the other Tigers injuries for an hour,
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  Speaker 3: but it's like at night before we let you go.
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  Speaker 3: Is there anything else we should know? Anything else you'd
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  Speaker 3: like to touch on.
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  Speaker 4: No, I think you covered all of it. You know,
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  Speaker 4: thanks for having me on. If we want to get
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  Speaker 4: back and talk about my god, that extensive list of
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  Speaker 4: Tiger's injuries right now, they're keeping me in business. Yeah exactly.
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  Speaker 2: The font is too small because of how long it goes.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, quick, Well where gonna people have flying gyms?
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  Speaker 4: You can find me an injury territory. We'll be up tomorrow.
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  Speaker 4: We're all talk more extensively about schoolbl and then I
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  Speaker 4: write it under the knife dot substack dot com. I've
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  Speaker 4: been doing this for twenty plus years and I'm excited
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  Speaker 4: to see something new in the world.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, that was a really good discussion with Will
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  Speaker 1: guys kind of touched on this, but I kind of
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  Speaker 1: wanted to summarize it like this way in my mind
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  Speaker 1: that there were like with someone like schoolbl who is
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  Speaker 1: on a team that's trying to contend, which Tigers are
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  Speaker 1: might not have been able to tell that based on
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  Speaker 1: some of the Tuesday Night, but you know it's a
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  Speaker 1: team that is trying to contend, and Andre school is
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  Speaker 1: trying to do big things money wise with his next contract,
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  Speaker 1: and Scott Boris wants his name attached to that. There's
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  Speaker 1: a lot of incentives, incentives I should say to play
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  Speaker 1: this slow, to make sure you dot every te and
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  Speaker 3: Uh as I struggle to get my mic set up.
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  Speaker 1: There's a live incentive to do to make sure that
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  Speaker 1: everything is like one hundred and ten percent, which I
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  Speaker 1: know as a journalist you don't believe in, but one
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  Speaker 1: hundred and ten percent like on the up and up
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  Speaker 1: and the fact that either this is organization led and
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  Speaker 1: Schooble slash Boris co signed or Boris slash Schoogle led
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  Speaker 1: and organization co sign means that even though it's new
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  Speaker 1: ish whatever procedure, it's not experimental.
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  Speaker 5: This is something that everybody was gung ho.
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  Speaker 1: For and and feels like that should remove any sort
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  Speaker 1: of trepidation fans could could or maybe do have about
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  Speaker 1: you know, their ace kind of going through this.
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  Speaker 5: You know, does that make sense?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure. I mean I definitely think it was
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  Speaker 3: probably Boris Lad. He's got a long relationship with with
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  Speaker 3: Neil Latrosh. The Tigers in recent years have more often
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  Speaker 3: used Keith Meister for surgeries. I don't know how much
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  Speaker 3: Arthur scopy Meister does, but look, I think this was
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  Speaker 3: Boris Lad. And say what you want about Boris Like
• 17:02
  Speaker 3: Boris Court treats its players very well. That's one thing
• 17:05
  Speaker 3: I've talked about a lot, Like the little like they
• 17:07
  Speaker 3: have their own scouting department, they have medical advisors, they
• 17:11
  Speaker 3: help players with their taxes, like there is a robust
• 17:14
  Speaker 3: support system. And there's a reason that people want Scott
• 17:18
  Speaker 3: Boris to represent them. In this case, it might just
• 17:22
  Speaker 3: get Trek Scuogel back on the field sooner than first expected.
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and again like it and you and with this
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: kind of infrastructure, and with this kind of like I
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: guess you would maybe call it outside the box, thinking
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: like it's another example of why like someone like school
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: is going to be loyal to someone like Boris, right,
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: So there's another.
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: In elatrosh too. One thing I heard like in reporting
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: this was like everyone knows about this tool, not all
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: surgeons are using it, largely because they're getting good results
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: with what they've done for the past twenty thirty forty years,
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: Like why would you change that if you know that works.
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: Alatrash is the best surgeon in the world. You could
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: argue that gives him a certain degree of freedom, or
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: you could argue that could give him more incentive to
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: just do what he's been doing for forever. But if
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: he's willing to adapt, if he's willing to to use
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: something new and different and perhaps better, then that's a
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: credit to him.
• 18:24
  Speaker 5: All right.
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: So for the for the rest of this episode, Cody,
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: I kind of wanted to to figure out, like if
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: the Tigers survived this injury spell and that's kind of
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: putting it mildly, and maybe we could put that that
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: graphic back up there just to kind of illustrate, like, well,
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: I took.
• 18:43
  Speaker 5: It off already.
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: I didn't want to look at it anymore. I don't
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: have it loaded anymore.
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: You know that's fine too. It's a it's a long
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: list in case, in case people aren't aware. In order
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: to survive something like this, you're gonna have to have
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: some guy step.
• 19:00
  Speaker 5: And a certain aspect.
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: You're gonna have to have some dudes like kind of
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: be like play some hero ball, still you a game?
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: We saw Gage Workman do that on Sunday. Obviously had
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: the throwing air today and it's obviously it's not why
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: they lost. But just like just for the sake of
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: full disclosure, but you're gonna need some moments. You need
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: some guys to step up. So I kind of wanted
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: to just kind of go through the candidates here and
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: maybe if we wanted to tally it, be like, on
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: a scale of one to five, how much do the
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: Tigers need this guy to kind of be a hero?
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: You know, so like first, first one and fitting lead batting,
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: lead off, and perhaps unfair Kevin mcgonagal, like like Kevin mcgonagal,
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, dude, but like you're a great player and
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: you have a great contract, so it might be like
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: a five out of five. You need McGonagall like not
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: to have like a May slump or a June slump
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: or however much, or at least tempe it as best
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: you can.
• 19:57
  Speaker 5: He has had some cool times already.
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: Might be a five for me, Cody, which I feel
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: bad saying, but that's kind of where we're at.
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: I think it's both five out of five unfair and
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: five out of five pretty true. It's not fair to
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: place the weight of the team on the shoulders of
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: a rookie, and yet we've talked about it. They didn't
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: sign a bat this offseason. It's kind of looked like
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: they added their big bat in a rookie named Kevin McGonagall,
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: and he has mostly played to that caliber. He has
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: added a whole other dimension at the top of the
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: order for this team. Now, as he cools off a
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: little bit, it's like, Okay, how does he rebound? Does
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: he fall into a rookie loll or does he continue
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: to just look like he never fails like he did
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: for about six plus weeks in a row dating back
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: to spring training. I don't know, man, I don't know's
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: it's asking a lot, but this kid is really good,
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: and the Tigers are a much better team with him producing,
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: having quality at bat, really doing incredible things atop the order.
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: The best version of this Tigers team has Kevin McGonagall
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: winning Rookie of the Year. I don't think there's any
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: doubt about that.
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: Today on Tuesday, he was two for three. He had
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: a walk in a strikeout. That's a I mean, no
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: extra bases in there, but that's a Kevin McGonagall game.
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: He also had a great defensive play as well at shortstop,
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: like that, you know, lost in the sauce of what
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: was kind of an ugly game, kind of have a
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: classic Ken McGonagall game. So so he's he's gonna be okay, folks.
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: It's sort of around the same thought process is like
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: special Torklsen.
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: Like.
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: It's a it's a dude that like, you're gonna be
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: playing first base nearly every day. You've got thirty run
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: thirty home run power in that bat. You kind of
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: need to get yourself another kind of You don't have
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: to hit a home run in five straight, but you
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: kind of need probably another week where he hits where
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: he pops three or four and and and you can
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: win a series. Or two in this rough stretch, because
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: you know you're a one one guy. This is this
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: is you haven't necessarily had to be a one one
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: guy as as the team has risen, you know, in
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: terms of overall success.
• 22:11
  Speaker 5: But now they kind of need you. So I'm gonna
• 22:12
  Speaker 5: put that out of four. Maybe it's too much.
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know where I put that one. I mean,
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: maybe a three. It'd be nice. Like we were talking
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: about a couple of weeks ago, Oh, can Twerk stay hot?
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: Can he have the best season of his career? He's
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: since kind of cooled back down. He's still getting some
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: hits here and there, but yeah, he continues to be
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: a tough player to kind of dissect. He's been a
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: little bit of boomer boss. You're right, he's gonna have
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: another week where he goes off. Right, He's gonna hit
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: a lot of home runs this year. I have little
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: doubt about that. You would just like to see the consistency,
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: the back quality be a little better day to day,
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: game to game. You want this guy's own base percentage,
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: I would say three point thirty at the minimum, and
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: he just hasn't quite been that player consistently through the
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: course of his major league career. If he could tap
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: into that this summer man be a huge lift for
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: for a team that can need it.
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: Another one that you're kind of like, this is your
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: role and we and you know, if you're a j
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: hnches like we need you to like do the best
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: of the fullest extent of this role is cold Keith.
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: Cold Keith, who did have a double today, And like,
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: but like Cold Keith's a guy that, like on a
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: lot of days is gonna d h and he's gonna
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: bat in the middle of the order, and if it's
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: a lefty starter on the mound, he's gonna be one
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: of the first, especially with Carpenter hurt right now, he's
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: gonna be one of the first, if not the first,
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: uh you know, call from from Skip to come in
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: when when when the bullpen starts. So like basically cold
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: Keith is gonna be put in like we need you
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: situations pretty much every day, pretty much every day.
• 23:48
  Speaker 5: So like I give that one. I'll give that one
• 23:50
  Speaker 5: a three and.
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: A half because like, I don't think they're asking him
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: to do more than he's cable of. He is batting
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: three thirteen. You know, he had the double today, seven
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: thirty five OPS, so they're.
• 23:59
  Speaker 5: Not go ask him to do any more. But in
• 24:01
  Speaker 5: terms of need, so it's high need.
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: It's talking about difficult players to dissect. With a three
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: thirteen average, you think he would have higher than a
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: seven thirty five OPS, but he doesn't. Still waiting on
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: that first home run, and I've kind of, you know,
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: we've even seen the bat speed go back down a
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: little bit. I've had thoughts like, well, if I were
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: the hitting coach, like, what would you tell this kid?
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: He's mostly you know, he's sitting the ball harder he's
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: in three thirteen. I think I would say, dude, just
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: don't mess with anything. Don't let this home run thing
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: get in your head. But at the same time, Cole
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: Keith is a big, strong guy. Through the first couple
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: of years of his career, he's like, Okay, it'd be
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: nice to see him pull the ball in the air,
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: tap into that pull side power a little bit without
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: completely coming out of his approach. So far this year,
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: he's done a lot of the things we wanted to see,
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: which is just hit. But he's not hitting for power
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: and to be the best version of himself. He asked
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: it for power. And you could just kind of go
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: down a million rabbit holes from there. I think if
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: Cole Keith keeps hitting, some home runs are gonna come.
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: And if that happens, man, what a big boost it
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: could be for the Tigers.
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: Speaking of hitting for power, next guy on the list
• 25:17
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• 25:58
  Speaker 1: at thirty seven home runs last season, has I hit
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: a home run since April twenty ninth, So like, I
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: might just keep doing him until he hits a home
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: run because I kind of feel like he's due, just
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: for perspective, so he has four this year or so
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: far this season. He hit number today is May twelfth.
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: He hit number five on April twenty eighth last year,
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: so he's obviously behind pace or whatever. So I but
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: that's not to say he's not having a good year,
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: I would argue, And I don't know, do you agree
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: with me on this? Like we might be seeing like
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: pretty close ish to the best dish version of Riley
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: Green at the plate, like he has on Bait Street
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: going he's three fifteen eight ninety seven ops. His sprint
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: speed is up. I don't know if people are paying
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: attention to this, like a lot to like about Riley Green.
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: The home run tally's just a little bit behind. But
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: but I mean five out of five, needs you, buddy,
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: Riley Green.
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: Oh, we really haven't talked about Riley Green enough. He's
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: been one of the best hitters in all of baseball
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: this season and especially you know you take out the
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: first what two series of the year. He's been probably
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: a top five hitter in baseball. He's really not getting
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: enough credit for that, maybe because it's not always glamorous,
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: maybe because the power isn't there as much. Yet again,
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: I wouldn't worry about that I'd say, rightly, keep doing
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: what you're doing. Your weather's gonna warm up, You're gonna
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: finish with plenty of homers. I continue to be amazed.
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: He's having good at bats more often than not. He's
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: controlling the strike zone. He is all that talk of
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: the offseason like, well, is he gonna change his approach?
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: Is he gonna change his swing? Like is he gonna
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: do this? Is he gonna do that? He's come out
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: and done. I think everything you could possibly want. He
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: looks like a complete, well rounded hitter right now. I'm
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: sure there will be another roll or two throughout the
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: course of the season. He's been on fire and you
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: can't keep that up forever. But if just this profile
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: of like a quality at bat, not an automatic strikeout,
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: not chasing stuff in the dirt, if that can continue,
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: then he is He's going to go to his third
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: All Star Game. He's going to I don't know, maybe
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: he can claw back into that like MVP vote getter
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: caliber that given the defensive decline, the speed decline, I'd
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: kind of written off a little bit. Right now, he's
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: playing like a guy who could net MVP votes if
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: he keeps this up. Oh, Where would this team be
• 28:19
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• 29:02
  Speaker 1: Right, another one, Cody that I mean, I have to
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: be fair here and give him a higher I said,
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: we got to talk about Dylan Dingler like a star.
• 29:08
  Speaker 5: And and in terms of like need you.
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: Know, need hitt and you know to his credit at
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: home run today, you know, and maybe that kind of
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: gets the back going a little bit. He's his numbers
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: have declined below what they normally are, to thirty four,
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: and you know with the seven sixty six ops, like
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: we know there's more in that bat, you know, capability,
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: but like leading the staff gotta kind of pull a
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: little bit more in the lineup.
• 29:33
  Speaker 5: I'm gonna give him a four.
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: Uh, it's he was so good out of the gate
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: man that that was almost unfair, like completely reframing expectations
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: for the caliber of hitter he could be. Again, I'm
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: not worried about Dylan Dingler, even though he's cooled off
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: some him And if he hits two thirty with power
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: and elite defense, I would still take that all day
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: and he would still be in contention to be an
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: all star catcher. But the version of Dingler that's in
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: two eighty to three hundred with power with elite defense,
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: that's like we saw just enough of that to like,
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: really what the taste buds and be like, okay, is
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: there more where that came from? Because that would certainly
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: be something, and again that would he would be another
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: legitimate middle of the order bat. That's probably unfair to
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: expect that, especially from a guy who has to get
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: behind the plate every day, a position that just takes
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: too much toll on your body. But Tiger's fans should
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: appreciate Dylan Dingler. They have one of the best catchers
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: here in baseball.
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: I think it would be.
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna put almost the pressure lower on him because
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: this is a guy who goes out and does his
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: job and'd be really helpful if some others would step
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: up around him and that way he doesn't have to
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: be expected to do superhuman things.
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'll group these guys together because I look
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: at him similarly. Also up the middle athletes a history
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: and Matt Vierling who you know, Matt, to his credit,
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: has you know, made some nice catches in center field
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: as he's kind of gotten the full time gig there.
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: McKinstry just came back obviously from his injury. But those
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: are kind of guys that you rely on to kind
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: of steal you a game, get taking the extra base
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: and and you know, having a little bit of pop
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: in the bat, and uh, like, I'll give them, I'll
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: give them a I'll give them a three because it
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: is important. But you're you also don't want to ask
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: too much of them. But but but they but you
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: need these guys to kind of do like the you know,
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: to do the exciting stuff I guess on occasion, to survive.
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: I almost wonder if those are your your real fives.
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: I mean, those guys are the Tigers in a way.
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, you got Trek Skougel and these guys
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: you need to get back. But uh, the biggest, the
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: single biggest difference from let's say last year's Tigers to
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: the twenty twenty two, twenty twenty three Tigers, it was
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: just how you got production from all up and down
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: the roster. I always think back to several years ago
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: when someone with the team said was like, where are
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: our fifties? And Zach McKinstry and Matt Vierling in theory,
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: should be fifties. You're slightly above average major league players,
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: role players who are good and productive and contribute. Those
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: are the guys that can form the backbone of good teams.
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: Mckinsrey obviously did it for a long stretch last year
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: and was hurt this year. Vierling like he was hurt.
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: He hasn't really gotten going quite yet this year.
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: Those guys can be difference makers without a doubt, and
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: they don't necessarily have to be All stars, even though
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: mckinsrey hasn't a game under his belt now. They don't
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: necessarily have to get like the accolades they don't have
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: to do out of this world things. But you need
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: them to be good. You needed them to be productive,
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: you need them to be playable. The Tigers are a
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: lot better when they have guys like that going.
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: Is there any debating that fromber And and Flaherty are
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: fives on this scale.
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: I think every pitcher is a five. For as much
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: as we just obsessed over hitters. I think this team's
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: going to go as far as it's pitching takes them.
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: I think the hitting is good. I don't know if
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: it's going to be great, Like I don't know if
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: Riley Green does this, Dylan Dingler does what he could.
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: From mcgonaghal, but like, pitching needs to be this team's strength,
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: it hasn't been. Now the injuries have piled up, you
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: could be certainly in some trouble Frombert yeah, man, we'll
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: see how he responds. Like does that suspension change things?
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: Maybe internally, maybe the vibe it does, But actually there's
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: a long track record of this guy just going out
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: and doing his job, performing despite past controversies or even
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: past failures on the mound. I think he's pretty good
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: at getting back on the bump and taking care of business.
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: I would hope that will be the case again here
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: and then Flarity the constant and Enigma had a good start.
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: He to be honest, I wasn't fully locked in on
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: on this Mets game. I was talking to Neil L.
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: Latrosh and then banging out an article for you guys.
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: But you know, sounded like it was back to kind
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: of a typical Jack start where it didn't totally blow
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: up and he wasn't pitch efficient, like things weren't good
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: like yeah, so.
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, typical Jack start. That is a good way
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: to summarize it. Uh, and in which.
• 34:27
  Speaker 5: You know starters. You know a lot of these guys
• 34:30
  Speaker 5: are stars.
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: We're talking about this guy's technically not a starter, but
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: like might as well be as Jami Jones, who just
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: the nature of his role is the is the is
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: the microscope.
• 34:40
  Speaker 5: We've talked about it before.
• 34:42
  Speaker 4: Uh.
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: You know, anytime there's a right hander in triple A
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: who's hitting well, like it's you know there the fans
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: are going to have some heat here. We know that
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: how the Tigers feel about Jamai but like look similar
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: to Colt Keith, which is funny because they pinch it
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: for each other quite frequently, but similar to well Keith,
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: where it's like you're gonna be in this role that
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: it kind of demands that you perform, and you know,
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: Jami Yverdsworth, it's five seventy eight, ohps, like kind of
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: need that. I'm gonna give that a four because he
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: is so vital to what the Tigers do.
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's another interesting one. I think you could say, like, well,
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: he can't be a four or five for the simple
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: reason he's a weak side platoon player. He's just not
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: going to get that many at bats. Therefore, is he
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: really one of the team's most important players? You could
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: also argue, well, I we know how this goes. Almost
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: all of his at bats are either against nasty lefties
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: or in the biggest moments of games. So a good
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: way to add a couple of wins to your win
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: total is a couple of Jami Jones pinch hit homers.
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know, And it might take him a
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: while for some of those numbers to correct. He got
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: off to the slow start. He's not gonna be playing
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: a ton a ton. We have seen him play in
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: the field so much proof it's not been pretty. Yeah,
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: I don't know what number to put on it. I'd
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: probably just put it a three. I guess go down
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: the middle. But you certainly feel a lot good about
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: your bench. You certainly certainly feel a lot better late
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: in games when Jami Jones is swinging a hot bat.
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna say Wentzel Perez is a two overall because
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: we kind of understand what he is when he's good.
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: But it's a five that you need to correct old
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: mishaps in the field when you're playing damn near every day.
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: That that's That's kind of what I have to say
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: about that. And same thing with defense overall. And you know, Gauge,
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: I don't want to like, you know, crush him too much.
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: You'd have a double today, but it was just, you know,
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: it was a really bad play there at third base
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: to try to potentially get an ending ending, inning ending
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: double play. Uh, you know, like to see I like
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: what he's doing at the play. I like to see
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: him again get a little bit more run. But it's
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: it's a again, It's baseball is not fair, Cody. So,
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: like you, how over long your opportunity is, That's how
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: long your opportunity is. That's just as Jase Young, who
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: you know, had a home run today. Itsledo, but like
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: nothing's guaranteed, man, so every opportunity is crucial. And and
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: Perez and Gage to a lesser extent kind of fall
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: into that category two where it's like some of these
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: guys like you just need them not to sink you more.
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: I guess is maybe like a good way to put
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: it for some of those guys who are going to
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: be getting more playing time than maybe they otherwise would.
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: Maybe everyone's a five when the injured list is this long,
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: Maybe just everyone's a five, and you understand they're not
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: all going to meet that expectation, but you need a
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: few of them too, write it doesn't really matter who.
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: You just have to have to have someone to step
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: up and be able to carry the load for a
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: little bit, certainly until you get Schooble and Mize and
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: Labor and maybe even hobbyback, but even for the rest
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: of the season. Like every good team has a few surprises,
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: And who are the surprises so far on this year's Tigers.
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: I don't no one really jumps to mind, other than
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: maybe McGonagall, you know, meeting kind of the highest version
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: of expectations so far.
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and again, the past two Tigers teams have definitely
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: had the surprises, you know, like that's been part of
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: that's been part of the makeup of the squad, the magic,
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: I guess if you would. And obviously when you're what
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: nineteen and twenty three, it's not allowed of magic to
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: be found. So so yeah, I hope you guys enjoyed
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: our talk with Will Carroll and again follow him along
• 38:37
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• 38:44
  Speaker 1: we didn't obviously talk a whole bunch about you know,
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: the game on Tuesday night. We'll recap the series Thursday.
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: For your Friday episode is to see what where the
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: Tigers are at heading into rivalry weekend home stand against Toronto,
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: So we'll see someone's gotta be a hero or else.
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: This is gonna be a very long summer. Anything else, Cody,
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: before we jet at you.
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: No, I'm glad I didn't watch the entirety of that
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: game as closely as I normally do. Sounds like it
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: was a miserable experience.
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: I can't say it was the most fun I ever
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: had in my life. Watching a baseball game. All right,
• 39:20
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• 39:21
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• 39:24
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• 39:34
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• 39:34
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• 39:37
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