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IFH 840: Finding Your Way into Film Without Film School with David Powers · Indie Film Hustle® - A Filmmaking Podcast

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  Speaker 2: host Dave Bullis.
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  Speaker 4: My next guest is a filmmaker. He's working pro wrestlag.
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  Speaker 4: Where have you all do? A Warrior again? I feel
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  Speaker 4: like I just said this? And he's also a staffer
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  Speaker 4: at the New York Asian Film Festival. He actually hosted
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  Speaker 4: his own podcast as well, called The Turnbuckle Throwbacks with
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  Speaker 4: guests David Powers. So Dave, thanks off for coming on
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  Speaker 4: the podcast.
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  Speaker 5: Thank you for having me. Dave.
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  Speaker 4: No, it's been quite an eventful day. I may have acted.
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  Speaker 5: An understatement after that movie.
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  Speaker 4: I might have accidentally shown you a gay porn and
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  Speaker 4: I'm sorry, Bigorn zero. Well, in the in my defense,
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  Speaker 4: I didn't think dB Cooper versus Bigfoot was going to
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  Speaker 4: be a euphism for a gay porn.
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  Speaker 5: Well, first of all, I didn't know who dB Cooper
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  Speaker 5: was or is, and that you know, that title doesn't
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  Speaker 5: really like give away, like, hey, this is gonna be
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  Speaker 5: like the most awkward movie.
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  Speaker 4: One of the most awkward movies ever made. Yeah, it
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  Speaker 4: was pretty awkward. There was no story, and there was
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  Speaker 4: a bunch of shirtless guys in the woods just kind
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  Speaker 4: of walking around.
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  Speaker 5: Well, you know, like I was telling you, like, oh,
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  Speaker 5: you know, this movie seems like it's like, you know,
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  Speaker 5: go in the same direction as like a lot of
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  Speaker 5: other like you know, crappy be movies like bird Demic,
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  Speaker 5: you know, where there's like a just like a driving
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  Speaker 5: scene that's like in real time. You know, guy, they're
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  Speaker 5: filming like every single turn the car's making, and you
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  Speaker 5: know there's this like shirtless dude in the woods just
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  Speaker 5: walking around and it's like eighteen minutes later, finally arrives
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  Speaker 5: to a house and then like other shirtless dudes come
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  Speaker 5: out of the house and invite him in. It's and
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  Speaker 5: it's just kind of like like, oh, you know, that's
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  Speaker 5: that's really like stupid and funny. And then it just
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  Speaker 5: continues and there's no story. And I even told you
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  Speaker 5: to fast forward several times, and it just keeps getting awkward.
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  Speaker 4: We fast forward if they're twenty minutes, and you know,
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  Speaker 4: it's funny too. The when when all those guys were
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  Speaker 4: coming out of the house, it was like a clown car.
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  Speaker 4: It was like more shirtless guys can fit in his house. Uh,
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  Speaker 4: it was just unbelievable that that that somebody actually thought
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  Speaker 4: that was gonna be a passable movie. I actually wonder
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  Speaker 4: how this is actually being marketed.
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  Speaker 5: And or if it's even being marketed.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly.
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  Speaker 5: Well, I'm sure it's being marketed somewhere, but not to
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  Speaker 5: anything that we would actually look at, because well, first
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  Speaker 5: of all, there's like Bigfoot is just like walking, you know,
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  Speaker 5: stalking through the woods, and you know there's these shirtless dudes.
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  Speaker 5: You know, even they're interacting with one another awkwardly, having
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  Speaker 5: like these conversations that just like they're not conversations, and
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  Speaker 5: it's just big bigfoot, you know, you know, peeking into
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  Speaker 5: their house. So it's like bigfoot of a pervert to like,
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  Speaker 5: what's They're on the second floor and he's peaking into
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  Speaker 5: the windows. So he's up on his ladder.
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  Speaker 4: He's like on the side of the house like clutching
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  Speaker 4: on or hanging with It's almost like an animal house.
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  Speaker 4: When when they got the ladder looked at the girls, but.
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  Speaker 5: It's Bigfoot looking at a bunch of shirtless dudes exactly
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  Speaker 5: that are continuously changing from shorts to pants in public
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  Speaker 5: or in the house. Yes, lots of toy gunplay, lots
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  Speaker 5: of them in the in the looking in the mirror,
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  Speaker 5: lots of walking, lots of nothing. This supposed to be
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  Speaker 5: like a turkey shoe going on, And like they find
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  Speaker 5: bones in the woods and it looks like somebody's like
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  Speaker 5: leftover KFC or Popeyes or something.
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  Speaker 4: And for all the people who got killed, the gore
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  Speaker 4: level was like less than one.
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  Speaker 5: There's no gore. Yeah, Like he's like slashing somebody in
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  Speaker 5: the face and they make like a kind of like
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  Speaker 5: there's like a folly sound for like face slashing, and
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  Speaker 5: it's just like a guy falling back into the wood
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  Speaker 5: back into like a pool with like no blood and
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  Speaker 5: he's dead.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, sounds about right.
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  Speaker 5: So what would you give dB Cooper versus Bake phont
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  Speaker 5: on a scale of one to a million? God like
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  Speaker 5: negative a million, negative a million, Yeah, I would say
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  Speaker 5: at least probably negative nine hundred and ninety. No, there's
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  Speaker 5: like lots of like these like lost films, you know,
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  Speaker 5: all over the world, and you know they're there's people
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  Speaker 5: trying to find you know, was it laun Cheney's you know,
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  Speaker 5: London at midnight? Like it's only stills of it, and
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  Speaker 5: you know, imagine you can just find whatever computer this
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  Speaker 5: guy has this shitty movie on and just delete it.
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  Speaker 5: So then it's like completely lost.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it's completely lost forever. Yeah. So let's never
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  Speaker 4: talk about dB Cooper versus Bigfoot. Uh yeah, somebody asks
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  Speaker 4: you've never seen it?
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  Speaker 5: You know. There's just like some things that you can't unsee.
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  Speaker 5: Let's hopefully like I get hit by something very hard
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  Speaker 5: and forget that I saw this movie.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, we'll never speak about again. So Dave, so that
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  Speaker 4: we've been friends for a while, Yes, and we actually
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  Speaker 4: met through social media. Yes, And now you're here in
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  Speaker 4: in Cassaday Bullis for the podcast. Yes, I wanted to
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  Speaker 4: ask before we get to how we met and everything else,
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  Speaker 4: well even though I just told the story, but how
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  Speaker 4: we met through social media? Yes, But you know it's
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  Speaker 4: a question I always ask, and I always want it
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  Speaker 4: to the start of this and to always get to
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  Speaker 4: the start of when you sort of got bit by
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  Speaker 4: all of this. So you were in college correct? Did
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  Speaker 4: you go to college for for film?
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  Speaker 5: Initially I was going for for business and marketing, and
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  Speaker 5: you know, there's just got to a point where, you know,
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  Speaker 5: just I didn't know where any of it was going.
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  Speaker 5: You know, I had no you know, particular you know,
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  Speaker 5: endgame or goal or anything in mind. And it was
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  Speaker 5: just like a really frustrating experience, like for a lot
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  Speaker 5: of people. And I always always want to work in
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  Speaker 5: like entertainment, and like when I was younger, I've always
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  Speaker 5: been a big pro wrestling fan.
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  Speaker 4: As you know. Oh yeah, I know that.
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  Speaker 5: You know you're wearing your Ultimate Warrior shirt. I'm wearing
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  Speaker 5: my Rick Martell shirt.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, seriously, I wore this Ultimate Warrior shirt for you. Yes,
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  Speaker 4: you run the stud plexus. But we'll get to all that.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, just but which is another like like an ominous
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  Speaker 5: like perverted like name and it's not. We'll well, maybe
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  Speaker 5: we could talk about that later. I just show like
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  Speaker 5: bad wrestling videos and stuff like on Facebook through secret
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  Speaker 5: group and but anyway, that's neither here nor there. But
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  Speaker 5: you know, I was interested in in film and entertainment
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  Speaker 5: and stuff like that because you know, you're just growing
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  Speaker 5: up like watching pro wrestling, and you know, I got
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  Speaker 5: into movies through watching a lot of horror movies like
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  Speaker 5: Nightmare on Elm Street, like my parents would just you know,
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  Speaker 5: watch Freddy Krueger and have fun, kid and yeah, and
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  Speaker 5: and you know getting in actually like in high school,
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  Speaker 5: like I was like a huge fan of black exploitation movies. Yeah,
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  Speaker 5: Like I remember seeing a clip of doll Might the
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  Speaker 5: movie The Great White Hype, and it's such like a
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  Speaker 5: like a weird movie to kind of be introduced to something.
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  Speaker 5: But I remember like see, actually, no, that wasn't even
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  Speaker 5: in high school. That was like before high school, like
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  Speaker 5: junior high or something like that. When I first saw Dolemight,
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  Speaker 5: and I was so enamored by like the horrible karate
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  Speaker 5: fro from the this quick clip of Dolemite in The
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  Speaker 5: Great White Hype.
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  Speaker 4: I'm like I have to.
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  Speaker 5: See this movie. This is like like he's Rudy Ray Moore,
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  Speaker 5: you know, God Rest the soul. Like he's you know,
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  Speaker 5: trying like he's not like in the best shape ever
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  Speaker 5: and trying to lift his leg to do a karate kick,
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  Speaker 5: not making any contact with this guy and he, you know,
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  Speaker 5: it's like a thug falling into like a trunk of
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  Speaker 5: a car. I'm like, like, even as a kid, I
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  Speaker 5: was like like, I know this is not good, but
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  Speaker 5: it's funny. Yeah, And I want to know, like what,
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  Speaker 5: you know, what movie is this? And like how did
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  Speaker 5: how was this even made?
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  Speaker 4: Who created it? And I don't know.
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  Speaker 5: Just like that, that curiosity kind of you know, lingered on.
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  Speaker 4: And uh.
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  Speaker 5: Back in twenty ten, I got to go to my
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  Speaker 5: first ever New York Asian Film Festival, which I currently
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  Speaker 5: work for.
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  Speaker 5: And uh, just watching some of these movies, like some
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  Speaker 5: of the genre movies, some of the rom coms, and
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  Speaker 5: like I was being exposed to a lot of different
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  Speaker 5: like stuff that I never previously saw, and it just
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  Speaker 5: bugged the hell out of me, Like how the hell
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  Speaker 5: do they make this like from like the simplest ones
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  Speaker 5: the more complicated ones, like I know, you know, from
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  Speaker 5: what little I knew about like entertainment and you know, filmmaking,
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  Speaker 5: Like I know there's a camera. I know that there's
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  Speaker 5: like a bunch of people behind the camera, But what
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  Speaker 5: the hell are they doing?
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  Speaker 4: What are they all doing? Like when you watch like.
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  Speaker 5: A TV show or a movie that has like a
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  Speaker 5: like a film element to it, like there's somebody filming
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  Speaker 5: a movie, like you always see like people walking back
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  Speaker 5: and forth, and you know they're moving stuff and carrying stuff,
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  Speaker 5: and it's just kind of like what are they all doing?
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  Speaker 5: And you know, actually from attending the New York Asian
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  Speaker 5: Film Festival like that curiosity just like like I was like, okay,
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  Speaker 5: I have to.
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  Speaker 4: Figure this out.
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  Speaker 5: And actually, six months later, like I actually ended up
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  Speaker 5: on a film set. And once once I got on,
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  Speaker 5: it was just like a like a friend of a
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  Speaker 5: friend who knew somebody who was a DP and I
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  Speaker 5: was like questioning, like like I'm thinking about going back
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  Speaker 5: to school maybe like a film school or something like that,
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  Speaker 5: and this friend of mine was just like, nah, I don't,
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  Speaker 5: I don't even waste your time, Like I know, somebody
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  Speaker 5: who's a DP you can learn all that stuff on set.
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  Speaker 5: I'm like, wait, what, Like, I don't have to go
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  Speaker 5: to a school and pay them like tons of money
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  Speaker 5: and spend another four years to get a diploma so
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  Speaker 5: I can do something like I could just do this,
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  Speaker 5: Like I can learn this like on the job. And
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  Speaker 5: he's like yeah, sure, and sure enough he was right
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  Speaker 5: and it does. And you know, just getting onto a
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  Speaker 5: film set just seeing what people were like figure during
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  Speaker 5: out what people were doing, it blew my mind. And
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  Speaker 5: you know, I got the bug instantly. And it's just
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  Speaker 5: like I want to I know, I'm not gonna be
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  Speaker 5: like doing everything that everybody's doing on set, but I
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  Speaker 5: want to learn what these guys are doing and hopefully
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  Speaker 5: make a living out of it if possible.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, and honestly, your friend was right, by the way,
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  Speaker 4: because honestly, it's like this podcast, it's basically it is
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  Speaker 4: an audio film school, like we were talking about, you know,
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  Speaker 4: as we were you know, eating or whatever or when
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  Speaker 4: you first got here, I forget whatever we were talking about. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: it's basically, you know, you have a lot of options
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  Speaker 4: now people have options, you know, people who listen to
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  Speaker 4: this podcast No, I'm not a big fan of college.
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  Speaker 4: I become a fan of college less and less. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: just because the promise doesn't deliver. I mean, you're taught
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  Speaker 4: from when you're like, you know, in kindergarten, first grade,
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  Speaker 4: you have to go to college and get a good job.
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  Speaker 4: You have to have that diploma to get whatever you
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  Speaker 4: get it and then you realize, holy crap, it's like
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  Speaker 4: there's a gluttony of people with the same degree in
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  Speaker 4: the field. Yeah, and it's just like do I really
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  Speaker 4: even need this? Like, you know, do I really need
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  Speaker 4: this to do? Like, hell, I have a degree in business,
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  Speaker 4: and I mean I've never, honest to god, I've learned
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  Speaker 4: so much more outside of college. It's like James Eltatrol,
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  Speaker 4: he says, do you really need to pay two hundred
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  Speaker 4: thousand dollars to learn how to learn?
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  Speaker 3: No?
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  Speaker 5: Exactly.
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  Speaker 4: And there's also.
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  Speaker 5: Something that he you know, speaks about like in depth
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  Speaker 5: to especially like his like anti college stuff. It's like
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  Speaker 5: there's a lot of like, you know, you know, things
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  Speaker 5: in real life that you won't learn in college, like
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  Speaker 5: like how to fail. Like there's no class on like failing,
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  Speaker 5: Like everybody's trying not to fail in college.
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  Speaker 4: And if you fail, that's a bad thing in real life.
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  Speaker 5: Again, but in real life, especially in filmmaking, like it's
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  Speaker 5: kind of like the more you fuck up, like the
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  Speaker 5: more you learn. Yes, And in real life, you know,
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  Speaker 5: you really do have to screw up to learn and
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  Speaker 5: to you know, hopefully not make those same mistakes.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, and when you do fail, you can you know,
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  Speaker 4: this is saying that calm wooters do not a good
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  Speaker 4: sailor make. So if you're just always smooth sailing and
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  Speaker 4: all these calm wooters and everything's just copasetic and whatever,
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  Speaker 4: anybody can do that you don't need any anybody anybody.
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  Speaker 4: You don't even need sailor training, you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 4: You could just put that ship and just steer it away.
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  Speaker 4: But when the wooters start getting very bad, the waters
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  Speaker 4: could all choppy, and then you're fighting tidal waves, and
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  Speaker 4: then you're fighting krakens and all sorts of stuff, and
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  Speaker 4: you have scurvy.
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  Speaker 5: That bigfoot and bigfoot.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, and that's when you have to know, oh my god,
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  Speaker 4: thank god. Yeah, this is teaching is something, and it
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  Speaker 4: kind of like you know what Nietzsche says, whatever doesn't
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  Speaker 4: kill you makes you stronger. So it's kind of like
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  Speaker 4: one of those things. And you know, and honestly, and
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  Speaker 4: to Dave, with so many film productions out there and
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  Speaker 4: with all this other stuff, you can just go on YouTube.
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  Speaker 4: If I was in high school right now, even in
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  Speaker 4: middle school right now, and I looked up films and
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  Speaker 4: stuff like that, or I looked up what was going
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  Speaker 4: on and area wherever the hell I lived in the world.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, you can find a ton of other people
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  Speaker 4: doing the exact same thing and go, hey, you know,
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  Speaker 4: you're shooting a film maybe next weekend, or they're looking
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  Speaker 4: for people. I go to my local film office and
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  Speaker 4: just see about that.
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  Speaker 5: You know.
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  Speaker 4: One thing I want to tell people is if you
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  Speaker 4: want to go to college, go to college. If you
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  Speaker 4: ask what your heart set on. Honestly, but I would
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  Speaker 4: always recommend this, take a gap year high school to college.
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  Speaker 4: Take that gap year and just do a ton of stuff.
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  Speaker 4: Like we were talking about earlier. If there's something that
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  Speaker 4: you want to do in your life and it's itching
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  Speaker 4: you constantly and you're like, God, damn it, you know,
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  Speaker 4: I really want to go to wrestling school. I really
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  Speaker 4: want to go make a film, I really want to
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  Speaker 4: do go do it. Yeah, Like before it's too late,
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  Speaker 4: and too late is when you're when you're dead. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: that's why I classed it too late, because you could
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  Speaker 4: still be a wrestler.
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  Speaker 5: Like if you're eighty, you chance you're gonna get like
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  Speaker 5: really injured, but probably like after one bump in wrestling school.
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  Speaker 4: But uh yeah, I totally agree.
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  Speaker 5: Like if you if there's like a niche that you
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  Speaker 5: want to scratch, to scratch it. You know, there's like
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  Speaker 5: so many people that try to say like, oh I
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  Speaker 5: don't have any regrets or anything like that. Everybody has
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  Speaker 5: like some sort of regret. Like you can go on
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  Speaker 5: social media and see like all these different you know,
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  Speaker 5: entrepreneurs like Gary Vee and Tim Ferriss and all that
• 16:15
  Speaker 5: and in the Rock too, and like every single post
• 16:19
  Speaker 5: is like positive, and it's like it.
• 16:20
  Speaker 4: Can't be that way.
• 16:21
  Speaker 5: There's there's got to be like something that they regretted
• 16:24
  Speaker 5: or something like that.
• 16:25
  Speaker 4: You know, like there's.
• 16:27
  Speaker 5: Everybody loves, especially on social media posts in there and
• 16:29
  Speaker 5: their w's their wins. So and I don't know, just
• 16:32
  Speaker 5: just from my experience in real life, you know, there's
• 16:36
  Speaker 5: more losses than there are our wins, and and that
• 16:41
  Speaker 5: just happens with everyone. It's not like exclusive to to
• 16:44
  Speaker 5: certain people. And I feel like if if there's like
• 16:46
  Speaker 5: a certain thing that you want to do, especially going
• 16:48
  Speaker 5: into film, as crazy of a world as it is
• 16:52
  Speaker 5: and as much it's like it makes euro sense to
• 16:54
  Speaker 5: get into it, still do it. It's it's you know,
• 17:00
  Speaker 5: you know, like you know me from from doing Warrior
• 17:03
  Speaker 5: University with the Ultimate Warrior, and that was just like
• 17:05
  Speaker 5: such a like a random thing for me, and that
• 17:07
  Speaker 5: was just like one of the stops on my film journey,
• 17:10
  Speaker 5: and you know, I just took like a thing that
• 17:13
  Speaker 5: I was really curious about, and you know, I was like,
• 17:18
  Speaker 5: you know what, I can do this, and I gave
• 17:21
  Speaker 5: it a shot, and you know, so many like opportunities
• 17:25
  Speaker 5: that I wouldn't never have experienced, like you know, doing
• 17:28
  Speaker 5: a Warrior University with Ultimate Warrior. That same year, I
• 17:32
  Speaker 5: got to work on The Victoria's Secret Show for my
• 17:34
  Speaker 5: first time, and they brought me back a second year,
• 17:38
  Speaker 5: and just like doing a music video for a friend
• 17:43
  Speaker 5: of mine, like just having like people like giving me
• 17:46
  Speaker 5: an opportunity, trusting me to do something that you know,
• 17:49
  Speaker 5: people wish that they could do. So yeah, absolutely, Like
• 17:54
  Speaker 5: if there's any sort of curiosity that you have about
• 17:57
  Speaker 5: life or something that you wish to do, like do it,
• 18:00
  Speaker 5: just don't like keep thinking about it. Yeah.
• 18:02
  Speaker 4: Yeah, And that's why I always say, like people always
• 18:05
  Speaker 4: wait till they're they're prepared. You're never gonna be prepared.
• 18:08
  Speaker 4: It's never gonna be the right time. You have to.
• 18:10
  Speaker 4: What I would say is head your beds as much
• 18:13
  Speaker 4: as possible, yeah, and then just plunge right into it. Yeah,
• 18:17
  Speaker 4: and see what you can do. I mean, like I'm
• 18:18
  Speaker 4: not saying quit your job, and you know what like
• 18:21
  Speaker 4: like that, like like like I was telling you before
• 18:23
  Speaker 4: about my uh about my one friend he wanted to
• 18:26
  Speaker 4: go to wrestling school, and he kept saying finding excuses
• 18:29
  Speaker 4: and I said, dude, like you know, if you want
• 18:31
  Speaker 4: to do it, just do it.
• 18:32
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 18:33
  Speaker 4: And honestly, I have friends mint who want to make
• 18:34
  Speaker 4: films and they always talk about the ideas, Like, dude,
• 18:37
  Speaker 4: if you have a screenplay in your head, just start
• 18:39
  Speaker 4: running it down, go go out. Honestly, Writer's Duet is
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  Speaker 4: my new jam. Okay, that's my Yeah, that's my new
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  Speaker 4: Just it glew me away. It comes with an actual
• 19:02
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  Speaker 4: the actual like software for it. So now it sinks
• 19:07
  Speaker 4: up everything.
• 19:07
  Speaker 5: So like, let's just say you do want to go offline,
• 19:09
  Speaker 5: you can actually download your scripts, write them a offline,
• 19:12
  Speaker 5: and then as soon as you're back with internet, it'll
• 19:13
  Speaker 5: automatically resink it.
• 19:15
  Speaker 4: That's amazing. So see that that's key because I've always like,
• 19:17
  Speaker 4: what if I'm somewhere and I don't have internet? Yeah,
• 19:20
  Speaker 4: that it just answered my question for me right there.
• 19:23
  Speaker 4: I have no more excuses. So I just bought it.
• 19:25
  Speaker 4: And it's better than pretty much everything I've ever Actually,
• 19:28
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• 19:30
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• 19:32
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• 19:37
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• 19:42
  Speaker 4: but anyways, I've used them all and I'm telling you, uh,
• 19:46
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• 19:48
  Speaker 4: Sometimes people ask me if I get paid for some
• 19:50
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• 19:52
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  Speaker 4: There's a ninety eight percent chance if you go to
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  Speaker 4: Dave Bulls dot com and you see a link, nine
• 20:13
  Speaker 4: percent chance that it's an affiliate link. But at least
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  Speaker 4: some moss straight with that. Yeah, but like, but but hey,
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  Speaker 4: at least it's something I actually use. But like, wheer's
• 20:21
  Speaker 4: the wet or whatever else you hear we talk about
• 20:23
  Speaker 4: whether you know, whatever it is, I make zero dollars
• 20:25
  Speaker 4: off of that. I'm just telling you. It just comes
• 20:27
  Speaker 4: up in the course of conversation. And you know that's
• 20:30
  Speaker 4: what we were talking about too, is you know you
• 20:31
  Speaker 4: had an itch, you liked the you know, you wanted
• 20:34
  Speaker 4: to get into film. You know, I want to hear
• 20:36
  Speaker 4: more too about the but the the New York Asian
• 20:38
  Speaker 4: Film Festival, because it sounds freaking awesome, and that's the
• 20:42
  Speaker 4: festival were talking about a little bit earlier where it's
• 20:45
  Speaker 4: just like you know, uh, as you know we're both
• 20:47
  Speaker 4: huge Asian cinema fans. Yes, I I freaking love Asian cinema.
• 20:52
  Speaker 4: I think it is just you know, well.
• 20:54
  Speaker 5: I know you love Tarantino, so then you gotta love
• 20:56
  Speaker 5: Ring right, you gotta love Ring of Lamb, you gotta
• 20:59
  Speaker 5: like to Cash Mech, you gotta love wool cham Clark.
• 21:03
  Speaker 5: I mean, you know these guys, I mean, Takashi Mecha
• 21:07
  Speaker 5: might be one of the most dynamic, diverse filmmakers ever
• 21:14
  Speaker 5: because he has made films like something like maybe The
• 21:18
  Speaker 5: Audition or Visit or Q, and then he makes something
• 21:21
  Speaker 5: like what is it thirteen Samurai?
• 21:23
  Speaker 4: Is it yes, thirteen Assassin thirteen Assassins?
• 21:27
  Speaker 5: Yeah?
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and uh and I was like, you know, say
• 21:30
  Speaker 4: it's something like that when he's just going and he's
• 21:32
  Speaker 4: so freaking prolific.
• 21:33
  Speaker 5: He even makes like he's made children's films too.
• 21:36
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 21:36
  Speaker 5: Yeah, And it's just like this guy man, he's just
• 21:39
  Speaker 5: all over the place.
• 21:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah, he's uh.
• 21:41
  Speaker 5: Plus he's one of these filmmakers who he'll do like,
• 21:45
  Speaker 5: I don't know, like ten or more productions a year.
• 21:48
  Speaker 5: So yeah, maybe not all of them are good but
• 21:50
  Speaker 5: he's constantly, you know, working his craft.
• 21:53
  Speaker 4: He must be non stop, just working, just churning it out.
• 21:56
  Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely so.
• 21:58
  Speaker 4: But you know, just back to the New York Asian
• 22:00
  Speaker 4: Film Festival. You know, so, what were your first experiences
• 22:03
  Speaker 4: with that? And I mean because now you're actually a
• 22:06
  Speaker 4: full fledged staff member.
• 22:07
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm an operations manager with them now after some
• 22:12
  Speaker 5: years of filmmaking and being a bit jaded from the experience,
• 22:16
  Speaker 5: you know, one of the things that like always like
• 22:19
  Speaker 5: kept me grounded in film and you know, kept that
• 22:22
  Speaker 5: fire going was the New York Asian Film Festival. I
• 22:25
  Speaker 5: heard about it back originally in two thousand and nine.
• 22:28
  Speaker 5: I was taken a Japanese class and there was just
• 22:32
  Speaker 5: like some guy that came in who was like a
• 22:34
  Speaker 5: former student of you know, that professor, and he mentioned like, oh,
• 22:39
  Speaker 5: there's like some film festivals showing like Asian movies. And
• 22:42
  Speaker 5: he was like there's one called Vampire Girl versus Frankenstein Girl.
• 22:46
  Speaker 5: With my background that I already mentioned, I was like,
• 22:48
  Speaker 5: whoa where Like He's like, yeah, it's called the New
• 22:51
  Speaker 5: York Asian Film Festival. I think at that time they
• 22:54
  Speaker 5: were like at IFC, and I was like, after this class.
• 22:59
  Speaker 4: I'm going on my and I'm looking it up.
• 23:01
  Speaker 5: I'm signing up for any mailing list that they have,
• 23:05
  Speaker 5: and whatever screenings they have, I'm going to all of
• 23:08
  Speaker 5: them because previously, you know, now, whenever I would go
• 23:14
  Speaker 5: to a movie, it would just be like a like
• 23:15
  Speaker 5: a random like a not a random but like you know,
• 23:18
  Speaker 5: your standard AMC lows whatever to see whatever Hollywood movies
• 23:22
  Speaker 5: are out there, usually for like for anything like international
• 23:28
  Speaker 5: or you know, just like an independent film, Like I
• 23:32
  Speaker 5: didn't think that those would be at like an actual
• 23:34
  Speaker 5: movie theater. Like I would just go to Best Buy
• 23:36
  Speaker 5: to check out something that wasn't going to be in
• 23:38
  Speaker 5: a movie theater or you know back in the day,
• 23:41
  Speaker 5: you know, Blockbuster, And so it blew my mind that
• 23:46
  Speaker 5: there was a festival for this. It blew my mind
• 23:49
  Speaker 5: that they were like theaters that screened these movies. So
• 23:52
  Speaker 5: it's like, I it was like a whole new world
• 23:55
  Speaker 5: was like, you know opening up. I'm like, oh my god,
• 23:57
  Speaker 5: there's this this exis so you know, true to my word.
• 24:02
  Speaker 5: Like as soon as that class was over with, like
• 24:04
  Speaker 5: I went on my phone looked it up, and I
• 24:07
  Speaker 5: found out that the two thousand and nine edition was
• 24:10
  Speaker 5: over Want Want, So I signed up for everything mailing lists,
• 24:15
  Speaker 5: got on their Facebook, liked it, and patiently waited for
• 24:20
  Speaker 5: a whole year to go buy for it to come back.
• 24:24
  Speaker 5: Uh So twenty ten was the first year I got
• 24:26
  Speaker 5: to go, and their main guest was Samuel Hung Oh wow, Yeah,
• 24:32
  Speaker 5: and Simon Yam who's also like in you know, a
• 24:36
  Speaker 5: bunch of you know, Ringo Lamb, you know Category three,
• 24:41
  Speaker 5: you know, Hong Kong movies. And I was like wow,
• 24:45
  Speaker 5: you know, like I've seen these guys like in movies,
• 24:48
  Speaker 5: and they're they're here like they're guests, like they're here
• 24:51
  Speaker 5: to talk about these movies. And uh, you know, I
• 24:56
  Speaker 5: didn't know too much about the festival. I didn't know
• 24:58
  Speaker 5: too much about like, you know, some of the these
• 25:00
  Speaker 5: directors or actors. But a New New York Asian Film
• 25:04
  Speaker 5: Festival kind of covered everything from like indie to you know,
• 25:07
  Speaker 5: big budget you know films for you know, all these
• 25:10
  Speaker 5: different Asian countries.
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: So you know, it just.
• 25:13
  Speaker 5: Rolled the dice and you know, picked up their catalog
• 25:18
  Speaker 5: like a program book when I went to my first screenings,
• 25:22
  Speaker 5: and I just like looked through it and I'm like
• 25:24
  Speaker 5: this look cool. This looks this has a badass title.
• 25:26
  Speaker 5: Let me check it out. Rom coms. I don't really
• 25:29
  Speaker 5: watch those, but I'm gonna watch them now. Like which
• 25:31
  Speaker 5: one did you used to watch twenty ten? I don't
• 25:34
  Speaker 5: remember it because I was like, maybe I've been years ago.
• 25:36
  Speaker 5: Maybe was it like drink drank drunk? Or maybe My
• 25:39
  Speaker 5: Sassy Girl or no, my Sassy.
• 25:41
  Speaker 4: Girl was earlier than that.
• 25:43
  Speaker 5: Oh my god, I'm trying to Once I figure it out,
• 25:46
  Speaker 5: i'll let you know, Okay, But I looked in the
• 25:48
  Speaker 5: show notes, but I you know, I just watched like
• 25:52
  Speaker 5: all these different kind of movies, and there was like
• 25:54
  Speaker 5: some stuff that I wouldn't even like bother with. Like
• 25:58
  Speaker 5: there was one documentary on a Japanese folk artists called
• 26:03
  Speaker 5: Live Tape, and I forgot the name of the artists.
• 26:09
  Speaker 5: I should remember because I have the soundtrack at home,
• 26:11
  Speaker 5: but it was literally this guy, you know, starts off
• 26:15
  Speaker 5: walking in you know, one of one space and he
• 26:19
  Speaker 5: just starts strumming on his guitar, gets into a song,
• 26:22
  Speaker 5: and then he meets up with a band member and
• 26:24
  Speaker 5: some other part of town and goes into another song
• 26:28
  Speaker 5: and it's all one shot and they're walking through like
• 26:31
  Speaker 5: the town, you know, him meeting you know, one band
• 26:34
  Speaker 5: member at a time, and then at the end of
• 26:36
  Speaker 5: the film, like they all meet together and you know,
• 26:38
  Speaker 5: get into the last song and I'm like, wow, this
• 26:42
  Speaker 5: is one shot. And I think I was telling you,
• 26:45
  Speaker 5: like beforehand, I was like, you know, what's behind the camera.
• 26:49
  Speaker 5: How are they filming this? How did they make it?
• 26:51
  Speaker 5: You know, look the way it does. You know, how
• 26:54
  Speaker 5: are they able to do this in one shot for
• 26:56
  Speaker 5: like over an hour and have it looked the way
• 26:59
  Speaker 5: it looks.
• 27:00
  Speaker 4: Yeah, So just like.
• 27:02
  Speaker 5: Watching these movies just kind of like you know, being
• 27:05
  Speaker 5: a being a big film fan to begin with, because
• 27:10
  Speaker 5: I was, you know, like I mentioned, I was really
• 27:11
  Speaker 5: into black exploitation movies and just other kinds of film
• 27:15
  Speaker 5: and anything that really piqued my interests. Like I have
• 27:18
  Speaker 5: this like habit of like I have to dig as
• 27:20
  Speaker 5: deep as possible, go further down the rabbit hole to
• 27:24
  Speaker 5: find out, like, you know, what is this all about?
• 27:26
  Speaker 5: You know, how did it start? Like yeah, you know,
• 27:29
  Speaker 5: how is it? What's the community? You know, like and
• 27:36
  Speaker 5: you know I would notice that they were like volunteers
• 27:38
  Speaker 5: and stuff like that. So I'm like, I have to
• 27:40
  Speaker 5: work for the festival next year. So I ended up
• 27:43
  Speaker 5: volunteering and now I'm actually like I've volunteered so volunteered
• 27:47
  Speaker 5: so often and been so consistent, Like now I'm like
• 27:50
  Speaker 5: part of staff.
• 27:52
  Speaker 4: So when did they offer you part of staff? Like
• 27:54
  Speaker 4: did they did somebody there finally say like, look, this
• 27:57
  Speaker 4: powers kid is really.
• 27:59
  Speaker 5: Like some gump shit, he's got something, Yeah, helbling out
• 28:02
  Speaker 5: promote them?
• 28:03
  Speaker 4: But like, what was the like, was there a final
• 28:06
  Speaker 4: thing where somebody finally said, look, Dave, We're just going
• 28:07
  Speaker 4: to promote you to this for next festival or was
• 28:11
  Speaker 4: there anything like that or was it like sort of
• 28:14
  Speaker 4: you could again, you were consistent, you were always there,
• 28:16
  Speaker 4: so I'm sure I'm sure somebody had known as something. Right.
• 28:20
  Speaker 5: Uh, It's kind of hard to say because it just
• 28:22
  Speaker 5: kind of happened like organically. It's kind of like you're
• 28:25
  Speaker 5: just there so long that they're just gonna give you
• 28:26
  Speaker 5: a title alone because believe it or not, you know,
• 28:30
  Speaker 5: despite the colburd guests that we get, you know, we've
• 28:34
  Speaker 5: had people like Jackie Chan and h was that our
• 28:37
  Speaker 5: last last year's big guest was leeb you and Hun
• 28:40
  Speaker 5: who was in Magnificent seven. And you know, despite getting
• 28:44
  Speaker 5: like some of these big names like it's really like
• 28:46
  Speaker 5: a our team is really tiny. There's like a probably
• 28:51
  Speaker 5: less than ten people that program it and probably less
• 28:54
  Speaker 5: than ten people that are just part of the staff,
• 28:56
  Speaker 5: like helping out with like, uh, you know, random stuff
• 28:59
  Speaker 5: like the things I'm doing this year's event planning. I
• 29:02
  Speaker 5: don't have too much experience event planning, but I'm sure
• 29:05
  Speaker 5: as hell I'm going to have it this just this summer. Thankfully,
• 29:09
  Speaker 5: the person that I'm working with like has done that before,
• 29:11
  Speaker 5: so so we're not like, hmm, let's get some string
• 29:15
  Speaker 5: cheese and toastedos so. But it's a really small team
• 29:21
  Speaker 5: that makes this this big festival like come together. And really,
• 29:26
  Speaker 5: I think, you know, me coming into the position that
• 29:29
  Speaker 5: I am with with operations management, it's just really like
• 29:32
  Speaker 5: I've just been there for for such a long time,
• 29:35
  Speaker 5: kind of like with a lot of the films that
• 29:38
  Speaker 5: I worked on in the past, and like some of
• 29:40
  Speaker 5: the guests that you've had on the past, you know,
• 29:43
  Speaker 5: they want to do something so bad and they want
• 29:46
  Speaker 5: to figure out how it works. Like you know, I
• 29:49
  Speaker 5: just wanted to do like every year that came by
• 29:51
  Speaker 5: that I was volunteering. It's like, you know, what else
• 29:53
  Speaker 5: can I do?
• 29:54
  Speaker 4: Besides volunteering. I just asked for more and more tasks.
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor,
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: and now back to the show.
• 30:07
  Speaker 5: And you know, because it's such a small team, like
• 30:11
  Speaker 5: they're like, okay, I.
• 30:12
  Speaker 4: Want you to do this. I mean, yeah, everyone knows each other, right, Yeah,
• 30:16
  Speaker 4: you know, event planning. I've actually done a few like
• 30:19
  Speaker 4: events and stuff like that. Yeah, my my, My tips
• 30:23
  Speaker 4: are always going to be always, always, always try to
• 30:26
  Speaker 4: get like some kind of deal whenever you can. And
• 30:30
  Speaker 4: what I mean by that is I would always I
• 30:33
  Speaker 4: always pitched quantity over quality. This is the very rare
• 30:37
  Speaker 4: time I actually like, for instance, alcohol companies, I would
• 30:41
  Speaker 4: pitch them constantly and eventually the vodka companies are huge
• 30:46
  Speaker 4: and sponsoring shit. Even if you can't get money, even
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: a free bottle of something is a pretty good thing
• 30:52
  Speaker 4: because you can give that away and it's always it
• 30:54
  Speaker 4: always looks pretty cool. You can put up their stuff
• 30:57
  Speaker 4: or you can just tricker at yourself in the parking lot.
• 30:58
  Speaker 5: And just you know, one of our sponsors this year's
• 31:02
  Speaker 5: same beer sponsor from last year's sing tow. Yeah yeah, yeah,
• 31:06
  Speaker 5: so they're gonna be one of our sponsors. So we
• 31:08
  Speaker 5: got the free beer.
• 31:09
  Speaker 4: No, we got the beer hook up nice. Yeah see
• 31:12
  Speaker 4: that stuff like that, that stuff like you know, just
• 31:15
  Speaker 4: get getting one sponsor and getting another sponsor. And I mean, honestly,
• 31:19
  Speaker 4: that's that's the whole thing.
• 31:20
  Speaker 5: One of the years we had like McDonald's as a
• 31:21
  Speaker 5: sponsor because I was like, because I had I was
• 31:25
  Speaker 5: been helping out with the Wikipedia page and I asked
• 31:27
  Speaker 5: for like all the old programs.
• 31:28
  Speaker 4: I remember, like.
• 31:31
  Speaker 5: McDonald's was one of our sponsors.
• 31:32
  Speaker 4: Like, I can't even imagine why McDonald's.
• 31:34
  Speaker 5: I don't know, maybe they had the Mulan sessue sauce
• 31:37
  Speaker 5: or something like that.
• 31:38
  Speaker 4: Have you been seeing fricking Mordy by the way, have
• 31:40
  Speaker 4: you seen the newest one?
• 31:41
  Speaker 5: Not the newest season. I've seen like some past episodes
• 31:44
  Speaker 5: as the show is incredible.
• 31:45
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's the whole sesshon one. Yeah, yeah, he have
• 31:48
  Speaker 4: the obsession with yeah, yeah, with it with that, and
• 31:50
  Speaker 4: that's why I just want to bring it up just
• 31:52
  Speaker 4: in case. But yeah, m McDonald's, I'm just like, what
• 31:55
  Speaker 4: what the hell? You know, honestly, did did you ever
• 31:58
  Speaker 4: get like any local restaurants that say, hey, maybe I
• 32:00
  Speaker 4: can cater for maybe one event? And then maybe the
• 32:03
  Speaker 4: guy down the street and cater for ano event that
• 32:04
  Speaker 4: what you're not killing the small businesses and they can
• 32:06
  Speaker 4: sort of get something in return as well. And we're
• 32:08
  Speaker 4: working on like stuff like that for this year.
• 32:10
  Speaker 5: So I don't know too much about it because I
• 32:14
  Speaker 5: can't talk too much about it either.
• 32:15
  Speaker 4: So you'll find out it.
• 32:17
  Speaker 5: You told me you'd have to kill me, right, yeah,
• 32:19
  Speaker 5: or make you watch dB Cooper Bigfoot again.
• 32:22
  Speaker 4: Well, I thought we were never going to talk about
• 32:24
  Speaker 4: that again. I thought it was you have the men
• 32:26
  Speaker 4: and black me and give me one of those those
• 32:28
  Speaker 4: phaser things. You're just like, I don't remember anything.
• 32:30
  Speaker 5: Well, for the sake of punishment, breakup, it was that
• 32:36
  Speaker 5: the worst movie you've ever seen?
• 32:37
  Speaker 4: Oh man, for me, it's not. Actually, no, that's not
• 32:41
  Speaker 4: the worst movie you've ever seen. I'm trying to remember
• 32:44
  Speaker 4: I've seen.
• 32:45
  Speaker 5: I've seen some like really horrible ones, because you know,
• 32:48
  Speaker 5: just sometimes just like curious about something. I think like
• 32:51
  Speaker 5: the worst one was like an old school like Mexican
• 32:54
  Speaker 5: horror movie, like about an Aztec mummy, and like the
• 32:58
  Speaker 5: Mummy's not like hardly in the movie, and like it's
• 33:02
  Speaker 5: it's like all like there's like a voiceover talking about
• 33:06
  Speaker 5: like every scene that's going on and there's people talking.
• 33:08
  Speaker 5: It's like, let the people talk, and I don't need
• 33:10
  Speaker 5: a voice over, just just let these people talk. And
• 33:13
  Speaker 5: then I think, like the way that the Mummy is killed,
• 33:15
  Speaker 5: like like a car runs over it. I'm like, really,
• 33:18
  Speaker 5: this this creature comes back from the dead after thousands
• 33:21
  Speaker 5: of years and it gets run over by a car
• 33:23
  Speaker 5: to be killed.
• 33:24
  Speaker 4: So they didn't have cars in age of They just
• 33:26
  Speaker 4: you know, had hooks up the brain, you know, or
• 33:28
  Speaker 4: if something knows to get the brain.
• 33:30
  Speaker 5: So apparently this Mummy can come back to life, but
• 33:32
  Speaker 5: if it gets hit by a car, it's it's a
• 33:34
  Speaker 5: done deal.
• 33:36
  Speaker 4: But sorry, I had to go too far off as
• 33:38
  Speaker 4: we told about TV Cooper and stuff. Now, yeah, but
• 33:41
  Speaker 4: just go back to the Asian Festival, you know. I'm
• 33:42
  Speaker 4: glad to hear that it's constantly growing. Yeah, so what
• 33:45
  Speaker 4: is this year's festival.
• 33:46
  Speaker 5: It's gonna be happening June thirtieth through July fifteenth at
• 33:51
  Speaker 5: the Film Society of Lincoln Center, which also like hosts
• 33:54
  Speaker 5: like other festivals like the New York Film Festival, and
• 33:58
  Speaker 5: the last couple of days we're going to be.
• 33:59
  Speaker 4: At the THEA Theater on twenty third Street. Cool. And
• 34:03
  Speaker 4: I mean, like, who's the big guest like this year,
• 34:05
  Speaker 4: because I know you've had Vinger, Lamb.
• 34:07
  Speaker 5: Jackie Chan and he said, uh uh, haven't announced any guests,
• 34:11
  Speaker 5: so having it out okay, so we'll have to do
• 34:13
  Speaker 5: something afterwards, Okay, So I will update this as soon
• 34:16
  Speaker 5: as make an announcement. We'll be announcing it very soon. Actually, okay,
• 34:20
  Speaker 5: good because a little bit early with promoted, well not
• 34:22
  Speaker 5: too early, but still early. Yeah.
• 34:24
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but what'll be halfway through May?
• 34:27
  Speaker 5: Yeah?
• 34:27
  Speaker 4: So yeah, okay, got about a month. Yeah, we got
• 34:29
  Speaker 4: a bad month. Yeah, that's a good time you get
• 34:31
  Speaker 4: some promotion out. Yeah. But yeah, yeah, I'll all do
• 34:34
  Speaker 4: this as well because you're actually the next episode of
• 34:36
  Speaker 4: the Gate. So I just I was like, well, I
• 34:39
  Speaker 4: guess we'll I'll update it. Yeah, I outdate when when?
• 34:42
  Speaker 4: When when you announced the guests?
• 34:44
  Speaker 5: So absolutely?
• 34:45
  Speaker 4: So you know, what are some let me ask you
• 34:47
  Speaker 4: if we talk about networking and stuff, you and I
• 34:49
  Speaker 4: talk about all this stuff, what are some of the
• 34:51
  Speaker 4: things that you've taken away from doing the festival about networking?
• 34:54
  Speaker 4: I me, because I'm sure you've seen people who are
• 34:57
  Speaker 4: awful networkers probably, oh yeah, cars out to every everybody,
• 35:00
  Speaker 4: and there's good networkers who are almost like and not
• 35:03
  Speaker 4: to use the Asian theme too much, but like a
• 35:05
  Speaker 4: ninja where it's like, you know, they're just like.
• 35:07
  Speaker 5: How dare you?
• 35:08
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I know exactly right, play the stereotypes, yeah, but no,
• 35:11
  Speaker 4: but like they they're basically like you. You might not
• 35:15
  Speaker 4: know who they are, but everyone seems to know who
• 35:17
  Speaker 4: they are, you know, like like hey, hey, do you
• 35:19
  Speaker 4: know you know, maybe I don't know John Wong. Do
• 35:23
  Speaker 4: you know John Wang? Oh? Yeah, yeah, I know John Wong,
• 35:26
  Speaker 4: but I've never actually met him. I just have heard
• 35:28
  Speaker 4: of him, you know what I mean, that type of guy.
• 35:31
  Speaker 4: So I mean, have you seen some of something like
• 35:33
  Speaker 4: that at the festival. One of some of the things
• 35:36
  Speaker 4: that you've taken away from it as well, just.
• 35:39
  Speaker 5: From working just in film in general, actually has helped
• 35:43
  Speaker 5: me out a lot, you know, working at the festival
• 35:45
  Speaker 5: because we do have these like high profile guests and
• 35:48
  Speaker 5: you never really know how like you know, every everyone
• 35:52
  Speaker 5: in general when you meet them in real life, they're
• 35:54
  Speaker 5: all different, and you know, when we have like big
• 35:58
  Speaker 5: name guests or smaller name guests, it's just kind of
• 36:00
  Speaker 5: like I just treat him like humans, because at the
• 36:03
  Speaker 5: end of the day, like, I'm not gonna try to
• 36:05
  Speaker 5: pitch these guys an idea like or like hey, could
• 36:08
  Speaker 5: you get me a job? You know, I'm not gonna
• 36:10
  Speaker 5: be like begging leading job. Give me a job like
• 36:13
  Speaker 5: Gil from Simpson's give me a job.
• 36:15
  Speaker 4: Oh the good of her old Gill. Give Gill a lick?
• 36:18
  Speaker 5: Come on, like no, no, like usually. Actually, one of
• 36:24
  Speaker 5: the many jobs I've had in the past was to
• 36:26
  Speaker 5: bodyguard you know some of these guys.
• 36:28
  Speaker 4: Really, who's your bodyguard? For Jackie Chan?
• 36:30
  Speaker 5: Was one that one that one's actually kind of a
• 36:34
  Speaker 5: stretch like it still was like a bodyguard thing, but
• 36:37
  Speaker 5: it was literally like we need you to We need
• 36:40
  Speaker 5: you to walk mister Chan over to his car, and
• 36:42
  Speaker 5: it was like like five feet away or.
• 36:44
  Speaker 4: Something like that. Has anything ever happened? We better like
• 36:46
  Speaker 4: put somebody down. No.
• 36:48
  Speaker 5: Actually, for the Jackie Chan thing, there were there were
• 36:51
  Speaker 5: like some like autograph hounds they're around, and it was
• 36:55
  Speaker 5: kind of strange because this we had him feel like
• 36:59
  Speaker 5: a press conference and it was just like it's not
• 37:01
  Speaker 5: one of those kind of things that you're gonna like
• 37:02
  Speaker 5: find out about or it was really like low key,
• 37:05
  Speaker 5: and it's like, you know, I was just thinking to myself,
• 37:07
  Speaker 5: like how did these people know that he was going
• 37:09
  Speaker 5: to be here? So, you know, never estimated the power
• 37:13
  Speaker 5: of a stalker.
• 37:14
  Speaker 4: Yes, but luckily there was like.
• 37:17
  Speaker 5: Me and another guy and you know, we were you know,
• 37:20
  Speaker 5: there were just like a bunch of kids wanting autographs,
• 37:23
  Speaker 5: so it wasn't that hard to you know, put him down.
• 37:27
  Speaker 5: But you know, at that time, like they were like
• 37:31
  Speaker 5: a like a like an animal rapians or something.
• 37:34
  Speaker 4: But hi face, I'm like, no kid.
• 37:36
  Speaker 5: Uh yeah, you know from my experience in professional wrestling
• 37:41
  Speaker 5: and power bomb the kid on the concrete.
• 37:45
  Speaker 4: You gave me the rock bottom and the stole cold sign.
• 37:48
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I gave him the super kick and uh I
• 37:50
  Speaker 5: give him the sleeper hole and cut his hair afterwards.
• 37:53
  Speaker 5: But anyway, but you know, it wasn't anything too crazy,
• 37:57
  Speaker 5: and you know, just one thing that I learned.
• 38:00
  Speaker 4: And you know, just I learned in real life.
• 38:03
  Speaker 5: It's just like, you know, some people just don't want
• 38:05
  Speaker 5: to be bothered and situation like that, Uh, you know,
• 38:09
  Speaker 5: just do what I was told, bring him to his car,
• 38:12
  Speaker 5: let him get in the car, and rite away. And
• 38:15
  Speaker 5: you know, whenever I've like dealt with like guests in
• 38:17
  Speaker 5: the past. You know, I just give them their space.
• 38:21
  Speaker 5: You know, if they want to talk to me, they
• 38:22
  Speaker 5: could talk to me.
• 38:23
  Speaker 4: If not, then fine, like just been like, uh.
• 38:27
  Speaker 5: There was like one really famous Korean actor e Young Jay,
• 38:31
  Speaker 5: and you know there were some other big name Korean
• 38:35
  Speaker 5: you know stars that were there too, and they were
• 38:38
  Speaker 5: outside of the theater.
• 38:39
  Speaker 4: They just wanted to sit down at a table and talk.
• 38:42
  Speaker 5: So I let them sit there and talk and me
• 38:45
  Speaker 5: and like one other person was helping me out just
• 38:47
  Speaker 5: watch the area. There was like some people that like
• 38:51
  Speaker 5: Young Jay and like, yeah, but give them, give them
• 38:55
  Speaker 5: their space, and you know, you know some thing thankfully,
• 39:00
  Speaker 5: you know, some of these people are you know kind
• 39:03
  Speaker 5: enough to just hey, let these guys like chill out.
• 39:04
  Speaker 5: They're human beings, you know, let them let them chat
• 39:08
  Speaker 5: with one another because I'm sure like with their schedules
• 39:10
  Speaker 5: and stuff like that. You know, seeing people that you
• 39:13
  Speaker 5: work with or worked with in the past, you know,
• 39:16
  Speaker 5: they just want to hang out. And there's a screening
• 39:19
  Speaker 5: for one of Ejong Jay's films and he just wanted
• 39:22
  Speaker 5: to stand in the back and watch it. So you know,
• 39:26
  Speaker 5: I just you know, stood there with him, let him
• 39:28
  Speaker 5: do his thing. I didn't ask him any questions or
• 39:30
  Speaker 5: bother him, and at the end of it, he just
• 39:34
  Speaker 5: said thank you, and for me, that was validation enough.
• 39:36
  Speaker 5: But there's been times where I've you know, bodyguarded like
• 39:41
  Speaker 5: some of these guys, and there's one in particular, Ringo Lamb,
• 39:46
  Speaker 5: who is just kind of like who the hell is
• 39:48
  Speaker 5: this guy? Why's he follow me around all the time?
• 39:50
  Speaker 5: And then like at the end of it, we were
• 39:52
  Speaker 5: like best friends and.
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: and now back to the show.
• 40:03
  Speaker 5: And I'm like, wow, Like this guy was like, who
• 40:08
  Speaker 5: the hell? Who the hell is this guy following me around?
• 40:10
  Speaker 5: And you know, at the end of it, like I
• 40:13
  Speaker 5: we actually like bumped into each other at a at
• 40:17
  Speaker 5: a restaurant, and you know, after one of the screenings
• 40:20
  Speaker 5: and separately, separately.
• 40:22
  Speaker 4: Was he like, you're following me here too, lo kid? No.
• 40:25
  Speaker 5: No, Actually, by that time, like he got he like
• 40:28
  Speaker 5: grown got grown accustomed to me, and he was like, hey,
• 40:31
  Speaker 5: this guy's all right.
• 40:32
  Speaker 4: And he actually.
• 40:33
  Speaker 5: Got like he stood up from the table that he
• 40:36
  Speaker 5: was at and went over to me and like shook
• 40:37
  Speaker 5: my hand. Oh, and you know, like you know, said
• 40:40
  Speaker 5: hi to you know, the people that I was sitting with.
• 40:43
  Speaker 5: So you might have like situations like that, but like
• 40:46
  Speaker 5: I never go out of my way to say, like
• 40:48
  Speaker 5: here's my card, Like I was at Victoria's Secret fashion show.
• 40:52
  Speaker 5: You should hire me for stuff? I know, the Ultimate Warrior.
• 40:54
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it was seriously well because well at that point
• 40:57
  Speaker 4: you didn't know the ultim war Yes, yeah, and so
• 41:00
  Speaker 4: so well at that point you got to everyone at
• 41:02
  Speaker 4: the table, you have to say, this is Ringo Lamb.
• 41:05
  Speaker 5: Oh they aready knew who he was. This is there
• 41:06
  Speaker 5: were some of them were working with me at the festival.
• 41:09
  Speaker 5: One of them was like a friend who flies out
• 41:12
  Speaker 5: from from Austin.
• 41:13
  Speaker 4: Her name is Christina High. Christina. I'm sure she'll be listening.
• 41:16
  Speaker 4: She better be listening. Yeah, I don't know who that is,
• 41:18
  Speaker 4: but she got to be listening.
• 41:19
  Speaker 5: So you know, she was hanging out and she's like,
• 41:21
  Speaker 5: oh my god, Ringo Lamb. So you know it was
• 41:24
  Speaker 5: it was a big deal and it was like it's
• 41:26
  Speaker 5: such a genuinely nice thing for him to do. Like
• 41:28
  Speaker 5: I wasn't going to go out of my way to
• 41:30
  Speaker 5: you know, to be a fan or mark out or
• 41:33
  Speaker 5: anything like that.
• 41:34
  Speaker 4: Did anybody bring up the fact that City on Fire
• 41:39
  Speaker 4: is what? Let me change this around, Okay, that Reservoir
• 41:43
  Speaker 4: Dogs is very similar to City on Fire.
• 41:45
  Speaker 5: Oh you don't say, yeah, uh no, that wasn't brought up.
• 41:48
  Speaker 5: I think because it's like such a like uh uh
• 41:53
  Speaker 5: I think at this point, especially if you're going to
• 41:54
  Speaker 5: the festival, you.
• 41:55
  Speaker 4: Probably already know that.
• 41:56
  Speaker 5: Yeah, so it was just kind of like a moot,
• 41:59
  Speaker 5: you know, so object to bring up. Also, like he
• 42:01
  Speaker 5: it was funny, he was very shy, like he didn't
• 42:04
  Speaker 5: really want to do he didn't want.
• 42:05
  Speaker 4: To do a Q and A or anything like that.
• 42:07
  Speaker 5: Like we did give him like a Lifetime Achievement award
• 42:10
  Speaker 5: and he didn't he just said thank you.
• 42:13
  Speaker 4: That was his speech. U.
• 42:16
  Speaker 5: And it was funny because he did have some like
• 42:17
  Speaker 5: great stories like in the back and stuff like that,
• 42:19
  Speaker 5: but just you know, he was a pretty shy guy
• 42:22
  Speaker 5: or just didn't want to you know, you know, talk
• 42:26
  Speaker 5: for I don't know, I don't know the specific reason,
• 42:29
  Speaker 5: but it wasn't brought up. But I did ask, like
• 42:32
  Speaker 5: one of the programmers like hey, basically asking the same
• 42:34
  Speaker 5: thing like hey, he's anybody Well, I know people have
• 42:36
  Speaker 5: asked that question.
• 42:38
  Speaker 4: But I was like, oh, you know, what's his like
• 42:39
  Speaker 4: take on that?
• 42:40
  Speaker 5: And it's just basically like, oh, well, we steal a
• 42:43
  Speaker 5: lot of American ideas, so if he stole if America's
• 42:46
  Speaker 5: steal one of ardeas all right, that's cool with me.
• 42:50
  Speaker 5: So it was just kind of like you know, mutual
• 42:52
  Speaker 5: kind of like respects. Yeah, you know that. That's pretty
• 42:55
  Speaker 5: cool because essentially that movie basically made Tarantino's career.
• 42:59
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, absolutely. And then then Pulp Fiction was the
• 43:02
  Speaker 4: was the sort of death blow. Ye, and I mean
• 43:04
  Speaker 4: that a good way. And that's a good one two combinations,
• 43:07
  Speaker 4: probably one of the best one two. I got into
• 43:09
  Speaker 4: a discussion with this for for a film professor at
• 43:12
  Speaker 4: Yale because he we were asking what the best one
• 43:15
  Speaker 4: two combination of movies from a director be back to back? Yeah,
• 43:21
  Speaker 4: and uh, that has that has to be up there.
• 43:24
  Speaker 5: He ended up contending that, oh god, what was it
• 43:28
  Speaker 5: that he said? It was actually very tough to beat
• 43:30
  Speaker 5: to God, damn it, I'm gonna I forget.
• 43:32
  Speaker 4: But when I exactly official show, I will link to it.
• 43:37
  Speaker 4: I'll put like, this is what the hell I was
• 43:38
  Speaker 4: talking about, But I forget what it was. It wasn't.
• 43:42
  Speaker 4: For some reason, I keep wanting to say Sam to
• 43:44
  Speaker 4: Sam Peck and Paul movies, But it wasn't Peck and Paul.
• 43:47
  Speaker 4: It was. It may have been something else. It was
• 43:49
  Speaker 4: it was it was something else entirely. But I'll get
• 43:52
  Speaker 4: I'll put this in the show time and I'll end
• 43:54
  Speaker 4: with the breaking movies. The breaking movies Claude Van Damn
• 44:00
  Speaker 4: and Uh and Boogaloo Shrimp.
• 44:02
  Speaker 5: Yes, yeah, it was a great guest on the Super
• 44:04
  Speaker 5: Mario brother Super Show.
• 44:05
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you know that one guy that not not not
• 44:07
  Speaker 4: Boogoloo Shrimp, but the other guy, Shabba Doo. Do you
• 44:10
  Speaker 4: know he's like apparently a total fucking prick in real life.
• 44:14
  Speaker 5: Well, with a name like Shabba Doo, like either you're
• 44:16
  Speaker 5: really like the greatest guy ever where you're you're cursing
• 44:20
  Speaker 5: God for being named Shabba Doo.
• 44:22
  Speaker 4: I guess it's the latter, because apparently, like I've had
• 44:25
  Speaker 4: people who've who've met him and stuff, and they said
• 44:27
  Speaker 4: he's just like even back then, they were like, he's
• 44:30
  Speaker 4: just And the girl who was in Breaking she said
• 44:33
  Speaker 4: he she knew for the after when they were like, hey,
• 44:35
  Speaker 4: we're gonna make a sequel She's like, he better not
• 44:37
  Speaker 4: be in it. Wow, apparently because he's just so like,
• 44:40
  Speaker 4: I'm the best dancer out of all of us, and
• 44:43
  Speaker 4: you better all.
• 44:45
  Speaker 5: Well, I guess you gotta have quay an ego after
• 44:47
  Speaker 5: being on the Super Mario Brother super Ship.
• 44:50
  Speaker 4: Well, Booloo Shrimp is apparently a good guy. Yeah, I
• 44:52
  Speaker 4: mean you have to be the name like Booloo Shrimp. Yeah,
• 44:54
  Speaker 4: come on. So yeah, so, I mean, you know, and
• 44:58
  Speaker 4: it's great to be you know, the Asian Fest, the
• 45:00
  Speaker 4: New York Asian Film Festival. I'm just glad that there's
• 45:04
  Speaker 4: actually festivals like that now. Yeah, they're becoming more and
• 45:06
  Speaker 4: more prevalent because honestly, man, like, there were some kick
• 45:10
  Speaker 4: ass movies that they're coming out from Asia and sometimes
• 45:13
  Speaker 4: he get buried and Tarantino made what was it, Rolling
• 45:16
  Speaker 4: Thunder I think films or productions yea, where it was
• 45:18
  Speaker 4: gonna be like He's gonna start showing these Apparently it
• 45:21
  Speaker 4: just sort of teetered off because I think, yeah, it
• 45:23
  Speaker 4: wasn't seeing the ROI yeah, but I wanted to ask though,
• 45:27
  Speaker 4: did you ever get to see Vampire Girl versus Frankensteiner?
• 45:30
  Speaker 5: Yes? I did, Okay, God, I got it on like
• 45:32
  Speaker 5: DVD like I think like the following Year or something
• 45:34
  Speaker 5: like that. Oh right, that's actually it was funny because
• 45:37
  Speaker 5: I uh, one of the friends that I made through film,
• 45:41
  Speaker 5: just I guess to get like into like you know,
• 45:44
  Speaker 5: connecting with people and networking and stuff. I was watching
• 45:49
  Speaker 5: the sci fi show Face Off, and there was like
• 45:52
  Speaker 5: one you know, I was starting to get into film.
• 45:54
  Speaker 5: I was just really being like as bold as possible
• 45:57
  Speaker 5: because it's just kind of like, yeah, so this great
• 46:00
  Speaker 5: opportunity to just grow as a person too, like because
• 46:02
  Speaker 5: I really like held back on, you know, pursuing anything
• 46:06
  Speaker 5: I was interested in, like a big wrestling fan, but
• 46:08
  Speaker 5: I never went to wrestling school. Yeah, but I did
• 46:10
  Speaker 5: go to the Chikara Pro first tryout, so really, yes,
• 46:15
  Speaker 5: how's that go? I'm not a wrestler, but it was fun.
• 46:18
  Speaker 4: Did you run the ropes.
• 46:21
  Speaker 5: They do?
• 46:21
  Speaker 4: We didn't run the ropes? It was like super super basic.
• 46:24
  Speaker 4: Did they let me ask you that? Did they just
• 46:26
  Speaker 4: like try to weed out everybody by making is just
• 46:28
  Speaker 4: do like bodyweight calisthenics like Hindu squats and running them.
• 46:32
  Speaker 5: Yeah, we we did that stuff, but it wasn't like
• 46:34
  Speaker 5: five hundred and Hindu squats or anything.
• 46:36
  Speaker 4: Like that.
• 46:36
  Speaker 5: I essentially like the gist that I got from it
• 46:39
  Speaker 5: was like they were looking for new wrestlers, like genuinely
• 46:43
  Speaker 5: looking for new wrestlers. So they just started doing this
• 46:46
  Speaker 5: so you know that they could find new talent, cause
• 46:50
  Speaker 5: they were very like at the end of it, like
• 46:53
  Speaker 5: I could tell like most people, like including myself, were
• 46:56
  Speaker 5: just there just to like I wonder what it's like. Yeah,
• 46:59
  Speaker 5: And I specifically was going because a friend of mine's
• 47:03
  Speaker 5: like brother, badly wanted to be a wrestler. So I'm like,
• 47:05
  Speaker 5: you have to go through Chakaro Pro because they literally
• 47:10
  Speaker 5: had the best like trainers at that time. I'm sure
• 47:12
  Speaker 5: they still do now, but like Mike quack and Bush, Yeah,
• 47:16
  Speaker 5: Mike quack and Bush, who's one of my favorite indie wrestlers,
• 47:20
  Speaker 5: and Bally wanted to be a wrestler. So I was like,
• 47:24
  Speaker 5: you know, you got to go to this, and then
• 47:26
  Speaker 5: I've got you know, another itch had to be scratched,
• 47:28
  Speaker 5: so I was like, let me check this out. But
• 47:30
  Speaker 5: at the end of it, like the wrestlers on hand
• 47:32
  Speaker 5: and everybody, they were like almost like strong arming people
• 47:35
  Speaker 5: to do to to like we'll give you a discount
• 47:38
  Speaker 5: or something like that. But I was watching the sci
• 47:43
  Speaker 5: fi show Face Off, and there was like one person
• 47:47
  Speaker 5: on there named Suley, who I was when getting into film.
• 47:54
  Speaker 5: One of the things I like promised myself is like
• 47:56
  Speaker 5: I have to align myself with people that are doing
• 47:59
  Speaker 5: better than me, for one thing, so I can learn
• 48:01
  Speaker 5: from them and to you know, find people that like
• 48:04
  Speaker 5: I know, I'm gonna work well with.
• 48:07
  Speaker 4: And three people in the area.
• 48:10
  Speaker 5: So I saw her on the show, thought she was awesome,
• 48:13
  Speaker 5: enjoyed her work.
• 48:14
  Speaker 4: She was nearby.
• 48:17
  Speaker 5: One of the key things that I heard her say
• 48:19
  Speaker 5: on the show or like in an interview, was that
• 48:22
  Speaker 5: she was willing to work on local like independent movie.
• 48:27
  Speaker 4: That's her kiss that that's right there. I got her.
• 48:29
  Speaker 4: I got her, she's mine. And we always turned to
• 48:33
  Speaker 4: guys with big chopping cigars like what like I got.
• 48:36
  Speaker 5: Her, yeah, and just thinking about the big money bags
• 48:41
  Speaker 5: with the dollar sign on it.
• 48:42
  Speaker 4: I'm making money exactly.
• 48:44
  Speaker 5: And I reached out to her and it turned out
• 48:46
  Speaker 5: like she was, you know, also like a big like
• 48:49
  Speaker 5: Asian film fan despite her being Asian. And but I
• 48:54
  Speaker 5: found out you know from you know, we you know,
• 48:57
  Speaker 5: scheduled time to meet up and just like chat to
• 48:59
  Speaker 5: see like Hey, this, like, this is somebody I want
• 49:01
  Speaker 5: to work with.
• 49:02
  Speaker 4: And she mentioned that she.
• 49:04
  Speaker 5: Was originally going to school for like medical like prosthetics,
• 49:10
  Speaker 5: and she mentioned she went to the New York Aasian
• 49:12
  Speaker 5: Film Festival in two thousand and nine for Vampire Girl
• 49:15
  Speaker 5: Versus Frankenstein Girl, and I think she met like the director,
• 49:20
  Speaker 5: one of the directors and SFX artists, Nishima, and she
• 49:29
  Speaker 5: was like after I don't know if it was specifically
• 49:32
  Speaker 5: seeing that movie or just like seeing some other movies
• 49:34
  Speaker 5: in general, that kind of like put it over the
• 49:36
  Speaker 5: top that she actually got to meet this guy in person,
• 49:39
  Speaker 5: And I know it was like a turning point for
• 49:42
  Speaker 5: her to you know, go to the festival, meet this,
• 49:45
  Speaker 5: meet meet Nishima, and you know decide like, hey, you know,
• 49:50
  Speaker 5: I'm done with medical prosthetics.
• 49:52
  Speaker 4: I want to do you know, movie makeup.
• 49:54
  Speaker 5: So you know, we both had that like in common
• 49:57
  Speaker 5: that like the festival was kind of like a light bulb,
• 50:01
  Speaker 5: you know for both of us.
• 50:03
  Speaker 3: We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor
• 50:10
  Speaker 3: and now back to the show.
• 50:13
  Speaker 5: Like hey, you know, there's there's you know, more to
• 50:16
  Speaker 5: our day to day life than just you know, going
• 50:18
  Speaker 5: to work or whatever, you know, plans that we you know,
• 50:21
  Speaker 5: had at the time. So and you know, I just
• 50:26
  Speaker 5: want to throw it out there, like like if you
• 50:27
  Speaker 5: see somebody, even if they're on TV or something like that,
• 50:30
  Speaker 5: like obviously be polite and very you know, humble when
• 50:36
  Speaker 5: you approach people, because it really is annoying if you're like,
• 50:39
  Speaker 5: hey you want to be my movie, or hey can
• 50:41
  Speaker 5: you work on my movie or like and there's like
• 50:44
  Speaker 5: no real like you know, plan behind asking them other
• 50:47
  Speaker 5: than like, hey can you do this for me?
• 50:48
  Speaker 4: Like because there's no script you know, you know what
• 50:50
  Speaker 4: I mean, there's no funding. It's just like it's I
• 50:53
  Speaker 4: know who probably gets it the worst. And it's not Asian,
• 50:55
  Speaker 4: but it is Bruce Campbell. I imagine he probably gets
• 50:57
  Speaker 4: it every single day, like we be in my movie.
• 51:01
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and they probably call mash too.
• 51:02
  Speaker 4: Yeah, well they do exactly don't because they don't know
• 51:05
  Speaker 4: exactly right. And and and Brian Halrand Dante from.
• 51:09
  Speaker 5: Clerks, Yeah, it was great, you're supposed to be here today,
• 51:12
  Speaker 5: And he goes, I was actually there one day.
• 51:14
  Speaker 4: Talking to him. Yeah, And somebody actually walked up to
• 51:17
  Speaker 4: him and said, hey, Dante, you don't supposed to be
• 51:19
  Speaker 4: here today and he goes, yeah, haven't heard that one
• 51:23
  Speaker 4: a million times today exactly.
• 51:28
  Speaker 5: But you know, if there's like somebody that you want
• 51:30
  Speaker 5: to work with or somebody that you want to talk
• 51:31
  Speaker 5: to genuinely, you know, I absolutely recommend doing that too.
• 51:36
  Speaker 5: Like it you know a lot of you know, things
• 51:38
  Speaker 5: that we do for the festival, and you know things
• 51:40
  Speaker 5: that I've done, you know from Actually here's a good
• 51:43
  Speaker 5: story for you. When I was working with Beyond Wrestling,
• 51:46
  Speaker 5: I think the like there's like one week where wwe
• 51:50
  Speaker 5: had the Muppets as like the guests like GM or
• 51:52
  Speaker 5: the guest host for Raw, and the promoter Drew was
• 51:56
  Speaker 5: like the Muppets on Raw, Like, well, that's that's reallydiculous, Like,
• 52:00
  Speaker 5: so what is Beyond going to do? Have Tommy wiseou
• 52:03
  Speaker 5: And I was like, I can get a hold of
• 52:05
  Speaker 5: them for you, And I think like, yeah, if you can,
• 52:07
  Speaker 5: I think he said to be like, yeah, if you
• 52:08
  Speaker 5: could do that, like we'll see what we could do.
• 52:11
  Speaker 5: And I actually got Tommy Wise out from the room
• 52:13
  Speaker 5: on the phone like the next day and he was
• 52:16
  Speaker 5: like talking to me, like what are you going to do?
• 52:18
  Speaker 5: Actually the specific phrase that he said maybe about like
• 52:21
  Speaker 5: twenty times on the phone call is so, what's the story, David,
• 52:24
  Speaker 5: And like I.
• 52:26
  Speaker 4: Was like, oh my god, I have Tommy Wiseau.
• 52:28
  Speaker 5: On the phone and he's interested in working for Beyond Wrestling,
• 52:32
  Speaker 5: this independent wrestling organization in Rhode Island.
• 52:36
  Speaker 4: That should be like the name of your book. So
• 52:39
  Speaker 4: what's the story, David. Yeah, in book forms exactly. So
• 52:44
  Speaker 4: it's just it's just an audio book. But yeah, it was.
• 52:46
  Speaker 4: So it's it's just, uh, it's just funny because you know, uh,
• 52:51
  Speaker 4: wrestling sort of attracts a lot of different people. Yeah,
• 52:53
  Speaker 4: I again, you know, uh, for everyone listening to this,
• 52:56
  Speaker 4: I as you know, as I've said before, I have
• 52:58
  Speaker 4: stopped watched rashingally Resting years ago. I just talk about
• 53:02
  Speaker 4: it now because I just can't get into it anymore.
• 53:04
  Speaker 4: And I mean I haven't watched it in years upon years,
• 53:08
  Speaker 4: probably since I graduated Well no, I probably stopped maybe
• 53:11
  Speaker 4: two thousand and eight, maybe somewhere around there. Yeah.
• 53:14
  Speaker 5: So, but like I love all the old school stuff.
• 53:17
  Speaker 5: I love talking about the old school stuff.
• 53:18
  Speaker 4: And I think you and I use wrestling terms and
• 53:19
  Speaker 4: every day speech just by like by by accident, like
• 53:23
  Speaker 4: we're used like the.
• 53:24
  Speaker 5: Old Carnie terms to people that have no idea what
• 53:26
  Speaker 5: it means. Like I'm really getting heating on this person,
• 53:29
  Speaker 5: Like I was trying to sell this and like is
• 53:31
  Speaker 5: this marking out?
• 53:32
  Speaker 4: Like wait, what are these people talking about? Like is
• 53:36
  Speaker 4: he stiff in?
• 53:36
  Speaker 5: It?
• 53:36
  Speaker 4: Was he taking liberties?
• 53:38
  Speaker 5: Yeah?
• 53:38
  Speaker 4: Stuff like a big time enough time And I love
• 53:41
  Speaker 4: that term. It's just and like he's a chopper. Yeah,
• 53:45
  Speaker 4: it's just stuff like that, Like he's jobbing out to
• 53:47
  Speaker 4: him tonight. It's just stuff like that. And it's just
• 53:49
  Speaker 4: like it's like it's just funny stuff when when when
• 53:52
  Speaker 4: they don't know what the you're talking about. Yeah, but
• 53:53
  Speaker 4: people very rarely, like we were saying, they very rarely
• 53:56
  Speaker 4: we will call you on it. Instead they're just like
• 53:58
  Speaker 4: oh yeah, because I think they kind of understand what
• 54:00
  Speaker 4: you're trying to say.
• 54:01
  Speaker 5: And it's funny because like I've never been like a
• 54:03
  Speaker 5: big fan of like you know, inside talk, like even
• 54:06
  Speaker 5: for film Like when I've been on set, like somebody
• 54:08
  Speaker 5: calls like a cable a stinger, I'm like, yeah, wait
• 54:10
  Speaker 5: wait see this's a cablety Seven's Yeah. I'm like like
• 54:15
  Speaker 5: as much as I have like a enjoyed film, like
• 54:18
  Speaker 5: I don't like like film insider terms like stinger, Like
• 54:22
  Speaker 5: just go on a cable. It's a cable. Look at it,
• 54:23
  Speaker 5: it's a cable.
• 54:24
  Speaker 4: It's you know, you plug it, dude, some got two
• 54:26
  Speaker 4: stingers on the floor here? Yeah, Like come on really, no, no, no,
• 54:31
  Speaker 4: we do have one clamp. You have a clamp on here? Wait?
• 54:34
  Speaker 5: Was it like the like the clothes like you know
• 54:40
  Speaker 5: it's clothes pins seven Yeah, And like I've heard people
• 54:43
  Speaker 5: call them like bullets and stuff like that, and it's
• 54:45
  Speaker 5: just kind of like, really, it's just kind of like
• 54:49
  Speaker 5: I'm sure for some people like hearing, like who've had
• 54:52
  Speaker 5: conversations for me using wrestling terms, what what is this
• 54:54
  Speaker 5: guy talking about? Like where this guy sounds really stupid using.
• 55:00
  Speaker 4: It's kind of like that movie Brick where they just
• 55:01
  Speaker 4: everyone kind of talks. Have you ever seen Brick? There's
• 55:04
  Speaker 4: Jason Gordon Levin in it and then everyone talks like
• 55:07
  Speaker 4: a nineteen twenties gangster, but it's.
• 55:09
  Speaker 5: Set in modern day, So like, so, what's the story
• 55:11
  Speaker 5: about the dame? It's like it's actually.
• 55:13
  Speaker 4: Kind of funny but grifted me. Yeah, exactly, Chisel.
• 55:18
  Speaker 5: Yeah, but as we're talking about, you know, pro wrestling,
• 55:22
  Speaker 5: how did you get involved?
• 55:23
  Speaker 4: Because I think you said, you said to me your
• 55:24
  Speaker 4: first shoot, your actual first film introduction to film with
• 55:27
  Speaker 4: a pro wrestling company.
• 55:28
  Speaker 5: Right. Yes, Actually my very first film like shoot period
• 55:32
  Speaker 5: was was Beyond Wrestling. Actually that's I think I filmed
• 55:37
  Speaker 5: with them for like a year and a half or so,
• 55:39
  Speaker 5: and I've actually had the opportunity to film an intergender
• 55:45
  Speaker 5: match with Sasha Banks before she was Big So, and
• 55:50
  Speaker 5: the video the match is actually on YouTube. I think
• 55:54
  Speaker 5: if you just like type in like Sasha Banks Beyond Wrestling,
• 55:58
  Speaker 5: you'll find this like funny intergender match with her in
• 56:03
  Speaker 5: it and me standing on a ladder filming it.
• 56:07
  Speaker 4: I want to make sure to find that link to
• 56:08
  Speaker 4: that in the show notes. Yes, oh, I just kicked
• 56:10
  Speaker 4: the microphone. For everyone who's winnning with that noise was
• 56:12
  Speaker 4: I just had to kick the microphone.
• 56:13
  Speaker 5: Yeah, But it's funny because, like, you know, trying to
• 56:19
  Speaker 5: figure out how to like get into some of this stuff.
• 56:21
  Speaker 5: I'm sure for like a lot of people, it's like
• 56:23
  Speaker 5: absolutely frustrating. It's like like you hear everybody else's story
• 56:27
  Speaker 5: and you know there's so many like different avenues that
• 56:30
  Speaker 5: people have got into it. It's not like something that
• 56:32
  Speaker 5: like like just not like a step by step process
• 56:34
  Speaker 5: to you know, get on you know, become a filmmaker
• 56:37
  Speaker 5: or you know, have a specific title, like everybody.
• 56:40
  Speaker 4: Finds their own way.
• 56:41
  Speaker 5: And thankfully for film you can really go. You can
• 56:44
  Speaker 5: really get into it through like any means possible, and
• 56:48
  Speaker 5: if you have like a desire to become like a
• 56:51
  Speaker 5: director or writer or act or whatever, you could start
• 56:54
  Speaker 5: at any position and figure out your way through there.
• 56:57
  Speaker 5: But beyond it was funny because I I always like,
• 57:01
  Speaker 5: even when I was a kid, I always hated people
• 57:02
  Speaker 5: that had connections when I didn't have connections, or they
• 57:05
  Speaker 5: would like have like a stupid story where like I
• 57:08
  Speaker 5: went into a supermarket and some person found me, like
• 57:11
  Speaker 5: you're my next star, and they went to Hollywood and
• 57:15
  Speaker 5: became big or something stupid, like I had four dollars
• 57:19
  Speaker 5: in my pocket and I went to California and started
• 57:22
  Speaker 5: a production of hair and then I became a big star.
• 57:26
  Speaker 5: That sounds like so unrealistic and funny enough. There was
• 57:31
  Speaker 5: a gym by me, which I always knew that wrestlers
• 57:35
  Speaker 5: like in the past, like Jimmy Snook and I think
• 57:38
  Speaker 5: like Ultimate Warrior of like Rowdy Piper have gone to
• 57:41
  Speaker 5: this gym like whenever they're in the area. It used
• 57:44
  Speaker 5: to be a Golden Gym, and it's been it's gone
• 57:49
  Speaker 5: through different owners over the years, so it's had several
• 57:51
  Speaker 5: different names. But my dad just got me like a
• 57:55
  Speaker 5: gym membership there or something like I think, yeah, he
• 57:57
  Speaker 5: was going there too, so like she get it membership.
• 58:00
  Speaker 5: Here's twenty bucks a month. I'm like, sounds good enough
• 58:03
  Speaker 5: and funny enough. Like I was wearing my che Car
• 58:07
  Speaker 5: Pro you know, hoodie, like for a workout or something,
• 58:12
  Speaker 5: and and at that point in time, like I didn't
• 58:15
  Speaker 5: know if there was any wrestlers still going to this
• 58:17
  Speaker 5: gym or anything like that, and like I just didn't
• 58:18
  Speaker 5: even think about that or care. And you always hear
• 58:22
  Speaker 5: about like guys getting into the business from going to
• 58:25
  Speaker 5: a gym, and some wrestlers like, hey, you look like
• 58:28
  Speaker 5: you should be in the business or something like that.
• 58:29
  Speaker 5: And strangely enough, that kind of happened to me. Like
• 58:33
  Speaker 5: there was a wrestler, like an independent pro wrestler at
• 58:36
  Speaker 5: the time.
• 58:37
  Speaker 4: You went by the name of Nick Talon, and I
• 58:39
  Speaker 4: think he's.
• 58:39
  Speaker 5: Going under Nicholas k now and he saw me wearing
• 58:43
  Speaker 5: the cha Car hoodie and he thought that I was
• 58:45
  Speaker 5: one of the CHAKR wrestlers because most of them are
• 58:47
  Speaker 5: lutra doors wearing masks and they're all like super skinny.
• 58:51
  Speaker 4: I didn't have the muscle that I have now.
• 58:53
  Speaker 5: So he saw me thought like, oh, this is one
• 58:56
  Speaker 5: of the CHECKR guys and he's probably just like here
• 58:58
  Speaker 5: for a workout, and I was like, no, I'm not.
• 59:01
  Speaker 4: And then we just.
• 59:02
  Speaker 5: Started like besing. Uh he realized, you know, it wasn't
• 59:06
  Speaker 5: like a weirdo or anything like that.
• 59:08
  Speaker 4: That's the key. That's the first.
• 59:10
  Speaker 5: If you want to get into anything, you a certain
• 59:14
  Speaker 5: job or whatever, don't be weird.
• 59:15
  Speaker 4: Don't be crazy. Don't be a weirdo. That's the two big.
• 59:18
  Speaker 5: Don't breathe heavy over the phone and like that.
• 59:23
  Speaker 4: Be nice.
• 59:24
  Speaker 5: And you know we just had like just had like
• 59:26
  Speaker 5: a fun chat. And uh, whenever I was in the
• 59:29
  Speaker 5: gym and he was there, we would just be yes
• 59:30
  Speaker 5: about wrestling, and you know, he knew I was interested
• 59:35
  Speaker 5: in getting into film.
• 59:37
  Speaker 4: Another key element.
• 59:37
  Speaker 5: If you want to get into film, just tell people
• 59:40
  Speaker 5: that you want to get into film. Eventually you're going
• 59:42
  Speaker 5: to find somebody that knows somebody. So this guy, you know,
• 59:45
  Speaker 5: he would always tell me about beyond wrestling and how
• 59:48
  Speaker 5: unique it was because essentially it was just kind of
• 59:50
  Speaker 5: like a promotion that didn't have an audience. The audience
• 59:56
  Speaker 5: was literally just the workers.
• 59:59
  Speaker 3: We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor,
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 3: and now back to the show.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 5: So it was you know, wrestlers wrestling for wrestlers, and
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 5: with the set, with the mindset of like, this is
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 5: a good way for guys to network and excuse me
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 5: away for for guys to you know, get feedback from
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 5: each other, because yeah, I don't know like the the
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 5: mindset of the locker rooms now, but like I know
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 5: of in the past, Like you know, you really have
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 5: to really be super humble and you know, uh mind
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 5: your p's and ques to get feedback, you.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 4: Know from certain guys.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 5: You had to ask the right people and you just
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 5: get to some input on you know, their work, because
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 5: wrestling is is.
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 4: Definitely an art, you know.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 5: They even like I've been in the ring, I've run
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 5: the ropes. Nobody was teaching me how to run the ropes.
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 5: I just tried to run the ropes on my own,
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 5: and I'm like, wow, this is like the most unnatural
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 5: thing ever. Like you just like you just like run
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 5: towards the ropes and like you know, you have to turn,
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 5: but it's just like such an awkward movement and like
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 5: using the ropes for momentum to to bounce off and
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 5: like you know run the other direction.
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 4: It's just not natural at all.
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 5: So you know, just I'm sure for these guys just
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 5: like just trying to get like their craft like polished.
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 5: Cause you know, when you see the stuff like on WWE,
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 5: like these guys are truly professionals. They make something that's
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 5: like completely like unnatural look like so easy. But when
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 5: and I know you've you've done some you know, pro
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 5: wrestling school with King Kong Bundy, like just a lot
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 5: of you know this this you know movements in wrestling.
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 5: They just like you really have to like work at
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 5: it hard. You know, falling on your back, falling on
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 5: your knees, and you know, just just getting slammed and
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 5: just trying to make it look like as seamless as
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 5: possible takes a lot of time and effort. And you
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 5: know a good friend of mine, Chris Dickinson, who's in
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 5: Evolved Wrestling kind of like a feeder system for for
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 5: for at WWE's like performance center. You know, he I
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 5: remember he told me like it took him like I
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 5: think like three years before he realized.
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 4: Like how to make a match.
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 5: So imagine just like having matches and just like not
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 5: getting it. So these guys like formed Beyond Wrestling to
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 5: you know, kind of bridge that gap to get feedback
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 5: from other guys to you know, network with one another.
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 5: But also you don't put this stuff on YouTube, you know,
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 5: for for fans to see it, which actually ended up
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 5: like frustrating a lot of fans like how come you
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 5: don't have live shows? But initially, you know, he invited
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 5: me to do camera work, you know, for for Beyond Wrestling,
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 5: and I'm like, wow, i don't even own a nice
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 5: camera and I'm gonna be filming a wrestling event that's
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 5: gonna be you know, put on YouTube for for people
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 5: to see. Yeah, So, or Sean, did you feel like
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 5: oh uh yeah, because you know, since you know, with
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 5: independent Pro Wrestling, this was like really like minor league
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 5: at the time. Like now Beyond Wrestling has like you
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 5: know really like stack line up and you know a
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 5: lot of guys that have a competed for WWE or
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 5: you know maybe have like some sort of like a
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 5: contractual deal with WWE that they can appear on like
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 5: their you know, NXT or or the two or five
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 5: live Cruiserweight show like they're wrestling and beyond now and initially,
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 5: like uh, for a lot of these groups, they don't
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 5: have like a like a nice setup. It's not like
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 5: this like fancy television production. It's literally like we're gonna
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 5: give you camp quarter all right, we don't know where
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 5: we're gonna set you up for a steady cam. Uh
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 5: so we're gonna put you on this ladder or we're
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 5: gonna put you like high up on this like like
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 5: of I don't even know how which even like termed
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 5: this thing that they put me on initially, but I
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 5: was like high up somewhere.
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 4: Like a scaffolding or it was it wasnard or something.
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 5: Like an eagle's nest, and I was just like terrified
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 5: of like falling off of this thing more than like getting.
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 4: A good shot.
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 5: But apparently I did well, so they had me come
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 5: back for other events and so that was like my
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 5: first like taste of film. And it was literally from
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 5: like it literally happened from like a stupid you know,
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 5: like a man, you know, I wish I was like
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 5: some guy that you found at the gym and like
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 5: it happened to me, Like whoa, this actually does happen.
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 5: So so that's my That's how I got initially started
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 5: off into film.
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 4: And see as we sort of take a step back here,
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 4: you know, you had to fail, you know, when you
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 4: were actually doing this stuff, you had to actually learn
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 4: how to fail, and you had to learn how to
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 4: you know, do it the right way learning running talk
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 4: about running the ropes, how unnatural that was, and you
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 4: basically you know, you have to learn, you know, this
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 4: whole new skill and the time you learn by failing
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 4: because you know, so you know.
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 5: Not all the stuff that I shot was like great,
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 5: like like it was like sometime would be like after
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 5: the fact, like the promoter would be like gouta stop
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 5: like doing like the zoom in thing like they do
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 5: on WWE because it doesn't look good for our stuff,
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 5: and you know, just getting feedback and not taking you personally,
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 5: and like, you know, how can I how can I
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 5: make this better? Like I like my my you know,
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 5: aim was not to be like a camera guy or
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 5: anything like that. But at the same time, it's like, okay,
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 5: well there's gonna be situations where they may need somebody,
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 5: whether it's beyond or somewhere else, just to press record
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 5: and you know, just just you know, make things look.
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 4: Nice, and just because I have to ask, because again
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 4: this is filmmaking, what kind of camera did you use?
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 4: Or if you're on the film set, it's would you
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 4: shoot that on? You know, if they're a film festival,
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 4: you know, if you're at a film festival wherever, and
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 4: you know the film people, because they're gonna come up
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 4: to you and say, would you shoot that up?
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 5: Exactly. For the first one, it was uh, oh my god.
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 5: It was like literally the promoter like dug out some
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 5: like old camcreers and like, uh they did have like
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 5: some HD to them. Well, no, no, they actually they
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 5: weren't HD. It wasn't until like there was like one
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 5: wrestler who goes by the name of oh my god,
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 5: Jarrick two forty or something. I forgot the numbers. Sorry
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 5: if he's listening, but he he was into film. He
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 5: was he was doing a lot of editing and he
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 5: had like a I think it was like the.
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 4: The rebel he had with him, okay for and that
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 4: was like for our.
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 5: Very first yeah, for our first uh for a first
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 5: live event with an audience, so we were actually had
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 5: like by the time we were actually allowing like an
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 5: audience to come in and you know watch us, you know,
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 5: do our due. We actually had like HD you know
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 5: cameras with us.
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 4: Oh cool.
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 5: So but the initial like you know tapings, they were
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 5: just like some old camp quarters that the promoter dug
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 5: out or like one of the wrestlers had an extra
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 5: camera on end.
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 4: And but that because the show we were talking about,
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 4: you know, you can't wait, so you're ready. You have
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 4: to just go with what you have. Yeah.
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 5: Actually, I remember, like a earlier in the conversation you
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 5: mentioned like there's like some people they just we we
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 5: they're waiting for the perfect moment, They're waiting for the
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 5: for the right thing. I've known people that have like
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 5: graduated from NYU for filmmaking and they're like, oh, I'm
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 5: gonna wait to make a film like once I have
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 5: like the right camera or something like that. Like, no,
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 5: don't don't wait. If you have like a self like
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 5: we're at a point now where you can make an
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 5: amazing film with your cell phone. There's like no excuse
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 5: for for doing what you want to do.
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 4: I've had on Sean Baker, who made Tangerine, and we
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 4: talked about how he shot that whole movie with his iPhone. Yeah,
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 4: and that was a Sunday and starling, by the way,
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 4: still my most popular episode ever with Sean Baker. I
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 4: mean unbelievable numbers because I actually got to interview him
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 4: before wherever you before it just blow up. It was
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 4: like I didn't even plan this, and it was just serendipitous,
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 4: that is, all of a sudden, Like I did the
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 4: interview and then here's where he, like all of a sudden,
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 4: was everywhere and being mentioned, so people were looking him
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 4: up and it first hit was my podcast. So that's why,
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 4: all of a sudden, I saw the numbers. And it
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 4: was kind of like one of those like Scooby Doo
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 4: cartoons where you're kind of like they rubbed the rits
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 4: like zoinks and you're like, what the hell? So it
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 4: was awesome, but but yeah, and so you know, he
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 4: just he you knew what he wanted to do, and uh,
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 4: you know he wanted to shoot that, but yeah, you
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 4: know he can't. He can't wait for the perfect time,
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 4: you know, And that's what that promotion did. They just
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 4: they knew what they had and they made it work.
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 4: And as you know you mentioned King Kong Bundy he
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 4: always talked about the story telling of professional wrestling and
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 4: the story of telling everything else. And you know, because uh,
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 4: you know, Bundy says, professional wrest is supposed to mirror
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 4: a fight. Yeah, and that's why he doesn't get things
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 4: like the tackle drop down. He doesn't get things like
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 4: the leap frog.
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 4: He says, if you're in a fight, why the hell
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 4: would you be trying to leap frog over somebody. He's like, well,
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 4: here's perfect examples of this. He goes, the other guy,
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 4: You whip the other guy into the ropes, he comes
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 4: back at you and trying to gore you like a bull,
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 4: so you leap frog over him and he goes, he goes,
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 4: what the hell is the psychology of that? And and
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 4: you understand, I understand what he what he's saying with that,
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 4: you know, it's it's just a but because I think
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 4: now it's the way wrestling is now. Because again, as
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 4: we were talking about the pre interview, I have two
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 4: friends who talk about it all the time, So I
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 4: got that's where I get it. All lot of information
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 4: from Him's like don't you think that'd be a good
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 4: podcast though, where they just they both deny they watch
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 4: it and all of a sudden they're telling talking about it.
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 4: But yeah, but but uh but yeah, no, no, no, that's
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 4: that's where h uh, That's what I was just talking about.
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 4: Was just that, you know, wrestling now I think's a
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 4: bit different. I think, you know, with how everything's changed.
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think the artist storytelling is kind of I
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 5: don't want to say it's lost, Like these kind of
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 5: things is like never really lose them, but they're definitely.
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 3: We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 3: and now back to the show.
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 5: It deserves to be brought back in like grand form
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 5: because you know, wrestling, just like film, it's like about memories.
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 5: You know, there's like some there's been like some great
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 5: talents over the here. I remember just like offhand, I
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 5: remember it's like an episode of Cohen O'Brien where he's
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 5: like talking about Sid Caesar and like this amazing comedian
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 5: from from back in the day, and but he never
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 5: really did any films, so nobody really like despite how
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 5: great his comedy you know was and still is today,
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 5: Like nobody talks about Sid Caesar or his influence on comedy.
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 5: And but you know with with wrestling today, you know,
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 5: without stories, without those moments, you know, there's no like
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 5: there's nothing for people to like, you know, tell others about,
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 5: like a lot of things that we get sold on,
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 5: especially with film, like somebody tells you about Like I
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 5: saw this movie, you know, like City on Fire, and
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 5: it's like this happens and it's so like similar to
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 5: Resident four Dogs. It's like, whoa wait second, he took
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 5: that movie from that guy and like and you and
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 5: it just gets you captivated. And if there's no moments,
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 5: there's no memories, Uh, it's just gonna get you know,
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 5: hard to you know, sell some of these people down
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 5: the road.
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's you know, somebody once told me that that
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 4: writing a screenplay is really scene writing, Yeah, because you're
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 4: writing these scenes out and these moments that happen within
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 4: these scenes are really key. Like the movie Casino, I
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 4: was actually just uh it was one of my recommended
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 4: with some of the clips on YouTube were recommended to me.
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 4: And I started to watching this again, I was like,
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 4: you know what fantastic Just some of these things, like
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 4: you know, when when Robert Denio and when his wife
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 4: in the movie, which is how Stone she ends up
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 4: going back to her pimp boyfriend. Yeah, and that whole
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 4: scene happens. I mean, it's just stuff like that, you know.
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 4: And they beat him up back to the outside in
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 4: the park on all of the Robern Hero's.
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 5: Boys, and it's just like, you know, this this movie
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 5: is so well put together, and it's just these scenes
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 5: that we can always talk about because I had a
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 5: friend of mine in high school who would always put
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 5: on movies and he wanted to show you the best scenes. Yeah,
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 5: and I was like, dude, just let me watch the
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 5: fucking movie, like I don't need to I don't need
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 5: to see like because he was trying to show me
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 5: Dawn of.
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 4: The Dead and just the best parts like in the mall.
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 5: I was like, dude, I just want to see the movie,
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 5: like I don't need to just show me like that
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 5: the head explosion you're doing to the dead in the beginning, Yeah,
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 5: this is the.
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 4: Georgia Merra version, by the way, not the not the
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 4: James Gunn version. But you know, like where they actually
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 4: they're going there, they're going through the apartment and the
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 4: guy blowing the heads off and stuff, like that, But
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 4: it's the moments like that. And we were talking about
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 4: speaking of the Warrior. You know when in WrestleMania six
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 4: when Weird beat Hogan, I mean that's you know, that's some.
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 5: Of the fly yet leanly it's just in like that match. Actually,
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 5: I'm more of a fan and of the career ending
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 5: match with him and Macho King Randy Savage. And actually,
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 5: when I knew Warrior, like one of my one of
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 5: my regrets hit is I didn't get to ask him
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 5: about that match. It's like classic storytelling for those that
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 5: have no idea about wrestling or that match in particular.
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 5: You know, it's just like a heated feud between the
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 5: Macho Man and the Ultimate Warrior to a point where
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 5: whoever loses the match loses their career. And it's like
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 5: at the point of like this blood feud between these
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 5: two guys, they hate each other so much, and you know,
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 5: this was like a unique match, you know at the time,
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 5: like they got over how much they hated each other
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 5: in a sense that like their demeanors completely change from
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 5: what they how their fights were normally, and Ultimate Warriors
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 5: usually usually would jet down the ring for this one,
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 5: he walked down the ring.
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 4: He was focused, you know, on.
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 5: Macho Man as opponent, like he wasn't even going.
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 4: To slip up.
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 5: Both of these guys like performed each other's finishing moves
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 5: like multiple times, which was like in the past, like
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 5: you would never see a guy like hit their finishing
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 5: move more than once. Like none of these guys were
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 5: laying down for the other. There's even a point where
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 5: Ultimate Warriors like second guessing. He's already got Macho Man
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 5: down on the floor and he's second guessing, you know,
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 5: should I continue. He's like questioning his fate in professional wrestling,
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 5: and he decides, you know, he's speaking to the gods,
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 5: and like he comes back in the ring and then
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 5: just just destroys Macho Man and pins him with one
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 5: foot on his chest, and it's like, whoa, what the
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 5: hell just happened? And then if you know anything about wrestling,
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 5: you know at that time, the Macho Man was separated
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 5: from Miss Elizabeth, like they you know, there was like
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 5: the whole feud with Hulk Hogan and and Miss Elizabeth
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 5: was torn, so she uh was accused by the Macho Man.
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 5: You know that Hulk Hogan was lusting after her. She
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 5: split up from the Macho Man, and she finally returns
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 5: to the Macho Man at that WrestleMania after like this
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 5: like epic loss to the Ultimate Warriors. So you had
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 5: like your love story, you had like this intense battle
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 5: between two guys, like who was going to win? It
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 5: wasn't like an easy thing to you know, predict Like
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 5: some people could just watch wrestling now like oh, that
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 5: guy's gonna win because he's popular, but this was like
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 5: completely unpredictable.
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 4: It was like.
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 5: There's like so many different dynamics going on with this match,
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 5: and I always wanted to ask him, like what the
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 5: hell was like, what was it like for you in
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 5: Macho Man like figuring this match out? And unfortunately I didn't.
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 4: So how did you meet the Ultimate Warrior?
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 5: He was doing these inspirational videos on YouTube and you
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 5: know I called.
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 4: Win to them.
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 5: And you know, Warriors been always like these like fascinating
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 5: personalities and professional wrestling where it's like basically a comic
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 5: book character come to life. And you know there's always
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 5: like a big, you know, feud between me and my friends,
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 5: like who's the better wrestler Warrior A hul Cogan. I
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 5: was always a hull coking guy, but I love the Warrior,
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 5: and just being the wrestling fan that I am, I'm
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 5: always curious what these guys are up to when they're
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 5: not wrestling, and Warrior was doing like these these like intense,
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 5: over the top motivational videos on YouTube, and you know,
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 5: being the open minded guy that I am, you know,
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 5: I think a lot of people when they see these videos,
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 5: they're like, oh, he's in character, he's an idiot, he's
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 5: just screaming. But I was like, you know, I'm gonna
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 5: pay attention to what he's saying. And you know, some
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 5: of the stuff was just like so like just like
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 5: well said, well put and you know, despite him almost
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 5: kind of being in character, and it seemed like that,
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 5: you know, this man has like significantly matured, you know,
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 5: from his time in professional wrestling, you know.
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 4: From the raving lunatic to you know this with this well.
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 5: Read, you know guy and who you know hadn't been
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 5: wrestling in some time. You know, he's aged significantly. You know,
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 5: he's got the gray hair, but he still like had
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 5: like this amazing body. You know, not to go back
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 5: to the to the movie we were talking about earlier,
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 5: but he was shirtless a lot, Yeah it he should
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 5: this guy have like discipline in life, yea. And these
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 5: you know, I would just like watch these videos over
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 5: and over again, and you know, me and my other
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 5: friends would like share them and like like WHOA some
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 5: great stuff. And you know some of the people that
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 5: you know, I was friends with, even some of the
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 5: film people, I'm like, you got to listen.
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 4: To these videos. They're incredible.
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 5: And some of them would be like, oh, you know
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 5: he's screaming, he's an idiot, and I'm like, no, listen.
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 4: To what he's saying.
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 5: And even they would like eventually like turn There's like
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 5: some people I've like I turned them into MP three's
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 5: and gave them out as like CDs for people to
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 5: listen to in their cars. And there's like a few
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 5: of my friends who like those things have not left
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 5: their cars and wherever they've like moved to, like that.
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 4: Ceed goes along with them.
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 5: And there was just like one day he posted a
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 5: new video saying he was doing an autograph signing New
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 5: Jersey and he was thinking about doing some filming at
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 5: that time. On YouTube. There were two TV shows that
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 5: he put out. There were there were there were pilots
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 5: that it was clear that they weren't going to be
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 5: like aired on any television network and called The Warrior Show.
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 5: And basically it was Ultimate Warrior taking like these scream
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 5: O bands to a gym and taking like these like.
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah, because the first band was like something Alexandretta or
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 4: I have forgot the names.
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 5: I haven't seen it so in so long, but it
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 5: was just kind of like after seeing the motivational videos
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 5: and you're and like I'm the big Screamo fans. I'm like,
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 5: oh my god, I can't wait to see these guys
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 5: like you know, get taken to task at the gym
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 5: and have them to see him puke and all this
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 5: other kind of stuff. And and I watched the show.
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 5: He had them like he put them through the wringer,
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 5: had him like do some crazy stuff. But you know,
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 5: turned it around and like and uh, for you know
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 5: this guy who's a celebrity and you know, like for
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 5: the food you ordered, you know you weren't a Ultimate
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 5: Warrior shirt. Now like when the guy delivered the food,
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 5: he's like, Hey, that's the Ultimate Warrior, isn't it. Yeah,
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 5: And I thought it was interesting on the show. He
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 5: didn't assume that anyone knew who he was, and I
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 5: one of the things that kind of like endeared me
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 5: even more to him. He's like, I know, you guys
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 5: looking at me like wondering, who the hell is this
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 5: guy and all this kind of stuff, and then he
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 5: starts explaining who he is, and you know why he
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 5: you know, you know, put him through the task that
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 5: he did, like all these different like workouts, excruciating workouts
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 5: and just to.
• 1:20:00
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• 1:20:06
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• 1:20:09
  Speaker 5: You know, get them to really physically feel like, you know,
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 5: like you have some like power in you, not just
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 5: to like be some like crappy scream o bands, you know,
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 5: getting trashed on Rose and you know, doing you know
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 5: nothing with your life. You know, like you He's getting
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 5: it through to them, like, hey, you have like an
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 5: incredible opportunity that you know, your band, you can get
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 5: your messages heard across to like so many different people.
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 4: You can use this platform for something grander.
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 5: And when I saw this YouTube video of him announcing
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 5: that he was going to do filmings, I was like,
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 5: I have a feeling it's gonna be something.
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 4: Like this, but I want to badly do it.
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 5: And it was funny because initially we were told, like
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 5: we were not going to be told what the format
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 5: of the show is going to be. If you're interested,
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 5: he had a several page like application that you had
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 5: to fill out and you had to do your own
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 5: video to send to him. So I was like, oh
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 5: my god, I don't want to film myself and what
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 5: was the application?
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 4: Like what were some of the things on there? Like
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 4: was really like personal questions.
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 5: Or they were kind of like not two super personal questions,
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 5: but you know, like asking like what did you like,
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 5: what do you do for for work? You know, what
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 5: what motivates you do you work out? Like, you know,
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 5: like basically questions asking like how you know mentally, physically, spiritually,
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 5: how do you like, you know, hold yourself, how do
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 5: you like handle yourself.
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 4: And all that.
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 5: So it wasn't like this like weird like questionnaire of
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 5: all these weird questions. It was actually pretty, uh, you know,
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 5: something like an introspective kind of like you know, form
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 5: to fill out. So when I was filling it out,
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 5: and there was stuff, a lot of stuff I like,
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 5: you know, think about on a regular basis, but now
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 5: I was actually right it to someone else, I was
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 5: writing it to a childhood.
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 4: Hero and.
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 5: Did the video. Was like scared of shit to do that.
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 5: And I think like about like, since I badly wanted
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 5: to get on the show, I just did my best
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 5: to completely forget that. I even like submitted it. I
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 5: didn't want to think about it, was not going to
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 5: obsess about it.
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 4: Nothing.
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 5: And I think I heard back from like two weeks
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 5: later or a week No, no, it was a week later.
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 4: Did he call you?
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 5: No? His management called me, okay, and they're like, oh,
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 5: you know, we're interested in having you on the show.
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 5: And I was like, I am. They left the voicemail
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 5: and I immediately called him back and we were.
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 4: You know, later given like.
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 5: I don't want to say, like vague instructions, but they
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 5: were not like they didn't give us the format of
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 5: the show, what it was going to be. They just
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 5: said once you meet all meet at this hotel and
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 5: I think it was Woodbridge, New Jersey at four am,
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 5: and I'm like, okay, this sounds like the Ultimate Warrior.
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 5: So we all got there. Actually, I was so I
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 5: knew he was going to have us like workout, and
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 5: I knew that was going to be the case. And
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 5: I was so hyped up. I was still I was.
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 5: I was like, okay, they're not giving us the format
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 5: of the show. Let me just come in regular clothes,
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 5: but bring Jim clothes with me. I was so hyped
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 5: I completely forgot to bring my gym clothes. And I
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 5: just showed up like wearing like skinny jeans and Converse
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 5: and my Charles Bronson shirt. And I was like and
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 5: once I got there saw everyone else in Jim clothes,
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 5: I'm like, ah, I'm fucked. And he met with us
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 5: there and it was funny because it was just a
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 5: spot that they picked. Warrior was not staying there. He
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 5: showed up in a car like, you know, I think
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 5: at like four or something like that, and basically told,
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 5: you know, they gave us the deal, like, hey, you
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 5: guys are going to take a five mile walk to
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 5: the underground Strength gym in Edison, New Jersey. And I
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 5: was like five miles all right, and for a long day.
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 5: And the camera crew didn't show up. Meanwhile, you know,
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 5: really camera crew didn't show up. Warrior was there as
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 5: manager was there, and you know, Warrior at first just
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 5: you know, acting normal. He said how he was shook
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 5: our hands stuff like that. And once it was clear
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 5: that the camera crew wasn't there, keep in mind, like
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 5: I said, you know, this is not a hotel that
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 5: anyone was staying at. It was just a spot that
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 5: they picked for all of us to be there. And
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 5: he's like, oh, Steve, you know, his manager brow him
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 5: into the hotel. Meanwhile we're outside screamed at this guy
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 5: and he was like he was going into full Ultimate
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 5: Warrior mode and.
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 4: I'm like, oh my god, it's so awesome.
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 5: Even though he's just like screaming at this guy. And
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 5: like I said, this was not a hotel anyone was
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 5: staying at. So there's somebody working at the table in
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 5: the lobby, there's no one else there. It's just the
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 5: Ultimate Warrior screaming at like some guy in a hotel lobby.
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 4: Where the hell was the crew?
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 5: And it's like, at the same time, I was like wow,
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 5: like he's just like he's just like the character and mhm.
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 5: I also at the same time like, Okay, this is
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 5: also what we're going to be like who we're going
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 5: to be dealing with for the rest of the day.
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 5: And my god, Like that was just kind of like, uh,
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 5: it seemed like an endless workout. I think from start
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 5: to finish it was like over four hours, and he
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 5: had us. I was doing stuff that I'd never done before,
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 5: like sandbag carries. At that point, I wasn't even like
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 5: strong enough to like lift this thing on my shoulders
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 5: to have someone help me with it.
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 4: And did the Warrior like was he watching as you
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 4: were like somebody had to help? Yeah? He was like
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 4: was he there going? Was he just like kind of
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 4: like there just no.
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 5: He was encouraging people to team up and help one another,
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 5: so it was kind of like a team activity. And
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 5: and it was just one of like those like hottest
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 5: days of the summer. And we had to go from
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 5: from the gym and walk these like sandbags to a dumpster.
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 4: It's a parking lot that was nearby, and.
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 5: We had to walk back and we did things like
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 5: that and again like I'd never done before, like tire flips,
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 5: flipping like two hundred pounds plus tires and.
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 4: Trying to think is like some of the other stuff.
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 5: It was just like really it was just like a
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 5: really like intense like I think once we got through
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 5: the gym, it was just like a two plus hour
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 5: workout and you know, with the purpose of just like
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 5: seeing like, hey, we're more capable, you know, we're capable
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 5: of things that we're that we're not even aware of.
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 5: Cause the fact that you know, we got the physical
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 5: you know, state that I in a mental state that
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 5: I was in at that time doing the stuff that
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 5: I did that day was like whoa, Like, I couldn't
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 5: believe that I even did that.
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 4: But the thing that I remember the most.
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 5: From that experience was at the very end of the workout,
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 5: and this is where the skinny jeans came into play.
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 4: They came into a big benefit for me.
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 5: He had us crawl on the parking lot floor with
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 5: chains around our neck, forty five pound chains on our
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 5: neck from one end to another, and then at the
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 5: end of it, he was like, if you don't follow
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 5: your dreams, this is basically what you're doing to yourself.
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 5: And there were guys after that. We were all talking
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 5: to one another for weeks. They were pulling out like
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 5: glass from their knees because they were wearing shorts and
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 5: I was wearing I was wearing skinny jeans, so I
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 5: didn't have to worry about that.
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 4: Jesus, But it was, it was. It was a very.
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 5: Incredibly memorable experience. And you know, you know, I still
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 5: go to the Underground Strength Gym and Zach and I
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 5: and we always like talk about like that day constantly.
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 4: We know, it's funny because we were talking. I've actually, like,
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 4: I don't know no Zach, but I've actually emailed him
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 4: back and forth. I bought a program from him, like
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 4: a couple maybe a year or two, made a couple
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 4: of a while ago. But yeah, I know who he is.
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 4: And uh so, uh yeah, shout out to Zach every
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 4: issue of Zack Evan.
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 5: He's got his own podcast, the Strong Life Podcast, which
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 5: could download on iTunes.
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 4: Yes here, don't advertise other people's No, I'm just kidding.
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 4: I no, no, I I I hope cleyly promote Zach. Yeah,
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 4: but yeah, it's I'll obviously link to all that in
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 4: the show notes as well. And uh, you know, it's
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 4: been a Zach's a great guy. And uh, just going
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 4: back to what we were talking with what you were
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 4: talking about Warrior when he said to you, when you're
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 4: not following your dreams, this is what you're doing yourself
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 4: like all the time, you know, did to a lot
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 4: of people at that at that Finally have that aha moment,
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 4: like holy shit, Like.
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 5: I can't speak for for everyone, and uh, you know,
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 5: like some of these some of these kind of experiences,
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 5: you know, once you have them, like I feel like
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 5: it's a real like you know process too to really
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 5: like understand like the things that you go through. And
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 5: I think for a lot of guys, including myself, you know,
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 5: we're still learning, you know from that from that day.
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 5: You know I could, you know, just speaking for myself,
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 5: I can tell you I've like greatly matured, uh you
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 5: know from how I you know, talk to people, how
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 5: I treat them and stuff, and you know how I
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 5: you know, pursue my own dreams. It's not like the hardest.
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 5: It's not the easiest thing to to do what you want,
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 5: you know. I feel like the mind is like the
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 5: greatest uh you know barrier too, just to living. You know,
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 5: I forgot that Muhammadli quote. Is you know, it's not
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 5: like the biggest mountain that's in your way. It's like
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 5: the pebble in your shoe. Oh yeah, yeah, you know,
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 5: it's just like that, just like some of the mental chatter.
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 5: You know, it's like really like the hardest stuff to overcome,
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 5: and uh.
• 1:29:58
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• 1:30:04
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• 1:30:07
  Speaker 5: You know, you know, going through that experience with him,
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 5: you know, I'm still like, you know, learning and still
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 5: reminding myself like, hey, you know, it's really just as
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 5: simple as just doing what you want. If you don't
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 5: know how, you know, if you don't know the first step,
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 5: just just do whatever you can do what you know,
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 5: talk to whoever you got to talk to, like like
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 5: some of the people I mentioned you know previously, and
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 5: I'm sure you do the same with with your podcast,
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 5: like getting guests to like, you.
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 4: Know, James Altatuer.
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 5: I'm sure he's not an easy guy to get, but
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 5: you persisted and you continued.
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it was I did talk to his girlfriend a lot. Yeah.
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 4: That that's a tip from from from me to you,
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 4: is uh, whatever you have a tough guest, always go
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 4: to the wife, girlfriend, whatever. Yeah, that's always a good
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 4: way in. And then sure enough I was able to
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 4: sort of.
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 5: You know, yeah, so you know, she she went me
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 5: in the right direction exactly. It's it's really just like
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 5: you know, even with the film festival, like when I
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 5: first started going to the New York Nation film festivals,
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 5: like how do I, you know, volunteer. I remember my
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 5: very first day volunteering. I was actually coming off of
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 5: the Kitchen Nightmare set. I was working with them.
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 4: And how was the work of Kitchen Nightmares?
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 5: By the way, it was a nightmare? I I didn't
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 5: I didn't see Gordon Ramsay once. Actually I was just
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 5: like happy as like a pig and shit to be
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 5: like on the set. Yeah, because that was a big
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 5: deal for me and actually funny enough, Like you know,
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 5: I never was like into like cleaning my house or
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 5: cleaning in general. I didn't even know how to paint,
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 5: and actually being on that set, I learned how to
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 5: do all that stuff. I actually like paint, Like you know,
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 5: it was all about like renovating, like uh you know
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 5: these different restaurants that were just like pieces of crap. Yeah,
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 5: and uh you know, I actually that work.
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 4: We're in Kitchen Nightmares. I learned how to paint. Well,
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 4: you know, you know, somebody once told me that like
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 4: shows like that in bar Rescue, that the way they
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 4: choose the restaurants or the restaurants are hanging on by
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 4: like a thread, and basically what happens is there's already
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 4: gonna be like conflict there, so the producers don't have
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 4: to basically add anything. So basically, you know, the criteria
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 4: is hey's hanging on by a thread, which means something
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 4: is desperately wrong anyway, because because good restaurants, even if
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 4: they even if place looks like crap, if they have
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 4: good food, people will come in. As people have told me,
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 4: the best pizza places are the ones that look like
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 4: the ship outside. You're going to go in there. It
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 4: looks like ship outside. You go in there, it's like
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 4: the best pizza ever.
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 5: Yeah, they got the chindlier and you're like champagne cola.
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you're like, what the hell like with a pizza's bagging?
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 1: Uh?
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 5: But but but and you know there's usually some some
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 5: some issues there with the food.
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 4: Some people were just in complete denial. Uh the place
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 4: is falling apart. And then there's people that don't want
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 4: to admit to their mistakes exactly. And also because somebody
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 4: once told me too about this, I just find this
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 4: stuff fascinating. I don't want to take too much time
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 4: with you. But it's like the other thing is is
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 4: that if they were gonna go under, Yeah, the anyone
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 4: who's has some like business Acromen say something like, Okay, look,
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 4: I don't want to throw good money after bad. So
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 4: here's what we're gonna do. When the lease is up,
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 4: maybe a year from now. I'm gonna just focus on
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 4: just making as much money as I can for the business.
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 4: And then when that year's up, I'll maybe break even.
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 4: I mean I'll lose it less, but I can still
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 4: get out and I won't be losing my shirt, you
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 4: know whatever. Those businesses that are like in the real
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 4: like bottom one percent or bottom whatever that appear on
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 4: stuff like bar Rescue and Kitchen Nightmares, they are so
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 4: far gone that it's like they are literally hanging by
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 4: a thread. So everything is just like PANDEMONI when you
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 4: go there.
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 5: Yeah, actually it's like Pandemonium on set. I remember one
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 5: of my like craziest moments was they're like, we need
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 5: a waffle maker for the next scene. We need you
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 5: go to Walmart and get this specific waffle maker. I'm like,
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 5: I got it and drove like a madman to get
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 5: this waffle maker. I drove back, drove down a one
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 5: way street the wrong way to get him this waffle maker.
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 5: And then like when the show finally aired, like that
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 5: scene wasn't even in there, so I was I was
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 5: waiting for that waffle maker scene.
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 4: I'm like, you know, I went through hell to get
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 4: that waffle.
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 5: Maker, and they didn't even have the dignity just show
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 5: one waffle or the maker on the episode.
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 4: It's got. Those editors are brutal. Man. They slaughter, They
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 4: slaughter without a man. So, you know, as we sort
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 4: of talked about all these things, you know, meeting the
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 4: Warrior and everything else, you know, you mentioned you got
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 4: burned out from doing a lot of this stuff all
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 4: the film, and so did I. And that's what we
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 4: actually bonded us because we're like, look, we've had Tony
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 4: Batt experiences. It's time to sort of see you on
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 4: down the road. Yeah, you and I finally we're talking again,
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 4: and we're saying, hey, listen, you know it's been a
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 4: while since, you know, we each have done something. Yeah,
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 4: you know, you and i've ever worked together, but you
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 4: know each you know, we ended up taking day jobs,
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 4: you with various companies, me with various companies because you
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 4: just got burned out. So I wanted to ask you
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 4: and and you know, free feel you know, feel free
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 4: to talk for as much as little as you want, yea,
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 4: So I know, you know, obviously you know, maybe some
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 4: stories that you don't want to talk about, but you know,
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 4: what are some of the things that happened to you
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 4: that sort of burns you out. I won't even go
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 4: into it because everyone who listened to this podcast already
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 4: knows the other price in there going, Oh Jesus Christ,
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 4: don't let Dave talk anymore about that. Yeah, the other
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 4: Dave talks exactly. Let the other Dave talk. Oh my god.
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 5: It's like, and you know, this is just like a
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 5: process that everyone goes through. You know, when you first
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 5: start out like you're so eager, you're willing to do anything,
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 5: and you know, to a degree, I'm still willing to
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 5: do whatever, like as long as I feel like there's
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 5: gonna be some sort of benefit out of it. Just
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 5: after a while, Like the number one thing that really
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 5: just like troubled me the most.
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 4: I think it's like a tiebreaker.
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 5: One just dealing with people that have no idea what
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 5: the hell are doing and they're not willing to you know, learn,
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 5: you know, to advance, and two people that just get
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 5: so emotionally, you know, tied up, you know, on set
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 5: like I've you know, I'm a pretty humble guy.
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 4: Like, you know, I don't have to.
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 5: Be like the director, writer, actor, producer. I don't have
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 5: to be the yed Wood for every movie everything that
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 5: I do. So you know, there's times where I'm willing
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 5: to you know, pa, I'm willing to do anything, like
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 5: as long as it seems fun. Hopefully I'll get a
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 5: payday out of it, you know. But you know, just
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 5: just like going through like some of the ridiculous like
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 5: things like I've had to like go to court appearances
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 5: because people didn't you know, clear a certain location and
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 5: then somebody saw us filming there and you know we
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 5: would get you know, someone says to court and really, yes,
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 5: damn yeah, Like it was just weird. I thought everything
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 5: was taken care of, but it wasn't, and I had
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 5: to show up in court. Thankfully, was dismissed. But you know,
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 5: it's just like stuff like that when people just like
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 5: don't think out like the process and too like they
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 5: even if like they're friends with you know, the people
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 5: that they work with, like they you know, don't they
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 5: don't think of all the steps. You know, a lot
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 5: of you know, some of these situations are forgivable. But
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 5: there's like sometimes where I've had like people freak out
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 5: on me, uh for for stuff that made no sense.
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 5: Like there was like specifically, I had a set that
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 5: I was on where I was sent to go get
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 5: some props. I had them. I was ready to walk out.
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 5: I got a call like we need you to go
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 5: to CVS to get suntan lotion. I'm like, all right,
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 5: I'm on it. They're handing me the receipt. I'm gonna
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 5: walk right out. They're like, no, I need you to
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 5: leave right now. Like I'm about to leave in like
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 5: a minute, Like no, no, you have to leave now.
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 4: I'm like this makes no sense.
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 5: And like it's situations like that where I learned to
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 5: just say like yes.
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 4: I'm on my way, I'm leave right yeah, yeah exactly,
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 4: yeah out.
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 5: But yeah, even though like you know, knowing how to
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 5: handle some of those situations like just after a while,
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 5: like people just freaking out or just causing like unnecessary stress.
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 5: And these days are long, Like average day on set
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 5: is like twelve hours, and you know, I've had people
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 5: that we go for twenty four hours and and it's
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 5: just kind of like wow, I physically like can't like
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 5: handle when somebody like make some of these mistakes because
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 5: they're you know again like some of them are forgivable,
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 5: Like I can, I.
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 4: Can look past through things.
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 5: But there's just like sometimes where like you can tell
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 5: that you're being clearly taken advantage of, yeah, and there's
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 5: no benefit out of it now a none whatsoever or
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 5: just like you know, just some people aren't you know,
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 5: fit to be in film. And you really gotta like
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 5: one thing that I learned, and I'm sure James Altager
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 5: will tell you this with the power of no, you
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 5: do have a choice in the matter. And you know,
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 5: I feel like if there's like if you're on a
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 5: set and it's just going to be trouble and you
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 5: just have a bad vibe about something, trust your gut
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 5: and you know it's not it's not a bad thing
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 5: to say. No, I know, like some people are afraid like, oh,
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 5: I'm not going to get a call back, I'm not
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 5: going to get another job, I'm not gonna get paid.
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 4: What am I going to do? It's like, no, I
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 4: don't worry about it.
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 5: Like if you're in a situation where there's no benefit,
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 5: like why would you want to keep continuing to do that.
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 5: I've had situations where people offered me contracts to work
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 5: for their production company, and I'm not I can't, you know,
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 5: read contracts and you know pull you know, I'm a
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 5: no legal.
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 4: Guy or anything like that, but I can.
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 5: I can read them enough to tell them what I'm
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 5: being screwed, and I would pass them around to to
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 5: people who do know how to read contracts.
• 1:40:01
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• 1:40:07
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• 1:40:10
  Speaker 5: I'm like, this doesn't look right. Can you can you
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 5: read this over for me? And I remember specifically there
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 5: was one friend of mine who is like, is this
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 5: like a like a Hollywood contract from like the nineteen thirties, Like,
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 5: because you're not going to make anything from if you
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 5: sign this?
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 4: Well basically was it? Were they just trying to say
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 4: like you're not going to make anything and trying to
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 4: like control your rights, because like I actually had if
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 4: somebody present me a contract one time to help to
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 4: basically co write a scripts and help and co produce
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 4: the feature. In direct terms, it even said you're not
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 4: paying get paid anything. It was like, well, we're paying it,
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 4: We're paying.
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 5: The amount of he wrote in zero zero, zero out.
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 5: They even't wrote they even wrote out zero dollars and
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 5: zero sense.
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 4: And I said, wild Earth. But I signed this, and
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 4: it's like, well it's experienced. I don't need any more
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 4: in like student film stuff, you know what I mean.
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 4: Like I said, like you and I were talking about
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 4: this earlier, you can watch some of these bad movies
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 4: and you can see how they mirror student films. It's
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 4: like I always turned, I use the term student film
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 4: with money, yeah, because it basically, hey, it's not two
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 4: people talking on a backdrop anymore. Yeah. Although Bigfoot versus T. B. Cooper, Yeah,
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 4: keep talking about that movie, by the but like the
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 4: guy TV Cooper was obviously just in an office somewhere
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 4: going ma'amma, I have a note, you know what I mean.
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 4: It's just like, okay, you're just in an office. We
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 4: got it. You can't film on the freaking plane. But yeah,
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 4: plenty of shirtless guys to go around.
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly. Well, this this contracted particular, well, the one
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 5: that I'm thinking of right now, it was really just
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 5: kind of like, you do all this work for us,
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 5: and we'll give you this small percentage for forgetting us
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 5: clients and off.
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 4: The back end.
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and actually it was it was funny. I had
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 5: a friend of mine and you know, go through the
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 5: contract and I give him a counter offer, which was
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 5: like basically the reverse because I was the basically the
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 5: intent of my reply was like, I'm onto you, guys,
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 5: and this looks like a contract that you know, in
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 5: nicer terms, it looked like a contract that you probably
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 5: just found online. Yeah, that's the exact, which a lot
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 5: of people do. So you know, keep in mind, uh,
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 5: filmmakers out there, careful of people that just print stuff
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 5: offline that they don't even look at. Yeah, and because it.
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 4: Looks like a nice contract, I had that dumb with
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 4: to me before and I said, is this there was
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 4: a website that actually had this guy made a website
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 4: to give people free film contracts, And like I would
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 4: see keep seeing the same exact like paragraphing and space
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 4: and I except saying like is there some place of like, oh, yeah,
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 4: I found it, but I'm sorry, I didn't mean it's.
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 5: Like plus like these people in particularly, I know that
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 5: they had no lawyer or anything like that to write
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 5: this thing for them. So basically we just tore me
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 5: in the friend of mine we tore part the contract
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 5: piece by piece, and well not physically, but you know,
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 5: like we basically gave them counterpoints saying like, okay, you
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 5: have this written down, well I'll be willing to do
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 5: this instead. And it was funny they accepted on all terms.
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 5: But then I just ended up saying no because I
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 5: was like, all right, well, if they're willing to offer
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 5: me this kind of ridiculous contract in the first place,
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 5: what's stopping them from doing something you know, equally as
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 5: stupid or even worse down the road. Yeah, so you know,
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 5: it just really showed me their true colors, and I
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 5: was not afraid to say no and just leave it
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 5: at that. And again, like I feel like with some filmmakers,
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 5: whether they do stuff like they're set or they aren't,
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 5: there's always like some sort of paranoid of like somebody
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 5: gonna hire me for another gig or something like that,
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 5: because just like you know, just just the hustle of
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 5: jumping from one thing to another. It's a lot of
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 5: work and it's very hiring, and it's just stuff like
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 5: that that I just I just didn't want to put
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 5: up with anymore. So I was like, you know, but
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 5: right now, for me, the New York Asian Film Festival
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 5: is like they treat me right, love the people that
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 5: I work with, you.
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 4: Know, this is what I love about film.
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 5: And I actually make make better contacts through New York
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 5: Asian than I do through anything that I've ever done,
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 5: even Victoria's Secret, I've made better contacts in New York
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 5: gas than I did at Victoria's Secret. So yeah, and honestly,
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 5: you probably would have a better time at the New
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 5: York Asian Film Festival anyway. Yeah. Actually even for Victoria's Secret,
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 5: like it was fun the first time. The second go round,
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 5: it was just kind of Actually when I did the
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 5: Victoria's Secret show the first time around, that was kind
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 5: of like you know, once you're behind the scenes, I'm
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 5: pretty sure like most people there were just like so
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 5: caught up in the glitz and the glam. But the
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 5: first thing that came to mind, I was like, wow,
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 5: this is like so fake.
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 4: I imagine too, Like I know I've seen backstage, like I've
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 4: seen like on TV. Yeah, it's like so chaotic. Yeah,
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 4: because they're like everyone's moving at ten thousand miles an hour. Yeah, like,
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 4: oh my god, where the hell is this? You know
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 4: what I mean, they're just like running around and you're like,
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 4: Jesus Christ, let's get let's just get the models out there.
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 4: Come on. I mean, you know at some of the
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 4: some of the costumes. Obviously, you can never wear any
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 4: of this down the street. It's just for this particular fashions. Yeah,
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 4: I mean they've got wings and shipped on. I mean,
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 4: imagine wearing those in New York. You'd get scene worse
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 4: in New York. Yeah, actually because I because every time
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 4: I've ever seen anybody get out of line even a
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 4: little bit in New York, it's just like they just get.
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 5: Put down immediately. And what I mean by that is
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 5: like people who walk slow. Even foreigners who come over here,
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 5: like immigrants would come over here, Yeah, they would know.
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 4: What I'm saying is that they know right away that
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 4: you don't walk someone New York. I remember this Muslim
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 4: man was like he was like, there was this woman
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 4: walking so in front of him, and he actually turned
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 4: to her and he said, he goes, it's fucking New York.
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 4: You gotta walk. And I'm like, like, knows that right, yo.
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 5: If you if you just like stand around and like look.
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 4: At something, like you're like you're in the crossfire, exactly,
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 4: you're gonna get a put your grandma.
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 5: Even if you have nowhere to go, you got you're
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 5: trying to get through as fast as possible.
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 4: Yes. Yes, I've even had people.
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 5: Like who they're just like not from here, and they're
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 5: walking with me somewhere, and I remember there's like one
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 5: person in particular who's like, you walk very fast. I'm like,
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 5: I didn't even notice it until they pointed it out.
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 5: I'm like, yeah, you're right, and then I was just
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 5: you know, it all became clear to me.
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 4: There was a time a friend of mine we went
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 4: to New York with a group of his friends where
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 4: they were from the middle of nowhere in like Kansas
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 4: or Iowa. I mean I mean middle of nowhere, and
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 4: they stopped they saw New York for the first time
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 4: and like what the hell, and they wanted to take
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 4: pictures of everything, and I said, look, they're going to
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 4: get like steam olled. So I said, you take this group.
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 4: I'm going to take this group. And I started talking
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 4: to him like, if you want to take a picture,
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 4: you tell me, and I will tell you where to
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 4: stand so somebody doesn't come by and fucking lose their
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 4: mind and you and being like what the fuck you
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 4: going on? Yeah, and because it happens, you know, it's
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 4: just so like you know, there's certain places and and
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 4: like thankfully they they they but like they went to
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 4: you know, wahwa is right, Yeah, okay, so we went
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 4: to wah wah and they couldn't order from the screens
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 4: because they didn't understand like what it was going by.
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 4: They would actually time out before they could actually order
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 4: it and the whole thing would reset.
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 5: Wow, that's like such like I don't know, it's like
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 5: such a common thing now, like for a lot of
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 5: convenience stores and even just like some like regular places
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 5: just to place.
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 4: Your order on a tablet or something. The greatest was
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 4: a few years ago. But still but you know, you know,
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 4: as we sort of go full circle with this, you know,
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 4: you and I both got burned out. We both look
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 4: day jobs. Now we're like, you know what, you know,
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 4: you went to the Asian Film Festival to as sort
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 4: of like, look, this is my outlet. I started this
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 4: podcast and at a frustration man, I honestly because of
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 4: a couple of reasons. And now you know, we're we're
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 4: trying to start doing this stuff again, you know, do
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 4: our own projects, and it just sort of circles act
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 4: what the ult we was talking about, where if if
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 4: you don't follow your dreams, this is what you're doing
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 4: to yourself. You're picking glass out of your knees, You're
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 4: doing all this other stuff.
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 5: Yea, crawling on your hands and knees, of the frigging
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 5: chain around your neck, a geat in the hot parking lot,
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 5: and it and it really does tie in because it's.
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 4: Like you're torturing yourself. Yeah, what I mean, You're you're
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 4: working harder for less.
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and it's just kind of like I don't know,
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 5: like when you really badly want to do something. You know,
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 5: I'm slowly but surely, you know, making my way back
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 5: into film, Like it's I have to admit it to myself,
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 5: like I still want to do some of this, maybe
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 5: not to the degree that I used to do, but
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 5: I still love it. And you know, at least, you know,
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 5: thankfully for me, like I have the New York Dasian
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 5: Film Festival to be able to work and like some
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 5: sort of capacity to film where I can actually effectively,
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 5: you know, help people enjoy like these amazing films.
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and I mean also, I think to picking and
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 4: choosing is really good because I did the same thing
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 4: where I would just say yes to every project. Yeah
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 4: that's bad. I mean I told you the stories. Yeah,
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 4: you know the guy the director waking up late on
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 4: their shoot the morning.
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 5: Of and uh three hours later is still.
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 4: Not that Yeah, yeah, because you if I overslept, I'm
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 4: coming now.
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 5: And it's like the time he was those story too.
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 4: Yeah exactly, yeah, but he did yeah, he did stuff too.
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 4: But like and then the guy I was talking about
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 4: forgot the key and it's just you know, it's like
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 4: one thing after another after and eventually you're like, what
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 4: the hell Colon the locksmith doesn't work? And you know,
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 4: it's all that good stuff.
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 5: Yeah, the whole it's like what am I doing this for?
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 4: Exactly? Yeah, and then you get you get burned out
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 4: and there and you know again, you know, weach have
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 4: our own stories about getting burned out. And so, so
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 4: what are your plans for the rest of this year?
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 4: Like what what what are you hoping to Right now?
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 5: It's just mainly focusing on the New York Asian Film Festival.
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 5: Uh where actually next this coming week? Uh, we've been
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 5: we've been doing this basically like a YouTube like chat show,
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 5: talk show.
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 3: We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 3: and now back to the.
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 4: Show called naf Chat and y a f F Chat.
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 5: And we we started with like a few episodes, like
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 5: we're starting to get into the groove of things, and
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 5: this week we're going to be having having a guest
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 5: come in and I'm actually gonna be directing the latest episode.
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 4: So this is.
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 5: Actually my my return to the director's chair.
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 4: See see, I knew you.
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 5: Were going to drop a bombshell, So so I am
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 5: like directing again. Like the last thing I directed was
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 5: with a friend of mine named Stefan Versy.
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 4: We did a music.
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 5: Video for our friend Baron called The Remedy and you
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 5: know that was, Oh my god. I'm trying to think
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 5: of like how long.
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 4: Ago that was. Had to be like three or four years.
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 5: Which is funny because like even though I haven't really
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 5: done anything like you know, super big in film, it's
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 5: just really been helping out with the New York Asian
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 5: people still ask me like, oh, like what are you
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 5: gonna do next, or like if I take a trip
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 5: to LA They're like, oh, except for work, Like so
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 5: like just even like with like friends of mine, like
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 5: they they want me to get back in they know
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 5: what I'm capable of. So, you know, naf chat with
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 5: New York Asian Film Festival, I'm gonna be back in
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 5: the director's seat directing those. Our next guest is Kanji
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 5: fu Tachi, who's he's kind of like one of those
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 5: like that guys in Japanese movies. He was in our
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 5: our Audience Award winner last year called Too Young to Die.
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 5: And we're gonna be filming it at Film Movement, who's
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 5: distributing Kanji's new film Harmonium.
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 4: To the US, So.
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 5: We're gonna be interviewing him there and they're in their
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 5: uh in their office space.
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 4: So it's gonna be it's gonna be fun. You know.
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 5: It's like I've heard of this guy. I've seen movies
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 5: that that's you know, he's been in. So technically I'm
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 5: gonna be like directing him for this like talk show.
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 4: So what what what are you gonna say? Like what
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 4: types of directions are you gonna give him, like like
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 4: talk louder and just be like, uh, I'm trying to
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 4: make a joke here, but yeah, it's my people tempt
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 4: of humor. Like I I remember I always used to
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 4: say as a joke, I would tell people like a
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 4: directing tip is always to say things that mean nothing.
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 4: She was to make yourself you know what I mean,
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 4: Like I don't really believe that this is a chair. Yeah,
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 4: you know what I mean. And it's like what the
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 4: We're gonna make it more? Well, it's like it doesn't
• 1:52:44
  Speaker 4: really mean anything, but.
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 5: Well, this kind of like just like started because you know,
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 5: I didn't really like have any plans to to direct
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 5: or anything for for this project. It was just kind
• 1:52:55
  Speaker 5: of actually coming from me like giving them like a
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 5: lot of feedback. Like there'd just be like you know,
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 5: certain like these like nervous ticks that they would do,
• 1:53:04
  Speaker 5: like on the camera, or like one of the guys
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 5: would have like their arms folded the entire time, like no,
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 5: unfold your arms, and like just like one where they
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 5: were drinking beer and like the the comp the beer
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 5: like logo is on the cup and like like don't
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 5: don't drink at don't drink the beer, like just just
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 5: leave it there, let it be a prop in front
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 5: of you. You don't have to keep drinking it while you're talking.
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 5: And you know, just like offering feedback about like body
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 5: language and you know, like eye contact amongst you know them,
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 5: and you know, just like the spacing in between them.
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 5: Like it's kind of like even though having like done
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 5: film in a while, like all this stuff is like
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 5: coming back to me.
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 4: I'm looking at the camera, I'm looking at the.
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 5: You're doing it all wrong, and just like I just
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 5: want to like yell at everybody and flip a table
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 5: and are you.
• 1:53:53
  Speaker 4: Gonna start wearing like like leather chaps and have a
• 1:53:56
  Speaker 4: riding crop like the old fashioned directors? Yes, and just
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 4: like a slave driver exactly Berat with a bullhorn and
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 4: leather chaps and a horse. Wep, Yeah, like a riding crop.
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 4: So you just always like can you always slap because
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 4: that's what you do, You slap it against your your
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 4: leather chaps.
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 5: Cecils de Ville or something like that, one of those
• 1:54:17
  Speaker 5: old timey you know director exactly.
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I have like the big megaphone.
• 1:54:22
  Speaker 5: Yeah, you're like two feet away from the actors like
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 5: we are right now.
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 4: Yeah, And it was like screaming at and like god
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 4: damn powers, like just just calm down.
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 5: You can't work with any of these, oh now, you
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 5: can't hear how your ear drums blown up. So it's
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 5: just kind of like stuff like that, and uh, you
• 1:54:41
  Speaker 5: know where we're you know, we're trying to do something
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 5: new because the festival just happens once a year. We
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 5: also do the Old School Kung Fu Fest, which is
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 5: like a program that we used to do a while back.
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 5: We recently bought it back for like the last like
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 5: h less like three years, so it's like okay, so
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 5: essentially we're just doing the New York Asian Film Festival
• 1:55:04
  Speaker 5: and the Old School Kung Fu Festival. So it's like
• 1:55:08
  Speaker 5: rest of the year, it's kind of like there's it's
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 5: just like this big gap. So we're we're doing you know,
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 5: napchat to like fill that gap. So like there's a
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 5: presence for us throughout the year to get the word
• 1:55:23
  Speaker 5: out about the festival. Uh you know, we're also actually
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 5: I'm also in charge of their Instagram, so it's like
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 5: me and like a few other people who are you know,
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 5: just trying to like again like just like fill that
• 1:55:37
  Speaker 5: like time that like nothing's happening with something I say.
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 5: So people are aware of us because it's a really
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 5: unique situation because you know, the The group that you
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 5: know puts us all together is called Subway Cinema, And
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 5: it's kind of like, well, how do you market like
• 1:55:52
  Speaker 5: a group that just does like film programs and like,
• 1:55:56
  Speaker 5: we don't have our own theater. Usually, like if you
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 5: hear about like something like Fantastic Fat like that happens
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 5: at the Almood Draft House, they have their own theater
• 1:56:03
  Speaker 5: and you know, these groups that put them on. It's
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 5: not like it's not like people you know, like talk
• 1:56:10
  Speaker 5: about Subway Cinema or anything like that. It's a really unique,
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 5: you know, thing to market. So we're just kind of like, okay, well,
• 1:56:17
  Speaker 5: what's the potential that we have here? Because we know
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 5: people love the festival. We have like these like you know,
• 1:56:24
  Speaker 5: like a list you know Asian you know, guests coming in,
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 5: and it's kind of like, okay, well what can we
• 1:56:30
  Speaker 5: do so people like know who we are and like
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 5: if we do like a special event like a old
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 5: school Kung Fu fest or in the past, uh, you know,
• 1:56:38
  Speaker 5: we've we've also had the New York Korean Film Festival.
• 1:56:41
  Speaker 4: So how do we get.
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 5: People to you know, piggyback from the New York Asian
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 5: Film Festival to go to these other stuff that we're doing,
• 1:56:47
  Speaker 5: or sometimes we might do like a one off screening.
• 1:56:50
  Speaker 5: So one of the great things about New York Asian.
• 1:56:56
  Speaker 4: Is the audience. They're really passionate about these films.
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 5: They really you know, know, you know so much about
• 1:57:02
  Speaker 5: these actors, actresses and directors and everybody. And just like
• 1:57:07
  Speaker 5: for me, how working with New York Asian as a
• 1:57:12
  Speaker 5: volunteer to a staff member, like I have always been
• 1:57:16
  Speaker 5: constantly in contact with the audience because we do like
• 1:57:19
  Speaker 5: you know, prize giveaways and like the Audience Award. So
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 5: like when they hand this like stuff back, you know,
• 1:57:24
  Speaker 5: they're either you know, giving us feedback or like, I'm
• 1:57:27
  Speaker 5: just curious, you know, you know why these people are coming.
• 1:57:31
  Speaker 5: How did they find out about it? Because you know,
• 1:57:33
  Speaker 5: I just I heard through word of mouth, Like how
• 1:57:35
  Speaker 5: do these people find out about it? That's I'm like
• 1:57:38
  Speaker 5: really curious. And you know what keeps them coming back,
• 1:57:41
  Speaker 5: Like we have our hardcore people, you know, coming in,
• 1:57:43
  Speaker 5: and we have like friends like my friend Christina who
• 1:57:46
  Speaker 5: flies in from like Texas, you know, every year for
• 1:57:50
  Speaker 5: the New York Asian Film Festival. So you know, feedback
• 1:57:53
  Speaker 5: from the audience is a big, big thing. It's like
• 1:57:58
  Speaker 5: you know, you don't know what you're doing right or
• 1:58:01
  Speaker 5: doing wrong unless you get that feedback. And it's crucial.
• 1:58:03
  Speaker 5: And you know, some of these people end up you know,
• 1:58:05
  Speaker 5: becoming friends of mine, like hanging out with them, and hey,
• 1:58:08
  Speaker 5: it's also a great way to network too. There's been
• 1:58:12
  Speaker 5: some like interesting people that like who who are in
• 1:58:15
  Speaker 5: the business, who come every year. They just want to
• 1:58:17
  Speaker 5: watch movies and they love you know, you know, the
• 1:58:21
  Speaker 5: different you know genres that we that we include from
• 1:58:25
  Speaker 5: all the different countries and stuff. And recently we're taking
• 1:58:28
  Speaker 5: more of a focus on like uh, I think Southeast Asia,
• 1:58:32
  Speaker 5: Like there's like we're showing more Filipino movies and like
• 1:58:37
  Speaker 5: from Vietnam and stuff like that, not just like Japan, Korea, China,
• 1:58:41
  Speaker 5: Hong Kong, which everybody knows and loves. So we're we're
• 1:58:46
  Speaker 5: really broadening our scope, uh these days. I know, like
• 1:58:50
  Speaker 5: for instance, last year, like we brought like one of
• 1:58:52
  Speaker 5: the biggest you know Filipino actors, John Cruse, John Lloyd
• 1:58:55
  Speaker 5: Cruz you know, to the festival and you know, really
• 1:59:00
  Speaker 5: showing people what you know, what's being offered in all
• 1:59:05
  Speaker 5: these different Asian countries and you know, so far the
• 1:59:08
  Speaker 5: feedback has been like amazing. You know, back in the day,
• 1:59:11
  Speaker 5: we showed a lot of genre movies and now you know,
• 1:59:15
  Speaker 5: we're sixteen years old. If we're having our kinston Yetta,
• 1:59:17
  Speaker 5: oh you know, we're we're maturing. So you know, it's
• 1:59:23
  Speaker 5: it's becoming evident in the festival itself, you know, as
• 1:59:27
  Speaker 5: you know, some genre movies they're just not as good
• 1:59:29
  Speaker 5: as they used to be. So you know, we're we're
• 1:59:32
  Speaker 5: just just doing our best to bring like the best quality,
• 1:59:36
  Speaker 5: you know, Asian films, you know, to to North America
• 1:59:40
  Speaker 5: for people to enjoy.
• 1:59:42
  Speaker 4: If you ever want a recommendation for a fun Filipino movie,
• 1:59:46
  Speaker 4: uh huh, check out for Your Height only starring Whang Wang.
• 1:59:51
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• 1:59:57
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• 2:00:00
  Speaker 4: Oh I'm well, weard Okay, I was gonna say there
• 2:00:03
  Speaker 4: was actually I was in New York and somebody actually
• 2:00:06
  Speaker 4: had and we were at a film festival and somebody
• 2:00:08
  Speaker 4: actually had a shirt that just said Wang Wang and
• 2:00:11
  Speaker 4: it's just a picture of him, and I wow, I
• 2:00:13
  Speaker 4: wonder how many people other than complete film nerds with
• 2:00:17
  Speaker 4: no life like me, know who to help Wang Wan? Well,
• 2:00:20
  Speaker 4: you see, you know who.
• 2:00:21
  Speaker 5: Yeah, you know that's like one of the original like
• 2:00:23
  Speaker 5: YouTube viral videos.
• 2:00:26
  Speaker 4: So Thata guy.
• 2:00:28
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's it for people just like oh it's that
• 2:00:31
  Speaker 5: like that like Midget from wherever that like does kung
• 2:00:34
  Speaker 5: fu and he's like a James Bond guy.
• 2:00:36
  Speaker 4: Yeah, for your height only. And then the sequel was
• 2:00:40
  Speaker 4: I forget what it was called. It was like another
• 2:00:42
  Speaker 4: kind of like a spoof name.
• 2:00:43
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 2:00:43
  Speaker 4: I think it was all a spoof of the spy
• 2:00:45
  Speaker 4: who loves Me? Yeah, I think it.
• 2:00:47
  Speaker 5: Was maybe the the the way way who loved Me.
• 2:00:50
  Speaker 5: I don't know, well, but uh but yeah, that but
• 2:00:53
  Speaker 5: that's my recommendation. But all kinding aside though that it's
• 2:00:57
  Speaker 5: great though that you're having your kinsinnia and that you
• 2:00:59
  Speaker 5: know again yeah not you personally, but sweet sixteen.
• 2:01:04
  Speaker 4: But but no, because again, it's always great to see
• 2:01:08
  Speaker 4: these different films from other cultures, which is why I'm
• 2:01:10
  Speaker 4: always against when art becomes homogeneous and all and art
• 2:01:13
  Speaker 4: becomes like this thing where you have to follow these
• 2:01:15
  Speaker 4: set of guidelines and rules. No, you have to be
• 2:01:18
  Speaker 4: like Neo and the Matrix. Anyone who tells you that shit,
• 2:01:21
  Speaker 4: okay mare at the end, when Neo becomes the one
• 2:01:23
  Speaker 4: you have to look up and just hold up your
• 2:01:25
  Speaker 4: hand and say no and let it all go away.
• 2:01:29
  Speaker 4: And that's what you have to do and totally because
• 2:01:32
  Speaker 4: otherwise we're all just gonna be sitting around watching the
• 2:01:36
  Speaker 4: same art that that everybody else has that you know
• 2:01:39
  Speaker 4: and we and it's just gonna be the same movie
• 2:01:41
  Speaker 4: no where where you are, and you can't have that.
• 2:01:42
  Speaker 4: It's it's gonna be an expression of your culture, expression
• 2:01:45
  Speaker 4: of yourself, and it's it's all that good stuff. That's
• 2:01:47
  Speaker 4: why I'm glad you know that there's there's film festivals
• 2:01:50
  Speaker 4: like this out there and just to get sort of
• 2:01:52
  Speaker 4: a different vibe. And you know, America is the melting
• 2:01:54
  Speaker 4: pot and it's a yes, here's many. I mean, you
• 2:01:59
  Speaker 4: can in America. You can go out and grab some
• 2:02:02
  Speaker 4: Mexican food, watch an Asian American film festival. You get
• 2:02:06
  Speaker 4: the First Amendment right, so you can talk shoot on people.
• 2:02:08
  Speaker 4: God bless the First Amendment right, because if it was
• 2:02:09
  Speaker 4: the First Amendment right, wasn't around.
• 2:02:11
  Speaker 5: I mean, you know me, I just love the fans
• 2:02:13
  Speaker 5: would be screwed exactly. Wrestling fans would be done many
• 2:02:17
  Speaker 5: which about raw every Monday, slant them slant, there's a lie. Yeah,
• 2:02:24
  Speaker 5: and some of these wrestlers with these shooting interviews, they
• 2:02:27
  Speaker 5: would they would be gone to. Well now it's all podcasts,
• 2:02:30
  Speaker 5: so there's there's no like shoot interviews because they go
• 2:02:33
  Speaker 5: on stead of getting paid by like some guy to
• 2:02:36
  Speaker 5: film them, like do a shoot interview, now they're just
• 2:02:38
  Speaker 5: like going for free on a podcast.
• 2:02:40
  Speaker 4: I bet see.
• 2:02:40
  Speaker 5: I don't get that, Like, I don't understand why they
• 2:02:42
  Speaker 5: would do that, Like it has to be a reason
• 2:02:44
  Speaker 5: for it.
• 2:02:45
  Speaker 4: I have a theory because like Honkey talk Man, now,
• 2:02:47
  Speaker 4: for instance, you're the hockey talk band, right, Oh yeah,
• 2:02:49
  Speaker 4: so he goes around to like these places are just
• 2:02:52
  Speaker 4: us live shows. And I know I know Bruce Pittricks
• 2:02:54
  Speaker 4: doing the exact same thing.
• 2:02:56
  Speaker 5: And by the way, I want to give a shout
• 2:02:58
  Speaker 5: out to Connie Connor who does a Bruce Picture podcast.
• 2:03:01
  Speaker 4: Now, he did the Brick Flair podcast.
• 2:03:03
  Speaker 5: I actually we follow each other on Twitter and he's
• 2:03:06
  Speaker 5: actually a really good guy, so shout out to him. Uh.
• 2:03:09
  Speaker 4: He's actually supported the podcast a lot nice so uh.
• 2:03:12
  Speaker 4: And also I don't want to mention any names, but
• 2:03:14
  Speaker 4: there's a person who's involved with wrestling who's a potential
• 2:03:17
  Speaker 4: guest so I'm just closing in. Okay, now you know
• 2:03:19
  Speaker 4: who I'm talking about the days you already told me
• 2:03:21
  Speaker 4: about you. No, No, I don't know. I just want
• 2:03:23
  Speaker 4: to make sure that it's another Dave and so so yeah, so, uh,
• 2:03:28
  Speaker 4: what do you think about Twin Peaks Tomorrow? It's Saturday
• 2:03:30
  Speaker 4: when we're recording this, I'm so, what do you think
• 2:03:32
  Speaker 4: about Twin My God, I can't wait. I think it's
• 2:03:34
  Speaker 4: gonna be freaking amazed. Yeah.
• 2:03:36
  Speaker 5: Like I remember, like as a kid, like I didn't
• 2:03:39
  Speaker 5: even know I was a David Lynch fan. I would
• 2:03:41
  Speaker 5: watch like the Elpha Man, I'm like, this movie is great,
• 2:03:44
  Speaker 5: and and I didn't see Racerhead until like years later,
• 2:03:47
  Speaker 5: but uh uh, a friend of mine brought my attention
• 2:03:51
  Speaker 5: to like Blue Velvet, and that's like when I like
• 2:03:54
  Speaker 5: knew who directed it, and I'm like, this guy's good.
• 2:03:58
  Speaker 4: And because you watched it, you know it's good. But
• 2:04:02
  Speaker 4: when you're that age, you don't know why it's good.
• 2:04:05
  Speaker 5: Yeah, you just you just It's just like a Jena
• 2:04:08
  Speaker 5: se Quah, when when something works out like it's it's
• 2:04:11
  Speaker 5: evident to anyone. You don't have to have a film
• 2:04:14
  Speaker 5: background to appreciate somebody's art or anything like that.
• 2:04:17
  Speaker 4: You just watch it and like you just know it's good. Yeah.
• 2:04:20
  Speaker 4: My movie was Big From a Little China, which is
• 2:04:22
  Speaker 4: still my favorite movie of all time. Like I remember
• 2:04:24
  Speaker 4: watching that movie as a kid and being like, this
• 2:04:26
  Speaker 4: is fucking awesome and I don't know name here, and
• 2:04:28
  Speaker 4: I don't know why it's awesome because I was a kid. Yeah,
• 2:04:30
  Speaker 4: but it's just fucking cool. Yeah. So Dave, we've been
• 2:04:35
  Speaker 4: talking for about two hours now, Jesus Christ. Yes, sir
• 2:04:38
  Speaker 4: zero is usually like an hour. Yeah, there's about an
• 2:04:40
  Speaker 4: hour or so to take.
• 2:04:42
  Speaker 5: So I'm just gonna put this one episode, Okay, So
• 2:04:45
  Speaker 5: in closing, any final thoughts, just come out June thirtieth
• 2:04:50
  Speaker 5: through July fifteenth to Film Society Lincoln Center as well
• 2:04:55
  Speaker 5: as SBA Theater for the sixteenth annual New York Asian
• 2:04:59
  Speaker 5: Film Festival.
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  Speaker 4: And we're and I'm gonna link down the show notes everybody.
• 2:05:03
  Speaker 4: I really again, I just want to encourage everyone to attend. Uh.
• 2:05:07
  Speaker 4: It is a really great festival, and I'm just it's
• 2:05:10
  Speaker 4: just again serendipitous that Dave happened to be uh you know,
• 2:05:13
  Speaker 4: uh now an actual staff member for it. But again,
• 2:05:15
  Speaker 4: I encourage everyone to attend. It's a great festival. I
• 2:05:18
  Speaker 4: actually heard about it a few years ago, uh from
• 2:05:20
  Speaker 4: a friend of mine. Uh and it was just at
• 2:05:23
  Speaker 4: James Hong. You know James Hong. No, uh he was
• 2:05:27
  Speaker 4: so he was like Wayne's Uh he was Wayne's girlfriend's
• 2:05:32
  Speaker 4: dad and Wayne's World too. Uh he was Uh he
• 2:05:36
  Speaker 4: was a little pan and take pictro of a little
• 2:05:38
  Speaker 4: ch Oh. Yeah, well so uh he but yeah, I
• 2:05:43
  Speaker 4: was that he brought up the festival.
• 2:05:45
  Speaker 5: Uh no he I was actually had a thing for
• 2:05:47
  Speaker 5: him and somebody else there brough up the festival. Okay,
• 2:05:49
  Speaker 5: So so.
• 2:05:49
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know why I went for Wayne's World
• 2:05:51
  Speaker 4: to first set of anything.
• 2:05:55
  Speaker 5: Yeah, Wayne's is it a kung fu panda? Like I
• 2:05:58
  Speaker 5: bring up Wade's World too. Yeah, I'm gonna link to
• 2:06:01
  Speaker 5: all that in the show notes. Everybody and Dave, where
• 2:06:03
  Speaker 5: can we will find you out online? I think like
• 2:06:06
  Speaker 5: best right now is just to follow all the New
• 2:06:09
  Speaker 5: York nation social media outlets on Instagram. We're New York
• 2:06:14
  Speaker 5: Asian Film Festival, one big word Facebook, just like the
• 2:06:19
  Speaker 5: New York Asian Film Festival. You'll find us through there.
• 2:06:22
  Speaker 4: What else? We also got Twitter, which is just at Subway.
• 2:06:25
  Speaker 5: Cinema, which is like our mother company, and like if
• 2:06:28
  Speaker 5: you contact like any of those outlets, you can get
• 2:06:30
  Speaker 5: a hold of me.
• 2:06:32
  Speaker 4: All right. So, because I noticed that Davi is it
• 2:06:35
  Speaker 4: on Twitter as much as he used to be.
• 2:06:36
  Speaker 5: No, it's like some old photo of me shaking hands
• 2:06:38
  Speaker 5: with nose Ferazi.
• 2:06:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly.
• 2:06:40
  Speaker 5: I have been like, I don't even remember the last
• 2:06:41
  Speaker 5: time I posted on there that that was how I
• 2:06:44
  Speaker 5: remember you. I was like, Man, Dave shaking hands with
• 2:06:46
  Speaker 5: nose Feratus.
• 2:06:48
  Speaker 4: That's why I want to remember you for the rest
• 2:06:49
  Speaker 4: of you my life, just.
• 2:06:50
  Speaker 5: You know, a benefactor for from my projects.
• 2:06:55
  Speaker 4: Public domain. Come on, baby, Dave Powers. It's been awesome
• 2:07:00
  Speaker 4: having you on man.
• 2:07:02
  Speaker 5: We've been talking for so long online first yes, and
• 2:07:05
  Speaker 5: then we finally got to meet today and we did
• 2:07:07
  Speaker 5: the podcast.
• 2:07:07
  Speaker 4: It's been awesome having you on man.
• 2:07:09
  Speaker 5: Yes, so irresistible. Force me to see imovable objects seriously.
• 2:07:13
  Speaker 5: It's like Hogan Warrior. Yes.
• 2:07:15
  Speaker 4: Now I want to bring you back on seriously because
• 2:07:17
  Speaker 4: I want to see what you're up to, and then
• 2:07:19
  Speaker 4: I should keep myself accountable too. And as we get
• 2:07:22
  Speaker 4: back into doing this man, as we take some of
• 2:07:24
  Speaker 4: the Warriors advice and just go out there and just
• 2:07:27
  Speaker 4: do it. Maybe I always believe, always believe. Dave. Thanks
• 2:07:31
  Speaker 4: a lot, Mom, thank you for having me man.
• 2:07:33
  Speaker 2: I want to thank Dave so much for doing such
• 2:07:35
  Speaker 2: a great job on this episode. If you want to
• 2:07:37
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