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HR1: Live from Training Camp 2026 Day 10 · In the Locker Room presented by Neighborhood Ford Store (Pittsburgh Steelers)

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Speaker 3: training camp. Rob King will be subbing in. I'm subbing
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Speaker 3: in for Rob King, I should say. Rob will be
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Speaker 3: joining us here in just a few minutes working out
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Speaker 3: some technical stuff on our back end. But we're being
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Speaker 3: joined with his co host Max Stark's here in the
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Speaker 3: locker room and Mack you Max, you had an exciting
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Speaker 3: night with some Hall of Famers.
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Speaker 4: It was a wonderful, wonderful, wonderul wonderful night. Yeah, left
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Speaker 4: here a you know, hour number two of the show
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Speaker 4: and started driving uh to Canton, Ohio. Obviously Hall of
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Speaker 4: Fame weekend. We saw the game two days ago. Last
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Speaker 4: night was the Gold Jacket dinner and ceremony, and tonight,
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Speaker 4: of course the Hall of Famers will get their bust
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Speaker 4: and they'll get their speeches in Canton from h Tom
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Speaker 4: Benson Stadium. But it was nice to go because my agent,
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Speaker 4: you know, those were listening yesterday his dad got the
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Speaker 4: Pete Roselle Award posthumously, so my agent spoke on his
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Speaker 4: dad's behalf. And it was cool because I've been to
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Speaker 4: the Gold Jacket ceremony twice, you know, once for Jerome
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Speaker 4: when he went in and.
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Speaker 2: Then post COVID the Double Class twenty twenty twenty one.
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Speaker 4: So so Coach Cower, Alan Troy, Bill Nunn, Donnisha, all
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Speaker 4: of those guys went in in that superclass.
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Speaker 2: So that was a second. But it was funny because
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Speaker 2: I was sitting.
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Speaker 4: I normally sat in the stands like the in the
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Speaker 4: in the Canton civic centers where they hold it, but
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Speaker 4: this time, because I was there with my A, I
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Speaker 4: sat at a table on the on the floor level.
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Speaker 4: And that was really really cool to experience because they
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Speaker 4: had a record last night. One hundred and twenty guys
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Speaker 4: came back, So it was just awesome just to see
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Speaker 4: a the number of guys that showed up of the
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Speaker 4: three hundred and eighty seven, but more importantly all the
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Speaker 4: Steeler legends that were in a ten last night. So
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Speaker 4: it was just great. I mean, saw Lynn Swann, saw
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Speaker 4: Joe Green, Donnie Shell, and then of course like you
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Speaker 4: go to my Mel Blunt, then my contemporaries, you know, Alan,
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Speaker 4: Alan Troy wasn't there, DERMONDI Dawson, Coach Cower, and so
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Speaker 4: it was just really cool to just see all of
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Speaker 4: those individuals mixed in with a group of guys. I mean,
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Speaker 4: now I was telling you this off air, like I'm
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Speaker 4: looking at I'm like, man, I played.
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Speaker 2: Against a lot of these guys, Like I was in
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Speaker 2: the league the.
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Speaker 4: Same time as these guys, So what does that say
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Speaker 4: about me that I feel older?
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Speaker 5: You know?
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Speaker 2: Am I.
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Speaker 4: You know, I'm blessed that that kind of this era
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Speaker 4: of guys is starting to go in. You know, I
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Speaker 4: was drafted with Larry in two thousand and four and
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Speaker 4: we had the same agent our.
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Speaker 2: Whole career is Gene Parker.
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Speaker 4: So it's like to see that and you know the
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Speaker 4: emotion behind it. Play, you know, play trust me to
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Speaker 4: much chagrin. Adam Vinteri has thwarted many of many of
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Speaker 4: campaigns against New England when I played, when when played
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Speaker 4: against him, and then of course when he went to
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Speaker 4: the Colts. So it's it was it was like really
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Speaker 4: cool and Roger Craig, I mean both of us were
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Speaker 4: talking about we caught the back half of his career
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Speaker 4: and just what he was as a player, and finally
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Speaker 4: getting in, uh was awesome. And then Drew too many
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Speaker 4: times with Drew but yes, Drew Brees goes in as
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Speaker 4: a fifth member. It's just it was just it was
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Speaker 4: just crazy and cool to see because a lot of
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Speaker 4: the guys you think of, like a Bobby Bell, Like
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Speaker 4: I didn't watch Bobby Bell play, you know, Willie Lanier
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Speaker 4: and and you know Ricky Jackson, Larry Zanka, right, I
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Speaker 4: didn't see these guys play and so against them, Yeah, exact, Yeah,
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Speaker 4: letlone play against him.
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Speaker 5: Yeh.
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Speaker 4: Jon Stiner Rou like, yeah, you remember those man Boy
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Speaker 4: Golden toe jon Stiner Roo. Yeah, did not see Jan
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Speaker 4: stener Roo play, you know, but I did see more
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Speaker 4: than Anderson.
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Speaker 2: A little bit. I mean listened that single bar was
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Speaker 2: crazy back in the day for a k and that
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Speaker 2: was the old school luck buddy, Yeah it was. But
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Speaker 2: but yeah, it's just and you realize.
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Speaker 4: Just the history of this game, the vast history, but
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Speaker 4: like the moments these players invoked in your mind and
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Speaker 4: you see it's no question why they have a golden jacket, right,
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Speaker 4: and why they're immortalized in Canton, Ohio. I mean, these
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Speaker 4: were the best of the best of the best of
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Speaker 4: the best. You know, there was a lot of you know,
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Speaker 4: Rich Eisen was was hosting the show, and he was
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Speaker 4: just talking about was like there's another one, one of one's,
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Speaker 4: you know, and like it's the countless numbers. Like I'm like,
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Speaker 4: you know, when Emmitt Smith comes out, like the number
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Speaker 4: one rushing you know, running back of all time, and
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Speaker 4: I'm like, well he's a Gator, so love it.
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Speaker 2: He's from Pensacola, Florida boy that checks your box, Yeah,
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Speaker 2: checks my box. And I was a huge m Smith's
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Speaker 2: fan back in the day. Of course. Yeah, in the nineties.
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Speaker 2: Who wasn't an Emmitt Smith fan?
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Speaker 4: Just like in the eighties, who wasn't a Roger Craig fan.
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Speaker 4: So it's like it was Roger Craig's sweetness. I mean,
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Speaker 4: but Roger Craig was up there the high knees and
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Speaker 4: you know running.
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Speaker 3: I never liked the Cowboys, but I did like Emmett
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Speaker 3: oh yeah, and Mike Orbin that that whole team was hard.
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Speaker 2: I liked the players.
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Speaker 4: It was tough to root for the logo because I mean,
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Speaker 4: you had to like Troy you know, you had you
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Speaker 4: had like Michael Irvin. You had you had to like
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Speaker 4: Mary Allen, Larry I mean, god, listen, listen the Hogs
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Speaker 4: up front.
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Speaker 2: Listen.
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Speaker 4: Larry Allen and Nate Newton were my favorite two girls.
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Speaker 4: Nate Newton also Orlando boy went to Jones High School.
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Speaker 4: You know another one right.
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Speaker 2: There, shout out, shout out to Orlando.
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Speaker 4: But yeah, moos Johnston, right, I mean, and then you
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Speaker 4: had Dion on there on those teams, Charles Hayley, I mean,
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Speaker 4: you had you had so many guys that she just liked,
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Speaker 4: but it was just tough to root for.
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Speaker 2: The name of the team and the logo. So Jimmy
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Speaker 2: Johnson and the hair, right, the hair, I was I
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Speaker 2: was a little bit less Jimmy Johnson because he went
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Speaker 2: to Miami, That's right.
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Speaker 4: So yeah, so so yeah, So it was just it
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Speaker 4: was just but it was an awesome night. It was
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Speaker 4: a beautiful night. The speech my my agent, Dean Grossman
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Speaker 4: gave was fabulous talking about his dad, I mean, and
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Speaker 4: then they then they had like this little little vignette
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Speaker 4: they played, you know, for each of them, and it
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Speaker 4: was crazy to see John Madden and Pat Summraw giving
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Speaker 4: an interview about what they thought about Sandy Grosse, which
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Speaker 4: I thought was just phenomenal. I was like, man, they
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Speaker 4: went into like the archives and found something. So that
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Speaker 4: was it was just beautiful, beautiful night.
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Speaker 3: And I mean, those are two the best to talk
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Speaker 3: to when it comes to stuff like that during that
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Speaker 3: time period. Rob King, the host of this show in
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Speaker 3: the locker room now on the line. Hello, Rob, Welcome
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Speaker 3: into the locker room with your buddy Max Starks.
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Speaker 6: I'm in my own locker room right now.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I got I got my own I got
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Speaker 5: my own locker, all set up here, ready to go. Max.
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Speaker 5: I know you've been talking about this, but I just
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Speaker 5: hope you had a special great time last night.
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Speaker 4: I did, man, I I did, and.
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Speaker 2: And it was it was. It was a great time.
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Speaker 4: And I was kind of talking talking with Ed here,
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Speaker 4: you know, just seeing all of the amount of guys.
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Speaker 4: They had a record number return of gold jackets last night,
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Speaker 4: one hundred and twenty that showed up. So I was
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Speaker 4: telling him about the Steelers guys that were there, and
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Speaker 4: of course then I was saying, how, you know, this
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Speaker 4: feels weird because now I'm in the era of guys
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Speaker 4: going in, so I played against a lot of these guys.
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Speaker 4: I'm in the same age range as a lot of
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Speaker 4: these guys. So that was kind of surreal the number
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Speaker 4: of guys that were getting called in. And He's like, dude,
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Speaker 4: this dude has a has a gold I remember playing
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Speaker 4: against this guy and it felt like yesterday.
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Speaker 2: I mean, you know, Patrick Willis, Julius Peppers, Jared.
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Speaker 4: Allen, right, I mean played well, you know, loved Jonathan
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Speaker 4: Jonathan Ogden and Willie Rofe and Orlando Pace, like you know,
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Speaker 4: you're seeing all these guys and hey, actually I remember
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Speaker 4: for my rookie year playing against Jerry Rice. Right, this
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Speaker 4: crazy easy to say those type of things out loud.
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Speaker 4: You said, what he was with the Raiders. He was
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Speaker 4: with the Raiders in O four. And you know John.
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Speaker 2: Lynch, I played against John Lynch. John Lynch is a
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Speaker 2: GM Now. I used to go to John Lynch's Golf
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Speaker 2: Golf Classic in Rancho Cucamonga, you know, and down in
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Speaker 2: San Diego.
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Speaker 4: Like right, it's like, it's crazy to see all these
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Speaker 4: guys in and it was, but it's also beautiful because
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Speaker 4: it's a it's literally some of the greatest cross sections
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Speaker 4: of our sport history that was represented in that room,
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Speaker 4: and it was just a beautiful sight to see. Like
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Speaker 4: like I went to school with Thrman Thomas's kids, you know,
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Speaker 4: and I watched Thurman play Wow, you know, and Sap
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Speaker 4: SAPs from right up the way in Plymouth, Florida, which
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Speaker 4: is right outside of a Papka, which is right outside
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Speaker 4: of Orlando.
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Speaker 2: Like I I remember when.
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Speaker 4: Sap what was playing, and so it's just a really
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Speaker 4: cool and Richard Seymour took me on my official visit
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Speaker 4: at University of Georgia. You know what I'm saying, Like,
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Speaker 4: it's yeah, so it's like it's wild to see these
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Speaker 4: guys in this position. I mean, Jared Allen and I
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Speaker 4: used to roll around an mm A practice in the
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Speaker 4: off season, like when we were young pups, you know what.
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Speaker 4: And so I'm just I was really blessed and it
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Speaker 4: just gave me a lot of pride just to see
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Speaker 4: the guys going in and to see the guys.
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Speaker 2: Are already in there, just all surrounded.
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Speaker 4: I mean, Joe Thomas was there, and I remember Joe,
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Speaker 4: you know, but you feel like Joe played for the
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Speaker 4: Browns for like thirty five years, you know what I'm saying.
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Speaker 2: Like it was like every w he was the only
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Speaker 2: iron Man, him and Jim Brown. That was it.
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Speaker 4: But but he has a farm and they supplied the
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Speaker 4: meat for the dinner. You know, they supplied the beef
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Speaker 4: for the Hall of Fame, for the Gold Jacket ceremony dinner.
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Speaker 4: So that was like crazy to think, you know, he
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Speaker 4: has a farm in Wisconsin with all his cattle and
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Speaker 4: was able to provide the meal. So it's just it
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Speaker 4: was just those type of moments, those type of occasions,
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Speaker 4: and it's just where football. You kind of take a
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Speaker 4: breath and look back at the grandeur of this game,
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Speaker 4: the history of this game, and the significance of this game.
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Speaker 4: And also, you know, it's the official kickoff of the
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Speaker 4: NFL football season when the Hall of Fame activities, not
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Speaker 4: only the game, but the activities around the Hall of
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Speaker 4: Fame come into purview because that's the official start of
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Speaker 4: preseason and that means football is now back and dominates
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Speaker 4: our lives for the next few months.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, it is.
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Speaker 5: It's wonderful. It is such a great kickoff. It's an
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Speaker 5: awesome place. You know, you can always you can find
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Speaker 5: us one since to swing by on the way there.
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Speaker 5: Always good. Have you been to those, Max?
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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I've been to Swinsons, but I was more
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Speaker 4: I was more intrigued by the handles ice cream.
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Speaker 2: Uh that that that that.
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Speaker 4: Sustained me on my drive. So I'm really appreciated of
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Speaker 4: the of those. Yeah, because I had the dinner I
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Speaker 4: had had at the Hall of Fame beef from Joe Thomas,
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Speaker 4: So you know, I couldn't necessarily have a Slinsons burger,
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Speaker 4: you know after that, U that would ruin the short
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Speaker 4: rid that they provided.
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Speaker 5: Oh yeah, we see the chef or something.
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Speaker 4: Joe Thomas, No, he wasn't the chef, but he was
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Speaker 4: a he's a cattle rancher. Now he does Hall of
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Speaker 4: Fame Farms and they and they produce a certified Angus beef.
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Speaker 4: So yeah, his his farms was the one that supplied
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Speaker 4: the beef for the event.
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Speaker 5: That is tremendous.
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Speaker 6: That is so good.
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Speaker 5: Why would you go anywhere else? Right?
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Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, a Hall of Fame dinner from a Hall
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Speaker 4: of Famer, you know, get the get the beef from
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Speaker 4: the Hall of Famer, you know.
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Speaker 5: So Max, yesterday we both agreed, probably without I mean
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Speaker 5: just sort of, I don't know, we agreed that.
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Speaker 6: If you make the All Decade Team, you.
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Speaker 5: Probably belong in the Hall of Fame. I Actually, I
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Speaker 5: think we got a little stronger than that. I think
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Speaker 5: we said you belong in the Hall of Fame.
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Speaker 4: And all the guys that got selected yesterday are all
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Speaker 4: numbers of All Decade teams.
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Speaker 5: Okay, So here's what we're gonna do. We're gonna do
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Speaker 5: two things to have a little Hall of Fame chat,
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Speaker 5: and then we'll turn our attention to the Steelers and
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Speaker 5: what's going on tonight in Latrobe. A fun night for fans,
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Speaker 5: fun night, I think for the team and the players.
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Speaker 6: So two things.
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Speaker 5: One, ESPN came out with a list of players from
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Speaker 5: each team who are shoeings for the Hall of Fame
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Speaker 5: and who are on the cusp of the Hall of
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Speaker 5: Fame maybe need some work to get into the Hall
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Speaker 5: of Fame. I want to go over that list with you,
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Speaker 5: and then I want to take your era. So you
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Speaker 5: you you know, you're one of those guys. You played
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Speaker 5: in the aughts and you played in the tens, so
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Speaker 5: that's you know, we I think we touched on that briefly.
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Speaker 5: Maybe it was Wess and because Wes and I dug
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Speaker 5: into the twenty ten All Decade Team ten to twenty,
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Speaker 5: that was I think Wes's probably Wes's heyday. I want
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Speaker 5: to go back to your heyday as a player. You
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Speaker 5: did play in the tens, but I'm gonna go into
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Speaker 5: that earlier decade now. Again, keep in mind, there are
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Speaker 5: guys that are just in that awkward place. If you
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Speaker 5: played from two thousand and five to twenty fifteen, if
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Speaker 5: you played from two thousand and six to twenty fifteen,
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Speaker 5: it's hard to make either all decade teams.
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Speaker 6: So the question.
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Speaker 5: And then what that also does is, first of all,
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Speaker 5: it removes you from the possibility perhaps of making an
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Speaker 5: All Decade team, unless you're just over the top brilliant.
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Speaker 6: But if you're merely great, right.
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Speaker 5: Which is still good enough for the Hall of Fame,
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Speaker 5: you could be precluded from being on that team by
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Speaker 5: the same token that might get somebody onto the team
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Speaker 5: that maybe not wouldn't match up against one of those
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Speaker 5: sort of scraddling players. So we have a lot to
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Speaker 5: unpack here, Max. We're gonna go through the twenty ten
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Speaker 5: All Decade or two thousand to twenty ten All Decade team,
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Speaker 5: prime of your career.
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Speaker 6: We're gonna go through.
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Speaker 5: The Hall of Famers and non Hall of famers. We're
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Speaker 5: gonna kind of get your feeling on are there some
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Speaker 5: oversight here in the Hall of Fame? And we're all
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Speaker 5: still going to look at the Steelers guys who, according
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Speaker 5: to ESPN, are either in the Hall of Fame or
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Speaker 5: on the cusp of the Hall of Fame. And then
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Speaker 5: we'll turn our attention to the night practice scrimmage, that
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Speaker 5: sort of thing tonight in La Trobe. So that's what's
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Speaker 5: on the docket when we continue here, By the way,
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Speaker 5: thanks to Ed Truth for filling in for a few minutes.
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Speaker 5: That's much appreciated. Ed doing a great job, So thank
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Speaker 5: you Ed. Max Starks and I I'm Rob Kink. He's
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Speaker 5: Max Starks. We will be back in the locker room
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Speaker 5: right after this here on the Steelers Audio Network.
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Speaker 4: All right, back inside the locker room and you know
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Speaker 4: Kinger you good, Yes, sir, I'm awesome, awesome, awesome, Yeah,
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Speaker 4: Now you were talking about this let's let's let's go
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Speaker 4: in in the exercise that you wanted to present for
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Speaker 4: this segment.
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Speaker 7: I can't wait, okay, So let's start with the Wheelers, who,
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Speaker 7: according to ESPN, are in the Hall of Fame.
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Speaker 5: Maybe have some work to do, that.
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Speaker 6: Sort of thing.
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Speaker 5: So no surprise, Aaron Rodgers TJ. Watt as definitely guys
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Speaker 5: who are going to be in the Hall of Fame.
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Speaker 5: So it says Rogers requires no discussion. What Meanwhile, it
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Speaker 5: was solid as a rookie in twenty seventeen, then emerges
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Speaker 5: a star near two. He made eight straight Pro balls,
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Speaker 5: then a first team All Pro four times, one Defensive
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Speaker 5: Player of the Year in twenty twenty one. Regular season
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Speaker 5: resume obviously hasn't won a playoff game, yet regular season
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Speaker 5: resume is sufficiently substantial to ensure that he will join
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Speaker 5: JJ Watt and becoming the second set of brothers in
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Speaker 5: the Hall of Fame.
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Speaker 6: No argument there, correct.
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Speaker 2: Yep, correct.
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Speaker 5: Okay, So those guys are shoeings. Now it gets a
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Speaker 5: little more interesting to me because they have Cam Hayward
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Speaker 5: and Jalen Ramsey as on the CUSP. So he says, hey,
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Speaker 5: I covered Ramsey. I had covered Hayward's case. Last week,
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Speaker 5: Ramsey ad eight time Pro bowler, three time First Team
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Speaker 5: All Pro who was one of the best players in
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Speaker 5: a Super Bowl winning defense in Los Angeles. So the
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Speaker 5: difference between his resume and Watts really is the defensive
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Speaker 5: player of the year and TJ has one more First
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Speaker 5: Team All Pro selection, So it says if Ramsey can
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Speaker 5: manage another first Team All Pro appearance or push his
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Speaker 5: career deep into his thirties, he has a chance.
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Speaker 6: So I think this.
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Speaker 5: Is really interesting because I think both guys have very,
18:46
Speaker 5: very very good credentials to get themselves into the Hall
18:50
Speaker 5: of Fame.
18:51
Speaker 4: I do too, And I think the other thing that they,
18:53
Speaker 4: you know, they kind of discount, which is weighed heavily,
18:56
Speaker 4: is he has a Super Bowl ring as well.
18:58
Speaker 2: For Jalen rings, right, So I think that.
19:00
Speaker 4: Kind of washes out the extra All Pro nod because
19:06
Speaker 4: he has that Super Bowl ring, and that is one
19:08
Speaker 4: of those X factor stats that you were considered one
19:13
Speaker 4: of the top two to three defenders.
19:15
Speaker 2: On a team that had a very dominant.
19:19
Speaker 4: Defensive performance in the Super Bowl, you know, And so
19:23
Speaker 4: I think so for Jalen Ramsey, I think that kind
19:25
Speaker 4: of pushes him a little bit ahead of the CUSP
19:28
Speaker 4: category from that respect. So yeah, I think if Jalen
19:33
Speaker 4: just hasn't pretty much finished with a solid year, whether
19:36
Speaker 4: it's this year and next year or however much longer,
19:39
Speaker 4: but you just have solid years and you're still a
19:42
Speaker 4: starter capable.
19:43
Speaker 2: Guy, I believe he's more than a CUSP guy.
19:46
Speaker 5: Now.
19:46
Speaker 4: Do I think he's first ballot Absolutely not. And I
19:48
Speaker 4: think you know when you make the reference to Aaron
19:50
Speaker 4: Rodgers and TJ yes, those are the first ballot nods.
19:53
Speaker 4: But I think Jalen Ramsey like like we just watched
19:56
Speaker 4: with a Luke Keakley that just went in yesterday, right,
19:58
Speaker 4: he just got his gold jacket. You know, seven of
20:00
Speaker 4: his eight seasons he had one hundred tackles, and yes
20:03
Speaker 4: he was a pro bowler for seven of those years
20:06
Speaker 4: and Rookie of the Year. But you know, there is
20:10
Speaker 4: you know, there doesn't necessarily have to be a long
20:12
Speaker 4: career to justify Jalen Ramsey. He's got eight Pro Bowls
20:15
Speaker 4: in his career, he's got three All Pros, he has
20:18
Speaker 4: the Super Bowl Championship. He's considered, he was considered at
20:21
Speaker 4: one time, you know a certain stretch of about three
20:23
Speaker 4: year stretch where he was one of the best corners
20:26
Speaker 4: in the league. So and a guy that could probably
20:28
Speaker 4: play and that showed versatility and played multiple positions within
20:31
Speaker 4: the defensive structure. So you know, I look at that
20:35
Speaker 4: and I'm like that, that's a tough that's a tough Cusp.
20:38
Speaker 2: If you're talking.
20:39
Speaker 4: About Cusp, I think he's one that gets in after
20:42
Speaker 4: you know, two maybe three tries.
20:45
Speaker 5: You know. So I think it's gonna be very interesting
20:49
Speaker 5: if Cam has one or two more type years like
20:54
Speaker 5: he had a year ago, I think he could make
20:59
Speaker 5: in all deck team. So when you talk about all
21:02
Speaker 5: decade teams and the importance of all decade teams, we're
21:05
Speaker 5: kind of circling back to this. So I look at
21:08
Speaker 5: a guy like, for example, Geno Atkins. So Geno Atkins
21:12
Speaker 5: came into the NFL in twenty ten and obviously was
21:17
Speaker 5: a tremendous player, no question about Gino. He came in
21:21
Speaker 5: a year before Cam Heyward. Now again, here's your other question.
21:26
Speaker 5: Does the decade start with a zero and end with
21:29
Speaker 5: a nine or start with a one and end with
21:30
Speaker 5: a zero? And honestly, it sounds silly, but that's important
21:36
Speaker 5: when it comes to how many All pros or something
21:39
Speaker 5: does a player have. So Geno Atkins, great player again,
21:44
Speaker 5: great player, not in the Hall of Fame, but a
21:46
Speaker 5: great player.
21:47
Speaker 6: Eight not in the Hall of Fame yet.
21:48
Speaker 5: Eight time Pro Bowler okay, two time first team All Pro,
21:54
Speaker 5: and one time second team All Pro.
21:57
Speaker 6: Okay.
21:58
Speaker 5: So that's his resume. Here's the difference between he and
22:02
Speaker 5: Cam Hayward. Is that Cam Hayward, you know, hit his
22:06
Speaker 5: prime in two thousand and seventeen, right, and you know
22:12
Speaker 5: he had some very very good seasons in which he
22:16
Speaker 5: was being listed as a defensive end and not as
22:19
Speaker 5: a defensive tackle. And you know, again there's sort of
22:23
Speaker 5: a silly label, right that says, Okay, well, we're gonna
22:29
Speaker 5: compare him to other defensive ends. Well, guess what those
22:32
Speaker 5: other defensive ends are playing four to three their rush
22:35
Speaker 5: ends they're getting they're piling up fourteen fifteen sacks and
22:40
Speaker 5: making Pro Bowl teams. So that didn't happen with Cam
22:45
Speaker 5: until he had twelve sacks, which is amazing from where
22:49
Speaker 5: he's playing defensively, you know, an inside rusher, I mean,
22:53
Speaker 5: that's an incredible thing. So he didn't start making Pro
22:58
Speaker 5: Ball teams until two thousand seventeen, in which he made
23:02
Speaker 5: the Pro Bowl and was an All Pro one. So
23:07
Speaker 5: Gino Atkins was an All Pro one twice and made
23:10
Speaker 5: the All Decades Team. Cam Hayward didn't make the All
23:14
Speaker 5: Decades team from twenty too, from twenty ten to twenty nineteen,
23:19
Speaker 5: but he's already racked up four Pro Bowls in this decade,
23:23
Speaker 5: four Pro Bowls. He's a two time All Pro One
23:28
Speaker 5: in this decade, a four time All Pro one altogether.
23:31
Speaker 5: But his greatness, his peak straddled twenty twenty. So he's
23:35
Speaker 5: one of those guys exactly like we're talking about with
23:39
Speaker 5: the All Decades teams. Now, some of it's when they
23:42
Speaker 5: come into the league, but for Cam it was the
23:44
Speaker 5: recognition coming later in his career. So all this damage
23:48
Speaker 5: that he's done, you know, the different Pro Bowl appearances
23:51
Speaker 5: for him, and he's one off against seven Pro Bowls,
23:55
Speaker 5: four first team All Pros, two second team All Pros.
23:59
Speaker 5: Those have all happened since twenty seventeen. If the decade
24:03
Speaker 5: started in twenty seventeen and ended in twenty twenty six,
24:07
Speaker 5: he would be, no doubt on the All Decade Team,
24:10
Speaker 5: no question, he'd be on the All Decade Team. As
24:13
Speaker 5: in is he didn't make the last one, and I'm
24:16
Speaker 5: not sure if he's gonna make this one because of
24:18
Speaker 5: his career straddling, his greatness on the peak of his
24:21
Speaker 5: career straddling at twenty twenty mark.
24:25
Speaker 4: And you also have to throw in Walter Payton Man
24:27
Speaker 4: of the Year. That's another award accolade that gets weighed
24:30
Speaker 4: into that that happened in the twenty twenties, right, So
24:35
Speaker 4: you know, it's it's one of those It's tough because
24:38
Speaker 4: like you go from that and you say all decades,
24:41
Speaker 4: team is a shoe in you know, in a lot
24:44
Speaker 4: of cases, but you're absolutely right, Like the dominance that
24:48
Speaker 4: happens is you.
24:49
Speaker 2: Fall in that gap area.
24:51
Speaker 4: But I think for Cam it's not a matter of
24:55
Speaker 4: if it will be a win thing for him, but
24:58
Speaker 4: I think he will have a lot lesser weight than
25:03
Speaker 4: a lot of guys just because, like you said, there's
25:05
Speaker 4: a recency element to it, and like you said, he
25:08
Speaker 4: did it in two different decades and that that comes
25:12
Speaker 4: down to, you know, for him, who else is going
25:14
Speaker 4: to be on that list at the time. You know,
25:17
Speaker 4: is it going to be someone who you know, who's
25:22
Speaker 4: going to have a stronger resume when Cam hangs it
25:25
Speaker 4: up and then hits the five year mark, right, you know,
25:27
Speaker 4: are there unanimous first ballot guys that are going to
25:30
Speaker 4: come off the board the same time as him?
25:33
Speaker 2: And so I think that's really what it is.
25:35
Speaker 4: It's a shell game like Alan Fanica, Right, Alan Fanica
25:38
Speaker 4: had the same thing where he waited and waited even
25:40
Speaker 4: though the credentials were undeniable. But Allen was one of
25:43
Speaker 4: those guys came in in ninety eight when he was
25:46
Speaker 4: drafted immediate impact, you know, all rookie team and then,
25:50
Speaker 4: like you said, started making Pro Bowls consistently and then
25:53
Speaker 4: slipped into the two thousands and then still had a
25:56
Speaker 4: good start to his career in the two thousands, and
26:00
Speaker 4: I think that's kind of where we land in this process.
26:04
Speaker 4: But you know, eventually it did happen, right, It did
26:08
Speaker 4: finally come into fruition because he was a guy who
26:13
Speaker 4: was a first team All Decades team in the two thousands, right,
26:16
Speaker 4: And so you know that's one of those where you
26:19
Speaker 4: can kind of dominate a majority and the front end,
26:22
Speaker 4: which I think that's what Cam has.
26:23
Speaker 2: On his side.
26:24
Speaker 4: He dominated the beginning of the twenty twenties and has
26:28
Speaker 4: been a you know, a constant fixture through over half
26:30
Speaker 4: of it. We're down in the twenty twenty six, twenty
26:32
Speaker 4: twenty seven season, so we are, you know, three corps,
26:36
Speaker 4: you know, two thirds of the way almost almost three
26:39
Speaker 4: cords of the way through the twenty twenty decades. And
26:42
Speaker 4: he's still a significant player and still a face on
26:45
Speaker 4: this franchise.
26:47
Speaker 5: It is baffling to me that Alan Fannik had to
26:51
Speaker 5: wait that long.
26:53
Speaker 6: I can't for the life of meat.
26:55
Speaker 5: I mean, I don't understand how you can have, you know,
26:57
Speaker 5: really a much better resume than Allen had. You know
27:02
Speaker 5: what I mean. I mean, you know, here's a guy
27:03
Speaker 5: who who won a Super Bowl. He was a nine
27:06
Speaker 5: time Pro Bowl. He was in eight six, six time
27:10
Speaker 5: first team All Pro, a second time, a two times
27:12
Speaker 5: second team All Pro. I mean, just a stretch of
27:15
Speaker 5: dominance in which he was the top one or two
27:18
Speaker 5: guards in the NFL for a decade. I don't know
27:21
Speaker 5: why that makes you wait and I understand and why.
27:25
Speaker 2: Went in before him?
27:27
Speaker 4: So that that's my biggest gripe is that Hutchinson went
27:30
Speaker 4: in before him. I was like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
27:33
Speaker 4: I don't you know, stealer bias, whatever you want to say.
27:36
Speaker 2: I'm like, he was better than Steve Hudginson.
27:39
Speaker 4: Now, granted they're both in now, so it's like, are
27:40
Speaker 4: we really arguing which marbles in front of the other.
27:43
Speaker 4: But at the time, Steve Hudginson was in and Alan
27:48
Speaker 4: Fanica was not in, and it was just it was
27:50
Speaker 4: just mind baffling how this decision making process came to be.
27:56
Speaker 4: But but yeah, but once again he's in and and
28:01
Speaker 4: he made it. But you're right, it was just it
28:02
Speaker 4: was way too long. I mean, he should have been
28:04
Speaker 4: first or second ballot easily.
28:06
Speaker 5: Yes, Well, those two were contemporaries, and they were the
28:11
Speaker 5: two best guards in the game, right they were contemporaries,
28:13
Speaker 5: And those are your two best guys, right, one playing
28:16
Speaker 5: in the NFC for a large part of his career.
28:19
Speaker 5: I always say to him as Minnesota. I know he
28:21
Speaker 5: played with Seattle and he was.
28:25
Speaker 2: Transition tag contract. I'll never forget that, Steve.
28:28
Speaker 6: Yeah, how about that?
28:30
Speaker 5: Yeah he was you know, so AFC NFC, the two
28:34
Speaker 5: best guys, no doubt why one gets in and the other.
28:37
Speaker 5: I mean, okay, okay, so one more first team All
28:39
Speaker 5: Pro for Hutchinson, But one more Pro Bowl for Allen,
28:43
Speaker 5: so a little bit longer prime. I just again, I
28:47
Speaker 5: don't know how they make these decisions. I do get that,
28:51
Speaker 5: you know, it feels like you can be and I
28:55
Speaker 5: know it's it underscores the important to think about this
28:58
Speaker 5: as you're not comparing apples to apples. You truly are
29:02
Speaker 5: never are in any sport. You know, you guy's a
29:04
Speaker 5: great defensive shortstop. Maybe he's not putting up the numbers
29:08
Speaker 5: of a right fielder, but that right fielder maybe's kind
29:10
Speaker 5: of a statue out there, you know, so he's not
29:12
Speaker 5: adding anything other than the that. And so you're trying
29:14
Speaker 5: to figure out all these different things, and we understand
29:16
Speaker 5: where the game is gone. You know, quarterbacks, receivers, edge rushers,
29:21
Speaker 5: running backs, you know, guards and centers. You know, offensive tackles, guards, centers,
29:27
Speaker 5: defensive tackles. These guys, it's it's it's a weight. It's
29:33
Speaker 5: harder for those guys to get in the Hall of Fame,
29:35
Speaker 5: not because they're not great players, but because of the
29:38
Speaker 5: nature of the position that they play.
29:41
Speaker 4: No, absolutely, I'm in agreeance with you that it is
29:45
Speaker 4: a tougher metric and like, oh well, there's so many
29:47
Speaker 4: but I mean, but when you think about it, you
29:49
Speaker 4: look at it, if you make the All Decade team,
29:52
Speaker 4: think about this, all four guards are in the All
29:55
Speaker 4: Decade team and in the All Decade Team are in
29:58
Speaker 4: the Hall of Fame from the two thousands because Larry
30:01
Speaker 4: Allen and Will Shields were the other two guards.
30:04
Speaker 5: And ahead to look at it, you're not sneaking ahead,
30:07
Speaker 5: are you for our next topic?
30:09
Speaker 2: No? No, I'm just talking about the two thousands. It's
30:10
Speaker 2: talking about the two thousands.
30:11
Speaker 5: Okay, that's the case.
30:14
Speaker 4: Yeah, because that's that's the case that we make is
30:16
Speaker 4: how tough it is to get in. But when you
30:18
Speaker 4: look back on that list, it's like we all four
30:21
Speaker 4: of them made it in.
30:21
Speaker 2: There's only two per team. It all four of them
30:24
Speaker 2: made it in. So what what's what's like that criteria
30:28
Speaker 2: for being in those moments? So yeah, you're absolutely right.
30:31
Speaker 4: I mean, it's it's one of those that it's still
30:34
Speaker 4: a head scratcher.
30:36
Speaker 5: So this is just to finish off the ESPN thinking
30:40
Speaker 5: we're running a little bit long and we might have
30:41
Speaker 5: to go a little bit long on the two thousands team,
30:43
Speaker 5: but work to do, okay. Troytanu, Zach Fraser, DK Metcalf
30:51
Speaker 5: Joey Porter Jr. Well, look, I'm just fullish on Fraser
30:55
Speaker 5: and Porter, but work to do, my goodness, I mean,
30:58
Speaker 5: these guys, you know, you have to start making teams
31:00
Speaker 5: and that sort of thing.
31:02
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you're like your second and third years in
31:04
Speaker 2: the league.
31:06
Speaker 5: Yeah. So he says, I'm excited about about time to
31:08
Speaker 5: win praise with the young offensive lineman in Pittsburgh. Better
31:11
Speaker 5: receiver metcalst is on the cuff. Metcalf is on the
31:14
Speaker 5: cusp of falling out of Hall of Fame consideration, entirely
31:17
Speaker 5: given that he's almost twenty nine with only two Pro
31:20
Speaker 5: Bowls to his name. Metcalf's thirteen hundred and three receiving
31:23
Speaker 5: yard season in twenty twenty also looks like a bit
31:26
Speaker 5: of an outlier, since he hasn't come within one hundred
31:28
Speaker 5: and fifty yards of that total and any even the
31:30
Speaker 5: other six campaigns. The haul of very good might be beckoning
31:33
Speaker 5: for the six or four inch wide out, but let's
31:35
Speaker 5: see what he does in twenty twenty six. I agree,
31:38
Speaker 5: Let's see what he does in twenty twenty six. And
31:40
Speaker 5: as for the other guys, let's see what take two
31:42
Speaker 5: over the next half a dozen seasons.
31:44
Speaker 6: You know what I mean.
31:46
Speaker 5: You know, I'm bullish on all those guys, but I
31:49
Speaker 5: think they're just trying to round out the article. When
31:51
Speaker 5: you're talking about young guys who are still on their
31:53
Speaker 5: first contract and still waiting to get into that first
31:56
Speaker 5: Pro Bowl.
31:57
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, this is this is this is a very
32:00
Speaker 4: uh yeah, it's it's.
32:01
Speaker 2: A long shot, premature.
32:04
Speaker 5: It's premature.
32:05
Speaker 2: Sure, that's all the work to do.
32:08
Speaker 4: And let's talk about the current roster too, so not
32:11
Speaker 4: even talking about historically Steelers.
32:13
Speaker 2: So yeah, okay, oh yeah, I know, I know, we
32:16
Speaker 2: got I was like, there's a lot of names left
32:18
Speaker 2: off this list. Get in here cold.
32:21
Speaker 4: But we're talking about the current roster of guys, how
32:23
Speaker 4: it how it shapes ounds, So.
32:25
Speaker 2: I get it now.
32:26
Speaker 4: I think that's where I kind of got a little
32:28
Speaker 4: confused because I was waiting to hear it. I'm like,
32:30
Speaker 4: there's some names that were left off that list. But yeah,
32:32
Speaker 4: you're absolutely right. So for the current roster of guys, yes,
32:36
Speaker 4: I would agree that this is it.
32:38
Speaker 6: Yes, yeah, yeah, I'm sorry.
32:40
Speaker 5: I just speaking of twenty twenty sixteen and that current roster.
32:43
Speaker 5: We are going to get their max. But I have
32:45
Speaker 5: to run this with the Hall of Fame fresh in
32:48
Speaker 5: our minds and Max coming back from his pilgrimage. I'm sorry,
32:50
Speaker 5: didn't mean to rupt your Max, but I'm excited. I'm excited.
32:54
Speaker 5: I want there are some guys on that Decade See
32:57
Speaker 5: All Decade Team who aren't in the Hall of Fame,
33:00
Speaker 5: and I want to get your feeling as to whether
33:01
Speaker 5: those guys are going to be in the Hall of
33:03
Speaker 5: Fame or whether they belong in the Hall of Fame,
33:05
Speaker 5: because we just sort of blithely said yesterday, if you
33:08
Speaker 5: make the All Decades Team, you should be in. Well
33:11
Speaker 5: a lot of them are, but a few of them are.
33:13
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33:15
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Speaker 8: And welcome a lot of them here on the hed
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Speaker 8: Rob King, We thank you for being with us. So
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Speaker 8: Max had a big trip to Canton, Ohio. Anytime you
34:25
Speaker 8: have a chance, chance to go to Canton, Ohio, it
34:27
Speaker 8: is a big trip.
34:29
Speaker 5: It's a fun thing. It was your agent's father who
34:33
Speaker 5: went in as a as a producer, Max Is. That
34:36
Speaker 5: was that his title. Nope, thing, It was Max's uh produce,
34:48
Speaker 5: Max's agent's father who went in as as one of
34:52
Speaker 5: the a great produce. I believe the title was producer.
34:56
Speaker 5: But he brought us uh Madden in summer all, which
35:00
Speaker 5: is enough. But he also revolutionized a lot of the way.
35:04
Speaker 6: You know, camera.
35:04
Speaker 5: Angles were set up and different things were shot a
35:07
Speaker 5: little bit wider camera angle, so you weren't just seeing
35:10
Speaker 5: like the quarterback and the line of scrimmage. You got
35:13
Speaker 5: a little bit wider view. And of course the groundbreaking
35:17
Speaker 5: duo of some are all in madd and the greatest
35:20
Speaker 5: I mean, we made the comparison. I made the comparison
35:23
Speaker 5: the analogy to the Beatles. You know, somebody's got to
35:26
Speaker 5: be first, somebody's got to set the set them, you know,
35:29
Speaker 5: create the mold, and then after that it's just hard
35:32
Speaker 5: to be It's hard to be that innovated because you know,
35:35
Speaker 5: there's only so much you can innovate. Those guys were
35:37
Speaker 5: way out in front of everybody else. So we are
35:40
Speaker 5: talking about Max and I when we're talking about the
35:42
Speaker 5: Hall of Fame, because Max was heading that way during
35:46
Speaker 5: yesterday's show. So before Max hopping the car and drove
35:48
Speaker 5: the Canton, we just both agreed that, hey, if you
35:51
Speaker 5: make the All Decade Team, you should be in the
35:54
Speaker 5: Hall of Fame. And I think this is so West
36:00
Speaker 5: and West filled in after Richd. Max came on before
36:03
Speaker 5: his great show, The Drive of Matt Williamson, and we
36:05
Speaker 5: kicked around the twenty tens All Decade Team and agreed
36:11
Speaker 5: that there were players that probably weren't going to get
36:14
Speaker 5: into the Hall of Fame. So the question now becomes,
36:17
Speaker 5: does everybody on this list belong in the Hall of
36:23
Speaker 5: Fame or are there guys just because you made the
36:25
Speaker 5: All Decades Team, maybe you don't make the Hall of Fame.
36:29
Speaker 5: So I think this is a question and this so
36:32
Speaker 5: Max is one of those players careerstraddled both decades, but
36:36
Speaker 5: largely is a two thousands sort of guy. So I
36:41
Speaker 5: think that that's you know. And we did the twenty
36:44
Speaker 5: ten's yesterday with Wes and again found some people that
36:47
Speaker 5: we thought, well, I don't know, So we're gonna go
36:49
Speaker 5: to the two thousands and run through these guys. Who's
36:53
Speaker 5: in the Hall of Fame and whether somebody else deserves
36:58
Speaker 5: to be in the Hall of Fame, who isn't in
36:59
Speaker 5: the Hall of Fame yet will eventually be in the
37:01
Speaker 5: Hall of Fame, Who isn't in the Hall of Fame yet?
37:04
Speaker 5: So here are the the the two thousand Pro Football
37:08
Speaker 5: Hall of Fame, all two thousand teams. So we started
37:12
Speaker 5: the quarterbacks first team. Let's preface this is the first
37:15
Speaker 5: gonna run. We're gonna run.
37:17
Speaker 6: We're gonna run both.
37:18
Speaker 5: Okay, okay, okay, Tom Brady, Peyton Manning. Manning's in. Brady's
37:24
Speaker 5: not not in yet because he hasn't had the chance
37:27
Speaker 5: to get in.
37:28
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I think yeah, because yeah, he's what twenty
37:32
Speaker 4: twenty eight is first eligible.
37:35
Speaker 5: I'm not sure when it is, but I know, whenever
37:37
Speaker 5: it is, he's going in.
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Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, absolutely, absolutely, first ballot.
37:41
Speaker 5: First ballot, he's you know, he's he's hanging out, uh,
37:47
Speaker 5: you know, in that very inner sanctum of the Hall
37:51
Speaker 5: of Fame. You know what I mean, Like if there's
37:53
Speaker 5: a there's a dining room in the center of the ballroom.
37:56
Speaker 5: You know, Mel Blunt saying out there, you know, Joe
37:59
Speaker 5: Green hanging out there, Lawrence Taylor's hanging out there, Tom
38:04
Speaker 5: Brady's hanging out there.
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Speaker 6: He just diactly.
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Speaker 5: You know there are others, but I'm just you know,
38:09
Speaker 5: he's obvious. Okay, So running backs, first teams, two running backs,
38:15
Speaker 5: the Danian Tomlinson in the Hall of Fame, Edrin James
38:18
Speaker 5: in the Hall of Fame. Okay, now here's where it
38:21
Speaker 5: gets interesting. So we probably should have said, if you
38:25
Speaker 5: make the first team, you're in. And that's what that's
38:29
Speaker 5: certainly what I meant, Max, Right, I don't want to
38:33
Speaker 5: I don't want to go revision this history, but that's
38:34
Speaker 5: what I meant. If you make the first team All
38:37
Speaker 5: Decades team, you should be in the Hall of Fame.
38:39
Speaker 6: Agreed.
38:39
Speaker 5: Yeah, correct, We're not back pedaling, We're not back.
38:42
Speaker 2: We're not back peddling, We're just full Okay.
38:46
Speaker 5: So second team running backs Sean, Alexander, jamal Lewis, neither one.
38:55
Speaker 5: Neither one is in the Hall of Fame.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Hall of very good. Both, Yeah, both of them,
39:01
Speaker 2: both of them.
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Speaker 4: I'm putting them both there. And listen, I played against Sean,
39:05
Speaker 4: you know, super Bowl forty at the height of his powers,
39:09
Speaker 4: you know, as as just a dominant running back.
39:11
Speaker 2: But he did fall off.
39:13
Speaker 4: A cliff when he went to Washington and it wasn't
39:17
Speaker 4: the sustained success of a Ladanian Tomlinson where yes they
39:22
Speaker 4: have him listed at the San Diego charge, but he
39:25
Speaker 4: also went to the Jets as well.
39:27
Speaker 2: And then Edge was edge man.
39:28
Speaker 4: Edge did it in Indianapolis, he did it in Arizona,
39:32
Speaker 4: and and of course we'll know him as an Indiapolis
39:35
Speaker 4: cult more so than we do as an Arizona cardinal. But
39:38
Speaker 4: dominated at both and was it was it was in
39:42
Speaker 4: that that Super Bowl forty three, super Bowl team for
39:47
Speaker 4: the Cardinals.
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Speaker 5: You know, it's interesting, is I look at jamal Lewis's career,
39:54
Speaker 5: lost two thousand and one with an injury, great year
39:58
Speaker 5: in two thousand and with thirteen sixty four rushing yards.
40:01
Speaker 5: You just looked at his numbers, you know. And I
40:05
Speaker 5: probably because he was playing in that Steelers Baltimore rivalry.
40:13
Speaker 5: At boy, it was certainly the beginning of what I
40:17
Speaker 5: would call the hatred period of that rivalry, which is
40:20
Speaker 5: cooled slightly to just massive dislike. But I think the players, yeah,
40:26
Speaker 5: they just didn't like each other.
40:27
Speaker 2: Man. It was.
40:28
Speaker 5: It was one of those kind of games.
40:29
Speaker 2: No, No, I did not.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I thought Jamal was a terrific back and a
40:34
Speaker 5: bruising back, and he was a type of back, you
40:37
Speaker 5: know what I mean. So we talked about like Drin
40:40
Speaker 5: James and Ladanian Tomlinson putting up these great numbers. Well
40:45
Speaker 5: they were receiving and they were running, and now were
40:48
Speaker 5: they being utilized because they had a different skill set
40:51
Speaker 5: if they were in Baltimore, would they be would they
40:54
Speaker 5: have been jammed between the tackles against the Steelers? I
40:56
Speaker 5: don't know. But for for his job, I always thought
40:59
Speaker 5: the world of Jamal. I always thought he was a
41:00
Speaker 5: top hard physical runner.
41:04
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, I completely agree, and and listen and we've
41:07
Speaker 4: had we had some battles and Joey Porter and him
41:10
Speaker 4: and had some personal battles on the field pregame and
41:12
Speaker 4: getting kicked.
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Speaker 2: Off before the game we started.
41:15
Speaker 4: He went to Cleveland, So yeah, yeah, I mean, yeah,
41:19
Speaker 4: there there is, like you said, a specific back. I mean,
41:22
Speaker 4: for a pure running back, I mean, excellent, excellent player
41:28
Speaker 4: and and deservedly is is it, you know, is an
41:31
Speaker 4: all decades team member. But I just don't think the
41:34
Speaker 4: resume like you said, because of this. I mean, let's
41:37
Speaker 4: just think about this. Ladenian Towmson, Edger and James went
41:39
Speaker 4: in before Roger Craig, and Roger Craig was was was
41:41
Speaker 4: the template that all those guys had their careers afterwards?
41:44
Speaker 2: Right?
41:45
Speaker 4: Uh so yeah, so he's like, it's like, hey, can
41:49
Speaker 4: you hit the a thousand yards receiving a thousand yards
41:51
Speaker 4: of rushing in the same season? Okay, that that's what
41:53
Speaker 4: we're trying to do. Edge and Ladanian Roger Craig did
41:57
Speaker 4: it and still wasn't in the Hall of Fame. But
41:58
Speaker 4: now he's finally play least rightfully where he deserves. So
42:01
Speaker 4: I think Jamal Lewis's falls to that pure just running
42:05
Speaker 4: running back. So you think of you know, but his style,
42:09
Speaker 4: he was a big, physical, bruising back.
42:10
Speaker 2: So who's who's the who is the.
42:14
Speaker 4: Archetype or the prototype that's in the Hall of Fame
42:18
Speaker 4: that ran the way that he did, you know, And
42:21
Speaker 4: I think that that that it's tougher to find those
42:23
Speaker 4: type of guys. I think you have to think of
42:24
Speaker 4: like a Larry Zanka. Maybe it is probably the closest
42:28
Speaker 4: to that. John Riggins probably the next closest to that.
42:33
Speaker 2: And how does he fare against them?
42:35
Speaker 4: And definitely Jerome Jerome is definitely the prototype for that.
42:39
Speaker 4: So I mean, so you say, okay, there is a
42:40
Speaker 4: place for him, right, but do his numbers stack up
42:44
Speaker 4: against those guys? And well, Jerome Bettis is third all
42:47
Speaker 4: time rushing leader all time, So uh so.
42:51
Speaker 2: No in that one.
42:54
Speaker 4: And then you said Larry Zak Larry Zaca has the
42:56
Speaker 4: Super Bowls on his side as well in that in
43:01
Speaker 4: the era that he ran. And so you're like, well, okay,
43:06
Speaker 4: he falls in the Hall of very good. He's just
43:09
Speaker 4: that cussy, you know, he's just that that wrung right
43:12
Speaker 4: below Hall of Fame tier.
43:14
Speaker 5: So thirteen hundred yards three times and two thousand on
43:19
Speaker 5: another occasion, so four times the eclipse thirteen hundred yards.
43:23
Speaker 5: That's awfully good, awfully good. Didn't make a lot of
43:26
Speaker 5: Pro Bowl teams. And again, sometimes that's the competition you're
43:28
Speaker 5: up against. I I think, I think he's just short,
43:33
Speaker 5: but I probably I think one, just one, just one.
43:38
Speaker 5: Janner had three. It's funny like if I think of
43:40
Speaker 5: those two, I think of Sean alex I think of
43:43
Speaker 5: Jamal Lewis is the better running back. But John Alexander
43:47
Speaker 5: made three Pro Bowls. So his contemporaries h and the
43:51
Speaker 5: voters said otherwise. I just noticed the time acts. We're
43:53
Speaker 5: woefully late. Let's take a break, let's come back after
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Speaker 5: the break, Let's continue this discussion about the twenty tens
44:01
Speaker 5: All Decade teams. So far. So far, Max, I think
44:03
Speaker 5: we're batting one thousand first team. If you make a
44:06
Speaker 5: first team All Decade team, you should be in the
44:07
Speaker 5: Hall of Fame. So far, I don't have any disagreements
44:10
Speaker 5: with with what we've come across. We're going to dive
44:13
Speaker 5: into it further. Also, look forward to the scrimmage tonight
44:15
Speaker 5: when we continue in the locker room here on the
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Speaker 5: Steelers Audio Network.