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Ep. 940: Janis's Backcountry Mule Deer | 12 in '26 · The MeatEater Podcast

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  Speaker 1: It's so crazy.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, just dead asleep one second, and then all
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  Speaker 2: of a sudden, the doe and that buck just up
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  Speaker 2: on their feet, like, looking over here.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe a coyote over here.
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  Speaker 4: Maybe there's more deer coming over here, so I can't
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  Speaker 4: see it on the phone.
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  Speaker 5: I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I do know it's kind of up-down. That may seem.
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  Speaker 5: Like too much, but I bet you it's going to take.
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  Speaker 3: Me an hour to get there.
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  Speaker 4: What you just heard were my post shot thoughts after
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  Speaker 4: sitting on a buck for over two hours. Seemed like
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  Speaker 4: five hours, but maybe it was just two. Welcome to
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  Speaker 4: the 12 and 26 podcast. This is a companion show
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  Speaker 4: to our 12 and 26 films rolling out this year. Now,
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  Speaker 4: if you're just tuning into this now and haven't already
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  Speaker 4: seen the new film, which, by the way, I hate
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  Speaker 4: calling them films. They're still episodes to me. It is
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  Speaker 4: out on the MeatEater channel. Please hop over there and
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  Speaker 4: watch it and smash the old like and subscribe buttons.
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  Speaker 4: There's still more 12 and 26 films coming, so please
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  Speaker 4: keep checking back on the MeatEater YouTube channel. Today I'm
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  Speaker 4: here with Garrett Long and Phil the Engineer to address
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  Speaker 4: your questions about my mule deer hunt. Thank you all
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  Speaker 4: for writing in. posting questions on YouTube and on social media.
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  Speaker 4: We've curated a handful of the most compelling audience questions.
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  Speaker 4: I'm going to do my best to answer them here now. Uh,
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  Speaker 4: this episode in particular is centered around a solo backcountry
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  Speaker 4: mule deer hunt, kind of solo. Um, I didn't film
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  Speaker 4: it myself, so I had, uh, Max Barta there with me,
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  Speaker 4: which was a lot of fun. Um, But it was
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  Speaker 4: in the western United States. The hunt was remote, incredibly
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  Speaker 4: demanding physically. Really tested my skills and patience, kind of.
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  Speaker 4: It wasn't an easy hunt, but it wasn't the hardest
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  Speaker 4: hunt I've been on either. But again, if you haven't
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  Speaker 4: watched it, go check it out now, and all of
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  Speaker 4: this will make a lot more sense. This time around,
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  Speaker 4: let's start with some general comments before getting into the
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  Speaker 4: actual questions.
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  Speaker 1: Good or bad?
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  Speaker 4: We will start with a few more questions. a few
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  Speaker 4: of the more critical comments, and then move on to
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  Speaker 4: what folks seem to enjoy about the film. And then
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  Speaker 4: we'll get into some actual questions from all of you. So,
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  Speaker 4: number one, should I read out the guy's handle or
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  Speaker 4: the person's handle?
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  Speaker 6: You can if you want to. I don't think they're
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  Speaker 6: trying to stay out of it.
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  Speaker 1: It's just a handle.
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  Speaker 4: Kurt Thomason, 4620, wrote, Latvian Eagle kidded up like he's
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  Speaker 4: a Formula One hunter. guess i'm priced out of this
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  Speaker 4: sport too um i wish i could remember exactly what
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  Speaker 4: my kit was i didn't feel like it was too
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  Speaker 4: overboard i feel like i had socks undies a pair
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  Speaker 4: of pants probably a base layer up top my undies
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  Speaker 4: kind of my bottom base layer and then uh Usually
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  Speaker 4: like a second layer. And I think it's my second layer.
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  Speaker 4: I was wearing the, uh, suppressor, um, the soft shell jacket.
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  Speaker 4: And then, uh, I probably just had a, uh, a
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  Speaker 4: big puffy over that. Cause the weather was really nice.
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  Speaker 4: I didn't carry any rain gear.
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  Speaker 1: Um, so I don't know. Formula one.
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  Speaker 4: Um, I guess that means it's like just really, really expensive.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, that big down puffy jacket is an expensive jacket,
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  Speaker 4: but I think the rest of that kit is probably
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  Speaker 4: like 500 bucks.
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  Speaker 5: I don't know, man. Formula One drivers are pretty sharp.
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  Speaker 1: Sharp looking? Yeah. I didn't have my hair all.
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  Speaker 4: I probably didn't get a haircut like a Formula One
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  Speaker 4: guy before this hunt.
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  Speaker 1: But I always tell everybody.
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  Speaker 4: I try to remind people on the old Instagram that one,
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  Speaker 4: you should just get off Instagram and go out hunting.
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  Speaker 4: And if buying First Light gear or any other hunting
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  Speaker 4: gear is keeping you from hunting.
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  Speaker 1: Because of the price... Because you need.
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  Speaker 4: Money for gas or you just need money for food
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  Speaker 4: so that you can just have time to go hunting.
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  Speaker 4: Don't buy the stuff. You don't need it. I mean,
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  Speaker 4: literally all you need is some kind of a weapon
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  Speaker 4: to go hunting. You don't even need camo. People killed
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  Speaker 4: stuff in blue jeans and flannels for a lot of
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  Speaker 4: years before we all got super hyped on camo.
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  Speaker 7: So....
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, man, if you're in a spot where you can't
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  Speaker 4: do the first light thing, then, yeah, you can literally
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  Speaker 4: wear the clothes that.
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  Speaker 1: You probably went to work with.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, get out there.
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  Speaker 4: And just get out there and make it happen.
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  Speaker 1: Let's see.
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  Speaker 4: At JackTackle57 wrote, he must be an angler.
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  Speaker 1: Great hunt.
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  Speaker 4: Might I suggest a larger caliber rifle? Clearly the wind
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  Speaker 4: was pushing your bullet. That elevation and those conditions, a
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  Speaker 4: heavy bullet over 160 grains will buck the wind a
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  Speaker 4: lot better. It's okay to be overgunned in the Rocky Mountains,
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  Speaker 4: especially in.
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  Speaker 1: By the way, you are a great shooter. Well, thanks, Jack.
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  Speaker 1: It's like a compliment sandwich, as Steve likes to say.
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  Speaker 1: He's not wrong.
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  Speaker 4: A heavier bullet, um, which I think actually in the
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  Speaker 4: six fives, a buddy of mine who's a big time
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  Speaker 4: shooter was telling me about like a one 75, maybe
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  Speaker 4: kind of a custom bullet that he, he got from somewhere.
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  Speaker 4: He says over in Sweden, that's all they shoot are
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  Speaker 4: like the one 75s, uh, out of the six, five
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  Speaker 4: out of the six fives, you know, which they've been shooting, uh,
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  Speaker 4: moose over there with six fives for well over a
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  Speaker 4: hundred years. Um, But yeah, he's not wrong. Bigger bullet
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  Speaker 4: would have been less affected by the wind in that condition.
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  Speaker 4: And yeah, I guess my response, why I would probably
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  Speaker 4: still carry the gun I was carrying and probably stick
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  Speaker 4: with my 160 grain bullets is that it's like, man.
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  Speaker 1: You do a little bit of shooting. You do a
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  Speaker 1: lot of carrying.
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  Speaker 4: So having that short action and just a light setup
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  Speaker 4: in that rifle was really nice. Usually once you go
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  Speaker 4: to those heavier bullets, you're going to be in a
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  Speaker 4: long action magnum. And I don't know. I guess you
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  Speaker 4: could just shoot. 308 and have a heavier bullet.
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  Speaker 5: Well, yeah, but that wouldn't have gone through the wind
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  Speaker 5: as good as your PRC either. You don't? No. Like,
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  Speaker 5: I think that.
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  Speaker 4: 180-grainer out of a.
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  Speaker 6: 308?
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  Speaker 5: Well, I don't know what the BCs are, but. 308
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  Speaker 5: with a 180-grainer, it's going to be slow.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 7: Right?
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  Speaker 5: But weight is only part of the equation, right? So,
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  Speaker 5: BC is really just how it flies through the wind, right?
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  Speaker 5: And 6.5 PRC has been built around very high BC bolts.
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  Speaker 5: I don't know what you were shooting, 140s, 156s. Do
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  Speaker 5: you know?
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  Speaker 1: They're probably the 140 Acubons.
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  Speaker 4: Right, right.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, so that's arguably a little bit light for that caliber,
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  Speaker 5: but I think it's easy to say, well, heavier is better,
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  Speaker 5: but man, I can tell you, generally speaking, out of a. 308,
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  Speaker 5: your wind holds compared to a 6.5 PRC are dramatically more.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so I'd have to have probably a.
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  Speaker 4: 30 caliber Magnum to really make a difference.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: And then you've got to carry that sucker around for
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  Speaker 4: a week until you get to make a couple shots.
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  Speaker 6: Yep.
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  Speaker 4: You know, the other answer is that, like, you know,
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  Speaker 4: you just, and again, I really thought that wind was
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  Speaker 4: pretty much coming straight in my face and I wasn't
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  Speaker 4: going to get that drift. Um, but, uh, I could
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  Speaker 4: have gotten closer, you know, where it, uh, it wouldn't,
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  Speaker 4: wouldn't matter as much.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 4: Uh, at trash hunt, interesting handle. He says meat eater
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  Speaker 4: saying spot burning is a thing. Dot dot.
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  Speaker 3: LOL.
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  Speaker 1: Laugh out loud. Is that what that stands for?
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  Speaker 4: Definitely.
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  Speaker 6: We can roll this short clip here.
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  Speaker 1: The spot burning thing is real. I'm just going to
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  Speaker 1: try not to do it. I'm backpacking in.
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  Speaker 4: Limiting factor is batteries for cameras. So about three, maybe
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  Speaker 4: four nights is what we can do.
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  Speaker 1: It's chilly. A little bit of snow on the ground. Mid-October.
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  Speaker 1: Pretty excited.
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  Speaker 7: Yep.
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  Speaker 4: Um.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a thing, and we discuss it internally a
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  Speaker 4: lot here in Meat Eater. I try to protect my
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  Speaker 4: private land in Wisconsin because I don't need visitors there,
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  Speaker 4: and the people that I hunt there with like to
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  Speaker 4: go there and just get away and have peace and quiet.
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  Speaker 4: So that's kind of why I don't really talk about
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  Speaker 4: the county I'm in in Wisconsin when we go there.
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  Speaker 4: But in this case where it's a unit or even
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  Speaker 4: a state, you know, all the locals that are mostly
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  Speaker 4: hunting there, not somewhere else, you know, they like to
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  Speaker 4: keep their spots to themselves and I can't blame them
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  Speaker 4: for that. So we've decided to talk less about, you know,
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  Speaker 4: even to the extent of saying not the state where
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  Speaker 4: we're at. Because honestly, it's just not that important, right? It's,
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  Speaker 4: I think for the viewer, the adventure, the content that
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  Speaker 4: they watch, it's not going to be any less engaging
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  Speaker 4: if they don't know which boundaries we were hunting within. Yeah, man, I'm.
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  Speaker 5: Going to challenge that a little bit. I think, uh,
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  Speaker 5: you know, we've found like, imagine you draw a tag
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  Speaker 5: in Colorado, um, and you want to look up elk
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  Speaker 5: hunting in Colorado. What do you type in?
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 5: Colorado elk hunting. I do think that there's a subset
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  Speaker 5: of the audience that And a lot of the questions
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  Speaker 5: were around where they think you might have been. I
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  Speaker 5: think there's a large subset of the audience that genuinely
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  Speaker 5: does want to know general state of where you're at.
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  Speaker 1: A large subset? Like more than 25%?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that mostly the people that don't want
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  Speaker 5: to know where you're at are the people living in
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  Speaker 5: that state.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: So it's a balance for us of being approachable and
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  Speaker 5: everything like that and showing opportunity.
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  Speaker 4: I think that we have historical evidence that we have
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  Speaker 4: done it to places in the past.
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  Speaker 1: The Meteor Show.
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  Speaker 4: I won't mention which ones, but I've heard enough where
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  Speaker 4: they're like, oh yeah, after you aired that one, Things
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  Speaker 4: changed around here. You know, took more points to draw
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  Speaker 4: my unit or there are more hunting leases all of
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  Speaker 4: a sudden in this area. Um, people never knew that
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  Speaker 4: we had this opportunity here. And of course we're like,
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  Speaker 4: Oh man, that's a bummer. Cause like, that's what we're
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  Speaker 4: interested in.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 4: Are these sort of like off the wall opportunities that
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  Speaker 4: are neat that you haven't heard about? Like we want
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  Speaker 4: to go experience them and we want to share them
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  Speaker 4: with the, with the viewers. But again, the locals live
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  Speaker 4: in there that, uh, That spotlight's not good.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah. It's a balance, man.
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  Speaker 2: Yep.
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  Speaker 1: It's a thing. We're aware of it.
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  Speaker 4: We're constantly trying to figure out how to do it right.
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  Speaker 1: Let's see. Flip side. Oh, okay. More comments. RobertWatson-N6Z wrote....
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  Speaker 4: Absolutely respect the accountability and humility at the end when
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  Speaker 4: he realized his point of impact wasn't where he thought
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  Speaker 4: it was due to the fall on the mountain.
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  Speaker 1: Other haunting content creators would.
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  Speaker 4: Have cut that part out and attributed the less than
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  Speaker 4: ideal shots to the fall. This is why I'm consistently
• 12:28
  Speaker 4: drawn to Meat Eater over others. Side note, how he
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  Speaker 4: was able to find that super secret backcountry roadless area
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  Speaker 4: in Texas is amazing.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks, Robert.
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  Speaker 4: It took a lot of digging on the old Onyx,
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  Speaker 4: but found it. Yeah, thanks overall, I guess, for the
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  Speaker 4: nice words there. Yeah, I just feel like it's, for me,
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  Speaker 4: the whatever, the humility and all that is not what
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  Speaker 4: I was thinking about, including the checking the rifle zero.
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  Speaker 4: It's more like, oh, this is what I'm going to
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  Speaker 4: do anyways when I get home, because I have to, because...
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  Speaker 4: my kid's probably going to shoot that rifle a week
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  Speaker 4: later at a deer and I need to make sure
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  Speaker 4: that it's on. And so it's kind of like, I'm
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  Speaker 4: going to do it. I then want to film it
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  Speaker 4: and include it so that people just see like more
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  Speaker 4: of the process. You know, sometimes it's so easy to
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  Speaker 4: gloss over that or like, you know, the things that
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  Speaker 4: happen around camp, you know, between the times that you're
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  Speaker 4: actually out chasing elk, whether it's cook-ins, you know, how
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  Speaker 4: you're sleeping, you know, whatever it is. It's just kind of,
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  Speaker 4: I don't know, it adds to it, right?
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  Speaker 1: When you see more of it. Dalton Unguided.
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  Speaker 4: Nice.
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  Speaker 1: Hardcore. Cold October. Elk and deer season. Cross.
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  Speaker 4: Awesome country that looks like it would hold giant deer.
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  Speaker 4: 30 doe to one buck ratio. Reeks of blank state.
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  Speaker 1: Ha ha.
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  Speaker 4: So, yeah, Dalton just wanted to try to figure out
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  Speaker 4: what state I was hunting in.
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  Speaker 5: Most of the questions were about what state.
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  Speaker 1: There's a lot of that. Yeah. I didn't look.
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  Speaker 4: I try not to, unless I have to. What we've
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  Speaker 4: been talking about doing is making a, Phil, we really
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  Speaker 4: have to do this. Garrett Long is like our head of,
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  Speaker 4: what is your title again now?
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  Speaker 1: You're not head of content. You're the VP of.
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  Speaker 5: SVP of content.
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  Speaker 4: SVP of content.
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  Speaker 5: Which only matters when the chief of content isn't in
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  Speaker 5: the room.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: But I feel like people are nice to me. I
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  Speaker 4: appreciate it. But Randall, they really get after him in
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  Speaker 4: the comments. Don't say nice things. And Randall and I
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  Speaker 4: have been thinking it'd be fun just to find all
• 14:55
  Speaker 4: of the worst comments and read them and then talk
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  Speaker 4: smack about them. I think that would be a lot
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  Speaker 4: of fun. See, Phil, you're already laughing.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, it would be a very fun video, but
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  Speaker 6: it would also encourage people to comment on things in
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  Speaker 6: bad faith, just trying to get selected for this.
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  Speaker 1: That's true. Well, we won't tell that we're doing it.
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  Speaker 4: So just like the people that are trolls already, they
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  Speaker 4: would be the ones whose comments we would read.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 6: And we would dox the commenters and then make fun
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  Speaker 6: of them and their lives and their appearance, of course,
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  Speaker 6: as well, right?
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, okay. Yeah, okay. All right.
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  Speaker 4: So that's all for the just straight up comments. Appreciate it.
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  Speaker 4: And we appreciate you guys watching and interacting.
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  Speaker 1: It's great.
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  Speaker 4: So with that, let's get into some of the more
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  Speaker 4: direct questions from the audience.
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  Speaker 1: Garrett, what you got?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, man. So there was actually a lot of questions
• 15:52
  Speaker 5: just about gear in general. BlaineCyphers3406, which it's hard to
• 15:59
  Speaker 5: imagine there's that many BlaineCyphers. But he asked, what's the
• 16:03
  Speaker 5: rifle setup, scope, caliber? Silencer. Are there any just highlights
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  Speaker 5: you want to hit there? A litany of questions throughout
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  Speaker 5: the comments about what caliber and gun and all that
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  Speaker 5: you're using.
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  Speaker 4: And that's one of those things where I should have
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  Speaker 4: just addressed it in the episode because people always wonder.
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  Speaker 4: And I'm pulling up the scope so that I don't
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  Speaker 4: mess up any of the numbers. Um... Scope-wise is the
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  Speaker 4: Sig Whiskey 6 3-18x44.
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  Speaker 1: First focal plane. Rangefinder, probably one of the most important
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  Speaker 1: parts of that whole thing.
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  Speaker 4: Because now with the BDX app, we do enough shooting
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  Speaker 4: of these rifles. We true them, range them, What's the
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  Speaker 4: word I'm looking for?
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  Speaker 1: Not true.
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  Speaker 4: But when you kind of check and make sure that
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  Speaker 4: the ballistics that the range finder is giving you is
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  Speaker 4: actually it.
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  Speaker 5: True. All right.
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  Speaker 1: It is true.
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  Speaker 4: But man, it's so slick when you can just range
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  Speaker 4: something at 400 yards, which I think is roughly what
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  Speaker 4: that shot was. And then it says it right to
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  Speaker 4: you in the range finder.
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  Speaker 1: Like, yeah, you need to go up.
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  Speaker 4: 2.5 or 3.0, whatever it was. Um, just gives you
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  Speaker 4: a lot of confidence in making that shot and knowing
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  Speaker 4: that you're going to hold that on. And it's going
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  Speaker 4: to hit pretty much dead on as long as you,
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  Speaker 4: you know, execute a nice shot. But, uh, that was the, uh,
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  Speaker 4: SIG cross, uh, sawtooth right in a, in a PR
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  Speaker 4: in a six, five PRC. I did have a, I
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  Speaker 4: guess like semi custom barrel put on there. It was,
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  Speaker 4: it's a short 18 inch, um, uh, carbon fiber from, uh, proof. And, um,
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  Speaker 4: you know, the shortness of the barrel, it definitely takes away, uh,
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  Speaker 4: from the velocity, but man, does it make it easy
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  Speaker 4: to run a suppressor on there? And man, I just
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  Speaker 4: love shooting with the press person.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: I love shooting with a suppressor these days. Um, so
• 18:24
  Speaker 4: I give up a little bit of, uh, velocity to, uh,
• 18:28
  Speaker 4: you know, to be able to run it quiet and
• 18:30
  Speaker 4: reduce that recoil a bunch. So it was a very nice,
• 18:34
  Speaker 4: you know, easy, compact rifle to pack around.
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: What else?
• 18:41
  Speaker 5: Well, you never actually said what range finder you had.
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: Oh, just the, I believe it's the Kilo 8.
• 18:47
  Speaker 5: Oh, the 8K, yeah.
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: 8K, yeah.
• 18:52
  Speaker 4: And then the meat eater.
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: Suppressor.
• 18:56
  Speaker 4: That's, uh, built by, uh, silencer central. Um, nice, you know, compact.
• 19:05
  Speaker 4: How long is that thing? Six inches, right under six.
• 19:08
  Speaker 4: It's like five and three quarters, something like that. Um,
• 19:12
  Speaker 4: does the trick, especially for that smaller caliber. It's a,
• 19:15
  Speaker 4: you know, it seems like it's the perfect combo. And then,
• 19:18
  Speaker 4: like I said earlier, 140 grain Nosler Acubond, uh, loaded
• 19:25
  Speaker 4: uh sig loads those up um yeah i can't complain
• 19:30
  Speaker 4: like that all those sig crosses shoot inch or better
• 19:34
  Speaker 4: uh for me just with with those factory ammo from
• 19:37
  Speaker 4: sig um and what's even more important i think at
• 19:42
  Speaker 4: times is that uh the deviation of the uh velocities
• 19:46
  Speaker 4: it's like you know more about this than i do
• 19:49
  Speaker 4: if I feel like we find a lot of times
• 19:52
  Speaker 4: with the SIG ammo, it's been like less than 10
• 19:55
  Speaker 4: feet a second. And you were telling me, I think,
• 19:58
  Speaker 4: at one point that average for a lot of factory
• 20:01
  Speaker 4: ammo is going to be more like 20 to 30
• 20:03
  Speaker 4: feet per second.
• 20:04
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 20:05
  Speaker 4: And that, like, folks, like, at 400 yards, it makes
• 20:08
  Speaker 4: a big difference on your point of impact when, you know,
• 20:12
  Speaker 4: your bullet's not going the same speed as the last
• 20:14
  Speaker 4: bullet you shot or the next bullet you're going to shoot. So, yeah,
• 20:20
  Speaker 4: that's pretty much it for the rifle setup.
• 20:25
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: So, Galliper, Silencer.
• 20:27
  Speaker 5: And I think on that, so another question we got
• 20:31
  Speaker 5: by at 306. Vic Z KO five. Uh, he asked about,
• 20:39
  Speaker 5: it seems that you're a fan of, of silencers, um,
• 20:44
  Speaker 5: on your high country hunts. And he's just curious for
• 20:46
  Speaker 5: your reasoning. It says he has speculation, but, um, he'd
• 20:50
  Speaker 5: appreciate you to outline kind of why you like to
• 20:52
  Speaker 5: use them.
• 20:53
  Speaker 4: Hmm, man. I like them on any kind of hunt,
• 20:57
  Speaker 4: high country, low country, back country, front country. Uh, man
• 21:04
  Speaker 4: you just don't have to take that extra step of
• 21:07
  Speaker 4: uh you know throwing in ear protection and it's kind
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: of got built in um you know recoil suppression um
• 21:15
  Speaker 4: you know it's not quite as much as a break
• 21:18
  Speaker 4: but golly i don't ever want to shoot a gun
• 21:20
  Speaker 4: with a break on it ever if i don't have
• 21:22
  Speaker 4: to um I just got my hearing tested again recently
• 21:28
  Speaker 4: because we got some new hearing protection. And so when
• 21:31
  Speaker 4: you go in to get the molds, they also do
• 21:33
  Speaker 4: some testing. And then my left ear is so bad
• 21:36
  Speaker 4: that they're actually, they're starting the conversation of putting in
• 21:40
  Speaker 4: a hearing aid in my left ear. As a right-handed shooter,
• 21:43
  Speaker 4: that's the ear that is, you know, kind of pointed
• 21:45
  Speaker 4: towards the muzzle more. And I feel like for the last,
• 21:49
  Speaker 4: 10 to, you know, definitely 15, maybe even come on
• 21:52
  Speaker 4: 20 years. Like I've been pretty good about like always
• 21:55
  Speaker 4: at the range, um, you know, and even having, and
• 21:58
  Speaker 4: just a pair of those, a lot of times I
• 22:00
  Speaker 4: wear those Howard light, uh, it's like a neck band
• 22:04
  Speaker 4: that has the two foamies on it and just can
• 22:06
  Speaker 4: stick those in real fast when I need to take
• 22:08
  Speaker 4: a shot. But all that being said, man, I did
• 22:11
  Speaker 4: enough damage as a youngster that, uh, I'm looking at
• 22:14
  Speaker 4: a hearing aid.
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: Um, so yeah, Yeah.
• 22:18
  Speaker 4: I don't know. I just don't see a reason not to.
• 22:21
  Speaker 4: I mean, they're so light these days. Um, I think
• 22:26
  Speaker 4: carrying that extra little bit away is, is totally worthwhile.
• 22:31
  Speaker 5: Yeah, man, I'm 35 and, uh, they say I need
• 22:33
  Speaker 5: a hearing aid in my left ear.
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: There you go.
• 22:36
  Speaker 5: Oh, either put, put on muffs or get a suppressor. Um,
• 22:43
  Speaker 5: all right, man, shifting gears a little bit. Um, another
• 22:47
  Speaker 5: question we got wrote in is his name is Garrett actually.
• 22:50
  Speaker 5: So he's gotta be a pretty smart dude. Uh, he
• 22:52
  Speaker 5: asked when hunting for mule deer, what are some of
• 22:54
  Speaker 5: the best tips for e-scouting?
• 22:57
  Speaker 4: Hmm.
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: Good question.
• 23:02
  Speaker 4: Um, I think like all, any, any animal, you know,
• 23:08
  Speaker 4: they need water, food cover. So even with mule deer,
• 23:13
  Speaker 4: you gotta be looking for that. Uh, I think defining out,
• 23:18
  Speaker 4: you know, you can always call the biologist or the
• 23:20
  Speaker 4: warden and find out sort of what elevation these deer
• 23:23
  Speaker 4: like to hang at in whatever unit you're hunting, depending
• 23:27
  Speaker 4: on the.
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: Time of year.
• 23:28
  Speaker 4: And then go to the EMAP and, you know, find
• 23:34
  Speaker 4: those elevations and find country that looks good. I mean,
• 23:38
  Speaker 4: for me, for mule deer hunting, I haven't done too
• 23:40
  Speaker 4: much desert mule deer hunting.
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: It's mostly been, I don't know.
• 23:45
  Speaker 4: I mean, we still live, we live in the Western
• 23:48
  Speaker 4: high country, you know, arid desert, but, um, find the feed,
• 23:57
  Speaker 4: I guess. And with e-scouting, you know, you're gonna have
• 23:59
  Speaker 4: to find the aspects, meaning like which direction is the
• 24:02
  Speaker 4: hill pointing to find the feed that the deer need. Um, yeah.
• 24:09
  Speaker 4: Cover next to food with water nearby. Um, And I
• 24:14
  Speaker 4: think what else in particular, um, you know, spots where
• 24:20
  Speaker 4: too many people can't get to too easily. I think
• 24:24
  Speaker 4: that's a good, uh, tip for hunting mule deer. But honestly,
• 24:28
  Speaker 4: it's like this unit that I was in, there wasn't
• 24:31
  Speaker 4: a lot of country that didn't have some deer. Um,
• 24:35
  Speaker 4: you know, some a little bit less than others. Uh,
• 24:40
  Speaker 4: but I think that, man, You just kind of have
• 24:43
  Speaker 4: to put your boots on the ground and go and
• 24:45
  Speaker 4: look at it.
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: Um, yeah, sorry.
• 24:49
  Speaker 4: I don't have too much more for that. Uh, but yeah,
• 24:53
  Speaker 4: I found zones that just didn't have too many roads,
• 24:56
  Speaker 4: didn't have too many trails. Um, and you know, places
• 25:01
  Speaker 4: where the deer can feed and not get messed with.
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: Um, Yeah.
• 25:08
  Speaker 5: It reminds me, uh, old Randy Newberg said one time that, uh,
• 25:12
  Speaker 5: there's a lot more deer habitat than there are deer.
• 25:15
  Speaker 7: Hmm.
• 25:17
  Speaker 5: And he was kind of getting at, like, you just
• 25:19
  Speaker 5: got to go look at a point. Like you, you
• 25:22
  Speaker 5: can do a lot of prep, but at a point
• 25:24
  Speaker 5: you just got to go look. And on that note
• 25:29
  Speaker 5: a little bit, uh, and, and, and Phil will play
• 25:32
  Speaker 5: a clip here, but, um, another really good question, man, that,
• 25:36
  Speaker 5: that I've actually thought about is from Kurt's world, uh,
• 25:39
  Speaker 5: at Kurt's world. Um, and he said with back country hunting,
• 25:45
  Speaker 5: do you need to worry about scent if you're camping
• 25:48
  Speaker 5: in near your glassing spot?
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: Hmm, man, on a, on a, any, I guess back
• 25:56
  Speaker 4: country hunt. I try not to camp too close. Hmm. uh,
• 26:01
  Speaker 4: to whatever I'm, I'm hunting or wherever I think, you know,
• 26:04
  Speaker 4: the spot that I think the animals are going to be.
• 26:06
  Speaker 4: And like in that spot, sure. There was probably deer
• 26:10
  Speaker 4: on the ridge that I camped on. I mean, you're
• 26:12
  Speaker 4: gonna have to give and take a little bit, but
• 26:15
  Speaker 4: you know, with hiking, sweating as much as I do,
• 26:18
  Speaker 4: you know, when you're going up and down mountains, I mean,
• 26:23
  Speaker 4: I don't do any kind of scent control for those
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: types of hunts. I usually just feel like when I'm
• 26:30
  Speaker 4: you know, going to find a deer by glassing, it's
• 26:34
  Speaker 4: going to be far enough away where no matter what
• 26:36
  Speaker 4: the wind's doing, they're probably not going to pick me
• 26:38
  Speaker 4: off by scent. Once I start making a stalk, you know,
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: then I'm going to start worrying about what the wind's doing.
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: But again, I feel like most times, you know, four,
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: 500 yards, you can get.
• 26:56
  Speaker 4: With these animals, with the wind on your back, and
• 26:59
  Speaker 4: they're not really going to spook.
• 27:00
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 27:00
  Speaker 4: You know?
• 27:00
  Speaker 6: I'm going to roll this clip really here.
• 27:02
  Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah.
• 27:03
  Speaker 4: I did not achieve my goal of one mule deer
• 27:05
  Speaker 4: before dark, but that's not going to deter me. I'm
• 27:09
  Speaker 4: camped right on top of a great glassing knob, and
• 27:12
  Speaker 4: I'll be back on the glass at first light.
• 27:18
  Speaker 5: Yeah, so you were fine glassing from camp. just because
• 27:22
  Speaker 5: you had that buffer where you were kind of past
• 27:25
  Speaker 5: that four or 500 yard zone.
• 27:27
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and again, like I said, there's probably animals on
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: the ridge I was on, but you can't, I mean,
• 27:31
  Speaker 4: you just can't always go where there's zero animals.
• 27:37
  Speaker 5: And so another question, you remained optimistic in the video,
• 27:44
  Speaker 5: but after glassing for half a day, this made me
• 27:48
  Speaker 5: kind of realize that maybe I have a patience issue.
• 27:52
  Speaker 5: Were you like second guessing yourself at all that night
• 27:55
  Speaker 5: when you were setting up your tent?
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: No, no.
• 27:59
  Speaker 4: I just feel like one, one afternoon just.
• 28:04
  Speaker 5: Without a deer.
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 28:06
  Speaker 4: You got to give it more time. And honestly, it's
• 28:09
  Speaker 4: like in that kind of, and when you know you're
• 28:12
  Speaker 4: in deer country.
• 28:13
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 28:14
  Speaker 4: You got to just give it more time. And I
• 28:16
  Speaker 4: always remind myself, like I'm only looking for one. And
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: maybe it's that kind of a spot where there aren't
• 28:21
  Speaker 4: a lot of other deer that a single big buck,
• 28:24
  Speaker 4: or maybe with a couple does, that's where you're going
• 28:27
  Speaker 4: to find them. Because when there's less deer, and if
• 28:29
  Speaker 4: you're in good deer habitat, that's more food, more cover,
• 28:33
  Speaker 4: more all of that for the deer that are in
• 28:35
  Speaker 4: that area. And, you know, hopefully you think the big
• 28:40
  Speaker 4: buck's going to.
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: Be in there.
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: But no, I mean, but I did move after whatever
• 28:46
  Speaker 4: it was, two and a half, three days. And when
• 28:49
  Speaker 4: it just seemed like I wasn't seeing enough and it
• 28:51
  Speaker 4: was mostly, I was seeing more hunters than deer. But yeah, honestly,
• 28:59
  Speaker 4: like I could have had more patience and probably just
• 29:02
  Speaker 4: like stuck to it and stayed in there and eventually
• 29:05
  Speaker 4: turned up a buck in that spot.
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: I think so. Cause you got to trust it.
• 29:12
  Speaker 4: You know, if you like, if you're in a good spot,
• 29:14
  Speaker 4: you know, it's deer country, you've seen some does around.
• 29:18
  Speaker 4: And again, that time of year, late October, those deer
• 29:22
  Speaker 4: are starting to move. You know, those deer have a
• 29:25
  Speaker 4: little bit of migration that they do. And so, you know,
• 29:31
  Speaker 4: any morning you could wake up and there's a whole
• 29:33
  Speaker 4: new batch of deer in your zone.
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 29:35
  Speaker 5: I mean, the rut can bring anything in. That too. So.
• 29:40
  Speaker 5: sticking with the camp theme, another question that came in was,
• 29:44
  Speaker 5: how does all the clothing you wear play into your
• 29:48
  Speaker 5: sleeping bag and or rating? Meaning, do you put on
• 29:52
  Speaker 5: all your gear at night and then get into a
• 29:54
  Speaker 5: lighter bag? Or do you just always bring the warmest
• 29:57
  Speaker 5: bag possible?
• 30:00
  Speaker 4: Um, I don't bring the warmest bag possible, but I
• 30:04
  Speaker 4: also do not put on all my gear, uh, to
• 30:07
  Speaker 4: sleep at night. Um, I kind of have that in
• 30:10
  Speaker 4: the back of my head is like, Oh, if something
• 30:12
  Speaker 4: really changes in the weather and it gets cold, like
• 30:15
  Speaker 4: I have that option, but I've found that when I
• 30:17
  Speaker 4: wear too many clothes, um, like I just have a
• 30:21
  Speaker 4: harder time regulating and I end up sort of sweating.
• 30:24
  Speaker 4: And then once you sweat, you got it, you know,
• 30:27
  Speaker 4: you're going to get evaporative cooling and you're going to
• 30:29
  Speaker 4: get colder. So I like to, you know, like I've
• 30:34
  Speaker 4: definitely done like a pair of pants, you know, in
• 30:36
  Speaker 4: a base layer for sure. Or maybe my long johns
• 30:39
  Speaker 4: on the bottom and the base layer up top. But
• 30:41
  Speaker 4: I feel like when I get too much over that,
• 30:43
  Speaker 4: it just gets too warm in there and I sweat
• 30:46
  Speaker 4: and then that's a bad, bad, bad gig. So in
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: my mind, though, I do think about In the worst
• 30:53
  Speaker 4: case scenario, let's just say they're calling for lows in
• 30:57
  Speaker 4: the upper 20s, low 30s, but you're like, oh, I'm
• 31:02
  Speaker 4: going to be up on the mountain, so maybe it
• 31:03
  Speaker 4: could drop to 15 one night. In that scenario, can
• 31:08
  Speaker 4: I survive? I always ask that question to myself. In
• 31:10
  Speaker 4: the worst case scenario, when I'm out there, can I
• 31:13
  Speaker 4: make it through the night by... I had a big
• 31:16
  Speaker 4: puffy down jacket. Instead of wearing it, I could actually
• 31:19
  Speaker 4: just lay it over my bag and add some insulation.
• 31:26
  Speaker 4: So I more think about it this way where I'll wear,
• 31:29
  Speaker 4: I'll bring less clothes knowing that I have a sleeping
• 31:32
  Speaker 4: bag that if there's like a really cold evening or
• 31:35
  Speaker 4: cold morning, I could use that bag, wrap it around me,
• 31:38
  Speaker 4: do some glassing, wrap it around me while I'm preparing
• 31:41
  Speaker 4: food or whatever, because it's going to be probably a
• 31:43
  Speaker 4: very short period of time in the day when it
• 31:46
  Speaker 4: is that cold.
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: Sun's going to come up. It's going to warm me up.
• 31:49
  Speaker 4: Or at night it's like well you're gonna eat and
• 31:51
  Speaker 4: then you're getting in your bag to go to sleep
• 31:53
  Speaker 4: so you really only have like these short periods when
• 31:55
  Speaker 4: it's going to be really cold you kind of have
• 31:57
  Speaker 4: to endure before you're going to be fine.
• 32:00
  Speaker 5: Again yep yep makes sense um and then ryan ryan
• 32:05
  Speaker 5: scott ray wrote in and said how far from a
• 32:10
  Speaker 5: main road did you have to go to find this
• 32:12
  Speaker 5: spot and i there was a lot of questions similar
• 32:14
  Speaker 5: to this because it did have such a backcountry vibe
• 32:17
  Speaker 5: um you know, in the week we got the on it,
• 32:19
  Speaker 5: like the e-scouting question as well. Like, is there kind
• 32:24
  Speaker 5: of a level where you just know you need to
• 32:27
  Speaker 5: get away from, from a main road or is it?
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: No, no.
• 32:30
  Speaker 7: Okay.
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: I don't think so.
• 32:32
  Speaker 4: I think it's more about finding a spot where the
• 32:35
  Speaker 4: spots that are overlooked, because these days it's like, buddy
• 32:41
  Speaker 4: of mine, like many years ago, who's in Colorado, he said,
• 32:44
  Speaker 4: it's like, he's like, everybody that comes here now is
• 32:46
  Speaker 4: like a little mini Cam Haynes. He's like, we were
• 32:50
  Speaker 4: 10 miles in, covered up in guys. And it's like,
• 32:53
  Speaker 4: sometimes that hurts people because they're like, oh, the farther
• 32:57
  Speaker 4: I get, the better it's going to be. And sure,
• 33:00
  Speaker 4: there's some truth to that because you are cutting out
• 33:04
  Speaker 4: people the farther you get. But it's like, how many
• 33:09
  Speaker 4: people does it take to make a place busy, right? Sure.
• 33:12
  Speaker 4: I mean, if there's two or three groups hunting the
• 33:14
  Speaker 4: same basin, it feels real busy. Um, so I think
• 33:18
  Speaker 4: it's more about just finding the spots that are like,
• 33:21
  Speaker 4: are overlooked. And sometimes those can be.
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: Close to the road.
• 33:25
  Speaker 4: They can be close to town even, um, cause people
• 33:28
  Speaker 4: are just driving by them all the time. Um, if
• 33:31
  Speaker 4: there's not easy access, you know, you have to maybe
• 33:35
  Speaker 4: go around some private land to get in there, or
• 33:37
  Speaker 4: you got to, paddle a canoe across the reservoir to
• 33:40
  Speaker 4: get in there or there's no trail. And so you're
• 33:43
  Speaker 4: like right off the bat, you just got to go
• 33:45
  Speaker 4: up some Ridge with no trail. I don't know.
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: Um, yeah. So I didn't have to go far from.
• 33:52
  Speaker 4: And when they say main road, I don't know exactly
• 33:55
  Speaker 4: what they're asking if that's pavement or just something you
• 33:58
  Speaker 4: can drive. But honestly, I think that that pack out, uh,
• 34:02
  Speaker 4: where we finally killed the buck was, it was definitely
• 34:04
  Speaker 4: less than two miles.
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: Like it, it wasn't too, too bad.
• 34:08
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 34:08
  Speaker 5: And so you brought it up, but we had a
• 34:10
  Speaker 5: couple of questions come in and then before you answer,
• 34:14
  Speaker 5: I'll let Phil play the clip. But a couple of
• 34:18
  Speaker 5: questions came in about, you know, first spot doesn't work out.
• 34:22
  Speaker 5: You go to the second trailhead, but you just immediately
• 34:26
  Speaker 5: get off the trail and start bushwhacking it. Let's play
• 34:30
  Speaker 5: the clip here, Phil.
• 34:32
  Speaker 4: Instead of walking up the trail, I decided to cross
• 34:35
  Speaker 4: a creek and push back towards a ridge with no trail.
• 34:39
  Speaker 4: Having never been here, I picked the most jungle-like willow
• 34:43
  Speaker 4: thicket in the county to go through. Buddy, it's deep.
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: You don't want to just fall in here. half of it.
• 35:07
  Speaker 4: Yeah when I pole planted to jump the creek the
• 35:11
  Speaker 4: pole like this pointy end stuck between some rocks and
• 35:14
  Speaker 4: it literally pulled it right out of the upper part
• 35:17
  Speaker 4: of the shaft and never to be seen again this.
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: Looks like fun.
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: That's open 85 yards. Talk about some country to get
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: turned around in. There's a creek to our left, maybe.
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: I feel like we crossed that.
• 35:52
  Speaker 5: F * * * er a bunch.
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: I just f * * * ing don't know how
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: to get around it.
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: Do you want to try to go around it? It
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: was thick.
• 36:01
  Speaker 4: You can tell by my vocabulary I'm a bit frustrated,
• 36:05
  Speaker 4: but maybe this is what it takes to get away
• 36:07
  Speaker 4: from the crowd. If it wasn't for Onyx, I'd still
• 36:11
  Speaker 4: be beating the brush.
• 36:16
  Speaker 5: Yeah, so, I mean, it looks like you had to
• 36:18
  Speaker 5: work harder, but is that kind of a common strategy
• 36:20
  Speaker 5: of yours where you'll roll into a trailhead and just
• 36:22
  Speaker 5: be like, everybody's going this way because that's where the
• 36:25
  Speaker 5: trail goes, I'm going this other way?
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: I mean, you know how it is. I mean, some trails...
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: You know, they zigzag.
• 36:35
  Speaker 4: What's the other term for that?
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: Switchbacks. Switchbacks. Thanks, Phil. See?
• 36:40
  Speaker 4: Phil said he's going to have nothing to add to
• 36:41
  Speaker 4: the conversation.
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: He just got switchback. Nailed it.
• 36:44
  Speaker 4: That could be a good trivia question, actually.
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: Hold on, folks.
• 36:48
  Speaker 6: I think it's been one.
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: Really?
• 36:49
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 36:49
  Speaker 4: Dang it.
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: And kind of recently. Dang it. I got to host
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: an episode in a week.
• 36:57
  Speaker 5: Sorry.
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: No, it's all good.
• 36:59
  Speaker 4: Never know.
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: Um, but, uh, yeah, you never know.
• 37:05
  Speaker 4: Like the trail is going to take you to someplace,
• 37:09
  Speaker 4: whether it's some ridge and it might be a great
• 37:11
  Speaker 4: ridge to go hunt or a great overlook to go hunt.
• 37:15
  Speaker 4: But the, just the spot when I was done looking
• 37:18
  Speaker 4: at Onyx that night, I was like, okay, where I
• 37:20
  Speaker 4: want to go is like, it almost paralleled the trail,
• 37:24
  Speaker 4: but it was up the ridge instead of going up
• 37:26
  Speaker 4: the gut. And so eventually when I was on the ridge,
• 37:29
  Speaker 4: I was probably, I was glassing across the trail itself,
• 37:35
  Speaker 4: but the trail just didn't go up that ridge. I
• 37:36
  Speaker 4: needed to get high so I could glass, right? And
• 37:41
  Speaker 4: I just hadn't scouted it. I mean, I pulled in
• 37:45
  Speaker 4: the night before, it was dark and it's like, or
• 37:49
  Speaker 4: almost dark. And we just didn't have enough time to
• 37:51
  Speaker 4: really find like where to go exactly. And when I
• 37:53
  Speaker 4: walked out that evening, in dusk, I didn't have to
• 37:56
  Speaker 4: go through that jungle. I literally just went like a
• 37:59
  Speaker 4: hundred yards, you know, whatever it was farther West and
• 38:03
  Speaker 4: like went around all of that and made a very
• 38:05
  Speaker 4: easy Creek crossing.
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: And I was out, you know?
• 38:08
  Speaker 4: Yeah. So, um, it's like, uh, I don't know if
• 38:13
  Speaker 4: it's like a strategy. I just like pick the spot
• 38:15
  Speaker 4: and to get to that spot. That's what I had
• 38:17
  Speaker 4: to go through.
• 38:18
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 38:19
  Speaker 5: Makes sense. Um, and then, you know, speaking of, of
• 38:22
  Speaker 5: the physicality, uh, At the beginning, you said, you know, yeah,
• 38:27
  Speaker 5: it was kind of hard. But there were a lot
• 38:32
  Speaker 5: of questions about getting prepared for something like this. Can
• 38:37
  Speaker 5: you speak to that in terms of, you know, really
• 38:40
  Speaker 5: was this a pretty arduous hunt? And then, you know,
• 38:42
  Speaker 5: how do you get yourself ready for, even if you
• 38:46
  Speaker 5: weren't as far back as maybe what it looked like,
• 38:49
  Speaker 5: it certainly looks steep. even just your cross country or
• 38:53
  Speaker 5: your cross canyon to get to that buck after it
• 38:55
  Speaker 5: went down. Were you feeling the miles on this one
• 38:59
  Speaker 5: a little bit?
• 39:01
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I didn't have a ton of time to hunt,
• 39:03
  Speaker 4: so I think we ended up killing the buck on
• 39:05
  Speaker 4: like day five. So it was probably not quite long
• 39:08
  Speaker 4: enough to really start getting worn down too bad.
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: I was definitely a little tired.
• 39:18
  Speaker 4: And, you know, a big part of what makes this
• 39:20
  Speaker 4: one fascinating More physical is that if you're gonna be,
• 39:24
  Speaker 4: you know, sleeping out of your backpack, and carrying your shelter,
• 39:29
  Speaker 4: carrying your sleeping bag, carrying your food, all that stuff,
• 39:34
  Speaker 4: you know, it's not much, but it adds, you know,
• 39:36
  Speaker 4: depending on how light your gear is, 10 to 20
• 39:38
  Speaker 4: pounds to your backpack. And all of a sudden every
• 39:41
  Speaker 4: step just is a lot harder. So, um, I definitely,
• 39:46
  Speaker 4: I go, I try to go to the gym once
• 39:49
  Speaker 4: a Definitely, maybe twice a week when I'm in town.
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: And it's called the Mountain Project. It's in Bozeman.
• 39:56
  Speaker 4: And their motto is sort of like they train the
• 39:59
  Speaker 4: uphill athlete. So people that like to go up and
• 40:02
  Speaker 4: down the mountains around here, whether it's on skis, bikes,
• 40:07
  Speaker 4: their own two feet, running, hiking, whatever it is, they
• 40:12
  Speaker 4: have us do things that's going to make going uphill easier.
• 40:17
  Speaker 4: So it's like every day is leg day in there.
• 40:20
  Speaker 4: I was in there this morning, and I did a
• 40:23
  Speaker 4: bunch of squats. I'm trying to think what else we did.
• 40:26
  Speaker 4: I think it was like three different kinds of squats.
• 40:30
  Speaker 4: It was like back squats, sumo squats, and some other ones.
• 40:34
  Speaker 4: My legs are going to be worn out tomorrow from
• 40:37
  Speaker 4: that workout. But there's no better feeling when on day three,
• 40:41
  Speaker 4: and this is what I tell people, is everybody has
• 40:44
  Speaker 4: it in them to do it on day one. But
• 40:47
  Speaker 4: doing it on day three and four and five gets
• 40:49
  Speaker 4: harder if you haven't done some kind of training for it.
• 40:53
  Speaker 4: And your training should look like what it's going to
• 40:55
  Speaker 4: be like in the field. Like all of us go
• 40:58
  Speaker 4: out for a hunt that's three days or five days
• 41:01
  Speaker 4: or maybe seven days. So you need to be able
• 41:04
  Speaker 4: to do it one day after another, after another, after another,
• 41:07
  Speaker 4: and not after just one or two days be like,
• 41:09
  Speaker 4: oh my God, I need to take a half day off, right?
• 41:12
  Speaker 4: If you only have five, that's, is that 20%? yeah
• 41:18
  Speaker 4: that's 20 of your um no one hunt would only
• 41:22
  Speaker 4: be 10 on a five-day hunt anyways 10 still a
• 41:27
  Speaker 4: lot you don't want to give it up one afternoon
• 41:30
  Speaker 4: yeah took off a whole day be 20 yep um
• 41:34
  Speaker 4: so yeah and and so like how best to do
• 41:38
  Speaker 4: it i mean if it is literally like a like
• 41:41
  Speaker 4: gonna be a a backcountry mule deer hunt in the
• 41:44
  Speaker 4: mountains is yes make every day leg day Make sure
• 41:49
  Speaker 4: your butt and your quads and your calves are strong.
• 41:54
  Speaker 4: And make sure that you have some kind of endurance.
• 41:57
  Speaker 4: And that doesn't mean that you have to do 20
• 41:59
  Speaker 4: miles at once, but the kind of endurance that lets
• 42:02
  Speaker 4: you go five days in a row.
• 42:04
  Speaker 5: No prison bods.
• 42:07
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't think you need a prison bod.
• 42:10
  Speaker 7: Another.
• 42:12
  Speaker 4: My main elk hunting mentor, Ethan, used to always say
• 42:16
  Speaker 4: legs and lungs, legs and lungs. You know, that's what
• 42:19
  Speaker 4: gets stuff killed in the mountains. And I still believe that,
• 42:22
  Speaker 4: you know, if you have legs and lungs, you're going
• 42:25
  Speaker 4: to be able to get it done.
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 42:27
  Speaker 5: And so another person, I don't know, Ivy B, Lil Slim,
• 42:35
  Speaker 5: wrote in. and said, I hunt the hardwoods for whitetail
• 42:40
  Speaker 5: and wonder what's the difference hunting mule deer out west?
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: Bigger country.
• 42:51
  Speaker 4: And that in of itself, I think, makes most of
• 42:55
  Speaker 4: the differences. I mean, we could get into the nuanced
• 42:57
  Speaker 4: differences of how mule deer act versus whitetail deer act
• 43:01
  Speaker 4: and maybe what they eat. I mean, a lot of
• 43:03
  Speaker 4: places where we hunt out west, we have both species.
• 43:07
  Speaker 4: The mule deer are usually like down in the riparian areas.
• 43:10
  Speaker 4: I mean, my house is an example of this, like
• 43:12
  Speaker 4: where we, our house sits. Like if you look down
• 43:14
  Speaker 4: the hill, you're more likely to see a white tail deer.
• 43:16
  Speaker 4: If you look up the hill, you're more likely to
• 43:18
  Speaker 4: see a mule deer. Um, you know, the browse is
• 43:26
  Speaker 4: probably pretty similar. Uh, like actually hunting like hardwoods.
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: It's like, yeah.
• 43:33
  Speaker 4: And the hardwoods that I hunt in Wisconsin, uh, it's
• 43:36
  Speaker 4: like max distance is going to be 200 yards. And
• 43:39
  Speaker 4: you don't see those kinds of sight lines very often
• 43:42
  Speaker 4: where you can actually see 200 yards. Although my little
• 43:46
  Speaker 4: Oak Savannah project bucks that trend. Um, but like in
• 43:51
  Speaker 4: the hardwoods, yeah, you're, you're a lot of times trying
• 43:54
  Speaker 4: to kill stuff at 50 yards and under and, uh,
• 43:57
  Speaker 4: mule deer hunting out West. It can happen close range.
• 44:02
  Speaker 4: Like you bump something as you're walking somewhere, but, again,
• 44:07
  Speaker 4: most people that I know and hunt like the way
• 44:10
  Speaker 4: I do for mule deer are going to glass something
• 44:13
  Speaker 4: up at, you know, out to a mile and then
• 44:18
  Speaker 4: make a play to get to within rifle range. Um, and,
• 44:22
  Speaker 4: and the range is going to be probably dictated. I
• 44:26
  Speaker 4: had to go through this on this hunt on the stock.
• 44:27
  Speaker 4: There was another ridge that would have been a lot
• 44:29
  Speaker 4: faster to get to, but it was going to bump
• 44:32
  Speaker 4: me out to like 600 plus. Um, And it actually
• 44:36
  Speaker 4: wasn't as later, you know, looking at it, it wasn't
• 44:39
  Speaker 4: as direct, like a, like a look on the hillside
• 44:43
  Speaker 4: that they were on. So I'm glad I went to
• 44:44
  Speaker 4: the other one, but, uh, just like the, that's the,
• 44:49
  Speaker 4: the topography itself dictated how far the shot was going
• 44:52
  Speaker 4: to be. You know, I got as close as I
• 44:53
  Speaker 4: could be without getting on the hill with them, which
• 44:56
  Speaker 4: at that point, you're sort of like going to walk
• 44:57
  Speaker 4: in there and then just hope to get a shot
• 44:59
  Speaker 4: when you jump them. Um, and the closest I could
• 45:02
  Speaker 4: get was right there at 400 yards. Um, So shot distances,
• 45:08
  Speaker 4: big difference. And, and yeah, there's a lot of way
• 45:10
  Speaker 4: to hunt, a lot of ways to hunt white tails
• 45:12
  Speaker 4: in the hardwoods, you know, whether you're, you know, sitting,
• 45:15
  Speaker 4: slipping around, there is all that. And, you know, you
• 45:19
  Speaker 4: could do that with mule deer too, but most of
• 45:22
  Speaker 4: us feel it's more efficient to glass a lot of country, find,
• 45:28
  Speaker 4: find a deer and then make a move.
• 45:31
  Speaker 5: Um, All right, well, before the next question, Phil, I'll
• 45:35
  Speaker 5: have you play this next clip here.
• 45:39
  Speaker 7: The buck batted. I got his location marked on Onyx.
• 45:45
  Speaker 7: And I'm trying to make the approach now. If I
• 45:48
  Speaker 7: can get the ridge opposing him, I should be 400
• 45:50
  Speaker 7: to 500 yards. 1,200 and 660. I have another ridge
• 46:05
  Speaker 7: that's right between me and the buck right now. The
• 46:08
  Speaker 7: shot's going to push it out closer to 600. I
• 46:10
  Speaker 7: just don't know if I'm comfortable with that. I almost
• 46:16
  Speaker 7: feel like it's worth going up there and checking. The
• 46:22
  Speaker 7: other ridge puts me just over 400. I'm going to
• 46:26
  Speaker 7: go for the closer shot. A little walk and walk.
• 46:32
  Speaker 7: worth it. Um, plus this ridge is at 600 from
• 46:37
  Speaker 7: the deer. It's awfully thick. I just don't know what
• 46:40
  Speaker 7: my shooting lane off the ridge is going to be
• 46:41
  Speaker 7: where the other one, I know for a fact I'll have,
• 46:45
  Speaker 7: it'll be clear for me.
• 46:51
  Speaker 4: Um, yeah.
• 46:52
  Speaker 5: So, so question there, you know, you, you've been looking
• 46:54
  Speaker 5: for your deer, you find him, uh, when you find your,
• 46:58
  Speaker 5: your target animal, um, and you know that clock is ticking,
• 47:05
  Speaker 5: how much time do you spend watching behavior, bedding them down,
• 47:10
  Speaker 5: getting a lay of the land, versus just, man, we
• 47:13
  Speaker 5: got to cut distance now?
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: Well, you can tell from that clip, I was in
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: a hurry.
• 47:21
  Speaker 4: I was in a rush to cut the distance and
• 47:23
  Speaker 4: get on them. And I think we had, I say we,
• 47:26
  Speaker 4: because Max was there too, I had found that buck
• 47:31
  Speaker 4: It's probably getting on in the morning, you know, I
• 47:33
  Speaker 4: don't know, 8.30, 9, 9.30, something like that. And so
• 47:38
  Speaker 4: those deer bedded down pretty soon after we found them.
• 47:42
  Speaker 4: And as soon as that happens, it's like, okay, do
• 47:46
  Speaker 4: the best you can to actually mark that spot on
• 47:49
  Speaker 4: the map with Onyx, right?
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: Figure that out.
• 47:53
  Speaker 4: Then figure out, you know, what's going to be the
• 47:55
  Speaker 4: best approach, what's going to be the best place to
• 47:57
  Speaker 4: try to get a shot on them from if they
• 47:59
  Speaker 4: stay there.
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: And then go.
• 48:02
  Speaker 4: Had they stayed on their feet and kept feeding longer,
• 48:05
  Speaker 4: I probably would have stayed and kept.
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: On watching them.
• 48:08
  Speaker 4: I mean, there's two clocks ticking. One is the one
• 48:12
  Speaker 4: where they're just going to like walk out of your life, right?
• 48:15
  Speaker 4: They go behind some ridge. You can't see them anymore. They,
• 48:18
  Speaker 4: you know, go up the drainage and leave it. You
• 48:20
  Speaker 4: can't see them anymore. There's the other one where it's
• 48:22
  Speaker 4: like it's public land. Someone else might be seeing them
• 48:26
  Speaker 4: or someone else is walking down the ridge that they're on.
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: And all of a sudden they bump them. Like, you
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: don't know.
• 48:31
  Speaker 4: Um, so it's, uh, you know, it's, it's a balance,
• 48:37
  Speaker 4: but I definitely don't, uh, you know, I'd rather be
• 48:40
  Speaker 4: laying there at 400 yards, getting bored, waiting for him
• 48:44
  Speaker 4: to stand up. Then like, you know, dilly dally my
• 48:47
  Speaker 4: way over there and then get there and they're not
• 48:50
  Speaker 4: there anymore.
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: So, I mean, it like the less pressure.
• 48:55
  Speaker 4: I can remember Randy Ulmer telling me, if you don't
• 48:58
  Speaker 4: know who Randy is, like, you know, one of the,
• 49:01
  Speaker 4: Greatest Western bull hunters ever. And he was talking about
• 49:07
  Speaker 4: watching deer and big bulls for days and watching what
• 49:13
  Speaker 4: they do, where they walk, where they sleep, where they're feeding,
• 49:16
  Speaker 4: how they get between the two areas until he felt like, okay,
• 49:20
  Speaker 4: I know exactly where I'm going to go. And that bull,
• 49:23
  Speaker 4: and he's an archer. So he's like, I'm going to
• 49:25
  Speaker 4: go right there. And that bull is going to walk
• 49:27
  Speaker 4: by me at, you know, less than 50 yards and
• 49:29
  Speaker 4: I'll kill him.
• 49:30
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 49:31
  Speaker 4: But, uh, you know, that's, you know, in a, in
• 49:35
  Speaker 4: a scenario where he felt like someone else wasn't going
• 49:38
  Speaker 4: to come in there and bump them out of there.
• 49:40
  Speaker 5: You know so so then when you're cutting the distance
• 49:44
  Speaker 5: like that um you get to the ridgeline that you're
• 49:48
  Speaker 5: you want to be at obviously you had to do
• 49:51
  Speaker 5: quite a lot of vert um is there a point
• 49:54
  Speaker 5: where you start pacing yourself a little bit thinking about
• 49:57
  Speaker 5: heart rate and nerves uh before you kind of crest
• 50:02
  Speaker 5: that ridge or settle behind your gun.
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: Uh For sure.
• 50:07
  Speaker 4: I mean, especially if they're up on their feet or
• 50:09
  Speaker 4: looking like they're going to get up on their feet.
• 50:11
  Speaker 4: I mean, they were bedded the whole time we made
• 50:13
  Speaker 4: the approach and slipped in there. So I didn't really
• 50:20
  Speaker 4: have to think about that because at that point it
• 50:23
  Speaker 4: seemed like I had a lot of time and I
• 50:24
  Speaker 4: could easily just slip in and my heart rate had
• 50:29
  Speaker 4: already dropped not thinking about it. But I can tell
• 50:32
  Speaker 4: you just like from recently being on an elk hunt,
• 50:35
  Speaker 4: where I was chasing elk around every single day. Like
• 50:37
  Speaker 4: I thought about that a lot as I was like
• 50:40
  Speaker 4: getting in there and you're realizing that like, okay, this
• 50:43
  Speaker 4: might happen. I might get a shot, start, you know,
• 50:47
  Speaker 4: controlling your heart rate and either moving slower or just
• 50:51
  Speaker 4: some deep breaths. Cause you're, you know, you're getting anxious
• 50:54
  Speaker 4: and excited about, you know, the proximity of elk and
• 50:58
  Speaker 4: just trying to calm myself down. But for that buck
• 51:02
  Speaker 4: didn't really have to think about it. Cause I, He
• 51:04
  Speaker 4: was just bedded, so we were able to slip into
• 51:06
  Speaker 4: that 400 yards without having to drop the heart rate.
• 51:15
  Speaker 5: All right. This next question comes with another clip that
• 51:21
  Speaker 5: came from IG on why not shoot your deer when
• 51:25
  Speaker 5: it's bedded. But, Phil, let's play that.
• 51:29
  Speaker 7: He's behind that tree.
• 51:30
  Speaker 3: Oh, man.
• 51:32
  Speaker 7: He's bedded. Okay. Now he's gonna have to wake up
• 51:37
  Speaker 7: and stand up. It took me about two hours to
• 51:41
  Speaker 7: do the stalk and then get in here and get
• 51:44
  Speaker 7: all situated. So my rifle's pretty much pointed at him
• 51:50
  Speaker 7: within a few yards. They were all bedded. A few
• 51:54
  Speaker 7: of the does are standing now. So the name of
• 51:56
  Speaker 7: the game now is just wait. I'm not a huge
• 51:59
  Speaker 7: fan of shooting them bedded. It certainly can be done,
• 52:04
  Speaker 7: but it's harder to tell where exactly the vitals are.
• 52:07
  Speaker 7: I'm just going to sit here, just trying to stay comfortable,
• 52:11
  Speaker 7: keep glassing him, and hopefully he'll stand up sooner than later.
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: Pretty buck.
• 52:22
  Speaker 4: Yeah, well, two things with that particular deer.
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: One, he was bedded directly behind that treetop.
• 52:31
  Speaker 4: So i would have had to change positions to maybe
• 52:33
  Speaker 4: to even get an angle you know to him um
• 52:37
  Speaker 4: and he was bedded in a little bit of that
• 52:39
  Speaker 4: uh buck brush or tobacco brush they call it so
• 52:42
  Speaker 4: i wasn't even really looking at that opportunity because i
• 52:44
  Speaker 4: felt like that stuff kind of might have been in
• 52:46
  Speaker 4: the way but mostly it's just because like when a
• 52:50
  Speaker 4: deer or an elk or whatever beds down it's like
• 52:54
  Speaker 4: not only are they sort of compressing their body and
• 52:56
  Speaker 4: their legs get into kind of a funnier position and
• 53:01
  Speaker 4: their shoulders roll back or forward or depending on how
• 53:05
  Speaker 4: their legs are, but it's not like they just go
• 53:08
  Speaker 4: from standing perfectly broadside and they go straight down onto
• 53:12
  Speaker 4: their belly, right? I mean, they might do that, but
• 53:15
  Speaker 4: a lot of times they're sort of canted over a
• 53:17
  Speaker 4: little bit, right? And their belly is showing and so
• 53:20
  Speaker 4: they're more like almost laying partially on their side. And so, yeah,
• 53:27
  Speaker 4: you can still sort of visualize where exactly the bullets
• 53:30
  Speaker 4: paths should be, but it just gets a little bit trickier.
• 53:34
  Speaker 4: And again, in that situation, like, had he been at
• 53:38
  Speaker 4: a hundred yards, I probably would have just shot one
• 53:41
  Speaker 4: right in there.
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: Right. Cause it's like, there's just less chance of messing
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: something up. Right.
• 53:49
  Speaker 4: I can like, pinpoint it in there at a hundred yards.
• 53:51
  Speaker 4: And like, I mean, if you want, you can shoot
• 53:53
  Speaker 4: them in the ear at a hundred yards, um, at
• 53:57
  Speaker 4: 400 yards. It's like, I want as big of a
• 53:59
  Speaker 4: target as possible and like know exactly what I'm shooting at.
• 54:02
  Speaker 4: And the best opportunity for that is going to come
• 54:05
  Speaker 4: when he's standing and broadside. Um, so yeah, that's why
• 54:10
  Speaker 4: I'm not shoot a deer while he's bedded. And again,
• 54:14
  Speaker 4: there really wasn't an opportunity on this one. But even
• 54:17
  Speaker 4: if he was wide out in the open, I feel
• 54:22
  Speaker 4: like the target's smaller. The angles of the target are
• 54:25
  Speaker 4: more difficult to understand.
• 54:27
  Speaker 5: Yeah, makes sense, man. There were quite a few questions
• 54:36
  Speaker 5: in general about wind and everything. You might have answered
• 54:40
  Speaker 5: this a little bit off the top. But as you
• 54:43
  Speaker 5: were laying there on that hillside, were you talking to
• 54:47
  Speaker 5: Max at all about, you know, the, the feeling that
• 54:50
  Speaker 5: there could be a little bit of a wind going
• 54:53
  Speaker 5: cross Canyon, um, between you and that deer before shooting?
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: Was it, man, we, we talked about it a lot.
• 55:00
  Speaker 4: It's just like the, it literally felt like it was
• 55:03
  Speaker 4: coming straight on at us and straight on or straight
• 55:07
  Speaker 4: from us to the deer. You know, you shouldn't get much,
• 55:11
  Speaker 4: you know, left to right deviation. Um, but as we
• 55:14
  Speaker 4: can see, there was some, um, yeah. Cause I guess
• 55:20
  Speaker 4: that's like a one MOA.
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: Wind, right? 400 yards.
• 55:24
  Speaker 4: It was about four inches, maybe five inches.
• 55:28
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 55:28
  Speaker 4: I can't remember much, man. No, it doesn't, you know,
• 55:32
  Speaker 4: I mean, uh, that mule deer is, you know, a
• 55:35
  Speaker 4: little bit bigger than a whitetail, not much. Um, so,
• 55:39
  Speaker 4: you know, honestly, they're, You know, they've got like what,
• 55:41
  Speaker 4: probably a 10 inch circle roughly for vitals. And yeah,
• 55:46
  Speaker 4: you can clearly see in the video that both my shots,
• 55:50
  Speaker 4: I can't remember now, which I think they go right.
• 55:52
  Speaker 4: I think the first shot he's facing left and I
• 55:56
  Speaker 4: hit him a little back and then he turns, he's
• 55:58
  Speaker 4: facing the other direction.
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: I ended up hitting him in the neck.
• 56:02
  Speaker 5: Yeah, we can actually play that clip now. Maybe a
• 56:21
  Speaker 5: little low, but I think it was a hard shot.
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 56:56
  Speaker 4: I mean, that's why I had to go and check
• 56:57
  Speaker 4: that zero, man. Cause like we had all, we had
• 57:00
  Speaker 4: two hours plus to like set up the shooting position.
• 57:04
  Speaker 4: So I was extremely comfortable. We had moved all the
• 57:07
  Speaker 4: rocks out of the way. Like everything was just solid
• 57:11
  Speaker 4: as could be. Um, and then to sort of miss
• 57:15
  Speaker 4: like that, right.
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: A little bit.
• 57:16
  Speaker 4: It was, it was like, what's going on here?
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: You know?
• 57:20
  Speaker 4: And so we had just, we had definitely discussed the
• 57:22
  Speaker 4: wind a bunch, but like every time we're sitting there
• 57:24
  Speaker 4: feeling it, it just felt like it was just coming
• 57:26
  Speaker 4: right at us. And again, it's kind of like, it's tricky.
• 57:29
  Speaker 4: Cause that's, there's, that's a Canyon for you.
• 57:32
  Speaker 7: Right.
• 57:32
  Speaker 4: And so maybe it was right there at the muzzle,
• 57:36
  Speaker 4: but then, you know, 20 or 30 yards out from that,
• 57:39
  Speaker 4: it was blown left or right, you know? Um, so yeah,
• 57:43
  Speaker 4: we just, we just couldn't really feel it that it was,
• 57:46
  Speaker 4: it was going to push, push that much left to right.
• 57:50
  Speaker 5: Yeah. It's crazy how much it can move, man. And you,
• 57:53
  Speaker 5: and you, you are one of the more, I'd say this,
• 57:56
  Speaker 5: if you weren't here, you're one of the more methodical
• 57:59
  Speaker 5: shooters I've, I've been around too. Um, and I think
• 58:02
  Speaker 5: it just goes to show that those cross Canyon shots
• 58:05
  Speaker 5: can be really tricky because so much is happening between
• 58:09
  Speaker 5: you and the animal that it just doesn't make, make
• 58:12
  Speaker 5: sense sometimes. Um, But Buck is down. I mean, the
• 58:16
  Speaker 5: good thing is that you stayed on scope. You had
• 58:19
  Speaker 5: a good follow-up shot.
• 58:23
  Speaker 4: Speaking of that, let's just make another comment on.
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: I didn't even think about this for the suppressor.
• 58:30
  Speaker 4: It's like staying on scope, staying on target for follow-up shots,
• 58:35
  Speaker 4: seeing what your shots are doing. At 400 yards.
• 58:39
  Speaker 4: With that setup with the, with the, when I'm going
• 58:42
  Speaker 4: to attribute this to the suppressor, but like I was
• 58:44
  Speaker 4: watching my bullets hit him and man, that is huge Intel.
• 58:50
  Speaker 4: Cause what if it was like, you know, what if
• 58:52
  Speaker 4: both of them hit way low and I'm like, okay,
• 58:56
  Speaker 4: obviously like my dope is wrong.
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 58:59
  Speaker 4: Well, if you know, they both hit low, it's like, okay,
• 59:02
  Speaker 4: we'll make the adjustment to hit 10 inches higher and
• 59:05
  Speaker 4: shoot again.
• 59:06
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 59:06
  Speaker 4: But if your gun is bucking so much, that you're
• 59:10
  Speaker 4: losing that sight picture and you don't know where you're hitting,
• 59:13
  Speaker 4: then that's when stuff gets Western because you're like, oh
• 59:17
  Speaker 4: my gosh, I've waited all, I've put all this into this.
• 59:22
  Speaker 4: Now I have my opportunity. It's not going my way.
• 59:24
  Speaker 4: And you can get rattled really easily. And the next
• 59:28
  Speaker 4: thing you know, you burn up all 10 rounds of
• 59:30
  Speaker 4: ammo that you brought with you and he's still walking
• 59:32
  Speaker 4: around on the hillside. Yeah.
• 59:35
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, it's a debate right now in comp shooting,
• 59:41
  Speaker 5: suppressors versus brakes, right? Because a lot of being able
• 59:47
  Speaker 5: to track your bullet going through the air, right, has
• 59:50
  Speaker 5: to do with whether or not you're reacting to the
• 59:52
  Speaker 5: concussion that a brake causes. and cause right so you're
• 59:55
  Speaker 5: talking about recoil management and a brake does a little
• 59:57
  Speaker 5: bit better job but your ability to keep your eyes
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 5: open and watch that thing go through the air man
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 5: the suppressor you can't beat it and you're not really
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 5: when you flint you know and i don't mean flinch
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 5: when pulling the trigger but when you flinch on recoil
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 5: you're not really reacting to the recoil gun it's a
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 5: 65 prc right i think.
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: It's yeah i think it's more the sound and the.
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 5: Concussion concussion Right. Yeah. So it's, it's a really good point.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 4: I mean, I think that's why my girls are good
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 4: shooters is because they've never shot a gun that scares them.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 4: They've never had to.
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: Deal with that.
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 4: Maybe a little bit on like shooting a 20 gauge shotgun,
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 4: but like with rifles.
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: They're as calm as can be.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 4: Cause they're not like, they're not scared of the recoil
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 4: or the bang, the concussion or whatever it might be.
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 5: That's great. Um, so buck is down. Uh, What's going
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 5: through your mind immediately post-shot?
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: Pumped.
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 4: We were close enough in those mountains to town, and
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 4: it was early enough in the afternoon where once that
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 4: buck was down, we started figuring out what it was
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 4: going to take to hike over to him, butcher him,
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 4: film all of it, and then hike him out. That
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 4: we would probably be able to have pizza and beer.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 4: We'd be pushing it. We're going to come in right
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 4: at closing time. But more than likely, instead of eating
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 4: another rehydrated meal, we're going to be eating pizza and beer.
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 4: Did you?
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 5: Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. I slept in a hotel.
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 5: All right.
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: In a bed with sheets. Which is, you know, I think.
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 4: It's funny because you always think about that you really
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 4: want that. But honestly, it's a better story. And in
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 4: the end, it ends up probably being more fun to
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 4: go back to camp, eat whatever you got. Maybe we
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 4: had some beers there or not. I don't know. But
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 4: you make a fire. You celebrate there. And that's honestly
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 4: probably a better story to tell later. Then you're like, well, yeah.
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 4: And we just rushed out of there and made it
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 4: to a hotel and pizza and beer, you know, cause
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 4: we're all so soft that that's, that's what we need,
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 4: you know? Uh, but yeah, just like, just pumped, you know,
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 4: when it, when it happens and it, and it all,
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 4: it all comes through, you want to, uh, you want
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 4: to get over there and get your hands on him. And, uh,
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 4: you know, it was, even though it was early, it
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 4: was late enough that, and it turned out so that
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 4: we got to the truck, maybe, I don't know, 30
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 4: minutes after dark. And, uh, I don't know, hiking around
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 4: in those mountains off trail. It's, uh, it's always nicer
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 4: to do that in the daylight.
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 5: And, uh, he was on a pretty steep hillside. How
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 5: long does it take for you to break down a
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 5: mule deer? You know, you had Max there. Was he
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 5: helping with that process much?
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he helped.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 4: Um, I always figure for a bull elk, it's about
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 4: two hours. Um, you know, so for a mule deer,
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 4: it's honestly probably not that much faster. Yeah. It's smaller,
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 4: but you sort of still have all the same parts
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 4: that you have to deal with.
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: So I don't know, 90 minutes to two hours.
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 4: To get them, excuse me, to get them actually in
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 4: game bags and, you know, in the pack. Um, so yeah,
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 4: not too bad, you know, and it all takes longer
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 4: when we're filming that. That's, that's what really adds time
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 4: is that, uh, You can't rush through it. You know,
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 4: you got to give the camera operator time to get
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 4: the shots that they want to get. Sure.
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 5: Any idea how much your pack weighed once you got
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 5: loaded up?
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: Oh, man.
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 4: Max helped, you know, pack some meat out too. It
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 4: wasn't too, too bad. If I just had to throw
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 4: a number out there, 70.
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 6: Hmm.
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 4: Very manageable, you know, like enough that you like feel
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 4: the strain on your hips a little bit and your
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 4: knees a little bit, you know, when you're coming off
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 4: of a steep hillside. Um, but you know, I packed
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 4: the trekking poles around everywhere, although I only had one
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 4: that was in working order, uh, for that pack out.
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: But, uh, Yeah.
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 4: I mean, just enough that, you know, like you're, you're
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 4: carrying a pack and you know, the, the hips are
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 4: going to hurt a little bit when you, when you
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 4: get to the bottom, but definitely not a hundred pounds. Um,
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 4: I think once I get to a hundred, I'm strongly
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 4: considering like making two fifties versus one, one hundred. Um,
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 4: I just know too many people that have backs that are, uh,
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 4: going to probably be a problem for the rest of
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 4: their lives. And a lot of it came from, and
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 4: maybe it wasn't packing meat. Maybe it was from, you know,
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 4: shoveling too big and heavy as snow at one time
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 4: or whatever it was. But like, I don't want that
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 4: problem in my life until I die. Like I want
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 4: to have a good strong back. And so I got
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 4: no problem going back twice.
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: Saving my back.
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 5: Um, uh, uh, I thought a pretty thoughtful question. Um, Derek,
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 5: the fancy caveman wrote, uh, can you do a deep dive, uh,
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 5: on putting the food in the dead deer's mouth?
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: Oh, uh, sure.
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 4: Um, I can't remember exactly where I picked that up.
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 4: It was definitely at the original elk camp that I
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 4: guided at in Colorado. Man, I wish I could remember
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 4: like who exactly brought that to my attention, but, um,
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 4: I think at the time when I learned about it,
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 4: I think I was looking for a way to, you know,
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 4: maybe respect the animal a little bit. Or like in Europe,
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 4: a big thing is they, you know, they put, you
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 4: always see the boughs of, you know, usually it's like
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 4: a spruce branch or something on the animal. And if
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 4: you watch the Latvia episodes, you'll see that a lot
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 4: of it is like to cover up the wound. Like
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 4: there in Europe, at least where I've been in Europe,
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 4: it's like a sign of disrespect to like take pictures
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 4: of the wound. Like they want that animal to look,
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 4: you know, as much as it was when it was alive. Not,
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 4: I mean, not really recreating it being alive, but just
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 4: like that wound is somehow disrespectful to show it. So
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 4: they cover that up. And again, I don't know where
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 4: I picked it up from, but it was just sort
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 4: of like, Hey, if you're like sort of moving on
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 4: from this world that we're, we're at now, and you're
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 4: going to where dead deer go to, deer heaven, like
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 4: here's a little snack for the road ahead. I think
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 4: no matter what you do, I think the real thing
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 4: that you get out of it and that it does
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 4: for everybody is that it just slows everything down for
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 4: a second and makes you think about it and whether
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 4: it lets you just look around a little bit and
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 4: appreciate the country you're in, or just say thanks for
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 4: the animal for being there, or thanks to the big
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 4: game biologists that do all the work to have those
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 4: animals there.
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: Whatever it is, I.
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 4: Always regret it when we kill something, and then we
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 4: rush out of that situation as fast as we can.
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 4: Someone's like, okay, go get the can-am, and you're going
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 4: to chop it up, and blah, blah, blah, blah, and
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 4: we'll have pizza and beer in no time, right? It's
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 4: like there's no reason to rush out of there. Like,
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 4: enjoy it, you know, like soak it in. You're going
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 4: to be gone from that place. You may never go
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 4: back to that same Ridge, you know, look around. Um,
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 4: and I think that that's now I realize that that's
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 4: kind of what that does is by just taking a
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 4: moment to, you know, think about that as it just,
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 4: it just kind of slows everything down a little bit
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 4: and you get to, um, just get a little bit more,
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 4: add a little bit more to the experience.
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: That's great.
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 5: Um, That does it for questions. Anything you'd want to
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 5: finalize here? No, man.
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: Get out there and go hunting. That's all. Figure out
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 1: a way to do it.
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 4: And yeah, don't let having to buy expensive gear keep
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 4: you from doing it. And don't let stupid internet keep
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 4: you from doing it.
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: Like Instagram.
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 4: Instagram.
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 1: Quit scrolling and.
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 4: Figure out a way to buy a pair of boots
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 4: and a gun so you can get out there and
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 4: go hunting.
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: That's great. But you got one last clip.
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 5: Yeah, there's one last clip. I think it's just, man,
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 5: it's a good headspace that I think we should all
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 5: be in.
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 4: This is a surprise. I don't know what Phil's going
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 4: to play now.
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 3: I was just thinking about how heavy my pack was
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 3: starting to feel.
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 2: Oh.
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 4: Shoulders are getting a little sore.
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 1: Hips are feeling it.
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 3: Still got a couple miles. to go to the truck.
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 3: But then I thought, man, how lucky am I and
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 3: how lucky are we that we get to just do
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 3: this for fun and we have this opportunity for everybody
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 3: and enjoy the public lands and these hunting opportunities and
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 3: all the things to be grateful for when we get
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 3: to do this. not just the public lands, you know,
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 3: your family that lets you go and do this, an
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 3: employer in my case that pays me to go do
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 3: this and have a great time, and the wildlife managers
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 3: that make sure that we have these abundant populations of
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 3: game that we get to hunt. There's going to be
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 3: a lot of people I'll forget to say thank you to,
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 3: but instead of complaining about how heavy the pack feels,
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 3: it's better just to think about how grateful I am that, uh,
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 3: I even have the opportunity to have.
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 1: A heavy pack like this.
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 3: Thanks for watching. We'll see you next time.
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 4: Slippery. Almost went down hard there.
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 1: In my old age, Garrett, I'm losing my balance a
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 1: little bit.
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's, you know, that is a good headspace to
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 4: be in to, you know, always remember how fortunate we
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 4: all are. I've tried to bring that around to tell
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 4: me what you think about this. I've been doing some
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 4: announcing I was telling you about the varsity volleyball games
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 4: here at Bozeman High. And it seems like for some
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 4: reason people have quit singing the national anthem. Instead, we
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 4: just listen to like a recording or we listen to
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 4: if there's a singer that comes to sing it, we
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 4: listen to them sing it, which in some cases I agree.
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 4: In that case, maybe it's better just to listen. But like,
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 4: I feel like growing up, We always sang the national anthem.
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 4: And so, and I feel like it's kind of in
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 4: the same headspace. It's like when you sing the national anthem,
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 4: you're like, oh yeah, that's right. Like we're all Americans
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 4: and we're sort of like you're, it takes a second
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 4: to be like, oh yeah. Even though we all don't
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 4: always think the same way and things aren't going, you know,
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 4: the way we think they should be going or whatever.
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 4: It's like, we should still all appreciate, you know, being
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 4: Americans and getting to live in this country. Cause it's
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 4: pretty sweet compared to a lot of other places where
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 4: you could be in situations you could be in. And
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 4: so I think singing that national anthem is a good
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 4: way to remind us of all of that. And, uh,
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 4: same thing there when you're out hunting, the hunting sucks
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 4: and you're not seeing them. It's like, man, just, just like,
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 4: think about how like, it's pretty awesome. Cause again, like
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  Speaker 4: I can compare it to Europe. Like, in Latvia at
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 4: least like they don't have like even even it's probably
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  Speaker 4: not even two percent of like sort of the vastness
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  Speaker 4: of what we have especially in the Rocky Mountains and
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  Speaker 4: I would even say in a lot of places back
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  Speaker 4: in the east where they have large tracks and national
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  Speaker 4: forests where you can literally walk for miles like it's
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  Speaker 4: not a thing in Latvia sure to go walk for
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  Speaker 4: miles um And, uh, it's, um, it's something that we, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: we should all appreciate and remember, you know, that it's, uh,
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  Speaker 4: it's a real privilege.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, man. It's a good reminder for all of us.
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  Speaker 5: There's always something to bitch about.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 5: But, uh, life is pretty good on the side. Um,
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  Speaker 5: and you're right. We always did sing along to the
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 5: national anthem before.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So I'm, I'm trying to bring it back.
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  Speaker 4: I asked him to sing along when I, uh, I,
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  Speaker 4: I did announce a game on Saturday.
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  Speaker 5: Did they?
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  Speaker 1: I heard a little bit of it.
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  Speaker 4: A lot of people are going to be coming back
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  Speaker 4: because it's going to be the same parents coming back
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  Speaker 4: to see the same players. And so I'm hoping it's
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  Speaker 4: going to catch on. Because honestly, I looked at the
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  Speaker 4: words beforehand. I'm like, I know it pretty good, but
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  Speaker 4: I should brush up a little bit, right? Because it's
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 4: a lot easier to sing when you know what the
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 4: words are. And it's easy to forget the lyrics sometimes.
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  Speaker 1: Do you think you could sing it right now?
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  Speaker 7: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Every single word. No problem.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think so, man. Like, but, you know, I
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 5: went to a one room schoolhouse where, you know, that's
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 5: how we would start a lot of our day.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Raising the flag.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: I think, you know, when I don't sing it now,
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  Speaker 5: we're way off topic. But, you know, not all of
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  Speaker 5: us have like a singing voice like Phil.
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  Speaker 2: You know.
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  Speaker 6: I know.
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  Speaker 4: I know.
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  Speaker 5: You might be getting judged by the, you know, the
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 5: little ladies standing next to you.
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  Speaker 1: But that's fine. Like, we're all in it together.
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  Speaker 4: And, you know, there's great singers, there's bad ones, and
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 4: then there's everybody in between, you know. And it doesn't
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 4: really matter how it sounds. I think it's just like,
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  Speaker 4: you know, it's like a show of community.
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  Speaker 7: Sure.
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  Speaker 5: I'm sure there's a hunting parallel there. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I think it's just about being grateful for what
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 1: we have.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: That's great thank you all for listening and watching if
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 4: you went to youtube to watch this and uh hopefully
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 4: you like the video and um yeah I just got
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  Speaker 4: done filming an elk hunt that uh will probably be
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 4: a long episode with all kinds of action that you'll
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 4: be able to watch next year um what is that
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 4: it that's it nothing else from you Phil I think
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  Speaker 4: we're good to sign off.
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  Speaker 1: Y'all keep it real. Go hunting.