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Katie Woolf spoke with Chief Minister Michael Gunner · 360 with Katie Woolf

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Speaker 1: Now.
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Speaker 2: I am just reading in the Adelaide Advertiser right now
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Speaker 2: that the number of coronavirus cases in the new Adelaide
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Speaker 2: cluster has leapt to seventeen overnight, prompting Tasmania and the
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Speaker 2: Northern Territory to shut their borders to South Australia, with
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Speaker 2: others expected to follow suit. And joining me in the
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Speaker 2: studio right now is the Chief Minister of the Northern Territory,
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Speaker 2: Michael Gunner.
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Speaker 3: Good morning, Thank you, Katie. Chief. Busy morning for you.
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Speaker 2: I know that you've been out this morning obviously making
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Speaker 2: this announcement. But South Australia is now a hot spot.
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Speaker 1: That's right. I guess it shows these things can happen
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Speaker 1: very very quickly. We were concerned with the cases we
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Speaker 1: know about, but perhaps even more importantly what we don't know.
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Speaker 1: So there's going to be a large number of testing
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Speaker 1: done to see if there's been any spread beyond what
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Speaker 1: we already know, and that that's probably our concern, the
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Speaker 1: movement that's occurred prior to identification. So we thought about
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Speaker 1: this this morning about how do we define the hot
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Speaker 1: spot in this instance, and the long we looked at
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Speaker 1: we thought better go essay just go big and then
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Speaker 1: we can narrow it down if we need to. But
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Speaker 1: I'd much rather do that than go too and have
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Speaker 1: to widen than that. So we've done all of South
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Speaker 1: Australia effective immediately.
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Speaker 2: And essentially I guess we could wind up in a
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Speaker 2: situation if South Australia is able to contain this rather quickly,
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Speaker 2: then it may be that it's similar to what it was.
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Speaker 2: And I think it was Brisbane a few months back
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Speaker 2: where that hotspot declaration was made and then it was
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Speaker 2: reversed about seven.
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Speaker 1: Days later one week in Brisbane as those testing results
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Speaker 1: came in and became clear there was no community spread there.
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Speaker 1: So there's probably a couple of different scenarios from here.
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Speaker 1: As we know more, we may be our narrow the
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Speaker 1: hot spot definition down or lift and so either of
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Speaker 1: those ways that we go. But we just needed to
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Speaker 1: know more more information about how we handle it. It's
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Speaker 1: what we don't know that worries us at the moment
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Speaker 1: and we just needed to act quickly and earlier. Let
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Speaker 1: National Caninet know PM Premium rushall obviously, and others and
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Speaker 1: Tazzies come out today and made a similar announcement. Just
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Speaker 1: one important thing if you've come from Southustralia in recent days.
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Speaker 1: We're not quarantining you or asking you or directing you
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Speaker 1: to isolate, but we think you should be mindful of others.
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Speaker 1: You should consider isolation. You should definitely if you're in
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Speaker 1: any way showing unwellness, get tested and isolate. But at
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Speaker 1: this stage there's no direction anyone who's previously very recently
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Speaker 1: arrived from South Australia. We're just asking to be extremely
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Speaker 1: mindfuls advice from the Chief Officer at this stage.
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Speaker 2: Now let's talk Victoria Melbourne specifically that hot spot declaration
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Speaker 2: is going to be lifted the thirtieth of November.
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Speaker 1: Yes, that may surprise a few people who usually do
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Speaker 1: twenty eight days from date of announcement. But the extraordinary
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Speaker 1: success of Victoria, we've seen those donuts essentially now for
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Speaker 1: fourteen days and considering it, we see, well they've basically
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Speaker 1: done the replication cycle we're looking for already they've had
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Speaker 1: those fourteen days of zeros, So fourteen days not essentially
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Speaker 1: from today November thirty will be allowing people from Melbourne
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Speaker 1: into the territory about quarantining, so you're able to get
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Speaker 1: on the beers with your Melbourne mates, not your South
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Speaker 1: Autrali mates, unfortunately, and depending on what happens in essay,
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Speaker 1: we do remain on track probably for free travel through
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Speaker 1: this by Christmas. Obvious the essays throw and a.
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Speaker 2: A yeah, a real spanner in the works, I think
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Speaker 2: you'd have to say. And look, I think that it
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Speaker 2: really sort of demonstrates to everybody as well, the need
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Speaker 2: for us to really get it right when it gets
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Speaker 2: to when we talk about that hotel quarantining and people
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Speaker 2: quarantining as well. You know, we've seen in Melbourne how
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Speaker 2: bad things can get and that originated from the hotel
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Speaker 2: quarantine transmission, and then in South Australia they're saying the
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Speaker 2: same thing. I mean, when you take that into account,
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Speaker 2: how do you feel then on the weekend when we
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Speaker 2: find out that there's people breaching their quarantine. Two firefighters
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Speaker 2: obviously from Canada who've come across breached their quarantine, and
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Speaker 2: then you've got three other people I believe out in
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Speaker 2: how It Springs pushing each other around in a wheelie bin.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so you know, not happy when people don't obey
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Speaker 1: out at House Springs and the police sellers out there
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Speaker 1: very good at mainly police are very good at cracking
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Speaker 1: down on that and getting behavior. The compliance a house
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Speaker 1: Springs actually quite extraordinary still when you think about it,
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Speaker 1: up around over that ninety nine percent, and it's very hot.
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Speaker 1: I feel sorry fortaff who are working out there at
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Speaker 1: the moment, double gloved in the PPS and that's extremely
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Speaker 1: difficult working circumstances. But we still have a quite extraordinary
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Speaker 1: compliance rate with the two Canadians. My first question was about,
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Speaker 1: you know, we've going to all make revocation now on
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Speaker 1: safe plants for people who breach. They didn't come in under that.
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Speaker 1: There's essentially a national agreement how you handle their crews
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Speaker 1: and anything. So it's just be fair to say you're
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Speaker 1: not happy. And it's those things that may lead eventually
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Speaker 1: to community transmission in the territory somewhere. It's like, what's
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Speaker 1: something like that? So not happy at all that that
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Speaker 1: breach and obviously that they're being whacked with the fines.
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Speaker 2: To be honest, I was surprised that that they're even
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Speaker 2: quarantining in a hotel. I would have thought that any
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Speaker 2: international arrival was actually out of Howard Springs.
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Speaker 1: So it's a national arrangement around your hand about how
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Speaker 1: you handle these things. So it wasn't under the territory circumstances.
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Speaker 1: So I'm asking some more questions about how we handle
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Speaker 1: it's meant to be a temporary thing, not the fourteen days,
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Speaker 1: and so an ultimate quarantine arrangement that we're in greed
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Speaker 1: to nationally about how you handle some of these movements.
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Speaker 1: So we'll be looking at that. But we're obviously the
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Speaker 1: ones that wear control of house springs in superb success. Right.
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Speaker 1: Two practical things I should mention anyone who's arriving from
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Speaker 1: South Australia today or tomorrow, we're waving the twenty five
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Speaker 1: hundred because it's such late notice. We feelt that was fair.
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Speaker 1: There's two flights about a land. I think it's nine
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Speaker 1: twenty five and nine thirty five this morning, so we've
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Speaker 1: made an effort to get a hold of both those
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Speaker 1: airlines and make sure that the passengers on board are
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Speaker 1: informed now, not when they land and at the gate,
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Speaker 1: so try and make sure they get a message in
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Speaker 1: the air so they're aware of this well. Obviously if
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Speaker 1: they land, will then go to quarantine and we will
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Speaker 1: comp the twenty five hundred because of the late notice,
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Speaker 1: or they can return back to South Australia. They'll be
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Speaker 1: given that option, so but at their cost. Obviously at
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Speaker 1: their cost. So we're just working that through now because
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Speaker 1: it's obviously there in the air when they boarded, there
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Speaker 1: wasn't a hot spot. When they landed, there will be
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Speaker 1: a hot spot.
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Speaker 3: So, my dear, how many people are on those flights.
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Speaker 1: I know we're getting that advice now because it hadn't
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Speaker 1: previously been coming from a hot spot. That makes sense.
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Speaker 1: We've been tracking the Melbourne flights more closely with the
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Speaker 1: detail so there are two more flights planned for later today,
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Speaker 1: but they will know before they get on the plane
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Speaker 1: what the situation is and they'll be making a decision
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Speaker 1: before they get on about going into quarantine.
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Speaker 3: Okay, I've got a question for one of our listeners.
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Speaker 2: It says Hi Katie, I totally support the decision action,
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Speaker 2: the decisive action. Sorry re South Australia, but why can't
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Speaker 2: NT have a system where NT residents caught up in
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Speaker 2: this if they can safely home quarantine upon return, put
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Speaker 2: up a bond, submit to testing, etc. And stay at home,
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Speaker 2: this is at least a step towards the new normal.
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Speaker 1: So at this stage we consider that regularly. But whether
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Speaker 1: we can or can't go down that path at this stage.
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Speaker 1: We just have so much trust in the House Springs
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Speaker 1: facility and how it works that we just don't want
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Speaker 1: to go down the path of home quarantine right now.
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Speaker 1: We tried it and we made a decision to go
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Speaker 1: away from it into the house springs set up. I
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Speaker 1: unseend with people are coming from much rather quarantine at
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Speaker 1: home two if I was in a similar situation. So
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Speaker 1: I get that we don't have the confidence at this
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Speaker 1: stage to go down that path. We think the house
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Speaker 1: springs set up as much more secure.
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Speaker 2: Just to go back to those arrangements with the federal
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Speaker 2: government in terms of people that are traveling to the
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Speaker 2: Northern Territory to quarrelarantine and then going on to another
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Speaker 2: state i e.
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Speaker 3: The firefighters from Canada.
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Speaker 2: I mean, are you annoyed that you're sort of being
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Speaker 2: told what to do in that situation when potentially we
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Speaker 2: could end up with somebody like that breaching the breaching
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Speaker 2: their COVID restrictions or quarantining and passing it on.
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Speaker 1: It's it's just a permanent risk we're going to have
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Speaker 1: as we manage this as a country. The area of
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Speaker 1: greatest risk is international. I think we know that, and
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Speaker 1: so again an essay is my understanding as we do
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Speaker 1: the genomic research, I won't be surprised all if it's
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Speaker 1: from international they're doing that genomic research. International remains the
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Speaker 1: greatest risk of how you handle the internationals is the
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Speaker 1: biggest thing. For one reason why the Australian government wants
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Speaker 1: to use the CeNSE of national resilience because it's the
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Speaker 1: most trusted form of quarantine in the country right now.
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Speaker 1: It's the absolute best, it's the gold standard. So the
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Speaker 1: alternate quarantine arrangements are things that we're going to have
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Speaker 1: to work mindful of and we're working very closely on.
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Speaker 1: We do significant personal visits. How we caught them right?
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Speaker 1: System works because we caught them.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's not ideal then to have people
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Speaker 2: traveling when you take those two points into account, it's
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Speaker 2: not idea all then have international people traveling here to
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Speaker 2: the territory and staying in a hotel rather than out
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Speaker 2: at Howard Springs, is it?
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Speaker 1: No, that's and that's that national arrangement that we're working through.
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Speaker 2: Now, those quarantining are they paying their bills up front
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Speaker 2: or how is that working?
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Speaker 1: So they get sent the invoice, so MI understanding. The
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Speaker 1: payments are coming in, so it's I can't tell you
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Speaker 1: that the billing rate. When we said how long after
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Speaker 1: they leave do we send them the invoice? I should
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Speaker 1: actually ask that question, but minds sting is health and
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Speaker 1: managing that they get sent the invoice and the payments
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Speaker 1: are slowly coming in. There's also from memory, there's a
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Speaker 1: hardship register or hardship payment, so you can you can
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Speaker 1: put a case about about doing that, and we're sympathetic
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Speaker 1: for that. Sorry, to go back to the earlier question
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Speaker 1: from the listener, there are circumstances which we would consider
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Speaker 1: home quarantines medical for examples, and obvious one where you
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Speaker 1: might be returning from a particular surgery and you may
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Speaker 1: need to home quarantine. So depends so you ask, depends
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Speaker 1: on the circumstances upon which you're returning that they will
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Speaker 1: consider that.
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Speaker 3: It's rare.
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Speaker 1: It's rare, so please don't get a lot people's hopes up.
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Speaker 1: That's rare. But you can ask about the whole quarantine
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Speaker 1: arrangement if there's certain circumstances.
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Speaker 2: Okay, let's move along, because I do want to ask
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Speaker 2: you about another situation obviously from last week. We know
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Speaker 2: the government issued a press release early last week saying
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Speaker 2: that legislation in terms of Dan Murphy's and a couple
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Speaker 2: of other well, it was being rushed through for the
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Speaker 2: Dan Murphy's decision, which would mean that there'd be an
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Speaker 2: answer as to whether they would or would not be
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Speaker 2: able to go ahead within thirty days. I guess what
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Speaker 2: most people probably didn't realize when that legislation was going
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Speaker 2: through parliament initially was that there was actually four applications
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Speaker 2: in total. So we knew about the Dan Murphy's application
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Speaker 2: and also the Pearl and Gimpi application to reinstate takeaway alcohol,
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Speaker 2: but then we learned that there were two more which
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Speaker 2: are now also going to fall under these proposed changes.
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Speaker 2: They are Liquor Land as I understand it, added Oasis
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Speaker 2: Palmeston shopping center and a proposed takeaway outlet in Jurak Chief.
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Speaker 3: When did you realize that these.
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Speaker 2: Applications would also fall under this legislative change, meaning that
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Speaker 2: they too would need an answer before Christmas?
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Speaker 1: From memory on the Tuesday, so in briefing sessions, I
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Speaker 1: think the doctor I didn't do this briefly session, so
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Speaker 1: I think it was the nt CAT pointed out that
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Speaker 1: these were in the pure process as well, and there
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Speaker 1: were historic applications, So obviously the purpose of the bill
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Speaker 1: was to deal with historic applications and they therefore got
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Speaker 1: caught up in that. So these are applications that were
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Speaker 1: lodged prior to the new Act, and so the intention
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Speaker 1: of the legislation is essentially make sure we get a
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Speaker 1: decision on all those applications that we're considered were put
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Speaker 1: in prior to the new Act being created.
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Speaker 2: Now, my understanding is that the Director of Liquor Licensing
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Speaker 2: obviously has to hand down decision within thirty days and
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Speaker 2: will not be required to consider community impact, despite having
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Speaker 2: the authority to allow the applicants to move where they
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Speaker 2: want to, you know, where they want the stores to go,
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Speaker 2: and can vary their conditions on their licenses.
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Speaker 3: Is that correct?
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Speaker 1: I think this is important point to clarify. They may
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Speaker 1: consider it. So it's not been suspended and it's not won't.
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Speaker 1: It's may and that obviously he's up to the Director
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Speaker 1: of Licensing how they handle how he handles that. But
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Speaker 1: i've seen it reported as suspended or won't. If that's
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Speaker 1: not the case, it's may. So I think obviously he
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Speaker 1: will now handle his decision within the thirty days and
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Speaker 1: go through his own precess about how he handles that.
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Speaker 1: But it's may not won't.
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Speaker 3: Is that appropriate in your eyes?
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Speaker 1: Well, it's about you need to take on all the
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Speaker 1: information you can to be a making decision within thirty days.
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Speaker 1: And so for me, it was about giving the Director
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Speaker 1: of Licensing the ability to make the right decisions about
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Speaker 1: how he handles that as opposed to us directing. So
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Speaker 1: for me and then it's important it's may not won't.
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Speaker 1: And I think it's been reported as won't consider. That's
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Speaker 1: not the case. He may consider and he takes into
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Speaker 1: his decision making.
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Speaker 2: Okay, So what about then, is it a situation where
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Speaker 2: once a decision has been made, the reasons behind the
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Speaker 2: decisions won't be made public.
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Speaker 1: No, that's not true.
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Speaker 3: So they will be made public.
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Speaker 2: So whichever decision, whether you're talking about you know, those
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Speaker 2: two licenses out in Palmerston, whether you're talking about Dan
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Speaker 2: Murphy's or whether you're talking about Pearlin kim Be, they
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Speaker 2: there is now an understanding that all of those the
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Speaker 2: reasons behind the decision, it will be made public.
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Speaker 1: The Director of Licensing will release a statement of reasons
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Speaker 1: for the.
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Speaker 2: Decision, okay, and it'll go into to the extent of
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Speaker 2: obviously why it has or hasn't been able to go ahead.
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Speaker 1: That's my that's my understanding. Worst reasons will.
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Speaker 2: I know that there was questions last week from the
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Speaker 2: opposition I believe and others as to whether there was
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Speaker 2: advice sought from the government to the Solicitor General when
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Speaker 2: this legislation was put together.
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Speaker 1: Not that I'm aware of.
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Speaker 3: Should there have been?
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Speaker 1: Do you reckon well, the Sister General. That's not really
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Speaker 1: the role of the SG.
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Speaker 2: Normally, Okay, I mean you at all concerned that this
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Speaker 2: change could have more widespread ramifications which had not previously
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Speaker 2: thought of.
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Speaker 1: That's not my understanding. No one's raised anything with me
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Speaker 1: that would be an undertended consequence. So this is simply
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Speaker 1: about closing off the four historic applications.
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Speaker 2: Look, I think for me, I know, and I know
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Speaker 2: that there's lots of people out there listening as well
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Speaker 2: who'll feel the same. You know, some of these decisions
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Speaker 2: they've been in the you know, like in the pipeline
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Speaker 2: for such a long period of time that they just
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Speaker 2: want to get some clarification whether they can or cannot
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Speaker 2: go ahead. But I guess then from the opponent's perspective,
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Speaker 2: even with Dan Murphy's you know, you've got people raising
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Speaker 2: these health concerns. And then out in Palmerston, as I
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Speaker 2: understand it, there had been some concerns raised about whether
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Speaker 2: it would mean increased antisocial behavior and things like that
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Speaker 2: in some of those locations. So I suppose, you know,
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Speaker 2: when you take all of those different feelings into account,
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Speaker 2: or all of those different reasonings into account, you can
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Speaker 2: understand why some people are maybe worried that the legislation's
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Speaker 2: been rushed.
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Speaker 1: I think there's a couple of things to bear in
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Speaker 1: mind there. The first is, I think the director of
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Speaker 1: licensing obviously will speak for himself and do his own work,
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Speaker 1: but they seem like very obvious things for a director
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Speaker 1: of licensing to consider. And the other thing is we
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Speaker 1: had the floor price now in the Northern Territory, so
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Speaker 1: nobody can sell that cheap dirty alcohol. That's what the
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Speaker 1: floor price does. I think I've seen some comments that
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Speaker 1: seem to be treating that one almost as a dry,
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Speaker 1: dry community, like you can buy alcohol already in Darwin,
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Speaker 1: so it's not breaking news that you now something about
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Speaker 1: buy alcohol in Darwin, inspect considering whether these are licenses
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Speaker 1: that are or are not or should or should not open.
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Speaker 1: But it's not going to something introduce alcohol into darn
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Speaker 1: and Palmerson. That was like you can buy alcohol and
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Speaker 1: Darne and Palmerston.
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Speaker 2: I know the Independent Liquor Commissioner Richard Coates. He's told
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Speaker 2: the ABC that this fast track decision process for a
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Speaker 2: proposed Murphy store in Darwin does not allow for proper
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Speaker 2: consideration of the health impacts of the outlet. To these
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Speaker 2: changes undermine public trust in the system, I don't believe.
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Speaker 1: So. So these are what four years running. I don't
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Speaker 1: think it's something going to take people by surprise that
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Speaker 1: there's an application around Adan Murphy's here and the direct
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Speaker 1: loss of license. You can make the decision. So we're
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Speaker 1: simply seeking for a decision we made. I don't know
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Speaker 1: what decision will be by the way, yes or no,
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Speaker 1: but we're simply saying we want a final decision made
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Speaker 1: and just let everybody everybody know. So my experience with
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Speaker 1: business when you talk to them is they want a
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Speaker 1: quick decision. They obviously prefer a yes, but they rather
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Speaker 1: a quick no to a slow no. Or a four
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Speaker 1: year maybe. So it's about just getting a decision made
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Speaker 1: and I'll move on with it.
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Speaker 2: I know that mister co has also told the ABC
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Speaker 2: that he and other members of the Liquor Commission's fifteen
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Speaker 2: person board had considered resigning over the government's move to
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Speaker 2: override the Commission's decision.
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Speaker 3: Are you concerned that they are going to resign.
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Speaker 1: I'm very grateful for the work they've done today, and
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Speaker 1: I think there shows and what we did, which was
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Speaker 1: to not touch the new Act and not touch the
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Speaker 1: rather the Liquor Comission with the new Act. This is
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Speaker 1: about historic applications that were essentially lodged under the old Act. Obviously,
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Speaker 1: they made their comments and didn't chose not to resign,
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Speaker 1: but hopefully they look at what we did, which was
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Speaker 1: not to interfere in the new Act or the Liquor
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Speaker 1: Commission's role though liqu Commission's formed to deal with the
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Speaker 1: new Act, and that's what's happening.
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Speaker 2: Look, there is one other thing that I do want
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Speaker 2: to ask you about quickly. I know you pressed for
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Speaker 2: time and we're all running a bit late this morning,
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Speaker 2: but I do want to also ask you about an
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Speaker 2: issue that we learned about last week involving youth crime. Obviously,
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Speaker 2: we've been talking about youth crime on various occasions, and
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Speaker 2: we caught up with Commander Matt hollandb last week and
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Speaker 2: spoke about some of the issues in the Northern Suburbs.
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Speaker 2: But I'll tell you what I think that I and
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Speaker 2: so many listeners were quite concerned to hear that there's
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Speaker 2: obviously a group of about fifteen to twenty youths that
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Speaker 2: are involved in some of the crime that's going on
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Speaker 2: in the Northern Suburbs at the moment. Most of those
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Speaker 2: are aged between ten to fourteen, some of them obviously
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Speaker 2: roaming the streets at night. In some cases the police
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Speaker 2: are actually having to take these kids home ten times
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Speaker 2: in one night.
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Speaker 3: Like, to me, that is just unbelievable.
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Speaker 2: I mean, are you concerned that this is a situation
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Speaker 2: where obviously the police are wasting their time and resources
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Speaker 2: and where the heck of their parents.
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Speaker 1: So unfortunately this is not isolated and it comes and
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Speaker 1: goes across the territory, but it's too frequent. An occurrence
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Speaker 1: where you have youth kids tends to tens of kid.
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Speaker 1: I feel like it's intense of kid, not a youth
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Speaker 1: but you have yeah, very young. Yeah, you have youth
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Speaker 1: who don't have unfortunately a healthy, strong, safe family environment.
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Speaker 1: It puts a big workload on police and territory families.
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Speaker 1: And you always go back to the question you asked
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Speaker 1: and where parents? So you don't want police to be
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Speaker 1: a taxi service. That's not the point of police. What
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Speaker 1: we always say is if you see a kid on
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Speaker 1: the streets, I think we've had this conversation, Katie, so
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Speaker 1: forgive me forever, says before you want the police to
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Speaker 1: go to the home with the kids, so you know
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Speaker 1: what's happening at the home, and then territory families can
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Speaker 1: follow up and say, right, is this a safe place?
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Speaker 1: What's going on and make decisions of territory of families
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Speaker 1: and needs to make about different levels of all types
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Speaker 1: of intervention. So you do want the police to go
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Speaker 1: to the family home, so that that's that debate about
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Speaker 1: safe house. It's a safe place for me. There needs
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Speaker 1: to be a visit to the family home on the
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Speaker 1: night so you know what the hell's going on to
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Speaker 1: family because you don't go there, you don't.
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Speaker 2: Know, Yeah, and something's broken if the police are taking
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Speaker 2: them home. Up to ten times in a night. I
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Speaker 2: mean like we're you know, we're at what point do
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Speaker 2: do go?
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Speaker 3: I don't know.
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Speaker 2: Does somebody else step in and say, will is this
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Speaker 2: a safe place?
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Speaker 1: Well? That triggers Territory Families and the work they're doing
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Speaker 1: in and around the parents where we want to bring
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Speaker 1: back and work to make stronger family responsibility agreements. But
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Speaker 1: obviously this tertiar family have make the decisions they make,
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Speaker 1: but they need If something like that's happening, then that
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Speaker 1: sends snarious alarm bells through government and territory families. As
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Speaker 1: you follow up, and I don't want to I don't
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Speaker 1: want to comment general chairs, but about how you do
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Speaker 1: that with a family because it can lead to a
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Speaker 1: very tragic outcome.
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Speaker 3: Absolutely, oh, absolutely, one hundred percent.
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Speaker 2: We might actually see if we can get in contact
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Speaker 2: with the Minister for Territory Families, Kate Warden later on
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Speaker 2: in the week and speak in more.
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Speaker 3: Depth about it. Chief Minister. We better leave it there.
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Speaker 3: Thanks so much for your time this morning.
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Speaker 1: Thank you