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Pulp Blotter Book Club #23 - Palomino v. 1-2 · 22 Panels - A Comic Book Podcast

• 0:02
  Tad Eggleston: Good morning, everybody! Welcome back to 22 Panels in the Pulp Blotter Book Club. We have a, a new, new, new member trying out
• 0:13
  Tad Eggleston: Actually, I think we're trying out for him
• 0:16
  Tad Eggleston: Because I know I won't kick them away. Dan Newland from,
• 0:20
  Tad Eggleston: the, the, the, the warm state of, of North Dakota,
• 0:24
  Tad Eggleston: Probably… are you snowed in right now?
• 0:28
  dnewland: It is beautiful out here right now. We've, we had, like, a foot of… we had, like, a foot of snow literally just a couple weeks ago. But, once spring hits, we usually have…
• 0:37
  dnewland: Something like 6 days in the spring and fall that are absolutely beautiful, between scalding temperatures and a horrific cold, so…
• 0:46
  Tad Eggleston: It sounds similar to Chicago.
• 0:48
  dnewland: Yeah, the only climate near to us is Siberia in Russia. That's as far away from a major body of water and inland as we are, so…
• 0:57
  dnewland: We are basically the American Siberia.
• 1:00
  Sean Harklerode: Continentality.
• 1:01
  Tad Eggleston: Beautiful.
• 1:02
  dnewland: home.
• 1:03
  Tad Eggleston: But yeah.
• 1:05
  dnewland: Roger Peter.
• 1:05
  Tad Eggleston: As always, Mark Pratt and Sean Harkle Road,
• 1:09
  Tad Eggleston: So, Palomino, I love this book. I've been trying to have this be a book for this book club since before Sean was even in the book club, so I'm so happy that we're finally in it. I will quickly plug that the Kickstarter has now gone live, so anybody who wants…
• 1:25
  Tad Eggleston: to read what we talk about can go back it and get all six volumes. If they don't want to wait for later volumes, you can go to Dark Planet Comics to order…
• 1:36
  Tad Eggleston: earlier ones. First thoughts?
• 1:51
  Tad Eggleston: I have a feeling Mark didn't like it as much as I do.
• 1:55
  dnewland: I would be on your side.
• 1:56
  Mark Pracht: I…
• 1:58
  Mark Pracht: I mean, I liked it a lot, I like the tone of it, I like the style of it. The art is hit or miss for me.
• 2:07
  Mark Pracht: But… I do have to admit, and it's, it's, I… Steven Frank, for me.
• 2:20
  Mark Pracht: I thought this when I read Silver, too. The pacing is a little slow for me.
• 2:27
  Tad Eggleston: Okay.
• 2:27
  Mark Pracht: I think… I think we could get to…
• 2:30
  Mark Pracht: the meat of the matter a little bit faster. I… I was… I was a bit taken aback when we finished two volumes, and we were still in the middle of
• 2:42
  Mark Pracht: The same, you know, no end in sight of the same murder mystery, you know?
• 2:48
  Mark Pracht: Yeah.
• 2:49
  Mark Pracht: That's mine.
• 2:53
  Sean Harklerode: I would agree with that. I mean, I feel like…
• 2:56
  Sean Harklerode: the first… I feel like the first volume…
• 2:59
  Sean Harklerode: I felt like I'd… maybe that was, like, the first 10 minutes of a noir film.
• 3:06
  Tad Eggleston: Well, and see…
• 3:07
  Sean Harklerode: I feel like maybe we got to the first… into the first act with the second volume. I enjoy it, and I really love the interviews and the history of the Valley, in the back.
• 3:22
  Sean Harklerode: Because you really get a sense of his love of the music and that time.
• 3:30
  Tad Eggleston: See, this is… this is… this is so funny, because,
• 3:34
  Tad Eggleston: like, I don't disagree with what you're saying, and I view it as a feature, not a bug. I like the pacing.
• 3:42
  Tad Eggleston: I like… that… We linger a little and see the space in between, and it's not just…
• 3:53
  Tad Eggleston: Bang, bang, bang.
• 3:55
  Tad Eggleston: But I'm weird, so, like, I get that.
• 4:02
  Tad Eggleston: Well, I, like, really appreciate the fact that, like, it's one part working on the case, and it's one part…
• 4:11
  Tad Eggleston: like…
• 4:15
  Tad Eggleston: Learning about the characters, and their lives, and the stuff that they've got going on while they're working on the case, and learning backstory, and like, it's not…
• 4:26
  Tad Eggleston: It's not strictly a mystery, like, and as it spreads out, it becomes… even less a mystery.
• 4:35
  Tad Eggleston: But that's something that we'll get into way more…
• 4:39
  Tad Eggleston: Next month and the month after.
• 4:41
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, the mystery's a… there.
• 4:45
  Tad Eggleston: But I feel like the mystery's a vehicle for…
• 4:50
  Sean Harklerode: I would say that probably, having… this is not your first read-through.
• 4:55
  Sean Harklerode: of this, I believe, correct, Tad? No.
• 4:59
  Tad Eggleston: No, I've read it many times, but I started by reading just Volume 1 after Howard Chaikin told me to.
• 5:04
  Sean Harklerode: Right, so you've got a little leg up, so all I'm going on is what I've seen so far.
• 5:11
  Tad Eggleston: Oh, absolutely.
• 5:12
  Sean Harklerode: And I'm… I'm left… I'm not sure where this is going at this point.
• 5:18
  dnewland: Oh, no, this…
• 5:19
  Sean Harklerode: I'm enjoying… I'm enjoying the trip, but I… I don't.
• 5:23
  Tad Eggleston: No, no, and that's where I was at the end of Volume 1, and then at the end of Volume 2, because, I mean, initially.
• 5:30
  Tad Eggleston: I had time between reading stuff, so I have some memory of how I was. I didn't know where it was going, but I knew I was along for the ride.
• 5:38
  Sean Harklerode: Right.
• 5:39
  Tad Eggleston: Because I liked the pacing, I liked the questions being answered.
• 5:43
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 5:46
  Tad Eggleston: Or asked, not answered. Sorry, Dan, I didn't mean to cut you off.
• 5:50
  dnewland: No, no worries. I mean, this was my first read-through of it, and I think I had advantage there in terms of…
• 5:56
  dnewland: The fact that I agree, sort of with Mark, that the pacing is stretched out.
• 6:03
  dnewland: if I'd been reading these as, say, single-issue floppies, I think it would have gotten really frustrating after a while. There's… there's a fight scene in Issue 2 that goes for 14 pages.
• 6:12
  Mark Pracht: Yeah.
• 6:13
  dnewland: the one in the bathroom. And it's like, you know, a lot of those are really… are large panels and the like, and everything, and…
• 6:21
  dnewland: they're beautiful, a lot of them, and it really is fun to go through and the like, but I think just in terms of real estate, if I'd been buying these as, like, you know, $4, $5 floppies or whatever, I would have been, like, I would prefer to have this condensed a bit.
• 6:37
  dnewland: As I'm reading through them as graphic novels now, and don't have to worry about the page count, it's almost more like manga.
• 6:43
  dnewland: Where you can.
• 6:44
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, I was, I was gonna print…
• 6:45
  dnewland: enjoy it and not worry about it. I think the pacing kind of almost breaks down more in the way of, like, a manga would in some ways at times.
• 6:53
  Tad Eggleston: And I don't remember, I think he might have done, like, one issue as a floppy when he was still…
• 6:58
  Tad Eggleston: like, really early, and, like, as proof of concept, but, I mean, it's come out as volumes.
• 7:05
  Sean Harklerode: Okay, that makes a lot more sense to me.
• 7:09
  Mark Pracht: Right.
• 7:10
  Sean Harklerode: That… that… in that case, I… you know, I'm… I was assuming that this was coming out in floppies, and I was like, I don't know that it would have… okay. So, yes, I… I can definitely see that, and I will say that, the format, those big panels and everything, it's fantastic to read on a Kindle.
• 7:29
  Mark Pracht: Yeah.
• 7:30
  Sean Harklerode: 100%. It's really one of the easier reads I've had on a Kindle.
• 7:36
  Mark Pracht: Right. I mean, look, I… I know when I… when I first… I met Stephen Frank when I bought
• 7:43
  Mark Pracht: Silver.
• 7:45
  Sean Harklerode: Yeah, me too.
• 7:46
  Mark Pracht: a few years ago.
• 7:48
  Mark Pracht: and… Yes.
• 7:51
  Mark Pracht: Yeah. Stefan.
• 7:55
  Mark Pracht: And, you know, he was telling me about how he'd come out of television and things like that, and I mean, that really…
• 8:01
  Tad Eggleston: His first gig was on American Tale Five-O Goes West.
• 8:06
  Mark Pracht: Right.
• 8:07
  Mark Pracht: So, but, I mean, like, I can… I feel that when I read this. I feel like he's trying to write…
• 8:16
  Mark Pracht: comics like a television series, right?
• 8:19
  Tad Eggleston: He definitely has an animation background.
• 8:21
  Mark Pracht: Right. But I, but I, you know, I… I have to admit that, like, I was thinking about this in terms of…
• 8:28
  Mark Pracht: other crime books that I have loved, I mean, deeply loved, which, like, the one that comes immediately to mind is Southern Bastards, and I… this is just what I'm thinking, is, like, every time… Southern Bastards, about every four issues, you got a resolution of something that moved into the next thing.
• 8:46
  Mark Pracht: And this, it just sort of feels like we're…
• 8:48
  Mark Pracht: You know, if I was watching…
• 8:53
  Mark Pracht: this is neither good or bad, but it's just my reaction to it, is that, you know, I was like, I kind of wanted something to resolve and move into the next phase, like, oh, we learned this, and then that changes how we look at the situation, and then we go on to the next thing.
• 9:10
  Mark Pracht: And I felt like it's just sort of like, things happen.
• 9:14
  Mark Pracht: And then you go on to the next thing. And it's like…
• 9:17
  Mark Pracht: That… that becomes frustrating for me as a reader.
• 9:22
  Mark Pracht: Just because it generally makes me… say, what…
• 9:32
  Mark Pracht: You know, that's what gets me to pick up the next volume, you know?
• 9:36
  Mark Pracht: is when I say.
• 9:40
  Mark Pracht: you know, wow, okay, I found that out. Now what are we gonna… now what's gonna happen? And that's… that's neither here nor there, and I understand that this is what he's, you know, this is his story… storytelling style, and that's fine. I'm just a real pacing freak, you know? I mean…
• 9:56
  Mark Pracht: Sean knows it. When I'm working on a play, it's always like, it's gotta be 2 hours, period. End of story, you know? It's like…
• 10:04
  Mark Pracht: and that's… that's just my… my mindset whenever I go into something.
• 10:10
  Mark Pracht: And that's all I have to say.
• 10:12
  Tad Eggleston: I think that's one of the things that I love about comics as a medium.
• 10:17
  Tad Eggleston: Though, is that… It's easier to play
• 10:24
  Tad Eggleston: Play with pacing a lot without expecting
• 10:31
  Tad Eggleston: Like, the… the… the massive change…
• 10:35
  Tad Eggleston: In how your reader approaches it.
• 10:38
  Tad Eggleston: Cause, like, I mean, you're talking about keeping a play to 2 hours, like, I read each of these volumes in an hour.
• 10:47
  Tad Eggleston: But, you know.
• 10:48
  Mark Pracht: That's not… that's not really what I'm talking about, Tad.
• 10:51
  Tad Eggleston: No, no, no, I understand.
• 10:52
  Mark Pracht: like, I'm… I'm fully committed to reading this entire… the entire thing, right? But if I had just picked up this first volume and read it.
• 11:04
  Mark Pracht: I… I don't know that I would have been really hot to try to pick up the next one.
• 11:09
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 11:10
  Tad Eggleston: That's all. And I get that,
• 11:16
  Tad Eggleston: Even though I had the exact opposite response.
• 11:22
  Tad Eggleston: But what I was trying to say is that like…
• 11:31
  Tad Eggleston: In film, on stage, even to a certain extent,
• 11:39
  Tad Eggleston: In prose, stretching out the pacing
• 11:42
  Tad Eggleston: almost always requires taking significantly more time from your audience. So it requires them to have
• 11:53
  Tad Eggleston: More patience, more focus.
• 11:55
  Tad Eggleston: In comics, you can stretch out the pacing
• 11:59
  Tad Eggleston: With similar time and focus commitments?
• 12:05
  Tad Eggleston: Does that make sense?
• 12:08
  Mark Pracht: Oh, sure, but I mean, what I was talking about was more about my mindset as a storyteller.
• 12:13
  Tad Eggleston: No, I agree.
• 12:15
  Mark Pracht: mean and mean. That wasn't you.
• 12:18
  Tad Eggleston: Off of that to the medium.
• 12:20
  Mark Pracht: Right.
• 12:20
  Tad Eggleston: It's amazing.
• 12:23
  Tad Eggleston: allows for…
• 12:26
  Mark Pracht: But as Dan said, you know, like, we have a fight scene in Volume 2 that goes on for 14 pages, and…
• 12:36
  Mark Pracht: That…
• 12:38
  Mark Pracht: I understand… I understand the power of stretching out moments, right? Like, I read… I read Eisner Miller, and they spent, like.
• 12:48
  Mark Pracht: 120 pages talking about that as the power of comics was, you know, that it's about controlling time, right?
• 12:54
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, I'm talking… I'm thinking of, Spike on one of my panels talking about One Punch Man, and the, like, 25 pages for one punch. Sure.
• 13:06
  Mark Pracht: Yeah, yeah. I mean, and the thing is, is that you can make that… you can make that interesting, and you can…
• 13:14
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, what I love about that particular scene isn't even just the fight, it's that…
• 13:22
  Tad Eggleston: Like, we know that character enough.
• 13:25
  Tad Eggleston: That the way he responds feels…
• 13:33
  Tad Eggleston: out of character to me. So, like, the whole fight, I'm trying to figure out…
• 13:38
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, even as I re-read it, and, like, because I am blessed with a terrible memory, and therefore, when I reread things, I often…
• 13:46
  Tad Eggleston: don't remember what anymore. So, re-reading it last night, as… as I'm turning the pages, I'm like, did he get drugged? You know, why… why did he go so quickly to full-on…
• 14:00
  Tad Eggleston: fight mode, and it's like, oh, because he knows just enough of what's going on that he felt like somebody came to kill him. But it took…
• 14:09
  Tad Eggleston: because it…
• 14:10
  Tad Eggleston: because it's stretched out for that time, like, as I'm turning the pages, I'm looking at every clue, every, you know, what's going on? Why is Larry off the… off the rails here?
• 14:26
  Tad Eggleston: You know…
• 14:27
  Mark Pracht: Well.
• 14:28
  Tad Eggleston: I love that scene.
• 14:32
  Tad Eggleston: But I get, I get…
• 14:34
  Mark Pracht: Fair enough. I mean, like, I'm not… I'm not saying that. I mean, like, I guess, for myself.
• 14:40
  Mark Pracht: I… I immediately clocked, oh, well, he's scared to death that these people are coming to kill him.
• 14:47
  Mark Pracht: And… I… you know, whatever, I…
• 14:53
  dnewland: It does seem, though, like there is a number of points here where, like, again, I just went in and looked, and I think something like 21 of the last two… 21 of the last 22 panels, or pages of the second volume, are full page.
• 15:07
  dnewland: shots. Unless… unless my Kindle or my, you know, Samsung Tab is doing something weird. And that's just a lot of…
• 15:15
  dnewland: of spend on real estate. A lot of times with a page, I'm like… a comic page is supposed to take a certain amount of time. So if I'm given a full-page spread, that should mean that I'm supposed to be paying attention to this particularly.
• 15:29
  dnewland: And once you put, like, 5 or 6 or 10 of them in a row.
• 15:33
  dnewland: I think it's almost like turning the speed on your podcast up to 1.5. After a certain point, you're no longer recognizing that it's supposed… it's at a different speed. Now I'm just flipping through these one at a time, like they're panels instead of pages.
• 15:48
  dnewland: So that… that was one thing I found a little weird, was the number of…
• 15:55
  dnewland: And they're fantastic looking, I mean, I love the coloring, I love… I really do love the art style in this. But it seems like there's a lot of times where we have a page that could have been a panel.
• 16:06
  dnewland: And that would have given time for additional story, either compression or being able to make the moments you really want to last, last more. And I think it… to me, some of that pacing was difficult to determine, because I didn't necessarily get…
• 16:23
  dnewland: How long I'm supposed to stay on a page.
• 16:26
  Sean Harklerode: Shout out to Dan for, you know, saying the name of the podcast.
• 16:34
  Sean Harklerode: 22 panels.
• 16:35
  Mark Pracht: I…
• 16:38
  Sean Harklerode: But I think… I agree with what you're saying there, and I think…
• 16:42
  Sean Harklerode: There is a certain freedom that comes, with writing for the trade here, and that he doesn't have to be concerned with that page count, right?
• 16:54
  Sean Harklerode: Which, you know, that can be… that's a double-edged sword, right? Sometimes constraints can be your friend.
• 17:01
  Sean Harklerode: but yeah, definitely, I felt the same way. I was scrolling through, and I was like, man.
• 17:09
  Sean Harklerode: You know, like, this is a 154-page book, And…
• 17:15
  Sean Harklerode: But, you know, 22 of them are one panel.
• 17:18
  Sean Harklerode: So it… Right.
• 17:18
  Mark Pracht: Yeah, and I…
• 17:19
  Tad Eggleston: Well, there's a lot of double-page spreads, too.
• 17:22
  Mark Pracht: Yeah, yeah, I was just flipping through, like, the… there's 6 double-page spreads in, like, the last… 20 pages.
• 17:32
  Mark Pracht: I mean, that's…
• 17:34
  Tad Eggleston: Well, and, like, I started flipping through, too, when he said it, and, like.
• 17:39
  Tad Eggleston: I'm gonna… I'm gonna go to a… like, one of the things that I love about…
• 17:44
  Tad Eggleston: Stefan Frank, and I can feel it in these 20 pages here, I can feel it… there's a similar section in Volume 1, just as they're entering the Palomino the first time.
• 17:56
  Tad Eggleston: That… that it's a lot of… Single page, full page… For me,
• 18:10
  Tad Eggleston: I do slow down, because I'm… I'm starting to, like, feel the music.
• 18:16
  Tad Eggleston: like, one of the things I love, and I knew it was gonna come up, so it's coming up now, one of the things I love about Frank's work, Frank's work is that, like.
• 18:26
  Tad Eggleston: I have long maintained that you can't… there's nothing that you can't do in comics, and people will almost always bring up, oh, you can't express music through comics, and I turn them to Steph and Frank, and I turn them to,
• 18:43
  Tad Eggleston: Dave Chisholm.
• 18:44
  Tad Eggleston: You know, because both of them just, like…
• 18:48
  Tad Eggleston: I feel the music come off the page. I can often hear it, if I can't hear it, though, I can feel the atmosphere. I can feel the thrum of…
• 18:59
  Tad Eggleston: You know? So, I think, to me, part of my feeling that is the way that he slows it down through going…
• 19:13
  Tad Eggleston: Full-page spreads, rather than… You're giving me questions for the next time I talk to him, because, like…
• 19:23
  Tad Eggleston: I'm always asking about process, because he does. These comics feel different than almost anything else I've read. That's the part I'm not surprised about in this conversation at all.
• 19:33
  Mark Pracht: Well, okay.
• 19:34
  dnewland: note, I loved it. Like, these are… I devoured all of the Palomino made available to me, because I like it, and I do like the fact that.
• 19:44
  Tad Eggleston: So you're done now.
• 19:45
  dnewland: feel. Huh? No. No, I'm not.
• 19:49
  Tad Eggleston: I thought I made them all available to you.
• 19:51
  dnewland: I have 5.
• 19:52
  Tad Eggleston: Oh. The 6th is in there.
• 19:55
  dnewland: Is it? Yeah. Okay. I will… I will check that out as soon as we're done, then.
• 20:00
  Tad Eggleston: labeled as 6.
• 20:01
  dnewland: Okay.
• 20:02
  Tad Eggleston: It's the…
• 20:03
  dnewland: Yeah, yeah.
• 20:04
  dnewland: I really love.
• 20:05
  Mark Pracht: 1995.
• 20:07
  Mark Pracht: I mean, like, look, I didn't… I didn't detest the series or anything like that, I just…
• 20:12
  Mark Pracht: I became aware of… I just became aware of how much time it was taking me to get through this. And I understand what you're saying about music. I think it's interesting, because now as I'm flipping through these double-page spreads, it actually reminds me of,
• 20:28
  Mark Pracht: one of my favorite 1980s movies that everyone hates but me, which is Streets of Fire, which is one of the things where
• 20:39
  Mark Pracht: That, in that movie, there's a lot of rock concert sequences, and they do a lot of things where it's, like, the people on stage, and the silhouettes in the audience watching, right? And I think that that's a lot of what he's trying to do here.
• 20:56
  Mark Pracht: for me, I'm thinking, like, at a certain point.
• 21:02
  Mark Pracht: We're starting to play these songs.
• 21:04
  Mark Pracht: And they're plopping along.
• 21:06
  Mark Pracht: I almost want… I kind of want the pace of the storytelling to match the music that's in my head. And of course, we…
• 21:14
  Mark Pracht: Don't hear that music.
• 21:16
  Mark Pracht: And it just… it begins to feel very presentational to me. That's all. Now, and I know… and I know… I don't want to get, like, wrapped up in talking about pacing for an hour and a half, but that's… that's all. It… it begins to… I don't feel…
• 21:34
  Mark Pracht: I… I… I can see what he's trying to do. He's trying to do… this is the energy of being in a… in a… in a, country western club.
• 21:43
  Mark Pracht: In… in the Valley.
• 21:45
  Mark Pracht: Because it's… here's the people on stage, here's the people in the audience, you know, here's these big figures on stage, I get it, but…
• 21:54
  Mark Pracht: when… I'm seeing a, A show in a club, a small club, it's…
• 22:03
  Mark Pracht: It strikes me as a much more rapid-fire kind of experience.
• 22:07
  Mark Pracht: It's like, oh, here's the guy at the bar, here's the guy here, here's the guy, there's… I'm looking at the guy play…
• 22:13
  Mark Pracht: play something on his guitar. I'm looking at this, like… I think… That's…
• 22:19
  Mark Pracht: it feels rather stately to me, that's all. And when I think about,
• 22:26
  Mark Pracht: Country, you know, like, this kind of,
• 22:32
  Mark Pracht: it strikes me as the kind of a Rocabelli kind of country thing. Yeah. That's… it strikes me as a much more… not so stately.
• 22:41
  Mark Pracht: And I think the pacing of this last bit, especially this last bit where… where,
• 22:45
  Mark Pracht: Jarvis Pendleton comes in.
• 22:48
  Mark Pracht: You know, and it's all this excitement about it.
• 22:52
  Mark Pracht: I'd like the pacing to speed up.
• 22:54
  dnewland: You know, it's weird, that's exactly the one I was just going to ask about, because there's… there's 3 panels there, one where people see him.
• 23:01
  dnewland: And then the next one goes to his daughter singing, and then the next one again is people seeing him.
• 23:08
  dnewland: And it looks like that's actually a double spread stage, or double… or a single panel, that gets spread across a foldover, even.
• 23:15
  dnewland: Yeah, yeah. And I think that would have been more effective, to just have a picture of Pendleton at the top, in the middle, you've got the daughter singing, and then at the bottom, you've got Pendleton again, and you can get a natural page flip, because I think you lose some of the immediacy of him entering while she's singing.
• 23:33
  dnewland: by having them as separate pages, where you don't really get to… I mean, comics are about panels juxtaposed, right? We lose all our juxtaposition, because everything's a separate page now, instead of panels mixed together.
• 23:47
  Mark Pracht: And, thanks for the spoiler.
• 23:53
  Mark Pracht: But, I, I, I… I'm sorry.
• 23:55
  Sean Harklerode: No.
• 23:56
  Mark Pracht: Yeah, but I mean, I've only read the… I only read the first two volumes, so I did not…
• 24:00
  dnewland: Don't we know that by now? No, you know that.
• 24:02
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 24:03
  Mark Pracht: Sure.
• 24:04
  Tad Eggleston: She… she…
• 24:05
  dnewland: You got the guitar.
• 24:06
  Tad Eggleston: that.
• 24:07
  Mark Pracht: Oh, I mean, you… Oh, okay.
• 24:08
  Mark Pracht: Maybe I… It's wet.
• 24:10
  Tad Eggleston: It's when they're in bed, and he's like, I get… she's like, you know? And he's like, I guessed. And she's like, yeah, there's only 3 like this talking about the guitar.
• 24:20
  Mark Pracht: Right.
• 24:21
  Tad Eggleston: He's like, and you're named after the song.
• 24:24
  Sean Harklerode: Right. Right.
• 24:25
  Mark Pracht: Right. Okay, well, I mean, like, I guess I didn't… I didn't see it as confirmed. I guessed that that was the thing, but it's also, like, I think, like, that… that's really true, that the juxtaposition of the images, like, I think…
• 24:44
  Mark Pracht: it's… we don't… everything is kind of awash, right? It's like…
• 24:55
  Mark Pracht: what… what does Jarvis Pendleton feel about being on stage with his daughter? What does his daughter feel about being on stage with Jarvis Pendleton? And it… it's kind of… I mean, we get a couple of things. There's a couple of…
• 25:07
  Tad Eggleston: These are for Book 3.
• 25:11
  Mark Pracht: Well… Right.
• 25:13
  Mark Pracht: He tells me.
• 25:14
  Sean Harklerode: to pick one.
• 25:15
  Mark Pracht: Right.
• 25:19
  Mark Pracht: Pick one, sweetheart.
• 25:20
  Sean Harklerode: Yeah, I mean, look, you know, being on stage.
• 25:25
  Sean Harklerode: You know, there's what you can feel in the moment, and what you have to put aside for the moment, because…
• 25:31
  Mark Pracht: Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, yeah.
• 25:33
  Tad Eggleston: And just on a side note, I've never seen it before, but I will be watching Streets of Fire probably as soon as we go off-air.
• 25:43
  Tad Eggleston: Because, I mean, like, a Walter Hill film?
• 25:47
  Tad Eggleston: with… with… with Eddie from Eddie and the Cruisers, Diane Lane, Rick Moranis, Amy Madigan, Willem Dafoe… Bill Paxton?
• 25:58
  Mark Pracht: I love that movie.
• 25:59
  Tad Eggleston: How could the.
• 26:00
  Mark Pracht: That movie is… that movie is… I'll tell you how I describe that movie to people. That is, if… if George Lucas had sat down to write Star Wars after listening to a whole bunch of Bruce Springsteen albums.
• 26:12
  Tad Eggleston: Okay, that sounds good to me.
• 26:14
  Tad Eggleston: Why wouldn't somebody like that?
• 26:16
  Mark Pracht: Well, it was a big bomb, and some people just don't… I mean, like, it has problems, don't get me wrong, but I love the energy of it. And there's a bunch of Jim Steinman music in it, so…
• 26:26
  Mark Pracht: You know, it's got that… it's got that meatloaf feel to it, too.
• 26:31
  Tad Eggleston: Well, I mean… Anyway.
• 26:34
  Mark Pracht: That's awesome.
• 26:35
  Tad Eggleston: either.
• 26:39
  Mark Pracht: You know, because two anti…
• 26:40
  Tad Eggleston: But yeah, it did, it did, it looks like $14.5 million budget and, and $8 million grossed worldwide.
• 26:47
  Tad Eggleston: And by worldwide, really just the US and Canada, because it looks like it only grossed a little bit more than
• 26:55
  Tad Eggleston: $1,300 in the rest of the world.
• 27:02
  Mark Pracht: Well, I mean, and it ends with a sledgehammer duel, so…
• 27:05
  Tad Eggleston: Sledgehammer duel? You're selling it even more.
• 27:09
  Mark Pracht: I… I… look, I love that movie.
• 27:12
  dnewland: I haven't seen this before. I'm digging the poster, too.
• 27:14
  Tad Eggleston: I feel like I should know who does this poster art.
• 27:19
  Sean Harklerode: I remember watching it.
• 27:21
  Sean Harklerode: In the 80s.
• 27:23
  Sean Harklerode: But I don't think I've seen it since.
• 27:25
  Mark Pracht: Didn't we watch it one night here? Because I got the 4K of it.
• 27:29
  Sean Harklerode: We watched Outsiders.
• 27:32
  Sean Harklerode: Can you dig it?
• 27:34
  Mark Pracht: Oh, that's the Warriors, you mean?
• 27:36
  Sean Harklerode: The Warriors, yeah, the Warriors.
• 27:41
  Mark Pracht: Your little big piece of turf.
• 27:46
  Tad Eggleston: Sorry, I just… I fell down a mild rabbit hole, so I had to…
• 27:50
  Mark Pracht: Well, I love me some Walter Hill, so, you know, I think…
• 27:54
  Mark Pracht: And he has mentioned that the Warriors and Streeps of Fire have, similar DNA.
• 28:03
  Mark Pracht: And… He refers to both as comic book movies, so…
• 28:11
  Mark Pracht: And in fact, that… the re-edit that he did of Warriors put in a bunch of, like, comic book transitions and stuff.
• 28:18
  Mark Pracht: That are just not good.
• 28:21
  Mark Pracht: Should've left it alone.
• 28:23
  Mark Pracht: Anyway, that's a… that's a… I look… I am looking forward to reading more of this. I… I… but I will say that every… like, I… it wasn't… I did not feel, at the end of each volume, I gotta read next… what happens next.
• 28:39
  Tad Eggleston: Okay.
• 28:40
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 28:43
  Tad Eggleston: I, I, I also… I just dig the characters.
• 28:50
  Tad Eggleston: That we're still getting involved.
• 28:53
  Sean Harklerode: I… I'm really, I wasn't…
• 28:56
  Sean Harklerode: getting the art at first, but I really kind of got into it, especially with the second,
• 29:03
  Sean Harklerode: second volume?
• 29:05
  Sean Harklerode: It… it really gives me… kind of Tim Sale vibes.
• 29:12
  Sean Harklerode: A lot.
• 29:13
  Tad Eggleston: Sayo was a friend of his.
• 29:14
  Sean Harklerode: Oh, really? Okay.
• 29:16
  Tad Eggleston: In fact, I want to say it… the first volume…
• 29:21
  Tad Eggleston: Is it the first volume or the second volume?
• 29:24
  Tad Eggleston: One of them has…
• 29:34
  Tad Eggleston: One of them, I think, had a specific… Dedication to Tim Sale.
• 29:40
  Sean Harklerode: Huh?
• 29:41
  Tad Eggleston: I think it was the second one, because I think both his mom and…
• 29:45
  Tad Eggleston: Tim… yeah. Both his mom and Tim Sale passed away in between volumes
• 29:51
  Tad Eggleston: 1 coming out and volume two coming out.
• 29:54
  Tad Eggleston: So the dedication's at the back of… of,
• 30:00
  Tad Eggleston: Volume 2, or to his model.
• 30:02
  Sean Harklerode: Okay.
• 30:03
  Tad Eggleston: I'm sale.
• 30:05
  Sean Harklerode: I'll have to get to that, I haven't, hadn't read that.
• 30:12
  Sean Harklerode: Which makes me pat myself on the back.
• 30:15
  Tad Eggleston: You haven't read Volume 2?
• 30:17
  Sean Harklerode: No, I have not read the dedications. I haven't read the dedications.
• 30:21
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, it's… it's, it's right after the.
• 30:24
  Sean Harklerode: I'm on it right now.
• 30:25
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, yeah.
• 30:27
  Sean Harklerode: Yeah.
• 30:31
  Tad Eggleston: the stuff that you talk about liking, which is also cool. I mean, that's part of it, is like…
• 30:38
  Tad Eggleston: And this is where… partially, I'm… I'm… I'm both, speaking from having talked to Stefan and from
• 30:48
  Tad Eggleston: the way Howard pitched it to me to begin with is that
• 30:56
  Tad Eggleston: On top of everything else, it's a love letter to a particular time and place.
• 31:03
  Tad Eggleston: The honky-tonk scene in… early 80s Los Angeles.
• 31:10
  Tad Eggleston: you know, everybody knows Hollywood in Los Angeles, but, like.
• 31:16
  Tad Eggleston: one of the things about this is actually cool is that you're seeing this thing that's adjacent and almost feels out of place. Nobody thinks Los Angeles honky-tonk, but here you have this…
• 31:32
  Tad Eggleston: you know, I mean, when you were talking about…
• 31:39
  Tad Eggleston: You used the word majestic when you were talking about the panels, and you used it in that you wanted…
• 31:46
  Tad Eggleston: A different pacing.
• 31:49
  Tad Eggleston: But I… when you said it, I'm like, I think that… that that feeling is actually part of his tribute to…
• 31:56
  Tad Eggleston: the club itself. Like, for a certain group of people, this was a palace. This was… you know…
• 32:06
  Tad Eggleston: A quintessential part of… Of their scene.
• 32:11
  Tad Eggleston: Oh, my…
• 32:12
  dnewland: And I got that. I mean, to me, it's…
• 32:14
  dnewland: some of those panels and the way he did things, you could feel the energy. It's like you could almost smell the stale beer, and the sound coming through, and the like. So, really, as far as the visceral elements of it, I think he captured that really well.
• 32:28
  dnewland: More than… more than I think most people do that attention to sort of the detail of the setting and the like.
• 32:33
  dnewland: really came through well for me in some of those scenes, especially. The Palomino itself was really treated well by the book.
• 32:46
  Tad Eggleston: Mark, you have that thoughtful face again.
• 32:48
  Mark Pracht: Oh, nothing… I'm sorry, I was… I got an email that I…
• 32:52
  Tad Eggleston: Oh, okay. Need it to read.
• 32:54
  Mark Pracht: Sorry.
• 32:55
  Sean Harklerode: And in the words of Corporal Randolph Agarn, Andy Palomino is a Palomino.
• 33:05
  Tad Eggleston: But yeah, no, I…
• 33:09
  Mark Pracht: You know what? We were talking about that, he was talking about the baseball player, I was thinking Larry Storch, so we've come first, full circle.
• 33:17
  Sean Harklerode: All comes back to Larry Storch, man.
• 33:22
  Mark Pracht: All comes back to Larry Storch and address.
• 33:27
  Mark Pracht: as, as, as, freakazoid told us.
• 33:34
  Tad Eggleston: I also, like…
• 33:39
  Tad Eggleston: And this is one of the things that's harder for me to, to, to, like, because now that I know the characters, having read it all, that sort of thing, like, trying to put myself back in the shoes of the first time.
• 33:50
  Tad Eggleston: I… I like what… I think is a really bold decision to…
• 33:58
  Tad Eggleston: Let you get to know the characters as they get to know each other.
• 34:03
  Tad Eggleston: Rather than doing… extensive backstories, or exposition, or… or anything like that. You have to make a lot of…
• 34:13
  Tad Eggleston: inferences from Conversation between characters from…
• 34:19
  Tad Eggleston: How they look, how they act, to kind of discover who they are.
• 34:27
  Tad Eggleston: You know, you know, whether, whether it's, it's…
• 34:33
  Tad Eggleston: Conversations between the dad and daughter, or, or between…
• 34:43
  Tad Eggleston: With, da-da, Sherry Cho.
• 34:47
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, I think… I think when they… when they… when they go back to the hotel the first time.
• 34:52
  Tad Eggleston: The whole, so, are you, like, all dark and broken inside? Why do you ask?
• 35:00
  Tad Eggleston: because I like to know what kind of trouble I'm getting into, just says so much about both of those characters.
• 35:11
  Tad Eggleston: You know, likewise, you know, the way the daughter completely manipulates the… the…
• 35:20
  Tad Eggleston: Her boss getting dressed for his date.
• 35:23
  Tad Eggleston: in order… To steal the keys.
• 35:27
  Tad Eggleston: To the cabinet.
• 35:29
  Tad Eggleston: To, to pull out her mom's file.
• 35:31
  Sean Harklerode: Oh, yeah.
• 35:34
  dnewland: I liked the interaction of the dad and the daughter, and sort of the way that relationship built up. It seemed very, very well built. The dialogue and sort of the way it was constructed seemed a lot…
• 35:47
  dnewland: richer than a lot of times you see in comics. Makes more… makes more sense as we go along, so we're paying attention to that, obviously, but it's… it is…
• 35:56
  dnewland: Something also, though, where when I was reading these, my wife sometimes reads comics too, like, you should read some of these that, you know, they're pretty good. And her reaction to the violence, and sort of the…
• 36:08
  dnewland: The way that the daughter is… is sort of…
• 36:11
  dnewland: a little bit out of control and the like. I'm not sure she's necessarily fit for, for noir over long terms, because she was… she was like, there's so much violence in this, and he's… everybody's behaving so badly, why would I want to read this? I'm like, well, that is… that's kind of the nature of this genre, so…
• 36:31
  dnewland: It's gonna be, probably. But.
• 36:32
  Mark Pracht: like…
• 36:34
  Mark Pracht: I mean, like, to that point, yeah, I mean, like, it is a really fabulous noir in terms of, like, I like the…
• 36:46
  Mark Pracht: it's sort of the neon light noir that I… I… you know, I like the setting of it within this… this Western…
• 36:57
  Mark Pracht: Country western music subculture, you know.
• 37:02
  Mark Pracht: I like his little…
• 37:05
  Mark Pracht: performance jacket that keeps getting blood on it. I like… I like that. I like all of that stuff. You know, I… I think… I think that… yeah, but…
• 37:14
  Mark Pracht: Yeah, it is… all that sort of stuff is an acquired taste. Like, you know, my wife is not,
• 37:21
  Mark Pracht: Does not enjoy violence, but man, she loves a good noir.
• 37:29
  Mark Pracht: Anyway… But yeah, I… It does, it is, it is,
• 37:35
  Mark Pracht: it is one of those things where I think that the tropes of the noir
• 37:46
  Mark Pracht: genre, shall we call it. Are fairly elastic.
• 37:53
  Mark Pracht: I mean, like, I don't know, like, I think that,
• 38:00
  Mark Pracht: again, and I'm only 2 volumes in, okay? Right. So, I don't know what's gonna happen. I do think that…
• 38:09
  Mark Pracht: And I'm not… I love cliche. I think cliche is part of… of our shared storytelling,
• 38:22
  Mark Pracht: mentality, you know? And I think there are a lot, you know, the… okay, he's the former detective… former police detective that now is playing music in this club, and… and, you know, he's not really a private detective, but every once in a while he takes a job, you know, it's like, there's a lot of stuff here that… that…
• 38:41
  Mark Pracht: you know, there's a lot of stuff here that actually, as I'm thinking about it, like, reminds me of Chinatown, you know? The…
• 38:49
  Mark Pracht: The daughter, who has some sort of strange relationship with the father.
• 38:55
  Mark Pracht: Right. And there's a mystery there, and you know, and
• 39:01
  Mark Pracht: I don't know, like, it… it…
• 39:04
  Mark Pracht: It's always fun to see somebody take a lot of…
• 39:11
  Mark Pracht: And I don't say… it's not… it's not a criticism for me to say this. A lot of, like, cliche storytelling beats put them in a new environment and make me go, like, that's fun. Because I do think that this is fun. I do like the environment of it.
• 39:27
  Mark Pracht: I, I, I generally like the characters. I think…
• 39:35
  Mark Pracht: I think… All of that is…
• 39:38
  Mark Pracht: Yeah, that's all I gotta say.
• 39:41
  Sean Harklerode: See you guys, bye!
• 39:45
  Tad Eggleston: No, I like that point,
• 39:47
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, one of my favorite quotes about writing is, is, and it's attributed all over the place, as far back as Shakespeare, and I learned it in the West Wing, is that good writers borrow from other writers.
• 40:02
  Tad Eggleston: great writers steal things outright. And I've always taken that to mean that, like.
• 40:11
  Tad Eggleston: A, it's hard to be 100% brand new creative, you know? Once fire and the wheel have been made, everything kind of…
• 40:21
  Tad Eggleston: spins out of other things. But second,
• 40:26
  Tad Eggleston: like, the borrow, to me, is, like, you see the reference immediately, but don't mind. And the steal things outright is when, like, it's not until you just deconstruct it that you're like, oh, that's, like, in so-and-so.
• 40:43
  Tad Eggleston: But, like, it got buried so well in this new story that you don't realize that… immediately that you're… that you're…
• 40:53
  Tad Eggleston: reading or watching a trope or a cliche, it… it just… because it fits.
• 40:59
  Tad Eggleston: So I like that you talked about liking cliches, because I think that…
• 41:05
  Mark Pracht: The truth of the matter is, is, like, that sort of stuff never bothers me until somebody seems like they're patting themselves on the back.
• 41:12
  Mark Pracht: For using it? Right.
• 41:15
  Tad Eggleston: That's when they're neither borrowing or stealing. They're… they're going, hey, I'm a writer, I know the cliches, too!
• 41:25
  Mark Pracht: Well, I mean, like, it's funny, Sean and I, we're spinning out here, but Sean was talking about having watched Death…
• 41:35
  Tad Eggleston: aware that that was.
• 41:36
  Mark Pracht: It's gonna happen at some point.
• 41:37
  Tad Eggleston: It's part of our formula.
• 41:39
  Mark Pracht: Sean and I were talking about… Sean had watched, Death Proof.
• 41:44
  Mark Pracht: I think on the Criterion channel, where they have the longer version of it, and he was just like, you know, it's like, there's… there's moments, like, everything… like, okay, I am not a Quentin Tarantino fan, I occasionally really like his stuff.
• 42:00
  Mark Pracht: But there's something about it that it's always sort of, like, patting himself on the back for doing stuff that is, like, blindingly obvious lifts from other people, and saying that
• 42:11
  Mark Pracht: Yeah, I'm… but, you know, like, the clip that came up on my social media feed, where I was just like, you've got to be fucking kidding me, is there's a… the stuntman, Mike.
• 42:23
  Mark Pracht: Looking right at the camera exactly like Bert Reynolds in Spokie and the Bandit.
• 42:28
  Mark Pracht: And I'm just like…
• 42:33
  Mark Pracht: Hal Needham is a… like, look, I… I'm a big Smokey the Bandit fan, but Hal Needham is… is not a… is not a great director, or an auteur, or anything like that. He's… he's a… he's a… he manages chaos, and I was just like, don't…
• 42:53
  Mark Pracht: Don't do that!
• 42:54
  Mark Pracht: Anyway…
• 42:55
  Sean Harklerode: Well, I feel like that may be an inversion of that moment.
• 42:59
  Sean Harklerode: Whereas…
• 43:00
  Mark Pracht: what?
• 43:01
  Sean Harklerode: In… in Smoking the Bandit, it's a fun, light-hearted, we're gonna have fun here.
• 43:07
  Sean Harklerode: And, Kurt Russell turns it into, oh, you just wait, I'm gonna,
• 43:12
  Sean Harklerode: You know, this is gonna get bloody.
• 43:15
  Mark Pracht: Right. Well, it's… it's, I'm gonna have fun here.
• 43:19
  Mark Pracht: Or we're gonna have fun here.
• 43:21
  Sean Harklerode: Right.
• 43:22
  Mark Pracht: Right? And I mean, and I get that, but it also… it just… it was just one of those things.
• 43:28
  Mark Pracht: And… and what's lovely about this book is it doesn't feel that way. It… you know, like, look, Los Angeles detective noir fiction is, like, noir fiction comes from Los Angeles, you know? You know, you talk,
• 43:46
  Mark Pracht: Dashiell Hammett, all of those books are set.
• 43:50
  Tad Eggleston: Hammett was San Francisco more than LA, but yeah.
• 43:54
  dnewland: My man.
• 43:54
  Mark Pracht: Well, I don'.
• 43:55
  dnewland: Donald did a bunch of great stuff from LA and around that time.
• 43:58
  Mark Pracht: I mean, but it's… it's always this sort of underbelly of Los Angeles, almost always.
• 44:06
  Mark Pracht: the, the, philip Marlowe books.
• 44:10
  Mark Pracht: All Los Angeles.
• 44:12
  Mark Pracht: So that, you know, that's part of the deal, and it's always, like, every time you revisit that, you're going to be digging up some of those corpses. And…
• 44:22
  Mark Pracht: you either do it with… You can either do it…
• 44:28
  Mark Pracht: smiling at the audience like Burt Reynolds does in Smokey the Bandit, or smiling at the audience like Kurt Russell does in Death Proof.
• 44:37
  Mark Pracht: To bring us back around to making this point, of, like, either…
• 44:42
  Mark Pracht: we're gonna have fun, or I'm gonna have fun, and it's like, if you're not including me, I don't… it's not fun for me, right? So,
• 44:56
  Mark Pracht: Yeah, this… this… I… I see what he's doing, I see… I… I enjoy it, yeah.
• 45:02
  Mark Pracht: I don't even know what I'm saying anymore.
• 45:05
  Tad Eggleston: I, I, I, I'm gonna, I'm gonna ask a, Questions, just because I…
• 45:13
  Tad Eggleston: I'm sometimes a very specific word guy, and other times not so much, and noir's always been something that I know that I've applied way more broadly than some people do. So I'm curious as to how everybody
• 45:29
  Tad Eggleston: defines noir.
• 45:33
  Tad Eggleston: What separates it from just a crime movie, or…
• 45:39
  dnewland: For me, it's… there's a… there's a hopelessness about it, generally, and kind of a cynicism.
• 45:45
  dnewland: Like, the asphalt jungle, to me, is kind of the quintessential noir at a certain point. It's just, the whole time you've got all these sort of…
• 45:53
  dnewland: People who kind of seem to be walking through life doomed, and it's just… it's not so much about finding out how they're gonna win, as finding out how they're finally going to end up losing.
• 46:02
  dnewland: You know? There's very… there's very little…
• 46:05
  dnewland: for me, anyways, that's been… that's been kind of, you know, there's all sorts of other things that can go along with it. But to me, it's always you've got a… a protagonist who's broken, wandering through a world that's relatively broken.
• 46:19
  Mark Pracht: Well, yeah, I mean, I think that… I also think that there's a general consensus where the, general consensus… what the hell am I talking about? But there's a… I think generally, I usually see the…
• 46:32
  Mark Pracht: protagonist as somewhat outside the situation.
• 46:38
  Mark Pracht: Great.
• 46:39
  Mark Pracht: Like, that the… Using… let's use the spirit.
• 46:45
  Mark Pracht: Will Eisen's The Spirit as an example, like… the Spirit Himself
• 46:50
  Mark Pracht: Is definitely involved in all of those stories, but also, it's built around the things that are happening around him.
• 46:59
  Mark Pracht: And… and I, you know, like…
• 47:03
  Mark Pracht: I've… I've always said that I think the spirit is sort of daylight noir, which it's very colorful, you know, the comics, which is why… which is why Frank Miller's film adaptation always bugged me, because it's like…
• 47:18
  Mark Pracht: you know, Eisner's use of color is part of the whole deal, you know, and while
• 47:27
  Mark Pracht: while I think Will Eisner would have said to Frank Miller, you gotta do it your way, don't just do it my way.
• 47:33
  Mark Pracht: So that's fair.
• 47:35
  Mark Pracht: having read Eisner Miller, but, but at the same time, like, it, it… Felt so… sapped.
• 47:46
  Mark Pracht: of… the life.
• 47:48
  Mark Pracht: that… Eisner's artwork, and also the people who worked with Eisner's artwork,
• 47:56
  Mark Pracht: did with that, but I mean, I think that it is sort of… the hero, quote-unquote, is always sort of outside the situation, and even if he asserts himself to resolve the situation, or to bring justice to the situation, it is always… there is always a…
• 48:17
  Mark Pracht: Price to be paid.
• 48:19
  dnewland: cost.
• 48:20
  Mark Pracht: There's a cost to… To both him and to the people involved in the situation.
• 48:29
  Mark Pracht: So it's not like…
• 48:31
  Mark Pracht: It's not like Law & Order SVU or something, where, you know, you just walk through a procedural.
• 48:38
  Mark Pracht: You know?
• 48:39
  dnewland: No.
• 48:40
  Mark Pracht: It's… it's something that… damages people. That's noir to me.
• 48:46
  dnewland: Yeah, the thing that separates it from, like, I've never, like, Mickey Spallane, Mike Hammer-type stuff, the hard-boiled, I never really think of as noir, necessarily. Because he never really seems to actually be affected by anything he does.
• 49:00
  dnewland: And he just sort of wanders through and, you know, he's this bulldozer type of character. Whereas you look at a Bogart character or something like that.
• 49:09
  dnewland: they're… they're always sort of more deeply affected by what's going on around them, you know? So… I don't know if other people would put Mickey Splain into… into noir or not, but I've always sort of separated that out.
• 49:22
  Mark Pracht: I've always thought of… I've always thought of Spillane as more of a pulp.
• 49:25
  dnewland: Nope.
• 49:26
  Mark Pracht: pulp writer.
• 49:28
  Tad Eggleston: Well, that's one of the reasons that I ask, is that the, like.
• 49:32
  Tad Eggleston: like, like, some people think of Dashiell Hammett as one of the first hard-boiled
• 49:38
  Tad Eggleston: Writers, but some people think of him as more noir.
• 49:42
  Mark Pracht: Well, I mean, I think… and I think that there is a crossover between the two, obviously, but, like, I think… I think that what you're saying about, Mike Hammer is 100% true. Mike… Mike Hammer is just…
• 49:54
  Mark Pracht: Well, we, we read that, that, the, the,
• 50:01
  Mark Pracht: Oh, Jesus, we just read that EC book where it had the Mike Hammer Parity in it.
• 50:08
  Tad Eggleston: Oh, th-th-yeah.
• 50:09
  Mark Pracht: It was just like, yeah, I ran into this woman, and I beat her up and killed her. Okay, great. And then I shot this guy, and then I shot this guy, you know, and it's like…
• 50:18
  Mark Pracht: that there… there was no cost to my camera. That… but… and that's sort of, like.
• 50:24
  Mark Pracht: That's sort of like… it's funny, because, like, we started this whole series
• 50:30
  Mark Pracht: you and I, Tad, talking about Ms. Treat.
• 50:33
  Tad Eggleston: mistreated.
• 50:33
  Mark Pracht: Right?
• 50:34
  Mark Pracht: who.
• 50:36
  dnewland: You know, extreme.
• 50:37
  Mark Pracht: I… an amazing book, right? And
• 50:42
  Mark Pracht: you know, a lot of times, Max Allen Collins talks about, you know, like, what if Mike Hammer, you know, what if…
• 50:49
  Mark Pracht: Mike Hammer was a woman. And I don't think that's necessarily true, because I think Ms. Tree is constantly…
• 50:55
  Mark Pracht: damaged and changed by what happens around her.
• 51:01
  Mark Pracht: And, yeah, I mean, that's… that's… and that's… that is a very good way of looking at it.
• 51:11
  dnewland: I really enjoyed that you guys started this with mystery. I went back, I've listened to that one, because that was probably my introduction to sort of the hard-boiled noir type of character, was picking some of those up in a basement of a comic shop back in Minneapolis when I was, like, 12 years old or something like this. Absolutely loved those books.
• 51:31
  Mark Pracht: Tad is now gonna tell you you have to stop talking about mystery, otherwise I will just talk about mystery for an hour.
• 51:37
  Tad Eggleston: Not at all.
• 51:39
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, for that matter, they've finally gotten out more of the mystery collections.
• 51:47
  Tad Eggleston: So I think it's all available now, so, like, if we wanted to revisit yeah.
• 51:55
  Mark Pracht: Because I think…
• 51:56
  Tad Eggleston: We did what, the first 3 or the first 4?
• 51:59
  Mark Pracht: I… I'm… I… I think there's 6 total.
• 52:02
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 52:03
  Mark Pracht: And we… I don't remember where we stopped.
• 52:06
  Tad Eggleston: Wow.
• 52:08
  Mark Pracht: I'm always willing to go back and talk about Ms. Tree.
• 52:11
  Tad Eggleston: So just throwing that out there.
• 52:14
  dnewland: Nope.
• 52:15
  Tad Eggleston: Sean and Dan haven't gotten to talk Ms. Tree with me, so… or with us, so I definitely wouldn't, like… I'm not gonna tell him to get you to be quiet. That stuff's fun.
• 52:26
  Mark Pracht: Then let's talk about Miss Tree.
• 52:28
  Tad Eggleston: On a run, Mark.
• 52:33
  Tad Eggleston: You have great insights when people manage to push the button that makes you go off.
• 52:41
  Mark Pracht: Oh, don't push that button. Don't push it.
• 52:44
  Tad Eggleston: I sometimes spend the whole episode looking for that button.
• 52:49
  Mark Pracht: And then it's like…
• 52:50
  Tad Eggleston: My little…
• 52:50
  Mark Pracht: Tell you what I think.
• 52:52
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 52:54
  Sean Harklerode: He pulls his own string, Tad.
• 52:57
  Tad Eggleston: Back to it.
• 52:59
  Tad Eggleston: That too.
• 53:00
  Mark Pracht: Not everything is an anecdote.
• 53:03
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, I think we only got through Cold Dish, didn't we?
• 53:07
  Mark Pracht: I think we probably did, yeah. I don't think we.
• 53:09
  Tad Eggleston: your deadline.
• 53:11
  Mark Pracht: I don't.
• 53:11
  dnewland: Have you done more than one episode on it, or…
• 53:14
  Tad Eggleston: No, I think we only did one episode, and we read more than one, or did we do two episodes? I don't remember.
• 53:21
  Mark Pracht: I… I… we might have done two episodes, I don't remember, you know, but I… and I don't even remember which ones we read, because at that point, I had read all of them, so I was just talking from memory. But I, you know, those books are amazing. I need to…
• 53:38
  Mark Pracht: I need you to get it, yeah. I, I have.
• 53:41
  dnewland: I'm.
• 53:42
  Mark Pracht: I have… I have ideas about Ms. Tree that I would love to,
• 53:48
  Mark Pracht: explore. So, we'll just leave it at that.
• 53:52
  Mark Pracht: That did not sound…
• 53:54
  Tad Eggleston: I remembered this crazy thing. I host the podcast, so I have the archives right here, and I can search them.
• 54:03
  Mark Pracht: I mean, I have them all… I have them all linked on my website, but I don't… why… why… why would I go look that up?
• 54:10
  dnewland: But while we're on this, another character you guys have talked about a number of times, do you consider Parker to be noir, or not?
• 54:18
  dnewland: Because he's mostly undamaged, but as things proceed, it changes.
• 54:21
  Tad Eggleston: Another one that I would ask about, yeah.
• 54:25
  Mark Pracht: I think… I think Parker is more in the hard-boiled.
• 54:30
  Mark Pracht: I don't think Parker changes as… I think Tad thinks Parker changes more than I do.
• 54:37
  Tad Eggleston: That's probably true.
• 54:39
  dnewland: There is the sun-splashed elements, like, it feels like… Like, 60s noir.
• 54:45
  dnewland: The agonist doesn't fit it as much as everything else does, it seems.
• 54:50
  Mark Pracht: No, I think he is far too, systematic and…
• 55:01
  Mark Pracht: I also… I mean, the other thing about Parker is, like, the one thing about the traditional noir hero is that eventually there comes a point where it becomes personal, right?
• 55:15
  Mark Pracht: And I think that with Parker, It might.
• 55:18
  dnewland: He never lets that happen, Hartley.
• 55:21
  Mark Pracht: once in a while, but most of the time, it is, you know, and he… he might… he might even… Oh, we only did one.
• 55:27
  Tad Eggleston: one.
• 55:28
  Mark Pracht: He might… he might even want… he might even go for revenge.
• 55:33
  Mark Pracht: But oftentimes, the revenge is for a professional reason, right? No. Like, you know, like, somebody who he worked with gets wronged or something, or…
• 55:43
  Mark Pracht: or whatever, you know, and he considers it something… like, to me, anyway, Parker considers it a professional slight, rather than a…
• 55:51
  Mark Pracht: A personal one, you know?
• 55:53
  dnewland: Nope.
• 55:53
  Mark Pracht: But, you know, like, when you, when you talk about,
• 56:00
  Mark Pracht: My brain just stopped working.
• 56:04
  Mark Pracht: You know, when you do a, when you read a,
• 56:17
  Mark Pracht: Yeah, I… sorry, my brain just stopped working. I've… I've… I'm shutting down, sorry.
• 56:25
  Mark Pracht: We're in reboot mode.
• 56:30
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, I mean, that… Parker is one of the reasons that I asked the question.
• 56:38
  Tad Eggleston: Because, like… And it's one of the reasons why I, I like…
• 56:46
  Tad Eggleston: I actually don't use the word as much as… as I might otherwise, because, like, again, I… I have a,
• 56:56
  Tad Eggleston: Broader view of… noir, and I think… I think, for me.
• 57:04
  Tad Eggleston: Noir hits on what we were talking about with the world.
• 57:09
  Tad Eggleston: Like, the reason that I feel like… Parker is Noir.
• 57:15
  Tad Eggleston: Is that it's the cynical world that it's placed in.
• 57:20
  Tad Eggleston: It's where, like, there don't seem to be a lot of people who are shocked that there are people who behave the way Parker behaves.
• 57:32
  dnewland: The thing for me with Parker, though, is, you know, if I put it back into movies, which I do for a lot of things, like Asphalt Jungle back in the day, definitely a noir for me. A lot of Parker novels seem more like they are like an Ocean's Eleven type of story.
• 57:46
  dnewland: And I don't think the Ocean's Eleven aspect really, to me, hits Noir. You know, he's more of, like, a guy who's going to do a… a job, and the job goes wrong, but he always comes out of it okay.
• 57:58
  dnewland: And… usually in the real nois, everything goes to hell, and… and nobody goes.
• 58:05
  Tad Eggleston: I think that's also the difference between Ocean's Eleven and Parker, is, like, they both all come out of it okay, but Parker might have to kill somebody. Parker okay might be that, like, he only lost the money that he put into it, and only has one or two people who'd like to see him dead.
• 58:24
  Tad Eggleston: Whereas Danny Ocean actually always seems to come out, like, Ahead.
• 58:31
  dnewland: Ahead of the game, yep.
• 58:36
  Mark Pracht: I think… I think that when you're talking about Ocean's Eleven, you're talking about pure… pure heist.
• 58:43
  Mark Pracht: Right. Which movies, and Parker, Parker, the heist… is… Always, sort of.
• 58:53
  Mark Pracht: The cleverness of the heist is never the issue. It's never… that's never the point of the story. It's the…
• 59:00
  Mark Pracht: It's…
• 59:03
  Mark Pracht: It's watching the consummate professional go through the job, rather than how intricate is the… you know, like, I think that's the difference, is that, you know, when you watch Ocean's Eleven, you're looking for
• 59:17
  Mark Pracht: You're waiting for that moment where something happens, and you go like, oh, that's how they did it.
• 59:23
  Mark Pracht: And I don't think there's that in a Parker.
• 59:25
  dnewland: You know, there isn't…
• 59:26
  Mark Pracht: Yeah, there's, there's just, like, Parker just, like, is like, okay, we're gonna do this, and then you do it.
• 59:31
  Mark Pracht: And then something goes wrong, or… or… or some, you know, and then he takes care of it, you know?
• 59:38
  Tad Eggleston: Right. The other reason that, like, it popped into my head, and I'm asking some, is, like.
• 59:46
  Tad Eggleston: The, the movie… one of the movies that,
• 59:50
  Tad Eggleston: Beto and Natalia Hernandez recommended to me the last time they were on.
• 59:55
  Tad Eggleston: that I just adore and have watched a number of times since then, even though you can only watch it on YouTube.
• 1:00:03
  Tad Eggleston: with Spanish subtitles. So, like… you…
• 1:00:08
  Tad Eggleston: you hear it in English, but you have to deal with the Spanish subtitles at the bottom, is a 1950 Jack Carson movie called
• 1:00:17
  Tad Eggleston: the good humor man?
• 1:00:19
  Tad Eggleston: Where Jack Carson is, like…
• 1:00:24
  Tad Eggleston: he's playing a good humor man, and he's playing it in a slapstick way, like, it gets listed as slapstick action adventure comedy crime on IMDb.
• 1:00:38
  Tad Eggleston: But it feels like a mash-up noir to me, and like, you can kinda understand the why if you look at the description. It says, an ice cream seller unwittingly gets involved with a femme fatale leading to murder charges, gangsters, and factory payroll robberies.
• 1:00:56
  Tad Eggleston: And, like, that's what makes it work for me, is that so much of it is set up as a noir. Like, you've got George Reeves as a crooked,
• 1:01:07
  Tad Eggleston: PI, that sort of thing.
• 1:01:10
  Tad Eggleston: But, like, you have this genuinely good guy, not cynical.
• 1:01:20
  Tad Eggleston: Humorous ice cream salesman just thrown into that world.
• 1:01:25
  Mark Pracht: Sure, I… your description of it immediately made me think of, Jerry Lewis is dirty hairy.
• 1:01:37
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, except that Jack doesn't do any shooting anybody.
• 1:01:41
  Mark Pracht: Sure, but… No, no, no, look.
• 1:01:44
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, no, it has an element of if you dropped a Jerry Lewis into a Dirty Harry movie.
• 1:01:50
  Mark Pracht: Well, I mean, but it's also, like, like, look, it's… but what you're describing is sort of like, they call me Bruce, if, if you remember those movies from the 80s.
• 1:02:00
  dnewland: You know.
• 1:02:01
  Mark Pracht: Yeah, exactly. If you know those movies, like, and I think there's a… they call me Bruce, too, but I mean, like, it is… it is…
• 1:02:11
  Mark Pracht: Or even, even, you know, Jackie Chan at his most, comedic, you know? When…
• 1:02:19
  Mark Pracht: You know, he's done those things where he's, like, the affable guy who ends up in the middle of a gang war or something, you know, and it's…
• 1:02:28
  Mark Pracht: He bumbles his way through, you know, incredible fight scenes, you know, and it's like…
• 1:02:34
  Mark Pracht: Those kind of things, you know, I think that all of that is… Interesting.
• 1:02:40
  Mark Pracht: I don't know. It's… but…
• 1:02:42
  dnewland: That takes me back.
• 1:02:43
  dnewland: My dad loved… my dad loved the They Call Me Bruce movies. Oh my god. Those were ridiculous.
• 1:02:52
  Mark Pracht: Tad… Tad's like, what is this? I don't…
• 1:02:54
  Tad Eggleston: Oh, I looked it up. Parody, action, comedy.
• 1:02:57
  Mark Pracht: Yep.
• 1:02:58
  Tad Eggleston: I'm watching the trailer on IMDb right now.
• 1:03:04
  dnewland: They still call it.
• 1:03:05
  Mark Pracht: But it does.
• 1:03:05
  dnewland: This was the CEO.
• 1:03:06
  Sean Harklerode: So, we're not exciting enough for you, Ted?
• 1:03:10
  Tad Eggleston: You know how I fall down rabbit holes.
• 1:03:13
  Mark Pracht: Well…
• 1:03:13
  Sean Harklerode: You know.
• 1:03:14
  Mark Pracht: You know, but it does… it does sort of be… it does sort of take us back around to this whole idea of, like, cliche, and, like, there… there's only, like, six stories, really, right? Like, and that everything is about
• 1:03:27
  Mark Pracht: Can you put your own spin on this, or that, or the other thing, you know?
• 1:03:32
  Mark Pracht: that what you described the ice cream man as, or the good humor man, is, like, it immediately, aside from the whole idea of
• 1:03:41
  Mark Pracht: You know, the slapstick crime action film, like, Yeah, you know, like…
• 1:03:51
  Tad Eggleston: Oh, and with a little bit of, dead-end kids slash… slash, little rascals going on, except that they're… they're actually, like…
• 1:04:02
  Tad Eggleston: He leads them in, like, a scout troop type thing.
• 1:04:09
  Mark Pracht: This, this leads out.
• 1:04:10
  Tad Eggleston: It fits into 80 minutes and works.
• 1:04:13
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, I kind of want you guys to watch this movie at some point, because I, I, I…
• 1:04:21
  Tad Eggleston: It worked.
• 1:04:21
  dnewland: But why is it only on YouTube? What is…
• 1:04:23
  Tad Eggleston: I don't know. It was briefly on Tubi.
• 1:04:27
  Tad Eggleston: But it's cycled off of Tubi.
• 1:04:30
  Mark Pracht: Somebody… somebody actually was… somebody was actually talking about… there is a,
• 1:04:38
  Mark Pracht: a movie called The Assassination of…
• 1:04:42
  Mark Pracht: of, Richard Nixon. It stars Sean Penn, and it's produced by Leonardo DiCaprio, and it is only available on YouTube.
• 1:04:56
  Mark Pracht: And it was, like, Sean Penn's movie… first movie after Mystic River. So it's, like, not even that old.
• 1:05:03
  Mark Pracht: But they were talking about how they thought it was some sort of rights issue, like the rights lapse, or whatever.
• 1:05:08
  Tad Eggleston: weird rights issues.
• 1:05:10
  Mark Pracht: Yeah.
• 1:05:11
  Mark Pracht: But…
• 1:05:12
  Tad Eggleston: And that often… that often winds up, like, the weirder the rights issues, sometimes the more likely they are not to stop people from putting it up.
• 1:05:23
  Tad Eggleston: You know, not to send cease and desist orders.
• 1:05:26
  Tad Eggleston: But yes, it is on YouTube, the assassination of Richard Nixon, 2004, Niels Mueller.
• 1:05:35
  Mark Pracht: Deals?
• 1:05:37
  Tad Eggleston: But that… that… that's… that's a crazy rabbit hole now.
• 1:05:42
  Mark Pracht: There we go.
• 1:05:42
  Tad Eggleston: Don Cheadle's in it, too.
• 1:05:44
  Mark Pracht: Yeah. I mean, like, it's… it's, it's kind of.
• 1:05:47
  Sean Harklerode: I never trusted you, Cheadle.
• 1:05:49
  Sean Harklerode: I knew you were behind it the whole time.
• 1:05:57
  Mark Pracht: Oh…
• 1:06:01
  Mark Pracht: Anyway… So, yeah, Ms. Tree.
• 1:06:07
  Sean Harklerode: I will check out, The Good Humor Man. Always good to see George Reeves.
• 1:06:15
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, I, I, I, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, there's, there's my…
• 1:06:19
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, actually, another thing that you can pretty much only find on YouTube is, the… the… the,
• 1:06:30
  Tad Eggleston: Alec Guinness… Tinkertailer, Soldier Spy, and… and Smiley.
• 1:06:36
  Tad Eggleston: Smile those people.
• 1:06:37
  Mark Pracht: I have.
• 1:06:38
  Sean Harklerode: No risk.
• 1:06:39
  Mark Pracht: Great.
• 1:06:39
  Tad Eggleston: I do too.
• 1:06:41
  Mark Pracht: Yeah.
• 1:06:41
  Mark Pracht: I will tell you something you can only find on… on YouTube that blew my mind.
• 1:06:51
  Mark Pracht: Okay, so I was…
• 1:06:54
  Mark Pracht: working one day and listening to a YouTube video, as I want to do, and they were talking about failed 80s sitcoms.
• 1:07:03
  Mark Pracht: And this thing comes up, from the, like, it was, like, 82 or something. It is an Americanized version.
• 1:07:12
  Mark Pracht: of faulty towers.
• 1:07:14
  Mark Pracht: Starring Bea Arthur.
• 1:07:17
  Tad Eggleston: Oh, wow.
• 1:07:18
  dnewland: What?
• 1:07:21
  Mark Pracht: It's called Amanda's by the Sea.
• 1:07:23
  Mark Pracht: 13 episodes, they're all on YouTube. It's actually kind of fascinating, because Bea Arthur can do, like, an American version of Basil Falty's desire to be
• 1:07:37
  Mark Pracht: Important, and also snide to everyone.
• 1:07:41
  Mark Pracht: It… it… it shocked me. Like, I actually laughed several times.
• 1:07:46
  Tad Eggleston: So what's that called again?
• 1:07:48
  Mark Pracht: Amanda's by the Sea.
• 1:07:51
  Tad Eggleston: Amanda's?
• 1:07:52
  Sean Harklerode: Wow.
• 1:07:53
  Mark Pracht: Amanda's by the Sea.
• 1:07:54
  dnewland: filmed.
• 1:07:55
  Mark Pracht: And it is, go ahead, Sean.
• 1:08:01
  Sean Harklerode: Oh, I, I just… the John Larroquette version from the 90s.
• 1:08:05
  Mark Pracht: Yeah, I don't…
• 1:08:07
  Sean Harklerode: I bet.
• 1:08:07
  Mark Pracht: I don't remember that, but, like, there's no… they don't have… they don't have the… there's no husband, there's no wife character, but her… his… her son is… helps her run the hotel, and his, like, kind of,
• 1:08:25
  Mark Pracht: rich Nepo Baby, wife.
• 1:08:32
  Mark Pracht: And, you know, I've watched a couple of episodes, it's… it's got little bits you recognize, but the set is exactly the same.
• 1:08:43
  Mark Pracht: So it's… it's this weird, like…
• 1:08:49
  Mark Pracht: Time warp, space warp thing, watching it.
• 1:08:54
  Tad Eggleston: This might actually be something that my wife would watch with me. She's a Bea Arthur fan.
• 1:08:58
  Mark Pracht: I mean.
• 1:08:59
  Sean Harklerode: And I'm.
• 1:08:59
  Mark Pracht: like, and I want to be clear, it's like, it's not Fawlty Towers. It's not that good, but I did get some chuckles out of it, and mainly because B Arthur is really funny.
• 1:09:10
  Tad Eggleston: The Arthur is… just ridiculous, period.
• 1:09:14
  dnewland: Okay, so this is amazing. With you finding that, like, things are only on YouTube, there's a show from my childhood called The Quest.
• 1:09:22
  dnewland: from, like, 1982 that they started it, and then it didn't end, but it was my favorite show for the… at the time. It was like an early Stephen J. Canel show, and now I'm going to go back and watch it, because it's evidently on YouTube, so…
• 1:09:37
  dnewland: Fantastic.
• 1:09:39
  Sean Harklerode: Apparently… That was the second… American attempt.
• 1:09:45
  Sean Harklerode: The B Arthur.
• 1:09:48
  dnewland: Really?
• 1:09:49
  Sean Harklerode: The third, of course, which was John Larrickette, as I'm now seeing, with Joe Beth Williams.
• 1:09:57
  Sean Harklerode: But the first… adaptation of Faulty Towers into an American sitcom.
• 1:10:03
  Sean Harklerode: was called Snavely, Starring Harvey Corman and Betty White.
• 1:10:09
  Sean Harklerode: in 1978.
• 1:10:11
  Tad Eggleston: Oh, so the… so they've had 2 different Golden Girls try to do?
• 1:10:15
  Sean Harklerode: Yeah. They made a pilot, but it never got past the pilot.
• 1:10:19
  Mark Pracht: Oh, I know!
• 1:10:24
  Mark Pracht: I mean, I, you know, I don't know if I really kind of groked… I really groked the B. Arthur one. I don't know if it's because they flipped the sex.
• 1:10:34
  Mark Pracht: But there was some… the one thing about it was, like, so many times when I watch, you know, they bring a British sitcom over that I'm familiar with, you know, you realize that the first episode is just one of those episodes that they brought over, like, coupling.
• 1:10:53
  Mark Pracht: You know?
• 1:10:54
  Mark Pracht: The giggle loop does not work with a bunch of American actors.
• 1:10:57
  Mark Pracht: with a bunch of British actors, it's hilarious. And the one thing about Amanda's by the Sea was it never felt like they had just ported over one of the scripts in its entirety, right? There was bits, there was elements of it.
• 1:11:11
  Mark Pracht: you know.
• 1:11:12
  Mark Pracht: There was the, you know, the… there's a… there's a hotel critic coming, and we want to make sure that everyone… and of course, you know, the one person that she's really snide and condescending to is the hotel critic, of course.
• 1:11:25
  Mark Pracht: you know, you see it coming a mile away, but… and I know they did that on Faulty Towers, at least at some point or another, but it… it was not… like, it was wrapped in another plotline that wasn't just lifted over.
• 1:11:38
  Mark Pracht: So… Anyway.
• 1:11:40
  Mark Pracht: That's my, that's my, that's my, little gift for you guys, that, and Streets of Fire.
• 1:11:46
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, which, which I just remembered that I was trying to figure out who drew the Streets of Fire poster.
• 1:11:56
  Mark Pracht: I don't know.
• 1:11:58
  Tad Eggleston: Because it looks familiar, and after discovering that it was,
• 1:12:03
  Tad Eggleston: who did… it was Jack Davis that did the Bad News Bears poster, like, it's like, oh, wait a minute, that's right, comic artists sometimes make more money doing crazy stuff.
• 1:12:16
  Sean Harklerode: Oh, man.
• 1:12:17
  Sean Harklerode: Jack Davis did so much.
• 1:12:21
  Sean Harklerode: He did so many posters.
• 1:12:27
  Sean Harklerode: It's a mad, mad, mad, mad world.
• 1:12:29
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 1:12:38
  Tad Eggleston: So yeah, no, I need to figure that out.
• 1:12:43
  Tad Eggleston: Cause, you know…
• 1:12:45
  Mark Pracht: The artist is… No, that's a different poster, but it's the same style. Rhyme? R-I-E-H-M?
• 1:13:05
  Mark Pracht: That's what the website Film on Paper says.
• 1:13:22
  Tad Eggleston: just R-E-I… or R-I-E-H-M?
• 1:13:28
  Mark Pracht: R-I-E-H-M.
• 1:13:30
  Tad Eggleston: Finding a woman named Clancy Rhyme, and… A man named Wayne Rhyme.
• 1:13:43
  Tad Eggleston: Oh, then there's a Fritz rhyme.
• 1:13:47
  Tad Eggleston: But none of them look like that style.
• 1:13:50
  Tad Eggleston: Oh, wait a minute.
• 1:14:00
  Tad Eggleston: Mr. Boys…
• 1:14:04
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, I don't know.
• 1:14:11
  Tad Eggleston: Anyway…
• 1:14:12
  Tad Eggleston: I think we've officially hit our, our, our off-the-rails and out-of-steam point. Did you remember that part, part of our formula, Dan?
• 1:14:22
  Tad Eggleston: We sometimes end abruptly when it's like, wait, nobody's talking. What were we talking about? Oh, I guess we're done. But more Palomino next month. Also, if you want to read along, you can now read all of Palomino as soon as the Kickstarter ends and it starts getting fulfilled.
• 1:14:42
  Tad Eggleston: All 6 volumes are available on Kickstarter right now,
• 1:14:49
  Tad Eggleston: Probably for a relatively reasonable price for 6 volumes.
• 1:14:55
  Tad Eggleston: I'll pull it up. We'll give a full-on plug.
• 1:14:59
  dnewland: Nope.
• 1:15:02
  dnewland: And from what I saw, after, after reading them, so I'm like.
• 1:15:06
  dnewland: These look pretty fantastic. This is the only way to get these, correct? Palominos are not…
• 1:15:12
  Tad Eggleston: DarkPlanetComics.com.
• 1:15:15
  dnewland: They do have them there as well. Yeah.
• 1:15:17
  Tad Eggleston: That's actually Stefan's… Stefan's site.
• 1:15:20
  Tad Eggleston: so he sells them direct. He will sell them to comic shops, but he's not distributing through…
• 1:15:28
  Tad Eggleston: Anybody, so they've gotta be… and there's… there's a retailer tier…
• 1:15:33
  Tad Eggleston: on, the Kickstarter right now. So, like, I encourage comic shops to pick these up. I think they're.
• 1:15:41
  dnewland: Oh.
• 1:15:42
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, I don't think I've been, been, hidden…
• 1:15:47
  Tad Eggleston: that I… I am, I am a big fan.
• 1:15:49
  Tad Eggleston: I may have ordered the coffee mug with mine.
• 1:15:54
  Tad Eggleston: And I'm debating the, the t-shirt.
• 1:16:01
  dnewland: her books look really good, too. I want to go and show.
• 1:16:02
  Tad Eggleston: Oh, I enjoyed Silver. I actually, really like… The, the… Romance in the… the…
• 1:16:12
  Tad Eggleston: The Age of the Space God.
• 1:16:16
  Tad Eggleston: as well.
• 1:16:17
  dnewland: Interesting.
• 1:16:18
  Tad Eggleston: That was, like, that was just a one oversized comic that he did.
• 1:16:23
  Tad Eggleston: But yeah, looks like you can get…
• 1:16:29
  dnewland: You know, in a completely different style, as well, from the looks of it.
• 1:16:33
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, no.
• 1:16:34
  dnewland: anthropomorphic, kind of…
• 1:16:36
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:16:37
  dnewland: No.
• 1:16:38
  Tad Eggleston: Well, he messes around with the styles sometimes, because he can. He has… Has those skills.
• 1:16:50
  Tad Eggleston: he directed a number of the issues, or a number of the episodes of the most recent season of Marvel's What If?
• 1:16:57
  Tad Eggleston: But yeah, it looks like…
• 1:17:00
  Tad Eggleston: Oh, all, all of the books is, is, is all of the books.
• 1:17:06
  Tad Eggleston: So you can get all of his books, period, for $182, but that's all of Palomino, all of Silver…
• 1:17:15
  Tad Eggleston: Rosalind, and Romance in the Age of the Space God.
• 1:17:19
  Tad Eggleston: Complete Palomino is 102.
• 1:17:25
  Tad Eggleston: Mmm.
• 1:17:32
  Tad Eggleston: I might have to change my… my… there's a… there's a…
• 1:17:36
  Tad Eggleston: There's a volume, or there's one that has the t-shirt and the mug.
• 1:17:44
  Mark Pracht: Gentlemen, I have to get off, I apologize.
• 1:17:46
  Tad Eggleston: Well, then we will say, for Mark Pratt, and…
• 1:17:51
  Tad Eggleston: Sean Harker Road and Dan Newland, this has been…
• 1:17:56
  Tad Eggleston: 22 panels, and we will see you after the next page.