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National Treasure · The Bechdel Cast

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  Speaker 1: On the bel Cast, the questions asked if movies have
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  Speaker 1: women in them, are all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands,
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  Speaker 1: or do they have individualism? The patriarchy? Zef In best
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  Speaker 1: start changing it with the Bedel Cast. Caitlin, I can't
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  Speaker 1: do this podcast. What why? It's just gonna lead to
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  Speaker 1: another clue and that's gonna lead to another clue. And
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  Speaker 1: I've lost twenty years of my life to this and
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  Speaker 1: I can't do it anymore. I'm not gonna do the podcast. No,
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  Speaker 1: that's me cause playing against John Voight that was great,
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  Speaker 1: wouldn't be funny. If you're like, I can't do this podcast,
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  Speaker 1: It's just gonna lead to a spinoff podcast, and that's
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  Speaker 1: going to lead to the podcast, which is how that works.
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  Speaker 1: And soon enough will have wasted twenty years on this bullshit.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the first quarantined becdel Cast. Yes, we are
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  Speaker 1: recording separately in separate places. Um, we're meeting up over
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  Speaker 1: Google Hangouts. Wow, shout out to Google, my King King Goog.
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  Speaker 1: This is gonna be the two of us today and
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  Speaker 1: we are doing National Treasure. I mean we figured, you know,
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  Speaker 1: it's a tough time. We we got to bust out
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  Speaker 1: some of the some of the some of the best
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  Speaker 1: movies in American cannon to really tide you over during
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  Speaker 1: this bizarre time. So and we also we will be
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  Speaker 1: able to have guests over Google. Everyone is very quickly
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  Speaker 1: adapting to this new and terrifying world we're in, so
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  Speaker 1: that's good. Yes, so we will do some Quarantine episodes
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  Speaker 1: with guests, um, but for today, it's just the two
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  Speaker 1: of us. We really wanted to pick a bit, like
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  Speaker 1: a really escapist media get people's minds off the pandemic.
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  Speaker 1: I thought we chose it because it's a very time
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  Speaker 1: Emily critique of I thought we were like, now more
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  Speaker 1: than ever, the content of National Treasure is very relevant.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I cannot wait to talk about the socialist
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  Speaker 1: ending sort of of the movie, right, the redistribute to
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  Speaker 1: the people vibes, You're like, Okay, ne Gage, pretty, Bernie Sanders, God,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I I don't even know where to start
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  Speaker 1: with Justin Bartha, I forgot that. We I like, oh
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  Speaker 1: my god, we have so we're going to just have
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  Speaker 1: fun today. We hope that you enjoy the episode. We
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  Speaker 1: got very positive feedback when we tweeted that we were
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  Speaker 1: going to be doing it so oh my god. Justin
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  Speaker 1: Bartha's Wikipedia picture is literally a head shot from twenty
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  Speaker 1: years ago. How embarrassing for him? What? Okay, well, we're
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  Speaker 1: talking about National Treasure today and it's going to be
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  Speaker 1: an absolute treat it will. Yeah, you're welcome, everybody, and
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  Speaker 1: if you're if you're not familiar with the podcast, is
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  Speaker 1: your maybe first episode? I hope, So I hope people
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  Speaker 1: are getting into it in the car on you know
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  Speaker 1: those like um Instagram story templates that are going around
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  Speaker 1: where it's like, my favorite podcast is this The one
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  Speaker 1: that makes me laugh the most is this one? And
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  Speaker 1: then like some of them are like the one I
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  Speaker 1: just discovered and a bunch of people have tagged us
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  Speaker 1: like under that category is like the one they've just
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  Speaker 1: like a podcast they've just discovered. So I think, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: there's some newcomers still every every day welcome and that
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  Speaker 1: will lead to you and not lead to another podcast,
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  Speaker 1: and that will lead to another podcast and then we'll
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  Speaker 1: be locked in our house for toys. There's there's so
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  Speaker 1: many perfect line reads in this movie. It really boggles
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  Speaker 1: the mind. Oh my gosh, Nicolas Cage, what what what
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  Speaker 1: is he doing? Truly an icon? What is he ever doing?
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  Speaker 1: That's why we love him so anyway, we we are
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  Speaker 1: a feminist movie podcast. We use the Bechdel Test as
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  Speaker 1: a jumping off point to initiate a larger conversation about
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  Speaker 1: representation of women in cinema. The Bechdel Test, of course,
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  Speaker 1: is a media metric created by cartoonist Alison Bechdel, sometimes
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  Speaker 1: called the Bechdel Wallace Test, and it requires that two
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  Speaker 1: female identifying characters who have been named speak to each
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  Speaker 1: other about something other than a man, and by our standard,
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  Speaker 1: it just has to be a two line exchange. So
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  Speaker 1: we'll see if National Treasure can manage to pass the
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  Speaker 1: Bechdel Tests. But if you're just listening at home, take
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  Speaker 1: a wild guess, just take a what do you think that?
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  Speaker 1: What are your instincts tell you? And then for this movie,
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  Speaker 1: really trust those instincts. Um they're Caitlyen. What is your
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  Speaker 1: personal history with National Treasure one? Um. I decided to
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  Speaker 1: take it upon myself to watch it for the first time,
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  Speaker 1: maybe like two years ago. I had never seen it,
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  Speaker 1: like for sure going to cover this pretty much. Um, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. I never saw it. I didn't see
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  Speaker 1: in theaters, never saw it growing up, never saw the
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  Speaker 1: sequel until yeah, just a couple of years ago, and
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  Speaker 1: I was just like, I wonder if this is any good,
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna watch it. And then I watched it and
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  Speaker 1: I was like, you know what, this is surprisingly better
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  Speaker 1: than I thought it was going to be. But I
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  Speaker 1: didn't see this sequel until like yesterday, and I was like,
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  Speaker 1: fuck it, I'm gonna watch the National Treasure to watch that.
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  Speaker 1: I mean the scene I have not seen National Treasure too,
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  Speaker 1: and the scene you sent me is so like, is
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  Speaker 1: this going to be the first episode where we have
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  Speaker 1: to use audio clips because it's literally yes, you can't
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  Speaker 1: describe it? Really? Let me play the one from the
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  Speaker 1: first movie. You have them both? Yes, here is okay,
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  Speaker 1: here we go, Okay, I wish what whoa? My god?
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  Speaker 1: He was born to deliver that line? And then wait,
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  Speaker 1: do you have the one from National Treasure two? So
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  Speaker 1: I have the one from National Treasure to which is
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  Speaker 1: basically a freakishly identical line read for an equally wildline. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: show how am I going to get him alone? And
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  Speaker 1: then a kidnapping to prison United? Oh god. John Voight
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  Speaker 1: is in this in that scene too where he goes
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  Speaker 1: what there? Why is John Void in this movie? I
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  Speaker 1: just like, I mean, I can't with John Voight. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: I will say just a couple of words when we
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  Speaker 1: get into this discussion about national treasure too, because we
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  Speaker 1: are focusing on the first one. But I like Helen Mirren,
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  Speaker 1: isn't it I did know that? What does she do? Oh?
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  Speaker 1: Just wait, Okay, I'll leave some clues and then maybe
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  Speaker 1: you'll figure out what the clues mean, and then maybe
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  Speaker 1: you'll she is Nicolas Cage's mom, So I'm just giving
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  Speaker 1: it away. Okay, So she's Oh, she plays John Void's
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  Speaker 1: his wife, Yes, well his ex wife, his ex wife.
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  Speaker 1: But I feel like the first movie makes you think
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  Speaker 1: that she's dead, but she's not. They bring her back
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  Speaker 1: to life and it's Helen Mirren. Okay, because they do. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and the first one, John voids like you need to
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  Speaker 1: appreciate the time you have, like the time with your mother,
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  Speaker 1: And I'm just like, that's a weird way to describe
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  Speaker 1: a divorce. If the way like what you should have
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  Speaker 1: just been a better husband. I don't know. And she
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  Speaker 1: she addresses that, Helen mare and is like, you were
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  Speaker 1: a really bad husband who didn't pay any attention to anyone,
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  Speaker 1: but you're stupid treasure stuff. So he's this poor family
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  Speaker 1: and their treasure related trauma. It's so sad, it's tragic.
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  Speaker 1: So anyway, Jamie, what is your history and relationship with
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  Speaker 1: National Treasure. I love this movie so much. I saw
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  Speaker 1: it in theaters twice. It's still I Oh, I was.
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  Speaker 1: I was twelve when like I was like I was
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  Speaker 1: the target demo for National Treasure. I loved it. My
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  Speaker 1: cousins loved it, My brother loved it. My favorite bad
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  Speaker 1: movie season of all time, the Holiday movie season of
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  Speaker 1: two thousand four. You've got phandom of the Opera, you've
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  Speaker 1: got National Treasure, you've got the really bad Series of
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  Speaker 1: Unfortunate Events movie. You've got all hitters of like shitty,
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  Speaker 1: enduring movies that profoundly affected me. I loved the first
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  Speaker 1: National Treasure. When I tweeted that we were doing this.
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  Speaker 1: My mom also, My mom loved this movie so much
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  Speaker 1: to the point where she brought it us to it
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  Speaker 1: a second time. And she had the hots for Bartha
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  Speaker 1: because she like she responded to me with, like, oh
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  Speaker 1: Riley Pool, what a dreamboats? Like she loves and she
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  Speaker 1: remembered his character's name. Five years later, So wow, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that's impressive. Yeah, I'm I don't. I think that I
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  Speaker 1: had maybe grown out of it by the time the
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  Speaker 1: second one came out or something, because I didn't see
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  Speaker 1: the second one, but I loved the first one so much,
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  Speaker 1: and I like it's one of those weird, like childhood
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  Speaker 1: movies where I found myself like remembering lines from it,
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  Speaker 1: like I for some reason, the twist, maybe one of
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  Speaker 1: the stupid er twists in the movie that has to
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  Speaker 1: do with daylight savings time. Yes, you've referred to that
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  Speaker 1: on the podcast before numerous times. Yes, like for some
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  Speaker 1: reason really stuck with me. And then seeing where it
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  Speaker 1: fell and like where in the second act it fell,
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  Speaker 1: You're like, that's so stupid. What was the point of that?
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  Speaker 1: That's so easily But there's oh those movie is like
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  Speaker 1: all flash like guess what, guess what America the Founding Fathers,
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  Speaker 1: and then at the end they reveal this stolen treasure.
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  Speaker 1: It's all like the optics of the treasure is not good.
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  Speaker 1: I mean that's the case with most of these adventure
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  Speaker 1: like treasure seeking narratives. Same with Indiana Jones. Yeah that's
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  Speaker 1: not yours. Hey, Hey, I think um, Dora in the
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  Speaker 1: Lost City handles it well. So if anyone is out
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  Speaker 1: there looking for a kind of adventure treasure movie, that
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  Speaker 1: does a good job. Dora was a great film and
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  Speaker 1: I loved it a lot. So check that out. You'd
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  Speaker 1: love to hear it. Yeah, no, it's so one of
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  Speaker 1: my childhood faves. But I hadn't seen it in probably
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  Speaker 1: ten years or something, so but I still remember too much.
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  Speaker 1: Turns out it's monumental. Get it monuments he turns out,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, and then I'm looking back now, I'm like,
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  Speaker 1: this was a weird couple of years for Justin Bartha.
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  Speaker 1: This was like maybe his biggest role to date at
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  Speaker 1: that time, and this was maybe his quote unquote star making.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, if we're calling Justin Bartha a star, which
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  Speaker 1: I guess we're not um either way. National Treasure was
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  Speaker 1: his first big role. Of course, his smaller role before
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  Speaker 1: that being in Geli, which today was an absolutely cancelable offense.
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  Speaker 1: But in the early two thousand's there were no rules
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  Speaker 1: and you could just be in Gelie and the next
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  Speaker 1: year you could be in National Treasure, and the year
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  Speaker 1: after that you could be in Failure to Launch. There
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  Speaker 1: were no laws back then it was very different. It
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  Speaker 1: was chaos. So anyways, um, this movie rules the rules.
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  Speaker 1: And speaking of chaos, let's do the recap. Oh, how
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  Speaker 1: do you read? I do not envy right now? How
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  Speaker 1: does one recap? National did my best? From the writers
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  Speaker 1: that brought you snow Dogs and Bad Boys Too comes this. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: the credited screenwriters for this movie are Jim Kove, Cormack, Wibberly,
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  Speaker 1: and Mary and Wibberly. So two men and one woman.
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  Speaker 1: I'm glad that there is a female writer on this movie,
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  Speaker 1: and I think that perhaps Abigail's character is slightly better
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  Speaker 1: written because of her presence. I'm speculating. I mean, I
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  Speaker 1: would hate to see what this movie would be without
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  Speaker 1: this without one woman, because she it seems that she's
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  Speaker 1: the only woman involved at like the higher level. But
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  Speaker 1: I will say that a lot of times that you
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  Speaker 1: see a female writer, it's like it seems like the
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  Speaker 1: quality like she like I I don't mean to lessen
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  Speaker 1: her role in it, like she it seems like she
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  Speaker 1: did a lot of I mean, it's National Treasure, it's
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  Speaker 1: a classic. But a lot of times where it's like
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  Speaker 1: the one female writer on the team is part of
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  Speaker 1: a husband wife writing team as opposed to just being
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  Speaker 1: like hired on. You know, it's just it's the thing
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  Speaker 1: that we've the one female writer thing has popped up
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  Speaker 1: for us a lot and a lot of times it
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  Speaker 1: is because of a husband. I don't know, I don't
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  Speaker 1: feel any particular way about it, but I noticed it. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Same anyways, So here we go with the story. We
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  Speaker 1: meet Ben Gates a k a. Benjamin Franklin Gates, um
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  Speaker 1: of a horse. He's named after Benjamin Franklin Galen. My
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  Speaker 1: brother who his name is Ben was so I remember,
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  Speaker 1: like he was just like immediately like if someone in
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  Speaker 1: a movie has your name, you're like, yeah, that is me. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I like spit out my drink. When Christopher Plummer is
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  Speaker 1: there as his grandpa, like when he's a kid, and
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  Speaker 1: he's like, okay, Benjamin Franklin Gates, what are you doing
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  Speaker 1: up here? Imagine being Christopher Blumber, one of the best
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  Speaker 1: actors ever and then having to say that like it's
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  Speaker 1: so like it's wild, yes, okay. So we meet him
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  Speaker 1: as a young boy snooping around the attic of his
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  Speaker 1: house and his grandfather, Christopher Plummer, comes in and he's
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  Speaker 1: like his name George Washington Gates. We don't know what
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  Speaker 1: his name is, right, um, Paul Revere Gates, and he
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  Speaker 1: is like, okay, you're finally old enough, I'll tell you
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  Speaker 1: about like our family history. So he tells them about
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  Speaker 1: this ancient treasure that's been passed around century after century.
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  Speaker 1: And these guys called the Night Nice are there, like
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  Speaker 1: some old Christian organization that's vaguely scary, right, They found it.
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  Speaker 1: They were kind of protecting it for a while, and
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  Speaker 1: then they later became the Freemasons, or like a certain
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  Speaker 1: chunk of them broke off and became the Freemasons, and
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  Speaker 1: some of them were the founding fathers of the United States.
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  Speaker 1: And they hid the treasure from the British because they're like,
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  Speaker 1: fuck the British, we have our colonies, now we're cool.
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  Speaker 1: They hid the treasure and they planted all these clues
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  Speaker 1: and maps to the treasure in different places, but all
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  Speaker 1: these clues eventually got lost or forgotten. There's so many clues.
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  Speaker 1: They'll just lead to another clue and then we need another.
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  Speaker 1: No more claes. Also, John Voy's characters name is Patrick
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  Speaker 1: Henry Gates, so they literally just the naming convention. In
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  Speaker 1: his family is to just have a founding father and
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  Speaker 1: then Gates, Yeah, that's all You're embarrassing, really honestly, so
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  Speaker 1: embarrassing for them, like more defined to have to admit
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  Speaker 1: your name is Benjamin Franklin. Gates, there an embarrassing family. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: So all the clues have been lost or forgotten except
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  Speaker 1: for one, and this one clue is the Secret Lies
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  Speaker 1: with Charlotte. I remembered this from five years ago and
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  Speaker 1: this movie came out. I'm like, oh, right, the secret
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  Speaker 1: does lie by Charlotte, but it's the place, not the
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  Speaker 1: and right. So we learned that several generations of Ben's
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  Speaker 1: family have been trying to find these clues so they
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  Speaker 1: can find the treasure. And it all dates back to
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  Speaker 1: like Christopher Plummer's grandfather, who like was hanging out with
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  Speaker 1: this I don't even remember the guy's name, but he
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  Speaker 1: was like the last surviving member of the people who
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  Speaker 1: signed the Declaration of Independence, and he's like the Secret
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  Speaker 1: lies with Charlotte. And then with almost any plot point
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  Speaker 1: in this movie, you can end the sentence with like
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  Speaker 1: or something and it doesn't really change your interpretation of it.
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  Speaker 1: You're like, I don't know, like that they're the clues
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  Speaker 1: are gone or something, and so it's not good. Well
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  Speaker 1: here's something that I just realized in real time here, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: So the clue that they have is the secret lies
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  Speaker 1: with Charlotte, And as we're about to find out, Nicholas
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  Speaker 1: Cage's character finds the Charlotte. So like, what were all
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  Speaker 1: those generations of families doing? Like what clues are they
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  Speaker 1: talking about? Because like he just goes from that one
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  Speaker 1: clue that they have and he finds the Charlotte, But like,
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  Speaker 1: what are all these other Like how do they waste?
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  Speaker 1: Weird to believe that they have been looking for this
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  Speaker 1: treasure for hundreds of years and have really not gotten
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  Speaker 1: past the first clue? Right? So right, what are all
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  Speaker 1: these clues that John Voight is talking about when he's
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  Speaker 1: like and that'll lead you to another clue? Like which clues?
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  Speaker 1: But like Ben Gates is just going off of that
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  Speaker 1: one clue and he finds the Charlotte, Like what are
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  Speaker 1: what are they talking about? Where has he been snooping
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  Speaker 1: around for all these centuries? I don't know, I don't
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  Speaker 1: know really understand it, but I do think it's fine.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I want to believe that screenwriter Marianne Wibberly
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  Speaker 1: is making commentary here on male mediocrity and saying that
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  Speaker 1: because it has to do with the Knights, Templar and
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  Speaker 1: especially the Freemasons, which still doesn't allow. Well, I have
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  Speaker 1: that in context, corner, but like a group famously hostile
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  Speaker 1: towards women, it's just been these guys fumbling around looking
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  Speaker 1: for what Charlotte could mean for for two hundred plus years.
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  Speaker 1: Do you think they like went into shopping malls and
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  Speaker 1: they're like, the sea lies with Charlotte, Charlotte Ruth. I
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  Speaker 1: thought that maybe we're on the same way. Like that
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  Speaker 1: was like the secret lives with Charlotte rus The secret
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  Speaker 1: lives with Charlotte from Sex in the City. Who could
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  Speaker 1: be the secret could lie with Kristin Davis. We don't know, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: we don't know. These are things people don't think about
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  Speaker 1: and if they, if they had asked a woman, they
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  Speaker 1: would have been like, have you considered Charlotte Ruth? If
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  Speaker 1: you had asked, you know, it's it's it's it's something
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  Speaker 1: to consider. It is indeed. Okay. So we cut to
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  Speaker 1: Ben as an adult. He has grown up to be
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  Speaker 1: Nicholas Cage and he is searching for Charlotte, which turns
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: out to be a ship buried in the ice in
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  Speaker 1: the Arctic, and they explain how that would have happened.
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  Speaker 1: But I don't understand something. Yeah, he has his is
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: this his apprentice? Like? Who is Riley? To him? Like
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  Speaker 1: his little sidekick? He is basically the animal sidekick. Think
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: of Riley as like a little animated squirrel voice by
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: Justin Bartha. He basically serves the same function. He's like
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: a sexless creature who delivers punch lines, right, Because I
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: always this is a Disney movie and we cannot forget that.
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  Speaker 1: I think that they are using the Disney Renaissance formula.
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  Speaker 1: But they're like, well, we can't get an animated creature,
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  Speaker 1: but Bartha is available, and Bartha is the next best thing,
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  Speaker 1: so they got him in the mix. I think that
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: Justin Bartha actually does like he still doesn't make me
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  Speaker 1: giggle a couple of times. I think they let him
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  Speaker 1: improvise a little bit. I like when he says this
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: car smells weird U and I remember when I was
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: a kid racking up. At the end when they find
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: the treasure, he's like, it's a tall, bluish greenish man
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: with a strange goatee, and then he hugs him, and
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: then he hugs I'm like, Bartha's funny, but he is
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: just a little like cartoon assistant. Yeah, and speaking of
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: like people who cannot be critical of others goatees. Justin
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: Bartha got in this movie is did they give him
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: that facial hair? It's so weird. I think that they
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: just are like, no, he's an adult, you know, because
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: he just looks he has such a baby face. Maybe
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: I don't know, but like in the first scene when
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: they're in the Arctic, he has like just kind of
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: like a five o'clock shadow. But then by the next
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: scene when they're in the Library of Congress or whatever,
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: they've shaved it down, but it's it's still just like stubble.
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: It's not like a full beard. It's so weird. It
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: sucks um Anyway, So Riley Pool is there with Ben
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: in the Arctic. So is Ian. That's Sean Bean's character,
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: and then like one or two of his friends. So
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: they find the Charlotte, this ship and they go into
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: it and the next clue they find on a pipe,
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: and the clue is a riddle that Ben figures out
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: something must mean that there is a map, an invisible
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: nap on the back of the Declaration of Independence, and
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: then we're like, what this rules? This is the best
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: day of my life. There's a map on the back
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: of I wonder do you think this? Okay? Well, actually
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: I kind of know the answer, But this seems like
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: the part that Nicholas Cage was born to play. But
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: I don't what what do you know? It was he
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: the original I mean he was. I know that he
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: ended up being cast in OH three, but this project
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: was in development in the late nineties as well, And like,
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: I wonder who else was considered for this part because
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: I can't picture literally anyone else on the planet playing
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: Benjamin Franklin Gates than Nick Cage. And I don't mean
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: that as a compliment. I just can't think of anyone
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: else who could who could do it. Well, Okay, so
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: they're clearly pulling a lot from Indiana Jones, except character wise, like,
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: in no way does Nicolas Cage and his character Benjamin
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: Franklin Gates resemble Indiana Jones at all. And I and
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: I think that that is a compliment, Yes, sure, but
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: like Nicolas Cage isn't the type of like He's not
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: an action star, but for some reason, he keeps getting
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: cast in action movies. It's a beautiful mistake of history that,
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: like one of the strangest men to be born, has
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: been pegged as an action hero for some reason. Right,
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: I cannot make sense of it, But like, I don't
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: know who else was considered. I truly don't know why
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: they ended up casting Nicolas Cage in this role. But
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: I'm also I'm similarly confused by Tom Hanks being cast
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: as the what's his face character from the Da Vinci
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: oh um, the whatever that that movie. I read that
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: whole book and was like, this is amazing, and then
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: the movie ha hack in spite of al for Malina's involvement,
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: right A for Molina is in it, He's fully in it.
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: He's back in the robes. Baby, you gotta get Malina
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: in the Robes. Well, the Da Vinci Code and Angels
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: and Demons are basically like National Treasure but in Europe,
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: so you know, it's the same type of narrative and
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: weird casting choice I think with Tom Hanks, weird casting
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: choice I think was Nicolas Cage. But who could you
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: picture playing Benjamin Franklin Gates. Who could you picture saying
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: I'm going to steal the declaration of end up and
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: it's with such conviction. Oh sure, okay, So so the
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: way this script is written, yes, only Nicholas Cage can
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: do it. I think if they had written another draft
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: form for a normal person, it would have gone differently,
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: not like the other boys. Want okay, really quick. Just
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: because we are in the car, I wanted to say
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: that Freddie Molina has been posting the nicest quarantine content
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: to his fin stuff. I love it so much. Here's
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: my favor post. So it's the picture is this? It's
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: Freddy's easy chair with a pile of books next to it.
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: Caption says stay at home and avoid close contact please.
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: Actors have been doing that for generation. And then it's
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: the drama emoji, and then it's the film clapper emoji,
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: and then it's a heart and I'm like, you know
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: what we are going to be line, He's amazing, What
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: a what a funny guy. Why do the imagine parody
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: when you could just post that. You know Freddie would
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: never participate in something like that, and that is partially
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: why um he's one of the only men allowed on
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: the show m anyways, Um, well, that feels like a
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: good place to take a break, even though we're in
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: the middle of the recap. But you know, it's unhinged
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: here in quarantine Bechtel cast Land. So we're all out
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: of sorts, so let's take a quick break and then
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: we'll come right back. Okay, we're back, and we've got
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: more recap to do. Yeah, okay, So Ben has just
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: figured out there must be an invisible map on the
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: back of the Declaration of Independence. And then Sean Bean's character,
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: You'll never believe this, but he turns out to be
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: a bad guy because not d nine percent of the
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: time Sean Bean is playing the bad guy. Well except
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: for when he's in Gammul Thronge, that's true. That's one
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: of the few exceptions. But he's normally the bad guy,
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: and this movie is no exception. And he says, well,
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: I'm going to steal the Declaration of Independence, and everyone's like,
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: oh my god, what is that a hairpiece? That hairpiece.
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: It took me twenty minutes to realize it was Sean
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: Bean because of that weird blonde hairpiece they like super
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: glued to his scalp. It's really bad. But I just
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: assumed is that just not his real hair? If it is,
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: he's in deep trouble. I like that. I have to
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: believe that that's not his real hair, or it's the
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: weirdest dye job I've ever. It's a bad cut me
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: it's like a natural blonde. Yeah, well, sound off in
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: the comments, but I think I'm just really bad at
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: telling when someone's wearing a wig. I just assume everyone's
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: hair is their actual hair. I don't know now that
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: I'm looking at his natural hair, like it could be
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: his natural hair. But if so, like for shame on
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: whoever was styling these actors, because they gave Justin Bartha
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: that goatee and Sean being that haircut. I mean, Nicholas
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: Cage's hair is well, but when has that been good?
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: I mean it was fine and moonstruck I think, but
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: like maybe since the late eighties he's had some really
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: weird those hair plugs. Is that's what's happening. I think
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: he's rocking some plugs in that tresh. I also have
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: curiosities about because this is produced by Jerry Bruckheimer. It's
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: a Bruckheimer joint, so that brings vneersers because if you have,
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: if you're new to the show, we can't stop talking
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: about it. Jerry Bruckheimer famously, along with Lauren Michaels, makes
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: his actors get veneers and I was keeping an eye
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: on it, and I mean Cage for sure has veneers.
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: I think it's hard to say whether Bruckheimer was involved
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: or whether he got them of his own volition. Diane Krueger,
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: I don't know. She may just have gorgeous naturals. Uh
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: Sean Bean for sure a veneers and Justin Bartha another
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: person who's kind of in the air for me. But
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: Bruckheimer does not let narry a crooked tooth on a set.
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: You will yank him out and throw in some porcelain
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: ones like. It's just it's very dark. The reality of
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: a Bruckheimer set. I can't even imagine anyway. Okay, so
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: you know we've got Nick Cage. He's got his weird hair.
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: He's got also in the second movie. At least in
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: the first movie his hair looks passable because he has
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: some small sideburns, but they shave his sideburns in the
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: second movie, so he just has this weird like mop
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: with no it's so weird you, Jamie. I insist you
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: watch National Treasure too, I really want. I mean, based
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: on that alone, right, um incredible, it's out of control
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: and his hair is somehow worse anyway. So Benjamin Franklin
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: Gates is like, you can't just steal the Declaration of Independence,
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: and Sean Bean is all like, well, I want treasure.
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: So they have an altercation about it. There's this big explosion,
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: there's much of gunpowder. Then they all kind of runaway
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: and part ways, and Ben and Riley have to warn
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: a bunch of government agencies that the Declaration of Independence
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: is going to be stolen, including they tell Abigail Chase.
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: And she works at like the National Archives. I think, so,
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: I think, I wonder. I'm curious about the historical accuration.
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: I'm like, is her office really just behind the Declaration
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: of Independence? Is that a location? And metting this? I
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know either. It didn't seem real,
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: but she's there and she works in the archives, and um,
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: she doesn't believe them. No one believes them. So Ben
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: is like, well, I guess we have to steal the
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: Declaration of Independence for ourselves. Love it. He wants to
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: steal it to protect it from Sean Bean before he
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: can get to it. So then there's this heist sequence
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: and they successfully steal the Declaration of Independence, but Abigail
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: is suspicious of Ben while this is happening. This is
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: all happening during a gala, and she's kind of tailing him,
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: and then Sean Bean is also there trying to steal
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: the document, and then there's this big chase scene with Ben,
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: the bad guys and Abigail. They fooling her out of
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: a tor ruck. Oh my, it's the whole thing. She's
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: damn ms old and then she's damseled kind of for
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: a second time. She's double kidnapped, right, So Ben saves
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: her a k A. He kidnaps her from her previous kidnappers,
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: and he and Riley and Abigail get away with the
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: real Declaration of Independence, and Abigail is understandably very mad
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: that they stole it, but they're like, stop yelling. There's
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: so much to talk about with that sequence, um, But
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: basically she refuses to let it out of her sight,
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: so she agrees to go with them to Ben's father's house.
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: Enter John Void, which for context, during his difficult years
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: with his daughter Angelina, who by the way, Okay, So
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: another movie or another franchise that is very similar to
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: National Treasure is Laura Croft. Tomb writer John voy plays
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: basically the opposite, the same, but the opposite in the
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: sense that in Lotta Craft, John Voyd's character is dead
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: but he loves treasure hunting and he loves the clues.
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: He loves leaves being clues behind all that. In National Treasure,
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: he's alive and he is so over the clues he
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: doesn't want any part of it. He's like, um, actually,
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: treasure is over. He's so sick of treasure. He makes
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: all these weird claims to like I I Also another
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: John Voit line that I've remembered from this movie for
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: some reason is when he invites everyone in and he
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: says something sexist at the door, and then he lets
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: them and then he lets me. It's also it's like
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: the most frustrating kind of misogynist line because it doesn't
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: even make sense where You're like where this is coming from.
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: But he lets them in and then he's like, so
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: there's pizza in the other room, and you're like, what
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: is that line? Like what? How? Why? Does John Voight
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: have enough pizza for four people cooling off? And then
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: Justin Barthe is like, yum yum. He's the squirrel. He's
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: the little animal. He's a creature. He's like, oh no, no, no,
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: no no. The first draft in the first round of
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: National Treasure, Jorgan Johnsin Barthe's character is a little squirrel.
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: Never dark, no, no, no, no none. Justin Barthe, I
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: mean whatever, if you see his performance in Julie, you'll
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: never feel bad for him again. Oh my god, his
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: character is so weird. It's so weird. Anyway, So yeah,
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: they go to John Voyd's house. Yes, they go to
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: John Boy's house. And then they use lemon juice. It's
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: literally invisible ink that you would use in like the
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: fourth grade, and they bring it out by using lemon
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: juice and hair dryers, and they reveal this secret code
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: that is on the back of the document and it
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: turns out to be a cipher. But they need these letters,
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: the do Good letters or something that we're written by
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: Benjamin Franklin, the original not Benjamin Franklin. Gates so frustrating,
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: it's so embarrassing. Oh I love it. I hope that
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: then like there's National Treasure, Like I think National Treasure
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: three is allegedly happening. I've heard that, yes, but I
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: hope that it's like there's like now another kid in
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: the mix, and it's like James Madison Gates needs to
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: steal like George Washington's teeth because there's a map inside.
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: I mean, I think that if that's not the plot,
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: then someone in Hollywood is fucking up. Okay, So they're like, okay,
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: we need the the Silence do Good letters. But John
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: Voight does not have them anymore because he donated them
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: because he thinks treasure hunting is silly. He's over at
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: treasure hunting made him a bad father right and now,
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: and he's making amends by apparently never hanging out with
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: his son. So now Ben Riley and Abigail have to
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: go to the Franklin Institute in Philadelphia to decipher the
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: code using these letters that leads them to the Liberty
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: Bell and Independence Hall. And it's also at this point
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: in the story when Ben and Abigail start vibing. It's
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: like in a dressing room right in an urban outfitters.
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: Every other other GIF forever twenty one being like so
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: like what's your story? Like what the fund is that? Um? Also,
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: and this has already been happening, but um, Harvey Kitel
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: is in the movie, and he is I think is
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: the FBI. I don't know. He's leading the investigation to
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: find Ben and recover the Declaration of Independence. I like,
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: I like Harvey Kitel, and he's in it just enough
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: you almost forget he's in it, and then he's in
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: it again, and then he's gone for an hour and
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: you're like, this movie is also too long for what
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: it is? Long? Yes, far too long. Also, Harvey Kitel
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: is kind of playing the sav exact character that he
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: played in Elman Louise, where he's like law enforcement, but
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: he's also like, but I want to be your friend,
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: Like I'm trying to help you, help help me, help her.
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: Hotel has good has like big not all cops energy,
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: and I'm like, I don't know how productive this is, right, Like,
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: this doesn't seem like I'm not on board with it.
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: But then when you put Harvey Kitel in the mixture,
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: like I don't know, it's confusing. Also, I wanted to
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: just quickly shout out Diane Krueger, a woman that only
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: existed for about three or four years and then she disappears. Yeah,
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: I don't know if I've seen her in really anything else.
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: She actually has, but I'm not giving her enough cry.
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: But she I remember her from um Inglorious Bastards. She's
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: in that. Um. She was also in a movie I
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: never have seen it, never will But Troy comes out
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: the same year as I did see that. Yeah, I
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: saw that in theaters. That's the That's what I was
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: seeing in two thousand four. So she she was Helen
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: in Troy. Helen of Troy, got it. Yeah, she started
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: the whole war. It's all it's all women's fault. Um.
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: So she was like she was a big thing in
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: like the mid two thousands. But she's still she's still working.
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: She um. I don't mean to downplay her talent, but
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: she this was like I think peek her her like
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: this and and Inglorious Bastard were her too, like big moments.
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: So far. She from Germany, she is. Yeah, it seems
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: like I wonder they kind of reverse engineered the character
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: to be for her because she is German American. She
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: started as a model and then got cast as Helen
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: of Troy. And then unlike some model actors ended up
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: being a pretty like a solid actor and is the
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: still working actor now. He's good for her. The go
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: I ask because so she hasn't a German accent that
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: Ben Gates detects when he first meets her. But that
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: interaction is so weird because he says, oh your accent
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: are you Pennsylvania Dutch? And Pennsylvania Dutch for anyone who
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: doesn't know refers to Amish people, I'm pretty sure. So
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: he's asking her if she's Amish and she's like, no,
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: Saxony German or something like why does he think she's
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: Amish or why does I don't know? It was just like,
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: am I maybe I'm missing something or maybe I'm misinterpreting that,
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: but I'm just like, there's no such thing in this movie.
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: Like that was a very bizarre and I mean that
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: whole interaction is it is unfortunately the most like one
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: of the more empowering moments for for Abigail where you're like, oh,
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: she's in charge of the scene. She's telling Nick Cage
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: that what he's asking for is unreasonable and stupid, but
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: he's still God. And then when he oh, my favorite
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: line in the movie that I'm like, what is this is?
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: When you know how he like sends her whatever the
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: campaign button that she didn't or something, he sends her
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: something that she wanted and it's like, hey, babe, good
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: talking to you today. L O L love Paul because
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: he's Paul in his scenario. But when that arrives, it's
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: one of the only interactions with two women in the
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: entire movie. Like her, I think her receptionist brings it
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: to her and then what does she say? She says,
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: I have it written down. She's like, what is this?
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: I hope it's not from Stand Stand? When you're like,
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: who stand? And why are you? Why they are? The
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: fact that they went through the trouble of writing that
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: line down and we never find out who Stand is
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: or why she can't get rid of him? Is he
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: an X? Is he a creep? Like? What is his right?
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: Especially because like if we or if we used like
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: the metric of the Bechdel tests that like we didn't
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: need to know the character's name, because I don't think
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: we learned her assistance name, but like they do have
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: an interaction where the assistant is like, this just came
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: for you, and then Abigail responds by saying, I hope
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: it's not from stand but if she, I know, she ruined.
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: She like that could have passed, like that small interaction,
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: like by someone else's standards, that maybe could have passed,
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: but like for no reason, She's like, but I have
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: to mention a man's name, like writers would rather invent
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: a fictional male character, like a person that. I mean,
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: they're all fictional, but like a character that it never
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: appears on screen or his referenced again, and that's why
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: it doesn't pass the easy. Becktel tests right, Becktel tests light. Um,
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: But I just I was really fair. I was, and
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: then I paid really close attention to there as the movie,
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: saying if Stan ever comes up, he doesn't and I
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: don't think so no, no, no, good grief. All right, Well, anyway,
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: so they're in Philadelphia now, and then finds a pair
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: of old timey three D glasses that Benjamin Franklin invented,
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: and he looks through them and sees a clue on
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: the back of the Declaration of Independence about a wall
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: here at the wall, but they don't know what that
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: means yet, and Sean Bean and his goons are right there.
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: They're right on their tail, they chase them on foot,
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: and then Sean Bean manages to get his hands on
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: the Declaration of Independence. And then this is when Harvey
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: kitel Catch is up with Ben Gates and arrests him,
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: and you know, because it's the low point of the movie, honey.
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: Then Sean Bean arranges for Ben to meet him. What
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: is Sean Bean's ka I think it's ian Ian arranges
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: for Ben to meet him in New York with the
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: glasses so that he can get the treasure. And they
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: all go to a church on Wall Street, and John
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: Voight is also there now because I guess he's been
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: kidnapped by the bad guys. But when they go to
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: the tomb where they think the treasure is going to be,
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: it's empty. And Ben and his dad are like, oh,
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: well the lantern. That must be another clue. We have
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: to go to Boston. And Sean Bean's like, okay, I'm
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: going to Boston, and but they he he's shipping out
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: to Boston the job kick Murphy's but he traps Ben
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: and his friends and leaves him behind. So while Sean
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: Bean is gone, Ben is like, psych the treasure is here.
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: And then justin byrthe is likes yes, yes, yes, yes, um.
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: And then so they hit some like wall buttons and
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: they reveal a secret door that leads to the treasure room,
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: but oh no, it's also empty. But then they're like, wait,
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: this can't be it. There's gotta be treasure here. And
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: then they find like a thing on the wall and
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: they put the pipe in it and that unlocks the
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: door to the real treasure room, which is enormous and
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: it's full of treasure, and everyone's like, yeay, we did it.
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: And then this is also the I mean, we know
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: the whole time that, like like eighty percent of movies,
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: it's sig very clear to us that ultimately this is
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: a movie about fathers and sons, right yes. John Voyd's like,
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: oh my god, I'm so proud of you. You're so cool, Ben,
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: You're so smart. You did it. Dad's in the audience
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: start tearing up like I wish he had said that
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: to me. Um. And then Ben calls Harvey Kitel, who
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: also turns out to be a freemason. Interesting, right, which
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: you're like, weird reveal. Does that payoff in national treasure
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: to it all? Or is that just kind of a
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: thing that happens sort of because he does. Harvey Kitel
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: is back for the sequel. Baby, everyone is back back.
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: Everyone's back, yep, I mean Bartha for sure, it is back.
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: He's got nothing better to day. He's so do anything.
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: Sean Bean is not back because he gets put in
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: jail spoiler alert, but he gets replaced with Ed Harris.
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: That's a that's a well no, no offense to Bean,
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: but that's an upgrade. I think that, honestly, National Treasure
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: is a of all the jokey ways that we insert
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: Alfred Molina into various cinematic universes. I feel like his
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: absence from the National Treasure extended universe is actually glaring.
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: It is noticeable. This seems like a franchise he would
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: be involved in. I think either as like a professor
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: who helps reveal a clue, or if he goes Molina villain,
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: which we love to see. But I know why. I
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: want to say that Molina was offered Bean's part. But
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: you know, and I know what Alfred Billina was doing
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: in two thousand four. Was he being a duck doc? Yeah,
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: he had a bigger fish to fry that year, honey.
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: But I'm just saying for National Treasure three, it's not
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: too late, and he does this does seem to me
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: like a franchise that he would get offers within he
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: thrive right, well, because he's in Raiders of the Lost Ark.
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah right, this is his vibe, like he if he's
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: not in National Treasure three, something is seriously wrong unless he's,
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: of course starring in the respute and movie that I
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: will be writing and directing. Incredible. Okay, So so Ben
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: calls Harvey Kitel. He turns out to be a freemason,
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: and Ben is like, don't put me in jail. Also,
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: this treasure should be donated to museums all over the world.
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: Give it back to the people. Also, send Sean Bean
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: to prison instead of me. And then Harvey Kitel is like,
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: cool beans, you got it, dude. That's he's literally what
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: he says. He's like, cool freaking beans. Then we cut
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: to um Ben and Abigail. They are together, they're holding hands,
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: they're kissing. They've negotiated that Ben and Riley each get
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: a small percentage of the treasure. I think they split
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: one percent, but that was enough to allow Ben to
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: buy an enormous state. Riley has bought a very nice car.
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: He thinks they should have gotten more of the treasure well.
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: And also Riley only got credited as an assistant, which
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: doesn't necessarily seem fair. It seems like he was doing
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: half the work. It's better than what Abigail gets, which
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: is no credit at all. Whole I know, well that's true.
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: They're like, just don't fire her. Yeah, And I'm like,
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: are you. I have a whole spiel about that, but um,
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: let's take another quick break and then we'll come right
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: back to discuss. And we're back where do we start?
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: I mean, Abigail is the bulk of the discussion to
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: be had here. Abigail. I mean, it's I feel like,
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: very typical of this franchise, which is like, this is
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: like action for it, but it's still an action movie basically.
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: But in like many action franchises, there is one female
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: character who is vaguely written to seem vaguely empowering but
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: ultimately kind of isn't. And then she never has a
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: woman to talk to. And I feel that that habit
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: trend mistake is held up in National Treasure. Who is it? Yes? Indeed,
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: because and I feel like like down to kind of
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: I almost want to see if you can map out
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: like how this happens, because I feel like this, I mean,
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: shout out if you have any similar people that you
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: can think of in this genre. But the fact that
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: she is at first presented to us as hypercompetent and
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: in a place of authority, but that's the only scene
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: where that is everything. So it's almost like this like
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: whatever trick that writers will kind of play on you
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: where they're like, oh, she is really good at her job,
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: she's really empowered, has a expertise that is needed for
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: this mission, but you're never gonna see her in a
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: leadership role again, She's never gonna impact the plot in
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: a meaningful way, and the next time you see her,
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: she's going to be damseled. So I feel like this
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: does happen, I mean, does that happen in the Indiana
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: Jones franchise as well? Definitely, especially in the like the
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: first in the third one. The female characters in those
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: are presented as being like there's kind of a reason
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: that they end up being the woman in the story
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: because for the first one, Raids of the Lost Dark,
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: Marian Ravenwood has the medallion that he needs, so like,
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: that's why he approaches her, and then that's like they
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: get partnered up from there. In Last Crusade, Dr Schneider,
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: she's like a professor of antiquities or some kind of
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: some expert in the field of antiquities, and she links
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: up with Indiana Jones because she is also looking for
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: the Holy Grail. In the second movie, like the one
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: female character in that movie just gets like dragged along
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: by accident. It's frustrating. I think it is kind of
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: like almost a little magic trick that writers will do
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: to ward off the feminists, to be like, no, we
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: do know what her job is, which is good but
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: bare minimum ship, and like, yeah, she is good at
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: a job which is good, but it's bare minimum ship.
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: And then she's relegated to the sexy sidekick role who
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: hangs out with the squirrel right exactly because so she's
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: the only major female character in the story, which is
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: very typical of this genre. She is only important to
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: the story because she gets dragged along, not because like
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: she made any real active choice to be a part
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: of the story. She gets like literally dragged into the
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: scenario which she acknowledges in the movie. Um in that
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: line where you know John Voyde like, oh, did Marston
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: drag you guys into this? And she's like yes, literally, um,
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: but like that's not good enough. Really, that doesn't excuse
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: that being the reason that she's there. Um. And then
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: like you said, like she's she we know her job is,
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: she's good at her job. She has this expertise in
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: historical documents and US history, I guess, and that is
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: occasionally shown, but but it's never information that Nicholas Cage
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: doesn't already know. Yeah, Like they literally recite information in
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: unison at multiple points, right, Because so that I found
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: that really frustrating on the rewatch because I'm like, oh,
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: she does know stuff, but then as you keep watching,
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: You're like, but it's nothing he doesn't know already, and
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: so it's another empty gesture. So she does nothing to
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: ever propel the story forward. And the one time I
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: was like, oh, she kind of does something that he
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: doesn't or can't do, it's when she puts the lemon
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: juice on the back of the Declaration of Independence, because
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: she's like, he was about to do he would have
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: been able to do. He just like might have done
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: it a little more haphazardly than her. But like and
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: John Voyd is the one to know, is the one
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: who knows how invisible ink works, and he's like, you
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: have to apply heat and then they do that sexy, breathing,
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: flirtatious creepy thing they go, and then you're like, oh,
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: my god, grows, what does Nicholas Cage just breath smell like?
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: My imagine? I mean, Diane Krueger, please report from the trenches,
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: like what does Nicholas Cage just breath smell like? Um? Yeah,
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: So that ended up being an empty gesture too, because
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: it's like he it's presented like he lets her do it.
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: She literally just swabs lemon juice onto it and then
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: doesn't know to breathe on it. So yeah, and I
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: mean the only time that she impacts the story, I mean,
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: they're all easily written out, because it's like you could
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: write out her being kidnapped by Sean Bean and then
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: un kidnapped by Sean Bean and not would really change.
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: She is the one. I mean, I guess it's like
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: her mistake or her like panicked during the chase that
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: loses them the declaration, So something's her fault and then right,
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: but that's like her being that's a passive saying on
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: her exactly like she trips, which is like that has
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: nothing to be with her, and then the payoff we
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: get for that is Nick Cage later says it wasn't
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: her fault and then she surprised kisses her after Okay, yes,
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: So I kind of want to go through just sort
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: of like beat by beat, every story point that she
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: is involved in in what exactly happens, starting with the
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: way she's introduced, which is another case of like the
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: person you thought was gonna be a man is actually
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: a woman. Because what happens here is Ben and Riley
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: are waiting outside of doctor Chase's office. They don't know
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: who Dr Chase is or what gender doctor Chases, but
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: they assume that doctor Chase is a man. Right. The
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: assistant comes out and says, doctor Chase will see you now,
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: and this is in the middle of Riley making a
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: comment about, you know, being kept down by the man.
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: The door to the office opens, revealing that Dr Chase
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: is a woman, and then Riley is like a very
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: cute man because he's like kept down by the man,
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: a very cute man, and they're like, okay, squirrel has enough, alright,
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: So next thing that happens is where at the night
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: of the Gala, when Ben is trying to steal the
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: Declaration of Independence, He's like handing her a glass so
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: that he's able to get her fingerprints later. And then
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: Riley is like on the little like earpiece on his
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: like calm link or whatever. Riley is a hacker. He's
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: got the whole set up. He's in a separate truck
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: or something. Yes, And so you know, Ben is talking
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: to Abigail and Riley is like, who's that? Is that?
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: That hot girl? How does she look? And we're just like,
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: You're like, can you relax, squirrel, like please. He also
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: later says that means declaration lady is behind you, and
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: it's like, why do you think she's mean? Like she
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: was just doing her job by not letting you look
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: at the Declaration of Independence. That whole scene of them
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: like like pain pong nagging her and calling her annoying
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: and telling her to shut up, Like I have some
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: of them written down because it's say so agregious, because
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: it's like we know as human beings that she was
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: just kidnapped by Sean Bean flung out of a truck.
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: And then kidnapped by Nicholas Cage and she has to
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: protect the Declaration of Independence. She's having a horrible day,
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: and so she's allowed to say anything she wants. But
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: it's like Nick Cage the second she gets into the
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: truck immediately begins nagging her. Um. He says, she really
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: can't shut her mouth, can she? And then later he
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: once they're parked, he lets her hold the Declaration of Independence.
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: He is like, you can hold this if you promise
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: to shut up. Yes, there's so, I have them all
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: written down. At first, he says, can you please stop shouting?
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: She's yelling give me that. Referring to the Declaration of Independence,
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: He says, you're still shouting and it's really starting to annoy.
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: You would do well to be a bit more civilized
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: in this instance. He also says when he says to
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: annoy and not annoy me, that is low key and
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: iconic Nick Cage moment where it's like and it's starting
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: to annoy. You're like what, You're like, where did you
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: learn to be a person? Okay? Yeah, who taught you?
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah? And then you're like, wait, he's an appetism
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: who knows right? Right? Right? Um? Then she is continuing
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: again understandably to like she's freaking out, she's yelling, she
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: swears in German, and then he says your shower again,
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: and Riley's like pretty sure she's swearing too, yeah, oh yeah.
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: And Riley is also loving it. No one stands up
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: for her. Riley is like te hee he nick Cage's
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: epic like, I loved him, I love him, I wanted
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: him to be my best friend forever um. And then
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: later when Ben is telling her about the silence two
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: good letters, he keeps saying, you know, quiet, please, now shush.
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: She really can't keep her mouth shut, can't she Yeah,
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: I'll let you hold onto this if you promise to
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: shut up please. She's like reacting appropriately and he just
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: nonstops says shut up a hundred times. He's so and
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: and then and then he mentions it as a pro
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: later when she's like fake working with Sean Bean, and
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: he's like, she never shuts up. But by then he's like,
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: means it in a way that he's like, I love
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: my girlfriend who never shuts the funk up, Like he
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: says it in a different contexts. It's equally insulting and
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: also patently untrue, Like she's never like it's she's not
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: a blabber mouth, she's not given enough lines to be considered.
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: She's just like upset that she's just been kidnapped twice
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: in a row by people who are actively trying to
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: steal the deck, like she's responding appropriately, and then they're
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: just like, Wow, this shrill woman will not shut the
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: funk up about being kidnapped and me stealing the Declaration
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: of Independence? What a bit she She's presented as a
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: bitchy obstacle at first, she oh, she's fully presented as
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: a bitchy obstacle, but then she becomes a complacent sidekick
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: and then the love interest and then the love Yeah,
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: so like it's it's bad. There's that weird line. We've
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: already referenced that when she Ben and Riley go to
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: John Voyd's house. John Voyd answers the door and it's like,
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: what are you doing here in the middle of the night?
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: Is she pregnant? I'm like, you don't even know who
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: this person is, Like what are you talking to? That
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: conclusion he he like pull vaults, so that weird conclusion
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: and nick cage instead of saying, what are you talking
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: about Nick Cage is like, well, if she is, do
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: you want to let the woman carrying your future grandchild
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: stand outside in the cold? And you're like, what is
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: this family? This family is so fucked up they make
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: no sense. And then he has pizza for four in
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: back like he's just like so weird. And then yeah,
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: he just lets his dad think that he's had sex
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: with this poor woman who he's been screaming at all
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: night to shut up. And and then instead of having
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: her character reply logically, they write in the line do
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: I look pregnant? And then you're like, come on, you're
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: gonna make fun of this German supermodel's body, like what what?
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: What about the rest of us? Like it's uh? And
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: then from that scene on she is love interest sidekick,
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: and that is how she is portrayed. We don't really
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: ever learn anymore about her character except that she said
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: I love you to more than one person, right, which
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: is a cute little fact. They learned that at the
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: Urban Outfitters that they fall in love. Maybe one of
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: them was that stand guy, and maybe it was I'm
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: also like, maybe she and Stan were trying to work
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: sh it out, and Ben swoops in Benjamin Franklin, Benjamin Franklin, Mr. Steel,
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: your girl gains swoops in some other stuff that happens
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: to her. She needs to be saved again. When the
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: bad guys are chasing after them, the Declaration of Independence
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: gets flung out of her hand onto the street. She
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: runs after it and Almots gets hit by a truck,
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: and then Riley has to grab her and get her
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: out of the way. And then a short time later
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: when they're in the tomb in the church, they're like
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: all filing in their kind of being held hostage by
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: Sean Bean and the other bad guys. And there's this
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: moment where like Abigail walks in front of ben and
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: he grabs her and says come here, pulls her toward him,
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: and then surprise kisses her. It's so like that bothers
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: me on a number of levels, the first obviously being
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: it's an agregious surprise kiss. The second being that I
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: strongly suspect that that was like a studio note because
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: it is connected to nothing else going on. It's almost
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: like the screenwriters were told we need them to kiss
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: before this part, because other than that it's prompted about.
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: He just grabs her, and he's like, oh, right, that
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: we forgot. Jerry Bruckheimer wants us to kiss, and then
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: they kiss, and then it's and then it's you don't
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: find out, and then that's it. That's also, yeah, that's
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: that's the kiss of the movie. That's it's the most
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: wedged in surprise kiss of any kind, surprise or not,
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: most wedged in kiss I've ever seen in a movie.
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: It's just like, and I mean, God love Diane Krueger,
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: like the most passionless kiss you'll ever see in your life.
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: She does not I think that. She's like, I cannot
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: believe I have to do this. At what cost? Will
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: I be a star? Like they have no chemistry even
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: a little bit. Nope, nope, nope, you hate to see it?
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: Um okay. So then after this kiss, they are in
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: the tomb. The stairs are starting to crumble under them.
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: As they're like making their way down into the treasure room.
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: There is a moment where ben Gates like slips and
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: falls and he's like hanging by something and she's like, here,
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: give me your hand, so she kind of saves him,
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: but that is immediately undone by a moment later she
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: falls and then he has to grab her and pull
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: her up and save her. So she has to be
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: saved three different times in this movie by either where
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: he drops her. Oh right, he drops her on that
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: like platform. He's like, do you trust me? And it's like,
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: what is this? Aladdin? Right? I felt the same way,
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: But then it's not really like that because he drops
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: her presumably to her death. She she makes a hard
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: fall on would that there is no way on earth
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: Nicholas Cage could be sure would save her. It was
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: Ricketty down there. So by a miracle of screenwriting, she survives.
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: And then afterwards he does I mean, Nick Cage does
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: apologize to her several times in the movie and he's like, sorry,
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: I dropped you. I had to save the Declaration of Independence,
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: and instead of first of all, incredible line and incredible delivery,
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: but then instead of her responding logically, she's like horny
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: by the actually he dropped her to her death, and
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: she's like, it's fine, I would have done exactly the
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: same thing if if it were me. And then he's
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: like really, And then that's and you're like, what the
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: funk is going on? That reminds me of the moment
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: I think they're in Philly still, and they're deciding to
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: split up because like Sean Bean and his like cronies
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 1: are looking for them. They're being British and they're being
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: Brity because they have to keep the treasure away from
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: the British because it's three hundred years ago and we
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: still care about that for some reason anyway. So um,
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: Ben is like, all right, I'll take the glasses and
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: like the container and I'll go this way, and Abigail
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: has the actual declaration and Ben says, take care of her. Now.
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: Riley thinks that Ben is talking to him about Abigail.
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: Abigail thinks Ben is talking to her about the Declaration
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 1: of Independence. So they both say. Both Riley and Abigail
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: say I will, but we don't know which one Ben means, Like,
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: was he talking to Riley about Abigail? I feel like
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: I want to probably, I want to give him the
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: benefit of the doubt and feel like these freaky, freaky
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: freemasons refer to documents with she her pronouns like they
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: do with fucking boats and buildings. I feel like he
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: is like the Declaration of Independence identifies she her, which,
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: first of all, don't tell the Declaration of Independence. How
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: they identify, right, we don't know. We don't know. Don't
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: gender a piece of paper that a bunch of men touched,
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: I know, grubby hands on dirty. So that's a very
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: brilliant critique we both had. Anyway, the point is she, yeah,
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: she has to be saved many times, constantly damns old
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: and then foisted into the like okay, now she's with
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: Nicholas Kate, like they're together and you're just like god.
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: And at the end they move into this huge stone
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: house or whatever. And also the math does not like okay,
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 1: I didn't do the math, but they estimate that the
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: treasure is worth ten billion dollars and then Riley gets
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: one half of one percent, which would be millions of dollars,
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: but he only gets a car. I know, I don't
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: get it. I don't also, but I totally agree with
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: you that like Riley is not credited properly, but more pressingly,
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: Abigail is not credited period. Oh, she simply doesn't lose
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 1: her current job. I was furious, and like, she's not unhappy,
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 1: but she's just like he's like, okay, well, here's my
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 1: terms and conditions. Harvey Kotel Carvey gets spinning his weird
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 1: ring like bro yeah. Ben is like, okay, I want
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: the credit for the fun to go to the entire
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: Gates family with the help of Riley Pool, but like
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 1: Abigail was there the whole time helping them, doesn't get
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: credited at all. All he says is like, um, no
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 1: criminal activity should go on her record. By the way, Like,
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 1: I cannot believe he does not credit her for helping
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: him find the treasure anything. It's It's bad, It's really bad.
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 1: I was like, are you fucking kidding me right now?
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 1: Bending Franklin Gates. I know bf he's also, oh I
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 1: wrote this down, brilliant critique coming in ready, he's the
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: BFG big. He's literally except he's Benjamin Franklin Gates, which
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 1: is worse. Um, which is worse. Okay, So the movie
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 1: is exhausting. I love it. It is better than I
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: thought it would be. I do enjoy it. I love
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 1: I mean it is a romp and a half. I
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 1: mean talk about a round half the things. I feel like,
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 1: as with most romps, most of the things that do
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: happen don't necessarily make sense. But it's such a good
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 1: romp that you don't even care. It doesn't matter. Just good,
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. I think maybe two other women have
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 1: very short, short moments on screen. Oh okay, so I had.
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 1: There's a woman who is Abigails like assistant or receptionist
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: or whatever. There's a woman in the market in Philly
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: where Abigail, which I think is an interesting scene maybe
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: worth talking about, where Abigail is running from Sean Bean's
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: cronies and she hides behind this counter and this woman says,
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 1: if you're not a steak, you don't belong here, and
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 1: Abigail's like, I'm trying to hide from my ex husband.
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 1: The woman responded, yeah, She's like, honey, you can stay
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: here as long as you like. And I was like, okay,
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 1: that's a really nice moment of like, well, woman helping
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 1: another woman in a moment of need. But those those
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 1: are the only two women I noticed. Was there another one?
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 1: There was an FBI woman as well, who says silence,
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 1: do good allowed? Right, Harvey Kitel has a female employee
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 1: that speaks several times and has seen several times, but
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 1: we never know what her name is or anything like that.
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: I take issue with that whole deli scene in general.
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 1: Because it's like, I feel like there is like very
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 1: much a racial trope going on there as well. The
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 1: two women of color we see are like service workers
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 1: there for a punch line which almost feels like it's
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 1: pulled from the Michael Bay playbook, which Hello Bruckheimer, it's
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 1: a Bruckheimer play as well, where they're just kind of
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 1: there to like provide the white lead with like a
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 1: funny moment. And on top of that, the that's kind
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 1: of being made is like, oh, she's running from her
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 1: abusive ex husband ha ha. Like yeah, so that I
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 1: mean that that was just like stinky for me through
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 1: and through. I guess it didn't occur to me that
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 1: they were playing it as a joke, but I can
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: see that now. So that is not great because all
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 1: the woman says is like who I wouldn't want to
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 1: be married to him either, And you're like, that's not funny. Yeah,
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: they do. Couldn't end that on like that little comedic
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 1: button if you will. Yeah, I mean, if this weren't
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 1: a romp, you would help that another woman would be like,
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: can I help you? Instead of offering you a piece
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: of raw meat and being like yeake, he seems mean. Um,
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 1: but this movie just isn't well written, so and they're
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 1: only talking about men, and we never find out what
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: her name is Sawyer. Whoopsies. But before we we dive
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: further into the Bechtel test discussion, just a few fun things.
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 1: So Nicholas Cage is trying to find the password to
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 1: open the door in like the archive building or whatever
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 1: wherever they are where the Declaration of Independence is where
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 1: they're like trying to steal it from Justin. Bartha is
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 1: listing off several anagram possibilities that like the letters could
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 1: form based on like the fingerprints, the letters that like
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 1: the fingerprints have touched. Um. So, just a good time
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 1: or something. But this is a perfect time, speaking of anagrams,
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 1: to remind everyone that Caitlyn darante anagrams to such things
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 1: as Latin dancer U T I, Lauren D Titanic. And
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 1: speaking of Titanic, did you notice Jamie that in the
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 1: beginning when they are going down into the Charlotte after
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 1: they've like uncovered it in the ice and it's like
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 1: bluish and they're like walking food, did not remind you
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: of the beginning of Titanic with like Bill Paxton, Oh
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 1: I had it written down. I was okay, wait, what
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 1: did I write down? I had a cute little note. Okay,
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 1: here's my note. Kind of like the beginning of Titanic,
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 1: a big treasure is found, but then the treasure isn't
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 1: what it seems. But what if this movie, like what
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 1: if Titanic went like that, like instead of like starting
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 1: to talk to Rose, the whole movie was just about
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 1: like it was like national treasure, but it was about
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 1: the Titanic, and it's just Bill Paxton being like, I'm
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 1: going to steal the Titanic. Oh my god, amazing. There's
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 1: a message on Titanic. And if you squeeze a lemon
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 1: on the Titanic, there's an app especially because Bill Paxton
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 1: is another actor like Nicholas Cage, who when he acts
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 1: and when he when he's like doing line reads like
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 1: they are absurd of the time, like he would have
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 1: turned in a similar performance, so that would have been perfect. Also,
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 1: just like visually it looked so much like that seen
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 1: in Titanic when they're like going through with like the
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 1: Snoop Dogg vision um little submarine with the camera and
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 1: stuff and like going through in and out of the ship,
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 1: and I was like, oh my god, this looks exactly
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 1: like Titanic when they're going through the Charlotte. Anyway, right,
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 1: so back to the anagrams. Um, we've got Lauren D Titanic,
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 1: we've got nine tip Dracula, we've got Tan Clarinet, I
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 1: U D, We've got here's a new one. I just
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 1: tweeted this the other day, Rude Italian kunt. But what
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 1: that one is? Why? But cunt spelled with the U instead.
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 1: It's like a little asterix because I don't have two
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 1: use in my name, and you was taken up with rude,
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 1: so it's like see asterix and T. I'll allow it,
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 1: thank you so much, thank you. So that Yeah, those
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 1: are some just important anagrams to be aware of in
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 1: case my name is ever a clue for something and
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 1: you need to like antagram it um. It is a
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 1: big national treasure energy to include anagrams, I know, right,
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 1: I had a really quick context corner on um. Freemasons. Yes,
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 1: just because this movie, I mean, this movie also doesn't
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 1: seem to know anything about the Freemasons, so I didn't
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 1: I didn't like tire myself doing research for this, honestly,
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 1: but just I mean famously Freemasons do not allow women
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 1: in the group. It is like this mysterious group that
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure it's just like uncle's talking to each
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 1: other about fucking nothing. Um my uncle's a Freemason, and
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 1: I'm like, they're like, I I don't know, I've never
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 1: I've asked him, and he's like, I can't tell you.
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 1: And then You're like, all right, whatever. Like but I'm
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 1: pretty sure it's just uncle's talking about whatever. But it's
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 1: supposed to be this big secretive thing. It's existed for
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 1: as long as um this iteration of America, which is
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 1: going really well, I think anyways, Freemasonry, and but I
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 1: thought that from the beginning women weren't allowed and that
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 1: was not the case. Um, there is a whole uh
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 1: like a sub website devoted to women's history and Freemasons.
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 1: So they were not a lot like they weren't encouraged
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 1: to join. But there were some like multi gender branches
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 1: of the Freemasons towards the beginning. And then it wasn't
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 1: until the late eighteen hundreds that it was a hard
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 1: rule that women could not participate. Um, but there was
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 1: a whole system for women entering. They could they qualified
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 1: to be a prentee or female apprentices. So you could
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 1: be a female apprentice, a journey woman, a mistress, or
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 1: a perfect MASONUS. And I don't know what any of
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 1: these mean, but these were the four roles that women
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 1: could have until the late eighteen hundreds when they were like,
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 1: actually get them out. But there's a there's a whole
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 1: there's like even a few famous female Freemasons, but hasn't
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 1: been one in a hundred thirty years because men be
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 1: excluding people. It's true. There was also a question conflict
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 1: that came up in twenty eighteen about um, transgender women
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 1: and freemasonry in England. It was this whole big thing. Um.
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 1: So here is a quote that the United Grant Lodge
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 1: of England released and I don't love the wording of this,
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 1: but this is how they phrased it. Says, quote, a
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 1: freemason who after initiation ceases to be a man does
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 1: not cease to be a freemason. So you see what
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 1: they're saying, But the wording of it is I don't
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 1: like it, right, Yeah, there's some like misunderstanding it was uh,
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 1: but that was the conclusion that they came to. So
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 1: trans women can be Freemasons if they were Freemasons pre transition,
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 1: very calm, like, how many could people? I mean, I
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 1: don't know how many people this supplies to, but I
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 1: think the French Freemason is like the group that low
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 1: key lets women in but in America definitely still know England,
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 1: they had all the the all the questions around, um,
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 1: trans people in Freemasons, and that's all I care to
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 1: know about. It's a stupid club. Um, but I wonder
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 1: if there any Bechdel Cast listeners who are Freemasons. It's
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 1: so what the fuck? And uh, let us know? Yeah indeed? Um,
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 1: So basically, are we to understand that the Gates family
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 1: are all like Ben Gates and his many ancestors are
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 1: all Freemasons or they just I think so trying to
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 1: find the treasure. Okay, but that also makes you wonder
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 1: like why aren't they involving the Freemasons. I don't know, right,
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 1: He's just like, well, I've got one sidekick who may
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 1: or may not be a squirrel, so like that's all
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 1: I need. And then this woman that I've kidnapped who
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 1: then becomes my girl friend nice, which even like Riley
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 1: Pool comments on at the end, He's like, well, you know,
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 1: you've got this huge house and you got the girl,
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 1: and all I got was this Ferrari or whatever the car.
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 1: It would have been way cooler if a squirrel was
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 1: driving the car. Mistakes were made. It's like when those
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 1: when those hamsters drive the Kia's. Oh my god, what
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 1: a weird reference shape there. I already think about those
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 1: hamsters a lot. Oh, we have fun. The the team
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 1: on this movie directed by this will surprise no one
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  Speaker 1: but um directed by a man, John turtle Tub. We've
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  Speaker 1: got um several writers and story by credits, but all
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  Speaker 1: of them are men except for m Marian Wibberly, So
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  Speaker 1: we're not surprised that the treatment of women is what
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  Speaker 1: it is in this movie. I I would be like, Marian,
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  Speaker 1: come on the podcast. Were you trying to advocate more
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  Speaker 1: for Abigail to be, you know, a stronger, more active character.
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  Speaker 1: Were you shut down? What happened there? I'd like, because well,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, for sure, I mean female writers are shut
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  Speaker 1: down almost exclusively. But it would be interesting to hear
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  Speaker 1: like the ins and outs of like what was okay
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  Speaker 1: to pitch, what wasn't? What went over? Well? What did
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  Speaker 1: I mean I'm sure. I'm sure Marian's got stories come
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  Speaker 1: on the pod anytime. Open invite Galen. Yes, does this
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  Speaker 1: movie fast, but I don't know. I'm gonna say a big,
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  Speaker 1: hard no from me as well. There are those couple
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  Speaker 1: interactions that she does have with another woman, but those
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  Speaker 1: are characters who are not named. They only have an
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  Speaker 1: exchange that is very minimal and could have been taken
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  Speaker 1: out of the movie. Like, there was no attempt to
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  Speaker 1: meaningfully include women in this story at all, and that
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  Speaker 1: includes Abigail's character because, as we discussed, she does really
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  Speaker 1: nothing except for get dragged along and um contribute none
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  Speaker 1: of her expertise or anything like that. Yeehaw. As far
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  Speaker 1: as our nipple scale rating zero to five nipples based
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  Speaker 1: on its representation of women, I mean, I'll give it
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  Speaker 1: a half nipple for you know, again, this happens a
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  Speaker 1: lot too, especially in this genre of film, where the
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  Speaker 1: one female character who they do choose to include at
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  Speaker 1: all is not a bad character, Like when you just
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  Speaker 1: isolate her and you know, examine her as an individual.
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  Speaker 1: You know, they often are perfectly competent and smart and
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  Speaker 1: you know, we know what their jobs are. They're good
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  Speaker 1: at their jobs. Things like that, but her role in
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  Speaker 1: the story is so minimal in terms of what she's
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  Speaker 1: allowed to contribute narratively. And then also, um, the things
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 1: that happened to her, like having to be saved three times,
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  Speaker 1: being surprised, kissed, being foisted into the love interest role,
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  Speaker 1: all those things really are extremely frustrating. Kind of every
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  Speaker 1: every mistake in the book, and by a mistake, I
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  Speaker 1: mean it was done very on purpose. But like every
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  Speaker 1: action trope in the book, as it pertains to women,
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  Speaker 1: is made in national treasure. And I have a feeling
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  Speaker 1: that because it's like a children family like, it's s
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  Speaker 1: geared toward a wider audience. It's like a PG rated film. Um.
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  Speaker 1: I think that that's probably why we don't get more
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 1: were like fridging and violence toward her. But I think
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  Speaker 1: if it were like a PG thirteen or an R
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  Speaker 1: rated movie, we would have seen like violence enacted against
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 1: her and things like that. But because it's so I
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  Speaker 1: guess you know, it's a Disney movie, so we can't
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  Speaker 1: we can't hit her, but we can just not write her. Um. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I'll agree with you. I'll go at half nipple as well.
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  Speaker 1: Who are you giving your nippy too. Um Well, you
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 1: presented um an interesting scenario of Justin Barthur being a squirrel.
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  Speaker 1: I wonder how many nipples squirrels have. But I'm going
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 1: to give my half nipple to the squirrel version of
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 1: Riley Pool. I'll do the same wonderful nipple for the squirrel. Yay,
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 1: and and and there you have a gang. The first
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 1: quarantined episode of the Backsel Cast. I feel good about it.
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 1: I had fun, I had a blast what a tree
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  Speaker 1: And I think, Jamie, I don't know about you, but
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 1: I found some treasure in this episode. I think this
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 1: episode is a treasure and we had to uncover it.
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 1: See I I feel like, you know, because we're gonna
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 1: keep doing it. For me, it's just another clue, and
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 1: that's going to lead to another clue. And that's kind
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 1: of hed another clue. These clues being episodes, other episodes
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 1: where constituting. I'm going to start referring to episodes as clues.
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  Speaker 1: So on this clue, we're going to be covering Moonstruck.
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  Speaker 1: What if we should cover the movie clue? I love
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 1: the movie clue. Oh, that would be such a fun
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 1: Quarantine episode two? What other one were we thinking about doing?
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 1: We were thinking about doing um Crossroads cross resovie. I mean,
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 1: there's some heavy ship and crossroads, but it would still
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 1: be a fun one. I've never seen it. A bunch
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 1: of people were tweeting that we should do Armageddon right now,
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 1: you know, something to think about. Sure, you know what
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to say now, we'll see you, We'll
• 1:25:02
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• 1:25:52
  Speaker 1: with that, well this clue, like you said, Jamie, it's
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 1: not over the search for the Bechtel Treasure. Treasure, it's
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 1: speculated the cartoonist Alison Bechdel has a hidden treasure and
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 1: her books, and you have to get all of her
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 1: books and read them. Or what if we've been laying
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 1: out clues in every episode. What if every time I say,
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 1: like cat facts with Caitlin, or every time you say,
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 1: here's what role Alfred Molina should have played? What a
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 1: de cipher? That was a cipher this whole time, You'll
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 1: have to figure it out, listeners. Yeah, just just keep
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 1: finding those clues that we've been sprinkling into the episodes
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  Speaker 1: by