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Ep. 11 DIY Custom Bumpers & Rock Sliders on Jeep Cherokee XJ - Rene Guignard Interview Part 2 · Jeep Talk Show

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I catch you at the top show
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It's on
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Now
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Now
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Now
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[music]
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Well many of you are sorely
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aware of the power outage today
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Yes, unfortunately in Houston, Texas
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we're not used to having
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anything in the 20 degree range
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And apparently they didn't, they being
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the power company,
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didn't put enough power
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Building enough power into the system to
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be able to handle
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everybody's heater being on
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Now my heater is gas powered so I don't
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know, I'm doing my part
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I think we had about four hours total
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power outage here today
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at the XJTalk.com studios
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And I used that term loosely
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Well I guess first off I should say, my
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name's Tony, Nutteroy on XJTalk.com
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And tonight will be our second half of
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the Reenie Arganard interview
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Did I say enter? interview
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I want to thank everybody for showing up
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to the show an hour late
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Not you but me, I'm an hour late, but I
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had a good excuse that I
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mentioned we were without power
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If I had a bleep button I
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would have used the word
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Jim's favorite word
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We'll get started here in just a minute
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I don't know if Reenie's going to be able
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to make it with us tonight because he
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gets up at the crack of 3am every day
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We'll get it started
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here in just a second
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It's where you go
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when you're not off-road
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Do you have questions or comments that
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That number again is 530-675-4102
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We look forward to hearing from you today
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Hey, I just wanted to
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tell you about XJTalk.com
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It's a great site, there's no bashing,
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everybody's nice and friendly
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Great place to be
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Well that's only partially true
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We do have bashing on bashing night
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But everybody enjoys it
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XJTalk.com
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It's where you go
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when you're not off-road
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Okay guys, it's not going to be the
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normal polished show
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that you're so accustomed to
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Since I normally have about 2 hours to
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get things together and going prior to
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the actual broadcast
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So it's just going to
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be what you get tonight
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But I think it's alright, I've been doing
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it long enough where I think
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I've got it down fairly well
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[Growl]
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I agree
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So what's up with you guys?
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I see we've got a whopping
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3 people in the chat room
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It says number of viewers is 2
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And I still haven't
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looked up what that 14 means
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Oh and I need to
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change this to part 2 of 2
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"Rene interview"
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Yeah, see these little things like this
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should have been
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taken care of by the staff
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So you guys are very
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silent in the chat room
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Is it stunned silence?
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Let's see, Weldman, Stefan, Punisher
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And that's it
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And Rene hasn't responded yet
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I wonder if he's already in bed
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Yeah, that's what he says
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I asked him if he was in
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and he says nope, go into bed
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Well good, we're
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going to be talking to him
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So there will be no Q&A tonight
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Of Mr. Rene
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Let me, let's see
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I've got a tan today
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Punisher says "Everybody
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else has power problems too"
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Weldman says "Me too,
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I was welding though"
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I guess that was because
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that was your power problem
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Stefan says "Wow, you
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pronounced my name very correctly"
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StefanB74
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Oh and I just got
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notification from site Uptime
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Which is an internet service
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Telling me that the
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xjtalk.com website is back up
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Good to know
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Okay, I'll join you guys here in the chat
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room in just a second
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Let's get this interview part 2 of Rene
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Arganard from xjtalk.com
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His interview
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And here we are back with part 2 of the
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interview with Rene
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Arganard from xjtalk.com
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And my name is Tony Mutteroy on xjtalk
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Rene, thanks for sticking
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around for this second half
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Oh, no problem. I enjoy it
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So what I was thinking, we left off on
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the last bit of the interview
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Where we were talking about what it is
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that you need to go off road
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Which is basically the Jeep
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Of course we believe
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it's the Jeep Cherokee
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And some recovery points
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And you know, maybe a
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winch if you can swing it
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But I think that some of the things that
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you've added to yours
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Because you know, even
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though you have a lift
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It's not a 4.5 inch, a 6.5 inch lift
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It was a modest lift
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And you've certainly been
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able to go a bunch of places
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Just because of the ability of the Jeep
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And having the rear axle locked
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But you did put some
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recovery points on your vehicle
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By way of custom bumpers
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Yes, I did
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What I actually did
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Like everybody else
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who has a Jeep like ours
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I started out with 3.5 inch lift
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They can now only put 31s on
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it, I'll never go any bigger
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But what was that wrong?
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I wish I would have went 4.5
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In all honesty, I wish I went 4.5
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And went 33s from the get-go
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I didn't do that
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Now I've ended up cutting my
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fenders and putting 33s on it
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But it works for me
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I got to the point where mine
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I got to look at my
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Jeep one day and I said
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I've got to make a
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decision if I'm going to wheel it
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And not care about body damage
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Or if I'm going to start
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maybe not wheeling it so hard
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And try to keep the body
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looking pretty like yours
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And well, as you can tell,
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I gave up on the body work
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Well, I mean, that's a great plan
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But unless you have the
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funds to buy another vehicle
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Or you're just not going to go out and
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have fun with it anymore
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That's really your only choice
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You've got to get another one
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Or decide I'm not
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going to drive it off-road
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And if you're going to drive it off-road,
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you don't wheel it hard
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You drive it like I do
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I take it easy
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Of course, I get into a
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situation where I'm saying
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Damn, I don't want to
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get up that embankment
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And then I do some damage
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But mine is very minor and
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more cosmetic than anything else
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You've certainly, with just the oversized
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tires that you've used
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And when I say oversized tires
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Tires that were really too big for the
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size lift that you had
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You know, you've really done some things
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Some, I don't want to say damage
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But you really pushed some
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fenders in with those tires
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Yeah, I really mutilated my
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Yeah, I pretty much mutilated my front
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fenders by doing what I did
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Oh, and actually, this wasn't the
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direction I was going with this
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But now that I say that, I remember you
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talking about potentially going with some
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customized fiberglass fenders
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Fiberglass, right?
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Yeah, that's what I was actually thinking
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Yeah, those things are pretty
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I was actually looking
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at the pre-runner fenders
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That some of the guys in the pre-runner
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type jeeps, the jeep speed people use
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They have a
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It's cut probably as much, or maybe even
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a little more than mine
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But it's also extended six inches out
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So that way it covers up
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some of these big tires
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And for some of you who have jeeps in
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states that have
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fender flare requirements
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Them fenders might not
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be a bad idea for y'all
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I found them on one online
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site for like $160 for the pair
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Now, of course, it's also $90 to ship
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them to the Continental 48
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But, you know, it's a thought
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And I may still go that way with mine
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I haven't made up my mind for sure
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The only thing I'm a little concerned
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with is fiberglass and
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trees don't get along
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That was going to be my next question
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How are you going to
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address that potential issue?
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Because, I mean, they're actually
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It sounds like they cost about as much as
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some bushwhacker flares
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If you were just to buy two of them
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But, gosh, the bushwhacker you can kind
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of take off and throw on
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the ground and keep going
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You crack that fender, I
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guess, you wind up with duct tape
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Well, I guess that would go
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along with the rest of my jeep
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Actually, you know what? I
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kind of know what I would do
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I've been thinking in the works about
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making me some tube-type flares
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Out of steel, and I'm going to actually
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weld them to my rock
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rails and my front bumper
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And if I decided to go with the
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fiberglass fenders, I would just make
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them a little bigger than
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what I originally thought
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You know, kind of bring them out right to
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the edge of the fender
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That way, if I were to rub something, I'm
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actually rubbing the
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tube instead of the fender
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Yeah, I think that would be a great idea
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I go back, I can't remember who it was,
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but I go back to the guy on the site that
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built some of those tube fenders
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And there was a picture of him standing
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on them with them mounted to the jeep
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And I thought those things really looked
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good and certainly were very strong
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I mean, he wasn't a 250-pound gentleman,
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but certainly in the 150-180 range
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So they were substantial
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Anyway, going back to the bumpers that
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you made that gave you the tow points
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So that you could be pulled out and also
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to have the ability to mount a winch
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Those were all things
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that you built yourself
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Just cut up the metal, envisioned it, cut
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up the metal and weld it together
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And painted it a bright green, which I
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think was just marvelous
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Because that green and the dark color of
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your jeep really sets it off
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It's kind of like, look at me, get the
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hell out of the way, something
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Yeah, it's really funny because my
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bumpers do tend to make people move out
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of your way when
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you're running down the road
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I was noticing that there is a lot of
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nicks and chips and stuff on your paint
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I did not realize how much
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action those bumpers have seen
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And I'm talking about the stinger on the
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front bumper, had a lot of marks on it
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Yeah, I wheeled my jeep pretty hard
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I mean, everybody says that you can't
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wheel them hard down here
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Well, I'll tell you what, I would beg to
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differ with these people and say, you
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know, come for a trail ride with us
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You might be pleasantly surprised what
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you have to drive your jeep through
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But don't be afraid to get dirty because
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you're going to get dirty down here
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Yeah, easily
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I guess we're kind of lucky at Creekside
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that it's more sand than it is mud
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Because I know closer to Galveston and,
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you know, the bay and Gulf of Mexico, you
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get closer to the gumbo
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That stuff, that mud that is, gosh, it
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almost leaps off the ground
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and sticks to you, it's so sticky
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And after watching that video that Scott,
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XJ4IV, put up on the side
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I understand why he doesn't like mud
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Oh yeah, that one where he's like not
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even stuck, but he's just spinning on top
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and he's throwing up
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these big gray cocks of crap
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Yeah, and he was just, he was stuck there
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And then I saw him in the video, he's out
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of the jeep and he's sinking down in it
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I think he was better off in the jeep
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than he was out of it
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Oh, I know
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He said he was actually telling me he
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lost a pair of rubber boots in that mud
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Yeah, it is, it just really, it just
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sucks it, you know, sticks to you and
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sucks things off of you
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And it's just amazing, I mean, that to me
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is what being off-road is
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Because that was whenever I was, you
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know, 22, 24 and I had my first
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four-wheel drive in Baytown
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That's the kind of off-road mudding and
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when I hear people say, you know, mud's
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nothing, you know, you need
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to get rocks for a challenge
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Rocks are more challenging? No, you get
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into gumbo, it's very challenging
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And you know, you get into type of mud
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that that video was taken in, it matters
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none what tires you have
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No, they fill none
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You could have, you know, 3,000
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horsepower in boggers or paddles and
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you're still, still
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not gonna go through it
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You go a little bit, the trick is the
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line and your forward momentum
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Yep
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Yeah, it's a lot of fun and of course the
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sliding around and there's not as much
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risk of flipping in the
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mud as you are in the rocks
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And I understand that's part of the
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appeal because you're doing something
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that not everybody
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feels comfortable doing
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But anyway, so you got some tow points, I
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know that you've used the rear bumper
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because I saw you
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recovered out of a nice mud hole
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Water filled mud hole, that was actually
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the same place that I saw you, I think
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that was the first time
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you had 33s on your Jeep
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And you bent that fender, the back of the
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fender pretty bad trying
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to go through that hole
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But you used, you got winched out that
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day from the rear bumper
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Have you used the front bumper at all? I
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mean as far as somebody pulling you out
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or have you just used it for pulling
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yourself out using your winch?
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Actually both, I have actually used it to
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pull people, you know, used it to get
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pulled out of something
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Only because I went through a big mud
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hole that somebody else had just went
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through and they got winched out
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Well when I got stuck the other guy was
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sitting there already
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with his winch pulled
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So he just hooked up my bumper and pulled
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me out too instead of unraveling my winch
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So yes, I have actually used it as both,
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you know, and run into trees with it
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I've run into, you know, you name it,
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it's been a whole, it's
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been in contact with it
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And so far just as solid as a rock
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Now the, I know that you got a special
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deal on the metal that you
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used to build those bumpers
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But if you had to estimate a cost in both
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dollar amount and time,
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what do you think it would be?
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Ah, dollar amount for the metal probably
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somewhere between 50 and 100 bucks
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In all honesty, time, well being that
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I've built that bumper three times now
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You could probably buy a set of bumpers
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for what I have in my front bumper
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Only because of how
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many times I've rebuilt it
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When I first built it, it was just a
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solid single piece of
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metal across the front
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No contour, no nothing
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Got sick of looking at that, cut it down,
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put a taper on the ends
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Got sick of looking at that, cut it down,
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and put more of a taper in, angled it
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into my, you know, into the
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front end a little bit more
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So yeah, I've been through
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this bumper several times now
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Right, but I mean, when you say you could
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probably get a, buy a bumper
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It's really not a monetary investment
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more than what you were just saying, 50
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to 100 bucks for the materials
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It was just a time investment
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And I would imagine you kind of enjoyed
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that, if not enjoyed doing it, enjoyed
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the outcome of how your
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vision came to life on the Jeep
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Oh yeah, I wouldn't, you know, at this
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point, you know, multiple reasons
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I have a real hard time paying for
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something I know how to do myself
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And I guess that's because, you know,
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everybody who makes bumpers and stuff,
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most of these people
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are very good welders
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And I'm a very good welder, so, you know,
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I mean, I have a hard time paying for
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something that I know
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I can make, you know
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I may not, mine may not be as nice as
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some of the other bumpers out
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there, but I know I can do it
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I could actually make something as nice
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as yours if I had the time
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to actually sit down and do it
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You know, the welding and the grinding, I
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mean, anybody can weld and grind
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And that's one thing for everybody,
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anybody who's thinking about doing that
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theirself, remember,
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grinders are best friends
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Now, with a bumper that you built, I
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mean, I guess in defense of the time that
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you spent on the bumper
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and its artistic value
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That wasn't really your goal with this
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bumper, your goal was for
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something that was functional
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Any kind of artistic or wish to make it
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look better was really the next two or
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three times that you took a run at it
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So, well, I think I'll try
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this and I'll think I'll try this
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But the ultimate goal was recovery points
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and protection and, you
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know, a place to put the winch
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Correct, that is the truth. When I put
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the very first bumper on there, would it
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have worked for
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everything I wanted to do?
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Oh, yeah. You know, I knew I was going to
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put a winch on the Jeep eventually
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So when I built the original bumper, I
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made it exactly where it's at now. It was
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sitting in the same spot
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I've just improved from the bumper mount
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brackets out is the only
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improvements I've made to it
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And they were just
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strictly for make it prettier
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But yeah, I knew what I was going to do.
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I knew I needed recovery points and I
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knew I was going to put a winch on it
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So the very first bumper I
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built was set up to do that
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So if you had to estimate a time that it
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took you to, or not that it took you, but
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that it would take you
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knowing what you know now
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If you just had the metal and you got out
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there and you put this thing together
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How much time do you think it would take
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you to build that bumper,
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you know, for a second time?
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And I understand that it would probably
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go a little faster knowing what you know
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But this would give the listeners an idea
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how much time investment they would have
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to put into building their own bumper
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Honestly for the front bumper, to build
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it exactly what I have now, you could
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probably duplicate it
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And not using big fancy tools. I mean
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most of my bumper was cut up with a
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You know, either a
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Sheesh
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My bumper, almost all the metal in my
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bumper was cut with
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either a sawzall or a grinder
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And welded together
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with a pretty nice welder
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I would say you could probably duplicate
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it in half a day, three quarters of a day
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So certainly a weekend
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Certainly a weekend would be able, you
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could have a bumper for your Jeep
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So
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Easily
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So, you know, $100, $150 worth of metal
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To be, you know,
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overestimate a little bit
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And a weekend, now you've got your own
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custom bumper on your Jeep
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And you have a place to put a winch if
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you choose to get one
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And a place to put
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lights, all kinds of stuff
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So it's something that anybody can do if
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you have access to a welder
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And I would assume that you could even do
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that with a dark welder
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That you could rent
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Oh yes, you could
21:29
I get mine with a MIG welder
21:31
Only because that's what I have access
21:33
to, more than anything
21:35
And for anybody who is thinking about
21:37
doing something like this
21:38
Always remember, if you have a scrapyard
21:40
around, they sell metal as well as buy it
21:42
Well that's interesting
21:43
They did not know that
21:45
They will sell it by the pound, just like
21:47
they do buy it by the pound
21:49
So yeah, if you actually go in there and
21:51
say, hey look, I'm looking for some
21:53
You know, 2x4 square tubing, you know, 6
21:56
foot long, do you have any?
21:58
And they'll tell you yes or no, and
22:00
they'll tell you how much it is
22:01
So don't ever forget that
22:03
that's always a viable option
22:05
Yeah, I guess the hard
22:06
part is knowing where they are
22:08
Well, you know, you live out in Katy, I
22:10
live in Conroe, we're, I don't know
22:12
Pretty good sized town, I guess, what,
22:13
70,000 or 50,000 people
22:16
We got probably 10 or 15
22:18
scrapyards in this town
22:20
I guess that's how you'd
22:21
look it up, would be scrapyard
22:24
Yeah, scrap metal
22:25
Scrap metal
22:27
And the rear bumper, there wasn't a lot
22:30
to that one if I remember correctly
22:32
I mean, you didn't put near the amount of
22:33
time into the rear bumper, did you?
22:35
No, no, not even close
22:37
The rear bumper is literally a couple
22:40
pieces of 2x2 square tubing
22:43
And then a piece of 2x4 square tubing
22:45
with a couple end caps that I made for it
22:47
Originally I was going to go ahead and
22:49
form it into the body, you know, just
22:50
like the body is on the back of it
22:52
The form of the back of it, but my Jeep
22:54
got hit pretty hard in the rear
22:55
And now I'm actually afraid
22:56
to take the rear bumper off
22:58
I'm afraid if I took the bumper off now,
23:00
I wouldn't get it back on
23:01
Because I'm afraid the body would just
23:03
flex enough that the bumper
23:04
just wouldn't fit back on there
23:06
I'm probably wrong in that, but once it
23:08
got hit, I'm good with
23:10
leaving it the way it is
23:11
Yeah, why risk it if you don't have to
23:14
It certainly has proved itself from the
23:17
Toyota passenger
23:19
vehicle that rear-ended you
23:21
That is correct
23:23
So you have the recovery
23:25
points on the rear bumper
23:27
And it's a very simple
23:30
bumper, but it does what's needed
23:33
Would you say that the cost of the metal
23:35
for that would be more or less than what
23:37
you spent on the front bumper?
23:39
Way less
23:40
So 50 would be a good guess?
23:43
Yes
23:45
And I would assume that the time to put
23:49
that together probably would
23:50
be in the couple hour range
23:53
Yes
23:54
Okay
23:55
So
23:55
I mean, you know, not even, you know, I
23:57
would say a couple hours because one of
23:59
the things I get different
24:00
than everybody else has done
24:02
I didn't mount mine
24:02
back to the stock locations
24:05
It is, but it isn't
24:06
My plates that hold the rear bumper on a
24:09
quarter inch stick and they're bolted in
24:11
the four factory holes
24:12
But I also took the square tubing, the
24:14
2x2 square tubing, and cut out the back
24:16
frame rail and slid the
24:18
tubing in as far as it would go
24:20
Which was all the way
24:21
to the shackle bolts
24:22
And I actually on the bottom side, I've
24:24
drilled a hole up through there and I've
24:26
actually got the bumper
24:27
bolted to the frame as well
24:29
And what I get is I drilled a hole up
24:30
through the metal and threaded it with a
24:32
tap and then just
24:33
screwed the screw in there
24:34
So I've actually got five holes on my
24:36
rear bumper that will hold it
24:38
And I mean, as you say, you know, I took
24:41
a Toyota out with it
24:42
So, you know, it's plenty strong
24:45
Yeah, and of course the bumper that I got
24:48
from E-tours has a
24:50
similar type of attachment
24:51
It's not as in depth as what yours is
24:57
It's just a bracket that
24:58
goes inside that the unibody
25:00
And of course, that's what you need
25:02
You need that connection that runs
25:06
parallel to the unibody
25:08
So that you can get the strength to keep
25:10
the bumper on, if nothing else
25:12
Especially as a tow point, you don't want
25:14
to just hook into the eight bolts that
25:16
hold the bumper to the body
25:18
Because those, that's going to come off
25:21
Right, so you do need
25:22
to tie into the unibody
25:24
And that's those rails that Raney's
25:26
talking about where he actually went
25:28
inside of them and bolted to
25:30
So that's exactly the
25:32
way you need to do it
25:33
And to be honest with you, Tony, on my
25:35
bumper, I was going to
25:36
put a receiver hitch on it
25:37
I didn't end up doing it
25:38
because of it being hit
25:41
But I am now rethinking I'm going to go
25:43
ahead and put a receiver hitch on it
25:44
Because my son now has a dirt bike that
25:46
I'd like to take with me
25:48
And in order to do that, I'm going to
25:49
have to have a receiver on mine
25:50
But I would trust
25:52
putting a receiver on mine
25:53
And, you know, I mean, our jeepers, you
25:55
know, they say they
25:56
can carry 5,000 pounds
25:58
I don't know about you, but I don't
25:59
really want to haul around 5,000 pounds
26:00
behind the back of my jeep
26:02
My jeep will probably tow
26:03
it, it ain't going to stop it
26:05
Right, it can barely stop
26:07
itself with the oversized tires
26:10
Right, so, you know, I would trust
26:12
putting a receiver hitch on mine and
26:14
carrying it around a
26:14
little, you know, 5x10 trailer
26:16
And never think twice about it
26:17
Right
26:18
My bumpers plenty strong enough, I know
26:20
my hitch points are, I mean, I know my
26:23
points that I have that's attached to my
26:25
body are plenty strong enough for that
26:27
So, you know, I'm sure, I mean, I would
26:30
haul it and never think twice
26:32
So the only other thing that at least
26:36
comes across my mind that
26:37
you've made is the sliders
26:40
And so the sliders, how
26:44
much of material do you have?
26:45
And for those of you that don't know what
26:47
sliders are, basically what they're
26:49
designed to do is to allow you to slide
26:51
the body of the jeep
26:53
over things that are hard
26:55
It keeps the bottom, the rocker panels
26:58
from being dented, it keeps the bottoms
27:01
of your door, in many
27:02
cases, from being dented
27:05
They're often used in, whenever you're
27:09
doing, I want to say rock climbing
27:11
Whenever you're going over obstacles like
27:14
rocks, because, you know, you may get the
27:16
wheel up and over the rock,
27:17
but the rock is going to come up
27:19
Or, I guess, the jeep is
27:21
going to come down to the rock
27:22
And if there's nothing there to protect
27:24
you between the body, the thin sheet
27:29
metal of the body and the rock, it's
27:31
going to damage your body
27:33
So people put these long metal tubes, and
27:37
they can be tubes, round or square, and I
27:39
think there's other designs
27:41
That basically take the impact of those
27:44
rocks and actually allow you to slide
27:46
your jeep across and those heavy duty
27:48
tubes protect the body of the jeep
27:51
And what Rini did was,
27:53
he built his own sliders
27:54
Now, we don't do rocks here, but I can
27:58
tell you that tree stumps, trees, I mean,
28:03
if you go up and over a tree, depending
28:05
on how hard you come down, you may make
28:08
contact between that log that's on the
28:11
ground and the bottom of your jeep
28:14
So, I would think that the sliders were
28:18
probably about as easy as making that
28:20
rear bumper, since they're just basically
28:25
long square metal tubes that you
28:27
actually, I would think the most
28:28
difficult thing is finding the best way
28:30
to connect them to the body of the jeep
28:32
And you actually have those
28:34
run to the unibody, correct?
28:36
Yeah, yeah, mine are welded on. Mine are
28:38
actually, mine fit flush with this pinch
28:41
seam of the body, and I have it tacked to
28:43
the pinch seam, and then I have some more
28:46
square tubing coming from the unibody to
28:49
my rock rails, and
28:50
they're all welded together
28:52
Mine are permanently there. Mine will
28:53
never be removed from my jeep
28:56
And there's no problem with that, right?
28:58
I mean, unless you were going to, I
29:00
guess, turn it back into a grocery
29:03
getter, and even at that, it doesn't
29:07
hurt, I mean, how much do you think those
29:09
sliders weigh? Maybe
29:11
30 pounds, 50 pounds?
29:13
I don't even think they're 30 pounds a
29:15
piece, I mean, 30 pounds for the pair.
29:16
They're pretty light, pretty light.
29:19
They're not made out of the thickest
29:21
material that I could find. They're just,
29:23
you know, 2x4 square tubing, I don't
29:26
know, probably, I don't
29:29
know, 3.16 thick or so
29:32
The metal form I actually got for free. I
29:34
have zero money in my sliders, but it's
29:37
because of what I do for a living that I
29:39
ended up with a lot of extra metal, and
29:40
I've cut it up and made them for my jeep
29:44
But they were actually, believe it or
29:46
not, probably more
29:47
complicated than my rear bumper
29:48
Oh, really?
29:50
Oh, yeah. The, not making the sliders or
29:53
the cells, but attaching the sliders to
29:55
the body. That was very time consuming. A
29:59
lot of grinding, a lot of making it work,
30:02
because you have to, with the way I have
30:04
my runners run from my
30:07
frame to my rock sliders
30:08
I have it welded on both sides of the pin
30:11
seam, and I had to grind a slot in there
30:13
and make them slide over
30:14
the pin seam just right
30:16
And there was, it probably took me half a
30:19
day or more just to do attaching the
30:22
sliders to the box, to
30:23
the jeep, but it did make it
30:25
And you've also, because of what you've
30:27
gone through and what you've experienced
30:29
after having the sliders on there, you've
30:31
actually found that you should have done
30:33
one extra thing to those sliders, right?
30:37
Yes. They don't stick out far enough. If
30:39
you rub a tree, you're
30:40
still getting your doors
30:41
So not only can you protect the rocker
30:44
and the bottom of your doors from objects
30:46
coming up from the, well, I keep saying
30:49
coming up, they appear to come up because
30:51
you're coming down on them
30:52
Whenever you go up and over an obstacle,
30:54
your jeep can come back down on top of
30:57
that obstacle and damage the rocker panel
31:00
and the bottom of the door
31:01
But also too, you can use a slider if you
31:04
have it out far enough to keep trees and
31:09
rocks and, I guess, pedestrians from
31:12
actually impacting
31:12
the side of your vehicle
31:14
And that's what Dreeny's talking about,
31:15
is that he's got the slider where it
31:18
protects the bottom of the jeep, but it
31:21
doesn't really
31:21
protect the side of the jeep
31:23
And, you know, you can still, you know,
31:26
not all trees are straight,
31:27
trees have limbs, etc, etc
31:30
But certainly, if you're in a situation
31:34
and all of a sudden, you know, you're
31:36
trying to get in between trying to go by
31:39
this tree and the jeep slides, well, you
31:43
could be up against the tree very quickly
31:45
So that, Joni, and another thing you're
31:47
using for it is pivot points
31:49
You can actually use your sliders as a
31:51
pivot point to get around certain objects
31:54
You know, you put the slider against it
31:56
and just turn your wheels hard and stand
31:58
on the gas and let it spin the tires and
32:02
just kind of turn around the tree or rock
32:04
or stump or whatever it may be
32:06
And mine are not capable of doing that
32:08
If you were to do that on your vehicle,
32:10
okay, they're capable of doing it, but
32:11
you're going to end up
32:12
with body damage because of it
32:13
They just don't stick out far enough
32:15
And you've told me before, but how much
32:18
further, I mean, how far were you going
32:20
to extend those out? Was it six inches?
32:22
No, probably just a couple of inches
32:24
I want to be able to look down my door
32:26
handle, you know, basically take a level,
32:28
put it on my door handle and
32:29
actually be touching the slider
32:30
Well, a couple inches isn't bad
32:32
So that couple inches wouldn't put it out
32:35
to, say, the same distance of the outside
32:39
edge of your tire then
32:40
It would actually be much closer in
32:42
Oh, much closer, yes
32:45
Another thing that you left out for the
32:46
sliders is one of the greatest things
32:48
about a slider is when you end up with
32:50
tires the size of ours, the stock jacks
32:52
are absolutely useless
32:53
You have to pretty much have a high lift
32:55
jack and the slider is the greatest place
32:57
in the world to jack up your vehicle
32:58
It's very easy to see, isn't it? You
33:00
don't have to get under anything and look
33:01
and make sure that you're right on the
33:03
pinch seam or the axle
33:07
In many cases, if you're off road, you
33:09
may not be able to see those things
33:10
anyway because they may be buried
33:12
That's correct. And with the case in
33:14
mind, you just basically throw your jack
33:15
down there and start lifting
33:17
It's going to touch it
33:18
Well, I'm certainly looking forward to
33:20
getting some sliders for my vehicle
33:22
And I wish I'd had them before I did it
33:26
at the quarter panel, but
33:26
I'm going to take care of that
33:28
That'll be just fine
33:29
You know, it's nice too
33:31
because I don't even notice it
33:32
I think if I was in my twenties, it would
33:35
just drive me insane
33:37
It bothered me enough doing it that day
33:41
But since then, really
33:42
hadn't even thought about it
33:43
So pretty happy about it
33:47
Well, if it was something like a door or
33:50
a fender or something,
33:51
then it would bother me
33:52
But I don't ever notice it
33:54
Yeah, I'm with you
33:55
I mean, that's why I said, you know, I've
33:57
got to the point with mine that body
33:59
damage is certainly not an option
34:01
I mean, if you, you know, I don't want to
34:04
tear it up severely, but you know,
34:06
rubbing a tree and having a
34:07
scratch and a dent out of it
34:08
Yeah, it's just a way of life
34:10
Well, and also too, you can wind up
34:13
messing up a door sufficiently where you
34:15
won't be able to open and close it
34:17
So if you you can look at it from the
34:19
standpoint, you may not care about doing
34:21
the superficial damage to the to the door
34:24
front or rear door
34:25
But in the case of a four door Jeep
34:28
But certainly being able to open and
34:29
close the doors would be a would be
34:32
something that would be
34:34
Less convenient than a scratch or a dent.
34:36
So the sliders the sliders are a very
34:39
good idea even if you're not doing rocks
34:41
Yeah, and I agree with you
34:42
That's one of the reasons I want to
34:43
extend my sliders out a
34:45
little bit more because you know
34:46
The real vulnerable spot of our jeeps is
34:48
right where the front rear door me. You
34:51
you bend that in you're pretty much done
34:53
I mean there, you know now you can't open
34:55
your back or close your front door
34:57
That's right. That's one of the reasons I
34:59
want to go ahead and
34:59
extend them out that way
35:00
There's no way for me to actually hit
35:02
that and see one of
35:03
the other things that I'm
35:05
Real close to be doing on mine is I'm
35:08
gonna do a cage in mine
35:09
But I'm actually gonna do
35:10
like what they call a hybrid cage
35:12
Which is my halo my top bars will be on
35:15
the external part of the Jeep where all
35:17
my other bars will be internal
35:19
Would you make that would that be like a
35:22
roof rack where you would actually be
35:23
able to put things on the roof or?
35:25
Is that how you know sure you could but I
35:28
won't be using it as a roof
35:29
That's what I mean. I had to remove my
35:31
roof rack because of getting hung up on
35:34
off, you know when I
35:35
was out in the trails
35:36
right
35:39
Okay, yeah, I actually I just myself
35:43
personally don't like external cages
35:45
though, you know the extra cages
35:46
I just think they're but I mean and
35:48
that's just my personal opinion and you
35:50
know, some people love them
35:51
I'm on the opposite end of that. The only
35:54
reason I'm even doing the top
35:56
bars out of the Jeep is because
35:58
Headroom, I'm six foot tall when I sit in
36:01
my Jeep my head's not
36:02
terribly far from the top of my Jeep
36:04
Yeah, and because of that, I don't want
36:06
to knock my dog in when I'm wheeling it
36:08
You know, I don't want to have to wear a
36:09
helmet every time I drive
36:10
my Jeep off-road, right?
36:13
So I'm gonna do it that way and you know,
36:15
if I don't like it, I can
36:16
always cut it off and start over
36:18
That's the nice part of
36:20
Being able to do things yourself as you
36:22
can make changes whenever it suits you
36:25
Whenever it's the best decision or how
36:26
it's or whenever it suits you. Well, and
36:28
that's the greatest thing
36:29
about working with metal
36:30
You know if you screw it up weld with two
36:32
pieces back together and
36:32
start over. Yeah, it's okay
36:34
You know, I guess it's funny because I'm
36:36
no carpenter by any
36:37
stretch of the imagination
36:39
You know if I were to build a house, I'd
36:40
have a lot of leftover two by fours
36:42
because they're all be cut too short
36:44
Yeah, you know with with metal, you know,
36:46
if you cut it too short, okay
36:47
Well, we'll be back together. We cut it.
36:49
It'd be I'd be nice if you could do that
36:51
with with wood, wouldn't it? Oh, yeah
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But is it is cold here. Of course,
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they've they've always
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been across the street
40:32
They were across the street when we moved
40:34
in and that was about
40:36
12 13 years ago, so we don't have Reaney
40:39
here to ask questions. But
40:40
did you guys have any questions?
40:41
I know everything that Reaney told me and
40:43
it was only what a week ago that
40:45
Tortue weeks ago that we
40:46
spoke so I'm sure I know
40:48
does that mean you're not going to work
40:49
in the morning big Jim
40:50
because I would think you on a
40:53
Roof with 20 degree
40:55
weather would be lots of fun
40:57
I have a joke that I like to
41:00
I like to put on on Twitter
41:02
It makes me laugh and I don't think it
41:04
makes anybody else laugh
41:05
But but I still enjoy it
41:06
because I laugh at it if Al Gore
41:09
Fell over in the woods and there was
41:11
nobody there to hear it. Would he make a
41:13
sound the chat room fell silent?
41:16
The planet sure says no
41:19
Well, I'm sure that the I'm sure that
41:22
there is a global
41:23
climate change occurring
41:25
Because it's a secular thing that happens
41:28
has happened for thousands and thousands
41:30
and thousands of years
41:31
You can see that in the
41:32
the ice core records from
41:34
Antarctica and worth full South Pole. I
41:37
don't know one of the poles
41:40
And I don't mean the Polish anyway
41:42
Yeah, I think that there the climate is
41:44
changing and that's that's
41:46
normal that's that's natural
41:47
It's it's you know, just like so many
41:50
other things Sun rises Sun
41:51
sets. It's a cycle in nature
41:53
But what's our effect on it? I mean,
41:56
we're very minuscule in
41:59
What we do what we are
42:01
and what we do to the earth
42:02
So man, it just really gets me anytime I
42:06
hear these these
42:06
things about save the planet
42:09
The planet doesn't give a rat's about us
42:13
It will it will survive
42:15
just fine with or without us
42:18
we could drop every nuke that we have and
42:21
the earth is gonna go
42:22
well, that was interesting and
42:24
Those cycles are gonna clean everything
42:26
up and it's all gonna go back to the way
42:27
it was we just won't be here
42:29
There is there's no saving the planet the
42:32
planet you keep we don't possess the
42:34
technology to damage
42:36
the planet sufficiently
42:38
It's all about saving us. So, you know,
42:42
if you want to if you want to do a promo
42:44
For that that semi-intelligent people can
42:47
buy into say let's save humanity
42:51
although I could probably figure that
42:54
there's there's pockets of humanity that
42:57
That you don't care to save and that's
42:58
probably why they don't say that. That's
43:00
probably why they say save the planet
43:02
but anyway
43:04
I
43:05
Could be wrong. I've been wrong before.
43:08
No, I was right that time everyone water
43:10
world water world. That
43:12
would be cool web feet
43:14
Exactly. Screw the planet.
43:16
Let's go mutting Jim says
43:18
Zombies we don't want to save them. Well
43:21
zombies that would be pretty much anybody
43:23
in politics. Don't even get me started
43:29
I
43:29
Got a hate it
43:30
I'm sitting there talking and then the
43:31
the screensaver kicks on
43:34
and both screens go go blank
43:35
They go dark and I'm
43:37
like, oh my god power outage
43:39
I gotta move the mouse, you know, and I
43:41
see everything else
43:41
here is still on so yeah
43:43
I figure it's okay and it was the
43:46
following program is closed captioned for
43:48
the thinking impaired
43:54
I
43:54
That's it
43:57
Big thanks, Fred. I'm a full-time student
43:59
at bartending college Wow, I never had
44:01
time for a formal education
44:02
Well, I decided to make time but it's not
44:04
easy bartending college is a four-week
44:06
course. Gee, how far along are you?
44:08
Well, let's see. This is Tuesday the
44:09
third week. Hey, I'm a junior and I'm
44:11
late for a daiquiri lecture
44:13
Why don't you join me? Why not?
44:16
You've already spent enough time on the
44:18
other side of the bar
44:18
to qualify for enrollment
44:20
We teach you everything you need to know
44:23
you'll get a starter set of bartenders
44:25
jokes like so I said to the guy
44:27
You can stay but the cows gotta go
44:31
You'll learn how to roll drunks water the
44:33
liquor and skim the cash register and
44:35
remember as the
44:36
bartender you drink for free free
44:39
last call for integrity
44:42
You can stay but the cow has to leave
44:45
It doesn't get much better than that
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I don't know if you guys could hear that
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very well that was kind of the audio was
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kind of low on that one
44:51
I absolutely love this
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one. Oh, wait a minute. I
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Just wanted to say
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It's where you go when you're not
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off-road I want to remind you guys of
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something that I thought about today I
46:10
Was I'm thinking about adding a new
46:12
segment to the show called helpful tips
46:15
and basically it would
46:16
be something that would be
46:18
relatively short
46:20
informative that
46:22
You know people may or may not know. I
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mean we have all kinds of
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Knowledge levels on the site. So what I
46:29
was thinking was one of you
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one of you that are listening
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member of XJ talk.com or not you could
46:37
call in to the voicemail line at
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530-675-4102 and leave a helpful tip
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What would be really good is if you were
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to say, you know who you are
46:49
if you're an XJ talk member
46:50
What's your name on the site is?
46:54
Where you're located like
46:57
Lexington
46:59
Etc. Houston, Texas, etc. And then what
47:02
your helpful tip is and
47:04
I have not tested it out to see how long
47:07
a message you could leave
47:09
But I would imagine you could leave a you
47:11
know, two three, maybe
47:12
even five minutes of a message
47:15
So a quick helpful tip and then what I
47:17
could do is play that on the show that
47:19
would give give you guys a
47:22
to be part of the show and
47:24
you know contribute to the knowledge of
47:28
People that may not already have this
47:30
information because keep in mind
47:33
The people that we have in the chat room
47:35
right now and usually are XJ talk members
47:38
and we talk about things and we read all
47:41
The posts so we have a good idea of what
47:44
what the knowledge level is of the
47:46
individuals on the site
47:47
But you don't know who might be listening
47:49
who might be watching on
47:50
YouTube or the u-stream
47:53
Recording so or even just listening to
47:56
the podcast later. So it would be it
47:59
would be great if you
48:01
would jump in and
48:03
Let your helpful tips
48:05
be known. Well Stefan. I
48:08
Don't know or I should say I didn't know
48:11
all that much either
48:12
I have pretty good mechanical knowledge
48:15
and it wasn't until I had to start
48:16
working on my Jeep
48:18
that I learned things and
48:19
Of course getting on the websites like
48:21
Naxj org was the first
48:24
site I happened on and
48:26
It was very informative and I learned a
48:30
lot just by reading things
48:31
and when I'm under the Jeep
48:34
or working on things I can
48:36
Apply what I've seen what I've read about
48:40
to what I'm seeing and then make that
48:42
association of how things go together
48:45
And it was actually very surprising to me
48:47
how how simple the
48:49
Jeep is. It's it's a very
48:52
Very way, it's way. It's put together is
48:55
a very simple thing and I like that
48:57
I mean, you know an engine from an
48:58
engineering perspective simple is good.
49:00
It's very effective. I
49:05
Learned a couple of tips like use a lot
49:07
of PB Blaster. Well from
49:09
what I've read if you're in a
49:12
Environment where it's cold ice snow and
49:15
they use a lot of salt which you're in
49:17
Utah and I would assume that they do
49:21
Then yeah, you have to learn how to use
49:23
the the things that break
49:26
Break the rest apart. Well, you know, the
49:29
Renex is just a engine, right?
49:31
I mean that's the only difference between
49:33
the HO the engine that I have in my 98
49:37
and of the Renex which was before the
49:40
what 96 and before
49:42
So I don't think that I mean there's what
49:45
is that they the Renex
49:47
systems have a closed
49:52
Gosh lost it radiator
49:53
cooling engine coolant system they have a
49:55
closed system whereas the 96 or 97
49:59
Forward have an open system. Okay. So
50:02
what was it? So 92
50:05
would be the HO engines
50:12
Okay, well that's good to know because I
50:15
would like to get another
50:17
Cherokee at some point and it would be
50:19
nice to get one that would be a
50:23
similar engine to what I have and not
50:26
Not a Renex simply because it would be
50:29
different than what I'm used to I'd love
50:31
to have like another 98 or
50:34
99
50:35
1999 Jeep Cherokee actually, I'd like to
50:38
have one for my daughters to drive the
50:40
My oldest daughter is why actually
50:42
they're both driving age now my
50:45
My youngest daughter just turned 16
50:46
yesterday so she could
50:48
technically start driving
50:49
We can't afford for them to but they
50:51
technically could be driving
50:53
I wouldn't want them being driving
50:54
wouldn't want them driving around by
50:56
themselves. Anyway, it's just
50:58
not something that I would be comfortable
51:01
with although I started
51:01
driving when I was 16 and
51:04
Man, I was all over the place
51:05
Parents were crazy. They shouldn't they
51:07
should have been keeping closer tabs on
51:09
me. What are you gonna do?
51:11
well, I hope the the load
51:13
turnout in the chat room is just a
51:17
Sign of starting late and
51:19
not a decline in our viewership
51:22
Although I think there's a few people
51:24
that that would have been here
51:26
I know Renee would have been here if it
51:27
wasn't past his bedtime
51:29
Actually, we lost somebody and and
51:31
Wayne's not here. I just realized that
51:33
can't have 27 isn't
51:35
isn't with us either. Oh
51:38
well
51:39
They can always
51:41
always watch on the watch the recording
51:43
or listen to the recording
51:45
Yeah, he may have been
51:46
on closer to 8 o'clock
51:49
One the show 8 o'clock central when the
51:51
show was just a bit on
51:57
See weldman says Tony did you see my
51:59
grill guard I made no I didn't
52:01
of course I the the site didn't come up
52:06
until about 8 15 8 20
52:08
I had a bunch of database errors that I
52:10
had to correct and I was
52:12
In the middle of getting all this setup
52:14
ready to go and kind
52:16
of double time method
52:18
so I
52:20
Haven't had a lot of time to read
52:21
anything that's on the site, but I'll be
52:23
be going there now here in a minute
52:26
I think the site's all repaired and
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There's no more database errors
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52:51
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52:54
The helpful tip that we could play on the
52:56
air would love to have
52:59
Something other than my
53:01
voice to play on the show
53:05
I mean listening to my voice was was fun
53:07
there for at first, but you know
53:11
So as you as you know XJ talk comm a
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We have lots of great people on there.
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My name is motor Roy on the site, and I
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53:33
So guys, but barring any other
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Unforseen situations, we'll see you again
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53:46
tonight and again very sorry we're late
54:06
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54:09
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