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Prop bet SCHEME! former Bucco Luis Ortiz, Emmanuel Clase indicted · Bucco Territory: A Pittsburgh Pirates Podcast

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Speaker 1: What's up, everybody?
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Speaker 2: Welcome back to another episode of Bucco Territory, presented by
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Speaker 2: always joining me are my wonderful co hosts, Josh Harrison
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Speaker 2: Very simple topic to get into here, didn't even feel
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Speaker 2: the need to introduce what we were going to discuss
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Speaker 2: on the show before I introduced you guys, because this is,
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Speaker 2: i would say, probably the biggest story in sports right now,
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Speaker 2: definitely the biggest story in the world of baseball.
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Speaker 1: This weekend, it was announced that.
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Speaker 2: Two Major League baseball players, Emmanuel class A Classe and
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Speaker 2: Louis Ortiz, were indicted on charges for allegedly being linked
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Speaker 2: to illegally betting on games that they were participants and
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Speaker 2: they're There are a lot of really good, extensive reports
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Speaker 2: on this situation. ESPN's been all over it, the Athletics
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Speaker 2: went all over it. I recommend anyone who's interested in
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Speaker 2: baseball giving a read to the reporting from the likes
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Speaker 2: of Zach My Soul, Jeff Passon, and others as well.
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Speaker 2: Ken Rosenthal, I believe has contributed to some reporting here,
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Speaker 2: and I apologize to the others who who also contributed,
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Speaker 2: because there's a lot of really good information on this
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Speaker 2: some great journalism. It's it's quite kind of cool from
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Speaker 2: my end to see that US baseball writers were not
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Speaker 2: just writing about games. That we're capable of doing some
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Speaker 2: good journalism these days, and I want to talk about
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Speaker 2: this journalism and just this overall situation gambling in baseball.
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Speaker 2: It's gone back for over one hundred years. Obviously, the
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Speaker 2: infamous Chicago Black Sox fixed a World Series eight men out.
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Speaker 2: They made a movie about it. Those guys banned from baseball.
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Speaker 2: Pete Rose, it's the reason he's.
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Speaker 1: Not in the Hall of Fame.
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Speaker 2: To Kapeto Marcano, former pirate, was banned from baseball just
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Speaker 2: last year.
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Speaker 1: And now we have this.
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Speaker 2: And this was an interesting scenario because in all other instances,
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Speaker 2: it feels like those things happened and were discovered after
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Speaker 2: they were happening, right, this incident was discovered in the
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Speaker 2: midst of the season in which it was taking place,
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Speaker 2: and these guys were put on paid leave mid season
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Speaker 2: as their team was competing to win a pennant and
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Speaker 2: ultimately did they found a way to win the division
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Speaker 2: without them, and then the season ends less than a
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Speaker 2: couple weeks after the World Series is played, we get
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Speaker 2: this bombshell report where they're not just facing discipline from
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Speaker 2: Major League Baseball, these guys could be potentially doing decades
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Speaker 2: of time in prison. So I obviously a lot of
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Speaker 2: people have strong opinions on this, but we have access
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Speaker 2: to a major league baseball player who I'm sure, Josh.
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Speaker 1: We hear all the time.
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Speaker 2: First day of spring training, they ask you, they read
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Speaker 2: you Rule twenty one, They tell you about that rule,
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Speaker 2: do not.
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Speaker 1: Bet on baseball.
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Speaker 2: I've got a couple questions about this story for you,
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Speaker 2: but my first one is just what was your reaction
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Speaker 2: to this news.
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Speaker 4: Definitely shocking, you know, definitely not anything you want to
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Speaker 4: be in the news for, especially for any sport. You know,
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Speaker 4: we've done a lot over the years to try to
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Speaker 4: clean up our game and you know, not have any
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Speaker 4: of these outside factors, even with the you know whole
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Speaker 4: steroid error and all that. You know, it's why we
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Speaker 4: got testing and you know a lot of these in
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Speaker 4: there are still people that are you know, testing positive
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Speaker 4: for steroids when we get the same you know spill
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Speaker 4: every spring or whatever about you know, taking supplements given
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Speaker 4: by the team, and you know Rule twenty one, as
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Speaker 4: you said, is something that has gone over every spring.
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Speaker 4: You know, they even put out you know, like a
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Speaker 4: little video that we watch, you know, just to make
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Speaker 4: it interactive or you know, just to make sure something
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Speaker 4: that will grab your attention because you know, even for
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Speaker 4: you know, ninety nine percent of the guy sitting in
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Speaker 4: that locker room went watching it.
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Speaker 3: You know, aren't going to do it.
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Speaker 4: But I mean, this case right here shows that there
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Speaker 4: are still people out there that could potentially be putting
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Speaker 4: themselves in a situation that otherwise, you know, they shouldn't.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's it's mind blowing to me that this
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Speaker 2: is still happening, right, And it also makes me wonder
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Speaker 2: how often this happened before sports betting was legalized, right, Like,
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Speaker 2: how many how many players got away with this before
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Speaker 2: we had the technology to track these certain things. But
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Speaker 2: then on the flip side, gambling is impossible to avoid now, Josh.
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Speaker 2: Even back when you were playing, which wasn't long ago,
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Speaker 2: it was still kind of taboo, right.
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Speaker 1: I mean, it wasn't federally legalized.
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Speaker 2: Or it's still not federally legalized, but it wasn't legalized
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Speaker 2: anywhere really except for like Vegas and Atlantic City for
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Speaker 2: the bulk of your career. And I'm sure you know
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Speaker 2: people still bet on sports a ton back then. Not
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Speaker 2: saying like active players, but you know, people had bookies,
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Speaker 2: people would go to race tracks, people would go to Vegas.
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Speaker 2: But now it's it's even in that Athletic article. If
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Speaker 2: you read to the very bottom of that very extensive,
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Speaker 2: detailed report, the Athletic had to give full disclosure they
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Speaker 2: have a partnership with that MGM. I am a part
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Speaker 2: of other shows that have partnerships with other sports books.
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Speaker 2: I'm sure foul Territory even has partnerships with sports books,
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Speaker 2: and so everyone is involved with this. Now League Baseball,
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Speaker 2: every stadium you go to there is a sports book
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Speaker 2: add on the outfield wall, or some of them even
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Speaker 2: have sports books attached to their stadium.
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Speaker 1: You can place a bet before heading into the game.
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Speaker 2: You can bet on the game as you watch from home,
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Speaker 2: in the middle of the game, and that's how this
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Speaker 2: came to be. In nineteen seventy you couldn't bet on
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Speaker 2: every pitch. You couldn't bet on if it would be
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Speaker 2: a striker ball. You couldn't bet on the velocity of it.
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Speaker 2: Right now you can, we can catch it, right, we
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Speaker 2: have the technology to see. Okay, eleven thousand dollars, we're
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Speaker 2: just bet on the first pitch of a fourth inning offering.
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Speaker 1: But you can bet on that stuff.
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Speaker 2: Not as much money anymore, right, yeah, yeah, But Josh,
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Speaker 2: I want to ask you about that is is this
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Speaker 2: have we gone to? Has was this inevitable when you
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Speaker 2: get in bed with sports gambling because it's such a
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Speaker 2: prominent part of our sports society.
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Speaker 1: Now, was this bound to happen? Oh?
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Speaker 3: For sure.
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Speaker 4: I mean I can't say at the forefront it's anything
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Speaker 4: that anybody was specifically detailed like this, but looking at it,
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Speaker 4: for sure you can bet on every pitch. It's a
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Speaker 4: game that has a lot of human error. So I
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Speaker 4: mean it's a game where people try to do something,
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Speaker 4: you know, throw a ball a specific spot and go
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Speaker 4: somewhere different.
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Speaker 3: So in retrospect.
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Speaker 4: To be able to kind of disguise it, I guess
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Speaker 4: you could, because there's so much human error in this
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Speaker 4: game that is like, oh man, he threw a pitch
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Speaker 4: to the backstop, and trust me, sometimes.
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Speaker 3: That happens, like you know what I mean.
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Speaker 4: So it's not far fetched to think, oh, yeah, I'm
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Speaker 4: gonna gamble pitch by pitch.
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Speaker 3: Oh I bet he does throw a first pitch ball.
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Speaker 3: It might be you know, in retrospect.
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Speaker 4: You might be thinking, oh, yeah, the guy that's leading
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Speaker 4: off the end is a first pitch swinger, so yeah,
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Speaker 4: this pitcher probably you know, those are things that people
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Speaker 4: will probably look into because everything now has data, has analytics,
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Speaker 4: So even people that are gambling and betting, I'm sure
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Speaker 4: are looking at the percentages that are being.
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Speaker 3: You know, put out there.
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Speaker 4: I don't know, I'm just speaking off of if it's
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Speaker 4: on ESPN and you can watch or you know, say
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Speaker 4: you're watching the broadcast of a game and they're putting
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Speaker 4: up probability of you know, base hit with a one
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Speaker 4: two count and showing these things, I'm sure people are
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Speaker 4: betting on these things. So, as I said, for it
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Speaker 4: to happen, I don't think it should be anything that
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Speaker 4: is surprising now looking at it, because as you said,
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Speaker 4: even before then, people were you know, maybe you know,
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Speaker 4: connected to a bookie or somebody gambled. So I don't
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Speaker 4: think it's anything that just like I said, steroids, we've
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Speaker 4: cracked down on that, but there are still gonna be
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Speaker 4: people that do steroids.
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Speaker 3: Unfortunately, and this is another case of just like.
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Speaker 4: Gambling, you know, we go over rule twenty one, but
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Speaker 4: unfortunately there's still some people out that are out there
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Speaker 4: that might be considering doing you know, something that would
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Speaker 4: you know otherwise told not to.
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Speaker 2: Mark, I want to pick your brain on some things
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Speaker 2: now people know Mark because he runs a good Twitter account,
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Speaker 2: but a lot of people don't know Mark is a lawyer.
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Speaker 1: He has a law degree.
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Speaker 2: So I want to dive into the conversation you and
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Speaker 2: I were having before we went on there the sloppiness
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Speaker 2: the paper trail here, as someone.
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Speaker 1: Who's been a part of reviewing.
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Speaker 2: These things, you know you're you're an expert in essentially
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Speaker 2: finding paper trails, knowing the documents, and being able to
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Speaker 2: connect the dots on things. It's rather jarring how careless
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Speaker 2: some of these things allegedly, or the way they went
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Speaker 2: about these things allegedly, I should.
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Speaker 5: Say, yeah, just based off the athletics reporting. Again all alleged,
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Speaker 5: but I mean, you had a manual Class A text
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Speaker 5: in the bookie who he had basically paid for the
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Speaker 5: seats for this bookie, and.
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Speaker 1: So he's singing in that's not the bookie, yeah better.
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Speaker 5: The better was sitting in Class A seats as Class
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Speaker 5: A is texting him from the bullpen saying are you ready?
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Speaker 5: You're ready? And then are you They have a few
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Speaker 5: minutes of a conversation, and again, all of this is
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Speaker 5: easily proven by federal investigators. The FBI is gonna have
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Speaker 5: no issue pulling this up and saying, exhibit A your honor.
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Speaker 5: So it's perplexing that they did it that blatantly, just
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Speaker 5: not even in that regard though, but also the way
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Speaker 5: that the bets were placed, the consistency. This wasn't just
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Speaker 5: a one or two time thing. This was consistently consistently.
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Speaker 5: It seems like class may have brought in or teased
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Speaker 5: it almost up the scale of the operation that was
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Speaker 5: going on to the point where it's over four hundred
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Speaker 5: thousand dollars that they won. And the other perplexing aspect
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Speaker 5: of this is just the kickbacks that they were getting.
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Speaker 5: It seems like minimal numbers. I saw one payment of
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Speaker 5: five thousand and one payment of seven thousand dollars. Yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 5: and so it's just that's sum of money for the
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Speaker 5: liability that they put themselves in now, let alone professionally,
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Speaker 5: but legally is just astounding.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: I mean, you look at the earning potential athletes have now,
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Speaker 2: especially with social media and brand deals. You can make
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Speaker 2: a two thousand dollars side hustle legally, so much easier.
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Speaker 2: Your agency could set that up for you in a day.
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Speaker 2: It feels like, Josh, I want to get back to
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Speaker 2: you on this. Put yourself in the shoes of a
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Speaker 2: player on the Cleveland Guardians right now. You have been
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Speaker 2: playing with these guys for I mean, in the case
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Speaker 2: of Class A, some of the guys in that club
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Speaker 2: have been playing years of baseball with him. Dave went
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Speaker 2: to the ALCS with him last year. Some guys played
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Speaker 2: in All Star Games with him. He was I think,
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Speaker 2: for my money, the best relief pitcher in Major League
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Speaker 2: Baseball thirty he was young voting, Yeah, he was third.
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Speaker 1: And Cy Young voting last year.
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Speaker 2: And then Luis Ortiz is a guy that they traded
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Speaker 2: for who had five plus years of club control.
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Speaker 1: He was going to be the anchor of their rotation
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Speaker 1: for years down the line.
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Speaker 2: And we all know how much Cleveland values it's starting pitching.
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Speaker 1: That's what's been their bread and butter.
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Speaker 2: And won them a ton of games for the last
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Speaker 2: however long twenty thirty years. What are you feeling right
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Speaker 2: now if you're one of the players in the Guardians
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Speaker 2: organization as you're reading that story.
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Speaker 4: Definitely caught off guard, because I'm sure this is the
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Speaker 4: same situation is when you know any type of you know,
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Speaker 4: suspension or anything happens you know, for the most part,
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Speaker 4: you're blind sided because it's not anything that you know,
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Speaker 4: they they released to the team and say hey, in
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Speaker 4: a couple of days or a couple of weeks, you know,
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Speaker 4: this report is going to come out for so and
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Speaker 4: so so as all of us are learning, they are
14:19
Speaker 4: also finding out at the same time. And I'm sure
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Speaker 4: there's a lot of you know, questions that you know,
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Speaker 4: guys have. But at the same time, I know there's
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Speaker 4: a leader or a couple leaders in the clubhouse that
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Speaker 4: are going to have to understand today. You know, we still,
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Speaker 4: you know, as you said, made the playoffs without these guys,
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Speaker 4: not that these guys when they were here weren't our
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Speaker 4: you know, teammates and brothers.
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Speaker 3: But it's just a case off. You never know what.
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Speaker 4: Somebody's involved in and what they got going on, or
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Speaker 4: what they could be involved in, and that's just a
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Speaker 4: thing of where for them, this is an opportunity where
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Speaker 4: it's going to be next man up, which it was
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Speaker 4: already proven, next man up, you know, with those guys
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Speaker 4: having to take a you know, absence of leave.
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Speaker 3: But I'm sure there's gonna be some some some anger,
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Speaker 3: some frustration.
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Speaker 4: I'm sure there's gonna be some people that are hurt,
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Speaker 4: you know, because because trust factor with some with a
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Speaker 4: lot of guys are going to be broken, not amongst
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Speaker 4: the team, but just with those guys. But I'm sure
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Speaker 4: that clubhouse is also like, you know, those guys have
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Speaker 4: a little bit or or actually a lot bigger things
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Speaker 4: to worry about then, you know, just you know, our
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Speaker 4: clubhouse trusting them because you know what, as you said,
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Speaker 4: it's not just MLB baseball.
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Speaker 3: This is, you know, a bigger case than that.
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Speaker 4: But I know Stephen Vote is a guy that's been
15:38
Speaker 4: been around the game quite a bit, so I don't
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Speaker 4: think it's anything that you know, he won't be able
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Speaker 4: to get to the forefront because, uh, Steven was a
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Speaker 4: catcher and has jumped right into that job. And I think,
15:52
Speaker 4: you know, I've done a pretty good job of managing
15:54
Speaker 4: those things. But uh, this is just one of those
15:56
Speaker 4: cases where it's some outside noise that they're gonna have
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Speaker 4: to quiet. But I think this is something that's going
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Speaker 4: to continue to go because there are gonna be guys
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Speaker 4: that could potentially be brought in for questioning that probably
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Speaker 4: don't know a thing.
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Speaker 2: I want to be clear before I asked this question
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Speaker 2: that I'm not comparing what I'm about to bring up
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Speaker 2: to what's currently happening to two players who were part
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Speaker 2: of the Guardians organization.
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Speaker 1: But you, Josh, you.
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Speaker 2: Talked about how there are things that happen involving players
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Speaker 2: in the same clubhouse and you have no idea, and
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Speaker 2: that things will get brought up mid season and people
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Speaker 2: are completely caught off guard. I think an example of that,
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Speaker 2: and obviously, like I said, on a lesser scale, on
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Speaker 2: so many different levels, was when Marte got popped for peds.
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Speaker 2: What would that have been twenty seventeen, twenty sixteen, twenty seventeen.
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Speaker 3: Seventeen, We never forget we were in Saint Louis. That
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Speaker 3: was the season that they had moved cutched to.
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Speaker 2: Right Yes, can you can you tell me about that experience,
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Speaker 2: because I mean that was, like you said, they moved
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Speaker 2: the face of the franchise to right field because Starling
17:04
Speaker 2: Marte was supposedly going to make you guys better in
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Speaker 2: center field, and he was the star prospect, he was
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Speaker 2: going to become the next superstar, and you lost your
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Speaker 2: star player for something that no one really had an
17:16
Speaker 2: idea that was going on.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, we were in Saint Louis. I'll never forget. We
17:22
Speaker 4: get done with the game, and uh, Saint Louis, we
17:25
Speaker 4: stayed in the hotel that was walking distance, so we
17:27
Speaker 4: always used to walk back to the hotel. You know,
17:29
Speaker 4: guys got their you know, postgame routines, and even Saint Louis,
17:33
Speaker 4: you'll take a more time because it's no bus time.
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Speaker 3: And I remember me and Kutch walked back.
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Speaker 4: You know, to the hotel. We kind of take our
17:40
Speaker 4: time because neither one of our wives are there.
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Speaker 3: And I remember we.
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Speaker 4: See Marte as we're walking out and thinking nothing of it.
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Speaker 4: You know, he's out in the hallway, you know, just
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Speaker 4: like anybody may have been, you know.
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Speaker 3: And see you tomorrow, and uh, you know, we know
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Speaker 3: nothing of it.
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Speaker 4: And Cutch gets a call that morning, I'm pretty sure
17:57
Speaker 4: from you know, like Clint, right after it broke. I
18:00
Speaker 4: think Clint's like, hey, Cutch, we just found out it's
18:03
Speaker 4: announced you're playing center field. And that's when the team
18:07
Speaker 4: found out, like when it was announced. But we got
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Speaker 4: to the field that day, Marte had to address us
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Speaker 4: and speak to us. But uh, you know a lot
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Speaker 4: of us, as I said, none of us knew, like
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Speaker 4: not even an inkling of oh, he's trying to peel it,
18:20
Speaker 4: or there's a you know, we was just showing up
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Speaker 4: every day. He's showing up every day playing and then
18:26
Speaker 4: you know, obviously he knew. But you know some of
18:29
Speaker 4: those things where you really are a blind side, you're
18:31
Speaker 4: caught off guard. You got questions, but at the same time,
18:34
Speaker 4: you know, time doesn't stop. You got other guys in
18:37
Speaker 4: that clubhouse that y'all. Y'all got to strap it up
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Speaker 4: and put it together every day.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's yeah.
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Speaker 2: And again I want to reiterate one more time, not
18:48
Speaker 2: comparing Starling Marte using PDS to what class A and
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Speaker 2: Ortiz are alleged to be doing, but just the element
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Speaker 2: of how that can impact.
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Speaker 3: The team this season, like just how news is said.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm sure there's probably an element of you
19:04
Speaker 2: where it's like you probably there's part of you that
19:08
Speaker 2: moving forward always had some curiosity. It's like I wonder
19:12
Speaker 2: what's going on that I don't know about.
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Speaker 4: Or you notice times like dang, you know what I
19:17
Speaker 4: do remember certain games that he just wouldn't himself or whatever.
19:21
Speaker 4: It's like, man, maybe it was weighing on him. You know,
19:23
Speaker 4: there was nobody he could tell. And as I said,
19:27
Speaker 4: you know, it's always bigger than the game of baseball
19:28
Speaker 4: because that's somebody's life, you know, right. And you know,
19:31
Speaker 4: as much as we want to feel or say this,
19:33
Speaker 4: that person got a whole other thing that we wouldn't
19:36
Speaker 4: even fathom dealing with that. You know, as I said,
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Speaker 4: those guys in the locker room are going to have
19:42
Speaker 4: to band together and keep pushing.
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Speaker 1: On the note of this being someone's life.
19:47
Speaker 2: I think we can wrap up this week's show here.
19:50
Speaker 2: There are other things that we plan on talking about today,
19:53
Speaker 2: but I feel like this is just a great single
19:56
Speaker 2: topic episode because it is the single topic in the
19:58
Speaker 2: baseball world. We could talk about Mitch Keller and some
20:02
Speaker 2: awards and other things on other episodes.
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Speaker 1: You've got plenty of them to come.
20:07
Speaker 2: I want to talk about Louis Ortiz for a moment
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Speaker 2: because I covered this guy.
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Speaker 1: I feel like I got to know him a decent amount.
20:16
Speaker 2: I'm not going to sit here and act like I
20:18
Speaker 2: had an amazing relationship with him, but Luis Ortiz.
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Speaker 3: Was.
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Speaker 1: And Josh can kind of attest to this.
20:27
Speaker 2: When you're a Latin ballplayer, you don't feel comfortable maybe
20:31
Speaker 2: speaking English to every media member, because you have to
20:35
Speaker 2: build a certain level of trust with guys who will
20:38
Speaker 2: take you out of context or maybe just to won't
20:41
Speaker 2: give you the benefit of the doubt or allow you
20:43
Speaker 2: to maybe expand on things and say, are you sure
20:46
Speaker 2: you got that right there?
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Speaker 1: And Louise and I like that.
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Speaker 2: He was probably the first Latin ball player who granted
20:54
Speaker 2: me that trust and would talk to me in his
20:57
Speaker 2: second language, and that meant a lot to me. And
21:01
Speaker 2: he shared some things about his game, just about his
21:04
Speaker 2: personal life, and I always thought Luis Ortiz was a
21:08
Speaker 2: really sweet man. He was a kid who had insane talent,
21:15
Speaker 2: got some humble pie thrown his way. Early in his
21:18
Speaker 2: big league career, the Pirates moved him to the bullpen
21:21
Speaker 2: and he embraced that role. He ended up being like
21:24
Speaker 2: a three and a half win player in twenty twenty
21:26
Speaker 2: four when they moved him into the rotation. I thought
21:29
Speaker 2: he was going to end up being a big staple
21:32
Speaker 2: for the Pirates.
21:33
Speaker 1: Rotation moving forward.
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Speaker 2: Kennonley, I was kind of pissed when they traded him
21:36
Speaker 2: because I thought that I thought that he added a
21:39
Speaker 2: lot of value here and I thought that he was
21:42
Speaker 2: one of the guys. I really enjoyed interacting with in
21:45
Speaker 2: that clubhouse, although there was still a language barrier. I mean,
21:49
Speaker 2: he told me that Mitch Keller taught him to throw
21:52
Speaker 2: a new pitch mid season. That was one of my
21:54
Speaker 2: first exclusive stories I got to report on the beat,
21:57
Speaker 2: and it was fun doc menning his success because some
22:02
Speaker 2: people were quick to write him off as a bust,
22:05
Speaker 2: and he made himself a valuable piece of that twenty
22:08
Speaker 2: twenty four team, a valuable trade trip that brought in
22:11
Speaker 2: the Pirates best hitter this past season. And I remember
22:15
Speaker 2: going on Cleveland area radio stations the day of that
22:20
Speaker 2: trade from the winter meetings and telling Guardians fans that said,
22:23
Speaker 2: this is a guy that gonna you're gonna enjoy watching.
22:26
Speaker 2: He's gonna be someone who's a positive addition to the clubhouse,
22:30
Speaker 2: someone who will start playoff games for you guys, someone
22:34
Speaker 2: who has such a high upside. And seeing his name
22:37
Speaker 2: involved in something like this, it hurts. It hurts to read.
22:40
Speaker 2: And again I'm not sitting here pretending like I was
22:43
Speaker 2: best friends with Luis Ortiz, But when you cover major League.
22:49
Speaker 1: Baseball, Josh, you know it.
22:51
Speaker 2: I mean, reporters, they see the players more than they
22:54
Speaker 2: see their families and vice versa.
22:56
Speaker 1: Like you're You're around each other a lot. You get to.
22:59
Speaker 2: Build relationships with some of these guys. Some of them
23:02
Speaker 2: want to start a podcast with you down the road.
23:04
Speaker 2: It's kind of cool. But on a serious note, though,
23:08
Speaker 2: with Luis Ortiz, it sucks to see this. If he
23:13
Speaker 2: was a part of it, and these allegations are true,
23:15
Speaker 2: then he deserves everything he has coming to him. He
23:19
Speaker 2: made a very, very stupid decision and he should have
23:24
Speaker 2: to pay for that decision. But selfishly, it pains me
23:28
Speaker 2: to read that name in this type of story, and
23:32
Speaker 2: it also pains me to read I never interviewed class A,
23:36
Speaker 2: but as a baseball fan, it pains me to read
23:39
Speaker 2: this about a guy who, if he kept doing what
23:41
Speaker 2: he was doing, might have been in Cooperstown one day,
23:45
Speaker 2: or at least might have been able to live with
23:47
Speaker 2: the legacy of being an elite closer that when we
23:51
Speaker 2: would look back in the twenty twenties, we would review
23:54
Speaker 2: his contributions to baseball the way we look back at
23:56
Speaker 2: like how Eric Ganne contributed as a reliever in the
24:00
Speaker 2: early two thousands, or or Chapman for so long, or
24:03
Speaker 2: someone that he would have been in the same conversation,
24:06
Speaker 2: and now, due to just selfish and stupid decisions that
24:12
Speaker 2: he's alleged to have made, he's going to be remembered
24:15
Speaker 2: for something totally different and he's going to have to
24:18
Speaker 2: pay a hafty price. And that's that is just a
24:20
Speaker 2: true shame that you could take something that we all love,
24:24
Speaker 2: the game of baseball, and use it to make decisions
24:29
Speaker 2: like that.
24:29
Speaker 1: So that's all I have to say.
24:32
Speaker 5: Yeah, go ahead, Yeah, I think it's nice to see
24:35
Speaker 5: MLB respond already with the limiting prop bets to two
24:40
Speaker 5: hundred dollars max bets. I think prop bets are kind
24:44
Speaker 5: of the the root of all of this. I mean,
24:47
Speaker 5: it's happening in the NBA. It's all been the prop bets.
24:52
Speaker 5: So it's going to be interesting to see how regulayers
24:55
Speaker 5: respond to that, how the leagues respond to that, because
24:58
Speaker 5: it's a it's not your nineteen betting anymore where it's
25:02
Speaker 5: just win laws throwing games. It's all these minutia and
25:06
Speaker 5: that comes with the advanced saniel lakes to spot it.
25:09
Speaker 5: But it's a whole new can of worms, brand new problem.
25:12
Speaker 5: So we'll see.
25:13
Speaker 1: Yeah.
25:14
Speaker 2: I mean, hell, Class A was doing this routinely, allegedly
25:20
Speaker 2: was doing this routinely and was still the best in
25:23
Speaker 2: the world at what he was doing. So when you're
25:26
Speaker 2: able to do something like that, and had it not
25:30
Speaker 2: been for this advanced technology that sportsbooks have, we would
25:34
Speaker 2: have never known.
25:37
Speaker 1: No.
25:37
Speaker 2: Yeah, And the sad part is, I'm willing to unintended.
25:43
Speaker 2: I'm willing to bet that there's gonna be more stuff
25:46
Speaker 2: like this before this is all said and done. There
25:49
Speaker 2: might be maybe not connected directly to this operation, but
25:53
Speaker 2: this won't be the last instance we read of, not
25:57
Speaker 2: in baseball, not in basketball.
25:59
Speaker 1: It's this stuff's going to keep happening.
26:02
Speaker 2: And I really really hope that people who love playing
26:06
Speaker 2: the game of baseball, people who worked as hard as
26:08
Speaker 2: Josh Harrison did and all these other athletes did to
26:12
Speaker 2: maximize a dream that we all had when we were
26:14
Speaker 2: a little kid, to play the game in the biggest stage.
26:17
Speaker 2: To waste it on something so stupid and so insignificant
26:22
Speaker 2: is a true tragedy in my opinion, and I hope
26:25
Speaker 2: that people see this story and think twice if they
26:27
Speaker 2: ever have an opportunity to do some of these other things.
26:31
Speaker 3: So No, I totally agree.
26:36
Speaker 5: Us a pretty big deterent hopefully.
26:38
Speaker 4: So it's one of those things where it's like a parent,
26:41
Speaker 4: you tell your kids something that that's what those meetings
26:44
Speaker 4: are on spring training. Nobody wants to do them every year,
26:46
Speaker 4: but I mean, as we see, they are important because
26:50
Speaker 4: there's somebody out there that really possibly needs it. So
26:54
Speaker 4: you said, it definitely hurts, definitely for the game of
26:56
Speaker 4: baseball just to have this in the news.
26:58
Speaker 3: But you know, we will get through.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, we will.
27:02
Speaker 2: And the good news is we're gonna get to talk
27:04
Speaker 2: about more of the actual game of baseball the next
27:06
Speaker 2: time we record this show. We've got some good stuff
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Speaker 2: coming up for Thursday's program and everything else down the line.
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Speaker 2: He's Josh Harrison, He's Platinum Key. I'm Noah Jyles. Thanks
27:16
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