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TTOR Host, Olivia Maynard Transgender LGBTQ, Cindi Lincoln, VEKL, Brett Keane · Brett Keane and Eve Show

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  Alright says we're live. Let's make sure that we actually
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  are. Let's see.
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  Make sure we actually are. There we go.
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  Yep. We are actually live.
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  There we go. Now, I just got to go check.
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  Joshie TV to make sure we're live there as well.
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  I did to do. All right.
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  Check the live stream lists over here.
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  Yep, says we're live on Joshua TV as well, but let's click on
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  it just to be sure. Make sure that's not an
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  illusion. Okay?
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  Yep, we're working here, too. I'm going to go ahead and hit
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  start record over here so that way we can begin to save this.
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  All right, boom, close that. Now, why don't we put on some
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  soothing music, as we wait for a few more minutes to see if other
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  people show up. I'll just say hello.
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  Well, actually, I guess you can hear me.
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  Hi Shayla I saw you last night too.
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  But yeah, I didn't want to interrupt the lovely
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  conversations that were happening around me.
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  But anyway, I'm going to put on some nice soothing sound tracks,
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  but Buddhist got to activate the screen share.
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  And heard on the fair on that. My screen just freeze.
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  Oh, la la. All right, here we go.
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  Let's do this Cher. Let's do, let's do this one.
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  Probably listen to two or three tracks and then we'll start the
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  show. You able to share screen?
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  Is it not doing it? No, he got a click, add stream
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  down below. That better.
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  I still don't see it on the screen for some reason I hear.
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  Let's try that. All right, yeah, wouldn't let me
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  do it there? Listen to some music for a few
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  minutes and then we'll start the show.
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  It's you got headphones are man, I think that it's blocked and it
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  out or something. Let me try, let me try the
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  screen share again. Then this ain't the same
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  copyright, is it now? It shouldn't be okay.
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  Well, at least not in a way that would get your stream taken
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  down. Let me try this again.
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  I guess I have to keep clicking that annoying.
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  Share audio button. All right actually, I share
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  audio select that. Share the There we go, two or
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  three songs and then we go start the show. if more people chance
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  to trickle in, Can barely hear it.
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  It's not the loudest song. Yeah, I can hardly hear it, man.
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  Are you wearing headphones? No, I got you playing through
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  stereo wilfer's, that's weird. Four minutes.
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  Take me where I want to visit. Are you?
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  That's the red lights driving at night.
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  When do they try feeling alive? Nothing in sight.
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  Forever. Inflate.
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  Follow those times were making this time blurry.
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  Tree lights work is they got to memories.
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  That will make it tonight but you ever make it didn't I?
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  Yeah. No way.
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  I don't need a guide to visit.
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  They want to be that someone The screen at last, the angel, get
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  inside for their needs and might they want to be liked by
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  everybody in sight but dress. All right.
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  I think we're done with that. Hell out of there, everybody.
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  Welcome to God, TV radio, and welcome to a historic first for
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  the first time ever, yours. Truly tto are is hosting the God
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  TV radio live stream, Brett still here.
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  As you can see to my, I guess what would be Hand side of my
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  screen but maybe looks like the left to you but but yes, I'm
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  hosting the show today. The show will not be as long as
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  some of Brett's live streams that usually go like four to six
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  hours. I plan on cutting things off and
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  the two, maybe two and a half hours.
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  So you won't be in for the Long Haul on this one, but we'll
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  still be here a while. We'll still have plenty of time
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  to talk about things. I see you commenting there, a
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  damn lawyer. You asked, what is the pick?
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  ASL Arts right on my wall. That is a RPG styled picture of
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  Gohan from the Cell games that my sister made for me back in.
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  I think, two thousand fourteen or fifteen is a Christmas
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  present. She hand-painted that looks
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  exactly like an RPG Maker Style video game as far as the
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  character model goes. See you there.
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  Shayla I see you there vehicle. Yeah, I think that's about it is
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  far as the comments that I see without any further Ado.
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  I guess I'll start things off by letting you know that I'm easy
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  to find on the internet. I occasionally appear as a guest
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  on the show but I do my own content and I do it in various
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  places as matter. Fact I'll just Go ahead and
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  screenshare right now, so you can see where some of those
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  places are, hopefully it will show it on screen.
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  There we go. Sony, make sure on my phone that
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  I did this right. Looks like I did.
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  Yes I did. So, that is my YouTube channel.
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  Tto are very easy to find as far as what you type it in the
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  search bar and got some videos up, and there's plenty for you
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  to watch if you're curious to know what kind of content I make
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  on my own, but YouTube is not the only place.
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  I upload videos YouTube for nearly a decade.
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  Now, depending on who you ask, whether it be back since 2016,
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  20, 15 or even 20, 14 in some This has YouTube has been
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  engaging in various kinds of censorship, usually against
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  Christians, conservatives and Donald Trump supporters over the
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  better part of the last several years.
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  So as a precaution to myself, I decided to create channels on a
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  wide variety of video, sharing sites.
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  And on these other sites, I actually get better traffic than
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  I do on YouTube. So, first off, there's my joshu
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  TV channel, which you can see right here on the screen.
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  I know the ER, of the site. Josh, she's very nice guy.
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  Very much a champion of freedom of speech.
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  No problems with Christians, like me posting on his sites or
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  promoting the sites for that matter.
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  Joshua TV much like YouTube has a lot of the features you want
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  in a video sharing sites, such as HD videos live, streaming
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  public playlists a free restreaming system and a whole
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  lot more. It's even designed in such a way
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  is that it can be used as a Content delivery system for
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  sites like Roku. So, So Josh, you TV, not only.
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  Am I on all these video sharing sites, I'm also on Roku and I'm
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  also on Joshua radio network, which you can see in the banner
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  of my joshu TV channel. I'm also on bit shoot, which is
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  a fairly popular site in the alltech world.
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  Although I don't advertise them, like I used to because they
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  engage in a lot of the same censorship systems and policies
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  and actions as YouTube now, so they're not worth promoting as a
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  free speech alternative. But I do have almost 2300 Subs
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  on bit shoot with put, which puts me in the top 5% of
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  creators on the site which is a very, very good thing to be able
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  to brag about. I'm also on YouTube which is run
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  by the Utah Gun Exchange which is a pro-second Amendment
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  pro-gun organization in Utah. There.
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  YouTube alternative is pretty nice.
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  And Slick looks good full HD video capacity, permits.
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  The only thing it doesn't have is live streaming but it's a
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  very good site. Learn my videos there, 159 Subs.
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  If you scroll through my library, got plenty of views on
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  videos and then I'm on a wide variety of social media sites,
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  but the two main ones you can find me on our gab which you can
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  see here on screen gabs been around since 2016.
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  They used to be a free speech site but then things went her
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  wonky on there in 2020 starting with when they banned brick Keen
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  from their site. And then a bunch of other people
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  got banned and all other kinds of shenanigans happened with
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  their CEO in terms of his worldview and his hypocritical
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  actions and double standards and how he runs and moderate the
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  site. But I am on Gap, still where I
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  have 1300 followers. So if for some reason you want
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  to be on gab and follow me there, you can links in the
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  description and then I'm also on getter which is a Twitter
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  alternative that started up last year.
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  I believe it was. Yeah.
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  I was July 20 21, it's run by Jason Miller, the former
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  spokesperson for Donald Trump's 2016 campaign.
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  It's not bad but it's not great but I use it.
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  A lot of people use it. Thanks millions of people every
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  month in fact who were using it in terms of its web traffic.
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  So yeah, I figured I might as well use it and so if you're not
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  a big fan of Twitter and you want to Twitter alternative, to
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  follow me on Getters, another good one that you can do.
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  But aside from being on alt text sites myself.
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  I actually jumped into the game and made my own All Tech website
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  called creation social. But you can see here on screen
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  creation social is an open-source Altec alternative to
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  Facebook and Gap at this point and it has a lot of the same
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  features you would expect to see in a Facebook or on a site like
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  gab. And we also embed videos from
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  various sites and to So that's a nice feature.
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  Actually, I'm going to be upgrading creation, social in
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  the near future, to give it even more features than it currently
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  has. So when that happens in the
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  future and I come back here to host a show, I'll talk about
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  that more when that happens. But the other thing I'm trying
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  to do right now is start my own video sharing site.
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  Like, I mentioned, YouTube, bad censorship really bad.
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  They do it worse than anybody, but other alt text sites like
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  Eschewed and odyssey and Rumble and the whatnot.
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  They all do basically the same stuff just to a lighter degree.
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  And so I decided earlier this year, it's time to make my own
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  YouTube alternative. I've actually been thinking
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  about it since 2017 but I never had the trigger pulled as far as
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  actually starting that project goes and I wanted to give other
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  alt text sites of chance to do the job but they just weren't up
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  to Snuff. So I'm throwing my hat in the
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  ring, my sight is going to be called Here you can see on
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  screen, do you give send go campaign that I have four
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  quarter? We've current relased 8% of our
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  two thousand dollar goal. Two thousand dollars will allow
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  us to start up the site and maintain its operation for 12
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  months as well as by some plugins to add new features to
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  the site that are not in the default script that we're going
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  to use for it, it's going to be fully developed right out of the
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  bat. So we have HD videos and live
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  streaming and public playlists and probably have If streaming
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  and it'll have a bunch of other features that you would expect
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  and want in a video sharing site.
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  And I'm going to focus on making the user interface as good as
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  possible because that's something people complain about
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  with some of the alt text sites. So that's something I really
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  want to do this year. And the quicker, we can hit this
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  two thousand dollar goal, the quicker.
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  I can make this happen. I basically have everything
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  figured out. I got the guy to help me install
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  the site. I got the server's, the hosting
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  service. I got everything.
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  Accept the funds needed to pull it off.
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  And so if you can help make the quarter project, a reality,
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  you'll find the link to the gifts and go campaign, and the
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  description box below. And I also have a flatter
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  account set up for quarter so that you can do a one-time or
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  monthly tip or donation everywhere, every penny of that
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  will definitely go into the project as well.
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  So whether it's through Gibson to go or through flattered, if
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  you want to donate to the quarter project to make it a
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  reality, you can do. So today or whenever you're able
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  to do, so if you're able to do so I don't want to be the cause
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  of anybody going broken being homeless, on the streets because
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  they wanted to support me and TT.
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  You are got a question about the project that you're working on.
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  Do you do you plan on doing what old YouTube used to do?
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  Because I noticed, nobody oocytes adopted this one.
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  I think it would be a success. Allow people to post a video
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  responses underneath people's videos.
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  YouTube used to do that. And that was really successful
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  cause real interaction and engagement.
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  Yeah, I kind of remember that, and I know you've talked about
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  in past videos, unfortunately, that would not be available
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  right off the bat. But it would definitely be
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  something that we would work on installing in the future.
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  The nice part about the script that we're going to use, which
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  is called a video, is that there's a whole community of
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  developers behind it. So all I have to do is go to
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  them and talk to them and see if they can build such a thing and
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  if they can they will. And when they do, they will be
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  on the That easy. But anyway, let me set up some
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  stuff for the next little segment.
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  I want to do before we bring in other people to talk or invite
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  them to talk. Is there anything you want to
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  say? Well I'm bringing everything up.
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  Well I noticed that Ryan the Presbyterian out there, you said
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  he called me this weekend, the phone number, I give out to
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  people is a Google voice thing. So I have to actually have the
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  browser open in order to receive calls unless you leave a
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  message. Usually call people back after
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  they said, they'd give me a time that's good for them to contact
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  them. And of course people, if you
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  want to start filing in the link is out there to join and this is
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  what these shows are for to give you guys the ability to have
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  discussion with the host. Okay?
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  And making sure I got everything set up.
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  Okay, I need one more. Doo-doo-doo-doo-doo-doo
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  doo-doo-doo-doo-doo, let's see. That's the thing about them.
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  Bible verses got to bring up the same website over and over again
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  just to enter different verses but I'm already there.
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  Okay, I believe I am ready. Brett.
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  So earlier today, I did a video responding to a video put out by
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  David Falk about Genesis 11:26 but I figured since more than
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  one older Nation is to uses his argument.
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  We take a few minutes before we invite people in to join us for
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  a public discussion. I'd take a little bit of time to
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  talk about the argument in general.
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  So the argument stems from Genesis chapter 11 because
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  holder of creationist in general don't like straightforward
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  contextual readings of Genesis or any other parts of the Bible
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  and the Torah and we're going to go ahead and screen share What?
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  I have pulled up entire thing, right?
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  Come on. There we go.
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  Let's make sure everything's good on my end.
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  Slight delay here. It's right, have to add it.
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  That's such a pesky thing. Okay, there we go.
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  So we have here on screen, Genesis 11:26, which says that
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  Tara was 70 years old, when he became the father of Abram,
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  nahor and haran are not her on the heron He came back, one
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  confused, the other word. And then in Genesis 11 32, it
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  says that Terah lived 205 years and he died in her on correct
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  pronunciation of that word. And then in Genesis 12 for it
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  says, the Abram was 75 years old when he set out from her on now,
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  with a lot of old Earth creationist tend to do is they
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  will say that Abram left her on to go to Canaan with his family
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  at God's command after Tara died at the age.
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  Of 205. And so what they do is they say,
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  well, 205 - 75 equals 130. Therefore, when Abram was born
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  Tara was really 130 years old and not 70 years old, like the
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  verse on screen plainly says. Now the problem I have with this
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  methodology that they employ is that they are rejecting the
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  straightforward reading of Genesis 11:26.
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  But accepting the straightforward reading of
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  Genesis 11:32 even though they're the same chapter in
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  their written in the same style of writing, they've literally
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  have to pick and choose which scripture they want to believe
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  in which they want to reject a based on their preference.
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  They're not actually accepting it as it is and the other
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  problem I have with this methodology is that it can just
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  as easily be applied to Abraham and cause all kinds of problems
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  with multiple Says in Genesis because there are multiple
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  places in Genesis where Abraham is said to be at different ages
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  when he's doing different events.
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  So let's see what I mean by this.
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  Terah died at the age of 205. He was 70 years old when Abram
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  was born. So technically 205 - 70 equals
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  135 so Abraham should have been a hundred and thirty-five years
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  old if older of creationists are right and say that a Abram left
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  haran and went to Canaan after Tara died.
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  Obviously we see in Genesis 12 for that Abram was 75 years old.
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  So if we're going to apply the methodology of old Earth
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  creationist, we have to conclude that Genesis 12 for cannot be
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  taken. At face value, we have to
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  conclude that Abram was 135 years old and that 75 years old
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  when he left her and to go to Canaan, but the fun doesn't stop
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  there Genesis 17 1 through 2 says the Abram was 99 years old.
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  When God appeared to him, made the Covenant with him and change
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  his name to Abraham and then promised him that the next year,
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  his son Isaac would be born. Well if we're going to apply
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  that methodology consistently, we have to conclude that Abraham
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  was 159 years old, not 99 years old.
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  When this whole thing, went down in Genesis 17, furthermore
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  Genesis 21 5 says, Point Blank that Abraham was 100 years old.
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  When the son Isaac was born. Born to him.
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  Well, once again, we must apply that methodology consistently
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  across the board. And we must assume that Abraham
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  was actually 160 years old and not a hundred years old when
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  Isaac was born. Now, a lot of a lot of old
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  Earth, creationists would, probably look at the argument.
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  They just made and disagree with my conclusion and disagree with
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  how I added 60 years to the age of Abraham in Genesis 12 for and
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  yeah Genesis 12 for Genesis 17:1 through And Genesis 21 5, but
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  I'm applying the same methodology.
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  They are in the exact same way. I just applied it to Abraham and
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  not cetera. So I feel that best exposes the
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  Folly of what they're teaching. And so, as the young Earth
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  creationist, who actually believes the Bible, it's
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  actually pretty easy to resolve the issue that Boulder of
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  creationists, bring up Tara was 70.
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  When Abram was born, Abram was 75, when he left her.
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  Ron went to Canaan 70 + 75 equals 145.
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  So obviously Tara was 145 years old, when Abram left her on to
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  go to Canaan with his family. Furthermore Tara's not listed as
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  among the people who went with Abram to Canaan and it says that
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  Terah died in haran at the age of 205.
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  So it's pretty obvious that he spent the last 60 years of his
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  life in her on after Abram. And furthermore, this means that
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  he was alive during the events of Genesis 17 and Genesis 21.
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  So that's the way I respond to arguments like this, that are
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  made by older of creationists about the genealogies.
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  In Genesis, it's pretty easy to refute.
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  And their methodology is pretty arbitrary and they make
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  assertions that just aren't there in scripture and they
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  don't read the text carefully. And so that's how I tend to do.
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  Deal with stuff like this when it comes up like I did earlier
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  today. So, now that I've gotten through
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  this little bit that I wanted to share, I'm going to go ahead and
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  make the make the time that we have left open to anyone who
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  wants to talk the link to our studio is in the description box
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  below. If you're watching this on
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  YouTube, and if you're watching this on joshu TV, you'll have to
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  come to Brent Keynes YouTube channel, which we actually look
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  up. What?
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  That's what that's called. Again because he's had different
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  names at different times. Is channel is called God TV
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  radio live podcast show by Brett Keen.
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  You should be able to find it pretty easily if you go to
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  YouTube. And I'll just go ahead and wait
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  for anyone that wants to join in studio.
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  And I cor have you always been a young Earth?
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  Creationist are, did you originally started out old
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  Earth? I originally started out older,
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  because matter of fact, I was older up until who I forget,
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  when in 2014 The Bill Nye Ken Ham debate happened.
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  But I think it was earlier in that year, I saw that debate.
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  It was the first time I was really exposed to Arguments for
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  young Earth creationism. And so after that I went and
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  looked up, you know, The arguments that young Earth
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  creationists make, as far as the Bible goes, to justify their
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  belief. And what I found is that their
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  belief was taken straight from the Bible and was 100% congruent
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  with a straightforward and contextual reading.
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  And even before that point, I always prided myself on being a
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  Bible believer. And to me, if you can prove
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  something is taught in the Bible, when it's read in a
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  straightforward and contextual Manner and you can prove it, I
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  will accept it if it off. Checks out.
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  And so that's how I became a young Earth creationist was
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  through the biblical, scriptural, arguments that they
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  made, and then, of course, over time I, you know, looked into
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  scientific arguments and whatnot that they do.
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  And I started watching, you know, old Earth creationists and
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  evolutionists atheist content responding to that over the
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  years. But as far as my conversion to
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  Young Earth creationism, it happened in my mid-20s and it
• 29:23
  was a Bible issue and it wasn't a a science issue.
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  But that doesn't mean I'm afraid of science or afraid to talk
• 29:30
  about it. My knowledge of science is not
• 29:33
  as good as the knowledge that a lot of other young Earth
• 29:36
  creationist Ministries and individual young Earth
• 29:39
  creationist apologist have. But the bid I dunno, I'm pretty
• 29:43
  Rock Solid on and other things that you've read.
• 29:46
  Tto are what was, what do you would you say was three top
• 29:52
  things that really sparked it off or you aren't On young
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  Earth. Well the number two genealogies
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  and the time spans provided by Genesis Exodus.
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  And First Kings chapter 6, verse 1 was a pretty good start but
• 30:08
  then there are other things like Jesus in the gospels
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  specifically in Matthew, 19 and Mark 10 claiming to well he
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  claimed that male-female in marriage were created at the
• 30:20
  beginning of creation. And the reason why I knew we
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  know this is because in those passages, he specifically said,
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  At the beginning of creation, God, and then he gave a direct
• 30:31
  quote of Genesis 1:27, which was the creation of male and female
• 30:36
  followed up by a direct quote, of Genesis 2:24, which is the
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  creation of marriage. So, by quoting those two
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  passages back-to-back and preceding them with the phrase,
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  in the beginning of creation. God, that proved to me.
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  And two, I think any same logical reader but doesn't try
• 30:55
  to reinterpret things. That Jesus believed that Adam
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  and Eve and marriage were created at the beginning of
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  creation. And this is a claim that can
• 31:05
  only be factually. True.
• 31:07
  If young Earth creationism is timeline of history is true
• 31:10
  because it's the young Earth creationism.
• 31:12
  Timeline of history that actually has their creation at
• 31:16
  the beginning of the timeline of History, whereas in Old Earth,
• 31:20
  creationism timelines, whether it be de-aged Theory or Gap
• 31:24
  Theory, they have the creation of Adam Eve and marriage.
• 31:28
  Created towards the end of the billions of years timeline.
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  So that to me when Jesus teaches that male and female and
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  marriage were created beginning of creation, that is pretty
• 31:40
  strong evidence of young. Earth creationism is
• 31:42
  truthfulness coming straight from the mouth of Jesus, and so,
• 31:45
  that was another argument. That was really persuasive to
• 31:49
  me, because it's right there in the Bible.
• 31:52
  I don't have to guess it's right there.
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  Remember people, there's links out there in the comments as
• 31:59
  well description if you'd like to come in and have a discussion
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  like that Olivia, Olivia School. Hi, there you are.
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  Let me see if I can. Okay, that's better for now.
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  What's up Olivia? I just thought I would call in.
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  I don't know what I can add about the you know, the
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  discussion you were having earlier But you know, maybe I'm
• 32:22
  good. Well, if you want to add
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  something on that you can. If there's anything else you
• 32:27
  want to talk about. We're open to that.
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  Well, I mean as far as a, you know, it's hard, I don't want to
• 32:33
  be very dismissive of. So I want to be applied person
• 32:36
  but it's hard to not, at least for my perspective to have a
• 32:40
  respectful discussion with a young Earth creationist.
• 32:45
  Why is this thing that I find the idea of far-fetched to the
• 32:49
  point where it seems like make And that's a defensive thing to
• 32:53
  say, to someone who truly believes that, I just can't
• 32:56
  relate enough to have a discussion, do you know what I
• 32:59
  mean? Yeah, are you Christian or
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  atheist or what? I want to know we're gonna
• 33:04
  scrub. It's, I don't know it, I would
• 33:07
  say it. However, you define me as is how
• 33:10
  strict you like allowed deviation, for whatever it is,
• 33:13
  you believe, and how you define God, right?
• 33:17
  So, some people think, I believe in God in some People say I'm an
• 33:22
  atheist. Well I asked which one you are
• 33:24
  because there are certain responses I give to an old Earth
• 33:28
  creationist that I wouldn't give to an atheist.
• 33:32
  Well I wouldn't call myself an atheist so I'm not going to make
• 33:36
  some green creme lipstick then sure.
• 33:38
  Yeah I haven't heard anything that I believe in.
• 33:42
  Right? Well the reason why SEPTA
• 33:44
  straightforward contextual reading of the Bible is because
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  in numbers 12 6 through 9 God talked to Aaron Was this in
• 33:51
  Miriam because Aaron and Miriam had challenged.
• 33:54
  Moses's status is spokesperson of God and God came down and
• 33:59
  told Aaron and Miriam that when he revealed himself to Moses.
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  He did not reveal himself to him and dreams and Visions like he
• 34:06
  did other prophets and he specifically said that he spoke
• 34:10
  to Moses face to face and that he spoke to him clearly and not
• 34:14
  riddles. So, in other words, the
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  revelations he gave to Moses, he gave them to him in a
• 34:20
  straightforward manner. Manner and he did not give them
• 34:22
  to him in any kind of coded language that he would have to
• 34:25
  reinterpret to ascertain the correct and true meaning.
• 34:29
  So what that says to people like me and the other young Earth
• 34:33
  creationist is when we're reading the revelations in
• 34:36
  Genesis and Exodus Leviticus Numbers and Deuteronomy we
• 34:41
  accept the straightforward reading of those books because
• 34:44
  that's literally the reading that God said is the correct
• 34:48
  reading of those books and most of the information That leads us
• 34:52
  to believe that the earth and the universe are a little over
• 34:54
  6,000 years old are found in Genesis and Exodus the one
• 34:59
  exception being First. Kings chapter 6, verse 1.
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  So that's why we have the belief that we do and that's why we
• 35:07
  interpret the books, the way we do.
• 35:09
  It's because God literally commands has to When I have no,
• 35:14
  I just would say that, I can't claim any expertise on them.
• 35:18
  Right? So I've met, plenty of Bible
• 35:21
  scholars, who have who might disagree with your, how you
• 35:26
  define, contextual in your use of the word, contextual, and
• 35:30
  also that they don't believe that they don't have that
• 35:34
  conflict, right? So, I certainly don't claim to
• 35:39
  speak Hebrew. So I don't know that your
• 35:44
  English translation of what the Hebrew Bible says is necessarily
• 35:48
  correct. Popular older creationist
• 35:51
  apologist like William Lane Craig in the past have talked
• 35:54
  about how they actually reinterpret the Bible in order
• 35:58
  to make it line up with what the majority opinion of the
• 36:02
  scientific and academic Community says about Origins.
• 36:06
  And he even A step further and said that this was a practice
• 36:09
  that all Christians should do. But by saying this, what he's
• 36:13
  admitting is that the Bible is not, the ultimate Authority, and
• 36:17
  his might his life. And in his mind when it comes to
• 36:19
  the issue. And then there was the theistic
• 36:22
  evolutionist Perry Marshall in 2015, in his book Evolution 2.0
• 36:27
  who literally put in writing, that science was a higher
• 36:30
  authority than the Bible on Origins.
• 36:32
  And therefore, we need to let science settled the question and
• 36:35
  not the Bible. So the Entire older of
• 36:38
  criminally insane is one of reinterpreting the Bible to make
• 36:43
  it fit, whatever the majority opinion of the scientific and
• 36:46
  academic Community is now there are times where they say they
• 36:49
  don't do that but they're lying when they say that.
• 36:54
  And I can understand why you would, you know, not agree with
• 36:57
  my worldview. If you believe in deep time,
• 37:00
  Evolution, Big Bang cosmology, you strongly believe.
• 37:04
  This is the truth. You strongly believe you have
• 37:07
  good evidence for it and then you hear someone like me talking
• 37:11
  about my view on Origins. It would sound like nonsense to
• 37:15
  you especially if you believe that the evidence is on your
• 37:18
  side. So I don't blame you for
• 37:20
  disagreeing with me. I'm just saying that.
• 37:22
  I don't believe that. Geology and biology and
• 37:26
  chemistry, and physics and astronomy are lying or wrong.
• 37:32
  I have no reason to believe that as a person who functions in the
• 37:35
  modern world and can see the achievements of science.
• 37:39
  The, the smartphone that I'm using is connected, wirelessly
• 37:42
  and I can talk to anyone around the world.
• 37:44
  I'm watching you communicating with you right now.
• 37:46
  So, what you're asking me to believe is that a book that has
• 37:50
  talking snakes and Magic is real.
• 37:54
  Real. And it's a better explanation of
• 37:55
  the world and is demonstratable somehow and somehow the science
• 37:59
  is not demonstratable. Yeah, I'm using it right right
• 38:03
  now. That's really and truly how I
• 38:05
  have to let go. I don't know how you're coming
• 38:08
  to this conclusion. That science is lying when we're
• 38:11
  talking via true. Technological wonder, you know
• 38:16
  what I mean? You mind if I tell ya, you mind,
• 38:19
  if I say something just real quick for those who like to for
• 38:22
  the non-believer, Are people who have doubts who say things like,
• 38:27
  you believe in a book of talking animals.
• 38:29
  Remember the same, people usually believe that they
• 38:31
  evolved from animals and that they are animals that talk.
• 38:35
  So, yeah, I was just going to say that.
• 38:37
  I think I'm beyond that. I do believe I am a talking
• 38:40
  animal. Yes, I just don't believe that
• 38:43
  I've never seen a snake talk or a donkey talk.
• 38:46
  I don't think that, you know, but I have seen a gorilla, do
• 38:49
  sign language. So I know that we're not the
• 38:51
  only talking animals, And you know I've seen you know even
• 38:56
  with obviously communicate and I was being facetious but I'm
• 38:59
  saying that I don't believe in magic but I had an I don't
• 39:04
  believe in every scientific claim in the world either.
• 39:07
  Right. We've got all sorts of people
• 39:09
  claiming science and I don't believe in I pseudoscience or
• 39:13
  any of that stuff either. And I necessarily think that we
• 39:16
  do need to sort ideas out. I just don't see how you're
• 39:20
  rejecting All of science. To make the kind.
• 39:28
  Well, there is a saying that old Earth creationist Frank Turek is
• 39:32
  popular for saying and I actually agree with it.
• 39:35
  Science doesn't say anything scientists do, there's the
• 39:39
  scientific data and then there's how scientists interpret data
• 39:44
  and how they interpret data is dependent upon their worldview.
• 39:48
  I'm living in the same world as people who disagree with me,
• 39:51
  about Origins and I'm looking at the same data that they are.
• 39:54
  But I am, Bring it differently because of my worldview.
• 39:58
  And if you actually look at some of the things that evolutionists
• 40:02
  and atheists, and I'm not saying you believe these per se, but
• 40:05
  what I've seen in a lot of them is they teach and they teach
• 40:09
  this literally that you can have design in nature without there
• 40:14
  being a designer behind it. And I find that incredibly
• 40:18
  hilarious and self-refuting book because if we applied this
• 40:23
  argument to anything, Else they would never accept that
• 40:27
  argument, like, if I spanked and nonsensical argument and I'm so
• 40:32
  you're cherry-picking people who are using words incorrectly,
• 40:35
  perhaps a scientist. If I were to say that, well,
• 40:39
  this Blu-ray discs that I got doesn't work, when I put it in
• 40:42
  my Blu-ray player and try to watch it there for either the
• 40:45
  disc, or the player itself had no designer behind it.
• 40:50
  No one would buy that even for a second.
• 40:52
  Or if I said that a video game was really buggy.
• 40:55
  Therefore, there must be no developer behind the video game.
• 40:59
  No. One would accept that.
• 41:00
  They'd laugh me out of the room, but the one area where they
• 41:03
  accept, this argument is when it comes to Origins.
• 41:06
  They'll say, well, we can't have a God, I don't believe there's a
• 41:10
  God, and there's all this design in nature or what at least what
• 41:13
  appears to be designed in nature.
• 41:15
  So, we're going to assert that. You can have what appears to be
• 41:18
  designed in nature without a designer.
• 41:22
  I even had one evolutionist YouTuber respond to me in video.
• 41:25
  Oh, and his initial gut reaction was Justin.
• 41:28
  You're right. But that is worldview took over
• 41:30
  and he couldn't allow me to be, right?
• 41:32
  And so that's when he came up with this whole argument of you
• 41:35
  can have design without a designer.
• 41:37
  So that's why I'm okay that they teach that I can't go with ever,
• 41:43
  okay. I think we're completing ideas.
• 41:46
  So a biologists don't say that there is design without a
• 41:50
  designer people. Maybe who argue on the internet
• 41:53
  who aren't biologists Say that mistakenly biologist says,
• 41:58
  complex life exists. It either did or did not have a
• 42:03
  creation event that, you know, what I mean.
• 42:08
  But that's all that biology says.
• 42:10
  So biology is you're talking about evolution of life.
• 42:15
  Since it started, how it started, biology doesn't really
• 42:19
  say they say, they don't know how it started.
• 42:21
  That's that's that's what I learned in Biology class but I I
• 42:25
  think that obviously all life on Earth is related.
• 42:29
  We can see the genetics and it's all evidence points to a long
• 42:36
  time ago. We had a common ancestor.
• 42:38
  I mean I don't think that that's very kind, that's very
• 42:40
  controversial. That's just biology.
• 42:43
  I'm actually, very glad you said that by the way because there is
• 42:47
  an evolutionist YouTuber. Who's pretty popular name,
• 42:50
  Professor stick and a couple of years ago.
• 42:52
  When a young Earth creationist brought up exactly what You said
• 42:56
  that darwinian, Evolution teaches that all life has a
• 42:59
  single Universal, common ancestor, he claimed that this
• 43:02
  young Earth creationist was wrong and that he didn't
• 43:05
  understand how Evolution worked. But when you go to page 484 of
• 43:09
  Charles Darwin's Origin of the species work, you find Charles
• 43:13
  Darwin saying exactly what you said.
• 43:16
  So yeah, it's not when I saw that I was confused.
• 43:19
  I was like well if Darwin said it and if it's supposedly true,
• 43:23
  why wouldn't you be shouting this?
• 43:25
  From the rooftops Professor stick when she be saying, yeah
• 43:29
  see science proved what Darwin said to be true.
• 43:32
  Take that young Earth creationist.
• 43:34
  But instead, he tried to pretend that darwinian Evolution, never
• 43:38
  taught that even the science does and I was always really
• 43:41
  confused by that. So I do appreciate you bringing
• 43:45
  it up here, saying that's true. Yeah well I mean that's that's
• 43:48
  biology I mean that's why I think we should you know, when
• 43:52
  we shouldn't go with the Avenue Of looking for what is true
• 43:57
  rather than having arguments and debates for the sake of them, do
• 44:01
  you know what I mean? And so I'm not I don't want to
• 44:04
  argue necessarily and debate things.
• 44:07
  I want to like, okay, what is true?
• 44:09
  I have, you know, I took geology and school and it sure they
• 44:16
  should be, they should take a ology Sure can make a lot of
• 44:21
  money and find a lot of oil and, you know, you older younger
• 44:26
  theologist, don't get hired by the oil companies is another
• 44:30
  thing they don't, they don't, it's geologists to the
• 44:34
  scientists. Are the only ones making all
• 44:36
  that money. They can find oil, and gold and
• 44:41
  natural gas. They can find the precious
• 44:43
  metals and if their theories were wrong, they wouldn't be
• 44:47
  able to find all that stuff. I'm not seeing how that is.
• 44:53
  So what is it? What is it about?
• 44:57
  The different views of Origins, that would prevent a young
• 45:00
  Earth, creationist from being able to find oil or any other
• 45:04
  natural reserves in the ground. Be met because their theory is
• 45:07
  wrong. Thank you.
• 45:11
  You know, you can't form oil if it just got created Earth.
• 45:16
  Get created, 6,000 years ago. Older theology says that oil
• 45:20
  packets for them under certain conditions over millions and
• 45:23
  millions and millions of years. So that's one Theory.
• 45:27
  The Earth is billions of years old and plate tectonics is real
• 45:30
  and mountains. Formed this old one way when
• 45:33
  plates collide and things like that and that decaying matter
• 45:38
  from life. Against of years old is stuck
• 45:40
  underground. In a carbon, you know,
• 45:43
  compressed carbon State called oil or gas or coal younger
• 45:47
  child, you wouldn't have those same fat would interpret data
• 45:51
  even in close to the same way. I got two things to say to that
• 45:57
  one. Is that even in young Earth,
• 45:58
  creationism models, oil still exists.
• 46:02
  Even if the mechanism is completely different and to
• 46:05
  regardless of whether or not any of our worldviews are, True.
• 46:09
  What does that have to do with the ability to find oil and
• 46:13
  stuff in the ground because your argument was is that young Earth
• 46:16
  creationist don't get hired for positions to go find oil and
• 46:21
  reforms about? Well I don't I can't say how it
• 46:32
  is that they fail to find natural resources.
• 46:35
  I can just say that when I did my time as a natural gas oil and
• 46:39
  Recruiter that we only accepted applications from certain
• 46:43
  universities and they had to be accredited universities and
• 46:47
  obviously there is no young Earth accredited University if
• 46:50
  they could find oil and gas, we would hire them but we didn't
• 46:54
  care, you know, oil and gas companies aren't known for being
• 46:57
  woke there, about the green who can find the oil.
• 47:01
  And so that's how I, you know, one of these.
• 47:02
  I'm like these guys obviously can't find oil.
• 47:06
  Well, I would like to point out right now, that young Earth
• 47:09
  creationist don't just come from some universities somewhere.
• 47:13
  I mean, I went through accredited schools for my
• 47:17
  collegiate career and I have a college degree and I came out as
• 47:21
  a young Earth creationist after, I went through college.
• 47:24
  So, I don't think where you came from school wise as any bearing
• 47:28
  on, whether you're going to believe in atheism, or young,
• 47:31
  Earth, creationism, Evolution, or whatever view of Origins were
• 47:35
  talking about. Don't think where you went to
• 47:37
  school is really going to have any impact on that.
• 47:41
  There's a degrees in young Earth, creationism aren't, I'm
• 47:44
  pretty sure that there are I think one is like maybe Oral
• 47:47
  Roberts University or something like that or maybe Prager has
• 47:50
  one. Now, I'm just saying that.
• 47:52
  If those that if those ideas had true Merit that they would have,
• 47:57
  they would then the marketplace of ideas, as far as money is
• 48:01
  going that they would have something to point to.
• 48:04
  In that sphere is all. I mean, Like that, you can't
• 48:07
  that I can't find a young Earth working geologist.
• 48:12
  So you're something. So you're saying that the
• 48:16
  scientific and academic establishment would never have
• 48:19
  an ulterior motive to blackball the idea of young Earth
• 48:22
  creationism. If there was good evidence
• 48:25
  supporting young Earth creationism, I'm saying that
• 48:29
  that companies don't care about that, they care about money and
• 48:34
  that they they you know, you don't need a college degree to
• 48:37
  get hired at Tesla or to get hired it BP, you just need You
• 48:42
  be good at math or a good to find an oil?
• 48:46
  So then your view of Origins has nothing to do with that.
• 48:49
  Then your view of is the earth young or old.
• 48:54
  So whether God exists is irrelevant to the question of is
• 48:58
  the earth young or old. Well what I'm asking is because
• 49:02
  you just said they have to be able to do math and they have to
• 49:04
  be able to find a oil. And that was the requirements
• 49:07
  for it into Tesla and these oil companies.
• 49:09
  So what I'm asking you is, so you're saying that there's the
• 49:12
  view view of Origins has nothing to do with how you can get into
• 49:15
  those companies. It's all about whether you can
• 49:18
  find oil and you can do math, right?
• 49:21
  I believe that's true. I think that we, you know, that
• 49:23
  capitalism is at least in that. Respect is neutral.
• 49:27
  As far as politics goes that if you can do the job, that is to
• 49:32
  say that you'll get the job. That's and so II just wouldn't,
• 49:39
  you know? I was just wondering like, you
• 49:41
  know, whether oil companies are a conservative.
• 49:44
  Also, I mean, I'm not going to say that's true.
• 49:46
  But I think that we, they certainly are viewed as liberal,
• 49:50
  so why wouldn't they just accept like, why, why aren't there
• 49:55
  working young? Earth geologists is my any of,
• 50:00
  you know, of any like, I'm not. Okay.
• 50:01
  I'm not going to even make the claim LEDs.
• 50:03
  I've looked and I worked at oil company.
• 50:05
  I never heard of one eye. You know, is there one?
• 50:09
  Do you know of any, like, the company?
• 50:11
  Were the younger than geology claim?
• 50:13
  Like, is there a mineral company with is there a Christian, young
• 50:17
  Earth, creation, Mineral Company.
• 50:19
  Well, I don't know the answer to that one, but if you look up
• 50:22
  young, Earth creationist Ministries and various people
• 50:24
  within them. You will find young Earth,
• 50:26
  creationists, who are either former geologist or their
• 50:30
  current geologist, just depending on where they're at,
• 50:33
  they do exist. They're just not the majority in
• 50:36
  the community. Yeah, well, I mean, the titles,
• 50:41
  I don't even trust titles from universities but, you know,
• 50:46
  whether it It like is the Jihad who like someone who's like I've
• 50:49
  got a degree in geology. That doesn't necessarily mean
• 50:53
  geologist to me, but That's going to apply for science yet
• 50:58
  people claiming it too. But I, you know what I mean, I
• 51:02
  just would like to I'm not trying to that's not the only
• 51:06
  reason. I don't think that it's just one
• 51:07
  of the reasons I'm like, where's some, you know, why would I
• 51:10
  believe the Earth is 6,000 years old?
• 51:13
  It just doesn't make any sense to me.
• 51:15
  Like I want to believe in all these things.
• 51:17
  I learned I was a Pentecostal when I was a kid but he just
• 51:21
  doesn't seem true. What do you mean by it?
• 51:25
  Doesn't. True.
• 51:26
  Can you elaborate on what that means?
• 51:29
  Like the stories, like the stories of the Bible seem very
• 51:34
  much like myth in magical thinking, and not true.
• 51:39
  And I'm not saying that, like, I'll say that, you know, I
• 51:43
  believed in Jesus, for the longest time and I still think
• 51:46
  that he was a smart guy who has good ideas, but I think that we
• 51:50
  should not lead the Bible as a literal historical and
• 51:54
  scientific document that it's More about how did how you're
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  supposed to live and behave and even then maybe not, you know,
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  because you got to take just Jesus's version like be nice to
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  one another love your neighbor as yourself that sort of a thing
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  but let's not. I don't know, Stone adulterers,
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  you didn't come, you do. Realize Jesus spent half his
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  ministry, claiming to be the very God that you don't believe
• 52:22
  he exists, right? I've read it both ways.
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  So I since I'm not going to put the effort into reading, the
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  Bible outside of the quotes. I had to memorize his, a kid,
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  I'll just kind of believe in the nice Jesus rather than the
• 52:38
  spiteful Jesus Jesus is that Oh sorry.
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  Back while I'm working on my website and some other stuff
• 52:46
  right now. I just wanted to hop in and
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  mention something. You said that how can I achieve
• 52:51
  that goal and Cindy are on the screen because they're not on
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  camera. They're just doing the audio
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  bit. I know the time that's why it's
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  playing tricks on my I don't like what's going on.
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  Yeah yeah I've always wanted to go to thanks for ya.
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  You said that they don't have young Earth, creationists
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  working with oil fields and all this kind of stuff for oil.
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  I don't know of any I'm not saying there are none that
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  exist, I don't know. Argument let's say Olivia that
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  your argument is correct that they absolutely won't have a
• 53:39
  young Earth creationist at all work.
• 53:41
  There what? At the fact that 90% of
• 53:44
  scientists do believe in a God. And there's a lot of people up
• 53:47
  at Nasa that do, does that somehow add credibility to God
• 53:50
  for you now? Well, yeah, I mean, I think that
• 53:54
  the idea of God is reasonable. I know?
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  I'm not an atheist. I'm just saying that.
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  No version. I've heard Seems I don't believe
• 54:05
  any version I've heard so I'm just going to say that to most
• 54:09
  people. I'm an atheist.
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  That's how but you know because I just reject what it is.
• 54:13
  You most likely believe you said that the idea of God existing
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  was reasonable. What do you mean by that?
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  What makes you think that? There's a God that exists even
• 54:23
  though you don't subscribe to any religion.
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  Well It depends on how you wanted to find God.
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  You can define God out of existence by making God
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  logically impossible. To me like, God is the Alpha and
• 54:40
  Omega all-encompassing power. They ever could possibly exist
• 54:45
  in his totally of Nishant omnipotent.
• 54:48
  Then I'm going to say, maybe that's I'm not gonna, man.
• 54:51
  That sounds kind of why even go all that way, or you could just
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  say, God is everything, is the living embodiment of the
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  universe? Then I'll go.
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  Yeah. That's seems very likely to be,
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  you know, a true thing that our universe itself is a conscious
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  being and not being as God. So basically if God is
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  impersonal, then you don't really have a problem with the
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  concept. No, I got can be personal, but
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  if you're going to claim that God is a personal God, I'm going
• 55:25
  to see need to see some evidence of that personal God and well
• 55:30
  and what would qualify as evidence that you would say?
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  Yeah, that's legit. Well, I grew up going to church
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  has with faith healing and I always asked, why doesn't God
• 55:43
  heal amputees, are burn victims or mental retardation.
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  Why does God always heal lower back pain, and headaches and ear
• 55:51
  pain? And can I ask a question?
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  Sure, go ahead response to that to that statement that she just
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  made, you know, actually got answered that question at the
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  burning bush and several other places in the Old Testament.
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  So I'm wondering just because God refuses to heal amputees or,
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  you know, you know, people with other physical ailments that it
• 56:15
  doesn't necessarily that doesn't mean that he doesn't exist or
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  that. He's not a good God or that he's
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  not able to bring healing. Miraculous healing to people.
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  Just I think all of these things that exist within people,
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  despite how detrimental that maybe to both society and the
• 56:33
  individual themselves in some way, shape, or form, bring glory
• 56:36
  to God, you know, and we throw our finite minds or looking at
• 56:41
  just one thread of that entire rug if you will, and not getting
• 56:45
  the big picture. So I mean, I think there needs
• 56:49
  to be a little bit more nuanced with the claim that You know
• 56:53
  what, this guy lost his arm or this guy, who was born with no
• 56:55
  arms therefore we can say that God is either either exist or
• 57:00
  he's either good. So I think there needs to be
• 57:02
  more nuanced on the part of those making those conclusions.
• 57:06
  Well, I'm in the context of I'm out of Faith healing and being
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  taught as a kid, that God heals things.
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  If you're sincere and you believe and have faith, right?
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  So I'm just saying that, it sure is odd that none of the He's got
• 57:23
  healed or had enough Faith or the burn victims, didn't or the
• 57:26
  people with mental retardation or down syndrome.
• 57:29
  Those kind of people didn't get healed because I'm just saying
• 57:33
  that that's just the cakes. What about be buddies go, what
• 57:37
  about? I'm a little skeptical myself.
• 57:40
  Nowadays with when I hear a charismatic, talk about the
• 57:43
  supernatural experiences. They've had witnessed but I'm
• 57:46
  not going to. I'm not a cessationist either.
• 57:48
  I'm not going to flat out say that God doesn't do this
• 57:51
  anymore. Because there's sent the reason
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  is very simple because I'm not God, I don't have a mission
• 57:57
  knowledge. So I wasn't there when they've
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  witnessed these things and either way you so you can't
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  really I don't think in and out saying that you particularly
• 58:06
  Olivia, but with anyone? No one.
• 58:08
  Who is a non-believer kid. Assert that these things don't
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  happen. Why?
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  Because I've never bore witness to it, you know what I mean?
• 58:15
  So, so why not just say that I've been to so many 10?
• 58:18
  Revivals and I was a charismatic, Pentecostal. and
• 58:22
  I've seen speaking in tongues and, and I'll just tell you It
• 58:29
  just felt made up to me. Like I can say, I know my mom
• 58:33
  was sincere he had taken in by it.
• 58:35
  I don't think that they had preacher.
• 58:37
  I think he was like the movie that Steve Martin made.
• 58:40
  I think that they're in the Perry's, cooped up in the world.
• 58:44
  I think there are the fairest people in the world, who take
• 58:46
  care of the gullible and that's, I don't know that God isn't
• 58:51
  real. I'm just saying that, no faith
• 58:53
  healing church I've ever been to, or No.
• 58:55
  Tara, vital of ever being team seems like it was true.
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  It seems. And that's what I appreciate
• 59:01
  your position there. Because you're speaking
• 59:03
  subjectively and you're being honest about it, you not being
• 59:06
  dogmatic, or are you not speaking objectively about it?
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  You're not saying that just doesn't happen.
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  You just saying that through your own personal experience and
• 59:14
  observation you've never seen any of these things or you have
• 59:17
  you're not convinced that this is a validation of the god of
• 59:21
  the Bible, right? So I appreciate your position.
• 59:25
  Yeah. I would just say that that all I
• 59:27
  would I would change my mind. In a moment, if I saw Allegro, I
• 59:31
  would think it would do would be easy.
• 59:34
  It would be easy, right? If I saw leg regrow after
• 59:38
  someone said, please God heal my leg and I saw like I believe
• 59:43
  that God healed alack and besides that would be science.
• 59:50
  You can do silence on guys. I see.
• 59:52
  See that's that's where I'm I slightly disagree with you but
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  that's more of a segue into a different kind of Conversation
• 59:59
  regarding theology, more theological and soteriological.
• 1:00:06
  You know. I don't know what some other
• 1:00:08
  Christians here are. I'ma hold to What's called the
• 1:00:11
  calvinist view or reformed View and it's scaring me.
• 1:00:16
  Yeah, how Mr. Like God, these are picked people to go to hell
• 1:00:20
  or pick people to go to heaven. Well again, see, there you go,
• 1:00:23
  you got it, you got it, you got it, depending on which Calvin
• 1:00:26
  has, she talked to, and in which your Standing of Calvinism
• 1:00:29
  actually is a lot of people that attack Calvinism, have a skewed
• 1:00:34
  idea of what it is. Often a lot of straw man going
• 1:00:37
  on but I don't want to get into that topic now unless you guys
• 1:00:40
  want to but but I'm just saying the reason why I'm bringing it
• 1:00:43
  up is because I in my view this is just my opinion.
• 1:00:47
  I know some other Christians might disagree but I don't
• 1:00:49
  believe that you would that you seeing a leg growing or an
• 1:00:54
  amputee you know, grow some limbs would The main thing
• 1:01:00
  that's going to, you know, wake you up and say Jesus is Lord,
• 1:01:04
  bring you to Faith. Okay.
• 1:01:06
  The best thing because what we're going to end up seeing is
• 1:01:08
  over and over again. What we see why it wouldn't
• 1:01:10
  necessarily be Jesus. It depends on if they pray and
• 1:01:15
  they pray to God and God regrew like I believe in God I wouldn't
• 1:01:19
  necessarily believe in Jesus because let me tell you this guy
• 1:01:23
  Toby is singer this Jewish rabbi Rock to break it down.
• 1:01:27
  What I used to believe. Leave is far as the Bible goes.
• 1:01:31
  If you ever get scared of this guy, oh yeah, he's, but he's
• 1:01:34
  afraid to have a debate with Michael Brown, you know.
• 1:01:37
  So Michael Brown is probably one of the best Christian apologists
• 1:01:41
  against guys, like Tobias singer and Toby, sing at his made it
• 1:01:45
  very clear, that he will not debate this guy again because
• 1:01:47
  well, for whatever reason, so I don't know.
• 1:01:50
  Be right back in a moment. I'll be right back.
• 1:01:59
  Real quick up real quick. Real quick, I'm going to respond
• 1:02:03
  to someone when I posted that link the showing that ninety
• 1:02:06
  percent of scientists believe in God of some form.
• 1:02:11
  This person wrote. Oh, so you're using a website
• 1:02:14
  called God evidence.com. Would you prefer?
• 1:02:16
  I use atheist hate God.com or something to get the information
• 1:02:21
  from Okay, real quick because I know other people want to speak,
• 1:02:34
  but the reason why I brought up the issue of whether or not you
• 1:02:37
  believe if you actually see these things happen before your
• 1:02:40
  very eyes is because again, we threw my personal observation.
• 1:02:47
  Since we went to speak of all things temporal, we've seen
• 1:02:50
  constantly over and over again, atheists, hear testimonies
• 1:02:54
  maybe, even bear witness to some Supernatural events.
• 1:02:59
  They always tried. They go out of their way to come
• 1:03:01
  up with some naturalistic materialistic explanation for it
• 1:03:04
  or they just simply say we don't have an answer for it, but
• 1:03:07
  science in the future will come up with an answer like you know,
• 1:03:11
  and that's a that's usually the time response that we get.
• 1:03:14
  So so that's why I'm saying that.
• 1:03:16
  If you were to see, I'm not saying that you won't, because,
• 1:03:19
  I don't know your mind, I'm not God, but I'm just saying, I have
• 1:03:22
  strong doubt that if you were to see a limb grow right now,
• 1:03:26
  right? Before your eyes, in the name of
• 1:03:28
  Jesus, Hi, me personally. I have very strong doubt that,
• 1:03:32
  that could end up bringing you to Faith.
• 1:03:34
  You would just end up coming up with a naturalistic explanation
• 1:03:37
  for it. Speaking of Miracles, Jesus
• 1:03:41
  raised Lazarus from the dead. And the response of his enemies
• 1:03:44
  was to say, not only killed Jesus kill Lazarus again to.
• 1:03:50
  Yeah, that's why he looks. That's what people would do
• 1:03:54
  today. If we've something person
• 1:03:55
  raised, Go zombie up. Do you remember what?
• 1:04:03
  Paul says in First Corinthians 2:14, but the natural man.
• 1:04:07
  Receiveth not the things of the spirit of God for why they are
• 1:04:11
  foolishness unto him. Neither can he know them?
• 1:04:14
  Because they are spiritually discerned.
• 1:04:17
  What are the things that that are spiritually discerned?
• 1:04:19
  The things that are of God? The spirit, the things that
• 1:04:22
  speak about the spirit of God, that the supernatural things,
• 1:04:25
  the spirit spiritual things, these things that we talked
• 1:04:28
  about, Foolishness to the Natural mind.
• 1:04:30
  They are foolishness to The Atheist and the materialist, and
• 1:04:33
  the reason why they can understand it because these
• 1:04:36
  things that we speak about you, no, resurrection of the Dead
• 1:04:38
  being, you know, people being healed of physical ailments,
• 1:04:41
  these things require spiritual discernment but see the atheist
• 1:04:46
  and natural mind because they find this type of stuff.
• 1:04:49
  Foolishness, the only way that they have to explain away these
• 1:04:53
  type of things that they're seeing, is through some
• 1:04:55
  naturalistic attempt or materialist.
• 1:04:58
  Opt, maybe. That's right.
• 1:05:01
  Yeah. I think that we are the
• 1:05:07
  embodiment of God's actions that God doesn't do magic in the
• 1:05:12
  world. We are God's magic.
• 1:05:15
  That's why we are created. God wants good things in the
• 1:05:19
  universe. God doesn't say magic.
• 1:05:20
  Good things humans. Do the good things by.
• 1:05:23
  The decree of God, we are God's will on this plane of existence.
• 1:05:28
  It not some magic miracle. That would only exist because we
• 1:05:34
  are the miracle and we make the magic happen right now.
• 1:05:37
  Not only apply if you were actually following the will of
• 1:05:40
  the god you're talking about. If you reject that God, you're
• 1:05:43
  obviously not going to do what he wants.
• 1:05:45
  I mean, well, let's just let's jump past is God, real.
• 1:05:49
  Why should I believe in your God?
• 1:05:53
  And I say this to any Muslim to any Jew or a Hindu or seek,
• 1:05:57
  whatever, why would I believe in you?
• 1:05:59
  Why would what are they? What evidence is there to say?
• 1:06:02
  That? Jesus is real versus Muhammad is
• 1:06:04
  Right vs. Shiva is right.
• 1:06:07
  You mean, besides all the historical documentation outside
• 1:06:10
  the Bible that says, not only that Jesus exists, but he also
• 1:06:14
  performed miracles to support his claim to be God.
• 1:06:18
  And that his resurrection from the dead was reported by his
• 1:06:21
  followers after three days, So, besides all of that wouldn't I
• 1:06:25
  wouldn't count? That's the Bible.
• 1:06:28
  No. No.
• 1:06:29
  Roman is no reaction. I'm not so sure about.
• 1:06:32
  There's like what one, Roman historian?
• 1:06:35
  Who wrote something down? I don't know that.
• 1:06:38
  Try eight of them and they all right.
• 1:06:39
  Different details. And they all end of the first
• 1:06:42
  century beginning of the second century.
• 1:06:44
  Yeah, you should know by now that that there is only a small
• 1:06:48
  handful of atheists in this in the world that actually reject.
• 1:06:53
  The the the fact that Jesus existed, and these other
• 1:06:56
  economic, you didn't know that there's a minority, I mean,
• 1:07:03
  there's at least 100. I mean, there's 100 scientists
• 1:07:06
  who don't even think Socrates was real, you know what I mean?
• 1:07:10
  It's as if you don't write anything down, eventually, you
• 1:07:15
  will be suspicious as being fake reg, whether you're Jesus,
• 1:07:18
  whether you're Socrates, whether you're King Tut, it doesn't
• 1:07:23
  There's more documentation for Jesus in his life than most
• 1:07:27
  popular ancient figures of History.
• 1:07:29
  So if you're going to go down that route you can't really cast
• 1:07:32
  doubt on Jesus's existence. Well whether he's God manifest
• 1:07:37
  is the doubt like do it is why would I believe why?
• 1:07:41
  Would I believe Jesus Is God, I mean I think this might be a
• 1:07:45
  prophet and when I bring up the Roman historians they didn't
• 1:07:50
  write from the perspective of oh yeah.
• 1:07:52
  Thing Jesus said was true. These were people who didn't
• 1:07:55
  care about Jews, who didn't care about Christians, the fact that
• 1:07:59
  they even specified Jesus, by name is a miracle because they
• 1:08:02
  tended to not care about Christians and Jews, and they
• 1:08:06
  usually call them out by name. They give you certain details in
• 1:08:09
  each of their different accounts.
• 1:08:11
  And then you take all the accounts together and you put
• 1:08:14
  all the details together to paint the overall picture.
• 1:08:17
  You get a Jesus that is congruent with the New
• 1:08:19
  Testament, gospels, but is less detailed.
• 1:08:22
  They are. So if we go down the road of
• 1:08:26
  non-biblical sources, it actually lines up pretty well.
• 1:08:29
  If the New Testament gospels regarding Jesus, the gospel
• 1:08:32
  simply provide, you information that the Roman historians don't
• 1:08:37
  like how people reacted to Jesus teachings and his claims and his
• 1:08:41
  miracles. If those things are true, right?
• 1:08:46
  I don't I've never seen a miracle so I find Miracle claims
• 1:08:50
  to be very dubious. I'd have to see one to believe
• 1:08:53
  one. Also.
• 1:08:57
  The claims of what Jesus is seem rather strange, they don't make
• 1:09:03
  much logical sense to me, so I find them hard to believe.
• 1:09:08
  For example, why did Jesus have to come and sacrifice himself so
• 1:09:13
  that he choose to forgive us? That makes no logical sense to
• 1:09:17
  me. Why would God have to kill
• 1:09:19
  themselves to forgive me? They could just I forgive you.
• 1:09:24
  I love that question. And I would challenge every
• 1:09:27
  Christian to take on trying to answer that question.
• 1:09:31
  Yes. I was just going to say Jesus
• 1:09:34
  explained why he was doing that in his Earthly Ministry, it was
• 1:09:37
  to pay the ransom, for all the people of the past, the present,
• 1:09:41
  and who would come in the future, who would sin against
• 1:09:43
  God, he was making payment for their sins.
• 1:09:47
  So that if they repent and enter into a personal relationship
• 1:09:51
  with God, the sacrifice Jesus made Would be applied to their
• 1:09:54
  sin Ledger. They'd be forgiven of their
• 1:09:57
  sins. And then when they stand before,
• 1:09:59
  God, instead of God seen all of their sins and their crimes
• 1:10:02
  against him, he sees the righteousness of Jesus, and he
• 1:10:06
  allows them to spend here. The same person though, Jesus Is
• 1:10:09
  God, I think, I think she's really, yeah, really Yeah I
• 1:10:15
  think what she's really trying to ask an Olivia could correct
• 1:10:18
  me if I'm wrong because ask questions too is that if Jesus
• 1:10:23
  Is God and God is God. He's he possesses.
• 1:10:26
  What's called the Sadie, he is so sufficient he doesn't depend
• 1:10:29
  on anything outside of himself in order to exist or to consist
• 1:10:34
  or to maintain whatever. Right?
• 1:10:36
  Why was he under any obligation to make salvation attainable in
• 1:10:42
  the fashion that he did? Hi, I'm Steve.
• 1:10:45
  Judgment day. Was he obligated to do any of
• 1:10:47
  that? The answer is no.
• 1:10:49
  They did not need to do any of that.
• 1:10:51
  People say to Scott could be an evil monster, that is correct.
• 1:10:57
  The creator of the universe is nice if he could be better.
• 1:11:01
  According to what standard? What's the objective standard
• 1:11:03
  that exists outside the human mind?
• 1:11:05
  That is greater than God. That's what I'd like to know.
• 1:11:08
  Like if God is torturing their creation for fun, they're not
• 1:11:12
  nice I'm not gonna have any problem saying so According to
• 1:11:15
  what standard? Oh yeah.
• 1:11:18
  If I'm being tortured, I know what torture is, right?
• 1:11:21
  So if God storage good, as if you're going to called got a
• 1:11:24
  torture, let's just say, God doesn't have to be nice.
• 1:11:28
  Well, okay, then I reject me and God send me to Hell.
• 1:11:32
  Well the god of the Bible doesn't torture any human being
• 1:11:36
  for eternity. He only does that to Satan and
• 1:11:38
  his demons according to Revelation, the people who are
• 1:11:42
  not in the Book of Life who were humans.
• 1:11:44
  They Experience. What is called the second death,
• 1:11:47
  which occurs at the Lake of Fire.
• 1:11:49
  So dilation in your in an isolationist you and
• 1:11:52
  Annihilation, just okay? Just well revelation, 22 gives
• 1:11:58
  me the idea of Hell. The idea of how is an evil
• 1:12:01
  concept that no just God, would create a help.
• 1:12:06
  That's why I'm not that the Bible makes it clear.
• 1:12:09
  That hell is just a holding cell that people, go to until the
• 1:12:12
  great white Throne judgment. And then those Whose names are
• 1:12:15
  not found in the Book of Life. They're tossed into the Lake of
• 1:12:17
  Fire. They experience the second
• 1:12:19
  death, and that's it for them. There is no Eternal conscious
• 1:12:22
  torment for anyone other than Satan and his demons, which now
• 1:12:27
  tonight earlier in the book. Now, let me respond to that.
• 1:12:30
  Now, Olivia, let's say the case is true, that Eternal conscious
• 1:12:33
  torment exist. Again you still got to answer
• 1:12:35
  the question. What standard are you going by
• 1:12:37
  to determine objectively? That this would be an inherently
• 1:12:41
  immoral thing and it's torture. Placate, is there an objection?
• 1:12:47
  We're talking about morality Bill Moran here.
• 1:12:50
  Same, there's no objective. I'm taking a band.
• 1:12:53
  Nobod tortured just portraits. Okay, it's okay.
• 1:12:56
  And then that's it. Yeah, but he's not even me.
• 1:13:00
  Well, you're not giving me an objective standard to tell me to
• 1:13:02
  prove to me that torture for all eternity is actually immoral.
• 1:13:07
  You giving me opinions, you given me a perspective, but
• 1:13:10
  you're not giving me anything objective.
• 1:13:12
  I don't know. It is up to you.
• 1:13:14
  I mean, there is no objective in that way, right?
• 1:13:19
  So I would objectively say that torturing like we could go and
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  say, hey, let's torch this kitten.
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  Do you think this kitten is enjoying this activity?
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  It would be a genuine that you said it was the only thing
• 1:13:34
  exactly with the only thing detective about that would be
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  that the fact that you actually stated it but you're not, we can
• 1:13:42
  just look at maybe But it's what happened, but it's not answering
• 1:13:47
  a question on the moral nature of the thing and we do not
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  giving us the standard. I think Chris and I think
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  Christian Christian Christian I don't know you're saying that
• 1:13:58
  that torture is okay. I don't know that I trust your
• 1:14:01
  moral standard oh no we're saying that.
• 1:14:03
  Everything that God does is in Harold Lee just so might makes
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  right. Is what you're saying?
• 1:14:10
  No to everything. Based on himself because he is
• 1:14:26
  the Alpha and Omega. There's nothing greater than
• 1:14:29
  because he's a tough, that's not how it works.
• 1:14:31
  No, because you have a standard or thing that's greater
• 1:14:43
  than God that allows You to condemn any of God's actions as
• 1:14:48
  wrong or torture. What's I mean certainly that you
• 1:14:51
  know it's if might makes right God is right.
• 1:14:54
  If God is the toughest thing in the universe now for using
• 1:14:57
  something like, I don't know. I I personally think torturing
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  teachers is wrong and parents who torture their children like
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  burned with cigarettes when they're bad or molest them or,
• 1:15:08
  you know, set their legs on fire or anything.
• 1:15:10
  Those people are bad, maybe you disagree, I'm just saying we
• 1:15:13
  agree. But, you know.
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  No, I just think that that's wrong.
• 1:15:17
  It's okay, well, we Christians agree with that.
• 1:15:21
  But the question is, why do you say that?
• 1:15:24
  It's wrong. Why do we, why do we say what we
• 1:15:26
  say? That's what he's truly.
• 1:15:27
  Concurrent causes pain and suffering.
• 1:15:30
  There we go. Because it causes what say that.
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  One more time, pain and suffering.
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  There you go. See you can't see that the
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  natural mind cannot escape from the fact that they when they
• 1:15:43
  when the issue of morality. Comes up.
• 1:15:45
  They cannot get away from being subjective with their position.
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  They have to go buy some form of pragmatism conventionalism.
• 1:15:54
  Good, where do you think? I'm glad that you said that all
• 1:16:04
  you're doing then by making these complaints about you have
• 1:16:07
  the right to. I don't want to kill the
• 1:16:09
  conversation. I'm just saying that when you
• 1:16:11
  make these complaints about God being a moral monster, you You
• 1:16:15
  should you fail to show anyone here?
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  Buying up through an objective means to prove that that is
• 1:16:19
  actual actually the case. What you're doing, you have no
• 1:16:23
  choice but to resort to some form of subjectivity, which he
• 1:16:26
  doesn't complication that, then your arguments the arguments
• 1:16:33
  about God being a moral monster, or would be a more Monster if
• 1:16:37
  such-and-such Will true arbitrary.
• 1:16:40
  I think we need to take a timeout here on this argument.
• 1:16:43
  We should give Cindy a chance to talk Thanks teaching.
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  Hi Olivia. Hi, um I really appreciate how
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  you started out by saying that you wanted to be respectful even
• 1:16:58
  though you don't respect the yak position and I want to validate
• 1:17:07
  what you're saying about pain and suffering being immoral.
• 1:17:12
  Because that's what we know on this planet.
• 1:17:16
  If somebody inflicts pain and suffering on us their immoral,
• 1:17:22
  He'll when I first became a Christian was one of the hardest
• 1:17:26
  things for me, too. swallow and as I've walked through life and
• 1:17:33
  had people, Steal and rape and Gaslight and abuse the shit out
• 1:17:44
  of me. I have come to understand why a
• 1:17:49
  loving God would not allow that to go on checked.
• 1:17:55
  He does wish the Bible says he's not willing that any should
• 1:18:00
  perish but that all should come to repentance.
• 1:18:04
  And so we allows that shit to go on for a while giving them
• 1:18:09
  chances kind of like Pharaoh we gave him ten plagues.
• 1:18:14
  And Pharaoh hardened, his heart. I think it was nine times and
• 1:18:20
  then the tenth time, God, hardened Pharaoh's heart.
• 1:18:24
  But I I from what you see on the planet, how man abuses men, how
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  man abuses children? And I don't mean man, like the
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  gender, I mean, right? Yeah. there are things that go
• 1:18:44
  on on this planet, that are hell, Worthy That's my position
• 1:18:52
  and I when I agree with you I'm sorry I do agree with her but I
• 1:18:57
  don't want to believe in God so that I can believe in Revenge on
• 1:19:03
  my enemies. That's a horrible reason to
• 1:19:05
  believe in God. Well, God doesn't seek revenge.
• 1:19:09
  I mean the very Versed and that's why I referred In order
• 1:19:19
  to avoid what's coming to them. He doesn't want to judge anyone
• 1:19:23
  for their crimes. But the fact of the matter is,
• 1:19:25
  some people are going to be judged for their crimes because
• 1:19:28
  they don't want to take the out that God gives them.
• 1:19:31
  He's given us, every at we can get, even though we don't
• 1:19:34
  deserve it. And I think that's very loving
• 1:19:36
  for him to do. Maybe I mean, I do appreciate
• 1:19:41
  what you said Cindy and I and, and I don't dismiss it.
• 1:19:44
  What you say, all. I just kind of think that gosh,
• 1:19:48
  this is already kind of hell, you know, what, what's that,
• 1:19:52
  what could be worse than what we're already in?
• 1:19:55
  Do you know, they mean? Well, oh my goodness.
• 1:19:59
  You have no idea when you go to a courtroom and you're being
• 1:20:05
  victimized, it's very Precious. When the judge says that man is
• 1:20:14
  lying or he did this that, and I see the evidence.
• 1:20:21
  You're correct. He did this to you.
• 1:20:23
  You need restitution, restitution is not the same as
• 1:20:27
  Vengeance for an evil motive. It's, there's a sweetness about
• 1:20:33
  Justice. Okay.
• 1:20:38
  And then can I ask a real quick question about Justice, because
• 1:20:43
  I'll call you what my one main one of the main problems I have
• 1:20:46
  with Christianity has always been about Jesus and salvation
• 1:20:51
  headed to get out of jail free card.
• 1:20:53
  You can behave any sort of way for your whole life and then I'm
• 1:20:58
  saying I got, I believe in Jesus, therefore, I'm safe and I
• 1:21:02
  hate, you know, come on some of the worst people on Earth there,
• 1:21:04
  Chris Because they believe in that I actually provided the
• 1:21:09
  Bible doesn't teach that exactly.
• 1:21:13
  Bible antinomian smile agree with you if that were the case.
• 1:21:18
  However, that's false teaching because if you continue to do
• 1:21:25
  what God says, God died for Jesus died for sins.
• 1:21:30
  Right? So, if you're going to keep
• 1:21:31
  doing sins, well then you're you're in disagreement with him.
• 1:21:36
  If you're going to say I'm sorry I stole that from you here.
• 1:21:41
  Let me give you four times what I stole that's fruit in keeping
• 1:21:47
  with repentance and without fruit in keeping with
• 1:21:52
  repentance. Just a simple word that says oh
• 1:21:56
  I accepted Jesus in my heart is quite frankly, bullcrap, and
• 1:22:01
  Jesus isn't going to buy it any more than you did.
• 1:22:05
  I think you're seven Matthew 7:21-23 says, there's going to
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  be a lot of people who claim the name of Jesus and claimed that
• 1:22:14
  all these great works in his name.
• 1:22:15
  And when they finally meet him at the Judgment, they're going
• 1:22:18
  to be told by Jesus, I never knew you away.
• 1:22:21
  Never you evildoers? Wait, wait, TTL, right?
• 1:22:24
  He says that I used to know you but you screw it up.
• 1:22:27
  So now you're done. Right.
• 1:22:28
  That's what the verse actually says right?
• 1:22:31
  No no. Anybody can fact check that.
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  Okay. Okay now I got you I like to do
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  that sometimes but yeah I also they Bible gives very strong
• 1:22:42
  emphasis on the transformative power of the Holy Spirit as
• 1:22:45
  well. So you don't it's not just you
• 1:22:48
  know regeneration is not a verbal or vocal proclamation of
• 1:22:53
  your allegiance to Christ. There's an actual change that
• 1:22:58
  comes with it as well, which is what we call regeneration.
• 1:23:01
  So yeah, so you're not going to What zbornak?
• 1:23:07
  Well that's that's part of it. But yeah regeneration.
• 1:23:14
  Yeah, I was just going to say real quick.
• 1:23:17
  If you guys all kinds of patches, I won't go through them
• 1:23:19
  all. But you know, second Corinthians
• 1:23:21
  5:17. Therefore If any man be a new
• 1:23:22
  creature, he is a, you know, you know, old things are passed
• 1:23:25
  away, behold All Things become new.
• 1:23:27
  So all you got all these evidential that passages, that
• 1:23:29
  talk about how a person is transformed.
• 1:23:32
  It doesn't mean that they stopped sending overnight.
• 1:23:34
  It just means that there is a change with Eyes to the sin that
• 1:23:37
  they once used to commit and they don't justify it anymore
• 1:23:41
  than now they're convicted by even if they do it in the dark
• 1:23:44
  and when no one else sees them, they still feel remorse regret.
• 1:23:48
  You know, conviction conflict, that kind of thing.
• 1:23:52
  The number doesn't have those kinds of things, but glad I
• 1:23:55
  wanted to agree with Livy. On one other thing that she
• 1:23:58
  said, in terms of the faith healing, I think that her
• 1:24:04
  observation that there's charlatan He's out there and
• 1:24:08
  she's the word nefarious who are using the gospel as gained,
• 1:24:12
  they're using the gospel to line their pocketbooks and Jesus
• 1:24:19
  agrees with you on that too. And he's gonna spew them out of
• 1:24:22
  his mouth. And it makes me really upset
• 1:24:28
  that that kind of fraud in the church made you conclude that
• 1:24:31
  the whole church was a fraud or that Jesus was a fraud or that.
• 1:24:37
  This is Christianity. No.
• 1:24:38
  Thanks. And I guess I just want to
• 1:24:43
  validate you that Jesus agrees. And he was harshest with those
• 1:24:48
  who were in the church, the Pharisees he called them a brood
• 1:24:51
  of vipers because he cares to Princeton unique, the House of
• 1:24:56
  Prayer into a den of Thieves, he's agreeing with you.
• 1:25:03
  Yeah, and I'm going to religion. I just, you know, once I decided
• 1:25:09
  that I grew up in a cult, I hot picking something new isn't very
• 1:25:13
  simple. I can create a kind of scorched
• 1:25:16
  Earth, policy for the more pure forms of Christianity.
• 1:25:20
  If you're only exposure was to a cultish sect of one.
• 1:25:24
  Yeah, I've been in a cult as well.
• 1:25:26
  And I know people who left to say the same thing.
• 1:25:29
  They don't want anything to do with the church ever again.
• 1:25:32
  And it's sad because I believe that Jesus was the god of
• 1:25:42
  creation. Come to Earth to make to give us
• 1:25:46
  an olive branch. And that the proof for the the
• 1:25:56
  evidence that he was God's son, the Creator son was in the fact
• 1:26:03
  that he had the power of life and was able to resurrect both
• 1:26:07
  himself. Lazarus gyrus is daughter and
• 1:26:12
  the Widow's son and there is non scriptural.
• 1:26:19
  Extra biblical evidence for the resurrection and if you Google
• 1:26:23
  that there's some really good stuff on that which I found
• 1:26:27
  really compelling and that's one of the reasons why I was able to
• 1:26:34
  come to Faith. And add to what you were talking
• 1:26:42
  about earlier, Olivia about not liking charlatans and swindlers
• 1:26:47
  who use the gospel for their own personal gain.
• 1:26:50
  I as a bible-believing Christian am right there with you.
• 1:26:54
  I hate that stuff, too. Why don't I don't use that stuff
• 1:26:58
  for my game. When I make the content I do,
• 1:27:01
  and I make the arguments that I do, I say all this stuff because
• 1:27:05
  I really believe that I don't make money off of this.
• 1:27:07
  I don't like, yeah. Really will.
• 1:27:10
  I know, I mean, those Faith healing make a vow of Faith tape
• 1:27:14
  creatures, you know, Robert Tilton.
• 1:27:16
  I mean, the the ones who I'm talking about word disc, we
• 1:27:19
  could easily all agree on who they are, you know?
• 1:27:23
  But I don't think outside but, you know, the kind of Jesus, I
• 1:27:28
  would believe in Wrightwood is the universal.
• 1:27:31
  Jesus, meaning I'm a Universalist if I'm going to be
• 1:27:34
  a Christian that Jesus, is if what you're saying is true, get
• 1:27:38
  Jesus. God and Jesus died for all of
• 1:27:40
  our sins. That that.
• 1:27:43
  There's no sin. I can commit ever.
• 1:27:45
  That isn't already forgiven, Jesus can't fail at a task.
• 1:27:50
  Therefore, I am always forgiven, therefore nothing I do is going
• 1:27:55
  to get into heaven, meaning some faith.
• 1:27:57
  I have is irrelevant right. Bible though is it doesn't stop.
• 1:28:04
  The Bible doesn't stop. There is get to go to.
• 1:28:09
  Sorry, I think they would ruin Heaven.
• 1:28:12
  They remind me that. I don't know what, I don't know
• 1:28:14
  how to say how evil people will be judged, but I can just say
• 1:28:19
  that in the logic of what of it is is that we're all forgiven
• 1:28:24
  that that that's what the sacrifice was for that.
• 1:28:28
  We're just forgiving that that that it's fulfilled.
• 1:28:31
  It's done. Right sir, what is this on
• 1:28:35
  repentance, you have to agree, confess me.
• 1:28:38
  Ins agree. You have to agree that that
• 1:28:42
  certain things are sin. And then repent, you can't just
• 1:28:46
  keep going on your Merry way, and ignore everything.
• 1:28:49
  He tells us about how to behave and they will.
• 1:28:53
  I'm forgiven. So it doesn't matter.
• 1:28:55
  I mean, I'm gonna go thank because I'm forgiven.
• 1:28:59
  Well, that is not logical. It's fine.
• 1:29:04
  A hard question, I don't know. Yeah, as much as I would love
• 1:29:08
  for. But either be saved, I really
• 1:29:10
  honestly would and I cry for those that I love and I pray
• 1:29:15
  that they will have a deathbed conversion, but I do think that
• 1:29:19
  repentance is the prize we have. Well, I think being good, it may
• 1:29:24
  be because could not agree with the Lord.
• 1:29:28
  I don't think that you have to have a specific thing, you
• 1:29:31
  believe, it's what I mean, that, I think that you don't have to
• 1:29:34
  be a Christian, right? You don't have to believe in
• 1:29:37
  Jesus, that Jesus has no ego, right?
• 1:29:40
  So a Muslim can go to heaven, or would you or or a Hindu.
• 1:29:44
  As long as you're a good person in your car trouble.
• 1:29:47
  Oh boy, I don't care. I think the Bible was written by
• 1:29:52
  people. Well, you know, and translated
• 1:29:56
  by humans in space. I think that was written.
• 1:30:01
  God use those humans like we use pens to write stuff so I don't
• 1:30:04
  really see why that's an argument because I don't trust
• 1:30:08
  the god did anything? No, I don't trust the other
• 1:30:11
  human. We have.
• 1:30:12
  Well, if you can't trust nothing, people wrote down that
• 1:30:14
  you can't trust anyone. Who tells you that evolutionary
• 1:30:17
  theory isn't or billions of years is true because you begin
• 1:30:20
  to men and he wrote it down to, you beat me to the punch.
• 1:30:23
  I was just going to say, I didn't know we were talking
• 1:30:26
  about writing things down. I thought we were talking about
• 1:30:30
  To lose some and well yeah everyone saved, no matter what
• 1:30:35
  they do as a point may be done. No matter what they do but maybe
• 1:30:40
  intention fruit in keeping with repentance.
• 1:30:44
  Yeah. Like if you're a good person and
• 1:30:46
  you do your best and not Leanna, never any of us be perfect for
• 1:30:50
  repentance comes when you acknowledge that, the Bible
• 1:30:53
  standard of morality is true and that you have sinned against God
• 1:30:57
  by that standard and you repent of those.
• 1:31:00
  Those sins and accept Jesus. That's the only time when you're
• 1:31:04
  these Ovation occurs, the coolest what I must accept.
• 1:31:08
  This is where I think this is wrong.
• 1:31:19
  I wanted to say, sometimes I regret son.
• 1:31:25
  Let's lay it out. What's that Vehicles?
• 1:31:26
  Do a spot a real quick. A few years ago, one of the
• 1:31:30
  things that I used to encounter by atheists that I would, I
• 1:31:33
  would come up with a scenario like, you know, who knows?
• 1:31:36
  You know, they were asked to do you think Adolf?
• 1:31:37
  Hitler's in heaven. I says I don't know.
• 1:31:39
  They like, what do you mean you don't know Isis?
• 1:31:41
  Well, I mean for all I know he could have been an utter
• 1:31:44
  sincerity and his dying breath turned to Christ and repented is
• 1:31:48
  and you think that he would be in heaven after all the evil
• 1:31:50
  that he's not. I said absolutely if he truly
• 1:31:52
  repented of his sins at his dying breath On and Only God is
• 1:31:56
  the one who can see the sincerity of that then I believe
• 1:32:00
  that we would see him in heaven. Yes.
• 1:32:02
  But if he didn't then it's pretty obvious but if you
• 1:32:04
  didn't. Right wait so now here's my
• 1:32:07
  problem with universalism. My problem with universalism is
• 1:32:10
  that you know, these people, the same people agree with us
• 1:32:15
  regarding how Justice ought to be performed.
• 1:32:17
  Right. It's but they're saying that
• 1:32:19
  instead of the person who is that guy?
• 1:32:25
  Sandy you're going to have to reload your for some reason
• 1:32:27
  you're having issues over there. Any time you try refreshing
• 1:32:32
  coming back in that kind of thing.
• 1:32:35
  Yeah, yeah, that happens with me sometimes but see buddy
• 1:32:40
  universalism one doesn't have to repent and you know, ask Christ
• 1:32:45
  to forgive them, they can do whatever they want and then why
• 1:32:48
  they'll still end up going to heaven?
• 1:32:49
  Why? Because, well, God is a
• 1:32:51
  Universalist and he wants he desires that none should perish.
• 1:32:55
  That all look up to repent this but but they don't have to come
• 1:32:57
  to repentance under universalism instead of going to heaven.
• 1:33:01
  Yeah, right, right. So when you complain Olivia
• 1:33:04
  about the pain and evil and suffering in the world, you
• 1:33:06
  should be rejecting universalism.
• 1:33:08
  Because in that world view, none of that gets punished.
• 1:33:11
  Everyone gets away. Exactly, everybody's going to
• 1:33:13
  heaven, including you know, I often get me.
• 1:33:16
  Good, right. I'm trying to be like, it might
• 1:33:19
  be good if none of that matters. What she's now Universalist
• 1:33:24
  though? Either right.
• 1:33:25
  That's just who I just think. I don't know that everyone gets
• 1:33:29
  in, but I don't think that you have to have a, there's a magic
• 1:33:32
  incantation nor do, I Think Jesus or God are truly
• 1:33:35
  egomaniacs that require our worship or our acknowledgement.
• 1:33:40
  I just think that is wrong. It sounds wrong to me that you
• 1:33:43
  worship me. Jesus doesn't want to worship.
• 1:33:46
  Jesus is not an egomaniac. Jesus forgives, you and loves
• 1:33:50
  you. How come when his disciples
• 1:33:52
  worshipped him in the Gospel of John and the others?
• 1:33:55
  Hospitals. He didn't say anything negative
• 1:33:57
  to them in response. Why did he accept their worship
• 1:34:00
  then? Yeah.
• 1:34:01
  Thing boring people. Worshiped.
• 1:34:03
  Jesus, as God. I'm not aware that people with
• 1:34:12
  the baby. It doesn't make much sense.
• 1:34:31
  You're gonna tell me Kings from around the world, stood up for a
• 1:34:34
  baby and a teenage mom and he's nothing special and has to get
• 1:34:40
  crucified. That doesn't work.
• 1:34:42
  We can clearly show. You several passages where Jesus
• 1:34:45
  is worshipped and he'd never rebuked.
• 1:34:47
  Anybody should ever go go. There's a whole bunch of them.
• 1:34:52
  Yeah, there's a whole bunch. Good one, Patrick.
• 1:34:56
  Yeah, all's weren't talking about.
• 1:34:58
  Oh, got a screen share. I think we're sortie.
• 1:35:05
  Isn't the scriptures? You, if you I know.
• 1:35:10
  But she said that Jesus never accepted worship.
• 1:35:12
  And here we have in John 20, verse 20, 28 and 29.
• 1:35:17
  Said to him, my Lord and my God, then Jesus told him because you
• 1:35:22
  have seen me. You have believed blessed.
• 1:35:25
  I have not seen and yet have believed.
• 1:35:28
  Wait, I think he was cussing, that's what I think.
• 1:35:32
  So, when Thomas said my Lord and my God, Jesus was saying that,
• 1:35:36
  you believe I am those things and people who haven't seen me
• 1:35:39
  in believe, those things are more blessed.
• 1:35:43
  So, Jesus accepted being called God, he accepted being called
• 1:35:47
  worship, except it prayer, he accepted worship, he never
• 1:35:51
  rebuilt anybody. However, we do see the With
• 1:35:56
  angels and maybe a cult leader, but he had some good ideas.
• 1:36:01
  That's what one of the Roman historians claimed but that's
• 1:36:03
  not borne out by the evidence. Yeah, yeah, you know, I mean
• 1:36:08
  worship, right? I'm accepting as much of the
• 1:36:14
  Christian myth us as I can to try to work with the culture
• 1:36:17
  that I live in about how to convince people to not be
• 1:36:21
  shitting humans and how did not be shitty human myself.
• 1:36:25
  Cause I don't want to be but gosh I'm not going to if you
• 1:36:30
  really want to get down to it. Any guy who thinks his God is
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  crazy and that's going to include Jesus.
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  Stupid question, you? Yeah, we seem like a really
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  really kind person. You love.
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  Love love and compassion. How can you explain how an
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  unguided process to Nature gave you all these abilities to have
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  this kind of love and peace for people.
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  Because I think that Evolution provides for that, that we
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  evolve to get morality, because it helps us that working in
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  communities and having families provided security for me to
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  trial, that it would help you though.
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  Can you explain how this the ones that had it survived
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  better? That's how it works.
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  So that's the process of natural selection.
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  Don't even care if you die. No, he doesn't.
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  There's a care if you suffer, no, as Evolution ever seen you a
• 1:37:30
  Christmas card or a no, it is never done.
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  Do any of these things? Well, because those things
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  create a structure, like create individuals who have better
• 1:37:42
  chance of survival. Like, if people like families,
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  that have who love and take care of one another, their kids
• 1:37:48
  survive more and have more kids, that Evolution doesn't care if
• 1:37:52
  You die. Or if you evolution is just the
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  process, that happens. The only things that are the
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  beans themselves. No, it's not.
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  Well, I mean, it's Guided by the things alive.
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  But you said that, you just said that it picks, what will help
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  out the living? There we go, doesn't take
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  things. Either help or don't help.
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  Right? So the things that have
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  advantages to live, and the things that have disadvantages
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  die, and that's how it works. So, if you don't have kids into
• 1:38:22
  the Next Generation, you, you don't pass on your genes.
• 1:38:27
  So, you know, angry loners who are violent.
• 1:38:30
  They tend to not have too many children.
• 1:38:34
  And people who have morals and live in communities, and help,
• 1:38:37
  their friends and neighbors and family, they tend to stick
• 1:38:40
  around people, stick up for them, they don't die, they have
• 1:38:42
  families. They give, you know, people help
• 1:38:44
  them out when they're having a rough time, you know.
• 1:38:47
  That's so that means they have more kids and then those people
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  like the idea of evolution, like it's a thing.
• 1:39:04
  Well, no, no, I'm asking you what are these these called
• 1:39:07
  these mutations that you speak of, that was brought into the
• 1:39:11
  species to make it give a damn the what makes people care, I'm
• 1:39:17
  asking you through Evolution, what did it?
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  What is the name of these jeans? Are these setups that created
• 1:39:23
  this construct of morality Well, I mean we got us we got a
• 1:39:28
  complex and enough brain to understand them and form these
• 1:39:33
  ideas, we made them up. What are the name of the
• 1:39:36
  mechanisms that started this? So I don't moral system.
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  Well, more. Well, as other animals have
• 1:39:46
  these moral systems to, you know, you can watch YouTube
• 1:39:49
  videos of dogs helping each other out, you know, protecting
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  their injured friend or cats doing the same thing or even
• 1:39:56
  less. Beings creatures.
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  So at a certain point, like it's part of our biology to have
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  empathy for your fellow creature, you know, there it is.
• 1:40:07
  There's a lot of people that whose very existence in life
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  Behavior would disagree with that.
• 1:40:13
  Well, that's, that may be true. Right?
• 1:40:15
  There are abnormal people and there's not one clear path.
• 1:40:21
  That anything takes like there's a definite advice, survival
• 1:40:25
  advantage to being In an evil person and just eating your name
• 1:40:30
  with me. Let me, let me show you
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  something real quick and then explain to me because you're a
• 1:40:34
  compassionate kind person. You seem like you have a lot of
• 1:40:37
  good ideas in your head, but how do you explain things like this?
• 1:40:43
  I can't explain evil, right? I don't understand evil.
• 1:40:47
  I don't really comprehend it. And probably the existence of
• 1:40:51
  evil is one of the great mysteries of, you know, why?
• 1:40:55
  I don't just believe in God. God, created evil, okay?
• 1:40:58
  Then you're not real powerful. You think about that?
• 1:41:02
  It sounds to me as though you're actually convinced an objective
• 1:41:06
  evil does. In fact exist, you keep saying
• 1:41:09
  this over and over evil. Is real.
• 1:41:13
  Now, think about this, Olivia. If there is such a thing as
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  objective evil, then, there must also be objective.
• 1:41:19
  Well, no, it's a subjective evil.
• 1:41:22
  Like morality when I speak in Morality, I am speaking.
• 1:41:26
  Truly subjectively I don't have any objective truth because I
• 1:41:30
  can't, you know, if I'm going to Clay I don't claim some
• 1:41:33
  objective food as far as good or bad or things like that.
• 1:41:37
  Yeah, big know. I may speak with conviction, no,
• 1:41:41
  I know. Mr. Trudeau's I might speak with
• 1:41:44
  conviction like I believe me anymore you're basically saying
• 1:41:49
  he was nothing more than an opinion.
• 1:41:50
  Now I don't believe in objective facts necessarily know but you
• 1:41:56
  don't behave that way. We can see in your conversations
• 1:41:59
  with us trying to do you really believe evil exists like I
• 1:42:02
  believe just doing this I believe.
• 1:42:07
  Yeah. Well, I had to give up whether
• 1:42:13
  torture was evil, so I don't have nothing claim.
• 1:42:17
  Olivia, Olivia, you know, in your heart that there is true
• 1:42:21
  evil out there. You know, that if a guy goes out
• 1:42:24
  there and rapes murders, mutilates children, you're going
• 1:42:27
  to consider clear everything and you feel it in your guts.
• 1:42:31
  So don't just try to see that. It's an opinion.
• 1:42:33
  It's wired into, you know what the difference between good.
• 1:42:36
  Well, that's what, that's what I was, you know, going for
• 1:42:39
  earlier. But in that debate where, I'm
• 1:42:42
  you know you're saying, what's the objective truth?
• 1:42:44
  I'm like, I don't know, I don't know, you're not good.
• 1:42:46
  It's not going to be a book on a deck that I haven't seen written
• 1:42:49
  by God. What we're seeing here on our
• 1:42:53
  interaction with you in this stream is that when you talk
• 1:42:56
  about evil, you talk about it. As if it's very real, it's very
• 1:43:00
  personal and makes you very upset.
• 1:43:02
  Your won't reaction, is that it's real.
• 1:43:04
  But then when your worldview kicks in you for using it, that
• 1:43:08
  it's not real. It's just a subjective.
• 1:43:10
  No. I I don't know.
• 1:43:14
  The argument is correct. If you only believe your robe
• 1:43:19
  you strongly enough, I don't think you'd be as emotional as
• 1:43:22
  you are when you talk about evil and pain and separate them,
• 1:43:26
  we've always bad. But for example earlier I you
• 1:43:30
  didn't accept that. I, you know, that torture is
• 1:43:34
  objectively evil and so I have nothing outside of that.
• 1:43:38
  So I would say so then I gave up Being any objective morality to
• 1:43:44
  move the conversation along. So in our conversation, I give
• 1:43:49
  I've already seceded it. Okay, let's just drop objective
• 1:43:52
  Morality In that if we can't agree that torture is
• 1:43:56
  objectively, evil outside of a book telling us.
• 1:43:59
  So then we just can't agree on one more.
• 1:44:04
  Let the record show that tto are never has and never will endorse
• 1:44:08
  torture just right Olivia Explain why it is that you say,
• 1:44:18
  where you get this idea or concept of this, he was trying
• 1:44:22
  to get you to basically concede. That there has to be an
• 1:44:25
  objective creator of reality in order for you to make statements
• 1:44:29
  like this. He wasn't trying to say
• 1:44:31
  tortures. All right, that.
• 1:44:32
  Hey, let's everybody get to it. You know, kill some kids, right?
• 1:44:37
  He's okay. Well, I was like, well, I don't
• 1:44:40
  have any factoid that Proves objective morality so I can't
• 1:44:45
  like okay I'll give up that idea and a few, don't be honest
• 1:44:48
  position is exactly honest, you know.
• 1:44:51
  Yeah, yeah. And that's all I was saying is
• 1:44:53
  that, you know, whenever I have these discussions with atheists
• 1:44:56
  or anybody who takes morality to be a subjective.
• 1:44:58
  I said, listen man, if all you're going to say is that this
• 1:45:02
  is my opinion, I think this is wrong because he got a yatta
• 1:45:06
  yatta fine. I'll leave it at that.
• 1:45:08
  The problem, then with the contention comes, when they make
• 1:45:11
  statements about somebody else's worldview or somebody who's
• 1:45:15
  view, whose contrary to their own and then they say, oh,
• 1:45:18
  that's wrong. That means you're an evil
• 1:45:20
  person. Well, okay, now you have an
• 1:45:22
  obligation to explain to us how, you know, for a fact in an
• 1:45:26
  objective fashion that this person's view of this moral
• 1:45:30
  action is wrong. And this is where I think this
• 1:45:33
  objective is fails to give an answer.
• 1:45:38
  Because they can't help. But to resort to, again, some
• 1:45:41
  form of subjectivity, where pragmatism utilitarianism
• 1:45:44
  conventionalism, you know, consequentialism all rooted in
• 1:45:49
  some form of subjectivity, but they can't get it, they can't
• 1:45:53
  get away from that. I'd like to take a little break
• 1:45:56
  here. He's been in this room for
• 1:45:58
  several minutes and I haven't seen him flash of ding-a-ling.
• 1:46:01
  So I'm assuming this your lizard.
• 1:46:05
  Yes, good. I was right?
• 1:46:08
  This is basically like to talk about mr.
• 1:46:10
  Lizard, since you're here. They just went over.
• 1:46:14
  Certain topics are brought up, I will.
• 1:46:17
  Okay. Hey I just wanted to acknowledge
• 1:46:19
  that while we talked. It ta Titi or I'm about to head
• 1:46:23
  out but I'm justjust curious. Nothing big.
• 1:46:26
  Well, what's your what's the T? T0 are stand for just curious.
• 1:46:29
  It's an acronym for truth, the objective reality truth.
• 1:46:34
  The objective reality. Yes.
• 1:46:37
  There's a there's a colon between truth and right.
• 1:46:41
  Gotcha. Gotcha.
• 1:46:42
  All right. Cool.
• 1:46:43
  Well, that's nice. Talking everybody Olivia.
• 1:46:46
  It's good talking to you great, talking to you.
• 1:46:49
  You're very pleasant person. So I appreciate it.
• 1:46:51
  Thank you, Brett. Always a pleasure.
• 1:46:55
  I'll be seeing you soon. Michael.
• 1:46:57
  Don't forget to check out the links in the description.
• 1:47:01
  You can check out tto our Channel.
• 1:47:02
  He's got some really good content over there.
• 1:47:05
  So this is eckle, folks, make sure you check out his channel
• 1:47:07
  as well. He's a fantastic artist Buckle,
• 1:47:11
  always a pleasure to talk to you.
• 1:47:13
  Is that that's subjective? That's subjective, right?
• 1:47:18
  They're definitely. All right.
• 1:47:23
  Well guys, take care and God bless.
• 1:47:30
  Constantly keep kid. I don't like that.
• 1:47:38
  So how do we go from here as we near the end of this magic
• 1:47:42
  Journey? I just think that I am the
• 1:47:46
  happiest Rock snot and that God looks on.
• 1:47:50
  And I think that all of us rocks not here on Earth.
• 1:47:54
  If you look at us from Google Maps, I think that we are rocks,
• 1:47:57
  not, and there's nothing to be ashamed about.
• 1:48:02
  All right. I don't really have a response
• 1:48:04
  to that. Why do you believe your box?
• 1:48:07
  Not were there? I just think why not?
• 1:48:18
  So, since you're here, Olivia, and since we spent so much time,
• 1:48:21
  talking religion, and worldviews, is there any Topic
• 1:48:24
  in your mind that's not related to any of that that you'd like
• 1:48:27
  to talk about here on the stream?
• 1:48:30
  I think that we should be nicer to one another in this nation
• 1:48:35
  and stop trying to make hateful laws against LGBT people because
• 1:48:40
  we are great. Ed nice.
• 1:48:44
  Are we referring are we referring to Florida by any
• 1:48:48
  chance? Yes, Florida.
• 1:48:51
  And there's other states to not just Florida.
• 1:48:54
  But Florida is the meanest so far.
• 1:48:57
  Well, I guess since you're here, and since we've brought this up,
• 1:49:01
  I've read the bill in question. It's caused all this brouhaha.
• 1:49:05
  And in a nutshell, it basically just says that with certain age
• 1:49:09
  kids, you're not allowed as a teacher to talk about sexual
• 1:49:12
  topics that, basically, the kids have to be much older before,
• 1:49:16
  you can even think about entertaining such a discussion
• 1:49:19
  with them, what I'm wondering is what's wrong with that?
• 1:49:24
  Well, I think that Having a rainbow flag in your classroom.
• 1:49:29
  Doesn't necessarily teach children to have sex.
• 1:49:33
  I know I do. That's not what the bill is
• 1:49:35
  condemning. It's are not allowing its
• 1:49:37
  discussion about your sexual life with children.
• 1:49:40
  That's what the bills condemning what it would do.
• 1:49:45
  So you have to talk about intercourse or is it just
• 1:49:48
  mentioning that you're not cause you're not allowed to talk about
• 1:49:52
  us with, right? We can agree on that.
• 1:49:56
  So that Common sense. But my problem with milk because
• 1:50:00
  the bill is just that, my understanding though, is that it
• 1:50:04
  is more than just stop, right? If it were just that we wouldn't
• 1:50:07
  have a problem. My understanding is that a gay
• 1:50:12
  teacher has to quit, their job, rather than get sued, because
• 1:50:17
  that's the provision of the bill that they got to school from
• 1:50:22
  their honeymoon, to their husband, and they had to lose
• 1:50:25
  their job because It's somehow a violation of the law and they're
• 1:50:28
  going to get sued. Did they talk about all this
• 1:50:31
  stuff with their students? Your bitch.
• 1:50:33
  What did they say? No, they didn't say they had
• 1:50:35
  anal sex with her husband they said they went on their
• 1:50:38
  honeymoon with her husband. How was riding wrong way because
• 1:50:44
  you assume that being married how sexual what are you gonna
• 1:50:48
  hold that standard? Does this train teachers to?
• 1:50:51
  Well, I just think it's weird. I don't think straight teachers
• 1:50:55
  should be talking about their sex lives of children.
• 1:50:57
  Either would mention that was be serious.
• 1:51:01
  How is saying? I was just got back from my
• 1:51:03
  honeymoon teaching children about sex, but to be fair, I
• 1:51:07
  haven't had a chance to read the article.
• 1:51:09
  You out there might be an Did I read an article?
• 1:51:13
  I read an article last week that a teacher took all their clothes
• 1:51:16
  off in class inside to run around in circles.
• 1:51:19
  So, I don't know. I got to read the whole article
• 1:51:21
  to see what's going on. Teachers been doing some weird
• 1:51:24
  stuff lately. Not the kind of stuff that used
• 1:51:26
  to do, in my classroom. There's been a lot of stories
• 1:51:29
  over the years, about teachers grooming their students who were
• 1:51:33
  like 14 and veloso bills. Like this are basically part of
• 1:51:38
  making sure things like that. Don't happen and there.
• 1:51:41
  R have been teachers who have openly talked about their sexual
• 1:51:44
  lives. We have children of the ages
• 1:51:46
  that the bill says, you're not allowed to talk to.
• 1:51:48
  So that's why the bill is existing right now.
• 1:51:52
  Why it was passed. All right, so here's what
• 1:51:55
  actually happened according to hold on a second, hold on.
• 1:51:59
  According to this, it wasn't just a matter.
• 1:52:02
  Somebody talking about honeymoon, they were having out,
• 1:52:05
  Pride bracelets to high school students.
• 1:52:08
  Okay, we promoting and endorsing I don't know if your voice isn't
• 1:52:14
  high school student. Why is that talking about sex?
• 1:52:17
  A rainbow bracelet isn't sex? Why Olivia I'm not trying to be
• 1:52:22
  cold or anything but you claim to have read the article and you
• 1:52:25
  kind of misrepresented. I'm not sure what I said rainbow
• 1:52:29
  flag so a rainbow does not represent sex but first off in a
• 1:52:34
  honeymoon doesn't represent section D and you said young
• 1:52:37
  children. High School is not young.
• 1:52:39
  Young children. High School.
• 1:52:41
  Is it dumb age of puberty? I don't know if you want to
• 1:52:47
  continue down that road because if you're under 18 In your a
• 1:52:51
  minor you're not an internal minor.
• 1:52:53
  Is not a baby. There's a you said
• 1:52:55
  age-appropriate rainbow bracelet is age appropriate for a 15 year
• 1:53:00
  old Why wouldn't it be well, the article also.
• 1:53:06
  It's probably important, doesn't extend to any of these machines
• 1:53:10
  up. And you can you hear me Brett
• 1:53:16
  first and then lizard go? This also says, this was a
• 1:53:21
  substitute teacher. It only been on the job for a
• 1:53:24
  little bit decided to start promoting all these different
• 1:53:27
  things. So this wasn't like a consistent
• 1:53:30
  teacher that had been around for years and then all of Sudden
• 1:53:33
  this happen apparently. They had had policies and rules
• 1:53:36
  and how they wanted things and he didn't give a damn.
• 1:53:40
  Yeah hehe. So what was lizard going to say?
• 1:53:46
  I wish I was asking, does it have to do with basically
• 1:53:48
  anything and everything? That even though lives you
• 1:53:51
  something gay? I don't want our time about the
• 1:53:56
  bill itself. Yeah.
• 1:53:58
  Like basically picked up throught the prohibition of any
• 1:54:01
  of that stuff. Yeah, it was a really short
• 1:54:04
  bill. I think it was like 9 or 10
• 1:54:06
  pages in length. The thing, I remember seeing
• 1:54:09
  that was the park cause and all the brouhaha was that basically
• 1:54:13
  it prohibited teachers from having conversations about sex
• 1:54:18
  and sexual, activity and homosexuality and all that stuff
• 1:54:22
  with children below a certain age.
• 1:54:23
  I think it was like Maybe third grade and Below, you couldn't
• 1:54:27
  have those conversations with students of that age.
• 1:54:30
  It's either third grade or maybe it was fourth grade like they
• 1:54:34
  allowed like past a certain grade, they deemed it
• 1:54:36
  appropriate, but below a certain grade in age they deemed it not
• 1:54:41
  appropriate to have those conversations with those
• 1:54:43
  particular age children. That's what the bill was saying
• 1:54:47
  from my reading of it. Yeah, I understood, it was K
• 1:54:52
  through 3 K through third grade but then now hearing people just
• 1:54:57
  know it's all the way through all of public education.
• 1:55:00
  You're not allowed to say, it's okay to be gay.
• 1:55:02
  Well, which is you should be able to say.
• 1:55:05
  It's okay to be gay to Children. Additional like schools can make
• 1:55:09
  their own policies that aren't part of law that they can
• 1:55:11
  prohibit stuff like that. Especially if they're like a
• 1:55:14
  private school or something. If they don't want any kind of
• 1:55:17
  activism going on at all on campus and they just wanted to A
• 1:55:20
  neutral place of learning and growth in that regard.
• 1:55:24
  Then they can certainly enact their own policies which may
• 1:55:27
  actually be the case of the story.
• 1:55:29
  We were talking about just a little bit ago about that,
• 1:55:31
  substitute teacher, it could be, they just had a policy that
• 1:55:35
  didn't allow that kind of activism.
• 1:55:37
  And he just had this Locker, was violated, said, their policy was
• 1:55:42
  violated and that if he was actually informed, but he went
• 1:55:46
  ahead and did it anyway. So, apparently, He was more
• 1:55:50
  interested in him now. Pride bracelets to the kids and
• 1:55:54
  actually do what the job informed him to do.
• 1:55:57
  That's the way it works. So TT work, you go up to your
• 1:55:59
  job right now and they tell you, I got rules and you give them
• 1:56:03
  the middle finger and say up yours asshole.
• 1:56:05
  I'm going to do what I want to do.
• 1:56:06
  Well, you should expect that, it's time to go packing, right?
• 1:56:10
  Right. Yeah.
• 1:56:11
  Of course, I had a horrible job experience where people like
• 1:56:14
  that didn't get punished at all and I got punished for following
• 1:56:17
  all the rules and doing a good job.
• 1:56:19
  So, My personal experience, conflicts a little bit with
• 1:56:22
  that, but I get what you're saying.
• 1:56:26
  I just think that, regardless of that teacher, whether or not,
• 1:56:30
  why would he handed it out to everyone?
• 1:56:32
  I agree. But children need to hear that.
• 1:56:35
  It's okay to be gay because they hear that, it's not okay to
• 1:56:40
  much. Olivia, how would you feel if it
• 1:56:44
  got turned around and people started going up into the
• 1:56:48
  schools and handing out bracelets, save, it's okay to be
• 1:56:51
  straight. In fact, it's more awesome
• 1:56:53
  sauce. Would, you would you feel that
• 1:56:55
  that caused the problem? Oh, did they already do that?
• 1:57:06
  Oh my gosh. The entire culture is
• 1:57:09
  sex-obsessed and heterosexual, the constant reinforcement of
• 1:57:14
  via all the religions and just all advertising, just the
• 1:57:19
  culture, everything is straight obsessed and kind of
• 1:57:22
  sex-obsessed, but I saw more love you too.
• 1:57:44
  Very few commercials have lgbtq people in them very far.
• 1:57:56
  I mean it depends. No, but the fact is, they are
• 1:58:00
  represented in way more ads than they should be.
• 1:58:03
  Why I don't think we're in nearly enough ads.
• 1:58:08
  Because there's not that many I don't watch many ads but I don't
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  know. I can't think of out of sight of
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  a few and I would only know them because conservatives get upset,
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  but I've never really seen a gay ad ever.
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  I just never seen it. If that mean.
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  She doesn't watch much TV or similar content on?
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  Streaming internet sites. Congratulations.
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  Yeah. I guess.
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  Maybe that. I've not where it's at.
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  I mean, I just don't watch. I mean I guess I don't see like
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  mainstream things where I think normal people would be not, you
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  know, like non-gay people I don't know, I don't actively
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  seek them out. Do you know this person called
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  this one guy? Yes, he is a toggle attacked and
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  he owes me 50 bucks. But he's not going to do
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  anything. He's like to do anything.
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  Loose, not right. I'm very racist.
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  I'm very racist. So, I might accidentally say
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  racist, joke, here, and there be careful with that.
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  If you do that, my hair will light on fire.
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  No, the screens delete it and get the channel is Strike.
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  Don't be don't strike. Don't sound right?
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  That's a, that's a damn lie because I'm very racist on my
• 2:00:00
  streams and I haven't gotten one taken down yet.
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  Well we're not going to do that. Anyway, that's right.
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  Now your chance I'm a very lovable racist.
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  People tend to like oh look at that race is, he's very handsome
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  and cute. I'll be the bad guy.
• 2:00:33
  I was just doing a check up on something and you still getting
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  the suck though and let's not in a good way.
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  Huh? Well yes protect your channel.
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  Don't let people just say anything.
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  They think they can say, yeah, I don't think it'll racism is cute
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  or adorable so thank you. Yeah.
• 2:00:55
  I do see someone who would say that probably had not good.
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  Intentions may be. Are there listening to me edgy?
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  Because that's what a lot of people do so well, that's pretty
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  edgy. I've seen plenty of that in
• 2:01:10
  young people these days. Well, also act, it's a weird
• 2:01:15
  form of activism from some people.
• 2:01:16
  They'll go in. I'm going to do this bad thing
• 2:01:19
  and give you a chance to block them and boot them out.
• 2:01:22
  And if you don't then you accept responsibility for the bad thing
• 2:01:25
  that they said they were going to do right now.
• 2:01:28
  There is one more thing and I know this going to come off.
• 2:01:32
  Full. But this because they have been
• 2:01:34
  flagged in their own channel, it looks like they get what 5
• 2:01:37
  subscribers then their mom and uncles watching the nobody else.
• 2:01:41
  So of course they gobble for it. Yeah that's part of the whole
• 2:01:45
  story behind any of their Channel stuff either so I
• 2:01:48
  wouldn't comment on that at this point give him a couple more
• 2:01:52
  years they grow up and mature a little bit.
• 2:01:54
  They can come back. Yeah everyone can get a second
• 2:01:58
  chance. It's all About the love, love.
• 2:02:04
  We need more love in the world and I need, who's a prepper, in
• 2:02:08
  case of the end of the world. I need to find somewhere to flee
• 2:02:10
  from Houston. What?
• 2:02:13
  I don't think, we're not going to go into the ground like
• 2:02:22
  beavers or something like that. We want to find the biggest
• 2:02:27
  place for the impact going to happen.
• 2:02:29
  So it happens immediately and ends us.
• 2:02:31
  We do Not want to live in The Fallout Universe, ladies and
• 2:02:34
  gentlemen, video games great. We don't want to live that down.
• 2:02:40
  Yeah, becoming food shortages, and political strife, and
• 2:02:43
  spineless in the streets. Apparently, Cindy, let me ask
• 2:02:47
  you a question real quick. I don't know if I've ever asked
• 2:02:50
  you about this tea to our Libyan company.
• 2:02:52
  If you want to, what do you think about funerals and
• 2:02:55
  graveyard? So you think that this is a
• 2:02:57
  waste of time. I told my wife, because we've
• 2:03:00
  been to so many funerals and They're so expensive.
• 2:03:03
  I said honey, if I die, I don't wake up one morning, just put me
• 2:03:06
  in a hefty bag. Put me out by the trash, don't
• 2:03:09
  waste money on this. How do you guys feel about this?
• 2:03:12
  She says oh no hon. Very oh no the hell with it.
• 2:03:16
  Just put me in there they told me in the back of the truck and
• 2:03:18
  take my ass off somewhere and and all she has to do is pay the
• 2:03:22
  garbage bill. That's it you know sewage the
• 2:03:24
  tip. Well here in Alabama you're
• 2:03:28
  allowed to bury on your property so that's easy.
• 2:03:32
  I don't think that's legal. Most places wouldn't be cheaper
• 2:03:36
  though. Of course.
• 2:03:38
  Don't like surprise. The trash people put a letter.
• 2:03:41
  I say this prick. He was here for a while but he's
• 2:03:44
  done take him out of here. I mean that's deeper 3,500
• 2:03:49
  bucks. Last time I buried somebody.
• 2:03:54
  What do you think is expensive? I think you can have if we got
• 2:04:00
  rid of all that stuff though, huh?
• 2:04:02
  We don't say golf courses. We got to get rid of graveyards
• 2:04:05
  and golf courses and what did the biggest waste of space?
• 2:04:11
  He cures like, oh man, Brad, come on, come on.
• 2:04:14
  I don't know here, right now. I think it is it expensive and I
• 2:04:20
  think that, yeah, it takes a lot of space in the sixth.
• 2:04:24
  Instead. Cremation isn't a whole lot
• 2:04:28
  cheaper, only a few hundred dollars, maybe a thousand
• 2:04:31
  dollars cheaper. And then you still have to
• 2:04:34
  dispose of the ashes, you're not allowed to just dump them.
• 2:04:39
  Is the burial costs including the casket because I thought
• 2:04:44
  caskets were expensive like get a thousands on their own.
• 2:04:50
  All right, I'm gonna go ahead and no, I was a dumb question
• 2:04:54
  for at 25 minutes left on the stream, okay?
• 2:05:08
  I've done really good to I. Haven't had a nanny nicotine
• 2:05:10
  this whole time because I left my fake vaporizer inside.
• 2:05:13
  No groans. Yeah, I'm slowly quitting.
• 2:05:20
  Wow, you, well, how do you let's?
• 2:05:25
  Let's talk from the 80s world do as well as Christian worldview,
• 2:05:29
  whenever it comes to graveyards, the atheists, a believe that
• 2:05:32
  when their people die, it's over.
• 2:05:34
  It's just like a shell sitting there, right?
• 2:05:36
  So why Bother with that or even cremation.
• 2:05:40
  Then the Christian, you already believe that the soul is in some
• 2:05:43
  kind of stasis where it is just waiting for God to resurrected
• 2:05:47
  the body's dead. Right?
• 2:05:49
  So what's the point so that we can, the point is for the living
• 2:05:56
  to mourn and to show honor show honor in the reform, the
• 2:06:03
  community to try to fill in, what's going to happen.
• 2:06:06
  Now, that that Sin is gone. Who's going to take their place?
• 2:06:09
  It's about that whole dynamic. It's about the living.
• 2:06:12
  Funerals are not about the dead there about the living.
• 2:06:18
  I think it's about remembering, it's about remembering the dead
• 2:06:21
  paint longer them. And then moving on for the
• 2:06:24
  living, I do know that when I had to face that decision with
• 2:06:29
  my son, there was no way in hell.
• 2:06:31
  I was going to burn him. So, cremation option.
• 2:06:39
  I decide I find it fascinating that there's both.
• 2:06:42
  I've asked non-believers about the cells, both religious, and
• 2:06:46
  there's a lot of non-believers that see, sanctity in the
• 2:06:49
  sacredness of this. So, I find that really, really,
• 2:06:52
  it's beautiful and it's compelling for me and it shows
• 2:06:55
  that there's something something there that is pulling them,
• 2:07:00
  that, that makes sense. What do you mean?
• 2:07:05
  Well, what if you were to talk to a non-believer and ask them,
• 2:07:08
  how would they feel if someone that they care that they felt
• 2:07:11
  was important? We're to just be completely
• 2:07:14
  wiped out or taken to a trash dump or something like that.
• 2:07:17
  They make it very clear. That, that would, that's no good
• 2:07:20
  for them. They prefer either to cremation
• 2:07:22
  or the burial. So there's a sanctity, even for
• 2:07:27
  a body. You see what I mean?
• 2:07:29
  Sunday, I find that I see what you're saying. but the body
• 2:07:36
  represents the soul because the person that you loved Right.
• 2:07:43
  For people. Faith would be women.
• 2:07:46
  See you later Olivia. It's always a pleasure talking
• 2:07:49
  to. You have a good one by the be,
• 2:07:55
  well, tto are. I've already babbled on enough
• 2:07:58
  that topic seemed to really, really get people on low
• 2:08:02
  goodness gracious. The trash dump, really breath.
• 2:08:05
  Yeah, and Parable, what are you gonna do?
• 2:08:07
  You got any kind of want to bring up the end?
• 2:08:10
  It Well, now, real topics off the top of my head.
• 2:08:18
  Yeah, I think we're go ahead and just wrap things up here.
• 2:08:21
  We're kind of in that timeframe. I wanted to do anyway.
• 2:08:23
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  too. So did you you are mention
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  Odyssey earlier though, tqr. Did you end up sinking up your
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  channel. So your videos have copies and
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  all that. Now I have an odyssey Channel
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  already and I put some videos to it but they do a lot of the same
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  stuff that bit shoot does in terms of their censorship
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  systems and their policies. So I don't really view them as a
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  good viable long-term solution. Hence why I'm trying to make My
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  own site, would raise funds for it because I know there is a
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  fact that is syncs up with your channel and any new video.
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  You put it'll upload it for you. Yeah, that is a benefit but I
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  don't really use it much anyway. I mean the only time I would go
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  there would be two backup of video.
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  I'd be watching videos on other sites all the time.
• 2:10:09
  So yeah, I don't I don't really have a reason for myself to
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  invest into it long term. Alright, anyway, before I end
• 2:10:19
  the show, I'm gonna go ahead over to joshu TV really quick,
• 2:10:23
  and the recording of the stream on there.
• 2:10:25
  And then I'll end the recording here on YouTube and it's got to
• 2:10:29
  get to the street. You gotta in both of them.
• 2:10:32
  Well, there's a there's a funky way to save your live stream
• 2:10:36
  recordings on Joshua TV. There's a stop and start record
• 2:10:40
  button on the actual streaming page.
• 2:10:43
  So I have to hit both of those to make sure the Make sure the
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  stream stops there. Okay, it worked?
• 2:10:51
  I just gotta let it finish right there.
• 2:10:56
  Okay, boom, that's done. And with that.
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  We're gone folks. Adios good night guys.
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  Yay.