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The Kenny Report | 7 August · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: Line from the Skying New Center.
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  Speaker 2: This is the Kenny Report.
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  Speaker 3: Thanks for joining me tonight.
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  Speaker 4: I'll have a look at social cohesion and truth in
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  Speaker 4: this country and what the nation's Race Discrimination Commissioner has
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  Speaker 4: had to say about it. I don't think he's helping
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  Speaker 4: ABC bias. Is it too left wing and woke? Well,
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  Speaker 4: the ABC's new boss does not dispute the claim and
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  Speaker 4: the absurdity of our sex discrimination laws when the courts
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  Speaker 4: say we can pretend to be any gender. We like
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  Speaker 4: all that and lots more. With Tom Switzer and Webster,
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  Speaker 4: Alexander Downer, Claire Chandler and Tim Blair and Mark Nicholson
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  Speaker 4: to bring it home, Let's get cracking. The truth matters,
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  Speaker 4: Facts matter, Reality matters. And that's one of the reasons
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  Speaker 4: I found the reaction to that Sydney Harbor Bridge protest
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  Speaker 4: so insulting to this country. A protest on Sunday where
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  Speaker 4: people chanted death to the IDF, A protest that paraded
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  Speaker 4: around the evil Islamist extremist Aatola Kamanei, A march that
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  Speaker 4: included preachers of hate and people who celebrated the slaughter
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  Speaker 4: of innocent Israelis.
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  Speaker 3: Back on October, the seventh, twenty twenty three, and yet from.
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  Speaker 4: Our prime minister down people described it as peaceful.
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  Speaker 3: How wrong, how deliberately misleading.
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  Speaker 5: Yesterday's march was peaceful.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, death to the IDF.
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  Speaker 4: They chanted, bring on the Interfara, they chanted death to Netanyahu.
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  Speaker 3: They charted.
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  Speaker 4: So let me share a terrific radio interview from yesterday
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  Speaker 4: when two GB's Michael McLaren spoke with the march organ
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  Speaker 4: Now I've shown you this before.
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  Speaker 3: Josh Lees is his name.
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  Speaker 4: He's pretty much a professional protester aligned with the Socialist Alliance,
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  Speaker 4: a revolutionary who's protested before. I have a climbate, I
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  Speaker 4: have a Black Lives Matter, I have a border protection.
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  Speaker 3: You name it anyway.
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  Speaker 4: On two GB yesterday, Lee's refused to even admit that
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  Speaker 4: HUMAS is a terrorist organization.
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  Speaker 1: I'm interested to know if you've view Hamas as a
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  Speaker 1: terrorist organization or a group of freedom fighters.
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  Speaker 6: Well, I mean, I don't particularly want this story to
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  Speaker 6: be about me. It's about trying to stop this great
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  Speaker 6: crime that's going on in Gaza today.
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  Speaker 1: But you can still answer that question pretty straightforward question.
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  Speaker 6: Well, I thought that's straightforward, because yes, I understand the
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  Speaker 6: context of what has taken place in Palestine, not just
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  Speaker 6: over the last two years, but over the previous seventy
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  Speaker 6: five years.
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  Speaker 1: Now I understand the context, but you can still answer
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  Speaker 1: the question.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah. Well, what we've said is that actually what's happening
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  Speaker 6: in Gaza is not about Humster. That's why it's kind
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  Speaker 6: of a distraction to just focus on them.
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  Speaker 1: Do you've you Hames as a terrorist organization or a
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  Speaker 1: group of freedom fighters?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, but you want to start with that question, but that.
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  Speaker 1: We can get it out of the way.
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  Speaker 6: If you answer it, you can start. That's not where
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  Speaker 6: the conversation can start. That's the problem.
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  Speaker 7: Man.
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  Speaker 1: You know we've been obviously, but why don't we just answer.
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  Speaker 1: Let's just answer the question and then I'll move on.
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  Speaker 1: It's pretty simple. You've got the power answer the question.
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  Speaker 6: Well, I think we should start with the fact that
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  Speaker 6: Israel is a terrorist state.
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  Speaker 3: Actually, there you go.
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  Speaker 4: The organizer of a march that was full of hate
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  Speaker 4: won the Prime Minister called peaceful, and he won't even
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  Speaker 4: condemn the bloodthirsty Islamist extremist terrorists of Humas who have
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  Speaker 4: slaughtered babies, burned people alive, raped women, abducted people, beheaded
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  Speaker 4: people and tortured them, a terror group that deliberately started
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  Speaker 4: this war, that deliberately prolongs it still holds fifty hostages,
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  Speaker 4: living and dead, and the organizer of the so called
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  Speaker 4: March for Humanity cannot even condemn them. It tells you
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  Speaker 4: a lot about the pro Palestinian movement, doesn't it?
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  Speaker 3: Okay?
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  Speaker 4: With that in mind, let me take you to the
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  Speaker 4: National Press Club yesterday where Australia's Race Discrimination Commissioner Gidararan
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  Speaker 4: Siverarraman spoke about racism. As Paul Murray showed us last night,
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  Speaker 4: this bloke sees racism.
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  Speaker 8: Everywhere, racism, racism, racism, racism, racism, racism, racism, racism, racism, racism, racism, racism, racism, racism, racism, racism, racism, racism, racism, racism, racism, racism, racism, racism, racism, racism, racism, racism, racism, racism, racism, racism, racism, racism, racism.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, as Paul said last night, that only gets you
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  Speaker 4: about halfway through his presentation.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess he wouldn't have.
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  Speaker 4: Much of a job, would He wouldn't even have a
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  Speaker 4: job if he didn't see a lot of racism. And
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  Speaker 4: he certainly talks up the moral way to his task.
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  Speaker 8: I described the fight against racism as a courageous act
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  Speaker 8: of love.
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  Speaker 4: Fair enough, But if we buy into the big debates
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  Speaker 4: where social cohesion is tested and racism emerges because of
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  Speaker 4: a religiously motivated war, then we'd better be careful about
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  Speaker 4: being factual, hadn't we. I mean that hateful Bridge protest
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  Speaker 4: on Sunday was only days ago, and in the audience
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  Speaker 4: listening to the commissioner yesterday were people like leftist activist
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  Speaker 4: Craig Foster, who was one of the leaders of the
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  Speaker 4: Harbor Bridge protest. Also in the audience was Nasir Mashni,
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  Speaker 4: a leading pro Palestinian advocate who's been prominent in anti
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  Speaker 4: Israel protest and who's blamed the problems of the world
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  Speaker 4: on Zionism. So how to listen to what the Race
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  Speaker 4: Discrimination Commissioner said about the Gaza war and the implications here.
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  Speaker 8: When the massacre of twelve hundred Jews and Israelis by
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  Speaker 8: Hamas on October seven is not acknowledged, it dehumanizes them
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  Speaker 8: by extension Jewish and Israeli Australians.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, he's trying to be empathetic there to the Jewish
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  Speaker 4: community in Australia.
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  Speaker 3: But how factual was that characterization?
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  Speaker 4: He pretended that the hurt done to Jewish Australians was
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  Speaker 4: a lack of acknowledgment of the October the seventh atrocities.
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  Speaker 4: I would have thought the truth was the opposite. After all,
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  Speaker 4: this bloke who was at the Bridge March on Sunday,
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  Speaker 4: he proudly acknowledged the Hamas atrocities the very day after
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  Speaker 4: they happened.
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  Speaker 3: That wasn't a lack of acknowledgment. That was hearing for slaughter.
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  Speaker 4: A race discrimination commissioner might find that to be the
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  Speaker 4: most repulsive thing he's ever seen in this country. Or
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  Speaker 4: perhaps it was outdone the following night when a large
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  Speaker 4: crowd gathered at the Opera House and they also were
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  Speaker 4: very keen to acknowledge the atrocities, the slaughter and the
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  Speaker 4: abductions carried out by Hummus. Yeah, they were calling for
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  Speaker 4: more intimidating Australian Jews. And this was all long before
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  Speaker 4: there was any retaliation from Israel against Hummas in Gaza.
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  Speaker 4: So I call out the Race commissioner right there for
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  Speaker 4: glossing over the worst examples of racism we've seen in
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  Speaker 4: this country, pretending they didn't happen. Now, listen to what
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  Speaker 4: he says when it comes to the ongoing war.
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  Speaker 8: When the devastation caused by Israel in Gaza, the death
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  Speaker 8: of sixty thousand civilians, mass starvation, the destruction of homes
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  Speaker 8: is ignored, It dehumanizes Palestinians and by extension, the Palestinian
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  Speaker 8: Arab and Muslim Australians who identify with them.
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  Speaker 4: Now there he blames all the devastation in Gaza on Israel.
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  Speaker 4: He doesn't even mention Hummas, which began hostilities, kills Israelis
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  Speaker 4: and Palestinians, prolongs the war and again refuses a ceasefire.
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  Speaker 4: And this says, people ignore what's going on in Gaza.
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  Speaker 4: You can hardly hear about anything else on most of
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  Speaker 4: the media. Yet for the death toll, Severaman parrots numbers
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  Speaker 4: not from the UN or from Israel, but from Hummas.
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  Speaker 4: The sixty thousand figure he used there is what Hummas says.
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  Speaker 4: And incredibly, the Race Discrimination Commissioner says, all those sixty
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  Speaker 4: thousand dead are civilian. Really, in almost two years of warfare,
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  Speaker 4: Israel hasn't killed a single terrorist, It's only killed civilians.
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  Speaker 4: What abhorrent rubbish. The overall death toll is likely much lower.
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  Speaker 4: Even the UN earlier this year quietly halved its early
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  Speaker 4: tolls for women and children, and whatever the number of deaths,
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  Speaker 4: experts suggest at least a third and perhaps half of
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  Speaker 4: all of them have been terrorists or combatants. Okay, so
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  Speaker 4: that's a lot wrong, isn't it In a short sentence
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  Speaker 4: from this bloke. But there's more. The commissioner also talked
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  Speaker 4: about mass starvation again, blaming Israel, again not mentioning hamas well.
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  Speaker 4: As you know, the facts don't support this to the
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  Speaker 4: extent there is insufficient aid. All the information points to
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  Speaker 4: that being because of Hummus's actions stealing aid and working
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  Speaker 4: to undermine alternative aid deliveries for mass starvation. Well, we've
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  Speaker 4: shown you how the media have amplified humas propaganda, using
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  Speaker 4: staged images and the unrelated suffering of sick children to
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  Speaker 4: create this impression.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. The Race Discrimination Commissioner.
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  Speaker 4: Surprise, surprise, while supposedly railing against racism, was echoing the
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  Speaker 4: sorts of claims and misinformation that was promoted by the
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  Speaker 4: protesters on Sunday. This is shameful. We pay for this
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  Speaker 4: bloke and he pushes this agenda. Listen to the sickening
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  Speaker 4: way he uses a trifecta of false equivalents to somehow
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  Speaker 4: overshadow the unprecedented outbreak of antisemitism that we've seen in
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  Speaker 4: this country.
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  Speaker 3: Since October the seven, twenty twenty three.
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  Speaker 8: The war in Gaza has triggered a terrifying surge of
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  Speaker 8: anti Semitism, anti Palestinian racism, anti our racist, and is
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  Speaker 8: Lama phobicate.
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  Speaker 4: That would be a factual statement and an empathetic one
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  Speaker 4: if he stopped at anti semitism. But firstly, why go
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  Speaker 4: to Islamophobia? Why try to pretend that's.
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  Speaker 3: An equivalent problem in this country?
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  Speaker 4: It just isn't. We've seen synagogues burned, not mosques. We've
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  Speaker 4: seen Jewish areas.
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  Speaker 3: Intimidated, not Muslim communities.
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  Speaker 4: We've seen anti Jewish graffiti and fire bombings and threats
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  Speaker 4: and celebrations like I've shown you here. There's been nothing
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  Speaker 4: like that directed at Muslim communities. Yet this Race Commissioner
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  Speaker 4: feels the need when he mentions anti Semitism to add
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  Speaker 4: on not one descriptor of this, but three different descriptors
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  Speaker 4: of the imagined equivalent Islamophobia, anti Arab racism and anti
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  Speaker 4: Palestinian racism. It's very instructive, isn't it. This bloke says
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  Speaker 4: he's on a mission of love to combat racism. Then
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  Speaker 4: why does he deliberately downplay what's been going on? Why
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  Speaker 4: does he pretend away the worst, most violent and sustained
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  Speaker 4: outbreak of racism directed at our Jewish Australian community, the
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  Speaker 4: worst we've seen in this country, surely since the Chinese
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  Speaker 4: were targeted in the gold Rush days.
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  Speaker 3: All racism is putrid.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, we've got to oppose it all, of course, but
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  Speaker 4: first we need to call out what the real problem is.
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  Speaker 4: We need to face the facts, not somehow downplay the
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  Speaker 4: horrors of humas in Gaza or the anti semitism in
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  Speaker 4: our own country. Now, thank you so much for your
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  Speaker 4: messages on this issue. They keep coming in, well over
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  Speaker 4: one thousand now an rising. Let me share some more
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  Speaker 4: with you, Peter says he'd like to share with us
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  Speaker 4: his total support for Israel to defend itself against Humus,
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  Speaker 4: and to our Jewish friends here in Australia, you are
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  Speaker 4: not alone, he says, there is love and support, Stay
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  Speaker 4: strong and take care. I emigrated to Australia fifty four
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  Speaker 4: years ago and have always been so proud coming to
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  Speaker 4: this country, says Annette. She joined the Australian Army became
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  Speaker 4: even more proud. But now she's ashamed of what's happening.
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  Speaker 4: The anti Semitism, the weak government spending our money just
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  Speaker 4: to get votes, and the sheep like populace that.
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  Speaker 3: Don't think the same way.
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  Speaker 4: She strongly supports Israel and the Jewish communities in this country,
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  Speaker 4: who are after all Australians like me, either born or
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  Speaker 4: came here, and it brings tears to her eyes when
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  Speaker 4: she sees the hate emanating from ignorant protesters marching. Here's
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  Speaker 4: another one to all our Jewish Australian friends. I want
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  Speaker 4: to expend my heart felt support and love to each
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  Speaker 4: and every one of you. What has happened in this
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  Speaker 4: country in the last two years both shames and disgust me.
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  Speaker 3: And it starts with the.
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  Speaker 4: Pathetic, weak, radical left leadership in the federal government and
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  Speaker 4: seeps down to all the state leaders.
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  Speaker 3: That's from Rose.
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  Speaker 4: Another one here, Hi, Chris, writes Brenda, So so appreciate
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  Speaker 4: your clarity and understanding in the.
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  Speaker 3: Current situation in Gaza.
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  Speaker 4: I'm appalled to hear the comments that all other news
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  Speaker 4: outlets are giving and how they don't have any interest
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  Speaker 4: in looking further than the lies that are being fed
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  Speaker 4: to them. I support our Jewish community here in Australia.
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  Speaker 3: And pray for them daily. Thank you, Brenda.
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  Speaker 4: Another message thanks to the Sky team for bringing us truth,
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  Speaker 4: facts and compassion, and to our Jewish community. I am
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  Speaker 4: so so sorry you've been let down by so many
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  Speaker 4: fellow Australians who choose to look the other way.
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  Speaker 3: Much love and strength to you.
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  Speaker 4: All that comes from Jill, an immigrant from South Africa,
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  Speaker 4: came here to escape racial hatred and bigotry in that country.
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  Speaker 4: He's embarrassed to be represented on the international stage by
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  Speaker 4: Albanezi and the activist Wong, and he hopes and prays
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  Speaker 4: that the Australian public make a better choice at the
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  Speaker 4: next election, rather than chasing the biggest handouts. That is
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  Speaker 4: from Craig Rosalind writes, Dear friends, I am so very
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  Speaker 4: sorry for your pain, the pain that you have suffered
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  Speaker 4: when your innocent family and friends were attacked.
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  Speaker 3: In Israel on October the seventh.
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  Speaker 4: Australia should have been resolute and unwavering in our support.
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  Speaker 4: We should have created you a safe space to gather
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  Speaker 4: and comfort each other, but that opportunity was not given. Instead,
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  Speaker 4: horrific scenes at the Sydney Opera House set the scene
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  Speaker 4: for what has been a shocking and increasingly fearful.
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  Speaker 3: Time for you.
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  Speaker 4: So well said, here's another why is antisemitism not more
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  Speaker 4: widely recognized and prosecuted as a form of racism. Racist
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  Speaker 4: speech is rightly outlawed in Australia, yet anti Semitic remarks
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  Speaker 4: too often escaped similar legal consequences. Australia's Jewish citizens are
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  Speaker 4: Australians and deserve the full protection of our anti discrimination laws.
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  Speaker 4: They should not have to live in fear or tolerate
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  Speaker 4: abuse justified under the guise of free speech. It's time
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  Speaker 4: our laws caught up with this reality. That's from Bronze
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  Speaker 4: and this one. Thank you Chris for giving us a
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  Speaker 4: chance to let all Israeli Jews know we stand with Israel.
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  Speaker 4: The disgraceful Prime Minister and his cohorts do not represent
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  Speaker 4: me and millions of true Australians who feel the pain
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  Speaker 4: that all Jewish people are currently going through. Alban Easy
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  Speaker 4: is a national embarrassment. And that's from Noel. Now, thanks
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  Speaker 4: so much for your messages. I know they're being really
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  Speaker 4: well received by so many people in this country. Just
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  Speaker 4: remember that Kenny Report at skynews dot com dot au
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  Speaker 4: is the address, Kenny Report at skynews dot com dot au.
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  Speaker 4: Keep them coming in and we'll keep sharing them. Now,
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  Speaker 4: just let me share with you a fascinating little exchange
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  Speaker 4: that happened on the ABC in Darwin yesterday when the
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  Speaker 4: Public Broadcasters relatively new managing director Hugh Marx, formerly of
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  Speaker 4: the Nine Network, popped in for a chat.
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  Speaker 2: Like, there is this idea, this commentary that the ABC
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  Speaker 2: is too left leaning, too woke.
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  Speaker 9: How do you kind of respond to those things? It's
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  Speaker 9: actually a really important issue because I think the content
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  Speaker 9: choices we make are really important, and are we getting
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  Speaker 9: those choices right all the time? You know, I'm a
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  Speaker 9: pretty straight talking, straight to the point sort of person.
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  Speaker 9: I think that's a new approach for the ABC. We
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  Speaker 9: will see you know how long it takes me to
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  Speaker 9: influence the culture of the organization.
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  Speaker 1: What do you mean by that exactly?
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  Speaker 3: Well, I just.
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  Speaker 9: Think, you know, having those discussions around the choices that
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  Speaker 9: we make of the things that we decide to cover
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  Speaker 9: and how, and having that discussion constantly and making sure
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  Speaker 9: that we are as relevant as we can for the
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  Speaker 9: audiences that we serve. They're the right discussions to be having.
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  Speaker 9: So we need to talk about the content. I think
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  Speaker 9: sometimes we talked about the process, so we talked about
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  Speaker 9: the ABC of it all, or we got stuck in
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  Speaker 9: the bureaucracy of the matters. You know, what I want
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  Speaker 9: to have the conversations about is what is the content?
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  Speaker 9: Is it connecting with audiences? Are we covering the right things?
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  Speaker 9: Are we making the right choices? They're really important discussions
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  Speaker 9: for us to have.
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  Speaker 4: Well, credit to Marx for not dismissing the issue. He said,
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  Speaker 4: the ABC has to have the conversation and discuss the
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  Speaker 4: stories it covers and how it serves its audiences, which
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  Speaker 4: I guess is code for yeah, we do have a
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  Speaker 4: problem with wokeness and political bias. Of course he should
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  Speaker 4: be able to say straight up, yeah, we have a
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  Speaker 4: bias problem, a culture problem. He should say, look, given
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  Speaker 4: we're a public entity, given we're all on the public payroll,
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  Speaker 4: we need to be aware of a natural bias towards
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  Speaker 4: big government.
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  Speaker 3: Towards a collective view of the world.
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  Speaker 4: He might go on to cite examples, you know, noting
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  Speaker 4: how the contest of ideas just doesn't really happen at
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  Speaker 4: the ABC. On issues like climate action or energy policy,
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  Speaker 4: Indigenous affairs, the guards of war, union power, the expansion
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  Speaker 4: of government, nani state laws, gender diversity, they should all
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  Speaker 4: be lively discussions and they are in the wider Australian community,
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  Speaker 4: but at the ABC they're all a one way street.
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  Speaker 4: There's a monolithic ABC view on all these issues, and
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  Speaker 4: now and then they'll bring in a guest to try
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  Speaker 4: and contest them. That gives the game away.
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  Speaker 3: The trouble is, if f.
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  Speaker 4: You Marks had the kahunas to say all that on radio,
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  Speaker 4: there'd be a staff for Revolt and he'd be gone
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  Speaker 4: in a couple of months. So he'll try to have
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  Speaker 4: the conversation behind the scenes. Good on him for trying,
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  Speaker 4: but my guess is he'll get nowhere because while you
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  Speaker 4: and I like to think it's our ABC or your ABC,
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  Speaker 4: that's what they tell us, but the staff there.
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  Speaker 3: Know that it's really their ABC. Let's go to Tom
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  Speaker 3: Switzer from the Center for Independent Studies.
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  Speaker 4: Now it's my chance to remind him of his old
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  Speaker 4: job at the ABC. Former ABC presented Tom Switzer. Good
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  Speaker 4: to have you on, mate. I've got to get your
• 19:51
  Speaker 4: thoughts on the Middle East because it seems so obvious
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  Speaker 4: now that Anthony Alberanezi is going to recognize Palestine a
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  Speaker 4: state of Palestine at the UN General Assembly next month.
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  Speaker 4: Is that what you think he's going to do? And
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  Speaker 4: why would he do that? What would the outcome be?
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  Speaker 10: Well, I think he probably will, and he will just
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  Speaker 10: be reflecting the trends set by the French and the
• 20:15
  Speaker 10: British leaders Emmanuel mccran and Keirs Starmer. I mean, we've
• 20:20
  Speaker 10: been here before, Chris. The UN creation of Israel in
• 20:24
  Speaker 10: nineteen forty eight was meant to coincide with Palestinian statehood,
• 20:29
  Speaker 10: which remember, the Palestinians and the Arab States rejected and
• 20:33
  Speaker 10: instead attacked Israel. This was a so called war of Independence.
• 20:38
  Speaker 10: And then of course there were the Oslo Accords of
• 20:40
  Speaker 10: the nineteen nineties that culminated in the Camp David Peace Plan,
• 20:44
  Speaker 10: which was ultimately rejected by the Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat.
• 20:47
  Speaker 10: So there have been chances in the past for the
• 20:50
  Speaker 10: creation of a Palestinian state, and the Prime Minister, like
• 20:53
  Speaker 10: the British and the French leaders is just going down
• 20:56
  Speaker 10: that track Againe.
• 20:57
  Speaker 4: And of course even under Mumdu the Bar in two
• 21:00
  Speaker 4: thousand and eight, rhud Omer offered a two state solution,
• 21:04
  Speaker 4: complete with a map that was shown to the Palestinians,
• 21:07
  Speaker 4: and they never accepted that either. The point here is
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: what's going to happen on the ground, because there is
• 21:13
  Speaker 4: nothing that even approaches the makings of a sovereign state.
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: There.
• 21:17
  Speaker 4: There's no agreement on borders, there's no system of governments.
• 21:21
  Speaker 4: Gaza is a wreck in the control of Hummas. So
• 21:25
  Speaker 4: it's going to be a lot of virtue signaling a
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: big gesture at the UN but practically on the ground,
• 21:31
  Speaker 4: what do you think could unfold, because there are some
• 21:34
  Speaker 4: who suggest it might push Israel to completely annex both
• 21:39
  Speaker 4: Palestinian territories.
• 21:41
  Speaker 10: Well, are two things here. One is that the problem
• 21:43
  Speaker 10: with the Palestinian state in twenty twenty five is that
• 21:46
  Speaker 10: Gaza and the West Bank are led by different governments
• 21:50
  Speaker 10: who have different objectives, not least the recognition of Israel
• 21:54
  Speaker 10: Hamas is in Islamist organization that wants to wipe Israel
• 21:58
  Speaker 10: off the face of the earth. And the second point,
• 22:01
  Speaker 10: following on from your question is the question of what
• 22:05
  Speaker 10: happens with the plan for Israel to basically occupy all
• 22:14
  Speaker 10: of Gaza. I think this is a bad idea for
• 22:17
  Speaker 10: many reasons. You may disagree, Chris. I think it risks
• 22:20
  Speaker 10: the lives of the remaining forty nine hostages. I don't
• 22:24
  Speaker 10: think there's any real bipartisan support in Israel for that agenda.
• 22:28
  Speaker 10: You've got the opposition leader in Israel coming out strongly
• 22:31
  Speaker 10: against it. Even the head of the Israeli Defense Forces
• 22:34
  Speaker 10: is against it, and it's an unpopular decision. All the
• 22:37
  Speaker 10: available polling evidence in Israel shows that the broad cross
• 22:40
  Speaker 10: section of the Israeli people want the war to end.
• 22:46
  Speaker 10: So and the other point, I'd say, if Israel occupies
• 22:49
  Speaker 10: all of Gaza, look, it will further damage it standing
• 22:52
  Speaker 10: across the rest of the world, including the US. So
• 22:55
  Speaker 10: there are big risks in going down this track.
• 22:57
  Speaker 4: Chris, Yeah, there are huge risks, not to mention the
• 22:59
  Speaker 4: fact that there will be still Hamas underground popping up
• 23:02
  Speaker 4: to take out Israeli soldiers at every opportunity. In many ways,
• 23:05
  Speaker 4: you'd be playing into their trap. But somebody has to
• 23:08
  Speaker 4: occupy not if not occupy Gaza, somebody has to be
• 23:11
  Speaker 4: able to keep the peace there, So who could it be.
• 23:14
  Speaker 10: Well, remember Ariel Sharon, who was your quintessential hawkish Israeli
• 23:19
  Speaker 10: general turned Prime minister. He made the decision to pull
• 23:24
  Speaker 10: Israel out of Gaza in two thousand and five.
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: I think he under two thousand and five exactly, and look, let.
• 23:30
  Speaker 10: Us much too difficult and costly for Israel to try
• 23:33
  Speaker 10: to continue controlling Gaza, and he came to the conclusion
• 23:36
  Speaker 10: that it made more sense to withdraw the Israeli settlers
• 23:39
  Speaker 10: from Gaza.
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: So, you know, the other.
• 23:42
  Speaker 10: Point to bear in mind at this point has been
• 23:44
  Speaker 10: made time and again by friends of Israel that what's
• 23:48
  Speaker 10: happening here is that if the Israelis do indeed escalate
• 23:52
  Speaker 10: and occupy Gaza, they'll just end up in a situation
• 23:57
  Speaker 10: not unlike the one the United States found itself after
• 24:00
  Speaker 10: nine to eleven in Iraq.
• 24:03
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it is a witch's Brew indeed, and getting rid
• 24:07
  Speaker 4: of the remnants of Hummas remains a wickedly difficult task.
• 24:12
  Speaker 4: Thanks for joining us, Tom. I appreciate Tom Switzer there
• 24:16
  Speaker 4: on the fact that the Australian government seems set to
• 24:17
  Speaker 4: recognize a Palestinian state that doesn't really exist as yet.
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: Now I'm going to bring you some breaking news now.
• 24:23
  Speaker 4: We talked about this issue earlier in the week, and
• 24:25
  Speaker 4: that is the convicted rapist New South Wales MP Gareth
• 24:29
  Speaker 4: Ward is now likely to be the first MP expelled
• 24:32
  Speaker 4: from the New South Wales Lower House in more than
• 24:35
  Speaker 4: a century. The Court of Appeal lifted an earlier legal
• 24:38
  Speaker 4: order preventing a vote on the South Coast MP's expulsion
• 24:42
  Speaker 4: in Parliament. Senior Reporter Kenny Heatley is live at the
• 24:45
  Speaker 4: Supreme Court.
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: Thanks for joining us.
• 24:47
  Speaker 4: Can he bring us up to speak with what's unfolded
• 24:50
  Speaker 4: there and what it means for Gareth Ward?
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: Now, Chris, Yes, this judgment was just handed down in
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: the Court of Appeal by Chief Justice Andrew Bell just
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: in the last couple of minutes, and now a vote
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: in Parliament can go ahead to expel the coyam ERMP
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: on the South Coast, Gareth Ward. It has been an
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: interesting day in court just for the fact that this
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: is a bizarre situation.
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: It never happens.
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: Usually the standard practice for MPs and ministers accused of
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: serious crimes, in this case rape, they resign immediately to
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: uphold the reputation of the parliament let alone. Let it
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: get to the point where you're convicted of serious crimes,
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: you're behind bars, still accepting a salary, awaiting sentencing. As
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: in the case for Gareth Ward, who held on so
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: strongly to his job, going so far as to seek
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: an injunction on Monday night to stop Parliament from voting
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: to expel him. Well, the process today in the Court
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: of Appeal was the state government trying to get that
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: injunction lifted, and the government was successful. So what happens now, Well,
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: a vote will happen tomorrow and there's bipartisan support, so
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: it should go through pretty easily.
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: Gareth Ward will.
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: Cease being the MP for Cayama, he'll stop getting his
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: salary and benefits from behind bars where he is in
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: the Hunter at the moment. There'll be a by election
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: for the South Coast and that'll be it. Gareth Ward
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: will be sentenced we think next month, and then he'll appeal,
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: and he has indicated that he'll appeal, but he'll do
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: that as an ordinary citizen and not as a member
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: of Parliament. But Chris, this has been so interesting because
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: an MP has not been expelled from the Lower House
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: in one hundred and eight years, since nineteen seventeen and
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: this whole question about the separation of powers and how
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: much power does the Court have over the Parliament, And
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: in this case does the Court have any power to
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: influence who can be in Parliament? Well, in this case
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: the Court of Appeal decided that no it can't. And
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: I think that common sense prevailed in this case. I
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: just want to give you, just before I leave you, Chris,
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: a couple of the reasons why Gareth Ward's in attempt
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: to extend the injunction today was rejected. It's because the
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: justices think that he has been afforded procedural fairness, represented democracy,
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: would not be offended by the motion being made. An
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: expulsion would have no effect on his sendency. So just
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: this breaking us, the injunction has been lifted and Gareth
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: Ward likely to be expelled from Parliament tomorrow.
• 27:36
  Speaker 4: Great stuff, Kenny, Thanks so much, Kenny Heatley. They're a
• 27:38
  Speaker 4: live from the Supreme Court in the Sydney CBD. I
• 27:41
  Speaker 4: always love it when we double up on the Kennies
• 27:43
  Speaker 4: on this report. That is common sense prevailing, their sanity prevailing.
• 27:48
  Speaker 4: The Parliament will decide on the future of Gareth Ward tomorrow.
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: As Kenny reminded us.
• 27:53
  Speaker 4: Then at the moment he's a convicted rapist and an
• 27:57
  Speaker 4: MP being paid by New South Wales taxpayers in prison.
• 28:00
  Speaker 4: That's likely to change as of tomorrow. Let's go back
• 28:03
  Speaker 4: to the federal sphere now. I want to catch up
• 28:05
  Speaker 4: now with the and Webster. Who's the member for the
• 28:10
  Speaker 4: Miljuria that's right, the member for Mali, sorry, and I
• 28:14
  Speaker 4: know the area of course, the member for Mali in
• 28:16
  Speaker 4: the western Victoria and she joins us from Mildura. And
• 28:20
  Speaker 4: I wanted to start off by getting back to the
• 28:23
  Speaker 4: energy topic because you've been really focused on this in
• 28:26
  Speaker 4: terms of your constituents, not just the power prices the
• 28:29
  Speaker 4: power bills they're being hit with, but also how the
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: renewable role out is affecting them.
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: And you've written about this in your own newsletter. Yeah.
• 28:39
  Speaker 7: Look absolutely, Chris. It remains and will continue to remain
• 28:44
  Speaker 7: newsflash for the labor government, both at state and federal level.
• 28:48
  Speaker 7: This is a huge problem for people in my electron.
• 28:52
  Speaker 7: I've just spent the last two days at field days
• 28:55
  Speaker 7: in Speed. I don't know whether you know where Speed is.
• 28:57
  Speaker 7: It's got about fifty people, I think, and the field
• 29:02
  Speaker 7: days are huge and lots and lots of people coming
• 29:08
  Speaker 7: up and talking to me about the heartbreak in their communities,
• 29:11
  Speaker 7: the division in their communities. I sent out a Malley's
• 29:16
  Speaker 7: Biggest survey a month and a half ago. I've received
• 29:21
  Speaker 7: over five thousand heading to five and a half thousand responses,
• 29:25
  Speaker 7: and sixty one of the questions that I asked people
• 29:28
  Speaker 7: is you know, whats your view on net zero? Are
• 29:29
  Speaker 7: you supportive of it? Are you supportive of twenty thirty?
• 29:33
  Speaker 7: Are you prepared to pay for it? Well, as it
• 29:36
  Speaker 7: turns out, in my electorate, sixty percent do not support
• 29:41
  Speaker 7: net zero or twenty thirty targets. And let's face it,
• 29:44
  Speaker 7: they're political and ideological, and these are very pragmatic people
• 29:49
  Speaker 7: and they do.
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: Not support it.
• 29:51
  Speaker 7: Of the thirty percent that do support net zero, sixty
• 29:55
  Speaker 7: eight percent are not prepared to pay more than one
• 29:58
  Speaker 7: hundred dollars a year. Well, the horror story is is
• 30:02
  Speaker 7: you and I know, Chris, people are paying well more
• 30:05
  Speaker 7: than that already for this disastrous plan.
• 30:09
  Speaker 4: What I got to do is share with you some
• 30:11
  Speaker 4: research I did yesterday. I shared it with you as
• 30:13
  Speaker 4: I pushed AI to just give me the facts on
• 30:16
  Speaker 4: what's happening in energy and when pushed to get rid
• 30:19
  Speaker 4: of the spin and just go with the what we know,
• 30:21
  Speaker 4: they said, will it deliver affordable power, no, will it
• 30:24
  Speaker 4: deliver reliable power no? Is it helping the economy no,
• 30:28
  Speaker 4: it's hurting the economy. And will it improve the climate,
• 30:31
  Speaker 4: Well no, of course, so the impact globally will be negligible.
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: So when you look at those.
• 30:35
  Speaker 4: Answers that we know, those are the facts, why are
• 30:37
  Speaker 4: we doing this to ourselves?
• 30:41
  Speaker 7: Well, you know, there are some days I do want
• 30:43
  Speaker 7: to tear my hair out. It is incredibly frustrating. And
• 30:46
  Speaker 7: this is a fast moving train, the labor ideological train
• 30:52
  Speaker 7: is just you know, I can only hope that it
• 30:55
  Speaker 7: derails because before it does all the damage that it
• 30:59
  Speaker 7: is absolutely to do. In Victoria, you would be aware
• 31:03
  Speaker 7: of the V and I West was three point six
• 31:06
  Speaker 7: billion last year thereabouts and looks to seven point six
• 31:10
  Speaker 7: billion this year. Wow. And then you know potentially eleven
• 31:14
  Speaker 7: point nine billion for the same piece of transmission line
• 31:19
  Speaker 7: that very few people in my electorate want. So those
• 31:22
  Speaker 7: costs are being born on people's bills. And I'm thinking
• 31:26
  Speaker 7: actually of doing a little fridge magnet that has Anthony
• 31:30
  Speaker 7: Albinizi and Chris bowing on it and please put your
• 31:33
  Speaker 7: power bill here.
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: Fair enough.
• 31:36
  Speaker 4: Now, I haven't been to speed but I do travel
• 31:39
  Speaker 4: through your electorate a couple of times a year when
• 31:41
  Speaker 4: I do a bigger trek, a road trip back to Adelaide.
• 31:44
  Speaker 4: And when you go down through Tullybuck and head towards Adelaide,
• 31:48
  Speaker 4: you go through a town that claims to have the
• 31:51
  Speaker 4: best vanilla slices in the world.
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: I think it's Ollien, isn't it.
• 31:56
  Speaker 7: No, No, this is a secret.
• 32:02
  Speaker 6: A little bit of a dog.
• 32:05
  Speaker 7: And absolutely a winner.
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: Great stuff. And we're to the national mp for the
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: seat of Mali in western Victoria. We've going to take
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: a break.
• 32:13
  Speaker 4: On the other side, I'm going to catch up with
• 32:15
  Speaker 4: Alexander Downer. We're going to talk about the latest on
• 32:17
  Speaker 4: the war in Ukraine and President.
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: Trump's attempts to resolve it.
• 32:25
  Speaker 4: Let's go to Adelaide now and catch up with former
• 32:26
  Speaker 4: Foreign Minister Alexander down and good to have you back
• 32:29
  Speaker 4: in the country, Alexander. But I want to take your
• 32:31
  Speaker 4: focus straight back overseas because the Americans under Donald Trump
• 32:36
  Speaker 4: make you another serious push to resolve the situation Ukraine.
• 32:40
  Speaker 4: Is his envoy Steve Wikoff has been in Russia. How
• 32:45
  Speaker 4: much cause for optimism is there that Trump and Putin
• 32:50
  Speaker 4: can actually bring this thing to a closure.
• 32:54
  Speaker 5: Well, I think the two use of praise, there's there's
• 32:59
  Speaker 5: scope for cautious optimism. I mean, it remains to be seen.
• 33:03
  Speaker 5: I know Donald Trump repeatedly says he's been disappointed by Putin,
• 33:09
  Speaker 5: but let's just wait and see. I mean, by the way,
• 33:12
  Speaker 5: I think it's admirable the way President Trump is investing
• 33:17
  Speaker 5: so much time and effort into trying to end that
• 33:20
  Speaker 5: terrible war where huge numbers of people have been killed.
• 33:25
  Speaker 5: He's really making a massive effort to end it, including
• 33:30
  Speaker 5: using the leverage of tariffs. I mean his threatened not
• 33:35
  Speaker 5: just Russia with new sanctions, but countries that import Russian
• 33:40
  Speaker 5: oil with higher tariffs, including India, which is threatened with
• 33:46
  Speaker 5: fifty percent tariffs. So he is going to very great
• 33:52
  Speaker 5: lengths to try to end this war, and hopefully he'll
• 33:55
  Speaker 5: have some success.
• 33:56
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's pretty impressive because a lot of his base
• 33:59
  Speaker 4: really doesn't want him involved in these extra territorial matters.
• 34:03
  Speaker 4: They want him to be very isolationist. But he's doing
• 34:06
  Speaker 4: the right thing, trying to invoke American power here as well,
• 34:08
  Speaker 4: and as you say, through this tariff tactic trying to
• 34:11
  Speaker 4: get other countries to pressure Russia as well, countries such
• 34:14
  Speaker 4: as India.
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: Let's have a look at what Donald Trump's had to say.
• 34:18
  Speaker 11: We had some very good talks with President Putin today
• 34:22
  Speaker 11: and there's a very good chance that we could be
• 34:25
  Speaker 11: ending the ending the round, ending the end of that road.
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: Road was.
• 34:31
  Speaker 11: Long and continues to be long. Been disappointed before with
• 34:35
  Speaker 11: this one. You know, we've solved five wars plus add
• 34:40
  Speaker 11: to that Iran, where we wiped out their nuclear capacity
• 34:43
  Speaker 11: for weapons. They would have had a weapon within two
• 34:46
  Speaker 11: months maybe less.
• 34:48
  Speaker 4: Does it take a Trump Putin's summit to bring this
• 34:51
  Speaker 4: to a conclusion.
• 34:55
  Speaker 5: I don't know about a summit. I think it's the
• 34:57
  Speaker 5: threat of the tariffs and the energy present Trump is
• 35:01
  Speaker 5: putting into bringing the war to an end, which is
• 35:05
  Speaker 5: going to have some effect. I mean, the details will
• 35:09
  Speaker 5: be worked out if there's to be a successful agreement
• 35:12
  Speaker 5: before the summit actually takes place. The summit will probably be,
• 35:17
  Speaker 5: to use the word that people love to use now, performative,
• 35:21
  Speaker 5: so it always be for the optics. But yeah, the
• 35:26
  Speaker 5: work will have been done in advance. I mean, let
• 35:30
  Speaker 5: let's see. I mean, I think President Trump has made
• 35:35
  Speaker 5: the point to President Putin that Putin can't win this war.
• 35:40
  Speaker 5: He will not be able to take over Ukraine, and
• 35:43
  Speaker 5: the Americans, helped by the Europeans, will absolutely make sure
• 35:48
  Speaker 5: that can't happen, and that will cause Putin to reflect.
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: Indeed, well, we'll keep an eye on that one.
• 35:56
  Speaker 4: The developments continue to unfold almost daily on that, and
• 35:59
  Speaker 4: he's got plenty on his plate when it comes to
• 36:01
  Speaker 4: American involvement in the Middle East as well. But I
• 36:04
  Speaker 4: want to jump ahead to the Sky News program going
• 36:07
  Speaker 4: to wear next Monday at seven point thirty The War Cabinet.
• 36:09
  Speaker 4: We talked to you about that last week. You've been
• 36:11
  Speaker 4: involved in the production. You've been able to thrash out
• 36:14
  Speaker 4: these scenarios in the old Cabinet and the old Parliament
• 36:17
  Speaker 4: House in Canberra. What should we expect? What are the
• 36:21
  Speaker 4: key outcomes you're expecting?
• 36:25
  Speaker 5: Well, there there are nine people who are discussing the
• 36:30
  Speaker 5: geopolitics that Australia is wrestling with and what our defense
• 36:34
  Speaker 5: policies should be. I think what was what's interesting is
• 36:37
  Speaker 5: that there is pretty much a consensus between this diverse
• 36:41
  Speaker 5: group of people that we have to strengthen our defense force,
• 36:46
  Speaker 5: and we have to work closely with our allies, in
• 36:49
  Speaker 5: particular with the Americans and the Japanese in the Indo
• 36:53
  Speaker 5: Pacific region, but our other allies. We can't just think
• 36:58
  Speaker 5: of our security in terms of our capacity to defend
• 37:02
  Speaker 5: the coastline of Australia. We've got to think about it
• 37:05
  Speaker 5: in terms of the stability of the region, and if
• 37:09
  Speaker 5: the region destabilizes, then our security will be threatened. If
• 37:13
  Speaker 5: the region is stable and there's a balance of power
• 37:17
  Speaker 5: between the allies and China in the region, then our
• 37:21
  Speaker 5: security will be underwritten. And that's I think a very
• 37:25
  Speaker 5: strong message that will come out of this program.
• 37:28
  Speaker 4: And when there's it Monday, Yeah, great stuff, look forward
• 37:31
  Speaker 4: to Thanks for joining us again.
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: Alexander. Alexander down A there.
• 37:34
  Speaker 4: The longest serving foreign minister of this great nation and
• 37:37
  Speaker 4: he's part of the war cabinet. Here on Sky News
• 37:40
  Speaker 4: seven point thirty on Monday. It should be compulsory viewing.
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: We've got to take a break.
• 37:43
  Speaker 4: On the other side, we're going to talk about the
• 37:45
  Speaker 4: absurdity of our sex discrimination laws when the courts say
• 37:48
  Speaker 4: we can pretend to be any gender we like. The
• 37:55
  Speaker 4: fight to protect spaces for women and girls is ongoing.
• 38:00
  Speaker 4: You recall last year Sal Grover, the founder of women
• 38:03
  Speaker 4: only social networking app at Giggle, was found by a
• 38:06
  Speaker 4: court to have indirectly discriminated against transgender woman Roxanne Tickle
• 38:11
  Speaker 4: by blocking her from joining the app. In that case,
• 38:15
  Speaker 4: the judge ruled sex is changeable and not necessarily binary,
• 38:19
  Speaker 4: so biological.
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: Men can join a women's site. Surely not.
• 38:25
  Speaker 4: Thankfully, Grover launched an appeal which is playing out in
• 38:28
  Speaker 4: the federal court as we speak. Let's bring a liberal
• 38:30
  Speaker 4: senator for Tasmania, Claire Chandler, who's long advocated for common
• 38:34
  Speaker 4: sense on these issues.
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: Good to talk to you again, Claire.
• 38:38
  Speaker 4: Some interesting arguments being put in this appeal, including by
• 38:41
  Speaker 4: the Lesbian Action Group saying, hang on, these sex discrimination
• 38:45
  Speaker 4: laws are not supposed to allow boys to turn up
• 38:48
  Speaker 4: in girls' dormitories and the like.
• 38:53
  Speaker 12: Well, that's exactly right, Chris, and I think the involvement
• 38:57
  Speaker 12: of these other groups in the Tiple versus Gibble case
• 39:01
  Speaker 12: shows just how important this case is going to be
• 39:05
  Speaker 12: in determining whether women and girls do have the right
• 39:09
  Speaker 12: to their own spaces and services and sports. As I
• 39:13
  Speaker 12: have advocated for many years they should and I know
• 39:16
  Speaker 12: Sale has as well, so it's going to be an
• 39:19
  Speaker 12: incredibly important case. And you know, I think it just
• 39:22
  Speaker 12: goes to show that, you know, the state of women
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  Speaker 12: and girls' rights in Australia is seriously under question here.
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  Speaker 12: I mean, we can't say that the Sex Discrimination Act
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  Speaker 12: is doing what it should be doing, which is protecting
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  Speaker 12: the rights of women and girls when a woman like
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  Speaker 12: sal Grover gets dragged through the courts and dragged through
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  Speaker 12: a legal process just because she wanted to offer a
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  Speaker 12: single sex space for women and girls, which in this
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  Speaker 12: case was an online space being her.
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  Speaker 4: App Yeah, and look, that's bad enough, because women and
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  Speaker 4: girls should be able to have that online space to
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  Speaker 4: share discussions between women and girls. It's their right to
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  Speaker 4: exclude biological men. But if we follow this to its
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  Speaker 4: logical conclusions, the same rulings, the same findings would be
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  Speaker 4: applied to physical places where you can't keep biological men
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  Speaker 4: out of women's change rooms and the like.
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  Speaker 3: That's exactly right.
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  Speaker 12: And I'm sure your viewers remember, Chris. A few years ago,
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  Speaker 12: I introduced a bill to the Australian Senate, the Save
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  Speaker 12: Women's Sports Bill, which went to this exact issue that
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  Speaker 12: went to the fact that we knew that women's sports
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  Speaker 12: were under threat, that women and girls didn't have their
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  Speaker 12: right to single sex sports because we had bodies like
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  Speaker 12: Sport Australia and the Australian Olympic Committee and all of
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  Speaker 12: these sporting organizations saying that inclusion in sports should be
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  Speaker 12: on the basis of gender identity rather than sex. And
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  Speaker 12: that's why I introduced a piece of legislation to say, well,
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  Speaker 12: hold up here. Common sense says that women and girls
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  Speaker 12: have had this right for decades and decades and decades and.
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  Speaker 3: They should continue to have that right.
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  Speaker 12: But unfortunately, because the Sex Discrimination Act was amended back
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  Speaker 12: in twenty thirteen to include gender identity as a protected attribute,
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  Speaker 12: that right that women and girls once had to their
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  Speaker 12: own spaces and their own services is no longer absolute.
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  Speaker 3: It's a shocker when you mentioned sport.
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  Speaker 4: Though there are signs that Olympic sports at Olympic levels
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  Speaker 4: are going to get serious about us about making sure
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  Speaker 4: that the women competing in women's events are in fact
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  Speaker 4: women and they have to do a test once only,
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  Speaker 4: but actually have to test their womanhood.
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  Speaker 12: That's exactly right, and I mean again, I've come on
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  Speaker 12: your program before Chris talking about World Rugby, which all
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  Speaker 12: the way back in twenty twenty came up with the
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  Speaker 12: research and the evidence that demonstrates that women are at
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  Speaker 12: a much greater risk of injury on the playing field
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  Speaker 12: if they're playing against biological men.
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  Speaker 3: All of these global sporting.
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  Speaker 12: Organizations have come to the realization that it's not safe
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  Speaker 12: or fair to we expect women to compete against biological
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  Speaker 12: males in sport. But our Australian sporting organizations have been
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  Speaker 12: completely silent on this issue. So there's some real leadership
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  Speaker 12: that's required here and I hope that the Tickle Versus
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  Speaker 12: Giggle case might move the dial on some of these
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  Speaker 12: issues once again. But we're still a long way off
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  Speaker 12: being in a situation in Australia where women and girls
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  Speaker 12: have the right to access single sex services and single
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  Speaker 12: sex bass and single sex voys.
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  Speaker 4: Look, Claire, you've been such a strong advocate on these issues.
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  Speaker 4: Surely ninety percent of the country is behind you. Still,
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  Speaker 4: as you say, not enough action from Australian group, So
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  Speaker 4: all power to your arm and thanks for joining us
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  Speaker 4: again clear channel. They're the liberal senator for Tasmania who
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  Speaker 4: really is working hard.
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  Speaker 3: On these things.
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  Speaker 4: You think that it's just so logical, it's so important,
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  Speaker 4: you think everybody would get behind.
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  Speaker 3: It straight away. We've got to take a break.
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  Speaker 4: On the other side, you hadnas Leak joins us along
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  Speaker 4: with Mark Nicholson.
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  Speaker 3: As we wrap up the week, we'll talk about which.
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  Speaker 4: Politicians are dominating social media platforms and why. Let's get
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  Speaker 4: into our Thursday National Cabinet with Mark Nicholson from that
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  Speaker 4: Mate Studios and with Tim Blair away. Welcome back to
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  Speaker 4: Johannah's Leak, the editorial cartoonists with The Australian Great to
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  Speaker 4: have you back on board your Hannah's I want to
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  Speaker 4: start off with some of your work actually because the
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  Speaker 4: war in Gaza is such a massive international issue, but
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  Speaker 4: it's become such a big issue here in Australia as well.
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  Speaker 4: A couple of your cartoons over the last week or
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  Speaker 4: so have really nailed the issue. You haven't got this
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  Speaker 4: one where you've got Australia announcing Penny Wong and Albo
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  Speaker 4: that Australia is going to join other nations to call
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  Speaker 4: for a Palestinian state, and the murderers of Hummaus are
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  Speaker 4: sitting around saying and they say that crime doesn't pay,
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  Speaker 4: just brilliant stuff. And the other side of that, the
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  Speaker 4: way this plays out in the Australian political debate and
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  Speaker 4: in the media is beautifully encapsulated with this cartoon.
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  Speaker 3: Where you've got the AID truck.
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  Speaker 4: It's Hummus propaganda shoveling out the propaganda and the media
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  Speaker 4: and the UN and the rest of them saying more
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  Speaker 4: and more and more great stuff. You must be dismayed, though,
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  Speaker 4: j Hannahs, what you're seeing play out in the Middle
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  Speaker 4: East and in the public debate.
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  Speaker 13: Yeah, absolutely, thanks thanks for having me back, Chris.
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  Speaker 3: Look, yeah, it is.
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  Speaker 13: It's an awful situation, and I find myself, I'm sure,
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  Speaker 13: like like a lot of us do, sort of scratching
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  Speaker 13: my head when these these purported figures are repeated. You
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  Speaker 13: know that that are sort of handed handed to the
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  Speaker 13: media by HAMAS or HAMAS linked organizations about you know,
• 44:30
  Speaker 13: how many people are starving and without food, casualty numbers,
• 44:34
  Speaker 13: all this sort of stuff. I mean, since when do
• 44:36
  Speaker 13: we accept what terrorists tell us at face value? And
• 44:40
  Speaker 13: yet that is what is being sort of wielded as
• 44:43
  Speaker 13: a cudgel against Israel in this debate. So yeah, when
• 44:48
  Speaker 13: that cartoon sort of popped in my head. I was
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  Speaker 13: quite keen to get it down on paper.
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  Speaker 3: Brilliant stuff and mark the thing is here.
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  Speaker 4: I'm reminded of comic Ali during the Iraq War, because
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  Speaker 4: we've got people on the Sydney Harbor Bridge on Sunday
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  Speaker 4: chanting for the inter Fader, chanting death to the IDF,
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  Speaker 4: death to.
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  Speaker 3: Net and Yahoo.
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  Speaker 4: People who celebrated the slaughter on October the seventh, some
• 45:12
  Speaker 4: of them. And then Albanezi gets up and says it
• 45:15
  Speaker 4: was a peaceful protest.
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  Speaker 14: Yeah, that's right, mate, And look where he's five minutes
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  Speaker 14: away from firing up the jet, him and Penny and
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  Speaker 14: going down there and breaking bread with ha Mass and
• 45:25
  Speaker 14: having a very productive meeting with the goodfellas at her Mass.
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  Speaker 14: Like you can already see him doing something along those lines.
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  Speaker 14: But hats off to you, and it's hard to find
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  Speaker 14: the comedic insight on this whole situation, So hats off
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  Speaker 14: to here for fine here because and being able to
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  Speaker 14: nail a lot of truth as well, because it's it's
• 45:44
  Speaker 14: one hundred percent true that Hamas are probably sitting around going,
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  Speaker 14: holy Cow, I think.
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  Speaker 3: We're winning this pr war. Holy Cow.
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  Speaker 14: I think if we just hold the fort crime crime
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  Speaker 14: might pay, like look at the Australian government, look at
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  Speaker 14: the Sydney Harbor Bridge where we're bloody winning is we
• 45:58
  Speaker 14: better stick around? And it's everyone's just gobbling up. It's
• 46:03
  Speaker 14: gobbling up everything that they're given on social media and
• 46:05
  Speaker 14: they're snapping it up. And it's one hundred percent true
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  Speaker 14: that Albout wears that dumb hat, which I think is
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  Speaker 14: my favorite feature of all your cartoons, by the way,
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  Speaker 14: he always wears that dumber Cooper.
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  Speaker 3: It's such a good feature. It's so dumb.
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  Speaker 4: And if you just give us a few words from Albow,
• 46:19
  Speaker 4: that's spitting sort of talk that we get from Albou.
• 46:24
  Speaker 14: Well, I get sat down for tea and scoonch with
• 46:27
  Speaker 14: the good family and they're good, You're lovely.
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  Speaker 4: What I love the fact is that your hand has
• 46:33
  Speaker 4: always draws that there's always the spittle coming out every
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  Speaker 4: time every time we see Elbow, so we can actually
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  Speaker 4: hear him as well.
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  Speaker 3: It's brilliant stuff.
• 46:41
  Speaker 4: I want to go to social media and there's an
• 46:44
  Speaker 4: interesting stats came out today about the most popular politicians
• 46:49
  Speaker 4: or the politicians with the biggest social media followings.
• 46:52
  Speaker 3: Now. Predictably, most of them are the leftists?
• 46:55
  Speaker 4: The Green left dominate here with young people and because
• 46:57
  Speaker 4: they're in power. But the odd one out, number two
• 47:00
  Speaker 4: on the list, of course is Pauline Hanson. Then you
• 47:03
  Speaker 4: got to take a bit of credit for this mark
• 47:05
  Speaker 4: because a lot of people suggest the reasons she's so
• 47:07
  Speaker 4: big on social media is your cartoons. Let's have a
• 47:11
  Speaker 4: look at a reminder of the cartoons you've been putting
• 47:14
  Speaker 4: out for Paulin whoa Maxy by T two for fifty
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  Speaker 4: five bucks?
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  Speaker 3: They're so cheap? No, that's inflation, not my fault.
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  Speaker 10: I'm gony tide brodo everyone is tast time you will
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  Speaker 10: wit me forty eight point eighty cents perlina?
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  Speaker 3: How many ladies on punk four eighty seven?
• 47:32
  Speaker 14: That's forty two bucks?
• 47:33
  Speaker 3: Give it here? Oh, please give me a break. Interest
• 47:36
  Speaker 3: races went up again. I'm struggling to make against me.
• 47:38
  Speaker 3: Don't blame me. There's the RBA's fault. Please stop it.
• 47:41
  Speaker 3: I'll just time'll delivery driver. I'm a truck under four
• 47:43
  Speaker 3: and a half time. Lookaperely afford fuels.
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: It is I ain't sitting the price of oil, mate,
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: Cough it up, please, I can barely afford my MAXI BOMD.
• 47:50
  Speaker 14: Hey face is not my fault.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, the please explain cartoons. There you go.
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  Speaker 4: That's why there's so many followers, Mark because you stuck
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  Speaker 4: me in one of your cartoons.
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  Speaker 14: That's it made You're You're the viral hack that we
• 48:05
  Speaker 14: do with that always is the is the trick.
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  Speaker 3: May you're the one to do it for us?
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  Speaker 14: Now, I reckon it's very kind if we actually had
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  Speaker 14: a few people reach out today and say that the
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  Speaker 14: cartoons were were the reason for this. I actually think
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  Speaker 14: the cartoons are just a symptom of what makes Pauline
• 48:19
  Speaker 14: the greatest of all time and such a legend. And
• 48:21
  Speaker 14: that's the beautiful recipe of like authentic and fearless, and
• 48:26
  Speaker 14: that's what she is. And I've seen them the way
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  Speaker 14: they do it. James Ashby will throw up a camera
• 48:30
  Speaker 14: and they'll just say what they think. There's no spin
• 48:34
  Speaker 14: cycle that they've got to put it through, there's no
• 48:35
  Speaker 14: media advisors that they have to worry about.
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  Speaker 5: It's all just authentic and fear us.
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  Speaker 14: They say what they think, and I think that's what resonates,
• 48:42
  Speaker 14: particularly on social media.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, sure that's just the best.
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  Speaker 4: That's what And those please Explain cartoons rippers and I
• 48:47
  Speaker 4: can't wait for the movie. Just before we run out
• 48:50
  Speaker 4: of time, I've got to get your thoughts on these
• 48:53
  Speaker 4: pictures we've seen this week. We expect the unexpected with
• 48:56
  Speaker 4: Donald Trump, but so the White House Press court. I
• 48:59
  Speaker 4: suddenly noticed that the residents on the roof of the
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  Speaker 4: White House and I.
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  Speaker 15: Have to shout questions to him. It was extraordinary.
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  Speaker 3: Peter, what are we going to see next from him?
• 49:27
  Speaker 3: Johannas Who knows?
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  Speaker 13: But I remember there was someone with a feel for
• 49:33
  Speaker 13: showman ship.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, he he's the man.
• 49:37
  Speaker 13: I love how he's up there and he's going, Hi, Peter,
• 49:39
  Speaker 13: you look good. Peter there screaming and he into a
• 49:43
  Speaker 13: frenzy wit by doing barely anything at all.
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  Speaker 3: It's quite incredible. It's incredible stuff.
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  Speaker 4: Thanks for joining us, Jo Hannah's Leak and Mark Nicholson
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  Speaker 4: keep an eye out for Jannah's cartoons in the Australian newspaper.
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  Speaker 3: Have a great weekend. I'll see you on Monday. He's
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  Speaker 3: Steve Price,