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FSU HUMILIATED by Louisville 44-20 | Mike Norvell Has to GO | LIVE Reaction · FSU Football: Doak Talk

• 1:24
  Speaker 1: You'll decide to go live or directly after the game.
• 1:26
  Speaker 1: A little different situation than a typical Saturday, I guess
• 1:30
  Speaker 1: you could say Saturday game. Sometimes kind of be at
• 1:33
  Speaker 1: the stadium with being home and with this weather kind
• 1:36
  Speaker 1: of being unpredictable with the hurricane, we kind of decided
• 1:39
  Speaker 1: to go live. Hope everyone that's in the panhandle area
• 1:42
  Speaker 1: is safe and all that type of deal. Let you
• 1:45
  Speaker 1: guys filter in a little bit. Hopefully you guys evacuate
• 1:49
  Speaker 1: if you are in the Pensacola, Panama City, Dustin Miramar
• 1:52
  Speaker 1: Beach area.
• 1:54
  Speaker 2: Hopefully, you guys got it.
• 1:55
  Speaker 1: If not, if you did stay, hopefully the storm isn't
• 1:59
  Speaker 1: too bad on your end.
• 2:05
  Speaker 2: Oh, man.
• 2:09
  Speaker 1: Ended up losing 44-20 to the Louisville Cardinals. I told
• 2:14
  Speaker 1: you guys before the season started. It's crazy. My lights
• 2:19
  Speaker 1: started flicking a little bit. We'll get to that point
• 2:21
  Speaker 1: in a little bit. 44-20, lost to Louisville. Start off,
• 2:27
  Speaker 1: there's the tale of two houses. Not necessarily two houses,
• 2:31
  Speaker 1: the tale of two cities.
• 2:33
  Speaker 3: Dr.
• 2:34
  Speaker 2: Jekyll and Dr. Hyde. Dr. Jekyll, Dr.
• 2:43
  Speaker 1: Hyde, man, pretty much as far as how that game
• 2:45
  Speaker 1: played out. We started off real hot, kind of similar
• 2:48
  Speaker 1: to Virginia. I thought we were starting to become a
• 2:51
  Speaker 1: little bit consistent. It was 14-0 with a chance to
• 2:53
  Speaker 1: go up 21-0. With fourth and goal from the two,
• 2:58
  Speaker 1: and I agree with the play call to actually go
• 3:00
  Speaker 1: for it. I know a lot of people saying kick
• 3:04
  Speaker 1: the field goal, go up 17 in that situation. I mean,
• 3:08
  Speaker 1: it's fourth and goal. I think you're on a two-yard line,
• 3:11
  Speaker 1: two-and-a-half-yard line. I would have went for it as well,
• 3:13
  Speaker 1: just being in that situation. Then if you don't get it,
• 3:17
  Speaker 1: so to speak, you got to drive 97 yards. end
• 3:20
  Speaker 1: up not getting it. I don't agree with the play call. Well,
• 3:22
  Speaker 1: I don't agree with the play call even though the
• 3:24
  Speaker 1: play was still there. Even the broadcaster mentioned a point
• 3:27
  Speaker 1: as far as it was too long developing, right? The
• 3:29
  Speaker 1: play action, the chroma, whoever didn't get the ball out.
• 3:32
  Speaker 1: If you're going to motion that receiver across, as soon
• 3:35
  Speaker 1: as that ball is snapped, you pretty much got to
• 3:36
  Speaker 1: get that ball out in order for it to have
• 3:38
  Speaker 1: a chance to be completed because the numbers aren't in
• 3:41
  Speaker 1: your favor in the first place with it being a three-on-three.
• 3:44
  Speaker 1: The defensive back from Louisville was kind of trailing Boggs No,
• 3:48
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, not Boggs.
• 3:49
  Speaker 2: Jason Lopez.
• 3:51
  Speaker 1: So yeah, you gotta get that ball out quick. You
• 3:53
  Speaker 1: can't play action and make it a long, developing play.
• 3:57
  Speaker 1: It has to happen quickly. So I don't agree with
• 3:59
  Speaker 1: the play calling and shit. Right after that, those guys
• 4:02
  Speaker 1: go 97 yards to the very next play. The very
• 4:09
  Speaker 1: next play, Isaac Brown goes 97 yards to the house,
• 4:12
  Speaker 1: literally untouched.
• 4:14
  Speaker 2: And the rest is history.
• 4:19
  Speaker 1: And it's wild because, you know, Mike Norvell is typically
• 4:21
  Speaker 1: on the bad side of history, right, when it comes
• 4:24
  Speaker 1: to FSU stuff. That was the longest play Florida State
• 4:28
  Speaker 1: has ever given up in program history, 97 yards. Again,
• 4:31
  Speaker 1: Mike Norvell typically is on the bad side of history
• 4:34
  Speaker 1: when it comes to FSU. And the rain just started
• 4:38
  Speaker 1: to pour from there. 35 straight points for Louisville, literally
• 4:41
  Speaker 1: 35 straight points.
• 4:41
  Speaker 2: 35 straight points. As bad as the defense was, and
• 4:48
  Speaker 2: it was bad. Man, that offense was bad.
• 4:50
  Speaker 1: It was terrible as well during that stretch. But 537
• 4:55
  Speaker 1: total yards, 397 rushing yards, bro.
• 4:57
  Speaker 2: 397 rushing yards.
• 4:58
  Speaker 1: Fucking Isaac Brown is, I'm sorry, Isaac Brown is still running.
• 5:05
  Speaker 1: This dude had 235 yards and two touchdowns, man. He's
• 5:08
  Speaker 1: literally still running. They had six rushing touchdowns. Six.
• 5:11
  Speaker 3: Six.
• 5:12
  Speaker 1: 397 rushing yards, 400 rushing yards, and six rushing touchdowns.
• 5:23
  Speaker 1: And then, of course, the defense. Well, the secondary really
• 5:25
  Speaker 1: had to do too much because he ran the ball
• 5:26
  Speaker 1: so much. But whenever we had to have them in
• 5:29
  Speaker 1: passing situations, Wayne McCoy did his thing. Three catches for
• 5:32
  Speaker 1: 78 yards. Had a few big plays down the field.
• 5:36
  Speaker 1: Would have had a touchdown. Would have had a touchdown
• 5:38
  Speaker 1: if it wasn't for, I think, his last catch if
• 5:43
  Speaker 1: It wasn't for the holding call because he was wide open.
• 5:45
  Speaker 1: Thibodeau kept running with the defensive back when he just played,
• 5:48
  Speaker 1: you know, typical coverage and not held him this, that,
• 5:51
  Speaker 1: and the third. That would have been the touchdown and
• 5:52
  Speaker 1: would have been striking him down for another six points. But, yeah,
• 5:56
  Speaker 1: Brian Brown ate Tony White's lunch. And it was the
• 5:58
  Speaker 1: same thing that Alabama did, right, as far as running
• 6:01
  Speaker 1: the football. They attacked the edges. Like, we have no one.
• 6:03
  Speaker 1: We have no edge setters. There's no one to set
• 6:05
  Speaker 1: the edge for FSU. It's either two things. We either
• 6:08
  Speaker 1: come soft on the edge and it creates the lane
• 6:11
  Speaker 1: or we kind of ole and kind of whiff it.
• 6:15
  Speaker 1: You guys know what I'm talking about. You kind of
• 6:17
  Speaker 1: whiff that block and not really take it on with
• 6:18
  Speaker 1: your shoulder and creating that leverage on your outside. You
• 6:21
  Speaker 1: kind of whiff and lay it a little bit, which
• 6:24
  Speaker 1: creates a huge gap. That's literally all they did on
• 6:27
  Speaker 1: the outside. Just gassed us within those stretch plays and
• 6:30
  Speaker 1: things like that. Offensively, man, after those three drives, offensively,
• 6:38
  Speaker 1: after those first three drives, we literally came It was
• 6:42
  Speaker 1: nothing close. We didn't score like a full three quarters,
• 6:46
  Speaker 1: close to a full three quarters. We went through, excuse me,
• 6:48
  Speaker 1: went through, we didn't score points for almost three, three,
• 6:53
  Speaker 1: four quarters at that first drive. After those first three drives,
• 6:55
  Speaker 1: our last 14 points was what, like two minutes left
• 6:58
  Speaker 1: in the first quarter.
• 6:59
  Speaker 2: We didn't score.
• 7:00
  Speaker 1: We didn't get the 20th, the 20th, the 20th, um,
• 7:11
  Speaker 1: Hold on, I'm getting your damn text messages all late
• 7:13
  Speaker 1: right now, my bad.
• 7:17
  Speaker 2: Lost my train of thought reading your text messages. My apologies. But, yeah,
• 7:20
  Speaker 2: we ended up.
• 7:23
  Speaker 1: Just falling on offense, man, pretty much going three straight
• 7:26
  Speaker 1: quarters without scoring points. Just a combination of a lot
• 7:28
  Speaker 1: of things on offense. The offensive line was terrible. Did
• 7:31
  Speaker 1: a really good job, a really bad job of pass block.
• 7:33
  Speaker 1: I thought we did a good job of run blocking initially,
• 7:36
  Speaker 1: especially within the middle of the Louisville defense. We kind
• 7:40
  Speaker 1: of got what we wanted. But once, that's another thing, offensively,
• 7:43
  Speaker 1: we kind of got what we wanted to do once
• 7:45
  Speaker 1: Louisville kind of started pouring on to us. Receivers, bad drops.
• 7:50
  Speaker 1: Makai Dan's got a few bad drops. Even on that
• 7:52
  Speaker 1: last touchdown he had, it wasn't a clean catch. We
• 7:55
  Speaker 1: had to struggle with that in order for it to
• 7:56
  Speaker 1: be reviewed. And then Deuce, like I, Deuce, I don't know, bro.
• 7:59
  Speaker 1: Like it's, like you've been missing, man, on the back
• 8:05
  Speaker 1: of the milk carton. catches you brought down, a lot
• 8:09
  Speaker 1: of tough contested catches that you had last year, that
• 8:12
  Speaker 1: you would make last year. You know, you've been dropping
• 8:14
  Speaker 1: nose and just, it hasn't been good aside of the
• 8:16
  Speaker 1: Alabama game. And the broadcaster brought up a good-ass point, too,
• 8:19
  Speaker 1: as far as I don't think Norvell and the scheme
• 8:22
  Speaker 1: is doing you any favors because every ball we try
• 8:25
  Speaker 1: to give you is pretty much, aside from a few
• 8:27
  Speaker 1: slants and things like that, but pretty much it's like downfield.
• 8:30
  Speaker 1: We don't emphasize getting you the ball across the middle
• 8:33
  Speaker 1: of the field and things like that. It's We've been
• 8:36
  Speaker 1: pretty much one-dimensional, so to speak, and that goes to
• 8:38
  Speaker 1: Mike Norvell and the play calling.
• 8:40
  Speaker 2: But, shit, 44-20.
• 8:45
  Speaker 1: Louisville, we thought Virginia was a tipping sign, but it
• 8:47
  Speaker 1: was pretty much, if you guys remember last year, that
• 8:51
  Speaker 1: Wake Forest went out of nowhere. We dominated Wake Forest.
• 8:53
  Speaker 1: I wonder where the hell this team come from, and
• 8:54
  Speaker 1: Wake Forest is a pretty good team. It was a
• 8:56
  Speaker 1: home game at that. That's pretty much the same thing
• 8:59
  Speaker 1: we saw last week with Virginia. That's what we wanted
• 9:01
  Speaker 1: to kind of hold judgment to see how we would
• 9:03
  Speaker 1: look on the road and sure enough, the true Florida
• 9:06
  Speaker 1: state team, um, showed up as we haven't won the
• 9:09
  Speaker 1: road game since 2023, a true road game since 2023,
• 9:12
  Speaker 1: you know, knocking, knocking down my damn spear pretty much
• 9:18
  Speaker 1: indictment of the Florida state season thus far.
• 9:20
  Speaker 2: Man, might not be 10 years.
• 9:21
  Speaker 1: It's just been that type of, that type of situation,
• 9:24
  Speaker 1: but not having won a true road game since the
• 9:26
  Speaker 1: Florida game, 2023 going on three, four years, going on three,
• 9:28
  Speaker 1: four years. Um, And I think I said before the season,
• 9:37
  Speaker 1: I think this season, for the sake of it, it's
• 9:39
  Speaker 1: going to go either good or it's going to go good.
• 9:41
  Speaker 2: And I really believe it's either going to go good
• 9:44
  Speaker 2: or it's going to go good.
• 9:44
  Speaker 1: I feel like this was the kiss of death for
• 9:46
  Speaker 1: Mike Norvell. No road win since 2023. This guy dominated
• 9:51
  Speaker 1: tonight versus Louisville. You got Miami on deck next week,
• 9:55
  Speaker 1: and we know what Mario is going to do. He
• 9:57
  Speaker 1: has what he wants to do, rather.
• 9:59
  Speaker 4: He has.
• 10:00
  Speaker 3: the.
• 10:03
  Speaker 1: Stars are in line in some night game against Miami.
• 10:05
  Speaker 1: He's going to have the house pack as far as
• 10:08
  Speaker 1: recruits and that type of deal. I think he's one
• 10:10
  Speaker 1: of the biggest recruits in Miami history or something along
• 10:12
  Speaker 1: those lines as far as five stars and four stars combined.
• 10:15
  Speaker 1: So they're going to try to embarrass us down in Miami.
• 10:17
  Speaker 1: And then you have a bye week after that. We're
• 10:19
  Speaker 1: currently with three and three. Get whooped by Miami. You're
• 10:21
  Speaker 1: sitting at three and four. You have Clemson coming into
• 10:24
  Speaker 1: Dote Campbell. That could go either way. Like, long story short,
• 10:28
  Speaker 1: I don't see us winning eight games. Like, you aren't
• 10:30
  Speaker 1: seeing eight games. You're three and three right now. Looking
• 10:34
  Speaker 1: at three and four after Miami with one, two, three, four, five.
• 10:39
  Speaker 1: With six games left. Three and four after Miami with
• 10:42
  Speaker 1: six games left. Lose to Clemson. to win Clemson as well. Say,
• 10:46
  Speaker 1: for instance, you beat Clemson. You're 4-4 after the Miami
• 10:49
  Speaker 1: game and Clemson game. You have Boston College, which is
• 10:53
  Speaker 1: a road game. Boston College versus a road game. I mean,
• 10:58
  Speaker 1: you can beat Boston College at the same time.
• 11:00
  Speaker 2: It's a road game. You go to Pitt. Road game.
• 11:04
  Speaker 2: Another road game at Pitt.
• 11:05
  Speaker 1: And Pitt is undefeated right now, which we don't know
• 11:08
  Speaker 1: how they'll look outside of Mason-Hindle.
• 11:10
  Speaker 2: Then you got NC State and Florida.
• 11:12
  Speaker 1: Florida's going to do the same thing that I thought
• 11:15
  Speaker 1: it was going to do the same thing that Louisville
• 11:19
  Speaker 1: did tonight, man.
• 11:20
  Speaker 2: They're going to run the ball, man. You know, we
• 11:23
  Speaker 2: want to say that Missouri has the blueprint.
• 11:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, motherfuckers, teams may have the blueprint to stop Florida,
• 11:28
  Speaker 1: but we don't have the goddamn ingredients to stop Florida.
• 11:30
  Speaker 2: The blueprint is there. Hell no! Exactly.
• 11:34
  Speaker 1: Hell no, motherfucker. We ain't got the ingredients to stop Florida.
• 11:36
  Speaker 1: We don't have, when I say the ingredients, we have
• 11:38
  Speaker 1: the players, the coach, and everything included. the smarts to
• 11:41
  Speaker 1: put guys in certain situations. We're not going to be
• 11:43
  Speaker 1: able to stop the edge. So, yeah, it may be
• 11:45
  Speaker 1: the blueprint to stop Florida, but it's not the blueprint
• 11:47
  Speaker 1: for Florida State to stop Florida.
• 11:48
  Speaker 2: So that's going to be another L as well.
• 11:50
  Speaker 1: And, hell, you're looking at a team that got it
• 11:52
  Speaker 1: within three straight years, haven't beaten any rival, Miami, Florida,
• 11:57
  Speaker 1: Clemson included.
• 11:58
  Speaker 2: You beat Bama last year. Whoop-dee-doo. Didn't really capitalize on that.
• 12:04
  Speaker 1: So what have you done within the last three years
• 12:06
  Speaker 1: as far as, you know, since that ACC championship? Looking
• 12:10
  Speaker 1: at six or seven, maybe I'm at a stretch. I'm
• 12:13
  Speaker 1: going to say six wins probably for this team. I
• 12:14
  Speaker 1: say six wins. Seven would be an absolute stretch.
• 12:19
  Speaker 2: Exactly. Shout out to the Don, Donald.
• 12:21
  Speaker 1: But, yeah, seven wins is going to be a stretch,
• 12:23
  Speaker 1: and eight wins is pretty much not as instant for me, man.
• 12:26
  Speaker 1: That's just where I'm at with it. But I'm going
• 12:28
  Speaker 1: to probably open up the phone line pretty quickly and
• 12:29
  Speaker 1: see what you guys are thinking. I know y'all want
• 12:31
  Speaker 1: to get y'all takes off and talk, man. I want
• 12:32
  Speaker 1: to definitely let you guys do your thing. So let's
• 12:36
  Speaker 1: open the call lines up and get it going, man,
• 12:38
  Speaker 1: because this is some bullshit.
• 12:42
  Speaker 3: TJ.
• 12:43
  Speaker 2: Oh, my God, man. You got to, bro, you got to.
• 12:47
  Speaker 2: God damn, man. How many is this going to be, bro?
• 12:50
  Speaker 5: Man, they got my other Twitter account, man. So, for
• 12:53
  Speaker 5: all the listeners, I live in Louisville. I'm leaving the
• 12:57
  Speaker 5: game with two Louisville fans. Let me tell you this.
• 13:00
  Speaker 5: Y'all got to fire this, man. What are we doing, man?
• 13:03
  Speaker 5: I ain't even excited for Saturdays no more, man.
• 13:07
  Speaker 6: It's a drag. I'd rather go to work than watch him.
• 13:10
  Speaker 6: He's pathetic.
• 13:12
  Speaker 3: We was up 14-0 and about to score.
• 13:14
  Speaker 5: CJ, when I sent you that image on Twitter, y'all
• 13:19
  Speaker 5: don't understand.
• 13:19
  Speaker 6: How quiet it was. They were ready to go home. Look,
• 13:24
  Speaker 6: they was yelling at their kids.
• 13:26
  Speaker 5: I'm sitting there. I'm over doing the chop at people's face,
• 13:29
  Speaker 5: talking mad stuff.
• 13:30
  Speaker 6: I can't cuss. I ain't going to mess your money up.
• 13:32
  Speaker 3: They telling kids to sit down.
• 13:34
  Speaker 5: They drinking Natty Light or whatever they getting drunk off of.
• 13:37
  Speaker 5: Everybody yelling at their wife. People ain't about to have
• 13:39
  Speaker 5: sex tonight. I was like, look, we about to blow
• 13:41
  Speaker 5: these kids up. Man, that man ran that play. I
• 13:45
  Speaker 5: looked at my homeboys like, man, get me the fuck
• 13:47
  Speaker 5: out of here, man. I don't want to go home.
• 13:49
  Speaker 2: And then the next play to Lopez, man, I'm just.
• 13:51
  Speaker 6: Like, look, I know he a freshman.
• 13:53
  Speaker 3: He cool.
• 13:54
  Speaker 5: His mama probably cute. You know, he's Latino, and I
• 13:57
  Speaker 5: got a Latino girl. But anyway, like, why don't we
• 14:00
  Speaker 5: try to get a true freshman?
• 14:01
  Speaker 6: Get him out of Chroma.
• 14:03
  Speaker 5: Like, he was out there looking like old OJ Simpson.
• 14:06
  Speaker 5: And then, dog, man, the boat race came on. Then
• 14:09
  Speaker 5: everybody came up to me, CJ, and I got my
• 14:10
  Speaker 5: FSU sweater on. They talking stuff to me, dog. I
• 14:14
  Speaker 5: can't—drunk—this old drunk white man talking stuff to me. I
• 14:17
  Speaker 5: wanted to punch him in the jaw, but I ain't
• 14:19
  Speaker 5: had no bail money on me, so I couldn't beat
• 14:21
  Speaker 5: him up. It's just— we in traffic right now.
• 14:23
  Speaker 6: I'm hungry. I want a 12-piece, man.
• 14:26
  Speaker 5: Like, I'm just— it' s just sad, man. I hate— I hate— I hate
• 14:30
  Speaker 5: all the players, man. Like, the Desirs are pathetic. I'm
• 14:34
  Speaker 5: watching them, and all the plays are open. So I'm not,
• 14:38
  Speaker 5: you know, I'm a basketball guy, CJ.
• 14:39
  Speaker 6: I'm looking like, throw the ball. He's open.
• 14:43
  Speaker 7: Daniel's holding the ball.
• 14:45
  Speaker 2: Man, look, see, we're firing.
• 14:48
  Speaker 5: If I saw, look, I mean, if I see Norvell
• 14:50
  Speaker 5: right now, I would jump out this truck.
• 14:52
  Speaker 6: I'm in a F-150 truck. I would jump out and
• 14:54
  Speaker 6: fight him. That's how mad I am, CJ. I hate
• 14:57
  Speaker 6: this team.
• 14:58
  Speaker 5: I hate him. If I hadn't been a fan of
• 15:00
  Speaker 5: FSU for 40 years, 40, 40 years.
• 15:03
  Speaker 6: I go jump on Georgia's bandwagon, but I can't.
• 15:06
  Speaker 2: Bring Jimbo back.
• 15:07
  Speaker 6: I don't care. Anybody but this guy. Bring back Willie.
• 15:11
  Speaker 2: Where's Willie at?
• 15:13
  Speaker 5: I'd rather have Willie than this, man.
• 15:15
  Speaker 6: This is ridiculous.
• 15:16
  Speaker 7: That's it, man.
• 15:18
  Speaker 6: Thank you, CJ, for letting me talk. I'm hungry.
• 15:20
  Speaker 2: Appreciate you for joining, bro.
• 15:22
  Speaker 1: I know you go to every time Florida State plays Louisville,
• 15:25
  Speaker 1: you definitely go to the games.
• 15:26
  Speaker 6: That's the only game I get to go to.
• 15:27
  Speaker 2: They suck.
• 15:30
  Speaker 7: That's it, man. Have a good show, man.
• 15:31
  Speaker 6: I'm going to hit you in the super chat. Shout
• 15:33
  Speaker 6: out to my man Drew Paul.
• 15:33
  Speaker 8: I don't know where you at, but shout out to you.
• 15:35
  Speaker 2: Appreciate you, bro. Much love.
• 15:38
  Speaker 1: We got Brandon from Louisville. Let's switch it over, man.
• 15:40
  Speaker 1: I know you guys don't want to talk that shit tonight, man.
• 15:42
  Speaker 1: Let's hang out a little bit.
• 15:44
  Speaker 2: Izzy, what's good? Got you muted, home.
• 15:46
  Speaker 3: That's... Izzy, don't unmute. We can switch to Rogue, Noel.
• 15:58
  Speaker 2: Rogue, let's do it. Yo, you can hear me?
• 16:00
  Speaker 7: What's going on, CJ?
• 16:01
  Speaker 2: Oh, we got you. What's good, bro? Talk to me.
• 16:03
  Speaker 2: How you feeling? Man, listen here, man.
• 16:07
  Speaker 9: I'm taking another shot of Don for that bullshit I
• 16:10
  Speaker 9: just done seen, man.
• 16:11
  Speaker 2: Either way it go, this bottle got to get empty
• 16:13
  Speaker 2: one way.
• 16:14
  Speaker 9: It was either going to be in celebration or delegation.
• 16:17
  Speaker 9: Because look at here. That shit, what I just seen,
• 16:20
  Speaker 9: is a bunch of... Hey, it's just like the movie.
• 16:23
  Speaker 6: You're nutless.
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: Ain't a bit of fight in you. You know what
• 16:26
  Speaker 2: I mean?
• 16:27
  Speaker 6: We got to coach that nutless.
• 16:30
  Speaker 9: In God's green earth, I say 95% of coaches that's
• 16:34
  Speaker 9: on the two-yard line.
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: Four fucking down, kick the field goal, take the points.
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: Kick the field goal, take the points.
• 16:43
  Speaker 9: Mm-hmm.
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: Keep going. Keep going.
• 16:46
  Speaker 9: And then, like, motherfucker, everybody seen the movie Major League.
• 16:51
  Speaker 9: Tony White, Pink Slip need to be in his locker tonight.
• 16:54
  Speaker 9: Soon as his ass get off the plane.
• 16:56
  Speaker 10: Pink Slip. Pink Slip for him. Pink Slip for Norvell.
• 16:59
  Speaker 10: Pink Slip for the Desire Twins. Pink Slip for Daniel Lyons.
• 17:04
  Speaker 10: Pink Slip for the whole, everybody except for Wynn. Wynn
• 17:07
  Speaker 10: be doing his job. I'm going to give him a pass.
• 17:09
  Speaker 10: My boy is a freshman. Everybody else, man, where your
• 17:13
  Speaker 10: balls at? Where your balls at? You're a reflection of
• 17:16
  Speaker 10: your coach. And, man, look at here.
• 17:18
  Speaker 9: I don't know how long, I don't know what this
• 17:20
  Speaker 9: man got on the administration to be a Seminole for
• 17:24
  Speaker 9: this damn long.
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: Like, let's have that same willing energy. Let's have that
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: Willie energy.
• 17:30
  Speaker 9: And look, Willie, I'm going to give Willie, he sucked ass,
• 17:33
  Speaker 9: but listen, if Norvell sucked ass too, let's.
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: Fire him like y'all did Willie.
• 17:39
  Speaker 9: But no, we give him an extension because he had
• 17:41
  Speaker 9: an outlier year.
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: Nah, fuck that.
• 17:44
  Speaker 9: We Florida State, I've been a Florida State fan since
• 17:47
  Speaker 9: I came out my daddy nutsack. And that was in 1987.
• 17:51
  Speaker 9: You get what I'm saying? So all I knew, and
• 17:53
  Speaker 9: I'm 39, all I knew was dominance.
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: This shit is embarrassing, man. This shit is embarrassing.
• 18:00
  Speaker 6: They ass got to go.
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: They got to go, bro.
• 18:02
  Speaker 9: Like, this shit.
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: Bro, CJ, listen.
• 18:06
  Speaker 9: As long as you've been a Florida State fan, bro,
• 18:08
  Speaker 9: our defense has been what?
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: Dominant, bro. Dominant, bro.
• 18:13
  Speaker 9: I would fire everybody on the defense except.
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: For Ernie Sims.
• 18:17
  Speaker 9: I would tell Ernie Sims, do what you know best.
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: Because guess what?
• 18:21
  Speaker 9: You are a baby of Andrews, of Mickey. So you're
• 18:26
  Speaker 9: going to know what that shit look like.
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: You probably find some people that you've seen in practice.
• 18:29
  Speaker 9: Like, damn, he a dog. You know what I'm saying?
• 18:32
  Speaker 9: Tony White, I don't know. You look like a goddamn
• 18:35
  Speaker 9: butterball Buddha.
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: You feel me?
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: Like.
• 18:38
  Speaker 9: Bro, you don't got no intensity. Mike Norvell, you're not yelling,
• 18:41
  Speaker 9: getting on nobody's ass. Like, bro, where the ball's at?
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: That's all I'm saying. And I'm going to leave it
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: at that, bro.
• 18:47
  Speaker 7: I appreciate you.
• 18:48
  Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying? Shout out to Dope Talk.
• 18:50
  Speaker 9: Y'all make sure y'all smash that like button. I'm about
• 18:53
  Speaker 9: to take another shot.
• 18:54
  Speaker 6: Because guess what?
• 18:55
  Speaker 9: Don't nobody over there got no balls, man.
• 18:58
  Speaker 6: Ain't nobody.
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: Ain't nobody.
• 19:00
  Speaker 9: Getting on nobody's ass except for Jones.
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: I seen number 10. I seen him yelling at a
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: couple of people.
• 19:05
  Speaker 9: But, see, we in the era of baby-ass motherfuckers who, oh, man,
• 19:09
  Speaker 9: I don't know who you think you yelling at, bitch.
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: I'm yelling at you. I need you to do your job.
• 19:14
  Speaker 9: And that shit is not that hard. Y'all got talent.
• 19:19
  Speaker 11: Man, oh, don't even get me.
• 19:20
  Speaker 9: Before I end it, before I end it, bro, don't
• 19:23
  Speaker 9: get me started on Ashton Daniels' slow foot, slow read,
• 19:27
  Speaker 9: and one side of the field ass, bro.
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: Like, that shit is smoking mirrors.
• 19:32
  Speaker 9: That he can, that he, yeah, okay, we know you
• 19:34
  Speaker 9: can rush. We know you can run. But it's slow
• 19:37
  Speaker 9: as shit, bro, a little bit. And then on top
• 19:40
  Speaker 9: of that, bro, we need you to read these fields.
• 19:41
  Speaker 9: We got these dogs out here that can that can
• 19:44
  Speaker 9: really catch the ball for real like really catch the
• 19:47
  Speaker 9: ball for real but yo you it's supposed to be
• 19:49
  Speaker 9: one one thousand two one thousand three ball out that's
• 19:52
  Speaker 9: what I always taught ever since part one of you
• 19:55
  Speaker 9: get what I'm saying and I'm gonna leave it off
• 19:57
  Speaker 9: at there sorry for the rant about to take.
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: Another shot take another shot man take one for me
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: too dog for sure I'm gonna take three on I
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: like it for sure.
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: Appreciate you for joining my boy All right, we got next.
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: We got Ro. No, talk to me.
• 20:26
  Speaker 11: Do I have to be PG?
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: No, do what you got to do.
• 20:30
  Speaker 4: I'm going to kick your ass when I see you
• 20:32
  Speaker 4: because I'm going to tell you why I'm going to
• 20:33
  Speaker 4: kick your ass because I've been sitting over there in
• 20:35
  Speaker 4: the listening waiting to talk. Mike's so shitty you can't
• 20:40
  Speaker 4: even have a fucking tailgate this year because ain't nobody
• 20:42
  Speaker 4: coming to that motherfucker. I'm going to kick your ass
• 20:44
  Speaker 4: when I see you, CJ. I'm going to kick your ass. James,
• 20:48
  Speaker 4: I ain't even worried about James. James got bigger problems
• 20:51
  Speaker 4: like his airline and shit. Listen, I'm tired of Mike.
• 20:58
  Speaker 4: I'm sick of that motherfucker. I'm tired of Mike. I'm
• 21:02
  Speaker 4: sick of him. I want Mike left in damn Kentucky.
• 21:05
  Speaker 4: Leave Tony.
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: Leave 14.
• 21:07
  Speaker 4: You can leave motherfucking zero because he's soft as baby shit.
• 21:13
  Speaker 4: We got a team full of damn Dak Prescott. Damn, man,
• 21:19
  Speaker 4: this don't look nothing like the Florida State football that
• 21:22
  Speaker 4: I grew up watching.
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: It don't.
• 21:25
  Speaker 4: I'm talking about, man, like, uh-uh. I'm used to the
• 21:28
  Speaker 4: Derrick Brooks, the Sam Coward, the Shade Trees. Like, man,
• 21:36
  Speaker 4: the Deion Sanders, Samari Rose, Tamaric Vanover, man. I swear,
• 21:47
  Speaker 4: if you go to Alabama right now and exhume Bobby,
• 21:50
  Speaker 4: he ass up. Man, Mike done ran this program, I'm
• 21:56
  Speaker 4: talking about so far in the ground, you got to
• 21:58
  Speaker 4: go back to the Darryl Mudra days. For those that
• 22:01
  Speaker 4: don't know, that was the coach before Bobby Bounder became
• 22:04
  Speaker 4: the coach. I mean, Mike is fucking, he Darryl Mudra pathetic.
• 22:11
  Speaker 4: You know, worst fucking coach I ever seen in Tallahassee.
• 22:14
  Speaker 12: Like, man, you.
• 22:16
  Speaker 4: I sunshine pumped. I stayed on that train as long
• 22:18
  Speaker 4: as I could, man. Like, I'm tired of this motherfucker.
• 22:21
  Speaker 4: Last year, I gave away more tickets than games I attended.
• 22:27
  Speaker 13: Like, I'm tired of this.
• 22:29
  Speaker 4: Man, I'm tired of riding up there to see us
• 22:32
  Speaker 4: look bad. Or if we ain't looking bad in Tallahassee,
• 22:35
  Speaker 4: we looking bad on national TV. Like, man, we ought
• 22:37
  Speaker 4: to fucking laugh and stop college football. And we have
• 22:41
  Speaker 4: been for, like, the last three years. I'm sick of
• 22:44
  Speaker 4: that motherfucker. And then what he do, he already ass.
• 22:48
  Speaker 4: So he go get Mr. Ball-headed ass to come join him.
• 22:52
  Speaker 4: I'm talking about he shit and Tony White the damn
• 22:58
  Speaker 4: triple shit.
• 23:00
  Speaker 8: I call him the three stooges.
• 23:02
  Speaker 12: Get him, Ashton, which Ashton, he.
• 23:05
  Speaker 4: Ain't even have no business being here, but Mike like
• 23:07
  Speaker 4: to shop at Dollar Tree for motherfuckers.
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: Exactly, bro.
• 23:10
  Speaker 6: So I ain't gonna.
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: Be playing him.
• 23:12
  Speaker 4: He be sitting on the sideline looking like he on
• 23:14
  Speaker 4: the damn spectrum. But I ain't going to blame him
• 23:19
  Speaker 4: because Mike bought him here. He belonged at damn Bethune-Cookman
• 23:25
  Speaker 4: across the tracks. He don't belong at FSU. Mike always
• 23:31
  Speaker 4: fucking bargain shopping.
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: Always.
• 23:34
  Speaker 4: Man, like, get that man out of Tallahassee.
• 23:38
  Speaker 13: Please.
• 23:39
  Speaker 4: Like, damn, if the administration, if y'all care anything about
• 23:42
  Speaker 4: the fans, man, pull the plug. Get these people up
• 23:45
  Speaker 4: out of there. Like, we sick of this shit.
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: We sick of this shit.
• 23:54
  Speaker 4: I'm gone.
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: That road no and gave up is over. I know
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: it's tough. I get it, man. That shit was crazy, man.
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: But at the same time, I'm just at the point
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: where I'm.
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: Past that, right?
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: It's either going to go good or it's going to
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: go good. And I feel like we're at a point
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: of it going good. We just got to let the
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: play out and ride the storm a little bit longer.
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: Then I feel like if, like I say, if these
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: people truly care about us, this down to third, if
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: they care about us, we should get some good news
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: pretty soon.
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: Crazy stat, man.
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: Louisville went on a 44-6 run since the first quarter.
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: 44-6 run since the first quarter. From the second quarter on,
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: now it was a 44-6 run.
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: Damn.
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: CJ, are we already had Brandon or no? Is this
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: a new caller or no?
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we already had him.
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: All right, guys.
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: We got the phone line still open. Tap in if
• 25:00
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• 25:01
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• 25:04
  Speaker 1: Appreciate you guys hanging out with us a little late night.
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: I know the majority of you guys are probably on
• 25:09
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• 25:11
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• 25:13
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• 25:18
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• 25:20
  Speaker 3: I'll be a caller for a second, CJ. I don't
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: know how this doesn't end tonight.
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: You already on?
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they can hear me.
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: Okay, let's talk to them. How are you feeling?
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: I don't know how you can keep them. after this, right?
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: You're going to get blown out by Miami next week. Like,
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: no doubt. Like, you're getting blown out. Like, do you
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: think they fire him after Miami? Like, we get blown
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: out next week. They got to let him go, right?
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think logically that was the timing.
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: And that was the game I was kind of looking
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: for for Mike Norvell to be fired, so to speak,
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: within this four-game stretch if he goes bad. I feel like,
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: and I say this, I think Louisville will be the game.
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Virginia will be the game. We win out
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: of this four-game stretch. First road game against Louisville, I
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: wasn't confident in the course against Miami. You get blown
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: out by Louisville, and then you go down south of Miami,
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: you get blown out in your rivalry game. With the
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: bye week, I really think if you get blown out
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: by Miami, the drums are going to be too loud.
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: They're going to have to make that move. Then you
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: have an interim head coach going into the– The next game,
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: the Clemson game, looking at the comments, saying, you know,
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: this shit's kind of real. They got Harlan coming in
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: and giving his takes off.
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: Go ahead, bro. All right, so let's just look forward
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: for a second while we're waiting on somebody else popping
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: in and calling. The call-in link is pinned on the comments,
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: so all y'all got to do is click it. If
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: they fire him after Miami, or let's just say they
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: fire him Monday, who are you hiring? And I see
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: we got Jared. So you tell me who your number
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: one choice is. Then we'll go to the next caller.
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: All right. So my number one choice, and I know
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: it's going to get the people going in the comment session.
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: We'll definitely get into this portion of the show as
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: far as like it can. It's my number one, my choice.
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: And I know people are going to love it. They're
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: going to hate it. But it's Jimbo, man. And I'm
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: going to tell you the reasons why. The reasons why
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: I feel like it's Jimbo for me personally.
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: Just the stuff out there here.
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: That's the wrong number.
• 27:28
  Speaker 7: Oh!
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: This is stuff I've been hearing behind the scenes as
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: far as the infrastructure that you would have.
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: And, okay, let's preface what's saying this.
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: If we're going to fire Norvell, I guess my first
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: question is, how committed are you going to be? Are
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: you going to go fully all in where you have
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: all this money invested and you're just balls to the wall?
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: And in that case, you can fire Mike Norvell. You
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: can shoot your damn shot at the top flight, P5, coach,
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: whatever it may be, right, and pay their buyout. Go
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: get you a try to go get a Lincoln Riley,
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: who's already unhappy in USC. Shoot for the stars at
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: maybe at a Dan Lanning or something like that. Or
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: you go get a maybe coordinator route. Shulman at Glenn
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: at Georgia. I know Faulkner kind of cooled off a
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: little bit last week against Missouri, but he was another
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: hot coordinator name. You guys know, of course, I like
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: Manny Diaz, but we're going to get into all that
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: in a little sec. I want to get to my caller.
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: But I will say Jimbo, the reason being because you
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: can You're getting paid $ 7 million from Texas A & M.
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: So you could bring him in on a– yeah, that's
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: going to be interesting right here.
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: You get $ 7 million from Texas A & M. Then
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: you could bring him in on a cheap– you could
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: bring him in on a cheap deal, like $ 4 million
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: to $ 5 million or something along those lines to where
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: you're not giving him $ 10 million plus on the contract.
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: So that's kind of compensating. Then you're not buying a
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: buyout or paying a buyout to another coaching staff Say,
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: for instance, just throwing a name out there, say, for instance,
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: you get Lincoln Riley from you as just a random name, right?
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: Someone that's already under contract elsewhere. You have to pay
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: their buyout as well. And then after you pay their buyout,
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: you got to buy the new staff and all that
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: type of deal. And of course, you still want to
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: be competitive in the NIL landscape and pay top dollar
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: because I know a new coach coming in. You don't
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: want to have pennies. You don't want to bargain shop
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: like Norville does in certain situations, right? So that's a
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: lot of money involved, but it has to be done.
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: So with that being said, I think the best option,
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: in my opinion, would probably go Jimbo. But let's get
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: these callers on. Let's go to a former Seminole. Hey,
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: y'all know I ain't got nothing to.
• 29:36
  Speaker 7: Say, dawg. For what good?
• 29:40
  Speaker 14: Dawg.
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: What's good with you? You see how I started laughing?
• 29:44
  Speaker 7: I know you did. I know you did, man. I
• 29:49
  Speaker 7: just don't. Oh, my God.
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: So we've been talking about some of the issues, some
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: of the schemes, and things that work on teams.
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: What did you see in this game that kind of
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: stepped out?
• 30:06
  Speaker 7: Same thing. Same exact thing. I just don't get.
• 30:16
  Speaker 15: What makes you change a game plan from being aggressive
• 30:20
  Speaker 15: to sitting back. And everybody's sitting on blocks, not making plays.
• 30:25
  Speaker 15: And see, to me, it's the inconsistency part of the game.
• 30:30
  Speaker 11: Right?
• 30:31
  Speaker 15: Like, we talk about a standard. And when you hear
• 30:38
  Speaker 15: Novaro say anything about a standard, it's like, okay, what
• 30:40
  Speaker 15: the hell is a standard? Because I don't know what
• 30:41
  Speaker 15: it is. Because week after week, we're playing inconsistent. And
• 30:46
  Speaker 15: you have your highs, you have your lows. Like, we're
• 30:49
  Speaker 15: talking about, oh, we beat a good Virginia team. Man,
• 30:53
  Speaker 15: that Virginia team had 22 players out.
• 30:57
  Speaker 7: Two.
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: Two.
• 30:59
  Speaker 7: Right?
• 30:59
  Speaker 15: Then we lose to a Louisville team that has no
• 31:03
  Speaker 15: defensive linemen.
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: And their best running back, he was out. He was out.
• 31:09
  Speaker 15: Best running back was out. He was a game-time decision.
• 31:13
  Speaker 15: But it's just like, when you look at it, it's
• 31:15
  Speaker 15: like the attitude of this game. Like, where is it at? Like,
• 31:21
  Speaker 15: there's no attitude. There's no leadership. There's no nothing. That's
• 31:25
  Speaker 15: from top to bottom. No matter how we look at it. Like,
• 31:28
  Speaker 15: I always say, you're either coaching it or you're allowing it.
• 31:34
  Speaker 15: And we're doing both. That's how I see it. I
• 31:42
  Speaker 15: think from the offensive side of the ball, what Deuce had, what,
• 31:48
  Speaker 15: one catch right before the fourth quarter for six yards
• 31:51
  Speaker 15: the whole entire time?
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: Yep, yep.
• 31:54
  Speaker 7: One catch for six yards.
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: Hell no!
• 31:58
  Speaker 15: And that's no way that he should have one catch
• 32:01
  Speaker 15: for six yards the whole entire game.
• 32:05
  Speaker 7: Like, great.
• 32:06
  Speaker 15: Daniels ran for five touchdowns versus a Virginia team that
• 32:10
  Speaker 15: was worse than my son's Pop Warner team.
• 32:17
  Speaker 6: And we happy.
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: So what is the thing we can do to get
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: Dukes more involved?
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: Because even from a mission, we got to check out.
• 32:30
  Speaker 15: Man, I think most of the receivers have checked out.
• 32:37
  Speaker 15: All the time they try to get Nancy to bars
• 32:39
  Speaker 15: on the end around. When does he really get the
• 32:44
  Speaker 15: ball in the pass? Where does he really work his
• 32:46
  Speaker 15: passing concepts at? Yeah, I mean, he dropped the pass
• 32:48
  Speaker 15: today on a third down, third down and seven, whatever
• 32:53
  Speaker 15: it was. That could have gone for a first down.
• 32:55
  Speaker 7: But what else? How are we getting our receivers involved?
• 33:00
  Speaker 15: How are we getting our playmakers the ball besides just
• 33:03
  Speaker 15: running Daniels and running Kuma? And running, you're trying to
• 33:10
  Speaker 15: get Deuce on a slant when everybody knows he's going
• 33:12
  Speaker 15: to run a slant. What other routes are we running
• 33:17
  Speaker 15: with Deuce? Why we're not moving Deuce around, having him
• 33:21
  Speaker 15: get in motion before he can be one-on-ones with a
• 33:23
  Speaker 15: safety or a linebacker? Like, why we're not creating mismatches?
• 33:27
  Speaker 15: Because this game is all about mismatches. That's what this
• 33:30
  Speaker 15: game is all about. Let me find their weakest link,
• 33:32
  Speaker 15: and let me see if I can get my best
• 33:34
  Speaker 15: guy on their worst guy.
• 33:38
  Speaker 7: All the way around. That's with Denzy. That's with Boggs.
• 33:42
  Speaker 7: That's with Deuce. Create the mismatches for you guys so
• 33:45
  Speaker 7: the guys can get open. Create bunts. Create stacks.
• 33:49
  Speaker 15: Create tight formations where they can get their hands on
• 33:52
  Speaker 15: them and still be able to spread the ball on
• 33:54
  Speaker 15: the outside of the numbers.
• 33:55
  Speaker 7: You know what I'm saying? Outside the hash.
• 33:59
  Speaker 15: Or you can have a two-way read where if he's
• 34:02
  Speaker 15: one-on-one with a set that he has a two-way read,
• 34:04
  Speaker 15: the quarterback has to read it. But it's little things
• 34:08
  Speaker 15: like that. The ranked game is going to open up
• 34:10
  Speaker 15: the pass game. So if we run the ball, well,
• 34:14
  Speaker 15: no matter how you throw, if it's Kuma, if it's Wise,
• 34:18
  Speaker 15: or if it's Daniels, whoever it is running the ball,
• 34:22
  Speaker 15: you created a run game so you can throw play action.
• 34:28
  Speaker 15: So that part of it for me is like how
• 34:31
  Speaker 15: we're not getting our playmakers the ball when you have
• 34:36
  Speaker 15: a 6'6 receiver that's got an advantage every single time.
• 34:39
  Speaker 15: So that's the part of me that's what gets me. Yeah, Jim,
• 34:46
  Speaker 15: this is, yeah. What do you think should be next?
• 34:49
  Speaker 15: What should be next for what?
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: Florida State. Florida State. Find a new coach. ASAP.
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: ASAP.
• 35:15
  Speaker 7: I hate to say it. Find a new coach.
• 35:17
  Speaker 15: And I know my son is at the school, but like,
• 35:22
  Speaker 15: we've gone, we're about to go into, well, we're three
• 35:25
  Speaker 15: and three right now.
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: Yep. Yep.
• 35:27
  Speaker 15: Going to Miami next week. We got a bye week
• 35:32
  Speaker 15: after that. And then we got Clemson. So this month
• 35:38
  Speaker 15: of October is, is, is where it's going to be made.
• 35:41
  Speaker 15: But this is like, do you wait until after Miami?
• 35:48
  Speaker 15: I mean, you wait until after Miami, then you got
• 35:51
  Speaker 15: the bye week. And then you walk into Clemson. So
• 35:55
  Speaker 15: now you're dealing with November 1st. Now you're dealing with recruits.
• 35:59
  Speaker 15: And I know, hey, the president loves the guy. He
• 36:02
  Speaker 15: doesn't really want to get rid of him. If he
• 36:04
  Speaker 15: gets eight wins, hey, we possibly want to keep him.
• 36:07
  Speaker 7: That's the standard. Question, though.
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: What does making it to Miami help?
• 36:13
  Speaker 7: How does that help?
• 36:14
  Speaker 11: It doesn't.
• 36:15
  Speaker 15: I don't think it does. Before I got on, I
• 36:21
  Speaker 15: heard CJ talking about Jimbo where he's already making $ 7. 26
• 36:25
  Speaker 15: million from Texas A & M for the next four
• 36:28
  Speaker 15: or five years. Honestly, man, I would love the reunion
• 36:35
  Speaker 15: just because you got somebody that understands where Florida State is.
• 36:37
  Speaker 7: He understands where the money is at.
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: He understands....
• 36:45
  Speaker 7: The standard that's supposed to be at Florida State.
• 36:47
  Speaker 15: He understands everything about the tradition of what Florida State
• 36:51
  Speaker 15: is supposed to be. These last two coaches that we
• 36:54
  Speaker 15: had do not understand that.
• 36:57
  Speaker 7: I'm sorry.
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: They don't.
• 36:59
  Speaker 15: You had Willie Taggart there for two years. He was
• 37:01
  Speaker 15: just happy to have the job. You got Norvell. This
• 37:04
  Speaker 15: is his seventh season. Probably going to have his fifth
• 37:07
  Speaker 15: losing season.
• 37:10
  Speaker 7: In two years.
• 37:11
  Speaker 15: So, For me, it's like you get a guy in
• 37:18
  Speaker 15: now that probably can come in in Jimbo who can
• 37:20
  Speaker 15: start recruiting now, can go into people's homes, can go
• 37:24
  Speaker 15: down to South Florida.
• 37:25
  Speaker 7: He can recruit South Florida.
• 37:26
  Speaker 15: It don't matter who's down there because he got so
• 37:28
  Speaker 15: much respect from his time, even when he was at
• 37:31
  Speaker 15: A & M, from everybody down in South Florida. He
• 37:33
  Speaker 15: can go into South Georgia. He can go anywhere he
• 37:35
  Speaker 15: want to in Texas area, too, and go recruit. And
• 37:42
  Speaker 15: that's what we're missing. That's what we're.
• 37:47
  Speaker 7: A true leader. Put it that way. True leadership is
• 37:51
  Speaker 7: what we're missing.
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: From the top down, I agree with you 100%. All right, bro.
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: We got to wrap it up and get some more callers.
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: And I'm going to hit you up offline, bro. We're
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: going to talk about this. Check your join up, bro.
• 38:02
  Speaker 7: All right, bro.
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: For sure. Yes, sir. That's Antonio Camarda, man. FSU legend.
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: FSU legend.
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: Of course, NFL legend at that. All right, we got
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: a couple of super chats we want to address real quick.
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: Let's go ahead and get those going. I appreciate the love.
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: Is that the shoes crazy one? Appreciate your fire, Norville.
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: He's worse than Dibby in his bootcut jeans. Shout out
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: to my guy, Dibby, man.
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: Tell them to bring me my money.
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: Shout out to Williams, Kane for life. Kane's fans, shout
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: out to love. I appreciate you. For us, Kane's fans
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: have been there. You guys better blow it up and
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: start from the present on down. Miami has given me
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: all the blueprint. I will say, man, 100%, once you
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: guys made that president change, things kind of started rolling, man.
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: I'm a serious damn president for sure. I agree with
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: you there. All right, we got Jared on. Jared, talk
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: to me.
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: How you feeling? I think I'm in the same boat
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: as you, CJ.
• 39:12
  Speaker 16: I think Jimbo really is the only option. I mean,
• 39:15
  Speaker 16: I don't see another coach out there that's worth hiring
• 39:17
  Speaker 16: at this point. You know, give him a two-year deal,
• 39:21
  Speaker 16: let us mull over some stuff, get some NIL stuff going,
• 39:24
  Speaker 16: and then go from there. I mean, like I was
• 39:27
  Speaker 16: telling a second ago, I think the ceiling's five and
• 39:29
  Speaker 16: seven right now. I truly don't see us winning more
• 39:31
  Speaker 16: than two more games, if it's two.
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: Let me see who we got, man. I mean, I
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: can't argue against you, man, especially what we've seen. And,
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: you know, we got a lot of role games as well, too.
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: And we know that Boston College may not be able
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: to get in the first round. Pitt could look different
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: with a starting quarterback, but at the same damn time,
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: they're road games. We got a Friday, another Friday night
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: at Pitt. We know Friday night, not even just Mike
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: Norvell in general, but Florida State. Friday night ACC road
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: games haven't been, you know, friendly to us as well.
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: You got NC play, you got Florida. Five games could
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: be a stretch, man, especially with Miami and Clemson on deck.
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: I'm with you. It's going to be a stretch for sure.
• 40:12
  Speaker 16: Well, last point here. We gave, we gave the tagger, what,
• 40:14
  Speaker 16: two years? Norvell's on his third here. you know, with
• 40:18
  Speaker 16: the bad deal. You know, I like Norvell. I hate
• 40:22
  Speaker 16: it for him. You know, I wish him the best, but,
• 40:24
  Speaker 16: I mean, I don't see it getting any better from
• 40:26
  Speaker 16: this point. You know, it's been pretty stagnant.
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: If we're being honest, man, the right one's on the
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: wall probably way before, but for me, 100%, that Stanford
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: game last year, like at that point in time, I
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: would have cut ties that Sunday.
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: Well, I think it was a Friday night. That Saturday, Sunday,
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: whatever it may be.
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: I know Alfred put out that whole statement, but after
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: that game, The writing was on the wall for me,
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: especially the body language on the sideline and all that
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: type of deal.
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: That was the nail.
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: In the coffin 100% for me, but we just kind
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: of prolonged the inevitable in my opinion.
• 40:59
  Speaker 3: I got to push back on y'all two right now.
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: So y'all both on board with Jimbo as your number
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: one choice.
• 41:04
  Speaker 16: Who do you choose otherwise? I don't see another coach,
• 41:07
  Speaker 16: although it's worth hiring, that wouldn't be an experiment.
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: Jimbo had a war chest of money at Texas A
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: & M and couldn't. Couldn't do anything. He was also
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: on his way to a losing season at FSU when
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: he left. We were happy to see him leave. I
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: get it. I don't think the standard at FSU should
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: be he's better than Norvell.
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: I get it.
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: My pushback to you on that, Harlan, as far as
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: Texas A & M and what Jimbo did there, Mike
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: Elkos was doing the exact same thing that Jimbo did,
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: and this is with Jimbo recruits. What's the guy, Mike Sumlin,
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: The head coach before Jimbo was like literally the exact
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: same thing. And I forget someone posted on Twitter, Jimbo's
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: winning percentage was like 60-something at Texas A & M,
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: like the all-time winning percentage is like in the 60s.
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: It may be a Texas A & M thing, and
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: I do know his last few years at Texas A
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: & M, like he lost, he was like down to
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: a second string and a third string quarterback. And granted,
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: I agree with you. My biggest gripe with Jimbo at
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: Florida State is not him leaving. It's how he handled
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: that last season and how checked out he was. But
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: at the same time, within that last season, He was
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: checked out for one, 100%, but he kind of got
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: a bad hand with that and had to start. And
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: that goes to recruiting as well, too. He should have
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: had a viable backup if Frenchy was the guy. So
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: that definitely falls on him. But at the same time,
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: you got 165-pound James Blackman being your quarterback for the
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: rest of the year. And, of course, with being already
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: checked out and pretty much agreed to the deal with
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: Texas A & M. So if you can't take away
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: that last year, I mean, before that, you know, I
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: was complaining 100%, but What, the year before that?
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: If he comes in and wants to CEO it, I
• 42:47
  Speaker 3: might be on board. Hire him, cheat, CEO it, good
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: offensive coordinator, good defensive coordinator, etc. But if he's going
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: to come in and be like, I'm running the offense,
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: I'm out, bro. That's a terrible option. Don't get me wrong,
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: we're probably better than where we're at now, but that's
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: not the standard.
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: No, I agree with that.
• 43:06
  Speaker 16: I think it's an OC problem, too. That's my issue
• 43:09
  Speaker 16: with Norville right now.
• 43:10
  Speaker 7: He.
• 43:11
  Speaker 16: He coaches with emotion, and you can't do that as
• 43:14
  Speaker 16: an OC. If you're calling plays, you can't do it
• 43:17
  Speaker 16: with emotion. That's why we end up in the position
• 43:19
  Speaker 16: we are. Look at the Alabama game. Look at the
• 43:21
  Speaker 16: fourth down call. I don't disagree with it, but also
• 43:25
  Speaker 16: look how it turned the tables on the game, on
• 43:27
  Speaker 16: both games.
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: But, yeah, I do think from what I'm hearing.
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: He would be coming in with an offensive court, and
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: I'm with you 100% hard, and I wouldn't.
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: I don't need that damn slow-ass offense coming into Florida State, bro.
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: I'm punting on fourth and one on the opponent 40. Like,
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: people got to realize, like, we were calling for the
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: go-forward on fourth and downs when Jimbo left. Like, do
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: y'all remember that? We'd have fourth and one foot, and
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: we'd be like, why are we punting? And now we're
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: like the opposite. We're like, why are we going forward
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: on fourth? So we need something, like, in the middle.
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: But we don't want the Jimbo version of offense back. Like,
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: that's outdated. It's... Like, you have to look into analytics.
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: And Mike Morvell is too deep. He's too deep in analytics. Like,
• 44:08
  Speaker 3: he's like, oh, fourth and two. Like, analytics say go
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: for it. But we need something, like, in the middle.
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: But the Jimbo offensive run is not what we need back. Like,
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: he needs to hire his own offensive coordinator.
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: So who are some guys you're thinking up on that
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: could be good options in your opinion?
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: I mean, I was– I was wanting to steal Florida's
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: OC until last week. So, but it's also like, not,
• 44:33
  Speaker 3: it's not my, like, that's not my job.
• 44:36
  Speaker 17: Right.
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: Like I can say, I don't like Jimbo and I
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: want him coming back without like, I would, I would
• 44:43
  Speaker 3: go try to steal Dillingham back, bro. Like, I don't know.
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: I'd look for somebody that's a proven offensive mind, but
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: I see people saying they want a defensive mind too.
• 44:53
  Speaker 17: Right.
• 44:53
  Speaker 3: So like, I don't know. I just wouldn't fall back
• 44:56
  Speaker 3: into the trap of just like it was better when
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: Jimbo was here, so we should go back to Jimbo.
• 45:03
  Speaker 3: People forget that when he was exiting, that was toxic.
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: It was not a good season.
• 45:09
  Speaker 16: I don't think it's a step back. I really think
• 45:12
  Speaker 16: it's a stepping stone with that. Like I said, there's
• 45:14
  Speaker 16: not a true– there's not a Lane Kiffin out there.
• 45:16
  Speaker 16: There's not a true coach you would want. on a
• 45:20
  Speaker 16: five-year deal right now out there in my benefit. I
• 45:23
  Speaker 16: think any coach you hire at this point is a guess.
• 45:27
  Speaker 7: It's an experiment.
• 45:30
  Speaker 3: And I'd almost rather it be a guess than Jimbo.
• 45:33
  Speaker 3: Unless Jimbo's bringing an elite OC, if he's got his
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: coordinator set up, sign me up. But if he doesn't,
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: and it's like, oh, we're going to have the Jimbo
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: offense and then some random DC who he likes, I'm
• 45:46
  Speaker 3: not on board with that.
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: I'm not on board with that.
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: But, guys, I will say, man, and I don't want
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: to get too– and all this stuff is fluid, right?
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: But the staff that I project, the staff that he
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: could come with, I think he could be pretty damn
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: good if it all bars in that way. He could
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: be pretty good. I think fans would definitely be happy.
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: I don't want to say it because all that shit
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: is fluid because it could change tomorrow. So, as of now,
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: if we go that route, I think it could be
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: pretty good. We'll see how things play out. Appreciate you, Jerry.
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: Maybe we got to move on to another caller. That's Wayne.
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: Appreciate it, guys.
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: Yes, sir.
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: Appreciate you. And of course, you guys know me. I
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: don't have an issue with Manny Diaz as well.
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: I mean, I told you people kind of snuffed their
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: nose at a first year head coach, him being directly
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: tied to a rival. But again, I told you guys
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: in that video with Manny, well, that little rant I had,
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: so to speak, it's value in failure if you learn
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: from your failures. And I really do think he learned
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: from his first time situation in Miami. He goes and
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: he's under a very good head coach in James Franklin.
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: and a defensive coordinator at Penn State, and turns out
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: really good defenses at Penn State. At a top program,
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: he's winning a lot of football games, and then you
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: parlay that and go to Duke, and he's turned Duke, well,
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: made Duke into a winning program, winning the ACC last year,
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: and of course, he's been a really good, even going
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: back to his Miami days, he's been really good in
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: the transfer portal as far as getting quarterbacks. He was
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: De'Aaron King from Houston. He was before his time in that.
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: Then you go to Duke and you get Murphy from
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: Texas and, of course, you get Mensah last year from Tulane.
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: He's very proactive when it comes to quarterback evaluations in
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: the quarter, man. Man, he's been pretty impressive there since
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: going back to Miami.
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: Heavy, what's good?
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: I'm Jimbo over Manny for sure. Let me just state that.
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: I'm definitely there, too. Heavy, talk to me. How you feeling?
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: What's going on, cuz? Hey, here's my thing, man.
• 47:39
  Speaker 8: It doesn't matter who we hire if we're not going
• 47:42
  Speaker 8: to invest into them. Like, It doesn't matter if we
• 47:45
  Speaker 8: have Jimbo. We can have a motherfucking Nick Saban.
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: If we're not going to put money into the program,
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: we are not going to win. And not even just that, too, man.
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: Not even just that. We got to be serious from
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: the top down.
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: I know there's reports about the AD searching and all
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: that type of deal.
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: We got to be aligned from the top down.
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: Our problems are way bigger than just a head coach.
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: A head coach has to go, but I think our
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: problems are way bigger than just a head coach.
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: Go ahead, bro.
• 48:10
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 48:10
  Speaker 8: And then the guys on the sideline, they don't even
• 48:13
  Speaker 8: care no more. Like, it's blatant. Like, they laughing on
• 48:16
  Speaker 8: the field. Y'all losing by 24 points. Why y'all smiling
• 48:18
  Speaker 8: and laughing? It's not no game. And like I say, man,
• 48:23
  Speaker 8: I don't want to put all the blame on Mike
• 48:25
  Speaker 8: because Mike take a lot of the blame. But like
• 48:28
  Speaker 8: I say, it starts from the top. Like, we got
• 48:30
  Speaker 8: to stop being cheap. Like, it doesn't matter who hiring in. Like,
• 48:33
  Speaker 8: I feel like the next person who hiring in, we
• 48:34
  Speaker 8: got to go all in with everything. The money, find
• 48:39
  Speaker 8: the best coaching staff, paying the best coaching staff. Like,
• 48:42
  Speaker 8: We can't play around no more, man.
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: It's embarrassing.
• 48:45
  Speaker 8: It's embarrassing to be a Florida State fan.
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: I hate to say it.
• 48:48
  Speaker 8: I hate going places and motherfuckers just laughing at me.
• 48:51
  Speaker 8: I know I work Monday. I already know I'm going
• 48:53
  Speaker 8: to hear it. I already know I'm going to hear it.
• 48:55
  Speaker 8: I've been talking trash all week. So I know I'm
• 48:58
  Speaker 8: going to hear it all week. You know what I'm saying?
• 49:01
  Speaker 8: It's embarrassing to be a Florida State fan. It feels
• 49:03
  Speaker 8: like we're a lesser program. We don't even feel like...
• 49:08
  Speaker 8: We feel like we're like a Purdue or a goddamn...
• 49:12
  Speaker 8: Or Mississippi State. Like, we feel like a low program. Like,
• 49:16
  Speaker 8: we're not even Florida State no more.
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: It's hard to argue against it, but you're right.
• 49:25
  Speaker 7: My God.
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: But here's my thing, all right?
• 49:33
  Speaker 8: What do you think the biggest issue with Florida State is?
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: The biggest issue? The biggest issue. The biggest issue. It's
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: a multitude of issues, but the biggest issue, I said
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: the biggest, is probably Norvell. That's head coach. That's the
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: biggest issue.
• 49:50
  Speaker 12: Yeah.
• 49:51
  Speaker 8: You think it's the recruiting?
• 49:53
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: It's a plethora of things. It's the recruitment, one. It's
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: the development of certain recruits. It's maximizing game day opportunities
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: and putting your players in the best situation. it's a
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: multitude of things I feel like that kind of all
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: ties into it. But again, we talk about recruiting. We
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: recruit between, what, the 20, 25 range, that type of deal.
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: Even with that, we still should be beating certain fucking
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: teams with recruiting, right? So within our recruiting from the
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: recruiting rankings, so to speak, only fucking games we should lose,
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: quote unquote, is Miami, Florida, and I guess you could
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: say Clemson, right? And it depends on Alabama, LSU, depending
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: on that other game on the schedule, if we're looking
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: at purely rankings.
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: But it's bigger than that, right? We lose it to
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: Stanford last year.
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: There's no way in fucking hell we should have lost
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: to Stanford last year.
• 50:44
  Speaker 7: I agree.
• 50:45
  Speaker 11: I agree.
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: They had nowhere near the talent we had. And Stanford
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: was– they were one of the laughingstocks of the ACC.
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: And we shouldn't lose in games to those type of opponents.
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: We lose the game to– like Louisville, we shouldn't lose
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: to Louisville. We shouldn't lose to those type of opponents
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: from just– Their pure, quote-unquote, recruiting rank is just at
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: a third. But we go 2-10, 5-7, 500 right now
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: and trying to look for a lifeline to six or
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: seven wins. Like, there's no way. So I think it's recruiting.
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: It's the development of certain recruits. It's the coaching. It's
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: the scheme in certain situations. And then game day, we
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: don't maximize opportunities in game day. And then when it
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: comes to NIL money as well, which falls under recruiting,
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: We are too cheap in certain areas, man. We got
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: to spend that money, man.
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: You got to adapt. You got to adapt.
• 51:35
  Speaker 8: So I got two questions for you. All right, the
• 51:37
  Speaker 8: first one. Two years ago, we fired Adam Fuller. I
• 51:41
  Speaker 8: will beg Adam Fuller to come back before I want
• 51:43
  Speaker 8: to turn white. Me personally, I didn't mind Adam Fuller.
• 51:48
  Speaker 8: I think he got a lot of blame because the
• 51:50
  Speaker 8: offense was terrible that last year he got fired.
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: The offense was terrible. So I will say this.
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: That 2024 season was not on Adam Fuller. No. That
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: shit was absolutely on the fucking offense. The offensive line stunk.
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: Mike Norell played, called, and stunk. The defense was average,
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: and it was actually okay to a certain point in
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: the game. It just folded within the third, fourth quarter, this, that,
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: and the third because they just gave out a goddamn gas,
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: and the offense put them in terrible situations, right? So
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: the defense fostered later on, late during games because of
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: that offense.
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: But Fuller, he wasn't a good recruiter. Early on, he
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: got flagged.
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: But once Fuller got talent, like the 22, 23 seasons,
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: the defenses were pretty damn solid. But at the same time,
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: he wasn't really personal with the recruits and that type
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: of deal. But I do kind of get your point
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: in Fuller kind of being a scapegoat, especially when you
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: look at what we saw from Tony White in a
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: certain situation, what we have now.
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: I don't think Fuller would have.
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: It follows our defense according to now at the very
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: worst where you may still lose this game because the
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: offense is fucking trash, but this game would have been
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: an actual toss-up.
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: You're either looking at four and two in my opinion
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: or five and one. I agree.
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: I think we'll be SMU too. I think we'll be SMU. Yep,
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: SMU will be a dub and I feel like Louisville
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: will be a toss-up.
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree.
• 53:12
  Speaker 8: Another thing, do you think the fact that Gus Mazon
• 53:15
  Speaker 8: quit when he did they kind of screwed us on.
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: The oc.
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah and it screwed us in that regard and
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: it helped us as well too it helped us because
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: it cut out some money that we had to pay
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: him from a buyout standpoint say for instance we would
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: have fired us at a certain point you had to
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: pay him pay him some money for a buyout but
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: with him retiring it did save fsu some money on
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: the flipping it to your point it did kind of
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: hurt us from an oc standpoint um Yeah, I agree
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: with that.
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: So, it's two-fold.
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: It helped us and it hurt us, but at the
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: same point of time, from that standpoint, as far as
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: being better on the field specifically, I do think it
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: hurt us from the time it happened because we weren't
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: able to kind of combat that and hire anybody, if
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: anything like that, if you wanted to hire someone.
• 54:00
  Speaker 8: One more thing, man. I think... I got a hot
• 54:04
  Speaker 8: take here.
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: Another hot take.
• 54:06
  Speaker 8: I refuse to believe that Mike Novell just forgot how
• 54:09
  Speaker 8: to coach. Like, That man, he's be a mastermind on
• 54:13
  Speaker 8: the offensive side of the ball. Like, he'll scheme his
• 54:16
  Speaker 8: way out of some shit. I don't know what is
• 54:18
  Speaker 8: going on, like, but it's like something's broken with Florida State.
• 54:23
  Speaker 8: I don't want to just blame Mike Novella for that.
• 54:25
  Speaker 8: You know what I'm saying?
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: Like, granted, I want him gone.
• 54:28
  Speaker 7: I do.
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: I want his ass gone.
• 54:30
  Speaker 6: Like, but, I don't know, man.
• 54:33
  Speaker 8: It's like something in him was, like, broken, man. Like,
• 54:35
  Speaker 8: look at my sideline. It's like he don't correct nobody.
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: Like, I mean, Mike used to.
• 54:39
  Speaker 8: Give people ass when he used to fuck up. I
• 54:41
  Speaker 8: don't want to see that anymore. Like, he don't care. Like,
• 54:43
  Speaker 8: he just do not give.
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: A fuck no more. Situations, man. So, I agree with you.
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: I don't think you haven't forgotten how to coach, right?
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: It's that third.
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: But sometimes situations dictate outcomes of certain things and things
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: like that. And how that 2023 season kind of played
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: out and the response to it this time, third, wasn't great.
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: Our response to it in the transfer portal wasn't great.
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: I mean, if I'm If I get snubbed in 2023
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: based upon I go under-fucking-feated this time of the third,
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: will you still tell me no? There's no way in
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: hell I'm going to be passive in the transfer portal
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: with that next year. I'm balls to the wall, being aggressive,
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: trying to prove you motherfuckers wrong this time of the third,
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: but we were real passive in our selection. I say passive,
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: it was more so like, look at our recent success.
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: Look at the guys we brought in the transfer portal.
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: Look at the success from 21, 22, 23. We brought
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: in Jermaine Johnson. We brought in Kiera Thomas, we brought in,
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: what's the safety from South Carolina that ended up getting
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: drafted by the Carolina Panthers? Yeah, I'm.
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: Going to draw a blank, but we ended up bringing
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: him in.
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: You bring in Jerry Jones, Fabio Loving, Jared Burris, Fisk,
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: Keon Coleman, Johnny Wilson, Trey Benson.
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: You bring in all of those guys.
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: We were more so like, at this point in time,
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: come to fucking Florida State, you should be begging to
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: come to Florida State, just that third verse on the
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: opposite name. Like, yeah, Jamie Robertson. You should be begging
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: them to come to Florida State, right? That was our
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: mindset at that point in time, was being proactive, being aggressive,
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: and trying to convince those guys.
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: And at that point in time, the portal was changing, right?
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: It was changing from the point of how we were
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: earlier to the dollar kind of taking over the money
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: and that type of deal. So that was my biggest,
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: I think our biggest fault in that point in time,
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: which is being too passive and kind of more so saying, hey,
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: it's FSU proof of concept. We've been quote-unquote portal kings
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: the last three years. Nah, we didn't adapt, man. We
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: didn't adapt. We didn't adapt, and that was one of
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: our biggest issues in that time frame, in my opinion.
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with that, too.
• 56:41
  Speaker 8: But also, that goes back to the money part, too. Like,
• 56:45
  Speaker 8: the fact that we're not able to buy players that
• 56:48
  Speaker 8: we need, that's a big thing, too.
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: I think we can, and we can't. So I think
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: the money isn't Texas. It isn't.
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: USC or Ohio State. This is like the $ 40 million threshold, right?
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: But for us to be competitive, it's pretty much there.
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: So you get this damn money, but at the same
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: damn time, you got Norvell not delegating the money this time.
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: So say, for instance, we had, I forget, what's the
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: quarterback name from UNLV? He's at Nebraska now, but we
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: had him on official visits. We brought him and DJ
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: Lab on official visits. And we pretty much low-balled him
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: on the money standpoint. Both of those guys, they were
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: the first visits they took, right? but we low-balled them
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: on the money standpoint, didn't meet the number, and we
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: ended up selling for Ashton Daniels, Calandria.
• 57:33
  Speaker 2: That's right.
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: We ended up selling on Ashton Daniels from a money standpoint.
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: So you can get money, and then once the money's
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: in your face, you got to allocate that money in the.
• 57:42
  Speaker 2: Correct way, right? So it's a combination of both.
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: You need to have a healthy NIL, whatever, NIL, collective fund, whatever.
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: You need to have a healthy back-to-pay players, and also
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: you got to be have a motherfucker on the flip
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: end and knows how to delegate the money and knows
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: who to pay and what not to pay. So you got,
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: you lowball Ashton, well, you lowball in the quarterback situation,
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: you go Ashton Ames, and then you go pay $ 600, 000, $ 700, 000
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: a trade, Rosner, when you got Cromwell, who you paid
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: a lot of money for to flip from Georgia, Sam
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: Singleton at your high on the 7th third. So, you know,
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: stuff like that don't make sense, right? So you got
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: to have a combination of both. All right, my last thing,
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: I'm going to leave y'all boys alone.
• 58:23
  Speaker 8: All right, so this next coach, do you believe that
• 58:26
  Speaker 8: we're going to go all in with the staff and recruits?
• 58:31
  Speaker 3: I do.
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: I do. I do. I do.
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: I think once Mike Novella is fired, they're standing third,
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: and they hire a new guy and all that's announced,
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: I do think you're going to see a … What
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: is all in to you? What's all in to you?
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: All in to me, all money on deck as far
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: as the NIL standpoint. You got donations coming in. Um,
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: you got a new, you got money for a new
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: staff and you don't even have a budget, but you don't,
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: you have a, you don't have to bargain shop for
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: a new staff. You can actually get what you pay
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: for from a staff standpoint. You get what you pay
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: for from a recruit standpoint. So I really feel like
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: you have a healthy budget in that situation as far as, um,
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: a coaching process. staff off the field staff and then
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: nio when all three phases i think would be uh
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: committed in all.
• 59:16
  Speaker 7: Right committed to rather i appreciate that.
• 59:20
  Speaker 2: Yes sir appreciate you joining all.
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: Right that was heavy all right man we got about
• 59:25
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• 59:29
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• 59:33
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• 59:42
  Speaker 1: We got a call-in portion. If you guys want to
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: call in to get your takes off, go ahead. We're
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: going to drop the link here one more time. We're
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: not going to wrap this show up pretty soon. But
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: go ahead and get your takes off if you want
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: to get it going. Let's be done with Daniels. I
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: want to see Marshall. I mean, I get that. But shit,
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: even with that, the reveal has pretty much shown that
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: Sparrow is the number two quarterback at this point in time.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: I know there's a lot of reports in camp about
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: Marshall looking pretty good and kind of jumping Sparrow, but
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: from what we've seen in the regular season thus far,
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: even if we move on from Daniels, it wouldn't be
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: Marshall first.
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 2: That's just hell. I mean, when Daniels got his helmet
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 2: took off, and that was another damn thing.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: When Daniels got his helmet took off, we threw Sparrow
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: in and threw the fucking ball.
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 2: It was second and four. Like, run the damn ball, Norvell.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: Like, no point in all in putting spirit in that
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: situation to throw the ball on the bench, cold all game,
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: just run the damn ball.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: We've got Jason Watkins. Jason, what's good?
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 18: Jason from Oklahoma, man. I was just calling in to
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 18: say what's up to you, man. Hadn't been able to
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 18: catch you live and just wanted to tell you the
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 18: show's good. Definitely got to get rid of that guy,
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 18: but you got to spend the money too. I don't
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 18: think it's just about Mike, but he's behind the eight
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 18: ball at this point. There's no reason to keep him
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 18: around at this point.
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree with you 100%. I appreciate the love.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: First of all, I was showing love from Oklahoma. It's
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: big there, but I'm with you. It's bigger than Mike.
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: Of course, Mike Novell has to be fired, of course,
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: in my opinion, but it's bigger than Mike. It needs
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: to be commitment from the top down in all facets,
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: in my opinion.
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 2: No doubt. No doubt, bro.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 18: But, no, I just wanted to say what's up to
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 18: you and give you props for the show, but I'll
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 18: let you get back to your other college, bro.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 2: Appreciate you, man. Much love. Yes, sir. All right, guys.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: Appreciate the support, man. I was kind of iffy at
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: first we wouldn't be able to go tonight, man, because
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: it was reports around Tallahassee with a lot of people
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: lights being out, but I was able to hold it tight, man.
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: Fingers still crossed for now, but appreciate you guys for joining. But, yeah,
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: we got to get full commitment, in my opinion, from
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: the top down. And then it's the timing of all
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: this is terrible, too, man. Like, we got to, like,
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: the 22 and 23 season season, We built up a
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: lot of momentum, and I got to give Alfred and
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: those guys props because this is one thing I do
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: respect for Alfred during his time as being AD. He said, no,
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: as far as being the ACC, we got to get
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: up out of this damn conference.
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 2: And they.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: Put all kinds of moves in place, suing this and
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: that to kind of lead the conference because they see
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: where the TV money is, and that's the thing.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 2: We've been trash as hell, and I think we're number
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 2: two in.
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: TV revenue and TV streams based upon last week.
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 2: We're right behind Clemson.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: And after this Friday night game against Louisville, I'm pretty
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: sure it's going to jump up. And then we got
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: Miami next week. So, Ruth, it's going to be a
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: battle between us, Miami, and Clemson for the number one
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: spot as far as viewership in the ACC. Mike, after
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: those guys saw that shit as far as the viewership
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: disparity between us and everybody else in the conference and
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: the money we're getting versus the money that the SEC,
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: Big Ten is getting, this, that, and third, when we
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: fit right in within those guys, the top guys in
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: the SEC and Big Ten and that, as far as viewership,
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: And if you keep giving those guys $ 60 million in
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: TV money versus 20 at Florida State, that revenue gap
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: is going to keep growing, growing, growing.
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 2: But so I say all that to say this.
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: We do everything we do as far as try to
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: get the damn conference after the 23-4 stretch.
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 2: And then Norvell comes out and lay a goose egg
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 2: in the following 2024 year and the 25 year.
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: Making this shit a lot more harder for us to
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: do what we need to do from a program standpoint
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: to make that jump and get the SEC Big Ten dollars.
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 2: So, again, that's another.
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: Thing as far as that. Yeah, that's cool. Yeah, we
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: can ride it off another. But that's another– if we
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: go for that. But, yeah, that's another thing as far
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: as that. Like, we– Alfred done tried to what he did,
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: and I think it's still in play for us to
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: leave the ACC. But at the same damn time, we
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: haven't been doing our job from a football standpoint. And
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: shout out to the fans, the Florida State fans, because
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: even with the trashed down product, the fucking viewership is
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: still top tier, right? So you still have a case
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: or argument for those conferences, but at the same time,
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: you've got to get some wins as well, too. Yeah,
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: you put all the eggs in your basket thinking this
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: program is on the rise, it's going to be good,
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: and you go out and let it go 2 and
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: 10 and 5 and 7 at the worst possible time
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: when we're trying to lead the ACC and go to
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: greener pastures to help the program out.
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 3: So if you're Jimbo, CJ, who are you hiring as
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 3: your O.C. and D.C.? Sell me the dream. If the
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 3: dream you're selling me is Jimbo, who's the O.C. and
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 3: who's the D.C.
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: So if I'm Jimbo, I'm going to– If it's you.
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 3: I'm not telling you to tell me who he'd hire.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 3: I'm saying if it was you.
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  Speaker 2: If I'm me. If I'm me. So if I'm me.
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 2: This is my absolute dream, right? Dream, dream, dream. Dream.
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 2: Absolute dream. This is me. This isn't FSU just down
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 2: the third.
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 1: I'll go get K-Bell from Pittsburgh, land me an office coordinator,
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: quarterback coach just down the third. Real innovative young play caller.
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: That type of deal. Go get K-Bell from Pittsburgh. bridge
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: that with Jimbo, and then you can kind of get a,
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: I guess you could say, offensive-minded room, right, from an
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: offensive standpoint. Defense, let's shoot for the stars a little bit.
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: This is my dream, absolute dream staff. Let's shoot for
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: the stars. You go make Glenn at Georgia your defensive coordinator.
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: You make him the highest-paid D.C.
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 2: In the country.
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: You pretty much give him G5 money. Say you give
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: him $ 5 million a year, right? This is absolute dreaming
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: because you get Jimbo for, say you're paying Jimbo $ 4 million.
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 2: A year from a salary standpoint, right? Yeah, exactly.
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: So you bring in Glenn, you promise him the highest
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: paid DC and say three to five years, you're going
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: to be, you're going to be the next head coach,
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: head coach. We're in the same situation as Jimbo as
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: you brought him in from LSU, right? So this is
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: my dream. Fucking I'm going to sleep right now. Fucking
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: amazing scenario for FSU, right? Kay, Kay Bell as your,
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: as your officer coordinator, Jimbo as your head coach, Glenn
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: as your DC head coach of waiting, making him the
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: highest paid DC in the country. Give them $ 5 million
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 1: a year. You're giving Jimbo $ 4 million a year. Then
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: you bring in everything else as far as the staff from,
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: you know, receiver, coach, office line, DB just down the third.
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: Those guys can feel that. And then you knock out
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: everything from a recruiter standpoint. Glenn, who has been an
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: ace fucking recruiter for linebackers, amazing recruiter for linebackers and
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: development for linebackers as well. From Valdosta, so you have
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 1: South Georgia, Georgia locked up, North Florida area. You know
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: Jimbo is well known in the– South Florida area as well.
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: If we go Jimbo for the head coach, that would
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: be my absolute dream damn staff.
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 2: And that's with the all-in commitment from.
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 1: The administration to give him everything he needs from a
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: full staff. But again, it makes sense from a money
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: standpoint because the $ 10 million so that you would pay
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: for a new head coach, you can give Jimbo for him.
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: give glenn five and then you give k bell two
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: million or some shit like that two to two and 2.5
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: then hell.
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 3: You're cooking is the pit oc bringing his quarterback.
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: With him i will bring the court but that thing
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: just tore his name acl too which is a bad
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 1: thing but we'll definitely try to bring this quarterback um
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 1: with him as well i will try i will try
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: to get him as well but you know pit probably
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: do everything they're proud proud to keep him.
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 2: Is K.A. Bell a good recruiter? I'm not sure if K.A.
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: Bell is a good recruiter or not, but I know
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: Jimbo Fisher is a good damn recruiter.
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 2: So K.A. Bell, you can just kind of give me.
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 3: So Jimbo, the head, the Pitt OC, and then the
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 3: Georgia defensive coordinator with a head coach in waiting.
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  Speaker 7: Correct.
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: I think he's getting like $ 2 million from Georgia, if
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: I'm not mistaken. Probably Google it real quick. You pay
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: him $ 4 million... Come call a defense at Tallahassee. Who
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 1: says no to a down to doubling your salary, right?
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 3: I wouldn't say no. Right.
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 2: And then you get a head coach.
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 3: There's no worry there that it's just Kirby's defense and
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 3: he's the face of it?
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 2: $ 2. 2 million.
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 1: That has been my worry because I'm not going to lie,
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: their defense from Kirby and Muschamp calling plays to Glenn
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: calling plays, Their defense has dropped from like top 10-ish
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: to like top 20, top 25-ish, which is pretty damn
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: good still.
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 2: But, yeah, that's a good damn point.
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 1: I do think that was one of my main concerns
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: is the defense kind of dropped off in that regard.
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 1: But just looking at how he recruits, though, like the
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 1: guys he recruited, the linebackers he coached. So pretty much
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: every year he's had a linebacker drafted at Georgia. Every
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: year he's been there, he's had a linebacker drafted at Georgia.
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 1: Those guys play in the league, get developed. A lot
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 1: of guys, from Roquan Smith to a recent guy that
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 1: just got drafted for the year. It's Gray, if I'm
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 1: not mistaken, from the Packers. Well, I forget which team
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 1: it was. But every year they get a damn linebacker drafted,
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: and they recruit high-level players. So I do think that
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 1: would be a concern. But at the same time, if
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 1: you can recruit a higher recruiter at Georgia, playing our schedule.
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 1: If you give me the top 20 damn defense, I'd
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 1: be cool with it. CJ Allen to the coast. Those guys,
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 1: appreciate you, Omar. Those guys pretty much turn out linebackers
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 1: at a pretty high rate. Raylon Wilson, five-star linebacker from Tallahassee, Florida, Lincoln.
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: He's one of the best players on Georgia right now.
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 1: He's done a hell of a job recruiting. All right, guys,
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  Speaker 3: What does Mike have to do, CJ, to not get fired?
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 3: Beat Miami next week? Is that the one thing he
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 3: can do?
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 2: No, I don't think it'll be the one thing. That'll
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 2: be one thing in the right direction.
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 3: So you're saying he could lose to Miami next week
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 3: and then wet out and not get fired?
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 2: Lose Miami next week? No. I think he has to
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 2: beat Miami for sure on top of other things.
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 1: I think Miami has to be– yeah, I don't think
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 1: he can beat Miami. Say you beat Miami and go 8-4.
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 1: He beats Miami and go 8-4, man. It could be interesting. But, again, man,
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 1: I guess just how the rest of those.
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  Speaker 3: Eight games– Oh, I think if he beats Miami, he's.
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry. If you lose, man, I'm sorry. All right.
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 1: If he loses to Miami and wins out and goes 8-4,
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 1: I guess it depends on how the rest of that game,
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 1: the rest of those games. Let's say, for instance, you
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 1: get blown out by Miami or it's a close game
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 1: by Miami, then, okay, you can have a conversation.
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 2: But if you lose to them and go 8-4 down
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 2: the stretch, I don't know.
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 3: You can't lose to them and go 8-4, though.
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, can we react?
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 3: 7-5, right?
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 2: We're 3-4 right now, right? We're 3-4, so I reckon
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 2: right now.
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 3: So if you lose to Miami, the only thing you
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 3: can do is win out and go 7-5.
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 1: So we are 3-4 right now, right? If I'm not mistaken.
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 1: Just want to be 100% sure. We're 3-1.
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 2: Let me see.
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 7: 1-1-1.
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 2: 1-2-2. We're 3-3 right now.
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 18: 3-3.
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 3: Okay, so we could lose to Miami and go 8-4.
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we could lose to Miami and go 8-4, but
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 2: that's not going to happen.
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 1: So if we lose Miami and go 8-4, I guess
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 1: it depends on if we lose a close game to Miami,
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 1: then we kind of blow everybody out, but look convincing
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 1: in the rest of the games.
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 3: So you think we could lose close to Miami and
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 3: they don't fire him, just waiting on the possibility to
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 3: potentially win out?
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 1: Say, for instance, we go down the line and we
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 1: lose by three or seven or something along those lines,
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 1: I can see them probably keeping him for another week,
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 1: just letting him play out, and then that could be
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 1: the issue, and then he goes eight and four.
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 2: But I think it– no.
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 3: I– I want them to fire him on Monday, bro.
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 3: I'll be honest. I want them to fire him tomorrow.
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, if we're being honest. Sunday at the latest.
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 3: Vegas had the spread at four points, and they doubled us.
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 3: They beat us by 24 points. They spotted us 14.
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 2: They spotted us 14, man. That's crazy. Could have been 21-0. But, yeah,
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 2: I'm with you, man. I think he should be going 100%.
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 1: But just playing the odds and how this administration has
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 1: been handling this whole Mike Norvell situation, because we know
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 1: firsthand they really don't want to fire him.
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 2: If they play Miami close.
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 1: Then I can see it lingering on for another two days.
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 1: And that's going to be crazy because we've got a
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 1: bye week after that. And it spreads 19 and a
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 1: half for Miami.
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 3: So do you see them hiring like an internal candidate
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 3: for AD? Or do you think they're going to actually
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 3: hire an athletic director?
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 2: I'm talking honestly or what, man. Honestly, man, that's the thing.
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 1: With this FSU administration, I wouldn't be surprised if they
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 1: promote– what's the guy's name that's.
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 3: Been– Peter Collins?
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 2: Peter Collins, the– Or Warwick. I think it's Collins. Yeah,
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 2: Peter Collins.
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 1: I think I can see them going Peter Collins route
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 1: because it's starting to be put out that he's making
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 1: all the moves behind the scenes and things like that.
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 1: You see the story about him getting the grass fixed
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 1: and all that type of shit before the season. I
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 1: don't think that was a coincidence that that story was
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 1: dropped because what's the relevance of it, right? The relevance
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 1: of it is him wanting an AD job. So I
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 1: feel like that story is kind of.
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 3: So do you not see an issue with the people
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 3: that have got us into this position being the ones
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 3: internally promoted?
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 1: And that goes to that caller going back to what
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 1: I was saying, it's bigger than FH, bigger than Mike Norvell.
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 2: It really is. Like, it really is bigger than Mike Norvell.
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 1: Like, we got to get out of this old guard thinking, like,
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 1: as far as, you know, most programs, like, when boosters
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 1: pay money and they're allowed this, then the third, they
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 1: kind of make those decisions.
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 2: Dick Saban kind of talked about this.
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 1: FSU is one of the old programs that don't really
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 1: follow that model, so to speak, which is, I think
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 1: we kind of got to get away from that. We
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 1: got to kind of go with the money and go
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 1: go with the money and kind of go the people
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 1: that pay the bills, so to speak, and listen to
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 1: their opinions. I feel like we let too much, let
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 1: too much of the people in charge be in charge,
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 1: if that makes sense.
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 3: Who can, I mean, who makes changes at the top then, right?
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 3: Like if the AD's gone, who makes the changes above them?
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 1: The president have to drop his nuts and feel like
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 1: we need to see that we need to make changes
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 1: from the entirety of everything from this revamp everything. They
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 1: mentioned about revamping, right? So if I'm the president, man,
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 1: I'm just looking at other models and other universities and
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 1: how they run it.
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 2: I'm kind of following their model.
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 1: Successful universities at that, right? And I'm following that model.
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 1: Just my opinion. I would, if I'm the president, that's
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 1: the way I would go. Kind of follow that model
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 1: and no McCullough's not going anywhere no time soon. Someone
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 1: said the president needs to go. He just got FSU,
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 1: that new hospital, this, that, and third. I don't think
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 1: he's going anywhere anytime soon. But if I'm the president,
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 1: that's what I would do, kind of look around and
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 1: follow the Miami model like Buddy said, man. They did
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 1: a damn good job in getting things together for Miami.
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 3: We got Dave.
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 2: We got Dave, man. Dave, how you doing? I'm doing great, man.
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 2: How are you? Pretty good, pretty good. Happy to have
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 2: you on. Let's get your thoughts.
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 12: Well, I mean, you're up 14-0, fourth and goal. You
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 12: kick a field goal. You go up three scores.
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 2: I don't understand. Yeah, man, I'm with you there. And
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 2: I'm torn on that.
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 1: I do understand the goal of three scores, but I
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 1: do understand once you're in the fourth and two situation,
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 1: I just hate the actual play call itself. That's the
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 1: part I really hate. I really hate the play call itself.
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 1: And if you do miss it, you're like banking on
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 1: guys going 97 yards for a score, which they did. But, damn,
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 1: I just really hate the play call itself. If you're
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 1: going to actually go for it and not take the points,
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 1: you've got to have a better play call.
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 12: I mean, I've coached for like 15 or 20 years,
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 12: and when you have the lead and the momentum, there's
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 12: no reason to not kick the field goal there and
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 12: go up three scores.
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 7: I agree.
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 3: I said it when they had the fourth and two.
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 3: I was like, You just kick the field goal, go
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 3: up three scores, especially with the situation Norvell's in. But
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 3: I'm with CJ. If you're going to go for it,
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 3: that is not the play call you call. You don't
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 3: throw a damn screen to the right side when you've
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 3: got Croma in the backfield and you've got a 215-pound quarterback.
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 3: That's just not the play call you go with on
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 3: fourth and two on the goal line. But if it
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 3: was me, I'd have kicked the field goal. But like
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 3: I said earlier, Mike Norvell's an analytics guy, right? So
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 3: he's probably looking at analytics saying, if I kick a
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 3: field goal here, our win percentage is this. If I
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 3: go for a touchdown and get seven, my percentage of
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 3: winning increases by 10%. So that's probably what he's looking
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 3: at and probably why he went for it. So that's
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 3: another situation where you go back to Jimbo. Like, Jimbo's
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 3: kicking a field goal 100 times out of 100 right there. So, anyways,
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 3: that's just my take on it.
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I think if you get that third down, too,
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 1: we pretty much got nothing in that third down as well, too.
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 1: So that could have changed a lot of the, in
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 1: my opinion, that would have changed a lot of my
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 1: decision-making as well as far as the next decision for
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 1: as far as the field goal, this, that, and third.
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 2: That whole two-to-three-play sequence, it was terrible plays in my opinion.
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 3: Looks like we got Chris.
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 2: David still, are you got anything else or?
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 14: I mean, I would also say that, like, Deuce Robinson
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 14: looks like he's bored. And, like, it doesn't look like
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 14: he's in the game. I mean, he looks like he
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 14: doesn't want to be there.
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 11: I mean, it's just, I don't know. I've been a
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 11: Knowles fan for most of my life.
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 14: And I've never seen somebody that looks like they don't
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 14: want to be there more than him.
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's crazy. His body language is telling.
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 1: It does look like he's been going through the motions,
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 1: and I agree 100%.
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 2: And it's been not just this game.
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 1: It's been the last few games where his body language
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 1: is kind of being, is glaring on the screen, right?
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 1: You can hear it. You can see it as far
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 1: as his body language. I do think that does play
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 1: a role as far as him not being fully involved
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 1: in the offense and wanting to come back for a
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 1: big year and that type of deal. And I think
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 1: that's affecting his play as well because him not getting
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 1: the opportunities. But when the opportunities do come his way,
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 1: he's dropping or he's in a situation where you have
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 1: to make a tough catch to where last year he
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 1: made what he's missing this year. But again, that goes
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 1: to the body language and the mental fortitude, in my opinion,
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 1: that he's in right now. And it's not a good space. But, yeah, Dave,
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 1: we got one more call. We got to get to.
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 1: We got to move on. You got one more take
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 1: we're going to get off or anything else? All right,
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 1: we'll go ahead and move on.
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 2: We got Chris. Chris, what you got?
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 13: Yeah, man, I, you know, I played on a lower level.
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 13: Played D2. I played under Buster Faulkner, actually.
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 17: So, you know, one of the hot names, right, when
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 17: I was at Valdosta. We won a national championship. It
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 17: is lower level, so I'm not going to, like, boast
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 17: too much because it's kind of– it doesn't relate as much.
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 17: But I do see how the coaches are just defeated
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 17: on the sideline.
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 13: I mean, they are completely defeated. They have absolutely checked out.
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 13: You can see it. You can see it.
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 2: They have checked out. With the coaches, it's like a–
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 2: They don't care.
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 13: So it's obviously going to relate down to the players.
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 2: And they played their hearts out.
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 17: But if the coaches aren't there to keep it up,
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 17: the leadership isn't there, and it's not going to maintain.
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 17: I mean, it is what it is. If they don't
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 17: have a belief in their coaches and they didn't win it, like,
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 17: within those quarter and a half or so, then it's
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 17: just not going to maintain.
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 13: So the fact of the matter is the coaches are
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 13: going to have to change. I mean, there's no getting
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 13: around it.
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 17: And I think the fans are at a point where
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 17: they don't even want Norvell to be around long enough
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 17: to have a I told you so moment where he
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 17: wins a couple games and says, hey, I told you so,
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 17: this works.
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 13: They don't even want him to enjoy any success with FSU.
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 13: Like if success is.
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 17: Coming with FSU, they don't want him there for it.
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 17: Because it's just like, hey, man, you've embarrassed us too
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 17: much with the 2-10, lost to Jacksonville State, 63-3, too
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 17: many embarrassments.
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 3: It's done.
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 13: You don't get the privilege of being here for any
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 13: future success.
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 3: Move on.
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 13: I don't care who the next coach is at this point.
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 13: I used to have opinions on it. I don't care.
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 13: Just pick somebody.
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 17: I'll come down there and coach the rest of the
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 17: season for $ 50, 000 a year.
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 13: Just pick somebody and let us move on. It's really
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 13: going to be about a ripping the band-aid off type
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 13: of situation.
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 1: Chris, you made a good point as far as go
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 1: ahead and move on and not let them enjoy your
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 1: future endeavors or anything like that due to the past.
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 1: The experience is the heart. That kind of ties into
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 1: what you said, Harlan, as far as do it now, this, that,
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 1: and the third. Don't let them possibly get a quote-unquote
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 1: win versus Miami or lose Miami and win the rest
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 1: of the games and get eight. And like you said, Harlan,
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 1: I told you, so type of moment, go ahead and
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 1: move on now because we'll see where we're at.
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 2: Very good point. It's kind of exactly what you said, Harlan,
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 2: and it ties together.
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 17: Yeah, that's all I had to say. I'm pretty much
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 17: just trying to speak for the fans, you know, because
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 17: I'm pretty much convinced that's what the majority feel. They
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 17: just don't want to have the opportunity to have any wins.
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 17: So that's all I wanted to say is, like, speak
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 17: on behalf of the fans. You know, I know I
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 17: used to play, but, hey, that don't even matter anymore.
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 17: We just want to see the team win, and we
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 17: don't want to see it with them anymore.
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 3: Appreciate it, Chris. CJ, before we get Coe on, I
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 3: know he's the next caller. Is Deuce going to come
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 3: back next year? I mean, at this point, I mean,
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 3: he ain't going to the NFL. I mean, he had
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 3: six yards tonight, 12 yards. I mean, I think he's
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 3: got to come back unless he's not at FSU. So
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 3: I just wanted to hit on that before we moved
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 3: on to Coe.
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good point as well. Someone kind of
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 1: brought up that as, as a possibility. And with this
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 1: new rule from the four years and rare shirt to
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 1: the full five, he does have the opportunity. And I
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 1: could definitely see it a hundred percent, especially with how
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 1: he's been playing as of late. He may not have
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 1: a damn choice, but to come back. I know last
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 1: year we had to convince him to come back. He'd
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 1: probably be too much convincing this for next year.
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 2: We'll see how it plays out for the rest of
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 2: the season. Corey, how you doing, bro?
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 7: Hey, what's up, bro?
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 1: Not much.
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 2: Talk to me.
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 4: Oh man.
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 19: Um, from watching the game, you know what I mean? It's,
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 19: To me, it's not even no more excitement. Like, I
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 19: see them jumped up 14-nothing, and I really didn't even
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 19: have no excitement in the thing because it seemed like
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 19: to me after the first 15 or something scripted plays
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 19: that might run, it just go downhill. When the other
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 19: coach make an adjustment, we don't come back and make
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 19: another adjustment.
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 6: You know what I mean?
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 19: And that crowd was dead. That crowd didn't have nothing
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 19: to chill for, man. And you could have took a
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 19: three-possession lead If you went on ahead and kicked the
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 19: field goal, made it 17-0.
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 9: Huh?
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 2: You disagree? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I mean, you know, if
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 2: you take.
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 19: That three-possession lead, You know, people looking at the point,
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 19: you need to go by possessions. How many possessions I
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 19: need to get back into this game, you know? And
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 19: the crowd was there. And once they had that fourth
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 19: down stop, that brought the crowd back into the game.
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 19: And then the next play, you hit up. I mean,
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 19: I don't know where the fourth defender was at. Where
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 19: the person was supposed to force everything back inside.
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 7: It looked like he just hit the sideline like, hey.
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 2: Here we go.
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 1: You know, Jalen Adams in the defensive end, he pretty
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 1: much fell before taking on the block trying to– spill
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 1: it back inside. And once he fell, there was a huge,
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 1: huge damn hole for the, uh, for the offensive line
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 1: to kind of get through and make a play on
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 1: and go from there.
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 19: But that's all I got to say. It looked like
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 19: I'm going in and out, man. But if you could
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 19: comment on that, you know, speak on that, it'd be cool.
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 1: No, I'm with you a hundred percent, man. Like at
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 1: that point in time, yeah. Um, points are paramount.
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 2: Um, I get it.
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 1: We definitely need the points and just to go from
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 1: the momentum swing.
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 2: Like, it's crazy.
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 1: That's the game of football. You go from that fourth
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 1: down deal from a 97-yard play to the very next play.
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 1: It's unfortunate, but I'm with you 100%, especially with the
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 1: crowd being at that point in time.
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 2: Take them out of the game. Appreciate you, Cora, for joining.
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 3: All right. I think we're good, CJ. Unless you got
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 3: anything else.
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 2: Oh, hold on one second. Dave only. Was Dave actually
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 2: on just then?
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 7: No.
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 3: You want me to bring him in?
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Dave, you weren't on. You were in the background.
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 1: Dave, you get this last takeoff, and we'll go ahead
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 1: and finish up the show. Go ahead and get your
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 1: last takeoff.
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 2: My apologies. Once you– yeah, you're highlighting now, so you're
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 2: good to go.
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 18: Go ahead, Dave.
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 2: Sorry, Dave was in the background talking, but he wasn't highlighting.
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 2: Go ahead, Dave. We'll wrap the show up from here.
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 17: Oh, sorry.
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 2: Okay. Yeah, I mean, I've been a Mike Norvell fan. Yeah,
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 2: I've been a Mike Norvell fan forever.
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 12: And, like, after tonight– The fourth and goal, when you
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 12: don't kick a field goal to go up three scores,
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 12: I don't know.
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 2: No, I get it, man.
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 1: That fourth down play definitely draws a lot of damn opinions, man.
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 1: But I think the game was a lot bigger than
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 1: that play. I'm more so concerned about the offense after
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 1: that play, right? Because you pretty much went three down
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 1: quarters without scoring anything. any type of point and getting
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 1: any type of juice from the offense after the first
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 1: three drives, kind of getting whatever you wanted from an
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 1: offensive standpoint. And, and it's pretty much what we've seen
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 1: from Norville in the past, right? Where we get hot
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 1: a few drives and there's just these huge stalls from games.
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 1: I go back way back to 2022 against NC state.
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 1: When within that three game losing streak, when we ended
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 1: up losing that game with Jordan, Jordan, Travis throwing interception,
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 1: we just thought too much on offense. And that's pretty
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 1: much the same thing. And so I do get that,
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 1: That fourth down play, I don't know, man. I don't
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 1: mind the decision to go for it. Like I said,
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 1: I won't mind kicking the points or going for it.
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 1: It's just that play call itself was terrible. If I'm
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 1: going for it on the fourth, I'm not calling that
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 1: play at all. But I do understand his thinking for
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 1: it going forward. You go up 21. If you miss it,
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 1: it's fucking 97 yards. Defense is playing well. If you
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 1: do miss it, we pin them deep and we can
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 1: either make them punt and get the ball back on
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 1: the short field for a new drive and then kind
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 1: of score again.
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 2: So you think of all that, right?
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 1: You don't think on the very next play you want
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 1: to give a 97-yard touchdown run, right? So it's easy
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 1: to kind of, I guess you could say, nitpick that
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 1: after the fact. But my biggest issue is the play
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 1: call for sure. Not necessarily a decision to go for,
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 1: but the play call. And then everything that happened after that,
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 1: we pretty much went close to three full quarters without
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 1: scoring a point.
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 2: We're going to go ahead and wrap up the show, man.
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 2: Appreciate you guys joining. I'll miss you guys.
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 1: Matter of fact, we're going to hold on for two
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 1: more seconds. We think we do got another caller coming on.
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 1: And we're going to let them get their takeoff and
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 1: go from there. But yeah, that's my biggest take within
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 1: the game. Well, not necessarily within the game, but my
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 1: biggest takeaway within Norvell on the offense, so to speak.
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 2: Not necessarily the fourth down, but.
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 1: not go for the field goal, but that close to
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 1: three damn quarters of just not doing nothing at all
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 1: on offense after the first drive, second drive, and even
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 1: the third drive up to that fourth down black thereof conversion,
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 1: we ended up, you know, the offense looked pretty damn
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 1: good prior to that. Make sure you guys hit that
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• 1:32:21
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• 1:32:24
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• 1:32:26
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• 1:32:27
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• 1:32:30
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• 1:32:34
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• 1:32:36
  Speaker 3: So I'll rate on this one last caller, CJ, what's
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 3: your score prediction next, next weekend for FSU Miami early,
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 3: early preview.
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 1: A lot to a little, um, a lot to a little, man.
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 1: I think Miami is going to try to do a thing.
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 1: It's going to be another 40 ball for sure.
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 3: Um, It's a little weird. Like even when we were
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 3: as high as they are and they were as low
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 3: as we are back in the day, there were still
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 3: close games. You don't think there's some, it could be
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 3: Miami magic.
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 2: It could, because this game typically is close, right?
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 1: Whenever we play Miami, um, it's typically a close damn game, but, um,
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 1: I just don't see it, especially with how this defense
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 1: has been performing. We know Miami is probably the most
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 1: prolific offense we've seen to this point. Um, Running game,
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 1: physical offensive line, physical running back and in. You got
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 1: a quarterback that's very efficient and a receiver who's the
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 1: most explosive player we played all year on offense, right,
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 1: and a guy that can turn a lot to a little.
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 1: So the matchups just don't bide well for FSU for
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 1: it to be a close game. But we've known Florida
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 1: State Miami to be close in history, but with this one,
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 1: I don't see it. We got a last caller for
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 1: the day, man.
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 2: T.J., what's good, man? How you doing, bro?
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 6: Man, not much. Not much is good, T.J., How are
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 6: you feeling, bud? So I just tuned in. I've been busy.
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 6: I've been ranting. You've been ranting a little bit?
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 1: I have a little bit on Twitter, but I'm kind
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 1: of past that now. So this is my mindset. I
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 1: feel like it's either going to go good or it's
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 1: going to go good. I feel like we're in the
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 1: go-good portion as far as just letting it play out.
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 1: Then we get to a situation to where, hey, you're
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 1: hiring a new head coach. So I feel like we
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 1: either go good, win nine, ten games, good season, Or
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 1: we start losing games and we fire Mike Novella. And
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 1: that's the good part about it as well, too, because
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 1: we're going to, you know, better days will be coming
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 1: pretty soon.
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 6: My only fear is what if they luck into, like,
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 6: no good wins?
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 2: And that's the thing Harley was just talking about. We
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 2: don't want that to happen. We don't want to give
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 2: them the opportunity.
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 6: Like, that's where I'm just like, okay. So the scenario is, like,
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 6: you think about, like, okay. I don't know if you
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 6: saw that Thamel report that came out today. But that's
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 6: what got me frustrated on my postgame was if you–
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 6: say you beat BC, right? We all think we could
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 6: win that game. NC State, not real great. Pittsburgh doesn't
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 6: have a quarterback. So there's three wins right there. I mean,
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 6: there's six wins. What if Clemson– like, I don't think
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 6: they're going to– so the other three games are Clemson, Florida, Miami.
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 6: I don't think we're winning any of those. But what
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 6: if you did? Like, what if you beat Clemson?
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 2: You got 75.
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 6: And they're bringing it back. Like, I mean– And that's
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 6: where I think it puts Florida State fans in a
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 6: tough spot.
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 2: So to your point.
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 1: If I'm a decision maker, because I'm looking at the optics, right?
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 1: So I'm looking at the same shit you just said. Yeah,
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 1: we won these seven wins, but a Pittsburgh team down
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 1: the quarterback, a Clemson team that's clearly not Clemson, right?
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 2: This isn't the same Clemson we've been seeing, so.
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 1: We're looking at a 7... Yeah, I get a 7-5, 7-5, 8-4, 10-3,
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 1: but we really pulled back the layers of.
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 6: It's a fake 7-5, but I think for the people that.
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 1: But that's a good point, though, because they don't want
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 1: a 5 in the first down place, right?
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 11: Right.
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 6: So the people that aren't psychos like me and you,
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 6: that follow every single step of the road, I think
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 6: they're okay with it. I think they... You know, the
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 6: average fan that goes to games... Like, this is their
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 6: Saturdays in the fall. And then they move on with
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 6: life at other times, where me and you don't do that. Like,
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 6: we are obsessed with every aspect of this, and that's
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 6: why it's so frustrating to us. But the average fan
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 6: that just goes to seven, eight games would look at
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 6: it and say, ah, you know, we got better. We
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 6: got a little bit better over the year. I don't know, man.
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 6: I just hope that more people are like psychos like
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 6: me and you and expect better.
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 1: And we need more voices to get more loud, right?
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 1: And I think After this week, if things go how
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 1: we think it'll go, those voices will definitely be in
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 1: play and it'll be a lot more loud. But to
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 1: your point, like the average fan, like the people, we
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 1: know it's bigger than just, it's deeper than the fall, right?
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 1: Because everything that leads up to the fall is pretty
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 1: much so important as far as the foundation of the
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 1: program years after.
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 2: And we know the recruiting is terrible.
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 1: If you go win six games, win seven games, it's
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 1: going to get even worse, right, because you have nothing.
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 1: What are you selling? What are you selling at that
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 1: point to these recruits? Hey, I went from two to
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 1: five to six and seven wins like this. You're not
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 1: selling that at all. Then you've got Miami on the
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 1: flip end who can sell, okay, this is what's going on.
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 1: You have Florida on the flip end who, if they continue,
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 1: I think they'll be fine. Say they went eight games
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 1: or so first year, which is damn good, in my opinion,
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 1: for their head coach. hey, this is what we're building
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 1: at Florida. We have that new energy, this new juice.
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 1: We're going to be, what, year eight for Norville?
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 6: Talking about six and seven wins like that might be enough.
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 6: That's crazy, CJ. Come on. Listen, I don't mean to
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 6: be disrespectful, but Bowden might not have been the only
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 6: thing they buried a few years ago, bro. I think
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 6: they buried the standard. I think they buried the standard
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 6: with Coach. I truly believe they just don't care. And
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 6: I mean, I'm not trying to say nobody there cares. Like,
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 6: that's not my point. But you look at, like, the president.
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 6: I mean, the president went to Harvard. The president's not
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 6: an alum. Like, he went to Harvard, man. Like, he's
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 6: there as a business guy to acquire a hospital. And
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 6: he's done a great job with all that. But you
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 6: got a lot of people. Michael Alford, right? Like, he
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 6: was great to us. He came on the show. He
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 6: was nice. Like, whatever. Like, I ain't got nothing wrong
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 6: with him as a person. I mean, he didn't go
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 6: to FSU. Like, I don't think he cared. You know, like,
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 6: it was another job. Like, he interviewed for other jobs.
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 6: I think a lot of the people running this thing
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 6: don't really care. And it sucks because we want them
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 6: to care like we do, but they're just not. And again,
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 6: I'm not saying that everybody in that building does not care.
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 6: I know there's a lot. I know Ernie cares. I
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 6: know Fuller cares. I know there's people there that care.
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 6: But I think a large portion of them, they don't
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 6: care like we do because they don't understand how special
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 6: Tallahassee is, how special Florida State is, what Coach Bowden built,
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 6: what Jimbo carried on. And it's just another, I mean,
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 6: for a lot of these people, it's just another job.
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 6: And I don't know how, I don't know how that changes.
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 6: I know that college football is such a business now,
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 6: and I get that. But man, if you get the
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 6: right people in place that actually care, like Miami's AD,
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 6: like Mario cares because he went there, but like Miami's
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 6: AD wasn't. When they had that guy from Clemson, he
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 6: wasn't a Miami alum. Their president wasn't. They got rid
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 6: of Donna. They got alignment. They got people that cared.
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 6: They got people that were tired of getting embarrassed. And
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 6: I just wonder how many times we have to get
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 6: embarrassed before the people that actually make the decisions will say,
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 6: you know what? I care enough to stop being embarrassed.
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 6: Because it took Kirk calling them out on game day
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 6: for them to finally change things. And I'm wondering where
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 6: that line is drawn. I'm wondering if a 44-6 run
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 6: on a Friday night when the whole nation is watching
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 6: by Louisville is enough.
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 9: Or.
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 6: If Miami needs to beat us by 60, is that
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 6: what it takes? Or a Clemson team that you just said,
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 6: that is not Clemson, if that could be enough. Or
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 6: if it's the end of the year. I was talking
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 6: about this on my show. Florida had three wins when
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 6: they played us last year, and they beat the dog
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 6: shit out of us, bro. That was not like 96 Florida.
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 6: That was a three-win Florida team that just got blown
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 6: out by Tennessee the week before. So I just wonder, man,
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 6: will it ever get embarrassing enough?
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 2: So that's the thing, bro. It's crazy you mention it.
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 1: That makes that whole– first of all, you put out
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 1: the statement after Stanford and say, as season's in, we're
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 1: going to evaluate. And then you put out the statement,
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 1: we're going to stick by Norvell before the season is
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 1: actually over.
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 6: They were covering their butt. They were covering their butt, man.
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 1: And then you get boat raced by Florida. But to
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 1: your point, we have business people in place, right? So
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 1: once the business started hurting– And I think if they
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 1: announce that they're going to bring Norvell back this year, oh,
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 1: my gosh.
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 2: The ticket sales, booster, all of that type of shit
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 2: is going to plummet. It's going to plummet.
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 6: I feel bad for the people that got to make
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 6: season ticket calls. Those people got the worst job in America.
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 1: Worst job in America. Trying to sell season tickets for
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 1: Florida State.
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 6: It should be the easiest job.
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 2: It should be, right?
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 6: It should be the easiest job. Like, hey, boss, I
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 6: just got another sale. Oh, I mean, you're selling tickets
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 6: to FSU. It shouldn't be that hard.
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 2: Now you're just getting cold calls again.
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 6: You know, like the telemarketers call you and you're like,
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 6: Don't ever call me again.
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 1: You're getting cussed out by saying, I want some season
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 1: tickets to Florida State, man. You want to renew. People
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 1: are cussing you out. That's why I'm renewing. So I
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 1: think it's going to get to that point. And that's
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 1: really why Willie Taggart was fired. They saw the projections
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 1: as far as what was happening from the money standpoint
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 1: and how things were going to project from the ticket sales.
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 2: And it just, it was a losing. We were in
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 2: the red.
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 1: And I think it's going to happen with Florida State
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 1: pretty quickly with this Martin Revell situation. That's what you
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 1: got to make a move for and just understand like, okay, Yes,
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 1: we owe him $ 40, 000, $ 45, 000, whatever the money is, but
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 1: the bite isn't that big as far as the totality
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 1: of the program, how much money you're going to be
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 1: actually losing. You bring in a new guy and say
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 1: you win. You win nine, ten games. Hell, if you
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 1: win ten games in the ACC, you got a chance
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 1: to make it to the playoffs, right? Within this new era,
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 1: if you win ten games and do it right, and
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 1: you can get your money back pretty quickly from just winning.
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 6: Miami made– I mean, we fought for this. I did
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 6: a whole video on this. We fought for people to
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 6: make more money if they were more valuable on the
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 6: field and on TV. Miami made $ 40 million last year
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 6: just from going to the national championship. And they have
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 6: split none of that with the ACC. Indiana made that
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 6: same $ 40 million, but had to split it 18 ways.
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 6: Miami basically made Mike's buyout in one year. One year.
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 6: Going to the national championship. If you got a coach
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 6: that was serious, and you don't owe Mike that money
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 6: up front. You owe him it yearly as it pays
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 6: out 85% by year. If you got a coach that
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 6: was serious about football, I think Summerall is going to
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 6: be good. You know, like, I mean, you know, we'll see.
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 6: Proof will be in the pudding. But if you got
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 6: a coach that you thought was going to be good,
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 6: now you might hire another Taggart or Norvell. You never know. Like,
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 6: Florida hired four bad coaches in a row. You might
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 6: hire another bad one. But you got to move on
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 6: because it's not just the money you lose from season
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 6: ticket sales and donors and all that stuff. It's the
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 6: opportunity cost you're losing, too. Like I said, Miami hired
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 6: the right guy. It sucks for us, but Mario clearly
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 6: is the right guy that can bring in talent and
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 6: hire good coordinators and win a lot of games in
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 6: this conference. If you do that, miami just made miami
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 6: just made the whole freaking buyout in one off season
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 6: bro that is and it's the most infuriating thing right that's.
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 1: What i'm saying so if you get the right guy
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 1: and don't be the right guy in it can be
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 1: a pretty damn quick turnaround especially in this conference because
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 1: you're going to be here for for the next few
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 1: years right within this conference it can be a quick
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 1: turnaround you get that money in and you like i
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 1: said you don't have to pay all this money up
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 1: front yeah in the in the beginning so You can
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 1: be on the green if you just make the decision
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 1: and if you hire the right guy. Now, of course,
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 1: there's a crapshoot where he's the right guy, the wrong guy,
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 1: but we know clearly we have the wrong guy. So
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 1: that's already a known commodity as far as Norvell isn't
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 1: the guy. What you don't know is what the future
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 1: could bring, so you take that.
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 2: Chance on it.
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 6: Who are you hiring, bro? That's what I came here for.
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 6: I came here for the whiteboard.
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 3: I already asked him this earlier.
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 6: Get out the whiteboard, bro. Arlen, I want to hear
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 6: from you.
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 3: All right, well, let's do it.
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 2: Who am I hiring? Let's go, man. I'm going to
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 2: go Jimbo, man. I'm going to go Jimbo. I like Jimbo.
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 2: The reason why I like it is, well, I think
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 2: he would be a good candidate for multiple reasons. Let's
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 2: say one.
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 1: What is our money looking like? If you're going to
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 1: be all in, you're going to pay $ 40 million to Mike.
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 1: You're going to pay another buyout to a guy that's
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 1: already coaching $ 40 million. If you got a blank checkbook,
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 1: let's go do it.
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 2: This, that, and third.
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 1: Go get whoever the fuck you want to because you
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 1: can pay $ 40 to Mike, $ 40 to clear whoever out
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 1: and then pay the new staff and then have NIL money.
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 1: If you have that type of money, if you're in
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 1: a situation to where, okay, we're kind of handicapped a
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 1: little bit and we got to maneuver in a certain way,
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 1: you could pay him $ 4 million. You're getting 7.5 and
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 1: I'm paying him $ 4 million. You don't have to buy
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 1: out a new coach. Say for instance, you go steal
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 1: Dan Landon from Oregon, not to pay an Oregon buyout
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 1: or whatever it may be. You could, focus that money
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 1: on the new staff and be staff heavy and NIL
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 1: competent heavy, this, that.
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 2: And third.
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 1: If you're tied up from a money standpoint. And what
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 1: I'm hearing, man, like this, and this is what I'm hearing.
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 1: This is just third-hand information. Like he's putting together a
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 1: pretty solid damn staff. And we're trying to put together
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 1: a pretty solid staff. We all know he's going for
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 1: the job and he wants it. And he's been reaching
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 1: out to high school coaches in certain areas and things
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 1: like that, trying to build those relationships again. If the
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 1: situation was to open up, So I think he'll be
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 1: a good candidate. I like this is a guy that
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 1: won it out last year from USC. If Baylor would
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 1: have opened up, I believe he would have been the
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 1: Baylor coach 100%. They would have fired Dave Aranda.
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 2: I won't have an issue with Lincoln Riley. Yeah.
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 1: Reason being, we know offense is going to be explosive.
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 1: It's going to be explosive. You know how to recruit quarterbacks,
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 1: develop coach quarterbacks. That's the main thing in college football.
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 1: If you have a good quarterback, you can kind of
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 1: go from there, right?
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 2: Trenches. He knows how to recruit the trenches. I've been
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 2: a big I guess you could say I've been a
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 2: big critic of Lincoln.
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 1: Riley as far as his recruiting prowess as far as
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 1: where he's focusing at. I feel like you should focus
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 1: in California, that West Coast area. When USC was peak,
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 1: Pete Carroll dominated the West Coast, right? Lincoln Riley has
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 1: consistent tapped into Georgia, tapped into Florida, the Southeast as
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 1: far as recruiting. He's had some wins as well, too.
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 1: He has a lot of defensive linemen. So I say this,
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 1: he knows where the talent is. He knows where the
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 1: talent is, and even though he's on the West Coast,
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 1: he's still recruiting the trenches very good from the Southeast.
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 1: So you bring that back to the Southeast, there's no
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 1: doubt in my mind that those South Georgia kids that
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 1: were born in the USC, they'll be staying in Florida
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 1: from a defensive line standpoint. And then when they be
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 1: in Florida State, I know the big question is his
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 1: defensive coordinator. He can hire a defensive coordinator as long
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 1: as he recruits the trenches well. He can bring in
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 1: the guy that's a competent D.C. in Florida, at Florida State,
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 1: that can be pretty good from a defensive standpoint. So
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 1: I think Lincoln would be a guy. I know a
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 1: lot of people feel like that's not obtainable, but I
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 1: really think it'd be a mutual interest as far as
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 1: coming back to the South for Lincoln route.
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 2: I think it'd be a good idea as well.
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 6: Do you like Rhett? Do you think Rhett would be good?
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 2: I like Rhett. I do. I like Rhett. Would he
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 2: leave SMU?
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 3: Wouldn't his buyout be insane though? Didn't he just sign
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 3: an extension?
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 2: I think he did sign an extension, so that would
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 2: be a question.
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 6: I don't think his buyout is crazy to leave. I
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 6: just think, but I don't know if you can claw
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 6: that real quick, Harlan, but The thing about SMU, I
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 6: know the perceptions they got out of this money. You
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 6: know they've never finished with a top 30 class.
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 2: So that's the thing, too.
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 6: I don't think they're spending that money like we think.
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 2: To the point.
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 1: And even within the portal, they haven't had a big
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 1: transfer portal.
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 6: Now, like, maybe we go after them hard and they
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 6: give them $ 12 million a year or something crazy. You know, like,
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 6: maybe they do up and spend it. But, like, all
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 6: this money that we think about SMU having... I ain't
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 6: seen them flaunting yet. They ain't pulled a Texas Tech yet.
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 6: I think we think about them like they're Texas Tech.
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 2: You're talking about the Pony Express days.
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 6: Now, I know they got it, but I don't think
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 6: they're spinning it like... I don't know if them checks
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 6: are flowing like we assume they could. Now, they might.
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 6: Maybe we pony up. No pun intended, but maybe we
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 6: try and go get him, and they do go crazy
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 6: with a contract for him, but I don't think they're
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 6: doing that right now. We'll see.
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 1: I can't believe that would be a great from an
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 1: offensive standpoint. Hell, we know even if it was the
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 1: offensive coordinator in Miami, he was the only quarterback to
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 1: actually have... What's the quarterback that was from New Jersey
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 1: that ended up transferring to Wisconsin?
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 6: Oh, Van Dyke.
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 2: He was the only coach to actually Make Van Dyke
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 2: look like an actual player, in my opinion.
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 6: Yeah, when he was healthy, Van Dyke was balling.
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 2: He was.
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  Speaker 3: SMU's a private institution, so their contracts are, I guess, secret.
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 3: You can't know, but the guesstimate is his buyout's about
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 3: $ 40 million.
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 6: That's to fire him or to hire him away?
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 3: To hire him away. You'd have to pay out about
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 3: $ 40 million.
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 2: That's the big thing. big issue, right? That's too much.
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 9: Right.
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 2: You got to pay the Mike Norvell. You got to
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 2: pay someone's buyout.
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 6: And then pay him, too.
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 7: Correct.
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 2: To come to Florida State.
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 6: That's a lot. That's a lot. Dan Lanning's is crazy, too.
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 6: I need them to lose a few more games this year.
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 6: I'm cheering UCLA tomorrow. Well, today, I guess now. But
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 6: I'm cheering UCLA.
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 2: No, Jimmy Sesson's going to... He's a motherfucker when it
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 2: comes to his country.
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 6: Yeah, fuck that guy, bro.
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 2: I need him to die.
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 1: It's like a 95% chance you're going to deal with
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 1: him when it comes to these coaches.
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 11: I know.
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 7: I know.
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 3: So, TJ, you asked CJ who he hired. Who are
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 3: you hiring?
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, give me your list.
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 6: I don't hate the coordinator route. I think that's worked out. Like,
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 6: Kirby was a coordinator. Sark was a coordinator. Lanning was
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 6: a coordinator. A lot of the top coaches in college football, right?
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 6: Ryan Day was a coordinator. Like, I think that can work,
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 6: but To me, everything's a crapshoot. I would steer clear
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 6: of Manny. I don't think I'd go that direction. Jimbo,
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 6: I'd be fine with if he hired... If Jimbo would
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 6: CEO it and really be that closer on the trail
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 6: and be that evaluator and then let an offensive coordinator
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 6: or defensive coordinator run things, that could work to me.
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 6: But I don't know that I want Jimbo to be
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 6: the offensive coordinator, run the offense, all that stuff. There
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 6: would have to be certain stipulations there Um, so like
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 6: when you're thinking about coordinators, I like, man, I like Heatherman.
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 6: I don't know if he would really leave or not.
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 6: I like, I like both guys in Indiana. I like Schumann.
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 6: You know, I think there's good coordinators out there. I
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 6: don't know that there's a, like last year, it felt
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 6: like there were a lot of group of five guys
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 6: that look, felt like they made a lot of sense,
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 6: like Golish and Summerall and all those guys. I don't
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 6: know if I feel that way. I've heard people talk
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 6: about Charles Hough. I'm like, man, I can't do that.
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 2: I do. But Memphis, you want to go back there?
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 6: I can't do the Memphis thing two times in a row, bro.
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 2: Like, I just– I know. I do like Charles Hough.
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 2: He's a vertigo G5.
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 1: He's probably like the only– him and the boys in
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 1: state– well, boys are not G5 anymore, are they?
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 2: I think they're Big 12.
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 6: No, they're Pac-12 now. So it's kind of fake G5.
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, G5 still. But at the same time, it's proximity
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 1: as far as not being.
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 6: I think Jake Dickert's a good coach. The only thing
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 6: I worry about is he's kind of got the Norvell
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 6: vibes too, though. Not Norvell vibes. I think he's a
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 6: better coach. But he's winning at Wake, man.
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 1: And the only thing I don't... And he.
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 6: Did a good job evaluating talent. The only thing I
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 6: worry about is can he recruit? I think you've got
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 6: to find a proven recruiter.
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 2: There's nothing saying he can't.
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 6: I don't think Summerall came in as just this ace
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 6: recruiter that you couldn't miss on. I think Napier was
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 6: probably thought of as a better recruiter than Summerall before
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 6: both of them went to Florida. But I don't know, man.
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 6: If you put effort in, that might be enough. I
• 1:52:06
  Speaker 6: think that's part of FSU staff's problem is the effort level.
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 2: That's the thing.
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 1: It's been so many situations to where these guys had
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 1: a layup, literally a layup right in front of them.
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 2: But they just don't take the layup. They make stuff
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 2: so much harder than what it is. So you're right.
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 1: If you just put effort in and relay on relationships
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 1: in certain situations to where it can be easier, like,
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 1: for instance, you guys know how much I tweet about
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 1: Mandarin and this, that, and the third and how it
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 1: was ours for the taking. It was literally ours for
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 1: the taking if they did what they're supposed to do
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 1: with that. Levy those relationships. Like, it was no way,
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 1: they didn't levy those Mandarin relationships that we had in this, that,
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 1: and the third and it was, and of course we've
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 1: lost too, but It was literally there, but you got
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 1: to– that's on me for actually believing in the staff
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 1: to do their job as well too, right?
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 6: They're always the bridesmaid, man. Correct.
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 3: Y'all hate Eli Drinkwits?
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 6: I don't hate that. I'll tell you what. My favorite
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 6: SEC stat of all time is that Missouri has never
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 6: beaten a team that finished above 500 in the SEC.
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 2: So that's the thing.
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 1: Like I don't know– I think Drink is an okay coach,
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 1: but a lot of that stuff be– Fluffing as far
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 1: as SEC rankings and that type of deal.
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, man. I really don't know. He recruited pretty well
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 2: for Mizzou. Had a pretty good defense.
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 6: He got in the Warrior a couple years ago. He's
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 6: done a good job birding all those guys. He's gotten guys.
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 6: Hardy is there now.
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 1: How's the defensive end? I'm not sure if you guys
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 1: remember the defensive end. We had a five-star from Coco
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 1: that ended up flipping.
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 2: I don't know what you're talking about.
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 6: Dude, he's a good recruiter.
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 2: Right, he had balls committed, too.
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 6: Yeah, and he... Yeah, the thing about Missouri is, like, see,
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 6: they'll beat, like, a Thompson in Florida. Yeah, Javion Hilton.
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 2: He's just not a sexy name, to be honest. He's not.
• 1:53:58
  Speaker 6: But he might come in and win, you know? But, like,
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 6: watch this. They beat the shit out of Florida last week.
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 6: Watch him go lose J & M tomorrow. Or today,
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 6: I guess now. Like, that's just the story of that,
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 6: you know?
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 1: Like.
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 6: I don't know, man. He wouldn't be the worst hire.
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 6: Like you could do worse than him for sure. So
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 6: I would take it, but I don't know.
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 3: That kid, that kid transferred to Virginia tech, by the way.
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 2: God damn.
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 14: Yeah.
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 2: Well, so much for that.
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 6: Couldn't cut in the sec, bro.
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 7: Right.
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 2: This means more.
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 6: Um, Franklin, I want Franklin last year.
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 2: That's what I want.
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 6: That was my coach.
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 2: That's the thing. So we really did.
• 1:54:41
  Speaker 1: Like, We had a perfect situation last year, so I
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 1: really feel like after that Stanford game, it was the
• 1:54:47
  Speaker 1: perfect time to cut ties.
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 2: That was it. We had a guy on Franklin, he
• 1:54:51
  Speaker 2: was begging for an FSU job.
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 6: Oh, that's why he waited so long. Virginia Tech finally
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 6: told him, you're either going to take this or not.
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 1: He was begging for the job because he knew it
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 1: would have been an easy bang, bang, come in and
• 1:55:03
  Speaker 1: get rolling. I know a lot of fans were against it,
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 1: but man, he was You couldn't win the big game.
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 2: Like, motherfucker, it's fucking Ohio State.
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 1: Like, yeah, it's not so many people who's beating Ohio
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 1: State or Michigan the year they were up. Like, it
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 1: was– whenever those two teams are up in the Big Ten,
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 1: there's only so much you can do. But I feel
• 1:55:21
  Speaker 1: like we're Florida State. We're a different team than Penn
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 1: State in my opinion.
• 1:55:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree.
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 6: They got to– the people in charge got to eventually
• 1:55:29
  Speaker 6: look at this place like it's different than just, you know,
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 6: a department that makes them some money on the side.
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 6: They got to actually care about competing. And we waste
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 6: our breath and energy and everything else, effort, tears, everything,
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 6: all that we do. And once they start caring half
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 6: as much as we do, we'll probably get better.
• 1:55:48
  Speaker 3: A lot of people will hate to hear this, but
• 1:55:52
  Speaker 3: I have a very connected source who coached at a
• 1:55:56
  Speaker 3: high-level school at FSU. What Karen Keillor would tell you, bro?
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 3: When our president was hired, he told a bunch of
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 3: the coaches that his number one priority was nowhere near athletics.
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 3: So I'll just make that known now. And that's our
• 1:56:12
  Speaker 3: current president at FSU. So, and he told that to
• 1:56:14
  Speaker 3: all of our head coaches of all sports. So breaking
• 1:56:18
  Speaker 3: news there, but I'm comfortable releasing that now.
• 1:56:21
  Speaker 6: But I also feel like that's, I mean, I'm fine
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 6: with that. If you put a good athletic director, like
• 1:56:26
  Speaker 6: good leaders are, The best presidents didn't have their hands.
• 1:56:30
  Speaker 6: I'm talking about from the country standpoint. But the best
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 6: presidents hired good people around them to run the military
• 1:56:39
  Speaker 6: and to run education and to run the economy. They
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 6: put good people around them.
• 1:56:43
  Speaker 3: If you look at our current situation right now, we
• 1:56:45
  Speaker 3: have no AD, so who's running it?
• 1:56:46
  Speaker 6: That's what I'm saying. I'm fine.
• 1:56:48
  Speaker 3: Everything I've been reading saying is the current president and
• 1:56:51
  Speaker 3: whoever is going to hire the new AD and the
• 1:56:53
  Speaker 3: new head coach. Well, if they don't care about athletics,
• 1:56:55
  Speaker 3: then why are they doing the hiring?
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 6: Well, and that's my point, is, like, if you want
• 1:57:00
  Speaker 6: to be hands-off, I'm good with that. I would rather
• 1:57:03
  Speaker 6: the president be hands-off of this thing. But, like, you've
• 1:57:06
  Speaker 6: got to hire the right person for that department and
• 1:57:08
  Speaker 6: then let them do their thing. You know, like, I'm
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 6: good with you not being your hands in the middle
• 1:57:12
  Speaker 6: of all of it, but you do got to at
• 1:57:14
  Speaker 6: least hire somebody. I mean, that's a multi... I mean,
• 1:57:16
  Speaker 6: Florida State Athletics pulled in, like, $ 200 million last year. Like,
• 1:57:20
  Speaker 6: it's not, like, a small thing. Like, you hire a
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 6: good person to run it, and then you get your
• 1:57:25
  Speaker 6: hands off of it and let them run it.
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 2: And that's what dog shit football. Like, come on. Right.
• 1:57:29
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:57:29
  Speaker 6: Like, imagine what you could be doing. You know, Tennessee
• 1:57:31
  Speaker 6: was up, like, 250, 300. Like, and they're not good either.
• 1:57:35
  Speaker 6: They went 75. You know, like, you just got to
• 1:57:38
  Speaker 6: hire somebody good in that role and let them roll
• 1:57:41
  Speaker 6: with things. But I don't know, man. Wasting my breath
• 1:57:45
  Speaker 6: right now.
• 1:57:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:57:46
  Speaker 1: Wasting my breath until we actually make a move. And
• 1:57:49
  Speaker 1: hopefully we'll see within this next week or so if
• 1:57:52
  Speaker 1: Miami can do what we think Miami can do. how
• 1:57:54
  Speaker 1: serious these guys are because the rumors are only going
• 1:57:58
  Speaker 1: to get louder, especially after next week.
• 1:58:01
  Speaker 2: It's going to be a tough week as it is
• 1:58:02
  Speaker 2: right now.
• 1:58:03
  Speaker 6: I'm hoping they just slide it in right before. Slide
• 1:58:07
  Speaker 6: that announcement out, 1155. right as game day is ending.
• 1:58:13
  Speaker 2: Don't even give Miami the satisfaction.
• 1:58:15
  Speaker 6: News dump that right before the game started at noon
• 1:58:19
  Speaker 6: and just get it going, bro.
• 1:58:20
  Speaker 2: Don't even give them the satisfaction. We're going to that
• 1:58:22
  Speaker 2: game with a clean slate.
• 1:58:24
  Speaker 6: Oh, I'll cheer for FSU hard that day.
• 1:58:26
  Speaker 2: Exactly. The narrative completely flips.
• 1:58:29
  Speaker 6: I'll be Ashley Daniels' biggest fan, bro. Bring it on. Now,
• 1:58:33
  Speaker 6: I do– listen, quick shout-out. I got to get out
• 1:58:35
  Speaker 6: of here. I got to– it's 1 o'clock, bro. CJ,
• 1:58:37
  Speaker 6: what you got?
• 1:58:38
  Speaker 2: Maybe we'll wrap it up after this and we'll go ahead.
• 1:58:40
  Speaker 6: Shout-out my boy Cromwell, man. I love that kid. Down 21,
• 1:58:43
  Speaker 6: he's dragging people. Somebody commented on my show. We were
• 1:58:46
  Speaker 6: watching it live, and they were like, hey, man, I
• 1:58:48
  Speaker 6: think their effort's not good. I'm not going to speak
• 1:58:50
  Speaker 6: for all 22 guys that are on the field. But
• 1:58:52
  Speaker 6: I know that Crowball down 21 was dragging motherfuckers. Like,
• 1:58:55
  Speaker 6: shout out that kid.
• 1:58:56
  Speaker 1: I know people want to give him a flag about
• 1:58:58
  Speaker 1: that four. I know he felt bad about.
• 1:59:00
  Speaker 2: It as well, too.
• 1:59:01
  Speaker 1: It was a first down, 100%. But he's going to
• 1:59:05
  Speaker 1: give effort, man. That's one thing about him. He's going
• 1:59:07
  Speaker 1: to give effort 100%. I really hope we can retain
• 1:59:10
  Speaker 1: him with this new staff for sure.
• 1:59:11
  Speaker 6: Prayers up. Because he's my favorite player on the team.
• 1:59:13
  Speaker 6: It's not close. I love that kid.
• 1:59:15
  Speaker 2: TJ, appreciate you joining, man. It's been a pleasure.
• 1:59:17
  Speaker 6: Appreciate you, CJ. Appreciate what you do, man.
• 1:59:20
  Speaker 2: Yes, sir. Let the people know they can find you
• 1:59:22
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• 1:59:24
  Speaker 6: Yeah, just type that in. Don't watch tonight's show, man.
• 1:59:26
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• 1:59:30
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• 1:59:33
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• 1:59:36
  Speaker 2: All right, bro.
• 1:59:38
  Speaker 6: Appreciate you, brother.
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  Speaker 7: Thanks, man.
• 1:59:40
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• 1:59:45
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• 1:59:48
  Speaker 1: the season will either go good or good. We're at
• 1:59:49
  Speaker 1: the latter part of the good.