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Episode 45: Habits on how-to guard HOPE through life's challenges · The Habit Lab

• 1:08
  Jenna: We all have areas in our life we might feel stuck or overwhelmed.
• 1:12
  Jenna: So join me, jenna Zint Habit Coach, teacher and follower of Jesus, as we go after little bits of better by building offensively small habits that create big impact.
• 1:23
  Jenna: This is the Habit Lab Podcast.
• 1:25
  Jenna: So you did enjoy my masterclass.
• 1:34
  Jenna: Okay, no, maybe we can be friends.
• 1:36
  Jenna: Yeah, yeah, we can still be friends, but I actually do have something for you.
• 1:40
  Jenna: So I was trying to design a product.
• 1:42
  Jenna: I'm like okay, if people don't want to do the 10 week deep dive into actually reconstructing these seven areas of their habits, what can I offer them?
• 1:50
  Jenna: That's smaller and shorter.
• 1:51
  Jenna: So I am working on a three module course.
• 1:56
  Jenna: It's going to be I'm going to release it and it's going to be a do at your own pace.
• 1:59
  Jenna: There's going to be downloads, all the things, but then I'm actually going to do a live component for the launch where, if you buy it by a certain day, I'll do a two or three day workshop to actually give you some accountability, cause I know if you're like me and you buy the course, you actually want someone to remember or remind you to do the work, not just to buy the course.
• 2:19
  Jenna: So I'm going to add that little bit of a live component for Q&A and to like kind of troubleshoot with you as you do it.
• 2:24
  Jenna: But what it is is it's going to be a habit reboot, so it's not a deep dive into all these areas of your habit.
• 2:31
  Jenna: It's actually like, hey, I want to help you navigate any season that you're in with more ease.
• 2:37
  Jenna: It will guide you to building practical templates for your day, week and month so that you can actually reduce overwhelm.
• 2:45
  Jenna: I think the difference, I would say, is it's actually kind of reviving rhythms that you've already had, versus my masterclass, which is so much bigger and fuller, is creating new ones, revamping, taking them apart, figuring out where to even start, where this is like we're actually not going to start a ton of new, but a lot of people are organized or have things like I used to do this but I've lost it.
• 3:07
  Jenna: So I'm going to give you like a three quick small workshop to just reboot your habits.
• 3:12
  Jenna: I will give you a chance.
• 3:14
  Jenna: One of the exercises is to add one or two new habits, but actually the goal is to organize and kind of invest a little bit of intentionality so that you're actually hitting the marks of things you've already had up and running by refocusing that would be my main thing is like refocusing to establish rhythms that work for you, creating a clear plan and then again, like I said I'm going to do, I'm giving you worksheets and then we'll also do a live class component to give you some accountability of a timeline to actually make you do the thing you bought.
• 3:44
  Jenna: So if that sounds interesting, stay tuned, I'll give you more information.
• 3:48
  Jenna: I'm probably like a week or two out from finishing it.
• 3:51
  Jenna: Just wanted to keep you in the loop because you're my friends.
• 3:53
  Jenna: Before we jump into the meat of it, I just wanted to announce my winner.
• 3:58
  Jenna: My podcast is actually officially a year old, if you're listening to this, which is really exciting for me, and I asked if you guys to celebrate.
• 4:08
  Jenna: I did a giveaway where if you shared a podcast, you got entered into potentially to win the prize of one free coaching session, and I just want to announce the winner.
• 4:18
  Jenna: Well, thank you for sharing.
• 4:20
  Jenna: Honestly, I've been about the same downloads for at least nine months and since you guys have shared this week, it's instantly seen a little spike in my getting into new people's phone inbox.
• 4:33
  Jenna: So I just appreciate it because it is helpful to be like oh yeah, if you liked it, share it.
• 4:37
  Jenna: That being said, I cannot say your name.
• 4:41
  Jenna: I'm so sorry.
• 4:42
  Jenna: Your handle is motherhood young and I am going to DM you as soon as I stop recording this and you will know that you were the winner.
• 4:50
  Jenna: So congratulations.
• 4:51
  Jenna: You shared the most too, so I'm not surprised that you were the one who won.
• 4:56
  Jenna: It's amazing how odds work out like that.
• 4:59
  Jenna: But all that to say thank you for everyone who shared and I'll be contacting you so you can claim your prize.
• 5:05
  Jenna: Welcome to the Habit Lab.
• 5:06
  Jenna: I am Jenna Zint, life coach.
• 5:09
  Jenna: I love coaching people through redesigning their habits to get different results.
• 5:14
  Jenna: So if you have pain points in your life where you're not enjoying your current results, book a session with me.
• 5:20
  Jenna: We'll look at your habits and we'll make tweaks and make a plan how you can start really small so that you find longevity, and then what it looks like to upgrade and the phases of growth.
• 5:31
  Jenna: I love working that with people.
• 5:32
  Jenna: The other thing I love working out is really just emotional health things, relationship.
• 5:38
  Jenna: I've done quite.
• 5:39
  Jenna: I just was on another podcast, a three-part series on boundaries.
• 5:44
  Jenna: I'll put that in the show notes and I've been working with a lot of people who are like okay, I get the concept, but can you actually walk me through the logistics of what a boundary to protect connection in this specific relationship would be?
• 5:57
  Jenna: So if that's you and you would just want help actually making a plan, I think that's the application.
• 6:04
  Jenna: What do I say?
• 6:05
  Jenna: And then, of course, like I don't just give you my words, I talk with, like what your goal is and what's the current dynamic.
• 6:10
  Jenna: So if any of that sounds like you could use some help, insight, guidance, I'd love to do a session with you the link to my calendar is in the show notes and see what works with your schedule.
• 6:21
  Jenna: Let's chat, have your people got my people or just click the link.
• 6:26
  Jenna: Okay, anyways, this episode is one I've actually been thinking about for a while.
• 6:31
  Jenna: So, as you know, I think I've talked about it a little bit this past year.
• 6:40
  Jenna: I have been reading this book called Imagine Heaven and it's a pastor took a bunch of near-death experiences and kind of unpacked.
• 6:45
  Jenna: It's less about the experience of like this is what it's going to happen to get to heaven, but for me it's just actually really shift my perspective to be eternity minded, and what I mean is because that feels like such.
• 7:00
  Jenna: I feel like I hear pastors preach that all the time.
• 7:02
  Jenna: But I got this book to read with my daughter slowly and there were some parts I had to not read because I'll put that in the.
• 7:09
  Jenna: I'll put the link to the book in my show notes as well.
• 7:12
  Jenna: It's called Imagine Heaven, but what it did is reading it slowly over the course of a few months.
• 7:17
  Jenna: It made me start remembering that how short this life is and how much of it is in preparation for us becoming more Christ, like being in process, so that when we show up and we enter eternity, that's actually part of the timeline too.
• 7:39
  Jenna: And I think that is what was different for me is that, as I was listening to people's experiences and then honestly being overwhelmed, one of the things that really shaped me in this book and I've actually picked up a couple books since then and I've gifted a bunch because it was just really, really, really, really really shifted my perspective in my walk this year to consider eternity.
• 8:01
  Jenna: Because we are moms, we are in a busy I mean you might not be a mom, I'm a mom.
• 8:06
  Jenna: Whether you're a mom or not, I bet your life is fast and full, fast paced and full, and what can happen is our worlds get really small, really easy.
• 8:16
  Jenna: And I think what I noticed one of the reasons I purposely do my quiet time as often as I can outside of my house you probably heard me say it before but like getting out of my realm of responsibility, it reminds me how my life is, one of the notes in this like symphony that God is orchestrating in the earth and it kind of just takes me out of self-pity.
• 8:36
  Jenna: It refocuses me to how big he is and how, like small my problems are.
• 8:41
  Jenna: So in doing that, like in really meditating on eternity, it's kind of been a similar shift for me to get out of.
• 8:50
  Jenna: The pain I'm facing is temporary and I would say pain.
• 8:55
  Jenna: Sometimes when we say pain, people think it could be physical, it could be whatever is a current hardship.
• 9:01
  Jenna: It could be me navigating diabetes with Audrey, it could be our finances being tight, it could be, you know, being in a misunderstood in a friendship, like actually.
• 9:14
  Jenna: I just kind of think that pain is just an emotional reaction and anyways, not in a good or bad.
• 9:20
  Jenna: That's just kind of how I define pain, where I think sometimes people are like whoa pain, I'm like no, no, no, it's just having an emotion you know.
• 9:27
  Jenna: So just reading this book about eternity has really shifted my perspective to thinking about considering eternity and part of is going to be a large part of the redemptive story that the Lord is doing in my life.
• 9:40
  Jenna: So that's almost like feeling like, oh, for most of my Christian walk I thought of my time on earth being chapter one through 10.
• 9:48
  Jenna: And then, kind of eternity was this.
• 9:50
  Jenna: Uh, what's it called?
• 9:52
  Jenna: Not a forward, but like the postscript chapter, like a bonus chapter.
• 9:56
  Jenna: That's kind of teasing the next book.
• 9:59
  Jenna: I don't know if you guys have ever read any series that do that.
• 10:01
  Jenna: So then, to continue with that analogy, what this book has done about thinking about near-death experiences and hearing about eternity, so much has shifted.
• 10:10
  Jenna: I'm like, actually I think this life is like chapter one through three and then chapter four through 4,000 is actually eternity, and what that has done for me is actually made me consider.
• 10:24
  Jenna: I don't know if you, I think I told you guys that I'm like reading, like memorizing.
• 10:29
  Jenna: I have a little group of friends that we're memorizing scripture with and I actually shouldn't call it memorizing.
• 10:33
  Jenna: We have a scripture club.
• 10:34
  Jenna: They might be memorizing it, I'm daily meditating on it and they different concepts and they really helped.
• 10:41
  Jenna: Like I've seen fruit from the habit but I have not actually been memorizing it.
• 10:44
  Jenna: So that would just be an example of what my original goal was for the habit and then redefining what success looked like.
• 10:49
  Jenna: But the cool part is if I can break up with shame that scripture habit has actually produced a ton of fruit, because I've been thinking of these concepts, even if I haven't verbatim be able to quote them.
• 10:59
  Jenna: So that was like a pivot I had to make.
• 11:01
  Jenna: But what I was going to say in doing this little memory or scripture challenge is so many of them include promises of, like him being victorious or, above all, you know, whatever, just these promises.
• 11:13
  Jenna: And I think a lot of us I know I'm not alone in this have experienced parts where we're holding on to promises but we're like it's been a while and it hasn't come to pass.
• 11:28
  Jenna: And sometimes it could make us start questioning like okay, I haven't seen breakthrough, I haven't seen movement in this area.
• 11:32
  Jenna: Like, but you do, you do answer all your promises.
• 11:34
  Jenna: So, with that in mind, at the same, like that tension of memorizing you know all these scriptures with all these promises that I'm like, have I seen breakthrough here?
• 11:42
  Jenna: Then considering eternity.
• 11:44
  Jenna: It's actually made me realize how a lot of the promises like now we're reading the New Testament slowly this year as well have a lot of when they talk about hope.
• 11:57
  Jenna: So like when I think about my hope in those promises or my hoping in Jesus, I had found myself looking at those areas of my life that I'm waiting for breakthrough, or waiting for the promises that I'm memorizing to come to pass or to see evidence of breakthrough or evidence of overcoming or yeah, and I just realized that I was looking for somewhere to hang my hope when I was saying these promises so that I could believe them.
• 12:26
  Jenna: And now, coupling that with when we're reading the New Testament, slowly realizing that so much of like when the writers talk about hope, they're actually always linking it to our hope being in Jesus and that sounds like yeah, duh.
• 12:42
  Jenna: But for me the difference was like, oh, I actually really, really really have any time, any of these pain things that haven't like shifted or I haven't experienced the breakthrough or answered prayers to this, that or the other.
• 12:53
  Jenna: It was starting to almost like diminish my hope, if you will, because I wasn't seeing results.
• 12:59
  Jenna: But then what I've been grappling with this year is actually my hope is not in results.
• 13:05
  Jenna: My hope is actually like nothing could shift for my whole life and I would still be having like my hope, like knowing my hope will not be dismayed, like it will come to pass.
• 13:17
  Jenna: Like how could you hold those two things in tension?
• 13:20
  Jenna: And the key piece for me is remembering that eternity is part of where some of those promises or breakthroughs or prayers that I've been contending for, like whether or not they happen on this side of eternity or the next, the reason I can go after those promises I'm preaching to myself in the corner of my room right now, you guys, my hand's literally flying, but I'm like the reason I can go after those promises with full of confidence and quote unquote full of faith.
• 13:47
  Jenna: There is a faith element to believing those promises is that, whether it happens on this side of eternity or next, I know that it's guaranteed to have all of those areas of injustice or that haven't had redemption or haven't experienced healing or freedom or breakthrough.
• 14:03
  Jenna: They will absolutely all.
• 14:05
  Jenna: I'll experience everything in eternity.
• 14:07
  Jenna: So maybe I do think the Lord obviously answers prayers on this side and gives us breakthrough and healings, and there's miraculous intervention for sure.
• 14:17
  Jenna: But I think the remembering that eternity is part of our story has actually really helped me be able to protect my hope, as I've let go of my timeline for what?
• 14:30
  Jenna: My timeline, or my need for there to be my hope, is in the outcome, the change, seeing evidence of it, and like, actually no, my hope is that Jesus said when he went to Calvary he got the keys and he's waiting for me to join him, but like that's been finished.
• 14:48
  Jenna: So my hope, regardless of these, if I see evidence of my circumstance changing, my husband shifting that, getting healing, my daughter getting delivered from diabetes, I actually can still be full, like protect my hope and be full of faith because I'm like, oh, my faith is in Jesus and I know he won.
• 15:06
  Jenna: So, whether I experience his winning and I was going to say these 85 years, I don't know how old I'm going to be so let's be honest, this side of eternity or the other side, like, I will absolutely experience the fullness of what he paid for.
• 15:20
  Jenna: So me actually letting go of needing my hope to be attached to an outcome, needing my hope to look, to manifest like I imagine it to look, or I want it to look, or even, yeah, like being okay, that my hope and my answer might be met on that side of eternity.
• 15:40
  Jenna: That has actually decreased some of the tension of like how can I be full of hope but not see these things shift, that I've been contending for years and years and fasted and prayed and all the things and be like, oh, actually it's not my timeline and what if?
• 15:54
  Jenna: Can I be okay if those things that I'm praying for, if they absolutely do, get redeemed, but on that side of eternity?
• 16:01
  Jenna: So some of the things that have helped me I'm calling this episode Habits of Hope to actually guard that hope and remember it's not outcome based, it is, let's see.
• 16:14
  Jenna: Oh, I'm finding I'm on the end of the spectrum of feeling like I'm entitled to God to answer my prayers with my preferred outcomes.
• 16:21
  Jenna: That was kind of has been my epiphany versus like leaning more towards.
• 16:25
  Jenna: Actually, can I hold what I define as hope, can I untangle it from being outcome-based and can I actually have more faith in his sovereignty for how that hope's going to manifest than me dictating to him how I need breakthrough to look, or the process or what will count for my prayers to be answered?
• 16:47
  Jenna: So that has just been this journey of me kind of feeling more settled and less stress about timeline and being more like almost rooted in, like full of faith of his sovereignty, of like 100%.
• 18:49
  Jenna: All these promises we will experience, but there's going to be a chunk of them that I'm going to experience on that side of eternity.
• 18:56
  Jenna: Can I be okay?
• 18:57
  Jenna: Can I absolutely be assured I'm going to experience justice, for all the injustice I'm going to walk through?
• 19:03
  Jenna: Some of it will be on this side and some of it will be on that side, and that has actually just dramatically shifted.
• 19:10
  Jenna: Like, oh, I can actually be okay.
• 19:11
  Jenna: And then, honestly, me repenting to the Lord for realizing, like I didn't think I was one of those Christians who was, like, treated you like a vending machine, my prayers would hit the right buttons and I'd get what I wanted.
• 19:22
  Jenna: But realizing like, oh, I actually did kind of approach that for, like, I would start full of hope but if I didn't hit the button and get what I wanted, my hope would, my like, levels of hope would diminish.
• 19:37
  Jenna: So this is really these are a couple habits that I have gone after for reminding myself that my hope is in him and that he literally already solved it and said that he was, you know, like when he died and took the keys to the kingdom back.
• 19:54
  Jenna: It's done Like I don't have to be almost full of faith on some level.
• 19:58
  Jenna: The full of faith is seeing the redemption for the things I need redemption for right now could come now or on that side, you know.
• 20:05
  Jenna: So that has been a really big shift for me.
• 20:07
  Jenna: I'm going to link a song.
• 20:08
  Jenna: There's a song by Maverick City music that really has, like, helped me recalibrate and redefine my relationship with hope and have it be his character, solidly rooted in his character and not outcome based.
• 20:25
  Jenna: So that was one.
• 20:28
  Jenna: It's called Fear Is Not my Future.
• 20:30
  Jenna: You are.
• 20:30
  Jenna: And I'm going to link it because there's this one edit or edition, I don't know version of the song where there's a guest speaker.
• 20:39
  Jenna: He's like a famous gospel man.
• 20:41
  Jenna: I can't remember his name right now, but he talks about like the problem with Christians today is they don't have the faith that eternity is real.
• 20:48
  Jenna: So the pain you're facing is temporary, but there will absolutely be a future where you experience the wholeness and the healing of your body, if you can remember that you're in.
• 20:57
  Jenna: You know the first chapter.
• 20:58
  Jenna: This is what does he say?
• 21:00
  Jenna: This is the appetizer to the main course.
• 21:02
  Jenna: It's so wonderful and it works me up every time and I I listened to it often at the end of my run, as I go back home after I've prayed, just recalibrating like, hey, all of that I'm presenting to you for Lord, like I actually trust your sovereignty for your timeline.
• 21:18
  Jenna: I trust your sovereignty that you're working all things together for my good, but you actually know what that means and how that's going to play out more than I can.
• 21:24
  Jenna: So I can like submit some ideas of how for my good might look, but I actually would rather you dictate that, because you have a much clearer perspective and you're way smarter than I am.
• 21:35
  Jenna: So that's one of my habits, I hope, is listening to that song and actually keeping eternity minded, also reading this book, which I'll link in the show notes.
• 21:43
  Jenna: I highly recommend it and it just overwhelms me with a remembrance and a perspective of Jesus and being full of love.
• 21:53
  Jenna: Gosh, the book's so good, so that's been a side fruit to also reminding me where my hope is.
• 22:00
  Jenna: Actually.
• 22:01
  Jenna: Having such tangible, constant visual images in my head of what eternity looks like has helped me keep my definition of my hope being well planted in him.
• 22:16
  Jenna: Long-term, not outcome-based, it's like, oh yeah, that's where my hope is anchored and that's unchanging.
• 22:22
  Jenna: So my circumstance might change, might.
• 22:25
  Jenna: Whatever, it does not actually affect my levels of hope because it's anchored in eternity.
• 22:30
  Jenna: Then the other thing that I was going to say is there's actually this little video I love Upper Room and they'll put some shorts out and there's one song that is like hope is I should not sing.
• 22:43
  Jenna: I just realized that You're welcome for self-editing right there.
• 22:47
  Jenna: My children ask me to not sing all the time, so for real it's.
• 22:52
  Jenna: But that's just like hope is rising when we see you smiling and I just love the remembrance that my hope like that.
• 23:00
  Jenna: It just perfectly pictures my hope is not actually an outcome.
• 23:03
  Jenna: My hope is not in you fighting my battles.
• 23:05
  Jenna: My hope is simply in Jesus and I think when we see you smiling, like my hope is rising when I see you smiling, I think that to me reminds me that, like his intentions, he's a good dad, he's for me and he's actually got this.
• 23:20
  Jenna: So the idea of, like my hope being rooted in how he feels about me and his plans for me and his thoughts for me, because actually he wants Jesus to get the full fullness of the inheritance he paid for and my little life is one of six billionth of a portion of that, so isn't he going to be more rooted in me and my story than I am?
• 23:44
  Jenna: That helps me.
• 23:46
  Jenna: So those are the three things that I've really been going after that have helped me kind of have unwavering levels of hope, because I've untangled them from being situationally based and I've re-anchored them in Jesus, who is actually seated and remembering to I don't know what's the word calculate or consider that eternity is part of my redemption story.
• 24:09
  Jenna: So what I'm experiencing now is not the fullness chapter one through three, but four through 4,000 is for sure going to experience all the breakthrough, all the answered prayers, all the justice, all the healing.
• 24:21
  Jenna: Oh, I feel teary that I've been waiting for, and it's been so helpful when things have been painful, um, to re remember that that's actually the better working definition of hope than the like kind of more immature version that I had, like where, like whenever I'd ask, like if I'd be praying for something longterm and hadn't seen the breakthrough, I'm like, where is my hope?
• 24:42
  Jenna: I'm like, what a?
• 24:43
  Jenna: That actually just shows that I don't get the concept of hope that I'm, I'm looking for.
• 24:48
  Jenna: Where's the proof, where's the evidence?
• 24:51
  Jenna: You are who you say you are.
• 24:53
  Jenna: That is different.
• 24:54
  Jenna: And also instantly, as you say that, you realize like, oh yeah, faith doesn't actually require evidence.
• 25:01
  Jenna: Being full of faith does not mean you get the proof all the time.
• 25:05
  Jenna: But more rightly saying that than where is my hope?
• 25:06
  Jenna: Like, oh, my hope is always.
• 25:06
  Jenna: I think of it like a grappling hook going to be in eternity with Jesus who is my hope.
• 25:08
  Jenna: Like, oh, my hope is always, I think of it like a grappling hook going to be in eternity with Jesus, who is set and it's finished.
• 25:16
  Jenna: The circumstances or the waves I'm facing might go up or down, but like my hope is anchored in him.
• 25:21
  Jenna: So where is my hope?
• 25:23
  Jenna: I just need to look up again.
• 25:24
  Jenna: If I need some grace for the up and down waves that I'm experiencing, no problem.
• 25:28
  Jenna: But kind of, um, correctly identifying and distinguishing between the two has been like really helpful, because then I can like go back to like his character, if my hopes in him.
• 25:38
  Jenna: What is this character?
• 25:40
  Jenna: What do I know to be true, and get settled and experience peace in that, versus looking for evidence or faith proof that I'm going to, there's going to be an end to this pain I'm experiencing.
• 25:52
  Jenna: And then one last thing.
• 25:54
  Jenna: I actually think that I've talked a lot about pain, but I would actually say I think you could also call it suffering, and I think that has been a big journey for me.
• 26:06
  Jenna: I read this last year no, probably like a year and a half ago.
• 26:11
  Jenna: I read a book by Elizabeth Eliot called Suffering is Never for Nothing and that shifted my paradigm about how we are meant to live victorious.
• 26:21
  Jenna: But when we like that scripture, like you know, like we're more than conquerors, what I was reading it, I think, last week in context, and it was like that we can experience joy even in the suffering, and I was like, oh, I have taken that verse out of context my whole life, where I thought it meant all the dragons that face me are going to get slayed, but actually that in the suffering, not to be surprised or discouraged by suffering or feeling like we're out of his graces, that we're experiencing suffering.
• 26:51
  Jenna: So I'd say that's kind of been as I've redefined and don't feel self-pity or discouraged by suffering, aka pain, aka emotions, whatever you want to call it, as much anymore.
• 27:05
  Jenna: That has actually helped me with this hope, like guarding my hope as well.
• 27:09
  Jenna: I love.
• 27:11
  Jenna: There was a podcast by Michael Koulianos about man.
• 27:17
  Jenna: I don't know that I could find it anymore.
• 27:19
  Jenna: I listened to the Jesus Image podcast sometime but he was saying he was like kind of laughing, our Western mindset, where we're like, ouch, why is our life so painful?
• 27:27
  Jenna: God's supposed to be good.
• 27:29
  Jenna: He's one of those ones that, like it hurts so good to listen to.
• 27:32
  Jenna: Anyways, and he was like you guys, why are you surprised when you experience suffering, which is kind of what Elizabeth Elliot says too, but hers is not sad, it's more like hey, it could be light.
• 27:44
  Jenna: So that was why I found her book so full of hope, actually when it's about suffering.
• 27:49
  Jenna: But Michael was like why are you surprised when there's pain in your life?
• 27:52
  Jenna: When there's, you know, suffering?
• 27:53
  Jenna: He was like the symbol of our religion is a cross, it is a.
• 27:59
  Jenna: It's not a flower, it's not a beach with an umbrella.
• 28:04
  Jenna: Like the symbol is the cross in the nature, in the very foundation fabric.
• 28:12
  Jenna: The religion that we say we're a part of is suffering.
• 28:16
  Jenna: That is the symbol that represents the whole thing.
• 28:20
  Jenna: Yeah, we're surprised when we experience suffering, or we think maybe he's not good or where is his faithfulness, and I'm like, oh, that's so true.
• 28:26
  Jenna: If Jesus lived like he did a perfect life and still experienced suffering.
• 28:30
  Jenna: So true, if Jesus lived like he did a perfect life and still experienced suffering, why am I offended or I don't know like surprised when I experienced pain or suffering in my own life?
• 28:37
  Jenna: So that helped me to also not let pain and suffering diminish or taint or be able to have access to my hope, so kind of separating the two.
• 28:48
  Jenna: And then I would really recommend Elizabeth Elliott's book.
• 28:50
  Jenna: Suffering is Never for Nothing If you're facing a hard thing that hasn't changed, or if you are, if you deal with some self-pity at all.
• 28:59
  Jenna: It is just a good perspective shift that was so helpful.
• 29:03
  Jenna: So there you go.
• 29:04
  Jenna: I hope this helps you guard your hope and you find some habits of hope.
• 29:08
  Jenna: I'll link everything I mentioned in the show notes Book a coaching session with me.
• 29:13
  Jenna: My calendar is in the show notes as well.
• 29:15
  Jenna: I'd love to work with you.