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Building A Cinematography Career Through Connections · Studio B Sessions

• 0:04
  Vipul Bindra: Welcome to another episode of Studio B Sessions with me, Bindra.
• 0:08
  Vipul Bindra: Here on this podcast, we essentially talk to people in the film industry.
• 0:12
  Vipul Bindra: These are raw and edited conversations, you know, ideally poorly for entertainment.
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  Vipul Bindra: I'm sure somewhere in the middle of two hours we'll drop some golden nuggets.
• 0:20
  Vipul Bindra: But the idea is to just have fun, talk to other people in the industry, and you know, learn something or just have fun.
• 0:25
  Vipul Bindra: And today I've got an incredible guest, a really good friend of mine, and an incredibly talented DP, Guga.
• 0:32
  Vipul Bindra: Welcome.
• 0:32
  Vipul Bindra: Thank you.
• 0:33
  Guga Carvalho: Thank you for having me, man.
• 0:34
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, we're having a Brazil, what do you call a series?
• 0:37
  Vipul Bindra: So we had Lewis last week.
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  Vipul Bindra: Now we have you.
• 0:39
  Vipul Bindra: So it's gonna be all Brazilians.
• 0:41
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah.
• 0:41
  Vipul Bindra: But how have you been, man?
• 0:42
  Vipul Bindra: Exciting.
• 0:43
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, great.
• 0:44
  Guga Carvalho: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 0:44
  Guga Carvalho: I'm trying to keep busy, you know.
• 0:46
  Guga Carvalho: I feel like uh uh I was trying to avoid this moment here for a long time.
• 0:53
  Vipul Bindra: Even though we've had these conversations how many times now?
• 0:56
  Vipul Bindra: I feel like every time we see each other we're talking for you know a long time.
• 0:59
  Vipul Bindra: I'm saying, which is the same thing, right?
• 1:01
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, what makes you nervous?
• 1:03
  Guga Carvalho: Camera.
• 1:04
  Vipul Bindra: Oh, yeah.
• 1:04
  Vipul Bindra: Oh, for somebody who operates a camera, you know.
• 1:07
  Guga Carvalho: Exactly.
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  Guga Carvalho: And the the most like interesting thing is I'm I'm kind of used to being in front of the camera uh since on my 14, 15 years old.
• 1:21
  Guga Carvalho: So, but uh I kind of lost it because I had like a gap without making videos from for for YouTube and and stuff.
• 1:31
  Guga Carvalho: No, I totally get that.
• 1:33
  Vipul Bindra: I've actually said this before in the podcast.
• 1:34
  Vipul Bindra: I used to be on camera and on TV and stuff like that, and I was very comfortable with it, but you know, and then for a long time I was just behind the scenes, you know, DP and directing.
• 1:43
  Vipul Bindra: So finally, when I started this YouTube thing, it was not easy because even though I did it, you know, you kind of lose that thing.
• 1:50
  Vipul Bindra: So it took a while to kind of get comfortable being in front of the camera.
• 1:53
  Vipul Bindra: So I totally get that.
• 1:54
  Guga Carvalho: And especially for me, English is not my first language.
• 1:57
  Vipul Bindra: So you say that, but you know, if we put Bruno there, I mean your English is yeah, yeah, but like yeah, I know, I know.
• 2:06
  Guga Carvalho: I I I'm kind of like hard on myself, but you're a perfectionist, you're that type of DP.
• 2:11
  Guga Carvalho: Yeah, yeah.
• 2:13
  Vipul Bindra: Like my English has to be perfect for me to do a podcast.
• 2:15
  Vipul Bindra: So, man, I really appreciate you coming because I do feel like you have a lot to add and a lot people can learn from.
• 2:20
  Vipul Bindra: Because here's the thing you you're saying all these things, you're not comfortable on camera, you're not good with English.
• 2:24
  Vipul Bindra: But the thing is, you're working professional here, and how Lewis said you were able to even mentor him and things like that.
• 2:30
  Vipul Bindra: So you're definitely doing some great stuff.
• 2:32
  Vipul Bindra: And uh, I think, like I said, people can just learn from it or just you know, I'm sure we have funny stories we can talk about.
• 2:38
  Vipul Bindra: A lot of stuff I'm saying that a lot of other filmmakers would get value out of it, which is the whole point here.
• 2:43
  Vipul Bindra: We're not like trying to sell anything or anything like that.
• 2:45
  Vipul Bindra: This is very nonchalant, anyway.
• 2:47
  Vipul Bindra: I don't even edit them, they literally go live, you know what I mean?
• 2:50
  Vipul Bindra: Just got the the the beginning, yeah, exactly, and then they go live every Thursday at a.m.
• 2:54
  Vipul Bindra: It's easy, easy, you know.
• 2:55
  Vipul Bindra: And it's easy because again, I'm a working professional, like you.
• 2:58
  Vipul Bindra: We don't have time to edit and stuff.
• 3:00
  Vipul Bindra: And plus, I find, and and again, I'm building what I want to listen to.
• 3:03
  Vipul Bindra: I go on these long drives like to Miami and Atlanta and stuff like that.
• 3:07
  Vipul Bindra: And it's just I'd rather listen to conversations from friends and on other people in the industry than yeah, just you know, random topics that I don't care about.
• 3:15
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, it's just so much better.
• 3:16
  Vipul Bindra: And then that was, and like I said, a lot of time it's just fun stuff, but sometimes I've had people say things that I'm like, wow, I wouldn't have thought of it.
• 3:23
  Vipul Bindra: And then I'm saying that makes you a better field.
• 3:25
  Guga Carvalho: Yeah, it's it's the best way to learn something from a person that you maybe don't have like connection to it.
• 3:32
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, exactly.
• 3:33
  Vipul Bindra: Like, for example, just how we met.
• 3:35
  Vipul Bindra: I think that show is incredible.
• 3:36
  Vipul Bindra: It was because I knew Emmanuel, who knew Fernando, yeah, who somehow recommended me to you, because I just remember getting a message from you, and and then like I said, I didn't know you.
• 3:45
  Vipul Bindra: And uh, and because uh, you know, like I said, I knew Fernando, yeah, uh, and he was like, hey, we're gonna do this thing, and he even rode with me, and it was so pretty cool.
• 3:52
  Vipul Bindra: Like I said, talk about that project because you didn't know me.
• 3:54
  Vipul Bindra: I showed up once said, having never met you in person.
• 3:58
  Guga Carvalho: I actually knew you, yeah.
• 3:59
  Vipul Bindra: Had we worked together?
• 4:00
  Vipul Bindra: No, we indirectly over here.
• 4:03
  Guga Carvalho: Yeah, but uh, I think was a random day that me and Fernando we uh I think we we shot something for uh like dance related.
• 4:16
  Guga Carvalho: Okay, and we need um a something, it's not a light.
• 4:24
  Guga Carvalho: I I don't know, it's something, it was something, uh, but I don't remember uh what is, but uh it must have been a long time ago, yeah.
• 4:31
  Guga Carvalho: Yeah, I think it was like uh uh 300 C or something.
• 4:34
  Guga Carvalho: And then he said, Oh, uh let me let me get this uh with my friend and blah blah blah blah blah.
• 4:41
  Guga Carvalho: You show up.
• 4:42
  Guga Carvalho: I think you used to live in uh in an apartment or something, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 4:48
  Guga Carvalho: It was there, okay.
• 4:49
  Guga Carvalho: And then yeah.
• 4:50
  Vipul Bindra: Wow, that was a long time ago.
• 4:52
  Vipul Bindra: That's crazy.
• 4:52
  Vipul Bindra: So we had met and I don't remember, my bad.
• 4:55
  Vipul Bindra: But but uh yeah, Fernando, like I was talking about, like I don't rent that much, but to friends, I'm you know available, so I think he must have rented stuff from me.
• 5:01
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, so that's what I'm saying.
• 5:02
  Vipul Bindra: I knew Fernando, and uh so I so you knew me, okay.
• 5:06
  Vipul Bindra: I didn't know you, so that's crazy, or I guess I didn't remember, but that's so uh crazy for me.
• 5:10
  Vipul Bindra: Uh but I was really excited because once he told me about the project and you told me, and I was like, oh, this sounds really cool because it's like a perfume commercial, but on a psychwall, which doesn't happen nowadays that often, right?
• 5:20
  Guga Carvalho: It was it was a little bit crazy, exactly.
• 5:23
  Vipul Bindra: No, oh tell me about the because I see I thought this was a huge production because you're like there's gonna be pre-light day, there's gonna be light day, which is a sign of a decent sized production.
• 5:32
  Vipul Bindra: But when I showed up, I'm like, I was like, it's this very unorganized, but I real now I know the Brazilian way.
• 5:37
  Vipul Bindra: Now I know, but okay, at that point I didn't know I'm like, uh because they were like they had a camera, but they didn't have a base plate, then they have lens, they didn't have tripods, we ended up using my cameras or whatever.
• 5:46
  Vipul Bindra: But that only happened because I was lazy.
• 5:48
  Vipul Bindra: I genuinely, you know, so the way it works is you know, like I say, you can book me and then my van, uh, you know, which is just GE, or you can have the camera card or both together.
• 5:56
  Vipul Bindra: What I'm saying is you book G and E.
• 5:58
  Vipul Bindra: That's what you hired me to do.
• 5:59
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, so I normally would take the camera card out, but I was just lazy.
• 6:02
  Vipul Bindra: I was like, you know what, I'll just bring it.
• 6:03
  Vipul Bindra: We don't need it, but whatever.
• 6:05
  Vipul Bindra: And and and I'm so glad I didn't because uh because we used my production monitor, we used my cameras, lenses.
• 6:12
  Guga Carvalho: I wasn't expected at all like using your stuff, your camera at least.
• 6:17
  Vipul Bindra: No, but I'm saying I can't imagine if I didn't bring it, what would you have done?
• 6:19
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, because they were supposed to bring the FX6, but they didn't have like certain accessories.
• 6:24
  Vipul Bindra: So what if something was missing?
• 6:25
  Guga Carvalho: Something happened with the flights uh from uh from Sao Paulo or something like that.
• 6:31
  Guga Carvalho: I don't know, but uh I remember uh an issue with the monitors and also like the SD cards, yeah.
• 6:42
  Vipul Bindra: Use my cards too.
• 6:43
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, it was but again I didn't mind because like I said, it was there, but I was just like thinking, I was like, if I didn't bring this, and I most of the time wouldn't have, uh it would have been crazy, yeah.
• 6:52
  Vipul Bindra: But but I'm glad I did, obviously, but great.
• 6:54
  Vipul Bindra: So uh, but it was a fun project, man.
• 6:56
  Vipul Bindra: That was uh was that like a a normal project for you, or was that a big project for you?
• 6:59
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, because I mean it was a decent sized project.
• 7:02
  Guga Carvalho: It was actually, I think, was my first big yeah, project that I that I uh DP in.
• 7:09
  Guga Carvalho: Um especially and it was the first one um being related to perfume and that kind of style, yeah.
• 7:24
  Vipul Bindra: You know, psycho, very high key, you know, very beauty, beauty.
• 7:28
  Guga Carvalho: I had to like search a lot about it, about psycho, how to how to build a psycho.
• 7:34
  Guga Carvalho: What is a psycho?
• 7:36
  Vipul Bindra: No, yeah, but you did great though.
• 7:37
  Vipul Bindra: That that set was amazing.
• 7:39
  Vipul Bindra: I had such a great time and uh the talent, and also you were working celebrity talent in because she's famous, right?
• 7:45
  Vipul Bindra: She was Miss Paraguay or something.
• 7:46
  Vipul Bindra: She's Miss Paraguay, and then her husband is a very famous artist.
• 7:49
  Vipul Bindra: What's his name again?
• 7:50
  Guga Carvalho: Uh uh Oh my god, huh?
• 7:54
  Vipul Bindra: Mark Anthony.
• 7:55
  Guga Carvalho: Yeah, Mark Anthony.
• 7:56
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, we're getting offset help, but yeah, Mark Anthony.
• 7:58
  Vipul Bindra: So what I'm saying is like their celebrity client, because he was there too, and I believe he's a very famous singer, right?
• 8:02
  Vipul Bindra: So we had like celebrity clients, so you're managing their teams, you're managing your agency, and then managing the crew.
• 8:08
  Vipul Bindra: So it must have been a lot until because you weren't DP, but you were also kind of a producer, you know, managing everything, yeah.
• 8:14
  Vipul Bindra: Because the local guy, right?
• 8:16
  Guga Carvalho: Yeah, I was the the local point for for them here.
• 8:19
  Guga Carvalho: So it was crazy.
• 8:21
  Vipul Bindra: So how'd you get that?
• 8:23
  Guga Carvalho: Um, it was it funny enough, it was uh a friend of mine in Brazil.
• 8:29
  Guga Carvalho: Uh we used to work together in um in film festivals and all.
• 8:34
  Guga Carvalho: Um and then she uh received a message asking for uh recommendations in Miami.
• 8:43
  Guga Carvalho: And she said, Oh, it's not Miami, it's Orlando, but whatever.
• 8:47
  Guga Carvalho: Yeah, yeah, she she sent my stuff.
• 8:51
  Guga Carvalho: Uh her um her other friend sent me uh something about it as well.
• 9:01
  Guga Carvalho: So I was like, Yeah, I wanna do that.
• 9:03
  Guga Carvalho: And then she called me, she said, like, oh um be prepared.
• 9:09
  Guga Carvalho: They they're gonna call you.
• 9:11
  Guga Carvalho: Uh her name is blah blah blah, and then I mean it happened.
• 9:16
  Guga Carvalho: Um yeah, it was out of nowhere.
• 9:19
  Guga Carvalho: I didn't I wasn't expected, and that's why I think uh it's important for us to have like connections all over the place and be.
• 9:28
  Guga Carvalho: Yeah, you never know where you never where the opportunity is coming from.
• 9:32
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, and did that bring other opportunities for you?
• 9:35
  Vipul Bindra: I'm sure it did, right?
• 9:36
  Vipul Bindra: Because it's like a huge commercial.
• 9:37
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, it looked amazing too.
• 9:38
  Vipul Bindra: I saw the post-production on it, they did a good job.
• 9:41
  Guga Carvalho: Yeah, this was in 2024.
• 9:44
  Guga Carvalho: Yeah, a couple of years ago.
• 9:46
  Guga Carvalho: 2024.
• 9:47
  Guga Carvalho: Uh, this year I did I did another one for them.
• 9:52
  Vipul Bindra: Oh, look at that.
• 9:53
  Guga Carvalho: Uh small one, small stuff, but uh it was for from the same uh director, the same um producer.
• 10:01
  Guga Carvalho: So you built that relationship, see that things come back, yeah.
• 10:04
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, and that's what I'm saying.
• 10:05
  Vipul Bindra: You do a good job, man.
• 10:07
  Vipul Bindra: You never know where it leads.
• 10:08
  Vipul Bindra: Like you said, from a friend to a big production to another job.
• 10:12
  Vipul Bindra: It's it's just incredible, right?
• 10:13
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah.
• 10:14
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah so what made you be a D like how tell me your journey a little bit.
• 10:18
  Vipul Bindra: Like, how'd you get to be a DP of all things?
• 10:21
  Guga Carvalho: Oh wow.
• 10:22
  Guga Carvalho: Um I don't know how you you actually came from Brazil, right?
• 10:27
  Vipul Bindra: You're not born in America, right?
• 10:29
  Guga Carvalho: No, no, no.
• 10:29
  Guga Carvalho: I came from Brazil uh as a student or yeah, as a student.
• 10:33
  Vipul Bindra: How long ago was that?
• 10:34
  Guga Carvalho: Back in 2017.
• 10:36
  Guga Carvalho: Oh boss, a long time ago.
• 10:37
  Guga Carvalho: Yeah, it was a long time ago.
• 10:38
  Guga Carvalho: I think it was 10, almost 10 years, nine years or something.
• 10:42
  Guga Carvalho: Um and uh yeah, I I came here for full sale.
• 10:48
  Guga Carvalho: Uh I did my bachelor's there, film, film, film grad and all.
• 10:54
  Guga Carvalho: And it was in full sale that I decide to be a DP just because I feel like I I hate talking to um I hate directing, you know?
• 11:13
  Guga Carvalho: I feel like directing is not my thing.
• 11:16
  Guga Carvalho: Uh it's too much to you have to plan and talk and know like how you wanna send this message through the actor or something like that.
• 11:35
  Guga Carvalho: And it's not it's not my thing.
• 11:37
  Guga Carvalho: My thing is cameras.
• 11:38
  Guga Carvalho: I I I've always been like a uh tech guy and involving with cameras and all uh I've been uh shooting and creating content for YouTube since since forever.
• 11:59
  Guga Carvalho: So that's why I was like, yeah, DP is my thing.
• 12:03
  Guga Carvalho: And then uh some pro uh professors in full sales uh started to put me in positions that normally uh just a like a beginner student will not get.
• 12:18
  Guga Carvalho: I yeah, I I I could I could like direct direct the the photography for them.
• 12:28
  Guga Carvalho: Got it.
• 12:29
  Vipul Bindra: No, that makes sense.
• 12:29
  Vipul Bindra: You know, you want to talk to the camera and the director, not the talent, right?
• 12:32
  Vipul Bindra: That's basically what you enjoy.
• 12:34
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, uh, so how do you go about, and maybe this will help somebody you know listening?
• 12:38
  Vipul Bindra: Like, how do you go about then getting clients?
• 12:40
  Vipul Bindra: Okay, you've decided, you learned the skills, right?
• 12:43
  Vipul Bindra: You know how to operate a camera, you know how to you know make a good image.
• 12:47
  Vipul Bindra: How do you actually go about getting clients?
• 12:48
  Vipul Bindra: Like, how do you find success?
• 12:50
  Guga Carvalho: Connections.
• 12:52
  Vipul Bindra: So, how do you form connections?
• 12:53
  Vipul Bindra: How do you go from full sale to like a working DP?
• 12:55
  Vipul Bindra: How do you build those connections?
• 12:57
  Guga Carvalho: Yeah, that the that's the my move from being here in Orlando to go to LA because I I uh graduate in 2020 in the middle of the pandemic, everything was closed and all, especially here, especially in LA.
• 13:20
  Guga Carvalho: But I was tired of living in in Orlando, so I was like, let me let me move out of here.
• 13:27
  Guga Carvalho: And then I went there uh for for the for like first three months.
• 13:35
  Guga Carvalho: I was like looking for work there.
• 13:38
  Guga Carvalho: And LA can be crazy, yeah, yeah, especially that type that that time frame.
• 13:46
  Guga Carvalho: And uh and then I found uh uh like a Facebook group for productions and then I applied uh I was like, yeah, I'm I'm free, I'm free for uh for doing like um camera stuff.
• 14:04
  Guga Carvalho: I think it was for um first AC or second AC or something.
• 14:08
  Guga Carvalho: And it was for a um USC production.
• 14:15
  Guga Carvalho: I went there, I met the the director, the DP, and all the DP was uh it was like a a high end dp.
• 14:26
  Guga Carvalho: Uh I think his friend was the director or something like that.
• 14:30
  Guga Carvalho: I I don't even remember anymore.
• 14:32
  Guga Carvalho: But uh and then this one got me into the next one.
• 14:38
  Vipul Bindra: And then yeah, it spirals, right?
• 14:40
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 14:41
  Guga Carvalho: Yeah, and that's that's the thing with like LA film shoots.
• 14:47
  Guga Carvalho: They all they all work the same way.
• 14:51
  Guga Carvalho: Like you have to go to the first one and then the the this one uh put into the next and and yeah, and uh and I feel like that's the the only negative side for Orlando shoots.
• 15:08
  Guga Carvalho: They don't they don't do that, yeah.
• 15:10
  Vipul Bindra: No, that's not how Orlando works.
• 15:11
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, uh, I mean it's still similar, as in people work with the people they they want to work with, but it's not like LA.
• 15:17
  Vipul Bindra: But also LA, then you people are willing to work to rock bottom prices, which is not the case in Orlando.
• 15:22
  Vipul Bindra: Not saying our rates are great, but I'm saying it's not a race to the bottom, like I find LA is because there's so much talent, yeah, because there's everyone's talented there, you cannot fight on talent, you know, or gear because gear is also rental, it's cheap there.
• 15:35
  Vipul Bindra: So you have to just work fight on price, and then that's how you lose a battle because you're in an expensive city, not making enough money.
• 15:43
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, it's imbalance, right?
• 15:45
  Vipul Bindra: Unless you're like you said, top.
• 15:46
  Vipul Bindra: That's different.
• 15:47
  Vipul Bindra: Um, so what what made you move out?
• 15:49
  Vipul Bindra: Is that what was it?
• 15:49
  Vipul Bindra: Or what made you move back, I guess, to Orlando from LA?
• 15:53
  Guga Carvalho: Uh my my my like lifestyle, you know, and also my visa because uh when you graduate, you had the uh an ear to work, which is called uh OPT.
• 16:08
  Vipul Bindra: Okay.
• 16:09
  Guga Carvalho: And then after the OPT, you have to or either apply to the to another visa or go back to to your country.
• 16:18
  Guga Carvalho: Okay.
• 16:18
  Guga Carvalho: So you did that.
• 16:19
  Guga Carvalho: So I went, yeah, I finished my OPT, I went to Brazil.
• 16:23
  Guga Carvalho: I went back to Brazil.
• 16:25
  Guga Carvalho: Then uh I was kind of preparing myself to apply for another uh visa, which is the O1 um extraordinary abilities or something like that, uh in order to go back to work and and all.
• 16:45
  Guga Carvalho: And then I uh I was in Brazil, was working with a bunch of stuff, a bunch of random stuff, which was which was crazy and and nice because I kind of developed uh a new skill that I didn't know that I I had uh in me, which was uh filming with iPhones.
• 17:07
  Vipul Bindra: And that's an important skill nowadays, yeah.
• 17:10
  Guga Carvalho: And quick edits as well.
• 17:11
  Guga Carvalho: I did uh I did Rockin' Rio, um Lollapalooza, Brazil, and another a bunch of another like film um music.
• 17:22
  Guga Carvalho: And there I learned a lot about just deliver the the most like professional video in in a short time period of time, you know.
• 17:39
  Guga Carvalho: I know what you mean, yeah.
• 17:41
  Vipul Bindra: But that's crazy though, and and those skills now are coming in handy.
• 17:43
  Vipul Bindra: Exactly.
• 17:45
  Guga Carvalho: Now I can like deliver a video same day, which which I feel like in in in the US there's no there's not much uh clients one one of that type of thing.
• 18:01
  Guga Carvalho: But in Brazil it it's very important for them to have everything right now, you know no no time to waste.
• 18:13
  Guga Carvalho: Yeah.
• 18:14
  Guga Carvalho: And uh yeah, then I I'm I'm kinda lost.
• 18:19
  Vipul Bindra: Well, but why America though?
• 18:21
  Vipul Bindra: Here's what I want to know.
• 18:22
  Vipul Bindra: So you have Brazil, you're clearly doing great there.
• 18:24
  Vipul Bindra: Why why America?
• 18:27
  Guga Carvalho: I feel like um that's a good that's a good question because I feel like here we have a lot of incentives, not money incentives, but uh the creative side here it's more um what should I say that?
• 18:54
  Guga Carvalho: Uh here you have more market for for the kind of stuff that I that I wanna do.
• 19:07
  Vipul Bindra: I know what you mean.
• 19:08
  Vipul Bindra: So less resources there versus here, yeah.
• 19:10
  Guga Carvalho: Yeah, because there I I I don't have as much as connections in film industry that I have here.
• 19:18
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, no, that makes sense because you've been here, yeah.
• 19:21
  Vipul Bindra: Studied here.
• 19:22
  Guga Carvalho: Yeah, and my whole life is here, you know?
• 19:24
  Guga Carvalho: Yeah.
• 19:25
  Guga Carvalho: Uh I just spent the beginning of my life in Brazil.
• 19:29
  Guga Carvalho: Then I came here and all my friends are here.
• 19:32
  Guga Carvalho: I mean, I have friends in Brazil and all, but uh, but uh it's not the same thing.
• 19:36
  Guga Carvalho: And especially the the lifestyle in in US is very, very different.
• 19:43
  Vipul Bindra: And you like it here, yeah.
• 19:45
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, but I do think Brazil is a huge market.
• 19:47
  Vipul Bindra: Like I was talking with Lewis.
• 19:49
  Vipul Bindra: Obviously, I totally get what you're saying, but I'm also like Brazil is a huge market, so there's gonna be huge opportunities there.
• 19:56
  Vipul Bindra: Maybe not now, but you know, as that population, as the you know, GDP increases, people get more money, yeah, they want then more entertainment, which means more content, which means so there may be huge opportunity because I know somebody who wants to move to Brazil to do content.
• 20:10
  Vipul Bindra: Elias, I've had him on the podcast, who's a great guy.
• 20:13
  Vipul Bindra: I've hired him a lot of times to do stills for me.
• 20:15
  Vipul Bindra: And um, but he wants to actually move to Brazil to do work, and I think he's going to.
• 20:20
  Vipul Bindra: Uh by the time I think this airs, he's he's already in Brazil, so which is crazy to think about.
• 20:25
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah.
• 20:25
  Vipul Bindra: But but but same thing, what he told me and asked him, I was like, why Brazil of all places?
• 20:29
  Vipul Bindra: And he's like, because there's so much opportunity there uh to do stuff.
• 20:32
  Vipul Bindra: And like I said, people don't have resources, they don't have the FX3s or whatever, easily available.
• 20:36
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, so now you can go to businesses and you can make them high-quality video and stuff that we you know, what we do.
• 20:41
  Vipul Bindra: And I was like, actually, you know, that makes sense.
• 20:44
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah.
• 20:44
  Vipul Bindra: Uh you know, uh, and then worst case, you come back, you know, it's an experiment.
• 20:48
  Guga Carvalho: But uh, but I'm saying a lot of people are also doing the opposite because they're seeing so much opportunity in these growing economies like Brazil, you know, which is Yeah, most of my friends, my Brazilian friends that uh used to uh go to Fusale as well, they usually uh graduate and then go back to to Brazil and work there.
• 21:07
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, because they can use that education to value that more.
• 21:11
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah.
• 21:11
  Vipul Bindra: Because here, you know, in Orlando say full sale, it's like everyone, okay.
• 21:14
  Vipul Bindra: I'm saying you see a Valencia Full.
• 21:17
  Guga Carvalho: It's like same same in LA, like oh, you're from Full Sale.
• 21:20
  Vipul Bindra: Okay, whatever.
• 21:21
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, it's like every everyone's yeah.
• 21:23
  Vipul Bindra: So but versus there, it'd be like a I'm guessing a very special thing because you'd like you got high quality education from an American university.
• 21:30
  Vipul Bindra: So I get that.
• 21:31
  Vipul Bindra: But uh when you came back, how do you now go about because now you're in LA, now you go to Orlando again?
• 21:37
  Vipul Bindra: Do you have to start from scratch, or did you already have enough relationships to start getting paid work?
• 21:43
  Guga Carvalho: Uh it's half half, you know, because uh most of my connections were from uh LA, and usually they don't hire people outside and oh.
• 21:59
  Guga Carvalho: You can fly in with the floor.
• 22:01
  Guga Carvalho: No, they don't need to, yeah, because they don't need talent.
• 22:03
  Guga Carvalho: Exactly.
• 22:04
  Guga Carvalho: And so I was kinda I I had to build again like my my network here and you know, but uh it worked.
• 22:18
  Guga Carvalho: Um I went uh I was talking like uh a lot with some um uh production companies even on in Instagram saying like uh I'm here um whatever you need did any of that work?
• 22:35
  Guga Carvalho: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 22:37
  Guga Carvalho: Um some of them, some of them not, but uh this isn't hard to try.
• 22:41
  Guga Carvalho: Yeah, yeah, you have to try.
• 22:43
  Guga Carvalho: And yeah, yeah.
• 22:47
  Vipul Bindra: So how do you form a like a visual style?
• 22:49
  Vipul Bindra: Do you have a visual style even?
• 22:51
  Vipul Bindra: What would you say like as a DP when somebody hires you, what's your process like?
• 22:57
  Guga Carvalho: First of all, I think understanding the the meaning of what are you gonna to to film?
• 23:05
  Guga Carvalho: For example, if it's gonna be like a movie or or uh uh short film or something, I I always try to understand the the the way that the director wants to to be have it, you know.
• 23:24
  Guga Carvalho: And also like bringing a lot of examples, a lot uh I'm always trying to understand like oh uh what type of lighting you wanna like what type of uh mood this film will be um location production design, which is very important for for photography.
• 23:54
  Guga Carvalho: Um and also like knowing knowing the director, I think.
• 24:00
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, I think knowing the director is the the first thing or the client, yeah, yeah, because you're farming that connection, you're trying to understand what they're trying to do, because you know, people can have two different visions of of the product and you want to make sure you match that image because that's what you're being judged on in the DP, or even more, because if you have a direct client, now you're responsible for like we were talking about that uh perfume commercial, yeah.
• 24:24
  Vipul Bindra: You are the DP, but you're also responsible for the crew and equipment and everything else, so it's uh it's a lot of responsibility, yeah.
• 24:29
  Vipul Bindra: But it could also mean a good payday, you know, you can make a good living out of this.
• 24:32
  Vipul Bindra: How do you go about charging high rates?
• 24:34
  Vipul Bindra: So, did you have to like do work for free at the beginning and then start charging higher rates?
• 24:38
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, what did you find?
• 24:39
  Vipul Bindra: Like, so if somebody's like trying to, you know, be their DP, how do they level up like their rates?
• 24:44
  Vipul Bindra: How do they make more money to make this a full-time career?
• 24:46
  Vipul Bindra: What would you uh suggest them?
• 24:49
  Guga Carvalho: I would say just go out there, shoot for yourself, create stuff, create like mock-ups, is it mock, yeah, mock-ups?
• 24:57
  Guga Carvalho: Spec commercial, yeah, yeah.
• 24:59
  Guga Carvalho: Like grab like a I don't know, uh a shoe or something, like a Nike shoe.
• 25:07
  Guga Carvalho: Shoot then shoot the the commercial for it and post it and then you have your your uh portfolio there, shoot like a lot of stuff or at least something that you wanna do.
• 25:24
  Guga Carvalho: Like uh for me, I've always been in the narrative side, so short short films, music videos, um even commercials, but with kind of uh story there.
• 25:40
  Guga Carvalho: So then I I put everything on a website or my Instagram and try to like pitch for for someone for a director for a client for like do work, and yeah, you can start doing that.
• 26:00
  Guga Carvalho: And uh I'm still figuring out, I'm not like very professional with this, but uh I mean you are doing great.
• 26:08
  Vipul Bindra: I mean you're busy, you get work.
• 26:10
  Vipul Bindra: That's what I'm saying.
• 26:10
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, that's all that matters.
• 26:12
  Vipul Bindra: Because see, look, there's levels to this, but there's also here's the thing I think most people just want to be full-time and make a good living doing this.
• 26:20
  Vipul Bindra: That's basically it.
• 26:21
  Vipul Bindra: Because you know, who wouldn't if I mean, I'm thinking if they're listening to this podcast, they probably care about cameras.
• 26:26
  Vipul Bindra: So, you know, at least the way I looked at it, um, and I'm sure a lot of people have this vision.
• 26:30
  Vipul Bindra: I I remember just going, you know, I could go get a job, I could go do this, I could go that and make money and be bored or hate my life or whatever, or I could play with cameras and get paid, you know, which one do I want?
• 26:42
  Vipul Bindra: And it's just most people are not business minded, so they can't figure out how to, you know, make that into a full-time career where they can have a living, they can provide for a family, have a home, you know, all that.
• 26:53
  Vipul Bindra: That's basically, I think, the the gap.
• 26:55
  Vipul Bindra: The gap isn't skill.
• 26:56
  Vipul Bindra: Skills easy, like you said, go shoot, go film, yeah, get your talent up, right?
• 27:00
  Vipul Bindra: Collaborate, meet other people, reach out.
• 27:02
  Vipul Bindra: Then, but how do you make that into a full-time career?
• 27:05
  Vipul Bindra: That's a big gap that most people struggle to cross over.
• 27:09
  Vipul Bindra: You know what I mean?
• 27:10
  Vipul Bindra: Because it's it's hard, it's not easy, especially if you don't know any business skills.
• 27:14
  Vipul Bindra: How do you manage that?
• 27:16
  Vipul Bindra: Like, what did you have to learn?
• 27:19
  Guga Carvalho: I have to learn to save money because once you have once you are a freelancer, yeah, you never know where to work.
• 27:27
  Guga Carvalho: Yeah, nobody.
• 27:29
  Guga Carvalho: But uh, that's the main thing.
• 27:32
  Guga Carvalho: And uh just keep going like an instance of like I think uh social media helps a lot because I feel like clients kind of show up for you if you post more.
• 27:49
  Guga Carvalho: I don't know, yeah.
• 27:51
  Guga Carvalho: If you're more active in Instagram, they they're gonna know and they will uh look for you and you know.
• 28:00
  Guga Carvalho: But uh yeah, I think I think just like you just have to keep posting, keep uh creating stuff and um talking to people like sometimes the the not the not even like the director or the the client, maybe the the maybe you're like grip knows someone that needs like a a DP or something, or maybe um the production designer needs someone to shoot their portfolio, shoot for free.
• 28:39
  Guga Carvalho: Maybe maybe another person will see in and we're like you know, uh who shoot for you, and you know, and then you get recommended.
• 28:49
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, I think that's basically what the the core sense of I find most people have to say.
• 28:54
  Vipul Bindra: You know, you have to know the people because it doesn't matter how talented you are if nobody knows you exist.
• 28:59
  Vipul Bindra: But here's the crazy thing that's how people know you exist.
• 29:01
  Vipul Bindra: You just go out and shoot with people, like you said, go shoot somebody's portfolio piece, go shoot uh a short film with someone, go make a commercial of a shoe that you own or a product that you have.
• 29:10
  Vipul Bindra: It doesn't have to be anything specific.
• 29:12
  Vipul Bindra: Go volunteer for free, you know.
• 29:15
  Vipul Bindra: See a set having say, How come do BTS or I'll come do PA for you?
• 29:19
  Vipul Bindra: Because I think the idea is to be on more sets, you get to know more people, then those people hire you as your skills level up.
• 29:25
  Vipul Bindra: You know, you you keep, I think, moving up.
• 29:27
  Guga Carvalho: I still do stuff for free today.
• 29:29
  Vipul Bindra: So I mean, I did that short film for you.
• 29:31
  Vipul Bindra: It had been a long time.
• 29:32
  Vipul Bindra: I don't do that much pre-speed.
• 29:33
  Vipul Bindra: Which one?
• 29:34
  Vipul Bindra: Oh, the Italian one funny one.
• 29:36
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, that one.
• 29:37
  Vipul Bindra: It was so crazy because Fernando asked me, and I normally don't do free stuff.
• 29:41
  Vipul Bindra: But then he was like, uh, you know, because I knew by you guys, I was like, oh, is Google's gonna be there, Bruno's gonna be there, Lucy's gonna.
• 29:46
  Vipul Bindra: I was like, you know what?
• 29:46
  Vipul Bindra: I'll come.
• 29:47
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah.
• 29:47
  Vipul Bindra: Uh and I was free that day.
• 29:48
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, but but it had so it was such a good time, and that's what I'm what you're talking about.
• 29:51
  Vipul Bindra: You you want to be there and you want to meet people because uh you you know, you could sit at home, and now it's a different thing that you're doing a paid project and then canceling that to go to a free project.
• 30:00
  Vipul Bindra: But if you're free, go collaborate because you never know what comes off of, you know.
• 30:05
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, uh, or just in general, you get to collaborate with friends and just have a good time, and that's uh that was a cool short film that we made, especially in in short films.
• 30:13
  Guga Carvalho: All my short films went to some uh film festival, which I can always uh explore this area more because like if if I go to a film festival, I I'm I'm gonna meet a lot of professionals there, so it's more network, it's more connections, more stuff, yeah, more opportunities.
• 30:38
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, exactly.
• 30:39
  Vipul Bindra: Do you what type of work do you to normally get and what type of work do you prefer to do?
• 30:43
  Vipul Bindra: Are you more like narrative, more commercial?
• 30:45
  Guga Carvalho: What are you so I prefer a lot uh narrative, yeah, film, you know, but uh as you know, it it's not easy to to find it, but uh I usually do a lot uh as well in um events like coverage, you know um same-day deliveries and uh and yeah and all uh but uh yeah which I like it.
• 31:22
  Guga Carvalho: I don't like of I don't like doing um just straight like interviews and all you don't I love doing interviews, it's fun.
• 31:34
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, I mean I guess so because sometimes it's boring.
• 31:36
  Vipul Bindra: I think that's why what I like to do is work with different industries, so I keep it interesting.
• 31:40
  Vipul Bindra: It's fun, like I get to learn about different things.
• 31:43
  Guga Carvalho: That's that's the good part.
• 31:44
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, now yeah, if I would get I know some people who like just do lawyers or just do oh no this, and I'm like, I would get bored listening to the same thing over and over again.
• 31:52
  Vipul Bindra: So at least for me, I love doing interviews because a no matter what, like you're doing a doc or corporate, you have to interview people.
• 31:58
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, but as long as you can do different industries, then it's like kind of interesting because you get to learn one day about like how do you build cars, then it's like, oh, how do you learn about uh uh I don't know, carcinomas or what I don't know, it's like so random and it's different, then it's like it doesn't get boring, you know.
• 32:13
  Vipul Bindra: Documentaries are nice, yeah, fun because you're not you're listening to somebody's crazy story or whatever, right?
• 32:18
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, it's it's fun, and a lot of times you can make some kind of impact with you know or whatever, it's it's cool, but uh I do get it.
• 32:26
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, if you did the same thing over and over, it get boring.
• 32:28
  Vipul Bindra: Um how do you how do you keep then yourself you know excited about projects?
• 32:33
  Vipul Bindra: Because like you said, sometimes you do have to do projects that are not the most fun.
• 32:37
  Vipul Bindra: How do you not burn out?
• 32:42
  Guga Carvalho: Maybe I'm trying to figure it out as well.
• 32:44
  Guga Carvalho: I'm already burnt out.
• 32:46
  Guga Carvalho: I'm already I'm already done.
• 32:49
  Guga Carvalho: No, uh um, I think people uh like my crew, it's a good way to you know stress out.
• 33:00
  Guga Carvalho: Stress out, yeah, stress out a little bit because I think it's important to have people that you trust and know a side of you and working together and all especially like Louis, Louis is always with me.
• 33:19
  Guga Carvalho: Like if I had a like a if I need uh a PA or a grip or uh it's the the special, but uh um AD or even a producer, I will call him.
• 33:35
  Guga Carvalho: And instead of being just an interview, a boring interview, will be uh afternoon, uh cool afternoon with Lewis.
• 33:46
  Guga Carvalho: Exactly.
• 33:46
  Guga Carvalho: And we we're kind of like shooting stuff.
• 33:49
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, you're having fun with friends.
• 33:50
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, exactly.
• 33:51
  Vipul Bindra: No, you like and which is coming back to you know what you said earlier, people don't, you know, one after the other.
• 33:57
  Vipul Bindra: It's it's in Orlando.
• 33:58
  Vipul Bindra: I mean I think in most markets, people just hire the people they know and like and you know, like I met, for example, Lewis on your shoot on the Miami shoot, and I liked hanging out with him and and Bruno so much that I ended up hiring them a few times.
• 34:10
  Vipul Bindra: That's what happens because you meet people, you like them, then you end up, you know, you collaborate with them.
• 34:15
  Vipul Bindra: Same thing with you.
• 34:16
  Vipul Bindra: Like I met you and we ended up collaborating so many times after that.
• 34:19
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, which talk about that, uh, because you came and helped me with the you were kind of like the co-DP per se on that um car commercial we did.
• 34:25
  Vipul Bindra: What was that experience like?
• 34:26
  Vipul Bindra: That was fun.
• 34:27
  Vipul Bindra: Oh, yeah.
• 34:27
  Vipul Bindra: To to use that, I mean it was a decent sized studio, but for car commercial it was a limited space, and to having to light it, you know, make it look beautiful with limited resources, limited time, because we only had I'm talking about the first one, not the second one.
• 34:39
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, but first one, uh, you know, we had to like light it, let it in one day.
• 34:43
  Vipul Bindra: So it's very limited, and same thing with shooting the car.
• 34:45
  Vipul Bindra: We only have like what an hour or two in the morning.
• 34:47
  Guga Carvalho: And I was I was learning about lighting a car because it's very different than a person, yeah, or a product or something, because it's a lot of like reflections and oh my god, and and and the client was there and she very particular to us.
• 35:06
  Guga Carvalho: Yeah, but uh yeah, it went very good, you know.
• 35:11
  Guga Carvalho: I I lot I love that that uh that piece of work that we did.
• 35:15
  Vipul Bindra: And I also like how you were able to pivot because what we quickly realized that we wanted to use the R's with the FX6s because they are, you know, the the the look that we were going for, but then you quickly realized because of the limited time, we can move faster with the Ronin 4D.
• 35:29
  Vipul Bindra: So I loved how you were able to take it essentially your first AC background coming in, you're able to help him operate that and then focus and stuff like that.
• 35:37
  Vipul Bindra: I don't know.
• 35:37
  Vipul Bindra: I felt like that was very versatile while uh you did that, while uh Josue was able to take the FX and start getting some static shots.
• 35:44
  Vipul Bindra: So we were like so much faster and effective, otherwise we wouldn't have gotten done in the limited time we had.
• 35:49
  Vipul Bindra: Oh, yeah.
• 35:50
  Vipul Bindra: Because we also had to strike the set and and and get the heck out of there.
• 35:53
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah.
• 35:54
  Vipul Bindra: So so that was pretty good.
• 35:55
  Vipul Bindra: And that's what I'm saying.
• 35:56
  Vipul Bindra: Like, I like people who are versatile.
• 35:57
  Vipul Bindra: You weren't just there, like, oh, this is what we're gonna operate, I'm gonna perfect everything.
• 36:02
  Vipul Bindra: Not that you're saying you didn't want to, but if you don't have time, you don't have time.
• 36:05
  Vipul Bindra: And if this can move faster, then this can move faster and we pivot and we make it look good.
• 36:09
  Vipul Bindra: But I think it came out incredible, it looked in amazing to me.
• 36:12
  Vipul Bindra: Oh, yeah.
• 36:13
  Vipul Bindra: And the client was happy, that's all that matters, you know.
• 36:15
  Vipul Bindra: And exactly considering the limited resources and time, I think it was incredible.
• 36:19
  Vipul Bindra: So that was your first time lighting a car, yeah, yeah.
• 36:22
  Guga Carvalho: And the sec it was this it was the second day or the first day that we went to the place to uh shoot the car actually.
• 36:30
  Vipul Bindra: No, we did that first day.
• 36:31
  Vipul Bindra: The second day of the studio, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 36:33
  Vipul Bindra: Oh, yeah, yeah.
• 36:33
  Vipul Bindra: The first day, what do you think about that?
• 36:35
  Vipul Bindra: That was chaos, yeah.
• 36:36
  Guga Carvalho: But I I love it.
• 36:37
  Guga Carvalho: I love it.
• 36:38
  Guga Carvalho: That's the chaos, yeah.
• 36:39
  Guga Carvalho: It was for me, it was the the my favorite, like my favorite part.
• 36:43
  Vipul Bindra: It was that you know that was gonna be such an epic BTS video.
• 36:46
  Vipul Bindra: We still made one, there's one you can watch, but guess what happened?
• 36:49
  Vipul Bindra: Something happened with Lewis.
• 36:50
  Vipul Bindra: So Lewis was helping with BTS.
• 36:52
  Vipul Bindra: We got no audio, bro.
• 36:54
  Vipul Bindra: The camera had bro, and funny enough, he's the audio guy now.
• 36:59
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 37:00
  Vipul Bindra: So so I don't know what is the case.
• 37:02
  Vipul Bindra: So the camera basically was totally mute, and I know the camera mic's on us because we can see like you're talking, I'm talking, and the mic's on us, but for some reason it wasn't transmitting or what?
• 37:13
  Vipul Bindra: I don't know.
• 37:14
  Vipul Bindra: Point is we make so now I had to do voiceover over it.
• 37:17
  Vipul Bindra: So we still made a video.
• 37:18
  Vipul Bindra: We used the BTS, it was amazing, bro.
• 37:20
  Vipul Bindra: But it had no eyes, but that would have been fun, bro.
• 37:22
  Vipul Bindra: I know, I know.
• 37:24
  Vipul Bindra: We we we we it's okay, though.
• 37:26
  Vipul Bindra: We still had BTS.
• 37:27
  Vipul Bindra: Your video was good, just didn't have audio.
• 37:31
  Vipul Bindra: But no, that project was fun, man.
• 37:34
  Vipul Bindra: I liked the challenge of it because it's like hey, we have limited availability of the car, so I was like, what can I do?
• 37:39
  Vipul Bindra: I brought you know all the people I knew out, yeah, and it was like free for all, have fun.
• 37:45
  Vipul Bindra: Obviously, we had a plan.
• 37:45
  Vipul Bindra: I don't want to fully discount, didn't have a plan because we wanted you know, FPV, yeah, certain shots.
• 37:50
  Vipul Bindra: But outside that was like pretty much free for all.
• 37:52
  Guga Carvalho: And then you didn't did the did the guy, the um FPV guy lost the the drone or something?
• 37:58
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, he uh yeah, uh I don't what I think he broke one of the cats, yeah.
• 38:02
  Vipul Bindra: Something happened.
• 38:02
  Vipul Bindra: So what happened was because we were in a uh tree area, um, you know, there's a lot of trees, something happened.
• 38:09
  Vipul Bindra: Like he was flying, he wasn't far away, so it wasn't like range, but something, you know, with these drones, they're not like regular DJI drones, it's like they don't have GPS.
• 38:16
  Vipul Bindra: Homemade Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 38:17
  Vipul Bindra: It's like they they tinker, like these FPUs, they're great, man.
• 38:20
  Vipul Bindra: But point is so something happened.
• 38:22
  Vipul Bindra: He took it over something and he had like the I forget DJI.
• 38:25
  Vipul Bindra: It it wasn't the expensive uh GoPro because he had like a custom GoPro on one of them.
• 38:29
  Vipul Bindra: It was I think the DJI Asma or whatever, but I think it just crashed and it broke.
• 38:34
  Vipul Bindra: So and and it wasn't even like he hit something, it just literally fell out of the sky.
• 38:38
  Vipul Bindra: And what can you do in that situation?
• 38:40
  Vipul Bindra: So he recovered it, so I hope he was able to rec repair it or whatever, fix it.
• 38:44
  Vipul Bindra: But that's kind of like one of those unfortunate things that's a risk you take, you know.
• 38:48
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, uh, but yeah, it was it was crazy, man.
• 38:50
  Vipul Bindra: That day was uh but it was fun.
• 38:51
  Vipul Bindra: I'm and I'm glad we did that because it prepared us for the second shoot that we did.
• 38:55
  Vipul Bindra: Um, uh, because that you know, now we were able to take it to the second level, like higher level.
• 39:00
  Vipul Bindra: And you came in, you were kind enough to come in and first AC for us, talk about that one because we were essentially doing what we did the first time and expanding on it, right?
• 39:09
  Vipul Bindra: That that was the goal.
• 39:10
  Vipul Bindra: It was like, hey, let's do what we did, but that now we're gonna do it at a proper scale, and uh, and I definitely wanted you to be part of it.
• 39:18
  Vipul Bindra: And I think you you kind of killed it, but also talk about the experience because I know you we had a fun experience on Sunday.
• 39:25
  Guga Carvalho: Yeah, it was fun.
• 39:28
  Vipul Bindra: Uh but overall, what do you think about Set?
• 39:30
  Vipul Bindra: Because you had now Bruno and all the friends there, and everyone, and we had like what 20, 15 to 20 people there, and everyone uh had such a fun.
• 39:37
  Guga Carvalho: Yeah, I had the best time, yeah.
• 39:39
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, and those cars too, man.
• 39:40
  Vipul Bindra: Because they brought the 302 and 420.
• 39:42
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, yeah.
• 39:43
  Guga Carvalho: Yeah, both of them are crazy.
• 39:45
  Guga Carvalho: Yeah, those cars are are like nice, nice.
• 39:49
  Guga Carvalho: I wish one day, maybe.
• 39:52
  Vipul Bindra: But I told them, like you know, one of these days I'm gonna do a project.
• 39:54
  Vipul Bindra: I just want the payment of the car, right?
• 39:56
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, that'd be fun.
• 39:57
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, I don't know, we'll get there because that'd be a huge project.
• 40:01
  Vipul Bindra: Uh, but no, but talk about your experience for like a talking one to two, like difference in in the scale and and what we were able to achieve and your experience on site.
• 40:11
  Vipul Bindra: I don't know.
• 40:11
  Guga Carvalho: Well, we used another camera, right?
• 40:15
  Vipul Bindra: Uh yeah, well, we we used the Burana, we just upgraded the FX6 to the Burana with the Rs, and then we used the same Ronin 4D because they worked so well with the West Pit 2s this time, though.
• 40:24
  Vipul Bindra: So they were we had matching lenses, yeah.
• 40:26
  Guga Carvalho: Yeah, yeah, I feel like the the 4Ds are perfect for for all the the type of the job, like uh camera movements, uh even like I don't know.
• 40:42
  Guga Carvalho: 4Ds are very uh they're they have like a very crispy um image.
• 40:49
  Guga Carvalho: I don't know why.
• 40:50
  Guga Carvalho: It's more similar to Sony's.
• 40:53
  Guga Carvalho: It is because I'm pretty sure it's a Sony sensor, yeah.
• 40:55
  Vipul Bindra: I think so, right?
• 40:56
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, it's the 8K uh 4D.
• 40:59
  Guga Carvalho: It looks very much like Sony because I think it's a Sony sensor, and it's very like portable to use, easy.
• 41:06
  Vipul Bindra: Uh especially with the flex system that we were using, so you separate the camera.
• 41:11
  Guga Carvalho: Yeah, and then you like backpack, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 41:13
  Guga Carvalho: Uh and then Bruno.
• 41:16
  Guga Carvalho: Bruno is kind of like a uh downside for me for uh for my like uh AC perspective.
• 41:25
  Guga Carvalho: In what way?
• 41:27
  Guga Carvalho: Um it lower it lows us it lowers us down uh on time.
• 41:36
  Guga Carvalho: Uh especially when we need to do like some tight shot inside of the car or even like um yeah, I think I think the Burano is not like portable enough for us to do that that kind of stuff.
• 41:59
  Guga Carvalho: And it requires a lot of hands-on uh people around the camera.
• 42:08
  Guga Carvalho: A first AC, second AC, uh a a P uh camera PA Everything for just one camera, and we didn't have the time.
• 42:21
  Guga Carvalho: Yeah, you know.
• 42:22
  Vipul Bindra: I mean, we did get a few shots from it, but you're right.
• 42:24
  Vipul Bindra: We've the Ronin just moves faster.
• 42:26
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, and that's what uh you know it comes down to is just if you have the energy and the resources, then the Branano is great.
• 42:32
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, but I think that's any camera that's Mini LF or that's Venice 2 or whatever, any big camera you get, you want to have uh um, you know, a lot of resources around it to make it look good, but it is slower, yeah, but it looks better.
• 42:45
  Vipul Bindra: For example, like the I think that we did a slider shot in the beginning that with the lights coming on.
• 42:48
  Vipul Bindra: I think it looks incredible on on camera.
• 42:51
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah.
• 42:51
  Vipul Bindra: And it's because it's contained, it's on actual um, you know, um Dana Dolly.
• 42:58
  Vipul Bindra: And um, it's also uh because it's the 8K XOCN or whatever that looks so amazing.
• 43:04
  Vipul Bindra: But on the other side, all those shots that we did with the Ronin 4D, we couldn't have achieved with the Brano.
• 43:09
  Vipul Bindra: We could have, I mean, but it would have been like way more expensive because we needed like some kind of jib or technocrane or whatever.
• 43:14
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, versus with the Ronin 4D with just that, you know, like said monopod type of thing, whatever you call it, the flex arm.
• 43:20
  Vipul Bindra: We were able to do so much and so much faster.
• 43:22
  Vipul Bindra: And you guys had the focus thing, you know, with that works.
• 43:25
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, it moves so much faster.
• 43:27
  Guga Carvalho: Even to control the camera and then focus, like I can do like yeah, you can do it right there, right?
• 43:32
  Vipul Bindra: That feature is just so incredible.
• 43:33
  Vipul Bindra: Why don't other cameras have it?
• 43:35
  Vipul Bindra: I mean, technically Sony has the monitor and control app, but you know, it's not the same.
• 43:39
  Guga Carvalho: And then you can control by using uh the Ronin's, but it it doesn't work like a Ronnie Friday.
• 43:46
  Guga Carvalho: It's just more uh Yeah.
• 43:48
  Guga Carvalho: Yeah.
• 43:49
  Vipul Bindra: They should definitely make more cameras.
• 43:51
  Vipul Bindra: I just don't know why DJ is not.
• 43:52
  Vipul Bindra: I mean, but US doesn't want them here, so I guess that's why.
• 43:55
  Vipul Bindra: Maybe that's but I think so uh DJ would do really well making like proper cameras.
• 43:59
  Vipul Bindra: Because they uh you know did so well with that camera, and I'm sure it can use upgrading and updating and being better.
• 44:06
  Guga Carvalho: So you never know, you never know.
• 44:08
  Guga Carvalho: I was about to ask you about the second day because I wasn't there.
• 44:12
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, I know.
• 44:12
  Vipul Bindra: Uh it I think was fun, right?
• 44:15
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, I saw the way cooler because so what I did, I and then I learned my lesson.
• 44:19
  Vipul Bindra: So so instead of and to be real, see, look, you have to take client um um what do you call um objectives and then figure it out.
• 44:30
  Vipul Bindra: So in the first one, like I said, with limited resources, limited time, the best resource I had was place a bunch of people and get shots done.
• 44:38
  Vipul Bindra: We only had limited availability of a road that you know that's how we did it.
• 44:42
  Vipul Bindra: This one now it's like, hey, we want a different environment.
• 44:45
  Vipul Bindra: So we didn't start from the schedule, we started from what we want to do, if that makes sense.
• 44:51
  Vipul Bindra: So it was the opposite, right?
• 44:52
  Vipul Bindra: It was like this is what you get, this road and this time, make it happen.
• 44:57
  Vipul Bindra: This one is the opposite.
• 44:59
  Vipul Bindra: It's like we started with the proper shot list with proper design, right?
• 45:02
  Vipul Bindra: As you know, yeah.
• 45:03
  Vipul Bindra: So I, as a producer first, and then as a director, I'm like, how do I want to achieve this?
• 45:10
  Vipul Bindra: Because I do not want to do what I did with the limited resource.
• 45:13
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah.
• 45:13
  Vipul Bindra: So the best thing we have is because I want actual lateral movement.
• 45:16
  Vipul Bindra: Because anyone can, I have the hydro kit, I can take a FX3 and mount it to my you know, truck or whatever and move next to a car.
• 45:22
  Vipul Bindra: It can be done.
• 45:23
  Vipul Bindra: You can do it with a pocket three for that matter.
• 45:25
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah.
• 45:26
  Vipul Bindra: So how do I I was like to elevate that?
• 45:28
  Vipul Bindra: And to me, it was the lateral movement, right?
• 45:30
  Vipul Bindra: Stuff that you can only do with a camera arm, you know, like so uh I found this guy locally, because you know, those are expensive outside of the budget, who has the tilta one, which is way more affordable.
• 45:41
  Vipul Bindra: I mean, still over 10 grand, but compared to I'm saying the traditional camera arms is way more affordable.
• 45:46
  Vipul Bindra: So, Mike, shout out to Mike, he did an incredible job.
• 45:48
  Vipul Bindra: But essentially, I got him uh to come on board and that kind of elevated our production.
• 45:52
  Vipul Bindra: Plus, it actually made it easier for production because now we have an arm with the Ronan 4D that we can all operate inside.
• 45:58
  Vipul Bindra: He has all SDEI cables wired in.
• 46:00
  Vipul Bindra: So he had one that you know he can look at.
• 46:03
  Vipul Bindra: Then uh we had two in the back, one for controlling the camera and one for controlling the focus, you know, pretty much.
• 46:09
  Vipul Bindra: So three monitors again, DJI's system, and we had the West Bit 2s camera already mounted to the arm, and so he was controlling the arm in the front.
• 46:18
  Vipul Bindra: Uh uh Matt is controlling the camera, and uh um uh Ricky, who was the DP, is controlling the uh the focus or whatever.
• 46:27
  Vipul Bindra: Point is between all of them, and then I was able to give directions and direct them.
• 46:31
  Vipul Bindra: It's so worked great.
• 46:32
  Vipul Bindra: I don't know.
• 46:33
  Vipul Bindra: I need to see if we got any BTS because we were so cramped in a car, I couldn't get BTS.
• 46:36
  Vipul Bindra: We got BTS, but not from outside.
• 46:38
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, from outside, yeah.
• 46:39
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, which is what I'm saying.
• 46:40
  Vipul Bindra: That's what you needed to see, how we were coordinating, because it required four people, actually plus one, because the driver, she was great too.
• 46:46
  Vipul Bindra: There was a he got a driver, which wasn't part of the thing, he just wanted to do better.
• 46:50
  Vipul Bindra: Uh so he he brought her on, which helped a lot.
• 46:53
  Vipul Bindra: Um, because it was gonna be one of mine, but then you know, this person is more familiar with it.
• 46:57
  Vipul Bindra: So, point is it was a coordination between the five of us to make the shots happen.
• 47:01
  Vipul Bindra: But now we don't need to get out because guess what?
• 47:03
  Vipul Bindra: If you need a static shot, we just park the car.
• 47:05
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah.
• 47:05
  Vipul Bindra: Static shot.
• 47:06
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, and we can reframe, we can go literally 360 degrees.
• 47:09
  Vipul Bindra: So that freedom not only helped make the shots more interesting, but just general shots that didn't need because not every shot needs, you know, that that extra mo degree of motion.
• 47:19
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, it just made it easier to get because now we could like be on the road and have you know the camera, let's say following.
• 47:25
  Vipul Bindra: Now we could be, you know, chasing or whatever.
• 47:27
  Vipul Bindra: Point is we couldn't do that in the past.
• 47:29
  Vipul Bindra: We would have had to swap cameras or have multiple cameras mounted.
• 47:33
  Vipul Bindra: Now it's like, sure, just shh back.
• 47:35
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, that's camera.
• 47:36
  Vipul Bindra: Oh, we want to go side, let's go side.
• 47:38
  Vipul Bindra: Hey, and we had radios, right?
• 47:39
  Vipul Bindra: So they he could pull off the point.
• 47:40
  Vipul Bindra: Is it made it much, much faster because we didn't have uh we still had the limited constraints of half a day of shoot, right?
• 47:47
  Vipul Bindra: And we need to get all the driving shots done.
• 47:49
  Vipul Bindra: And now we need city, we need sunrise, we need a bit of bridge, you know, the elements.
• 47:54
  Vipul Bindra: So that's what I liked.
• 47:55
  Vipul Bindra: The the arm, the car made it easier to get that, but it also meant five people's coordination to make it happen, right?
• 48:05
  Vipul Bindra: And but I think we killed it all uh killed it, and I think it was a letter lot better implementation the first time.
• 48:10
  Vipul Bindra: It did require the resources.
• 48:11
  Vipul Bindra: You cannot do that if you don't have the rolling 4D, you don't have the three extra monitors to go with it, you don't have the um, you know, like I said, the arm, the all of those uh and the Vespa 2s and all the resources that you needed, polarizer.
• 48:24
  Vipul Bindra: But because we had all the resources, we made it convenient for us to make it.
• 48:30
  Vipul Bindra: And next time, if I do it, I am definitely doing it that way.
• 48:32
  Vipul Bindra: Anything with them because it is just so much faster.
• 48:35
  Vipul Bindra: You can just move.
• 48:36
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah.
• 48:36
  Vipul Bindra: Uh, and like I say, you don't have to stop.
• 48:38
  Vipul Bindra: Obviously, you have to be careful around the road, especially if you're have your arm on the all the way out.
• 48:42
  Vipul Bindra: But I think the resources that are needed are way more constrained to get it done.
• 48:47
  Vipul Bindra: And and like I said, especially with the polished look from the studio to the driving shots, I think, and then different cityscapes that we were able to maximize.
• 48:54
  Vipul Bindra: Because the thing is, let's be real, Orlando doesn't really have that much pretty sights for a car commercial.
• 49:00
  Vipul Bindra: We are, you know, in the middle of uh, you know, land with theme parks.
• 49:04
  Vipul Bindra: I mean, there's not much I'm saying to do here, especially uh to be able to do it in a few hours.
• 49:09
  Vipul Bindra: So it's not like you can go there.
• 49:10
  Vipul Bindra: But with what we have here, I think we made it look incredible because we were able to incorporate that downtown lifestyle, that uh, you know, that that Sanford Bridge and it and uh yeah, I was very happy with that.
• 49:21
  Vipul Bindra: Did you guys block the the no?
• 49:24
  Vipul Bindra: We just had two cars.
• 49:24
  Vipul Bindra: No, we just had two cars.
• 49:26
  Vipul Bindra: We were using those like it was gorilla filmmaking, that's fine.
• 49:29
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, you know, but but uh uh but yeah, so it was just three cars and we were just maneuvering on that and we made it happen.
• 49:36
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, and and yeah, that that we have BTS of that.
• 49:40
  Vipul Bindra: That's you go watch the video, and it's incredible, you know.
• 49:43
  Vipul Bindra: Again, it's the people coming through and being um kind of what do you call versatile.
• 49:47
  Vipul Bindra: And there's so that's why I had two people, uh two cars, and we had a couple BTS people in there, and we also had the Branano still in there to get some uh shots which had a Hoseway in it.
• 49:57
  Vipul Bindra: Uh, he was kind enough to come because he wasn't supposed to be there either.
• 50:00
  Vipul Bindra: But he was like, you know, we'll come and then we can get some detailed shots from there from far away.
• 50:05
  Vipul Bindra: So between the two of them, and we were able to get but primary camera was the Ronin 4D, and I think that was the right move.
• 50:11
  Vipul Bindra: And then we had two cars that could block traffic as needed, yeah, within reason because we didn't want to fully block traffic.
• 50:16
  Vipul Bindra: But I'm saying we could get a shot, let people go, type of thing.
• 50:19
  Vipul Bindra: Uh and radios helped a lot.
• 50:21
  Vipul Bindra: See small things that you can think about, nothing expensive.
• 50:23
  Vipul Bindra: Radios are very cheap to rent, but on a shoot like that, effective communication is great.
• 50:28
  Vipul Bindra: Sure, I love my headsets, but they are not great for a car shoot.
• 50:31
  Vipul Bindra: So they uh the the proper you know Motorella radios were so helpful on that shoot because we had like you know multiple mile long range, so we were just able to communicate with each other and just get it done.
• 50:41
  Vipul Bindra: So man, wish you would have been there.
• 50:42
  Vipul Bindra: But uh, even the studio day, I love that because we had a full pre-light day now.
• 50:46
  Vipul Bindra: Uh so you didn't have to come for that one, right?
• 50:48
  Vipul Bindra: No, no, so yeah, so we had a full pre-light day where we came in, we lit the space.
• 50:53
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah.
• 50:53
  Vipul Bindra: And this was we gave that we got the whole day pretty much, or most of it, uh, to because we still had to strike the second day, but to actually shoot, which I think gave us plenty of time to get the shots we needed.
• 51:03
  Vipul Bindra: And like I said, plus I had talented people like you on set, which made it, you know, again make my job easier because I'm I'm doing double duty.
• 51:10
  Vipul Bindra: I'm producer handling the client, I'm also directing.
• 51:13
  Vipul Bindra: It's a decent sized crew, dealing with a lot of yeah.
• 51:16
  Vipul Bindra: Plus, I also wanted to maximize, so we got a couple other videos out of it.
• 51:20
  Vipul Bindra: I got the Van Tour video out of it for me, and then the my I don't think you were there the day when we did, but I we did a my my brand video for me.
• 51:29
  Vipul Bindra: So there was multiple extra content, the pieces of content that we were trying to get out of it, so just to maximize value.
• 51:35
  Vipul Bindra: Um and uh that you know you could only do that with an effective crew, and like I said, great people.
• 51:40
  Vipul Bindra: I'm glad you know you were able to come and help out because I wouldn't have been able to do without you.
• 51:44
  Vipul Bindra: Uh, which talk about your experience as a first AC on that set.
• 51:51
  Guga Carvalho: Uh yeah, it was it was something, you know.
• 51:58
  Guga Carvalho: Um I mean the the DP was was nice, yeah.
• 52:03
  Guga Carvalho: Like he's he's a he's a good uh DP.
• 52:06
  Guga Carvalho: But uh I feel like we got something I don't know, like wrong, maybe something.
• 52:15
  Vipul Bindra: I just remember it laughing because uh so here's my side of it, and then you're gonna tell your side.
• 52:20
  Vipul Bindra: I just kept hearing you know, Ricky go sharp, sharp, sharp, sharp.
• 52:22
  Vipul Bindra: I'm like, what are we singing here?
• 52:24
  Vipul Bindra: Uh and then uh and then I'm like, what is happening here?
• 52:27
  Guga Carvalho: He said to me, like, sharp.
• 52:29
  Guga Carvalho: I understand sharpie the the the pen.
• 52:32
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 52:33
  Vipul Bindra: No, he wanted I know what he meant, but he yeah, yeah, I know what like you don't communication guys.
• 52:39
  Guga Carvalho: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 52:40
  Guga Carvalho: You you don't do that.
• 52:41
  Guga Carvalho: You you go like focus or like can you focus please or something like or or just focus?
• 52:47
  Guga Carvalho: It's more I don't know, effective.
• 52:50
  Guga Carvalho: Yeah, instead of that, he just said sharpie, sharpie, sharpie, sharpie.
• 52:55
  Guga Carvalho: I hand it the the sharpie for him.
• 52:59
  Guga Carvalho: Am I supposed to what and a bunch of times I was sharp, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 53:12
  Vipul Bindra: I know that that part too.
• 53:13
  Vipul Bindra: But see what's funny though, I I totally get both perspectives because I have been on set where you know people say sharps, which they mean um, you know, maybe like you know, but but I'm also saying though or something.
• 53:25
  Vipul Bindra: But but I'm also saying is you're hearing sharpie, so that's funny to me because you know you're like sharpie, yeah.
• 53:31
  Guga Carvalho: Anyway, and with Bruno, uh the the Apple box thing, yeah.
• 53:38
  Vipul Bindra: Bro, that uh so so he he kept saying basically LA, uh uh Houston or whatever, yeah, New York.
• 53:46
  Vipul Bindra: The sides, the uh yeah, but I'm saying these things are not that common on set.
• 53:51
  Vipul Bindra: The thing is, uh this lingo is there, obviously, everyone knows what an Apple box is, but I'm saying most time people don't do that, don't use it.
• 53:57
  Vipul Bindra: So it he was just uh uh using very much the the jargon, and you guys are not used to it, you're just used to doing it, and uh so yeah, that was uh interesting.
• 54:06
  Vipul Bindra: I was just and I as a director, you know, my whole thing is I want the crew to figure out I mean you figured it out, so it's not that uh so that's what I was thinking, but I was also laughing in a way.
• 54:14
  Vipul Bindra: I'm also like it's funny to me because I know what's happening, yeah, yeah.
• 54:18
  Guga Carvalho: It was funny for me, but like yeah, you know, I'm I'm not gonna I'm not gonna trash or or anything because I I don't have to, uh it's not my style, but uh uh you know it was it was something it was uh like uh uh difficulty in in the set.
• 54:42
  Vipul Bindra: But you figured it out.
• 54:43
  Vipul Bindra: I mean at the end they may make something beautiful, but it's it's just funny to me.
• 54:46
  Vipul Bindra: Something's like sharp, sharp, sharp.
• 54:48
  Vipul Bindra: Like what is happening?
• 54:49
  Vipul Bindra: And then you and then at one point, like you say, you you hand you sharpie, and then you go, it is sharp.
• 54:55
  Vipul Bindra: So it was.
• 54:56
  Vipul Bindra: But you know, it happens.
• 55:00
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, we were I think they must have been really like um like shallow depth of field or something, you know.
• 55:05
  Vipul Bindra: But it was funny to me.
• 55:06
  Vipul Bindra: But then I'm looking at the monitor, I'm like, it looks good, you know, like it's all that it's about is like making good images at the end day, and you figured it out.
• 55:13
  Vipul Bindra: You know, you just have to learn DP's lingo.
• 55:15
  Vipul Bindra: That's uh the thing about first AC.
• 55:17
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, because um, at the end day, you know what I mean?
• 55:21
  Vipul Bindra: Like he's uh saying some stuff, you know, which uh I totally get, but like I'm saying if you're not familiar with it, uh you know, it's his job and your job to like understand each other, and then once you get the lingo, you move on, type of thing, you know?
• 55:35
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, and I think you guys did, but it was just like I say, it's funny in the beginning, uh, but at the end day, we were able to achieve you know great images.
• 55:42
  Vipul Bindra: I think have you seen the final commercial?
• 55:44
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 55:44
  Vipul Bindra: Fire, you know, the things, amazing, and again, when I tell people how much money we spent on it, it's like see, that's like it's one thing to also judge the commercial because you know, obviously judge the footage, but you also have to know what was what behind it.
• 55:56
  Guga Carvalho: Yeah, and usually commercials are no budget or like infinite budget.
• 56:01
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, this was like I don't want to say it's low budget, it was good budget, but it was like very limited for what we did.
• 56:07
  Vipul Bindra: And I think and and uh and that's what I keep telling about.
• 56:10
  Vipul Bindra: Like, yeah, that's what my specialty I want it to be.
• 56:12
  Vipul Bindra: I want to obviously I've done high budget stuff, I've done you know, pro high, high, like like you said, infinite money type of projects.
• 56:18
  Vipul Bindra: I've done projects with like no money, you know, with you like that zero dollar project.
• 56:22
  Vipul Bindra: But then but what I'm saying is like my specialty, I want it to be that project where it's like, you know, we want to achieve that six-figure look or that $200,000 look for half the budget.
• 56:32
  Vipul Bindra: I'm not saying impossible budgets, because that's different, but like or a third of the budget, something like that.
• 56:36
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, and with the resources I have, with the availability of uh, you know, professionals I have, I think we can do that.
• 56:42
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, um, because you know, as long as the project's cool enough.
• 56:45
  Vipul Bindra: Now, are we gonna do if there's a bunch of interviews?
• 56:47
  Vipul Bindra: No, because it's not worth it for us to do it at discounted rates.
• 56:50
  Vipul Bindra: But if it's like something cool like that, then it makes sense, you know, to pour your time and if resources into it.
• 56:55
  Guga Carvalho: And especially have people that you like are friendly with.
• 57:00
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, because everyone on there was uh friendly.
• 57:02
  Vipul Bindra: I think the only person I had worked first time on that project was Ricky, but even then I hadn't met him before.
• 57:06
  Vipul Bindra: It wasn't like we just randomly, you know, I had met him and I heard a bunch about him, and everyone had said rave things about him.
• 57:12
  Vipul Bindra: And like I said, he killed it.
• 57:14
  Vipul Bindra: To be honest, I'll say something good about Ricky here.
• 57:17
  Vipul Bindra: Uh, most my client is very particular because you know it is their brand, they built it from scratch.
• 57:20
  Vipul Bindra: There, you know, she she's not just a marketing person, she helped the owner and the main guy built it.
• 57:26
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah.
• 57:26
  Vipul Bindra: So what I'm saying is they're very passionate about their brand, they're very particular about their brand.
• 57:31
  Vipul Bindra: So, you know, it takes a couple of tries to get the pitch with her.
• 57:35
  Vipul Bindra: And uh what I loved is now I did, I'm gonna take a little bit of credit.
• 57:38
  Vipul Bindra: I did feed Ricky like exactly what she likes and what she doesn't like.
• 57:42
  Vipul Bindra: But the first pitch we did to her, that the one we made, it was immediate.
• 57:46
  Vipul Bindra: Yes.
• 57:47
  Vipul Bindra: So we did a pitch, we showed it to them, um, to her, and I think Tom was on the call too.
• 57:51
  Vipul Bindra: And the point is they watched it, they were like, Yep, as long as we can make this, we're good.
• 57:55
  Vipul Bindra: And I was like, this is so amazing.
• 57:57
  Vipul Bindra: Nice, and that's what you want from the client.
• 57:59
  Vipul Bindra: I'm saying you want the client to see something, say make it, and then we did make it, and they had no feedback.
• 58:04
  Vipul Bindra: They were like, This is great.
• 58:05
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, and that's what you want.
• 58:07
  Guga Carvalho: That's the best.
• 58:08
  Vipul Bindra: So that project in that way was extremely smooth in that way.
• 58:11
  Vipul Bindra: We we made um uh what do you call it?
• 58:15
  Vipul Bindra: Like a uh pitch for them.
• 58:17
  Vipul Bindra: Uh-huh.
• 58:18
  Vipul Bindra: They saw the pitch and uh and they approved it immediately.
• 58:21
  Vipul Bindra: We shot the thing, we made the edit, and they were like, This is great.
• 58:24
  Vipul Bindra: And we send it, and the next day, literally the next day, was in the in a show where they launched the car in North Carolina somewhere at the car show, and they were playing that for people.
• 58:32
  Vipul Bindra: And that to me is is the the level of I'm saying production that and and skill set that we bring that the client is so happy.
• 58:39
  Vipul Bindra: And like I said, it took to be real, um, you know, a lot of people uh in in the right positions to make it happen.
• 58:48
  Vipul Bindra: Because I don't know if we would have been able to do it if he didn't have Matt operating the running 4D, right?
• 58:53
  Vipul Bindra: And we wouldn't have been able to do it if I didn't have Jose Lighting and you being the AC and Ricky DP.
• 58:58
  Vipul Bindra: So I think it just I think that's what filmmaking really is.
• 59:00
  Vipul Bindra: You build a network like you started with, yeah, then you bring the people together.
• 59:04
  Vipul Bindra: And and even like I said, Lewis, he wasn't even in the country, he was helping me make freaking uh call sheets from Brazil, you know, and and it wouldn't have happened because I don't have time to make call sheets.
• 59:14
  Guga Carvalho: I didn't know that.
• 59:15
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, so I was literally like, bro, make call sheet, you know.
• 59:17
  Vipul Bindra: It's like and I don't know the time gap because I know it's not the same time.
• 59:20
  Vipul Bindra: So he's like that's just an hour.
• 59:22
  Vipul Bindra: Okay, so yeah, so he's so he's like in Brazil.
• 59:23
  Vipul Bindra: I'm like, bro, I need this call sheet, you know, he's like on it, but he doesn't know the thing is he's not there, so I have to tell him too.
• 59:29
  Vipul Bindra: Like, I need this person will be there, this person won't be there, you know what I mean?
• 59:32
  Vipul Bindra: It's like three different days, so to fully understand that um takes a lot.
• 59:36
  Vipul Bindra: And we also had a lot of people on site, you know.
• 59:38
  Vipul Bindra: So it's like also, and everyone has specific roles uh that need to be managed, and uh, and like I said, since he was gonna be uh not gonna be available, I had to have Mario step up and be the first AD to manage because I'm like, I I don't I can on a project like that that scale, yeah.
• 59:52
  Vipul Bindra: I want to focus on what I was doing, but I also loved this is what I like, and that's my style.
• 59:57
  Vipul Bindra: Um, you know, that I planned it out.
• 1:00:00
  Vipul Bindra: We knew exactly what we're making, right?
• 1:00:01
  Vipul Bindra: Completely opposite of the first, like exact shots, exact everything.
• 1:00:04
  Vipul Bindra: The Vinash Shara set, as you saw, how different it was.
• 1:00:07
  Vipul Bindra: If you remember the first one, I had to actually like be directing and you know, actually, in this one, my direction was pretty much do this, like what's on the paper.
• 1:00:15
  Vipul Bindra: And you guys did.
• 1:00:16
  Vipul Bindra: And it was like I was I didn't have to be like micromanaging anything.
• 1:00:20
  Vipul Bindra: Everyone knew.
• 1:00:21
  Vipul Bindra: I think there was I was a little bit involved in lighting out in the middle of the thing because we've already figured everything out, we've figured out lighting, we know what it is.
• 1:00:28
  Vipul Bindra: The there was uh obviously challenges as people can go see in BTS as lane, like day one.
• 1:00:33
  Vipul Bindra: Uh, one of the you know, speed uh speed rail we got wasn't the correct uh diameter, so we had to go get that replaced, or we had reflections because of certain things.
• 1:00:43
  Vipul Bindra: So Josue and I had to figure out how to get the reflections out, and Matt and Hosue killed it on that.
• 1:00:48
  Vipul Bindra: So I'm saying there were challenges, but regardless, I'm saying on the day, I'm like, guys, let's do this.
• 1:00:52
  Guga Carvalho: That's why pre-production's very important.
• 1:00:54
  Guga Carvalho: Exactly.
• 1:00:55
  Vipul Bindra: It is the most important thing because, but as a director, I'm saying, especially on a product shoot, because that's what that is, right?
• 1:01:01
  Vipul Bindra: A product commercial.
• 1:01:02
  Vipul Bindra: I don't need to like micromanage anything.
• 1:01:04
  Vipul Bindra: I'm like, let's get this done.
• 1:01:06
  Vipul Bindra: Now this shot, let's achieve it.
• 1:01:08
  Vipul Bindra: As you saw, I was very little like having to tell people, except for like some inputs, you know, let's change lighting here, and that's about it.
• 1:01:14
  Vipul Bindra: So it becomes very easy.
• 1:01:15
  Vipul Bindra: So I'm saying direct, unlike when you don't have a plan, because now you're having to coordinate these many people.
• 1:01:21
  Vipul Bindra: Uh, because now can you imagine now you have uh me yelling at you and then Ricky yelling at you sharp, sharp, sharp overwhelming.
• 1:01:30
  Vipul Bindra: So I liked how calm the set was.
• 1:01:33
  Vipul Bindra: Uh, we were able to play music and chill, and even the client liked it.
• 1:01:36
  Vipul Bindra: She mentioned it.
• 1:01:36
  Vipul Bindra: She was like, I see you guys are chilling.
• 1:01:38
  Vipul Bindra: I was like, that's the point.
• 1:01:39
  Vipul Bindra: Everyone's on point getting their thing.
• 1:01:41
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, and you know, plus we had to do still, so it's like they can come in, you guys can step out and prepare for the next shot while they get in it.
• 1:01:47
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, it's the the you know, like I said, it's a dance and it's a beautiful dance, and I love doing that.
• 1:01:52
  Vipul Bindra: Uh, I'm so glad I was able to document because I get to do a lot of those, but I don't usually document them because for agencies and stuff.
• 1:01:58
  Vipul Bindra: So, you know, it's their NDAs and stuff.
• 1:02:01
  Vipul Bindra: Because like I've done five commercials in the last two months, none of them have BTS.
• 1:02:04
  Vipul Bindra: So what I liked about that was the client is my client, so I have full freedom to get BTS.
• 1:02:10
  Vipul Bindra: That's what I think made I liked about it.
• 1:02:11
  Vipul Bindra: So I was able to share all that and we can talk about it, you know.
• 1:02:14
  Guga Carvalho: And I feel like behind the scenes for us are always like hard to post it, to to make it, you know.
• 1:02:22
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, and especially like I said, for me, it's like a lot of NDAs involved.
• 1:02:24
  Vipul Bindra: I do a lot of like uh political stuff, a lot of and I say changes, but right now I'm saying that this year's been a lot of political stuff, a lot of um medical stuff, uh all of that uh stuff has like uh or you know, other agency stuff that all comes with NDAs.
• 1:02:40
  Vipul Bindra: So or or even if it's not an NDA, like in a proper contract, uh, you know, it may come with like certain requirements, like you can't share this for six months or whatever.
• 1:02:48
  Vipul Bindra: You know what I mean?
• 1:02:48
  Vipul Bindra: So at that point, like, and then I can't bring my own BTS people because you know if I'm being hired, I I can't have a BTS person there, so it's only what I can dig for the phone.
• 1:02:56
  Vipul Bindra: So it's like I'm saying with that one, because it was mine, I was able to do proper, you know, documentary level, I think BTS, and I think that helps because I would love to see you know behind the scenes from other people's side how they're managing and issues and things like that.
• 1:03:08
  Vipul Bindra: Oh, yeah, and it helps you just become a better filmmaker because now you can go on your set and not have that issue.
• 1:03:12
  Vipul Bindra: You're like, I'm gonna double check the speed rail sizing, you know.
• 1:03:15
  Vipul Bindra: It's like a random thing because I I went the day before to get the speed rail, and they told me I said I want an inch and a quarter, and they said this is and you know, I don't have a third speed rail on me to check the diameter.
• 1:03:25
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, I'm like perfect, and I show up on shed.
• 1:03:27
  Vipul Bindra: Of course, it's not the right diameter.
• 1:03:28
  Vipul Bindra: They gave me an inch and a half, you know.
• 1:03:30
  Vipul Bindra: It's like I'm not saying that wasn't, but you know, it costs us an hour of time on the site, you know, because uh shout out to um who did it, um Alex.
• 1:03:40
  Vipul Bindra: He drove all the way and then brought the chicks.
• 1:03:43
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:03:44
  Guga Carvalho: You should hire someone just for BTS and then like I mean that's what we did on that one.
• 1:03:49
  Vipul Bindra: We had that.
• 1:03:49
  Vipul Bindra: No, no, for all no, that would be great.
• 1:03:52
  Guga Carvalho: Every day, just follow you.
• 1:03:54
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, but it'd be funny because you imagine I showed up on your set and had a BTS guy following me, and be like, what the F.
• 1:03:59
  Vipul Bindra: That'd be an easy way to kill my business.
• 1:04:01
  Vipul Bindra: I can't do that, you know.
• 1:04:02
  Vipul Bindra: I know it sounds like fun.
• 1:04:04
  Guga Carvalho: I'm I'm sure in the country, yeah, right.
• 1:04:06
  Vipul Bindra: I have a BTS guy with me.
• 1:04:09
  Vipul Bindra: Next thing I know, I'm begging you for work because somebody wants to hire me.
• 1:04:13
  Vipul Bindra: Like, this guy shows up with a with a his own that'd be fun though.
• 1:04:17
  Vipul Bindra: That'd be fun though.
• 1:04:18
  Vipul Bindra: I would love to.
• 1:04:19
  Vipul Bindra: I'd have so many people who reach out.
• 1:04:20
  Vipul Bindra: The thing is, I I get one people because you know, I guess I don't know where they find me, but the point is people say, like, hey, I want to come BTS on your set, and that'd be incredible.
• 1:04:27
  Vipul Bindra: But like I said, unless it's my own set uh that I can fully control, I can't have uh you know BTS.
• 1:04:33
  Vipul Bindra: But but you know, it's fun though.
• 1:04:35
  Vipul Bindra: Uh it's a good way to start.
• 1:04:36
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, as you as you saw you got to come on a fun set, like the one with the Jason.
• 1:04:40
  Vipul Bindra: Do you remember that one?
• 1:04:41
  Vipul Bindra: That was so fun, man.
• 1:04:42
  Vipul Bindra: It was just you, me, and Mario.
• 1:04:43
  Vipul Bindra: And it was such a like that's the type of stuff I like to do.
• 1:04:47
  Vipul Bindra: I know it's not as fancy as this car commercial we're talking about.
• 1:04:49
  Vipul Bindra: It was cool, but it's helping a friend make a cool brand video for us, and it's a chill day.
• 1:04:54
  Vipul Bindra: It's literally set up, like you said, a boring interview, but it's for a friend.
• 1:04:57
  Vipul Bindra: So I had such fun talking to them.
• 1:04:58
  Vipul Bindra: And then we were also able to do b-roll at the same time, you know.
• 1:05:02
  Vipul Bindra: I'm saying I actually enjoy projects like that because it's like I care about actually the client, yeah, right?
• 1:05:07
  Vipul Bindra: I care about making something great.
• 1:05:09
  Vipul Bindra: It's a nonchalant half a day shoot, and we're done.
• 1:05:12
  Vipul Bindra: How easy is that?
• 1:05:13
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, right.
• 1:05:14
  Vipul Bindra: And then the location was beautiful.
• 1:05:15
  Vipul Bindra: You know what I mean?
• 1:05:16
  Vipul Bindra: Like it everything's great.
• 1:05:18
  Vipul Bindra: And the client, the people he was able to call were his actual clients who we were able to get B-roll of.
• 1:05:22
  Vipul Bindra: And it's a small crew, it's just you, me, and Mario.
• 1:05:24
  Vipul Bindra: So it's like it wasn't like I'm saying crazy.
• 1:05:26
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, uh, obviously, it's not something you'd go on portfolio.
• 1:05:29
  Vipul Bindra: Oh, yeah, but like it was fun.
• 1:05:31
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, and that's what I like to do a lot of because it's like so easy.
• 1:05:35
  Vipul Bindra: Three people, yeah, easy money, easy shoot, easy uh plus you love the client generally on the other side of it, so everyone's fun.
• 1:05:42
  Vipul Bindra: And you did a revology shoot for me in the studio as well, right?
• 1:05:45
  Vipul Bindra: In their location.
• 1:05:46
  Guga Carvalho: Yeah, yeah, we did.
• 1:05:47
  Guga Carvalho: Yeah, that was fun because that was that was cool.
• 1:05:50
  Vipul Bindra: Because that was actual interview, I think, uh, with like proper cinema uhl's lenses and stuff, wasn't it?
• 1:05:55
  Vipul Bindra: How was your experience with those?
• 1:05:56
  Vipul Bindra: Nice, nice.
• 1:05:57
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, that was your second time using them, right?
• 1:05:58
  Vipul Bindra: Because that was that.
• 1:05:59
  Vipul Bindra: Before or after the commercial?
• 1:06:01
  Vipul Bindra: I forget.
• 1:06:02
  Guga Carvalho: It was after, I think.
• 1:06:04
  Guga Carvalho: I think, yeah, I think it was after.
• 1:06:06
  Vipul Bindra: It was after?
• 1:06:07
  Guga Carvalho: Yeah.
• 1:06:07
  Guga Carvalho: But yeah, the lenses are fucking incredible.
• 1:06:10
  Guga Carvalho: Yeah.
• 1:06:10
  Guga Carvalho: I love them.
• 1:06:11
  Guga Carvalho: And uh yeah, uh even the do you have the which one do you have?
• 1:06:17
  Vipul Bindra: The I have the Rs and the Vespa 2s.
• 1:06:20
  Guga Carvalho: Yeah, but the I know that the Rls had another version, which yeah, it has 11 focal lens.
• 1:06:29
  Vipul Bindra: I have the five set, the set of the main focal.
• 1:06:31
  Guga Carvalho: No, but they they are they're black or they are oh yeah, yeah.
• 1:06:34
  Vipul Bindra: I have the black ones, yeah.
• 1:06:35
  Vipul Bindra: The regular ones.
• 1:06:36
  Vipul Bindra: I don't like the other ones.
• 1:06:37
  Vipul Bindra: My friend uh Sean has them.
• 1:06:38
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, I think we talk about the the uh what are they called?
• 1:06:42
  Vipul Bindra: The um Luster.
• 1:06:43
  Vipul Bindra: Luster, yeah.
• 1:06:44
  Vipul Bindra: Like I said, not saying they're bad, they're they're great lenses.
• 1:06:47
  Guga Carvalho: These are Alz lenses, it's just after you you you said it to me, I I saw your test.
• 1:06:53
  Guga Carvalho: Yeah, it it it will it was not that bad.
• 1:06:57
  Vipul Bindra: No, because it's the same lens.
• 1:06:59
  Vipul Bindra: Let's be real.
• 1:06:59
  Vipul Bindra: What is Luster is the Alz lens with the different coding on it?
• 1:07:03
  Vipul Bindra: And for certain projects, I think be good.
• 1:07:05
  Vipul Bindra: Like if I was doing like a dream sequence or something like that.
• 1:07:08
  Vipul Bindra: But for me, and like I said, again, people are doing it.
• 1:07:10
  Vipul Bindra: The thing is, my friend Sean has them and he uses them for commercial projects.
• 1:07:13
  Vipul Bindra: I just wouldn't use a on a commercial because to me, if I want a dreamy look, I can do it in post, I can do it with filters.
• 1:07:20
  Vipul Bindra: I don't want to buy a set of lens that always looks like that.
• 1:07:23
  Vipul Bindra: The flares may be great on it, but the overall contrast is just I'm not a fan of it.
• 1:07:27
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, and I don't know that many commercials that want that look all the time.
• 1:07:31
  Vipul Bindra: I'm saying once in a while, sure, it may be specific projects.
• 1:07:34
  Vipul Bindra: So that's why I never understood the thing, but that's why he had that's why you go watch that video that I made with him so you get somebody else's perspective.
• 1:07:40
  Vipul Bindra: And for him, they were the right lens.
• 1:07:42
  Vipul Bindra: He wants to be different, he wants to have that crazy look on everything.
• 1:07:46
  Vipul Bindra: And I'm like, I don't get it, but you do, and you have enough business to justify it.
• 1:07:51
  Vipul Bindra: That's what the whole filmmaking thing is about, right?
• 1:07:53
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, which is why you would hire him on a certain shoot and not me, and vice versa.
• 1:07:57
  Vipul Bindra: And they would hire you because even though we're all doing the same thing, yeah, we are but with a uh different perspective, exactly.
• 1:08:04
  Vipul Bindra: And I my perspective has always been I want to make content that you know is right for the brand.
• 1:08:10
  Vipul Bindra: As in, like, I'm not gonna ever push uh on things just to make it certain way, as in like I like the way I do it, and and I would love to know your process.
• 1:08:19
  Vipul Bindra: Uh is like if somebody approaches me, like we like the car commercial, we're gonna make a commercial.
• 1:08:23
  Vipul Bindra: What's the goal?
• 1:08:24
  Vipul Bindra: The goal is to show the car, yeah.
• 1:08:25
  Vipul Bindra: Right?
• 1:08:26
  Vipul Bindra: The goal is not extreme filmmaking, creative filmmaking, they want the filmmaking to disappear, right?
• 1:08:31
  Vipul Bindra: They want to not talk about cameras, lenses, and that's where why we use the R's and the Vespe, because they're clean lenses, but they're also cinematic, because we don't want it's a premium product, it's a half a million car, which is why we don't want to use Sigma or Nisi because we don't want it sharp, we want it cinematic but clean, which is why use we use yeah, but I'm saying if it was a different project, if it's like a music video or something, I'm just saying I may would use something different, or if it was like a yeah, you know, but I mean like you use the right product, yeah, yeah.
• 1:08:59
  Guga Carvalho: If it if you have like the the liberty of choosing your own or putting your own style there, good, exactly.
• 1:09:07
  Vipul Bindra: But you also have to make sure that that the style matches what the client's looking for, yeah.
• 1:09:11
  Vipul Bindra: Oh, last thing you want to do is put a put a style on and then they go, uh yeah, and you know, it wasn't what they were looking for because you know doesn't match exactly the vision of the brand, cohesiveness or whatever.
• 1:09:22
  Vipul Bindra: So, how do you approach you know style thing?
• 1:09:24
  Vipul Bindra: Because like you said, there's maybe lenses you want to use, yeah.
• 1:09:27
  Guga Carvalho: But that that's the thing, like being being a DP for a commercial, usually the the brand uh came to me with I want I want your vision, I want your style, so it's easy for me, right?
• 1:09:44
  Vipul Bindra: Because then you pick what you want to pick, yeah.
• 1:09:45
  Vipul Bindra: But how are you approaching that?
• 1:09:46
  Vipul Bindra: So share let's say a brand comes to you and they're like, I want you to help me make this, whatever.
• 1:09:50
  Vipul Bindra: Um how are you then picking the camera, the lens, or whatever?
• 1:09:54
  Guga Carvalho: So, first I think just searching uh more about I mean first understanding the budget, because this is very important.
• 1:10:04
  Guga Carvalho: Because I can oh okay, let's do IMAX.
• 1:10:08
  Guga Carvalho: Okay, yeah.
• 1:10:09
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, but how do you approach because usually I don't know if you have this happen, and maybe this doesn't happen if you're just the DP, but usually brands approach and say, What's the budget?
• 1:10:16
  Vipul Bindra: And say, I don't know.
• 1:10:16
  Vipul Bindra: You have that happen, then how do you approach it?
• 1:10:19
  Guga Carvalho: I have uh yeah, I I think I had one one of my clients say saying that to me, but uh I think I ended up being him like uh doing a budget for me and and then we we went through.
• 1:10:36
  Guga Carvalho: But uh yeah, uh I if I don't have any any numbers I think I go with my usual stuff, which is like I own uh uh FX3.
• 1:10:49
  Guga Carvalho: Let's use the FX3 then.
• 1:10:51
  Guga Carvalho: Perfect.
• 1:10:52
  Vipul Bindra: What lenses did you go for?
• 1:10:53
  Vipul Bindra: Gmaster or something different?
• 1:10:55
  Guga Carvalho: Uh usually, yes, but because I can I can change it uh uh in in post or anything, uh but uh if I have the ability to rent something or maybe I don't know buy something, I would I would go definitely with uh any DZO.
• 1:11:20
  Vipul Bindra: They're doing good stuff now.
• 1:11:21
  Vipul Bindra: They they're doing amazing stuff, and the older stuff, not so much, but the newer stuff.
• 1:11:26
  Guga Carvalho: Yeah, the newer stuff, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:11:27
  Guga Carvalho: And even the the typewatch is yeah, type it's them.
• 1:11:31
  Vipul Bindra: You know, it's yeah, it's that yeah, exactly.
• 1:11:33
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:11:34
  Guga Carvalho: I I just bought the Mercy's?
• 1:11:36
  Guga Carvalho: No, no, the I wish the the new autofocus one uh oh yeah 24 to 50.
• 1:11:44
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, that looks really neat too.
• 1:11:45
  Vipul Bindra: That's their first autofocus last year.
• 1:11:46
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, you know, so hey, I was impressed.
• 1:11:49
  Guga Carvalho: Yeah, I was impressed because my my main one, my uh 1635 G Master, broke.
• 1:11:56
  Guga Carvalho: Uh yeah, and then I I had to buy another one.
• 1:12:01
  Vipul Bindra: Then yeah, yeah.
• 1:12:02
  Vipul Bindra: No, they obviously they don't send me anything, but I would love to try the new R Zoom.
• 1:12:06
  Vipul Bindra: I'm gonna buy those, man.
• 1:12:08
  Vipul Bindra: I will just buy it.
• 1:12:09
  Vipul Bindra: That's what I'm saying.
• 1:12:10
  Vipul Bindra: Companies, it's fine.
• 1:12:12
  Vipul Bindra: I don't really care.
• 1:12:13
  Vipul Bindra: But I I uh but I'm really looking forward to the RL Zoom because the Rls have made me so much money and they've been really good lenses.
• 1:12:18
  Vipul Bindra: Uh-huh.
• 1:12:18
  Vipul Bindra: Um, like I said, they're actually versatile, is why I like them, not because of certain things.
• 1:12:22
  Vipul Bindra: And then I have now matching set of Vespe 2, which I can use on gimbal or whatever.
• 1:12:26
  Vipul Bindra: So I I would love to get uh the Rl Zoom because there are a lot of times, like you said, you're doing docs and whatever.
• 1:12:32
  Vipul Bindra: You need to move fast, you you can't swap.
• 1:12:34
  Guga Carvalho: The I I use uh for for the the last uh perfume show that I did this year, I use the their um Kata Zoom lens.
• 1:12:46
  Vipul Bindra: How do you like them?
• 1:12:47
  Guga Carvalho: Amazing, yeah, amazing, and super quick.
• 1:12:49
  Guga Carvalho: We had uh the two set, which was no, not 24, like I think it was 35 to 50 or 35 to 70.
• 1:13:02
  Guga Carvalho: Yeah, something like that.
• 1:13:03
  Guga Carvalho: Yeah, yeah, 80 to 135, something good stuff, right?
• 1:13:10
  Vipul Bindra: That's what I thought.
• 1:13:11
  Vipul Bindra: So good.
• 1:13:11
  Vipul Bindra: I that's what I'm saying.
• 1:13:12
  Vipul Bindra: And then our zoom's gonna be even better.
• 1:13:14
  Vipul Bindra: I'm really looking forward to it.
• 1:13:16
  Vipul Bindra: I tried them at NAB and I was like, uh-huh, bro, like this is it's very similar.
• 1:13:20
  Vipul Bindra: Not you know, it's just car Kata is.
• 1:13:22
  Vipul Bindra: I think they had better focal lengths.
• 1:13:24
  Vipul Bindra: I've my brain obviously not thinking right now, but the focal length seemed better to me, more versatile, and very similar to again signature prime.
• 1:13:31
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, yeah, uh, and then also the coating, because you know, I like the Arles coating.
• 1:13:35
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, so I and I think they're gonna be priced well too.
• 1:13:37
  Vipul Bindra: I think under hopefully under 5,000.
• 1:13:39
  Vipul Bindra: That's gonna be a buy for me, the two set.
• 1:13:41
  Vipul Bindra: The only thing I told them was like have an ultra wide because some people want the ultra wide, they don't.
• 1:13:44
  Vipul Bindra: I mean, it still started pretty good.
• 1:13:46
  Vipul Bindra: I think it's like 24 or whatever, right?
• 1:13:47
  Vipul Bindra: 25.
• 1:13:48
  Vipul Bindra: So it's a good focal in to start with.
• 1:13:50
  Vipul Bindra: But I'm saying I'm sure having like a 16 or something like that would be nice to finish the Trinity.
• 1:13:55
  Vipul Bindra: But outside of that, I was like, this is incredible.
• 1:13:57
  Vipul Bindra: If obviously, I'm sure that was pre-production, so what changes, where they cut companies or add.
• 1:14:02
  Vipul Bindra: So I don't know, but I'm saying if they are similar to where they were, I was just like, this is gonna be a perfect match because obviously the primes are better, but there's circumstances, like you said, where you have to move, you need a zoom, and and to be able to have a zoom you can pair, especially with the tilta autofocus adapter, dude, this is gonna be fire, you know.
• 1:14:20
  Guga Carvalho: Exactly, and they're not heavy, yeah, so you can put it in the game and just go.
• 1:14:25
  Guga Carvalho: Yeah, it's great, or just easy rig and go.
• 1:14:27
  Vipul Bindra: You know what I mean?
• 1:14:28
  Vipul Bindra: There's so many versatile ways.
• 1:14:29
  Vipul Bindra: So I'm really excited.
• 1:14:30
  Vipul Bindra: Like I said, I'm definitely gonna buy a set uh uh whenever they officially launch.
• 1:14:34
  Vipul Bindra: I know I've seen enough YouTube videos, so they're out there.
• 1:14:36
  Vipul Bindra: They've given it to YouTubers.
• 1:14:37
  Vipul Bindra: That's what I'm saying.
• 1:14:38
  Vipul Bindra: Give me a set for testing, I will return it.
• 1:14:40
  Vipul Bindra: But you know, these brands uh maybe not returning.
• 1:14:43
  Vipul Bindra: Uh yeah, I mean I I have never been, by the way.
• 1:14:46
  Vipul Bindra: I buy all my gear with my money.
• 1:14:48
  Guga Carvalho: Nobody's giving me anything for you.
• 1:14:49
  Guga Carvalho: I wish.
• 1:14:49
  Vipul Bindra: You know, I wish the only people who message me, by the way, which I don't want free gear, uh, but it's it's like cheaper stuff.
• 1:14:55
  Vipul Bindra: Like, get our soft, try our softbox and do a video on it or our tiny light, you know, all these brands like reach out to me, and I'm like, no, because my entire thing is I don't want crap, as you see.
• 1:15:04
  Vipul Bindra: Equipment's not an issue.
• 1:15:05
  Vipul Bindra: I'm gonna use stuff I want to use.
• 1:15:07
  Vipul Bindra: I don't want to be ever brand shill or care about a brand because it's not my style.
• 1:15:11
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, I don't pitch anything, I don't sell anything of this channel because I was like, the day I do that, then yeah, yeah, it's not worth it.
• 1:15:17
  Vipul Bindra: But but I'm saying also then I get jealous sometimes.
• 1:15:20
  Vipul Bindra: Like I said, I would love to have the Arl Zoom already be playing with them.
• 1:15:23
  Vipul Bindra: I'm happy to return them, but I'm like, then why are they gonna send it, you know, to to a channel that's like not shilling.
• 1:15:28
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, because I'm gonna tell the truth if I had them, you know.
• 1:15:31
  Vipul Bindra: But true.
• 1:15:32
  Vipul Bindra: Either way, I'll just buy it and do it.
• 1:15:33
  Vipul Bindra: So but no, that company, that's what I'm saying.
• 1:15:36
  Vipul Bindra: Lenses have come a long way.
• 1:15:37
  Vipul Bindra: Oh, yeah.
• 1:15:37
  Vipul Bindra: What I do like now that you don't have to, because in the past, here's what I've seen the industry change.
• 1:15:43
  Vipul Bindra: A few years ago, you had to rent lenses because good lenses were expensive, and the only way your budget was hey, use the native glass or rent expensive glass.
• 1:15:53
  Vipul Bindra: So, you know, people with like decent budget, but nothing high, couldn't do any decent glass because Chinese glass sucked, you know.
• 1:16:01
  Vipul Bindra: Like now, with these Chinese companies killing it, I'm like, a lot of companies that may have even sprung for these high-end expenses lenses are not springing for them anymore.
• 1:16:10
  Vipul Bindra: Because if they're like with the Arcana, we can get the look, yeah.
• 1:16:13
  Vipul Bindra: Why would we?
• 1:16:14
  Vipul Bindra: That's why I think Atlas had to reduce the price in the mercury's.
• 1:16:17
  Vipul Bindra: Because why else?
• 1:16:18
  Vipul Bindra: I was like, would they they must be feeling the heat?
• 1:16:20
  Vipul Bindra: Because not again, Arcana's not as good.
• 1:16:22
  Vipul Bindra: For example, the Mercury.
• 1:16:24
  Vipul Bindra: But if you're getting 80% of the way there for like so much cheaper, then I think that's where the the the shift is happening, right?
• 1:16:33
  Vipul Bindra: You're like same thing, where like you're getting so close for so little money, it doesn't make sense for a lot of brands where they don't even care a lot of times.
• 1:16:40
  Vipul Bindra: They're just like make it beautiful, and you're like, hey, I can make it beautiful for a third of the price.
• 1:16:45
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:16:45
  Vipul Bindra: Why wouldn't you?
• 1:16:46
  Vipul Bindra: Right?
• 1:16:46
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, and so and like you were just saying, your approach, you're like anything DZO, you're not even thinking like high end because you don't need to, and and it's gonna give them a great look.
• 1:16:55
  Vipul Bindra: Exactly.
• 1:16:56
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, client saves money, you look good, your rates are nicer, so they're like, Well, we want to go with this DP versus a DP I'm saying who's insistent on let's rent some fancy glass or whatever.
• 1:17:05
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, so yeah, I mean, I guess it's a better business decision, too.
• 1:17:09
  Vipul Bindra: So is that what your normal go-to is FX3?
• 1:17:11
  Guga Carvalho: Um, yeah, that's my main camera.
• 1:17:13
  Guga Carvalho: So yes.
• 1:17:14
  Vipul Bindra: Is there any camera you prefer to use too?
• 1:17:16
  Vipul Bindra: That I mean, maybe a rental thing?
• 1:17:18
  Guga Carvalho: FX6, um yeah, FX6, FX9.
• 1:17:23
  Guga Carvalho: FX9, I I I don't love it, but okay, yeah.
• 1:17:27
  Guga Carvalho: Because I I I still prefer FX6.
• 1:17:30
  Guga Carvalho: Um and then Ari's.
• 1:17:35
  Guga Carvalho: Yeah.
• 1:17:36
  Guga Carvalho: Alexa's.
• 1:17:37
  Vipul Bindra: Um you find a lot of projects nowadays that have budgets for them.
• 1:17:42
  Guga Carvalho: Uh no, no, no, no, no.
• 1:17:45
  Guga Carvalho: Uh usually it's just filming usually in LA, not here.
• 1:17:51
  Guga Carvalho: I I I did I don't think I I shot something in Orlando using Alexis.
• 1:17:59
  Guga Carvalho: I I yeah.
• 1:18:01
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, it's very limited productions happening here that have the budget.
• 1:18:04
  Vipul Bindra: It's expensive.
• 1:18:05
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:18:05
  Vipul Bindra: It's the rental.
• 1:18:06
  Vipul Bindra: I mean, we have a few, you know, uh with rental houses.
• 1:18:09
  Vipul Bindra: But uh, like I said, it's it's limited budget, so you are limited to um, you know.
• 1:18:14
  Vipul Bindra: Again, the thing what happens is when they have limited budget, sure, could this rent a Alexa?
• 1:18:19
  Vipul Bindra: Absolutely, but then that budget goes away from other things, and usually you know, other things are more important than Alexa because the image difference, uh, you know, again, Alexa is better, but it's not that much better.
• 1:18:29
  Vipul Bindra: Oh, yeah, a better location and a better talent wouldn't make that difference.
• 1:18:34
  Guga Carvalho: And if the client wants to post the video on social media social media, it doesn't matter if you're using Alexa or Panavision or something, it's gonna look the same.
• 1:18:47
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, it's all compressed image.
• 1:18:48
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:18:50
  Guga Carvalho: So I kind of use my uh I think someone sent it to me a loot that transformed the S log to kind of uh is it the Phantom Luts?
• 1:19:05
  Vipul Bindra: Because I love the Phantom Luts.
• 1:19:06
  Guga Carvalho: No, it's not the Phantom.
• 1:19:07
  Guga Carvalho: Uh I don't remember the name because there's some there are many others out there.
• 1:19:11
  Vipul Bindra: The Phantom is a popular one, yeah.
• 1:19:12
  Guga Carvalho: A lot of people use it.
• 1:19:13
  Guga Carvalho: But uh a friend of mine that used Sony's uh just sent me the the the the file, then I just used that it in every single shoot.
• 1:19:22
  Vipul Bindra: I I don't know if I've done a video on this, but uh you gotta uh AI again.
• 1:19:28
  Vipul Bindra: I'm very much what people we don't use AI in like our actual creative projects, but AI has uses in other places.
• 1:19:35
  Vipul Bindra: So what I did, I used AI to create me an L zone LUT.
• 1:19:38
  Vipul Bindra: So I love the L zone system, but what I don't like, so I have one small HD monitor, the Cine7, right?
• 1:19:44
  Vipul Bindra: And then another one for receiving point is so I use that usually on my A camera, which is rented, like or usually a Barano or something like that.
• 1:19:50
  Vipul Bindra: Point is, and it has L zone and I love it.
• 1:19:52
  Vipul Bindra: Uh because you know it can show in stops versus IRE.
• 1:19:55
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah.
• 1:19:55
  Vipul Bindra: Uh but on the FX6s, FX3, I use uh HoloLens stuff because again, I've I need five monitors and five transmitters, it's just cheaper.
• 1:20:03
  Vipul Bindra: Uh and it works just fine for corporate stuff.
• 1:20:05
  Vipul Bindra: Point is my FX6s of Pyro, which doesn't have L zone.
• 1:20:09
  Vipul Bindra: So I was like, I want L Zone, how do I get it?
• 1:20:11
  Vipul Bindra: Well, guess what I did?
• 1:20:12
  Vipul Bindra: I literally went to Chat GPT and I not Chat GPT, uh Claude.
• 1:20:16
  Vipul Bindra: Claude and I was like, hey, make me uh an L zone LUT for S log 3, S C, you know, uh for FX6 or whatever, and use the same color.
• 1:20:26
  Vipul Bindra: So uh, you know, I I even uploaded the chart or whatever for L Zone.
• 1:20:30
  Vipul Bindra: Uh and it made me a LUT.
• 1:20:32
  Vipul Bindra: And it's my own LUT.
• 1:20:34
  Vipul Bindra: Obviously, I'm not sharing it anywhere, it's just for personal use.
• 1:20:36
  Vipul Bindra: Point is I said it needs to be like L Zone.
• 1:20:38
  Vipul Bindra: And I put the LUT and it works.
• 1:20:40
  Vipul Bindra: I could I I'll show you.
• 1:20:41
  Vipul Bindra: It's on my FX3, I put it on my FX2s, FX6s, you know, and uh uh so all I do is I have a button, you know, you just swap the LUT.
• 1:20:48
  Vipul Bindra: But I'm saying you can be creative with like AI.
• 1:20:51
  Vipul Bindra: Also, I'm saying I'm sure if you went to AI and told it to make you uh Ari LUT, it probably could get it.
• 1:20:56
  Vipul Bindra: I tried.
• 1:20:57
  Guga Carvalho: I tried to copy uh a LUT that I had and it didn't work.
• 1:21:03
  Guga Carvalho: Maybe it's my fault.
• 1:21:05
  Guga Carvalho: Maybe I didn't say that.
• 1:21:06
  Vipul Bindra: AIs can be like weird, but I also like agentec coding.
• 1:21:09
  Vipul Bindra: So not to make it all about AI, uh, but like I find a huge difference between where like LLMs are, but like because you know, agentech is LLM, but like better.
• 1:21:18
  Vipul Bindra: Like so, claude code is what I'm talking about.
• 1:21:20
  Vipul Bindra: It doesn't work the same way, so like it takes the same thing, but it reasons with it, if that makes sense, right?
• 1:21:25
  Vipul Bindra: Point is I got it in one try, and like I said, I'll show you's accurate.
• 1:21:29
  Vipul Bindra: I tested it again, so it's like so good.
• 1:21:32
  Vipul Bindra: But I know three months ago it couldn't have done that, so it's like improving really, really fast.
• 1:21:37
  Vipul Bindra: But I was able to, I was just surprised that one shot I was able to create an L zone LUT.
• 1:21:41
  Vipul Bindra: Took me then five seconds, you know, to load my cameras, and now I have L zone on my cameras that don't even support L zone.
• 1:21:47
  Vipul Bindra: Nice.
• 1:21:48
  Vipul Bindra: The only negative is obviously you have to put it as a LUT instead of like a button.
• 1:21:51
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, but again, if you program a shortcut, yeah, which is what I've done, it's the same thing, exactly.
• 1:21:55
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, and uh what I like is now I have access to L zone, now I can trust what I'm looking at because I prefer stops, you know.
• 1:22:01
  Vipul Bindra: Just in my brain, and I'm sure yours is a DP, it's so easier to understand stops because it's consistent.
• 1:22:06
  Vipul Bindra: I can go from FX6 to FX3 to FX2, versus, you know, with IRE, even though they're similar cameras, they're different, you know what I mean?
• 1:22:14
  Vipul Bindra: And I don't know.
• 1:22:15
  Vipul Bindra: And plus I was like, it cost me nothing.
• 1:22:17
  Vipul Bindra: It was just a minute of going.
• 1:22:19
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, exactly.
• 1:22:20
  Vipul Bindra: And I was like, but I was like, I wouldn't have even been able to think about it.
• 1:22:23
  Vipul Bindra: It just randomly came into my brain uh that you know, I want L Zone, how can I do it?
• 1:22:28
  Vipul Bindra: I was like, oh LUT, but then I was like, oh, they don't sell the LUT, let me try it.
• 1:22:31
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, and then and it worked great.
• 1:22:33
  Guga Carvalho: I think that's the a good way to use AI for like for us, you know.
• 1:22:39
  Guga Carvalho: Yeah, I don't I don't support like uh AI slop using in the videos and creating uh like uh oh I need uh uh something flying here and bro, don't do that, you know?
• 1:22:58
  Vipul Bindra: No, just no, yeah, no, and especially it looks fake.
• 1:23:01
  Vipul Bindra: I mean, I don't know in two years, like they said how I was able to create the LUT, maybe where it'll be, but right now I agree with you.
• 1:23:08
  Vipul Bindra: I think it needs to stay out of our creative work, but I have been really extensively using it for admin stuff, like you know, we were talking about before we started like emails and and proposals and stuff like that.
• 1:23:19
  Vipul Bindra: Like it's like oh yeah, it makes it so much faster because I don't want to deal with admin stuff, and that's where there's no creativity involved.
• 1:23:24
  Vipul Bindra: We just need to get a proposal out, we need to get an invoice out.
• 1:23:27
  Vipul Bindra: Like, why do you need to do that manually?
• 1:23:29
  Vipul Bindra: The boring stuff, yeah.
• 1:23:30
  Vipul Bindra: Exactly.
• 1:23:31
  Vipul Bindra: And there's no, it's not taking over my art form or what we are creating at the end of it.
• 1:23:35
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, it gives us more time to actually be on set to be able to edit and make more stuff.
• 1:23:39
  Vipul Bindra: So, yeah, not in the edit.
• 1:23:40
  Vipul Bindra: The only other place I've ever used AI is on this YouTube channel, just for that two thumbnails, because I don't have time to make them.
• 1:23:46
  Vipul Bindra: Like I said, this is like zero low effort stuff because I am a full-time filmmaker, that's 100% of the money.
• 1:23:52
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, and that's the whole point of this channel.
• 1:23:54
  Vipul Bindra: It's like listen from someone who doesn't give a crap about selling you anything.
• 1:23:57
  Vipul Bindra: But that also means I have no budget or time to do this.
• 1:24:00
  Vipul Bindra: So, what I've been using um is like Google's built in.
• 1:24:03
  Vipul Bindra: You don't have to do that.
• 1:24:04
  Vipul Bindra: I know that.
• 1:24:05
  Vipul Bindra: So on YouTube, what do you do is I upload the video and obviously picks the thumbnail, right?
• 1:24:08
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, but then it has an option that says generate and it'll generate automatically a thumbnail from the video.
• 1:24:15
  Vipul Bindra: It's it's nuts.
• 1:24:16
  Vipul Bindra: Wow.
• 1:24:16
  Vipul Bindra: It's AI, it doesn't look the best, but for a channel like mine where I don't really give a crap.
• 1:24:21
  Vipul Bindra: Wow, it's really useful.
• 1:24:23
  Vipul Bindra: But outside of that, yeah, I've I try to limit AI, you know, usage just because I I don't think it's there yet, personally.
• 1:24:29
  Vipul Bindra: Oh, yeah.
• 1:24:30
  Vipul Bindra: But I also don't know that I will never do because if it keeps getting better, you know, where in two years, like you're like saying adding some flying stuff, if it actually looks decent where I would hire a graphic artist to actually make it, like a visual effects artist, then I don't know.
• 1:24:46
  Vipul Bindra: But right now, no, I wouldn't use it.
• 1:24:48
  Vipul Bindra: But I think what's your stance?
• 1:24:49
  Vipul Bindra: You're probably like never, even if it gets really good.
• 1:24:53
  Guga Carvalho: No, I mean, like, I would never switch between like oh uh let's not hire uh video effects artist and then use AI, you know.
• 1:25:05
  Guga Carvalho: I feel like the future would be him using whatever stuff he needs to use to make his job a little bit easier or a little bit better.
• 1:25:19
  Vipul Bindra: You said that perfectly.
• 1:25:20
  Guga Carvalho: I agree now because that you would hire the visual artist.
• 1:25:23
  Vipul Bindra: Now he may not manually create that, you may use any.
• 1:25:26
  Guga Carvalho: Yeah, because he knows how to build in a way to make it make it look real and nice, yeah.
• 1:25:32
  Vipul Bindra: Exactly.
• 1:25:32
  Vipul Bindra: Instead of thinking yeah, that's why which is why there's so much slop, right?
• 1:25:36
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, exactly.
• 1:25:37
  Vipul Bindra: Which is why I refuse to use it in my videos for clients.
• 1:25:39
  Vipul Bindra: I had somebody approach me recently uh to do a video and they wanted it all with AI just because what they want to do is to be real, I get their perspective too.
• 1:25:46
  Vipul Bindra: They were like, we want to do this, it would be hundreds of people on screen.
• 1:25:49
  Vipul Bindra: They can't afford hundreds of people, they want to do it in a couple thousand.
• 1:25:52
  Vipul Bindra: You can't even get you know volunteers for that because just feeding them uh Lewis, our AD guy uh friend is sitting here, you would know 2,000 people, just feed them, you're out of the money.
• 1:26:00
  Vipul Bindra: So so they were like, hey, why don't we do this with AI?
• 1:26:03
  Vipul Bindra: And it it's okay if it looks fake because the whole point is to tell the story.
• 1:26:06
  Vipul Bindra: Uh-huh.
• 1:26:06
  Vipul Bindra: And and I was kinda in the middle.
• 1:26:08
  Vipul Bindra: Then I was like, you know what?
• 1:26:09
  Vipul Bindra: I don't know.
• 1:26:10
  Vipul Bindra: Because I'm like, it literally look fake, you know, like 2,000 people doing like a uh the easiest best way I could say civil war reenactment.
• 1:26:18
  Vipul Bindra: I was like, why don't you reach out to people who already do this?
• 1:26:21
  Vipul Bindra: And if they're when they're doing, we'll come and film it.
• 1:26:23
  Vipul Bindra: You know, that may be better, or maybe try to, I don't know, like change it something.
• 1:26:28
  Vipul Bindra: No, well, they can't.
• 1:26:29
  Vipul Bindra: The story that is the story is the World War II story, you know what I mean?
• 1:26:33
  Vipul Bindra: So or not civil.
• 1:26:34
  Vipul Bindra: But I'm saying it's an old story.
• 1:26:35
  Vipul Bindra: Okay, it needed that.
• 1:26:36
  Vipul Bindra: So so and they don't have the budget to to to re-enact it.
• 1:26:40
  Vipul Bindra: The point is, I I get the point, like there is the use, but right now it's not where I want to use it.
• 1:26:45
  Vipul Bindra: So I was like, I I did think about it for a minute.
• 1:26:47
  Vipul Bindra: I was like, but I was like, that's not the filmmaker I want to be.
• 1:26:50
  Vipul Bindra: You realize that job would be me sitting in front of a computer going generate thousand people, civil war, whatever, or some kind of war, world war, fighting.
• 1:27:00
  Guga Carvalho: And I'm like, Yeah, I feel like at least for me, I don't do filming just for just to see like a product or something, or maybe money or something.
• 1:27:13
  Guga Carvalho: I do because of like people around me.
• 1:27:17
  Guga Carvalho: I I do just to uh hang out with you guys in a film set or maybe like learn something new, you know.
• 1:27:27
  Guga Carvalho: That's that's the main reason why uh I do filmmaking and with AI, I I will be like you said, like in a room alone, you know, writing comments.
• 1:27:40
  Vipul Bindra: Right, yeah, writing like speaking with something with someone, yeah, who's not I wouldn't even call it someone, some computer, you're like, hey, make this.
• 1:27:49
  Vipul Bindra: But also thing is like, see, the thing is uh prompt engineering, it's this whole thing, like to be able to get good stuff out of AI.
• 1:27:55
  Vipul Bindra: Now to be real, I don't want to be anti AI again because I we do use AI, like I said.
• 1:27:59
  Vipul Bindra: Extensively.
• 1:28:00
  Vipul Bindra: Like we were talking about, I do own that second software company.
• 1:28:03
  Vipul Bindra: And what we're trying to achieve, which is gonna help a lot of filmmakers, but we couldn't even make that happen without AI because there's a reason why such tools for filmmakers don't exist, because it would cost, you know, a huge team of thousands of people to be able to do that manually.
• 1:28:19
  Vipul Bindra: I'm saying, and we're doing that with a small team.
• 1:28:22
  Vipul Bindra: Now it's still humans, like I was saying, but they are using AI as a tool because it makes you know one person be able to do the job of 10 people, is why we're gonna be able to bring these tools out at a price people can afford.
• 1:28:34
  Vipul Bindra: And I don't want to go too into it, like we said.
• 1:28:35
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, but the point is so so it has its uses, but I'm totally with you, not in the creative right now.
• 1:28:42
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, maybe eventually, which I saw a bit back.
• 1:28:44
  Vipul Bindra: This happened a few weeks back, but like uh Maddie Hipoya did a sponsorship thing, he's a popular YouTuber.
• 1:28:49
  Vipul Bindra: The whole Higgs field thing blew up, like people were hating on against him.
• 1:28:54
  Vipul Bindra: What's your perspective on that?
• 1:28:55
  Guga Carvalho: There's another there's another guy in Instagram who did the same thing, but uh yeah.
• 1:29:01
  Vipul Bindra: Oh, what somebody else, and then people were against him too.
• 1:29:04
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:29:04
  Vipul Bindra: I know the Maddie Hipoya story.
• 1:29:06
  Vipul Bindra: I don't know the which I met Maddie by the way, and he great guy.
• 1:29:08
  Vipul Bindra: So I felt bad, but also I get this.
• 1:29:11
  Vipul Bindra: I like him.
• 1:29:11
  Vipul Bindra: I also see the perspective though, filmmakers.
• 1:29:15
  Guga Carvalho: They're like, you know, you're promoting filmmaking, but then you're saying I think his only I feel like his only uh problem with that video was the shot of him riding in the the fucking like flying thing, something, yeah, whatever you call it.
• 1:29:29
  Vipul Bindra: Something I don't know, some made up creeping.
• 1:29:31
  Vipul Bindra: I think that was stupid looking.
• 1:29:33
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, like don't don't don't do that, yeah.
• 1:29:39
  Guga Carvalho: Yeah, but like like I said, like I feel like AI will be and will always be for us a tool, just a tool, yeah.
• 1:29:49
  Guga Carvalho: Like learn it how to use it, but don't don't like um take out jobs, yeah, you know.
• 1:29:58
  Vipul Bindra: No, I mean the the way I've thought about using like I don't do Instagram stuff, right?
• 1:30:02
  Vipul Bindra: But I know they're so effective because we'll do it for clients.
• 1:30:04
  Vipul Bindra: So I thought about it.
• 1:30:05
  Vipul Bindra: I was like, the whole thing in Instagram is like you need attention.
• 1:30:08
  Vipul Bindra: So I was like, oh, what if we're doing an ad?
• 1:30:10
  Vipul Bindra: You know, like you've started sorry, people will do random things in AI, like you know, just because uh not AI in in an Instagram ad just because attention.
• 1:30:17
  Vipul Bindra: So what I was like, oh, that'd be crazy if like you know, you did stuff like people show in AI videos, like you know, like a flame coming out here and there, and just so attention span grabbing.
• 1:30:27
  Vipul Bindra: And I was like, it'd be so easy to do that because good luck doing real fire or whatever, like you know, on set, you need way more safety precautions and costs.
• 1:30:34
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, but I'm saying you can do that with AI, and if I use that in an ad, which is like usy UGC, like phone shot, like it's nothing crazy.
• 1:30:41
  Vipul Bindra: Uh, but I haven't done that yet.
• 1:30:42
  Vipul Bindra: But I was thinking about it, I was like, that would be a way to get attention in a video without like, you know, like actually changing the ad.
• 1:30:48
  Vipul Bindra: It's more like you know, you're walking and you're talking about your brand, like, hey, come get a roof, because then your roof won't get caught catch on fire, and you do this and the roof catches fire and then stop.
• 1:30:56
  Vipul Bindra: You know what I mean?
• 1:30:57
  Vipul Bindra: Stuff like that.
• 1:30:57
  Vipul Bindra: It won't rain.
• 1:30:58
  Vipul Bindra: Now, could you do that?
• 1:30:59
  Vipul Bindra: Absolutely.
• 1:31:00
  Vipul Bindra: Now, right now I would do it by actually lighting up on fire or and you know, dropping water, heavy rain on it, which is easier to do than fire.
• 1:31:06
  Vipul Bindra: Point is there would be real cost to it.
• 1:31:08
  Vipul Bindra: Now I need to go to a roofing company, ask for 10, 20 grand minimum, I'm saying, to do something like that.
• 1:31:14
  Vipul Bindra: Um, versus I could try to do it.
• 1:31:16
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, I don't know how good it will be.
• 1:31:18
  Vipul Bindra: This is just a brain thought right now.
• 1:31:20
  Vipul Bindra: But that now, and that I know that video will do really well on on social media because that's the type of stuff people want to watch, right?
• 1:31:26
  Vipul Bindra: It's catchy, it's it's fast, yeah, gets the point.
• 1:31:28
  Vipul Bindra: Uh so stuff like that.
• 1:31:30
  Vipul Bindra: I'm saying, I don't know.
• 1:31:31
  Vipul Bindra: We're like, yeah, but I also like I don't know.
• 1:31:34
  Vipul Bindra: I'm anti using it in my projects, but I also see the use case of it.
• 1:31:38
  Vipul Bindra: So I keep going back and forth.
• 1:31:40
  Guga Carvalho: I mean, you I I kind of use AI in a way because uh I use I use um DaVinci, and DaVinci has AI, a lot of built-in, yeah, yeah, all over.
• 1:31:54
  Guga Carvalho: And so yeah, I'm using AI, but not for slop or something.
• 1:32:00
  Vipul Bindra: Exactly.
• 1:32:00
  Vipul Bindra: I know what you mean.
• 1:32:01
  Vipul Bindra: Like I love the masking features now.
• 1:32:03
  Vipul Bindra: We can the cleanest mask we can get now, we which would take forever now that you can do easily like change stuff, you know.
• 1:32:09
  Guga Carvalho: So I totally get the the audio part, yeah, cleaning it.
• 1:32:13
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, exactly.
• 1:32:14
  Vipul Bindra: There's no reason not to use AI there, yeah.
• 1:32:16
  Vipul Bindra: Whatever.
• 1:32:16
  Vipul Bindra: But at the same time, like I said, you don't want to make a flying monkey, you know, in your scene, unless it absolutely needs it.
• 1:32:22
  Vipul Bindra: I don't know.
• 1:32:23
  Vipul Bindra: But I also do I'm I'm I'm interested to see what the next year looks like.
• 1:32:28
  Vipul Bindra: Uh-huh.
• 1:32:28
  Vipul Bindra: Because like I said, the amount of change I've seen in just the last three months, it's like nuts, is what I'm saying.
• 1:32:34
  Vipul Bindra: Like the it's like doubling in performance.
• 1:32:36
  Vipul Bindra: It's like weird at the time where you know, like you went from 8-bit to 10-bit camera, you're like, whoa.
• 1:32:40
  Vipul Bindra: Oh, yeah.
• 1:32:40
  Vipul Bindra: So it's like it's changing, but like that's happening every three months.
• 1:32:43
  Vipul Bindra: So it's like, I don't even know no point investing in AI right now because it's like what you make today, which is where our point of slop is you make anything today in three months, it's gonna look trash.
• 1:32:52
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah.
• 1:32:52
  Vipul Bindra: And the next three months is gonna look trash.
• 1:32:54
  Vipul Bindra: So until it gets to a point where right now, like camera, you know, any camera you buy, it's like good enough.
• 1:32:59
  Vipul Bindra: You know what I mean?
• 1:33:00
  Vipul Bindra: Like a little bit different.
• 1:33:01
  Vipul Bindra: So it's like it's I feel like until AI gets there, there's no point using it because no matter what you create, it's gonna look old, yeah, tech, yeah.
• 1:33:09
  Vipul Bindra: I agree, but it's moving so fast.
• 1:33:10
  Vipul Bindra: Oh yeah, yeah.
• 1:33:11
  Vipul Bindra: Oh yeah.
• 1:33:12
  Vipul Bindra: But uh, but you know, I also think the anti-AI sentiment is more strong in US for some reason.
• 1:33:19
  Vipul Bindra: Do you feel that way?
• 1:33:20
  Vipul Bindra: In my opinion, not saying that people are for AI, but I find a lot of other countries, like people are not as anti-AI as much as US.
• 1:33:31
  Vipul Bindra: I think we are seeing a lot more anti-AI sentiment than the rest of the world.
• 1:33:35
  Vipul Bindra: Have you noticed that?
• 1:33:36
  Vipul Bindra: I didn't thought about it because I've seen like shorts and stories and like slop, which we would call slop, like actual short film in AI slop that's doing well in other markets that would not fly here.
• 1:33:47
  Guga Carvalho: Like you did that US the most comments would be slops, like so maybe it's uh a US thing, maybe uh just because here we have the production going on, Hollywood is here, so maybe that's why.
• 1:34:02
  Vipul Bindra: But uh but I think in general, American audiences are just rejecting AI, which is good, which is good for industry for us, but it's also seeing like crazy for me, like how Americans in general, not everyone, is this wholeheartedly like we don't want AI.
• 1:34:17
  Guga Carvalho: Usually once the Americ the American like uh market don't if they don't like AI, the rest is not gonna approve.
• 1:34:27
  Guga Carvalho: We do lead the yeah, the usually it's very rare to not not have so that may help us, obviously.
• 1:34:36
  Vipul Bindra: Like I said, it it may get popular.
• 1:34:37
  Vipul Bindra: We don't know.
• 1:34:38
  Vipul Bindra: You're here, we'll we'll catch up in a few years, we'll know.
• 1:34:40
  Vipul Bindra: But right now, the way it's moving, I don't even know what to do with it, what to make with it.
• 1:34:44
  Vipul Bindra: But it does help a lot in admin work and just save time and just you know, get more filmmaking done.
• 1:34:50
  Guga Carvalho: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:34:51
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah.
• 1:34:51
  Vipul Bindra: So what do you see what's next for you then?
• 1:34:53
  Vipul Bindra: I mean, you're already a DP, you're already shooting stuff, you're making content, you know.
• 1:34:57
  Vipul Bindra: I don't know.
• 1:34:58
  Guga Carvalho: I I need to shoot more.
• 1:35:00
  Guga Carvalho: It's never enough.
• 1:35:02
  Guga Carvalho: No, uh yeah, um, I think it was last week that we we rapped on uh Louis uh short film, and that was that was cool.
• 1:35:13
  Guga Carvalho: We still have to uh go over the the edits and all.
• 1:35:17
  Vipul Bindra: Are you editing that too?
• 1:35:18
  Vipul Bindra: Uh just helping him.
• 1:35:20
  Guga Carvalho: Uh yeah, I'm gonna help him.
• 1:35:21
  Guga Carvalho: I think he has to, yeah, right?
• 1:35:23
  Guga Carvalho: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:35:24
  Vipul Bindra: But you're the prime example.
• 1:35:25
  Vipul Bindra: Talk to me about that.
• 1:35:26
  Vipul Bindra: I think you you brought up something really cool because I know Lewis mentioned on his you know pod that he just reached out to you on LinkedIn.
• 1:35:32
  Vipul Bindra: Like you were a stranger to him.
• 1:35:33
  Vipul Bindra: Oh yeah.
• 1:35:34
  Vipul Bindra: And now, like you're collaborating, you're I bet I doubt he paid you for to do his short film.
• 1:35:38
  Vipul Bindra: There you go.
• 1:35:39
  Vipul Bindra: It's a friendship, right?
• 1:35:40
  Vipul Bindra: It's not just he should.
• 1:35:41
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, he should, but I mean, hey, he's worked for you free too.
• 1:35:44
  Vipul Bindra: So you know, it's like but what I'm trying to say is like, look, at the end, it's a collaboration, but it's a collaboration where you essentially are mentored him.
• 1:35:50
  Vipul Bindra: He came from Brazil.
• 1:35:52
  Vipul Bindra: Obviously, you do have that common in you, but what I'm saying is he reached out to you via LinkedIn of all places, and here you are now friends.
• 1:35:58
  Vipul Bindra: Quite literally, you're here to watch each other.
• 1:36:00
  Vipul Bindra: Do your episodes, you know, you're that that close, yeah.
• 1:36:04
  Vipul Bindra: You wouldn't let each other out of your sight, and that came from him reaching out to you and uh LinkedIn.
• 1:36:08
  Vipul Bindra: What was your perspective when you got that?
• 1:36:10
  Vipul Bindra: You know, him reaching out.
• 1:36:12
  Guga Carvalho: Uh, I thought that would be a great like start because I was I was coming uh back to Orlando.
• 1:36:23
  Guga Carvalho: So I thought, well, it's a good start to to like making some new connections and it's he's uh he's a new guy, a new like former student, uh alumni, and uh yeah, I don't know, another Brazilian.
• 1:36:40
  Guga Carvalho: I saw that he j did you already uh finish the the full sale back in the day?
• 1:36:51
  Vipul Bindra: Yes, no, uh I was like two months.
• 1:36:54
  Guga Carvalho: Yeah, so he was about to to graduate and I feel like yeah, I I I if I can help, I will help, so yeah, that's why I was like, okay, let's go.
• 1:37:08
  Vipul Bindra: That's crazy, right?
• 1:37:09
  Vipul Bindra: And this is what I would suggest to anyone listening.
• 1:37:11
  Vipul Bindra: They're like, you know, what they don't know what to do, or they don't have enough set experience, like reach out to people, you'd be surprised yeah, exactly.
• 1:37:18
  Vipul Bindra: Lego Google, or just in general, whoever's around you, because at the end of the day, look, here's the the fact of the thing is you know, he reached out to you.
• 1:37:27
  Vipul Bindra: Obviously, not only did you mentor him, but yeah, you've helped him, you know, bring him on set, help him get to where he is.
• 1:37:33
  Vipul Bindra: Uh, but you both are friends, you collaborate.
• 1:37:35
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, exactly.
• 1:37:37
  Vipul Bindra: Look at that.
• 1:37:38
  Vipul Bindra: Exactly.
• 1:37:38
  Vipul Bindra: And then you're collaborating, you're making something uh, you know, together.
• 1:37:42
  Vipul Bindra: And like I said, now you helped him on his thesis project, right?
• 1:37:45
  Vipul Bindra: For school.
• 1:37:46
  Vipul Bindra: So that to me is what filmmaking is.
• 1:37:48
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, it's just collaborating and building relationships, and that only happens by making an effort because he made an effort to reach out to you, but then you made an effort to actually help him out, right?
• 1:37:58
  Vipul Bindra: And connect and bring him to jobs and things like that.
• 1:38:01
  Vipul Bindra: And uh, you know, and it that brings lifelong bonding, kind of like like I said, have you met?
• 1:38:06
  Vipul Bindra: And here we are, you know, years later doing this podcast.
• 1:38:08
  Vipul Bindra: Took me two years to get you on here, but we got you.
• 1:38:10
  Vipul Bindra: You know what I mean?
• 1:38:11
  Vipul Bindra: Oops, uh, two seasons you you you you passed me.
• 1:38:15
  Guga Carvalho: Yeah, it has to be special.
• 1:38:16
  Guga Carvalho: Come on.
• 1:38:16
  Vipul Bindra: There you go.
• 1:38:17
  Vipul Bindra: It's hey, season three, and uh, but we got you on, and and that but that but that's the point, you know.
• 1:38:22
  Vipul Bindra: It's like you know, wouldn't have happened, like I said, you would I can't imagine doing both my commercial car commercials without you, but that wouldn't have happened had I not done that thing with you, right?
• 1:38:30
  Vipul Bindra: It's like it's a full circle thing, so it it takes a you know uh special person, I'm saying, to make it happen.
• 1:38:37
  Vipul Bindra: So yeah, um, so and I think that's what the takeaway is is like a lot of people I'm saying, you need to just reach out and connect with people and collaborate and just make stuff.
• 1:38:46
  Vipul Bindra: Money comes as long as you're talented and you know the people, right?
• 1:38:50
  Vipul Bindra: The best way to do both is just to go out and film, exactly.
• 1:38:53
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:38:54
  Vipul Bindra: So um now you've done you know this stuff.
• 1:38:58
  Vipul Bindra: Are you gonna stay in Orlando?
• 1:39:00
  Guga Carvalho: Are you planning to move or what's your I'm always all over the place.
• 1:39:04
  Guga Carvalho: Uh so next uh next month, I don't know what when are you gonna post this?
• 1:39:09
  Guga Carvalho: Soon.
• 1:39:10
  Guga Carvalho: Yeah, well, uh I have a date, but Thursdays at 8 a.m.
• 1:39:15
  Vipul Bindra: guys.
• 1:39:16
  Vipul Bindra: One of these Thursdays.
• 1:39:17
  Guga Carvalho: Yeah, but uh yeah, I have like a couple shoots in in LA.
• 1:39:20
  Guga Carvalho: I have a couple shoots in, sorry, not 8 a.m.
• 1:39:23
  Guga Carvalho: I can't even know my own podcast time yet.
• 1:39:25
  Guga Carvalho: Uh 9 a.m.
• 1:39:26
  Guga Carvalho: here or 9 a.m.
• 1:39:28
  Guga Carvalho: Yeah, eastern, eastern.
• 1:39:29
  Vipul Bindra: What are the time?
• 1:39:30
  Vipul Bindra: This is in Orlando, yeah.
• 1:39:31
  Vipul Bindra: But like there's no it's not gonna be LA time.
• 1:39:34
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah I don't know.
• 1:39:36
  Vipul Bindra: I don't know, man.
• 1:39:39
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, 9 a.m.
• 1:39:40
  Vipul Bindra: Eastern.
• 1:39:40
  Vipul Bindra: But you know, hey, very few people watch actually live.
• 1:39:44
  Vipul Bindra: Most are gonna listen on Spotify and Apple and that's where I see most of the the things.
• 1:39:48
  Vipul Bindra: So they're probably listening to this on their drive or in their toilet, so it's fine, you know.
• 1:39:52
  Vipul Bindra: We can not worry about it.
• 1:39:53
  Vipul Bindra: Hear somebody flushing, right?
• 1:39:56
  Vipul Bindra: Anyway, yeah, it happened.
• 1:39:58
  Guga Carvalho: Uh yeah, but uh yeah, I have a couple shoots.
• 1:40:02
  Guga Carvalho: Um I have something in uh Vegas as well.
• 1:40:06
  Guga Carvalho: Events in the how do you find these?
• 1:40:09
  Vipul Bindra: So, like how do you find these jobs, man?
• 1:40:12
  Guga Carvalho: How do you um there's a website called Um Staff Me Up?
• 1:40:21
  Guga Carvalho: That one was from Staff Me Up.
• 1:40:24
  Vipul Bindra: Okay, look at that.
• 1:40:24
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, so they're hiring you from Orlando to go all the way to Vegas from Staff Me Up.
• 1:40:28
  Vipul Bindra: That's crazy.
• 1:40:28
  Vipul Bindra: Did you have to look for Vegas jobs or was it?
• 1:40:30
  Vipul Bindra: No, no, no.
• 1:40:31
  Guga Carvalho: It was it was in on my feed.
• 1:40:33
  Guga Carvalho: I was like, oh, I I I can do that.
• 1:40:36
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah.
• 1:40:36
  Vipul Bindra: So how do you approach that?
• 1:40:37
  Vipul Bindra: Do you like already give them a total with travel, or you're saying, hey, it's gonna be this much plus travel and they're okay to pay that?
• 1:40:44
  Vipul Bindra: Like, how are you pricing these out?
• 1:40:46
  Guga Carvalho: Uh I I do I do the whole budget thing, send them and with all.
• 1:40:50
  Guga Carvalho: Yeah, including.
• 1:40:52
  Guga Carvalho: So you do the breakdown and stuff?
• 1:40:53
  Guga Carvalho: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:40:54
  Vipul Bindra: And you think, why'd you pick the they pick you?
• 1:40:57
  Vipul Bindra: Obviously, you're talented.
• 1:40:58
  Vipul Bindra: That was the thing, or they you are the cheapest.
• 1:41:00
  Vipul Bindra: Like, how do you because it's a because there's talented filmmakers in Vegas too, right?
• 1:41:04
  Vipul Bindra: I'm just trying to think, and but we both obviously go to Vegas to shoot.
• 1:41:08
  Vipul Bindra: So, what I'm trying to say is how do you make that proposal?
• 1:41:10
  Vipul Bindra: Because different when they know you, they want you.
• 1:41:12
  Vipul Bindra: This is like they don't know you.
• 1:41:13
  Vipul Bindra: How are you selling that it's worth to bring you out to do this?
• 1:41:18
  Guga Carvalho: Maybe it's my my expertise because I have a lot of um um events credit on my on my page on my uh um portfolio and all.
• 1:41:29
  Guga Carvalho: So maybe that that's makes sense.
• 1:41:31
  Guga Carvalho: That's it.
• 1:41:32
  Guga Carvalho: Yeah, um, but yeah, um I don't think it's the price because I think it will be cheaper to just to hire someone there.
• 1:41:41
  Guga Carvalho: Yeah.
• 1:41:42
  Guga Carvalho: So yeah.
• 1:41:43
  Vipul Bindra: But I think they hire you because, like you said, you have a lot of experience.
• 1:41:46
  Vipul Bindra: And then you so you you basically put what your rate in and then your experience in there, and then they decide pretty much so you don't do anything special, I'm saying, on this no, not on this, no.
• 1:41:55
  Guga Carvalho: Because it's just that.
• 1:41:56
  Guga Carvalho: Okay.
• 1:41:56
  Guga Carvalho: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:41:57
  Vipul Bindra: How else do you find work?
• 1:41:58
  Vipul Bindra: What uh I'm just trying to think of people because those are the questions people want to know.
• 1:42:02
  Vipul Bindra: Like, how do you get jobs?
• 1:42:03
  Vipul Bindra: You know, how do you get hired?
• 1:42:04
  Vipul Bindra: So how do you find your best jobs?
• 1:42:06
  Vipul Bindra: You know, I know we talked about the other one, which was a friend.
• 1:42:08
  Vipul Bindra: This one's Staff Me Up, which is a popular website.
• 1:42:11
  Vipul Bindra: What what other avenues do you suggest or at least you get your work from?
• 1:42:16
  Guga Carvalho: Um I just know um some um not production companies, uh production agency, uh not production, um agencies, marketing agencies.
• 1:42:27
  Guga Carvalho: And usually their brands needs video for something, uh, even if it's just uh for business.
• 1:42:37
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah.
• 1:42:37
  Vipul Bindra: And do you generally just shoot or do you do both shoot and edit?
• 1:42:40
  Vipul Bindra: What do you find majority?
• 1:42:42
  Guga Carvalho: I usually just shoot.
• 1:42:43
  Guga Carvalho: I do edit as well.
• 1:42:44
  Guga Carvalho: I always offered, but sometimes they are they already have their their editors and all.
• 1:42:51
  Guga Carvalho: But uh yeah, I I I can do the both.
• 1:42:55
  Vipul Bindra: Okay, and you use resolve, right?
• 1:42:56
  Vipul Bindra: You said resolve, yeah.
• 1:42:58
  Vipul Bindra: Okay, yeah, yeah.
• 1:42:58
  Guga Carvalho: That's awesome.
• 1:42:59
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, so when they're hiring you, do you do like just one rate that brings your camera package with it, or do you generally do here's my rate and here's camera like kit fee or whatever?
• 1:43:11
  Guga Carvalho: Do you break it down or do you it depends on the client and uh on the type of uh shoot that uh that I'm gonna do?
• 1:43:19
  Guga Carvalho: Uh sometimes I have to be very like descriptive and put everything there, and sometimes even like separate uh editing from shooting.
• 1:43:32
  Guga Carvalho: And sometimes it's just like oh, it's like a one-day or two-day uh event, uh same day edit and all.
• 1:43:43
  Guga Carvalho: I just put like my my daily rate and that's all I can I can do.
• 1:43:48
  Guga Carvalho: If if I feel like will be something easy, yeah, I'll do that.
• 1:43:53
  Guga Carvalho: If not, if it's gonna be like all uh I don't know, three people to to um to follow and oh I I need like a AC or a uh gaffer or something like that, then I will like go more.
• 1:44:13
  Vipul Bindra: So do you charge based on like um like what you're filming?
• 1:44:17
  Vipul Bindra: So you know I know some DPs have like a day rate.
• 1:44:19
  Vipul Bindra: They're like this is my day rate.
• 1:44:20
  Vipul Bindra: I don't care if I'm doing this sort of that or whatever.
• 1:44:22
  Vipul Bindra: Do you charge based on just have a day rate, or do you do like oh, this is like just an event shoot, so I'll charge less.
• 1:44:27
  Vipul Bindra: So this is a big commercial, I'll charge more, or this is Coca-Cola, I'm charging kind of you know what I mean.
• 1:44:32
  Vipul Bindra: Do you charge based on a client or do you have a fixed day rate?
• 1:44:34
  Guga Carvalho: Like I have a fixed uh a fixed day rate, but usually I just use based on clients and projects.
• 1:44:45
  Guga Carvalho: Yeah, and just because I don't I feel like I don't have the expertise enough to go, oh, that's my day rate.
• 1:44:56
  Guga Carvalho: Go figure out, yeah, exactly.
• 1:44:58
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:45:00
  Guga Carvalho: I need I need to find jobs, so yeah, you need money, of course.
• 1:45:04
  Vipul Bindra: And I mean that's so does everyone, which is the whole point.
• 1:45:06
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, uh, you know, that that's my entire goal.
• 1:45:08
  Vipul Bindra: I'm tired of you know, not that you know we are staged, but I'm saying so many people are like can't make this a full-time career because they are bills to pay and it is inconsistent.
• 1:45:16
  Vipul Bindra: Let's be real.
• 1:45:17
  Vipul Bindra: Anything freelance or yeah, um, you know, independent production company or whatever is gonna be very inconsistent.
• 1:45:22
  Vipul Bindra: So you need to find a way to get jobs uh which can come in all sorts of random ways, you know.
• 1:45:29
  Guga Carvalho: And and I don't and I don't don't just do uh DP, I I do uh AC for you, uh Gaffer, grip, whatever need, you know.
• 1:45:38
  Vipul Bindra: So exactly, you gotta be versatile.
• 1:45:40
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, like anything there.
• 1:45:41
  Vipul Bindra: Like, come on.
• 1:45:43
  Vipul Bindra: Give me a foot rubber, like I'm there, yeah, especially if it's Lewis.
• 1:45:46
  Guga Carvalho: Exactly, yeah.
• 1:45:48
  Guga Carvalho: No, but I I prefer I always prefer like going out and do work or film something.
• 1:45:54
  Guga Carvalho: Yeah, then sit at home, right?
• 1:45:56
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:45:56
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, exactly.
• 1:45:57
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, no, I totally get that.
• 1:45:58
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, we don't want to sit at home, like it's a very active lifestyle that we live.
• 1:46:01
  Vipul Bindra: So in that way, I'm saying you want to be on set, you don't want to be in front of a computer, right?
• 1:46:05
  Vipul Bindra: Which is my entire life's biggest annoyance thing.
• 1:46:09
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:46:09
  Vipul Bindra: Anything admin we have to do just because oh yeah, it's so annoying, or meetings or calls, people want to get on calls, and most of the calls are stupid.
• 1:46:17
  Vipul Bindra: I I've very rarely been on a call where I learned something new, you know, like uh where it's like, oh wow, I needed to know this.
• 1:46:23
  Vipul Bindra: Like cool, yeah.
• 1:46:24
  Vipul Bindra: It's usually like, okay, so this person's gonna be there, it's gonna be there, this is gonna be this.
• 1:46:27
  Vipul Bindra: And I'm like, this could have been just yeah, send me the script, like I got you, and a reference frame.
• 1:46:31
  Vipul Bindra: That's all most corporate stuff.
• 1:46:32
  Vipul Bindra: I'm saying Marcel, I get it.
• 1:46:34
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, I'm saying most corporate jobs are uh I need a reference frame, and if there's any scripts or anything, and that's really it.
• 1:46:42
  Vipul Bindra: Because we've done this a million times.
• 1:46:44
  Vipul Bindra: There's nothing really we need to know.
• 1:46:46
  Vipul Bindra: But I'm saying, but so many times we just have to sit on a call and I'm like, why am I on this call?
• 1:46:52
  Vipul Bindra: Or a lot of times it's just them talking because you know they'll have an agency and the client that they're talking.
• 1:46:56
  Vipul Bindra: I'm just in there as a production partner, whatever you mean to call it, and it's like uh just listening.
• 1:47:01
  Guga Carvalho: Yeah, I'm like, okay, mm-hmm.
• 1:47:03
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, can you be there on 8 a.m.?
• 1:47:04
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, we'll be there at 8 a.m., which is already on the schedule.
• 1:47:08
  Vipul Bindra: It's like, okay, really, you bring two cameras?
• 1:47:10
  Vipul Bindra: Yes, we will bring two cameras.
• 1:47:11
  Vipul Bindra: You know, it's like that's usually the what it is, and I'm like laughing as it's like, but then again, it's part of our business, though.
• 1:47:16
  Vipul Bindra: You can't say no because then you don't get hired because yeah, it is part of it, you know.
• 1:47:21
  Guga Carvalho: Yeah, it's good to have a good relationship with yeah, exactly.
• 1:47:25
  Vipul Bindra: But I do love that though.
• 1:47:26
  Vipul Bindra: Uh, and I'm sure you have a perspective on that.
• 1:47:29
  Vipul Bindra: Once you build a relationship, though, jobs get so much easier because it's like once you trust someone, uh my best clients, I never have to do the race thing.
• 1:47:38
  Vipul Bindra: Because my biggest thing is, you know, and and again, that may be my issue.
• 1:47:41
  Vipul Bindra: I do work at a very big scale, right?
• 1:47:43
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, uh small jobs and big jobs, so it could be really low to like I said, nothing to really, really high.
• 1:47:49
  Vipul Bindra: And the problem then happens is like when you're have a new client, you have to figure out where they fit.
• 1:47:54
  Vipul Bindra: Because, like you, I want the job, but I I don't want to scare them off or char undercharge them and underdeliver.
• 1:48:00
  Vipul Bindra: Point is that's why I love like my best clients.
• 1:48:02
  Vipul Bindra: I literally, and you've worked a few times, they also know, so I just literally say, What's your budget?
• 1:48:06
  Vipul Bindra: And they tell me the budget, and that's perfect because I can then just as long as obviously, unless it's reason unreasonable, but generally it is actually it's always comes out cheaper than I would have sent the rate in.
• 1:48:16
  Vipul Bindra: Very rarely will they say a budget where I'm like, Oh, I'm getting more money, but it helps me because now it's like as long as I can do it, yeah, easy peasy, yeah.
• 1:48:25
  Vipul Bindra: Sign contract.
• 1:48:25
  Vipul Bindra: They that for them too, they don't need approval, they don't need to talk about it.
• 1:48:29
  Vipul Bindra: They like it's the process is so easy with them saying repeat clients.
• 1:48:32
  Vipul Bindra: They call, here's what I need.
• 1:48:34
  Vipul Bindra: What's the budget?
• 1:48:35
  Vipul Bindra: Uh okay, I can do that.
• 1:48:37
  Vipul Bindra: Proposal, sign, payment, let's go.
• 1:48:40
  Vipul Bindra: You know, I mean, it's so easy.
• 1:48:42
  Vipul Bindra: It's yeah, and and you get 10 of those, your life is set.
• 1:48:45
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, it's always I'm saying the the people you're not familiar with, and I totally get that from their perspective, yeah, right?
• 1:48:50
  Vipul Bindra: Because they're scared, they don't know what they're getting.
• 1:48:52
  Vipul Bindra: You get swindling them or whatever.
• 1:48:53
  Vipul Bindra: So they don't give you budget.
• 1:48:54
  Vipul Bindra: I don't have when you tell me.
• 1:48:56
  Vipul Bindra: And then you stand, they're like, no, not that much.
• 1:48:58
  Vipul Bindra: So you had a budget, yeah.
• 1:48:59
  Vipul Bindra: How much is it?
• 1:49:00
  Vipul Bindra: You know, or give me a reference frame because you know, I can then tell you how much it would cost to create that quality.
• 1:49:05
  Vipul Bindra: You know, I don't know what it is.
• 1:49:06
  Vipul Bindra: Is it just a person with a camera?
• 1:49:08
  Vipul Bindra: It'd be really cheap.
• 1:49:09
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, you know, if you want a light, maybe a little bit more, but if you want fancy stuff, you know, like fancy interview, cinema glass, you know, I don't know, it's gonna be expensive.
• 1:49:18
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, so it's it's like sliding scale, and and but it's it's hard.
• 1:49:22
  Vipul Bindra: Well, how do you approach that?
• 1:49:23
  Vipul Bindra: Do you have that issue as well?
• 1:49:24
  Guga Carvalho: Uh actually, I don't have that kind of issue because usually it if I have like a like a uh uh a client that already approached me other times and all, uh and I I used to work with them, uh they already know my price and if uh maybe if it's like something way different than that uh than the other stuff that I already did for them, maybe I I'll have to explain and and Put all the the prices and all and maybe change it some stuff, or maybe like, oh, that's my budget.
• 1:50:08
  Guga Carvalho: Can you do it?
• 1:50:09
  Guga Carvalho: Usually it's just like, oh, uh, are you free this this day?
• 1:50:14
  Guga Carvalho: Yeah, let's go.
• 1:50:15
  Guga Carvalho: And then you easily know how much it would be.
• 1:50:19
  Guga Carvalho: So yeah.
• 1:50:19
  Guga Carvalho: That makes it easy.
• 1:50:21
  Vipul Bindra: You just keep it simple.
• 1:50:21
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah.
• 1:50:22
  Vipul Bindra: You know, yeah.
• 1:50:22
  Vipul Bindra: I think that's a good business practice, man.
• 1:50:25
  Vipul Bindra: Just keeping it simple.
• 1:50:26
  Vipul Bindra: And that's what I'm saying.
• 1:50:26
  Vipul Bindra: It may just be my thing, and and and that's just because it's sliding scale.
• 1:50:30
  Vipul Bindra: Because you can hire just one DP, which is pretty similar to your process.
• 1:50:35
  Vipul Bindra: Too we want 20 people and we want this and we want that, and we want an arm and a leg, and you know, some food.
• 1:50:43
  Vipul Bindra: The biggest one is they want crafty and they don't expense how expensive crafty is you know how it starts to get expensive.
• 1:50:49
  Vipul Bindra: Oh, yeah.
• 1:50:50
  Vipul Bindra: So you have to factor all that in.
• 1:50:51
  Vipul Bindra: You know, it's not gonna just be easily done.
• 1:50:53
  Vipul Bindra: But that's that's pretty good, man.
• 1:50:55
  Vipul Bindra: Like I said, it's it's pretty cool.
• 1:50:56
  Vipul Bindra: I've had such a fun time collaborating with you on things from your your commercial to my commercial to just corporate job, like the one we did for Jason.
• 1:51:05
  Vipul Bindra: It's just all crazy.
• 1:51:06
  Vipul Bindra: Which is your favorite one?
• 1:51:08
  Vipul Bindra: Have you had a favorite one?
• 1:51:10
  Vipul Bindra: I mean, probably the Dama one, I'm guessing.
• 1:51:13
  Guga Carvalho: Wait, the my favorite project ever.
• 1:51:15
  Guga Carvalho: Ever.
• 1:51:16
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:51:17
  Vipul Bindra: Damn.
• 1:51:18
  Guga Carvalho: I think my favorite my favorite one was one in that I did in LA.
• 1:51:23
  Guga Carvalho: I was uh an AC.
• 1:51:25
  Guga Carvalho: Uh it was a music video for Bad Bunny.
• 1:51:31
  Guga Carvalho: Oh, yeah.
• 1:51:32
  Vipul Bindra: Bad Bunny.
• 1:51:32
  Vipul Bindra: That's a big one.
• 1:51:33
  Guga Carvalho: I I shot in one day, not the whole thing, but I I was in just one day there.
• 1:51:40
  Guga Carvalho: Uh the production was in a desert in the middle of nowhere, like nowhere.
• 1:51:48
  Guga Carvalho: Um it was hot as hell.
• 1:51:52
  Guga Carvalho: I almost I almost died there because it was so hot.
• 1:51:57
  Guga Carvalho: But uh it was cool.
• 1:51:59
  Guga Carvalho: We had a a dolly track with a piano.
• 1:52:04
  Guga Carvalho: The girl was like singing and all.
• 1:52:08
  Guga Carvalho: And we shot with a Ari Cam film.
• 1:52:13
  Guga Carvalho: It was cool.
• 1:52:14
  Vipul Bindra: Oh, it was actual film?
• 1:52:15
  Vipul Bindra: It was film.
• 1:52:16
  Vipul Bindra: Oh wow, yeah, yeah.
• 1:52:17
  Vipul Bindra: That's pretty cool.
• 1:52:18
  Guga Carvalho: And the funny enough, the director wasn't there, it was just me, the other uh camera guy, his camera crew, and the DP.
• 1:52:26
  Guga Carvalho: The director was in London, and then they had to was it remote directing or yeah, it was totally remote directing.
• 1:52:34
  Guga Carvalho: They had to like uh call a guy to put like a uh I I don't think it was at the time it was the Starlink.
• 1:52:45
  Guga Carvalho: I don't think it was Starlink, it was something else, yeah.
• 1:52:48
  Guga Carvalho: But uh there's like a a whole van for it.
• 1:52:52
  Vipul Bindra: Oh, like uh one of those OB type.
• 1:52:54
  Vipul Bindra: I don't know what you're talking about, like some kind of internet van.
• 1:52:57
  Guga Carvalho: Yeah, yeah, it's crazy.
• 1:52:59
  Guga Carvalho: And we had like 12 hours to shoot 30 seconds, it was just the opening, yeah.
• 1:53:08
  Vipul Bindra: That's crazy.
• 1:53:09
  Vipul Bindra: But that's the that was fun, yeah.
• 1:53:11
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, what was the cruise size on that one?
• 1:53:13
  Guga Carvalho: Uh I think we had 50 people, yeah.
• 1:53:17
  Guga Carvalho: That's crazy.
• 1:53:17
  Guga Carvalho: Around, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:53:19
  Vipul Bindra: But it is bad bunny, so it'd be a yeah, it was huge.
• 1:53:22
  Guga Carvalho: He wasn't there, but oh, he wasn't even there, because yeah, it's open.
• 1:53:25
  Guga Carvalho: It was the other girl, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:53:27
  Guga Carvalho: Yeah, but uh that's funny.
• 1:53:28
  Guga Carvalho: The name of the the the music video was uh Lo Siento Bebe.
• 1:53:34
  Vipul Bindra: I gotta go check it out.
• 1:53:35
  Vipul Bindra: That's cool.
• 1:53:36
  Vipul Bindra: So that's all you did in that you did that opening sequence, basically, which is so crazy, right?
• 1:53:40
  Vipul Bindra: And this is what I'm talking about.
• 1:53:41
  Vipul Bindra: Like talk about scale, it just gets crazy, you know.
• 1:53:45
  Vipul Bindra: Like, and here we are.
• 1:53:46
  Vipul Bindra: I just did a meeting with someone who who wanted to just get advice for moving the music video to corporate, and he was talking about how he does single person, he does music videos, and he's charging like 500 bucks, 600 bucks for the whole thing, like shooting, editing, everything.
• 1:54:01
  Vipul Bindra: And I'm like, that's crazy.
• 1:54:02
  Vipul Bindra: And this one person, you know, you're doing everything.
• 1:54:04
  Vipul Bindra: And I'm like, the scale difference is nuts from you know this to that, but that's what it takes, you know.
• 1:54:11
  Vipul Bindra: That's what it takes to get it done right, and and I'm sure there's millions of scales in the middle, and you fit right wherein.
• 1:54:17
  Vipul Bindra: Oh, yeah.
• 1:54:18
  Vipul Bindra: All right, awesome, man.
• 1:54:19
  Vipul Bindra: Well, this has been a great conversation, Guga.
• 1:54:22
  Vipul Bindra: Before we go, anything else you want to touch on or talk about?
• 1:54:25
  Vipul Bindra: No, I don't think so.
• 1:54:27
  Vipul Bindra: Was it that bad now that you've done it?
• 1:54:29
  Guga Carvalho: No, it wasn't right.
• 1:54:30
  Vipul Bindra: It's just a conversation, bro.
• 1:54:31
  Guga Carvalho: I was I was nervous.
• 1:54:33
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, but you're my most nervous guest.
• 1:54:34
  Vipul Bindra: I'm still nervous.
• 1:54:35
  Vipul Bindra: Is it me?
• 1:54:38
  Vipul Bindra: Am I making you nervous?
• 1:54:39
  Vipul Bindra: No, you still don't know.
• 1:54:39
  Guga Carvalho: No, no, it's it's it's everything, you know?
• 1:54:43
  Guga Carvalho: But uh yeah, I think you had a great perspective.
• 1:54:45
  Vipul Bindra: Hopefully, people learn.
• 1:54:46
  Vipul Bindra: Look, you've freaking uh helped on a music video for Bad Bunny.
• 1:54:50
  Vipul Bindra: People want to learn from you.
• 1:54:51
  Vipul Bindra: You're a cool guy, but no, I appreciate you good.
• 1:54:53
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, tell people where they can follow you, man.
• 1:54:55
  Guga Carvalho: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:54:56
  Guga Carvalho: Uh well, follow me on Instagram.
• 1:54:58
  Guga Carvalho: You can uh you can find me on um V-H E G-U-G-A Carvalho.
• 1:55:07
  Guga Carvalho: Yeah, that's spell that Lear Last C-A-R-V-A-L-H.
• 1:55:13
  Vipul Bindra: The Guga Carvalho.
• 1:55:14
  Vipul Bindra: Is that you say it?
• 1:55:16
  Vipul Bindra: Okay, look at that.
• 1:55:16
  Vipul Bindra: My Brazilian D P.
• 1:55:17
  Vipul Bindra: No, you you guys are amazing, you're extremely talented, bro.
• 1:55:21
  Vipul Bindra: I love uh collaborating with you.
• 1:55:23
  Vipul Bindra: Every single time I've collaborated with you.
• 1:55:24
  Vipul Bindra: You know, you can tell.
• 1:55:25
  Vipul Bindra: What I'm saying is, and this is again, just not to repeat myself, but like when you're talented, you don't have to tell people you're talented.
• 1:55:32
  Vipul Bindra: You just come and do your thing, you do it to your best of ability.
• 1:55:35
  Vipul Bindra: And that's what I love about you, and I think the rest of the Brazilian crew we have, everyone is humble, you know.
• 1:55:40
  Vipul Bindra: Humility is this such an incredibly, you know, not talked about I'm saying art thing personality-wise.
• 1:55:46
  Vipul Bindra: So you would both very humble, but at the same time extremely talented.
• 1:55:49
  Vipul Bindra: And that's what I like to hang out with.
• 1:55:51
  Vipul Bindra: I like to hang out with people who are fun, who are humble, but talented, so we can actually get it done without egos coming into place, you know?
• 1:55:57
  Vipul Bindra: I agree.
• 1:55:58
  Vipul Bindra: Because uh, and and like I said, I love collaborating with you.
• 1:56:00
  Vipul Bindra: Hopefully, we'll get to do a lot more projects together.
• 1:56:02
  Vipul Bindra: But thank you for coming, thank you for overcoming your fear.
• 1:56:05
  Vipul Bindra: And it was great having you.
• 1:56:06
  Vipul Bindra: But until next episode on Studio B sessions, Thursdays at 9 a.m.
• 1:56:11
  Vipul Bindra: See ya.
• 1:56:12
  Vipul Bindra: Bye.