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Andor - Season 1, Part 1 · Project Geekology

• 0:00
  Speaker 1: Welcome to episode 118 of Project Geekology.
• 0:04
  Speaker 1: And now that you're tuning in, we were actually just in the middle of planning our heist.
• 0:09
  Speaker 1: We're trying to steal a whole bunch of credits from the Imperials.
• 0:16
  Speaker 1: So you know, listen in as our plans unfold on this heist.
• 0:22
  Speaker 1: You're not supposed to tell these people what we're doing in advance of our heist I am one of your hosts, anthony, and this week we are covering the first six episodes of season one of andor.
• 0:36
  Speaker 1: Joining me, as always, is dakota, and yeah, we're.
• 0:42
  Speaker 2: We were at least planning on stealing, you know, a whole quarter's worth of Imperial payroll for the sector, but that's out the window.
• 0:50
  Speaker 2: You might as well tell them it was on Aldani and right on that Alkenzi airstrip.
• 0:56
  Speaker 2: That's what we were going to do.
• 0:58
  Speaker 2: We're going to go to the next sector, though.
• 0:59
  Speaker 2: We're going to figure something out.
• 1:01
  Speaker 2: Yes, my name is Dakota.
• 1:02
  Speaker 2: We're doing Andor.
• 1:03
  Speaker 2: I'm really excited, specifically the first six episodes of andor, season one.
• 1:10
  Speaker 2: Next week, we're gonna do the final six episodes of the first season of andor and, yeah, we are also joined with rich and I just gotta say you guys gotta keep screwing it up.
• 1:19
  Speaker 3: Your uncle harlow would be so disappointed in you, anthony.
• 1:24
  Speaker 3: He keeps giving you these opportunities and then you throw them all away.
• 1:30
  Speaker 3: Yes, you are joined this week by your favorite character, cyril's mom.
• 1:36
  Speaker 3: It's a pleasure to be here.
• 1:39
  Speaker 4: I'm sure that was pretty good.
• 1:41
  Speaker 2: I wasn't sure which character that was at first, because a lot of uh, a lot of accent going on there in my head.
• 1:49
  Speaker 1: You were the like that I think you're impersonating your uncle, or something I thought he was impersonating that secretary from like monsters inc.
• 1:57
  Speaker 1: Oh, yes, yes like a guy version it's kind of.
• 2:02
  Speaker 4: it's kind of like an amalgam of, really, my mother-in-law and that lady from Monsters Inc and the mother from Andor.
• 2:09
  Speaker 2: Cyril's mom has a much scratchier voice.
• 2:12
  Speaker 2: There is accent there.
• 2:14
  Speaker 2: I think it's more British than anything but it's like I can't even do it.
• 2:21
  Speaker 4: It's so terrible.
• 2:22
  Speaker 4: We're going to hear a lot about that lady, but I don't like her not a fan great actress, though good in a pinch, if you got the mentors around.
• 2:31
  Speaker 2: Agreed, agreed, that's right, that's right all right, all righty.
• 2:35
  Speaker 1: So let's kind of start this off rich.
• 2:38
  Speaker 1: What have you been up to, oh?
• 2:39
  Speaker 4: let's.
• 2:40
  Speaker 4: Let's see.
• 2:40
  Speaker 4: I've been playing ml as always, attending way too many met games.
• 2:45
  Speaker 4: I'm actually thinking about getting the Oblivion remaster.
• 2:48
  Speaker 4: I remember I bought Oblivion and traded it in and bought it again and then traded it in and bought it a third time, because I remember being so overwhelmed by the game.
• 3:03
  Speaker 4: I started playing the first time and my friend came over and he's like, how are you dealing with the gates?
• 3:08
  Speaker 4: And I was like, what are the gates?
• 3:09
  Speaker 4: And then when the gate started, I was like, oh no, so I'm a little hesitant, just because the price point.
• 3:17
  Speaker 4: I don't know if I want to pay $50 for a remaster of a game from 2007.
• 3:22
  Speaker 4: But a student threw down a gauntlet this week and he wants to know if he's able to beat oblivion remaster before the end of the school year, if that can count as his portfolio for the class.
• 3:36
  Speaker 4: And I said yes, because I don't think he's going to be able to do it.
• 3:40
  Speaker 4: I just don't.
• 3:41
  Speaker 4: I mean, they made the leveling easier but I just, I just don't think he's gonna be able to do it.
• 3:46
  Speaker 4: So, uh, I uh.
• 3:48
  Speaker 4: And, by the way, just as a side note, I never give hundreds.
• 3:51
  Speaker 4: I teach honors level classes and I kind of say you know you can't be perfect, so you can't get a hundred.
• 3:57
  Speaker 4: So this, I'm breaking my own rule just to see if this child can beat oblivion.
• 4:03
  Speaker 1: Remastered rule, just to see if this child can beat oblivion, remastered.
• 4:08
  Speaker 4: Like how would you even know if he did?
• 4:09
  Speaker 4: Like.
• 4:09
  Speaker 4: Oh, he's loyal.
• 4:09
  Speaker 4: He's sending me screenshots.
• 4:10
  Speaker 4: Apparently he named the character dick laconi as an homage to me while insulting me, and then he asked me my son's name and then 10 minutes later said, hey, my horse's name is charlie.
• 4:21
  Speaker 4: So there's that.
• 4:22
  Speaker 4: So he's sending me constant updates.
• 4:24
  Speaker 4: I found him to be an honest young man when talking about pokemon trading card game pocket.
• 4:31
  Speaker 4: So I'm kind of honestly, this might be the most exciting thing that happens, then, for the next uh, the next month and a half, because I don't think he's gonna be able to do it.
• 4:42
  Speaker 4: It's a hard game.
• 4:44
  Speaker 1: You wouldn't want to give me the opportunity, because I would literally do it.
• 4:46
  Speaker 1: I would play like Dude.
• 4:49
  Speaker 1: You know me, I'm a gamer Dude.
• 4:51
  Speaker 1: I'd be like, yep, I'm hopping on that.
• 4:53
  Speaker 4: Well, I told him he's got to do a presentation.
• 4:55
  Speaker 1: I'm getting graded for this Okay, yeah, I bet I'm doing this.
• 5:05
  Speaker 4: He and I told him that like this has to be the presentation, like his journey to try to get to this.
• 5:08
  Speaker 4: So I'm honestly really excited for what's going to happen.
• 5:11
  Speaker 4: I have no idea how this is going to turn out, but this might be a really fun end of year presentation to be able to watch.
• 5:18
  Speaker 4: So I obviously can't share it with you guys or anything like that, but that's what I've been up to.
• 5:22
  Speaker 4: But what have you been up to, anthonyony?
• 5:24
  Speaker 2: oh, hold on.
• 5:25
  Speaker 2: I want to, you know, mention something that you mentioned just prior to the start of the recording.
• 5:30
  Speaker 2: You mentioned that you had gotten students into star wars and that you felt extremely proud as a teacher, because that's a huge life accomplishment.
• 5:39
  Speaker 2: Tell us about that yeah.
• 5:41
  Speaker 4: So, like, forget getting college credit, forget being prepared to write good essays when you're in college.
• 5:46
  Speaker 4: I, as part of my macbeth unit, include revenge of the sith, which is amazing.
• 5:52
  Speaker 4: I took I kind of like went on a lark, but I wanted to.
• 5:55
  Speaker 4: I wanted them to see the hero's kind of journey and the fall of a hero and I thought that I would start off with revenge of of the Sith and see if it worked.
• 6:05
  Speaker 4: And it worked.
• 6:05
  Speaker 4: So I've been teaching it for now.
• 6:08
  Speaker 4: I think that this is my second year doing it and a couple of my students were supposed to be doing test prep the other day and I walked by and I said, are you watching Kenobi?
• 6:16
  Speaker 4: And she was like, yes, I am watching Kenobi.
• 6:20
  Speaker 4: I was like, why are you doing that?
• 6:21
  Speaker 4: Like, well, it's your fault.
• 6:22
  Speaker 4: You got us into Star Wars, so we just started watching everything.
• 6:25
  Speaker 4: And they then talked about how they were going to go see Revenge of the Sith in theaters that night and I was like, but you guys just watched it in class like for four days with me.
• 6:34
  Speaker 4: And they're like, yeah, but we get to see it in theaters now.
• 6:36
  Speaker 4: So I think the greatest accomplishment I probably will have is that as a teacher is definitely the fact that I got kids into star wars like forget about anything else.
• 6:45
  Speaker 4: Like I taught a kid who got into yale last year like that great, awesome, that was cool and congratulations.
• 6:52
  Speaker 2: But more important than yale, I think, is uh, star wars universe that is more important, I would say, and I was telling you that's particularly cool, not just because you know they're, they're watching not only the films but they're diving into the shows.
• 7:07
  Speaker 2: And what's great about star wars is that there's always new star wars content may not be, you know, always on the screen.
• 7:15
  Speaker 2: A lot of it's like, you know, comics and novels and stuff.
• 7:18
  Speaker 2: But lucasfilm has no plans of, you know, stopping their visual star wars content.
• 7:24
  Speaker 2: We just got a bunch of news on new stuff.
• 7:26
  Speaker 2: You know there's going to be a mall animated series.
• 7:28
  Speaker 2: There's going to be.
• 7:30
  Speaker 2: Well, we know that there's a dawn of the jedi movie that's coming out.
• 7:34
  Speaker 2: That takes place 25 000 years in the past.
• 7:36
  Speaker 2: There's going to be a ray sequel.
• 7:38
  Speaker 2: There's going to be a couple movies coming out as well as you know, new seasons of, you know, live action shows.
• 7:44
  Speaker 2: We have and or coming out.
• 7:45
  Speaker 2: Currently we have ahsoka, isn't there like a ventress thing dropping too.
• 7:50
  Speaker 2: There is the tales of the underground.
• 7:55
  Speaker 2: I think it's what it's called.
• 7:56
  Speaker 2: It's gonna be yeah it's gonna be half ventress, half cad bane kind of like the tales of the jedi, tales of the sith stuff that came out, or no, tales of the jedi, tales of the empire.
• 8:08
  Speaker 2: That came out, yeah, the past two years, so that's really exciting.
• 8:13
  Speaker 2: Love those little mini series that they come out with yeah, those are really cool and yeah, there's a.
• 8:18
  Speaker 2: There's a lot of star wars content, so like seeing that your students, or students plural are getting into the wider world of Star Wars just because they happened to be in a classroom where they had to watch Revenge of the Sith.
• 8:31
  Speaker 2: For a.
• 8:31
  Speaker 2: Macbeth segment.
• 8:32
  Speaker 2: I think that's pretty cool because you've given them a fandom that they can tap into whenever they want for the rest of their life, because it's always going to be around.
• 8:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's the great, that's the crazy thing about it.
• 8:43
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so that's the great, that's the crazy thing about it.
• 8:46
  Speaker 4: You know, it's just going from being the weirdo who read all the legends material and, you know, was going to bars and nobles and waiting for the new timothy zahn books to come out, to now it being so mainstream that you know you hear about it in class the next thing.
• 8:59
  Speaker 4: You know you're you're just kind of binging it on disney.
• 9:01
  Speaker 4: It's pretty cool, I don't know.
• 9:02
  Speaker 4: I never thought that I could rob taxpayer money and indoctrinate children into Star Wars fandom.
• 9:08
  Speaker 4: But here we are, ladies and gentlemen, I'm living the American dream.
• 9:11
  Speaker 2: Guys, not only are we planning to, you know, stage a heist against the Empire, we're also robbing taxpayers of their money.
• 9:21
  Speaker 2: It's a good time.
• 9:22
  Speaker 2: It's a good time out here, anthony.
• 9:25
  Speaker 2: Let's jump over to you, whatever you went out to.
• 9:27
  Speaker 1: I have also been doing some star wars related stuff and that, and that's not just you know.
• 9:35
  Speaker 1: Obviously I've been watching and or in preparation of this episode.
• 9:39
  Speaker 1: But I saw revenge of the sith.
• 9:41
  Speaker 1: They brought it back to theaters for its 20th anniversary and, yeah, man, I saw it yesterday in 40X and, dude, that experience was crazy.
• 9:53
  Speaker 1: I've never seen a movie in 40X.
• 9:56
  Speaker 1: I've done 40X stuff in like theme parks, but I've never seen like a full, like you know, two plus hour movie in 40x and, dude, it was a wild ride, man, it was a wild ride.
• 10:08
  Speaker 1: That's awesome, that's awesome.
• 10:10
  Speaker 2: I think I only have like two days left to watch revenge of the sith in theater, so I'm going to try over the next two days to make it to that, because I do actually want to do a 40x showing.
• 10:22
  Speaker 1: But uh, yeah, we'll see if you do, if not, if you do go to a 40x showing, you know, like.
• 10:28
  Speaker 1: So they they use some of the effects for, like the trailers they did.
• 10:32
  Speaker 1: They showed a live action trailer for how to train your dragon and they showed like some of the effects during that and then they did some of the effects during the thunderbolt.
• 10:42
  Speaker 1: So I'm assuming that there's gonna be 40x for both.
• 10:45
  Speaker 1: But, dude, like I I knew the seats were gonna like move and stuff, but I didn't think that they were going to like try to throw me out of the seats.
• 10:53
  Speaker 1: Dude, like I was gonna get whiplash watching that movie.
• 10:58
  Speaker 1: Like it was crazy.
• 11:00
  Speaker 1: Like that intro sequence where you know they're fighting the space battle over coruscant was like I, like I'm getting rocked around, like seriously like boo, like dude, I'm like what is going on?
• 11:11
  Speaker 1: This is crazy.
• 11:12
  Speaker 1: I didn't realize it was going to be that insane that's cool but it was fun though they had.
• 11:19
  Speaker 1: There was like mist, there's air like getting like kind of blown like.
• 11:22
  Speaker 1: If there was kind of like blast or fire going on, they would like you know there would be like a there's air like getting like kind of blown like.
• 11:25
  Speaker 1: If there was kind of like blast or fire going on, they would like you know there would be like a gust of air like blowing past your ear or like kind of like towards you from in front of you.
• 11:32
  Speaker 1: Parts that had water.
• 11:34
  Speaker 1: Like you know, when they were fighting on Kashyyyk there was like moments with water, like explosions in the water would like prompt like water getting like shot out at you during, during the part where there was rain, when Anakin is getting brought to the medical center, there was a little bit of water coming down from that.
• 11:51
  Speaker 1: It's not like they were raining you crazy with water, it's more of little spritzes here and there.
• 11:57
  Speaker 1: I thought it was interesting Stuff that had steam.
• 12:00
  Speaker 1: You could hear the steam and they would shoot out.
• 12:04
  Speaker 1: There would be like a little bit of like kind of a mist, like being like kind of blown out and stuff.
• 12:09
  Speaker 1: It was cool, man it was.
• 12:11
  Speaker 1: It was definitely.
• 12:13
  Speaker 1: I've seen revenge of the sith in like just many ways.
• 12:17
  Speaker 1: I've seen it in theaters, I've seen it, you know, on a project, on like home projector tv, on my phone, whatever, but I've never experienced it as like a ride and that was crazy, dude.
• 12:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that sounds awesome.
• 12:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, man, I, I, definitely I recommend it.
• 12:36
  Speaker 2: But, dude, just be prepared, man, like you might feel a little beat up the next day yeah, is it possible to get like really nauseous on those seats, I imagine, especially in that first intro?
• 12:47
  Speaker 1: I feel crazy.
• 12:47
  Speaker 1: I feel like you.
• 12:48
  Speaker 1: Some people may get nauseous, but I actually I felt fine as far as that.
• 12:53
  Speaker 1: It was just like, oh my gosh, like I'm like dude.
• 12:57
  Speaker 1: I left that and I was like man, I feel a little sore.
• 12:59
  Speaker 1: I woke up this morning definitely like I felt a little sore, but also it didn't help with the fact that, like, I went to the gym prior to that.
• 13:07
  Speaker 1: So oh, yeah, so so I'm like sore from the gym, I'm sore from getting like beat up by by the seat in the movie theater.
• 13:16
  Speaker 1: It was, yeah, no, it was.
• 13:18
  Speaker 1: It was fun, though, man, I definitely, I definitely recommend like checking it out.
• 13:25
  Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, I'm going to have to jump on that.
• 13:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, man, what have you been up to?
• 13:29
  Speaker 1: I haven't had any big things happening.
• 13:33
  Speaker 2: I finished watching Severance Crazy show.
• 13:35
  Speaker 1: Nice.
• 13:36
  Speaker 2: Absolutely just top tier.
• 13:38
  Speaker 2: Everything on Apple TV that I've seen is in that league of HBO quality shows.
• 13:44
  Speaker 2: Tv that I've seen is in that league of HBO quality shows Right now I would say like HBO, prime and certain Netflix shows.
• 13:52
  Speaker 2: But Netflix isn't really on that level and Apple TV are kind of like in the league of their own.
• 13:56
  Speaker 2: We're like HBO, apple TV and Amazon Prime kind of have that pinnacle of you know just prestige storytelling on a small screen.
• 14:05
  Speaker 2: And it's so good.
• 14:07
  Speaker 2: Severance is fantastic.
• 14:08
  Speaker 2: Highly recommend it.
• 14:09
  Speaker 2: Just a really novel sci-fi concept, just the idea that you know, in this universe which is it's a very similar universe to our own, but there is a company that has developed the ability to sever one's mind when you enter the workplace.
• 14:30
  Speaker 2: So basically, you are now essentially a new person when you enter the workspace.
• 14:36
  Speaker 2: Like that part of your mind has no memory of your life outside of work and your life outside of work has no memory of what you did inside work.
• 14:45
  Speaker 2: So essentially, you kind of diverge into a separate being and it comes with all the philosophical stuff that you would, you know, assume or, like you know, think would arise in a world where that is a thing you know, like the idea of, would that individual part of you that they call it an any you know it's your inner self that you don't know.
• 15:09
  Speaker 2: Does that get a separate soul?
• 15:11
  Speaker 2: It starts getting almost like religious in some aspects.
• 15:14
  Speaker 2: It's just a really fascinating concept.
• 15:16
  Speaker 2: They really explore it really well and I'm excited for season two.
• 15:21
  Speaker 2: Did I ever tell you guys like I might be partially responsible for why severance season two was, you know, so late?
• 15:29
  Speaker 2: What do you mean?
• 15:31
  Speaker 1: yeah, what are you talking about?
• 15:32
  Speaker 2: so severance season two is like it was like notoriously pushed back and pushed back and pushed back, and I literally might be you know part and parcel as to like why it got pushed back.
• 15:44
  Speaker 2: I I'm like I've I don't think I've ever said it online, but it's, it's kind of a funny story.
• 15:49
  Speaker 2: So I do electrical work and I was working for a company that happened to have the contract for the lionsgate movie studios that they were building in yonkers oh, I remember that that was like a.
• 16:02
  Speaker 1: Was that a?
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: Was that like a little while ago that was a while back.
• 16:06
  Speaker 2: This was a while back.
• 16:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was about a year ago.
• 16:08
  Speaker 2: I was working out there A little more than a year ago actually, it was probably a year and a half ago that I was working at those studios and I was responsible for all of the fire alarm in the buildings and that's a big job.
• 16:20
  Speaker 2: Those are are studios are massive.
• 16:22
  Speaker 2: You know you're going to need a lot of fire equipment.
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: You don't necessarily need smoke detectors in the place where they film because they use pyrotechnics in there and everything.
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: So that would go off pretty often.
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: But you know, throughout the entire building, office spaces and everything.
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: I was the one who did all the fire alarm solely and I kept asking my company please give me more guys.
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: I'm on the gun here.
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: They need a temporary certificate of occupancy, a TCO.
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: They want to get people filming in here.
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: I need help.
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: I'm only one dude.
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: I don't have the means to finish this on time.
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: So thankfully, I wasn't the only contractor or person that was late in the job, but my company.
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: They just didn't.
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: I guess the the subcontractor that was working with lionsgate wasn't paying my company regularly, so my company didn't want to put more men on the job site to help me out, even though that would have boosted their morale, because they were like every day, like are you getting more people in today?
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: I'm like sorry dude, I have no idea um, but anyway I found out.
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: I found out early on, like before.
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: It was like a push to get it all finished.
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: At a certain time, before they were really on my neck, they mentioned that they were going to film severance season two there and they were just waiting for the temporary certificate of occupancy.
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: That obviously fell through because I don't know if they filmed after that point I don't think so but because I think they went somewhere else in the end.
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: But like they were waiting for months to get into this location and I, you know, along with a couple other contractors, was partially responsible for why Severance season two took so long, and I feel really bad about that because it's such a good show man dang dakota.
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean it really, you know, maybe it's not my yeah, yeah, your company, but I yeah that I can imagine that a lot of that is like really like complicated that whole process.
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, that's crazy, though, yeah, honestly it was a fun time in my life, like I look back at that fondly, not necessarily, like you know, pushing severance behind schedule, but like that whole job that I was doing working on movie studios right, yeah that was a sick project I can a couple years of my life I can imagine like, dude, you know, like if you ever see like a movie that's coming out of that studio, you'd be like yo, I worked on that studio, I know, I know, yeah, so it was that's cool man
• 18:55
  Speaker 4: I really liked it.
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: I don't really remember what I was talking about that got me to oh, I yeah, I finished severance.
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: That's what I was trying to say.
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: Um, I'm behind on andor.
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: I have not watched the three new apps that came out yesterday as of recording this, but I am caught up on the first six episodes of the first season.
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: So we are good to talk about that whenever we are ready to do so.
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: And I'm trying to think if I have anything else I wanted to say.
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: I don't think I do.
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: I feel like I do actually have something else to say.
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: It'll come to me.
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: Anyway, shall we talk about Andor guys?
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: We shall oh yeah, okay, I did want to talk about something Too late.
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: Dakota, speaking about Andor, the first three episodes of the second season that came out last week.
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: There was a little tease in the timeline that you know.
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: There was an object that existed 25 000 years ago that was stolen by rakatan invaders.
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: I created like a timeline theory video that you can check out on youtube by going to the show notes down below, and it should be the first video that pops up under geek critique.
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure that whatever they were trying to suggest will link somehow to the dawn of the jedi movie that also takes place 25 000 years ago.
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: So I'm excited to talk about that.
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: But let's jump into sweet and dude I.
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: I kind of want to just say that this show has no right to be as good as it is, because this is literally like nobody asked for this.
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: Nobody asked for Andor.
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: I mean, I thought Andor was a really cool character and, to be honest with you, out of all of the Disneyney era star wars movies, rogue one is actually my favorite one.
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: I think rogue one is like just, I guess the the, the raw, just feeling of it and like just the grittiness of it.
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: And they translated that to the smaller screen with andor and dude.
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: They're just, they killed it.
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: You know, obviously we've all seen the first season from beginning to end for a while now, but we're only going to be talking about the first six episodes.
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: But dude, it's just like, like it, just it baffles me.
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: I'm amazed on how amazing this show is.
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: Like.
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: I feel like a lot can be learned from this show with other Star Wars media, like they need to like take whatever formula is happening, obviously they're not gonna get the same feel, it's not gonna be the same grittiness, because that that works for for Rogue One and and or.
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: But I do, they're doing something, man, and it's awesome yeah, I I don't really know what the secret sauce is, but they are cooking over there.
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: Well, I think that go ahead.
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: I think that the big thing is is that you know how it's gotta kind of end right like rogue one.
• 22:00
  Speaker 4: You know the way like rogue one like bled into it, and I think that it had the perfect level of nostalgia, but not nostalgia in that like it ended, you know, and you you get kind of like it bleeds into new hope, and I think that it's weird.
• 22:19
  Speaker 4: But I think that operating in certain parameters, like Disney being kind of boxed in by the timeline, is actually helping the series to be excellent.
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: That's a really strong point, actually, and I had not considered that being pushed into a corner would be good for the creative juices.
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: Good for the creative juices, but especially using that concept and giving us like tertiary side characters to follow, yeah, outside of the star wars, you know, like the main skywalker saga, you know like these are characters that you know mothma, you know, meets luke eventually, and all that that's what I think legends did so well.
• 23:02
  Speaker 4: Right is that every time a Legends book came out and was approved by Lucas, it created more structures that everybody had to navigate around, and I know that actually can sometimes suffocate storytelling.
• 23:17
  Speaker 4: But I think with Star Wars, in some weird way, the more the writer has an idea of what their boundaries are, the stronger it is like kenobi.
• 23:28
  Speaker 4: I like kenobi because I wanted to like kenobi, but truthfully they had a lot more free reign and chose to go in a way that was not as satisfying to a lot of star wars fans okay, yeah, yeah, I was just happy to see ewan mcgregor as the character again like yeah, I mean yeah
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: I mean, aside from you know some of the grievances of that, I still think that he slid into that character still pretty well and not all of it was bad.
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: But yeah, no, I get what she's talking about and or is, I guess, boxed in because you do know that pretty much after the second season it rolls into, it's obviously going to roll into, rogue One.
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: So you know, or or I, it would have to be like, okay, yeah, well, there goes Rogue One and then you know then, yeah, that's that for, uh, cassian andor.
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: But yeah, man, this first season, you know, getting to know cassian, and it starts him off in the same way that we're introduced to him in in rogue one.
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: You know, like this man, yeah, that's funny you know, like he he, though, though I will say that those guards were asking for it he was just trying, he was on his way, they were messing with him, and it was funny because the supervisor of that facility, he called it out he said they obviously like ran up on somebody that was the wrong person to mess with and they got killed for it.
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: And he I was like dude.
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: He nailed it Like they messed with the wrong guy.
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: I was like dude, he nailed it like they messed with the wrong guy.
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: He was just trying to go about his way yeah, before I forget rich.
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: Last last week you broke my heart with that babe ruth thing that you mentioned that insight about the cold shot.
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: I have to break your heart a little bit based on something that you just said.
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: So lucas did not approve those novels what no, he did not.
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: Most of them anyway he did.
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: He did not.
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: There was a couple like splinter of the eye, he did.
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: But most of the novels lucasfilm approved.
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: But and lucas just owned lucasfilm, you know, he didn't really read through any of it.
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: There were certain things that he took from legends and brought into canon but like, like the name, coruscant that's a, that's a legends thing that he carried over, but the majority of the stories and everything he did not consider I mean honestly, dude, there was so much of it I I read every page.
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: I would believe that he didn't have that much control over it.
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: I mean, on top of all the books that came out, there were a lot of video games that came out too, like just.
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: Shadow of the Empire.
• 26:14
  Speaker 4: Was it the game was?
• 26:16
  Speaker 4: I'm trying to remember, or?
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: was that a book?
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: No, I think that was a book.
• 26:20
  Speaker 4: There was the one with Dash Rendar.
• 26:22
  Speaker 4: I know we had uh, it was a dark forces.
• 26:27
  Speaker 4: That was a game there.
• 26:27
  Speaker 4: Oh, there was the masters of terra kai and, of course, the best game of all time, non-negotiable, is knights of the old republic oh yeah, that's all the republic is like one of my top favorites of that time.
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: They were absolutely awesome.
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: And then battlefront, battlefronts.
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: That was.
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: The battlefronts were so, so fun.
• 26:46
  Speaker 4: The battlefront threw me off for one reason and it's the dumbest reason ever, and dakota and I briefly touched on this, but the in battlefront 2, I believe the actress who's in the game is the actress who is the shiva from the league which is the show about fantasy football, where they basically made their high school crush their, uh, fantasy football trophy.
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: Oh we're talking about the new ones.
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: We're talking about the old ones, but but yeah other than oh, okay, yeah, we're talking there was like a series of battlefront games for, like the PS2 era.
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, oh, there was a box.
• 27:26
  Speaker 4: You're talking about.
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: Inversio.
• 27:28
  Speaker 4: Yes, yes, that's what I'm talking about.
• 27:30
  Speaker 4: Yes, there was a brief period of time where I had a non-functioning game system, so I think that's where we're talking about, which?
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: which actually that's a good point to swing us back around to Andor.
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: It's a good point to swing us back around to Andor.
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: That story in Battlefront 2 is a perfect example of like it shows and Andor shows us a lot too is that there's a lot of people it seems like there's a good bit of people in the Empire that are just not on board with what's going on.
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: And you get that with you know, you get this with an imperial officer and a former stormtrooper.
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: You know they've become rebels.
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: You know, with one kind of being inside and it's interesting to see the rebellion at this state.
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: Dude, it's budding at this point.
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: It's tiny.
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: You can even call it a rebellion.
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: It's like a, you know it's, it's small acts of terrorism, basically dude, dude, seriously, I mean at that point it is, but it's, it's really interesting that they like finally given us this like ground floor view of the rebellion, you know, but when we, when we catch the rebellion and the original series like the, the rebellion has existed already and they've already been actively fighting against the Empire but we didn't get to.
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: Okay, how, when did this start?
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: How did they get to where they were?
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: And it's people on the inside of the, obviously the, the empire, and people in the Senate, man People backing you know in the Senate that are backing this.
• 29:11
  Speaker 4: Tariffs man, tariffs, lucas knew man.
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: It's all about the tariffs, bro, and dude, like watching Phantom Menace nowadays is like it's so topical I didn't think that would ever happen in my lifetime but extremely topical.
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, what you're saying, anthony, about like how the rebellion took shape, we see it fully functioning in the original trilogy.
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but at this stage it's not fully functioning, it's barely functioning and it's splinter groups that have yet to form a united front.
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: Basically, and there's talk about a united front, there's dreams about a united front, but not everybody thinks that rebellion should be run that way.
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: As we know from at least rogue one, sometimes some of you know from like clone wars, yeah, he does not see rebellion as fully altruistic.
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: You know he has dedicated his life to a, you know, very extreme, you know death, to all imperials type of you know rebellion.
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: So he's he's on the extreme end.
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: But what we're seeing in this show with andor is, I wouldn't say it's like small acts of rebellion, because we're we're starting to see, you know, some real organized crime when it comes to, you know, bringing down the empire.
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, especially in that second arc that we have on aldani, we we meet this guy named Luthen who's like such a fascinating character.
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: I don't understand him.
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: I almost don't even want to understand him.
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: He's an enigma.
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: I want like he's such a mysterious person.
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: This guy who collects rare artifacts has an you know, like a rare artifact store for the very wealthy of Coruscant.
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: He has a huge network of accomplices and clients.
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: In his shop you have a Gungan shield, you have several pieces of Amidala's headgear on the shelves you have Plo Koon's mask, but that's just a facade.
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: His whole shop is a facade so that he can operate in the background.
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: Operate in the background yeah, yeah he's a genius he is man dude, stellan skarsgard.
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: He plays that role so well.
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: I love him and you know, get we get diego luna back and uh, cassie and andor he, um, you know it had been a while, because I think what 2022 was when we got the first season of andor and it was what six years since rogue one, 20, 2016 yeah, it was when rogue one right.
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: So I would say they probably started working on it like towards the tail end of maybe 2020 to give or take, so, or I mean they've been working on it for a while, but maybe like actual filming and production was after that point.
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: But dude, I mean he slides right back into that character so well, he sells it that he's this guy that you know, he is kind of like looking out for himself, but he does want to do more, but he definitely keeps his cards close to his chest and you see that a lot in these first six episodes and or as a show just kind of goes to show that you can take any character from Star Wars and write a book about them.
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: Each character in this galaxy has enough to say to make it worth watching or reading or experiencing.
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: Andor is one of those characters and, honestly, had you asked me in 2016, who would you make a movie about after watching rogue one, I'd have to really think about it and I don't think andor would have been in my top three picks right, maybe saw, saw guerrero would have been yeah yeah that's better or so.
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: Uh, krennic, yeah, galen or so.
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: I want to know more about I I would want to know more about.
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: I would want to know more about Chirrut.
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: Emwe yeah, dude Chirrut and uh.
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: Chirrut and Baze Malbus the.
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: Wills and stuff.
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, I would not have thought that Andor would be that guy, dude Andor.
• 33:34
  Speaker 4: Andor to me was like I'm not sure if you guys have seen South Park the movie long time ago, but yes he's like.
• 33:42
  Speaker 4: So inside the movie there was a character who's helping them in their own rebellion and he was kind of french-esque, like some.
• 33:51
  Speaker 4: He was some foreign or he wasn't american and he smoked cigarettes, even though he was only like nine years old and he, he, uh, he's like, did you guys bring the butt for?
• 34:04
  Speaker 4: And they're like, what's the butt for?
• 34:05
  Speaker 4: He goes for pooping silly, like that was the one time he was like relaxed and like that to me was cassie and andor, so much you know.
• 34:14
  Speaker 4: So I did not expect for them to explore this character and it's made all the difference, I think right, right, right.
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: Like he was like a main-ish character in Rogue One, like he was like a main character but the story obviously centered around Jyn Erso, jyn Erso, her father, and then you know the whole story of how they got the plans of the Death Star.
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: But, like you know, andor and or you know his character was cool.
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: You know, I didn't hate his character in rogue one at all.
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: I thought it was, I thought he was awesome.
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: But yeah, like dude, like he wasn't the one that you would be like, oh yeah, like you said, like he wouldn't have been a top three pick but somehow they wrote a whole show about him, they wrote a whole show the show after this guy.
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: And they're killing it Like how Dakota, how?
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: This blows my mind.
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: How is this show existing and how is it like this good, based off of a character that maybe a very small amount of people asked for?
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: what I like is the realism yes and or because you have plenty of star wars.
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: That's escapism you have plenty of star wars that you can go and just escape reality from, but you have to understand all the mainline story dude pretty much, yeah, save for maybe rogue one.
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: But you have moments in star wars that you can't really you know escape from or like.
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: There's certain stories that are more grounded, and this is one of those stories.
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: There's no jedi here.
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: I don't even think they've mentioned jedi in the show right right, yeah if I, if I can remember now, yeah, I don't think so.
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: This is first six episodes now for sure as of this first, yeah they have not mentioned jedi or anything like force related, and the force has always been the main thing when it comes to star wars, like there's always a major spiritual element that was like the selling.
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: One of the selling points of star wars was like these mystical, like samurais that wields laser swords man yeah, they don't got laser swords in this one no, no, there's the stakes are higher, man.
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: The stakes are higher, like you know, when you see a star Wars movie or even a Star Wars TV show with a Jedi in it.
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: Like you know that they're gonna like mow down these Imperials, man.
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: They're gonna like, they're gonna destroy him, man.
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: But like these people, these are people that they don't have these powers, they don't have control over the force, man, they have to like be very methodical and the things that they do and they have to plan.
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: And obviously, you know, this heist that happens in that second arc is something that has been planned for a long period of time and you know, andor kind of just comes in and crashes that, in a way, because of luthen yeah, it's crazy, should we talk about the individual arcs?
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: We haven't really scratched the surface of the first one, right, right, but yeah, so the first arc follows Andor, specifically after he has that encounter with the Primor guards on Rolana 1.
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: And he accidentally kills one.
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: He decides to save his own neck.
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: He has to kill both of them.
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, accidentally kills one, he decides to save his own neck, he has to kill both of them.
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah he accidentally gave away a huge bit of information about himself to you know some girl at the strip club.
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: Basically, and yeah, I mean that happens to all of us right of course, yeah, no, I mean the amount of times I've you've given out my social security number and everything.
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: it's embarrassing at this point, dakota, you know he's just out there giving out his full address, you know yeah yeah, but he gives out his, you know, like part of his origin, which is the planet that he comes from, and Canary is what it was and that's how the primor is it primor?
• 38:23
  Speaker 4: I keep feeling like I'm saying that wrong did his sister actually work there or did he assume that she did, because that's what a woman would do in?
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: trying to find a position well, okay, so I I don't know that she definitely did or definitely didn't, but he was under the impression that, like he was given some intel right right that okay, all right yeah yeah, I wasn't sure, if it was like a type of thing where, like, all right, I'm gonna show up where I think she, and because of the plight of women, she had to take this role.
• 39:02
  Speaker 4: You know, like I was, that's the only thing that I was unsure about.
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: No, no, he stepped in there with it was a purpose, like he had a he stepped in with a purpose Like he went there purposefully, not you know.
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: Oh, maybe she may be in here.
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: Like you know, it wasn't like a check, like it was more of.
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: Like you know, he came in, yeah, like dakota said, with a piece of information and he's trying to clarify whether or not that piece of information was true.
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: And that piece of information is that he was looking for a woman that is from canaryari and that's where he's from.
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: And that's actually part of that arc too Is showing where Cassian is from.
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: He grew up in this tribal community.
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, to be honest, I didn't care too much about the flashbacks.
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: I never care about flashbacks, actually.
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: I almost always find myself really bored when flashbacks come on For just about anything.
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: You can have a whole show based on flashbacks, like I remember when arrow was coming out or lost.
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: I don't care about what happened at home or naruto I, just I, I want to know what's happening right now in the story and they kept cutting back to that and I didn't think there was a lot to say personally about, you know, andor's life on canary.
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: I think it's an interesting bit of lore, you know.
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: One or two flashbacks may have been, you know, sufficient for me, but, yeah, I felt that that was probably the weakest part of this.
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: This first three episodes was just the flashback episodes, but I, I did really like how they tied it in to you know how.
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: That's how they found a lead, basically as to how they were going to track him, and that's also how we are introduced to Cyril Karm, who is a.
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: What's the name of the company?
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: Anthony, you mentioned it earlier.
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: Prelor.
• 40:52
  Speaker 4: Premor, premor.
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so he I don't even understand, I don't know what his actual job title is, but he took it to the extreme.
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: He made a huge error in bringing a whole bunch of guys to try to look for Andor, and I think it was something like six or seven of the guys ended up dying on his mission to capture the guy who accidentally killed one guy and then purposely killed another guy.
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: But anyway, a lot more people died because of your mission than would have if you just listen to your superior's orders and let it go dude, I love during this part, dude, I loved luth and I loved how he had like these little things, like these rules that he would do and he was like he said, kind of like a rule of thumb, build your exit on your way in, dude, and he had set like charges on the outside.
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: I'm like dude, I just knew that he was gonna be like.
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: He was awesome.
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: I was like yeah, he's just extra yeah yeah, no, no, it was funny.
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: But yeah, originally luthan gets called in because he's connected with bix, which may or may not be I mean at this point, may or may not not have been, you know, romantically entangled with andor, which is kind of safe to say that something went down with them.
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: But yeah, he's trying to make some money, he's trying to get out of there because he knows that he's being tracked down for those killings and he's trying to sell this sealed was a star path unit yeah and which is supposedly worth a lot of money.
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: And instead of getting paid money, he gets a job which is ultimately worth more than what he would have.
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, star path unit but dangerous, dangerous.
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: There was a lot of work to be put into that.
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: There was a lot of danger yeah, we, we meet a couple people that will be, you know, important later on in the show.
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: Like you said, we met bix khalin and her horrible boyfriend tim.
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: I hate that guy.
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: Although I didn't want to see him die like a chump, I hated that guy.
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: That was a terrible scene, like you know.
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: Like, obviously, bix was mad at this guy for ratting out her childhood friend and or, but maybe not childhood friend, but you know, her friend being locked up as the person that you are currently romantically involved with, dies on the steps, like a couple feet away from you and you can't reach them.
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: That's just terrible yeah, no, absolutely that was crazy.
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: I thought it was interesting how everybody kind of alerted, like you know, hey, there's some you know pretty more people here, you know looking for somebody and like kind of banging on like a bunch of scrap metal and stuff yo, I love the culture in morlana one or no, it's not morlana one, that's the planet that he or the moon that he attacked those guards right but I I love the culture in aldani.
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: That is aldani aldani is the second planet.
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: I forget what the first planet is.
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: It's gonna bother me, but anyway I love that you know.
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: Like you said, anthony, they start banging like they have just random pieces of sheet metal and tools that you can bang on all over town whenever they want to alert the rest of the town that something's going down.
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: They don't even know what's happening.
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: Ferrix Half of them.
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: They have no Ferrix.
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: Yes, thank you, anthony, that was going to really bother me.
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: So the ferrix has like a very look after your own type of mentality.
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: They don't want outsiders getting involved in their business.
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: I also love the guy who has the bell duty in the morning.
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: You know he just kind of like stretches his arms and then he just starts hitting the bell yeah it's the coolest bell tower I've ever seen.
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: I feel like that would be such a satisfying thing to hit.
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: I know, and it's a crazy looking one too.
• 44:47
  Speaker 4: It kind of looks like an anvil or something.
• 44:49
  Speaker 4: I'm not sure you guys picked up on it, but I don't know.
• 44:50
  Speaker 4: This is a very little known actor.
• 44:54
  Speaker 4: His name is Ethan Embry.
• 44:55
  Speaker 4: He was in Can't hardly wait.
• 45:04
  Speaker 4: I was like a teen movie in the late 90s, early 2000s and he had like a spot role in in the first six episodes where he was like an outside guard.
• 45:11
  Speaker 4: I just love how they.
• 45:12
  Speaker 4: That's the other thing that's kind of cool about these series and you know I think we've talked about it before, or at least you guys definitely have where uh bill burr was on uh mandalorian and just these little uh spot like actors that are getting like these little kind of like opportunities and I I just it's another thing that I'm really enjoying about the disney star wars yeah, because I, I think a lot of people are super willing to, you know, be a part of star wars, even though, historically speaking, especially in the past, you know a couple decades being a part of star wars is not always a good thing and you get a lot of hate online.
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: But, yes, I, I think that that's pretty cool asha may what rose tico little annie yeah, no, I actually felt bad for him and ahmed best yes yeah, yeah, I don't.
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: I don't think they deserved it to get ragged on like that.
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: No, nobody deserves to get ragged on, you know, for a role that they played in a movie, absolutely unless they like, antagonize people for it.
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: You know kind of kind of um like you have the the I I'm not gonna get too deep into it, but, like you know, there's the whole snow white thing that happened and like the main actress was starting to antagonize people but I don't think the hate was equivalent and that's the thing he, I don't think like what she did, warranted the outburst and outrage that you know ensued, same with like well, she, she would, I want to.
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: She antagonized people and was like, oh well, I don't need your business and that kind of stuff, you know, like that's that is, you know, like that's what I'm saying like she kind of antagonized people, whereas these people just did their job and they got made fun of for it and they got attacked and and I wish that jake lloyd would have gotten kind of a second chance, in the same way that ahmed best did, like I'm.
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: I think it's really cool that they, like you know, worked them in to be like a really like awesome jedi master.
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: So but yeah, he did show back up.
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: So what's different about ahmed best and jar jar is I think that he was already an adult by the time that he played that character yeah, yeah, absolutely the.
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: The thing with jake lloyd is, you know, you're not a fully functioning, even teenager at that point.
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: So yeah, that was, that was.
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: Uh, that's a sad story for another day.
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, let's, let's jump forward to the second arc, unless we have anything else to say about the first arc.
• 47:50
  Speaker 4: Rich, no first three episodes.
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: No, you guys got it covered pretty well right, right, yeah, that first arc really like sets the stage for the second arc.
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: Because you know this is where cassian is brought over to these group of rebels that you know they have a plan but their plan is not.
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: Even you know it's not a hundred percent, and he calls it out.
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: He's like y'all don't know, y'all know how.
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: Do you know how this?
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: Know what y'all are doing right now?
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: You know how to fly this.
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: Their plan had a lot of holes in it.
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: Like a lot of holes and they were only five.
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: They had been planning for like what they said five months and they only had like five days left before they actually had to do the thing that they needed to do.
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: I did really like the cover that they chose for this particular event.
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like happens every three years on the dot has happened for time immemorial on this planet, aldani, where basically it's this huge celestial event where it's almost akin to 50 meteor showers happening all at once.
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: You know, it's like the movie your name happening 50 times it's crazy yeah, no, it was such a beautiful event and I thought it was so cool.
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: Man, I do, it's one of the most magical star wars moments yeah, right star wars, like it's just like like the awe and the spectacle and like you can kind of.
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: They played it so realistically Because, like they, even like the Imperials, Like this is something that you know when they're stationed on this place.
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: Oh, you got to see the eye, you got to be there for the eye.
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: They talked about that, they were excited about that and everyone acted like you would in the real world if this was an event that's happening.
• 49:43
  Speaker 3: You have an eclipse, that's happening outside you have a solar eclipse.
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: Everyone's gonna have their glasses, everyone's gonna be prepared, everyone's gonna find a spot to, you know, witness a total solar eclipse.
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: Absolutely because that is mind-blowing, you know, and this is, like I would say, more mind-blowing yeah, no, no, seriously, if we it's like it's like mixing a meteor shower with an aurora borealis, like mixed together, it just the sky was all lit up and it was kind of different colors and it looked so cool and that that's.
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: I thought that that sequence was really, really cool, where you know, they're kind of like everybody's getting into place and then, yeah, man, like when they actually get to that vault and they like bust it open, like I knew that things were just gonna get crazy.
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like somebody was gonna start snooping around and be like like their comms aren't gonna be all the way down or something.
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: I knew it was going to be something the crazy thing about the stakes in andor is that the only characters you know for certain that will make it out of this show alive that they've introduced are cassie and andor and mon mothma.
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: Those are the only two individuals in the entirety of the show that are safe, at least in this show, because we know Cassian exists past this point, we know Mon exists past this point.
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: But everybody else is expendable and the script uses that to its advantage.
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: You don't know who's going to make it out alive.
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: You don't know who's going to turn on you.
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: You don't know who's going to make it out alive.
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: You don't know who's going to turn on you.
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: You don't know Like even characters like Luthan.
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: We have no idea if he ever gets to see.
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: You know the United Rebellion Right yeah, takes on the Empire in the original trilogy.
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: We don't know that that's going to happen at this point.
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: So, it's really.
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: It's a really cool concept and I think you know we've kind of danced around why this is so good, and I think part of it is just writing and directing.
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: You have a very competent writer, you have a very competent directing group or I should say writing group and directing group Because there's multiple writers, multiple directors for this series and they used the same writer that they got for the rewrites of rogue one.
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: Some something in rogue one wasn't working, so they called in this guy, tony gilroy, who, notably, has mentioned in the past and this is like you know, in like the rogue one era that he wasn't a star wars fan when he was writing rogue one and I think that was a strength in his thing, because you kind of for something like andor to work, you need someone on the outside to look at things from a different vantage point and this is that's exactly what andor is.
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: It's a different vantage point in the galaxy.
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: You have the rebellion.
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: You know that these are good guys.
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: Everything in the original trilogy says that these are the guys you're rooting for.
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: These are the good guys, good guys who are bringing down the oppressive government.
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: But to do so, to get to that point, you got to get dirty.
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: Things have to get really bad and really nasty and you're going to make mistakes and you're going to have, basically, small acts of terrorism, which is what we ended up seeing in.
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: Aldani, and they don't really understand what a rebellion is at this point.
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: They only see it as small acts of, you know, organized violence or crime.
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: Right, that helps bring them down.
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: So, and that's that's what we have in this, this arc, and it's so good and there's not even.
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: The group doesn't even fully trust each other either, you know?
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's another thing.
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: It's that this is such an early budding version of the rebellion that we get in the original or Star Wars trilogy.
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: I mean, like you said, you know you're getting gritty and that might consist of some of the rebels killing each other.
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: You know and you get.
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: You get guerrilla warfare, basically Rich.
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: I want to ask, like, how you feel about the rebellion at this stage?
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: Like, how do you feel like they?
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: What are your thoughts on it?
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: It like are they good guys at this point?
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: Are they terrorists?
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: Are they trying to do the right thing for the you know, or doing the wrong thing for the right reasons?
• 54:04
  Speaker 4: are they're doing the right thing.
• 54:05
  Speaker 4: I mean, I I think back to the deleted scene from fringes of the sith which would have taken place beforehand, right and bill organa, and they're all trying to kind of rally the senate, you know, to do the right thing, essentially.
• 54:20
  Speaker 4: So I I think I don't think they're.
• 54:23
  Speaker 4: I mean, I suppose in some way they are terrorists.
• 54:26
  Speaker 4: I'm a little bit, uh, a little bit of a bleeding heart liberal over here, so I'm gonna kind of side with the rebellion over here, lutheran obviously I I also side with the rebellion over here.
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: Lutheran, obviously I I also side with the rebellion.
• 54:37
  Speaker 4: I'm not trying to say that oh well, I mean, no, no, you're, you're, yeah, no, you're the american conglomerate and you're just opposing vietnam.
• 54:45
  Speaker 4: Uh, no, but like I'm at the same time, like I think that there will put together at the same, but I I wouldn't again.
• 54:57
  Speaker 4: This is my own poison, but you know, like luthan seems like a guy who, if you just put an infinity stone towards his heart, you know like he might completely betray everything he believes in and I interesting.
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: Okay, so all right.
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: So you have the rebel.
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: You have the rebels on aldani.
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: You're saying that like you definitely consider them the good guys and, for the intents of the story, they are the good guys.
• 55:20
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: That's not really a question and we understand that what they're doing is for the greater good.
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: The Empire is doing so much more harm than the Rebellion ever could or ever wishes to.
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: So you know what they're doing is necessary, necessary.
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: But you're saying that luthen doesn't seem like a totally good guy and given the opportunity, he would stab.
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: Well, we, we know that he is like a backstabber in certain aspects or form, like I don't think he was inspired to join the rebellion because he wanted profit or safety.
• 56:10
  Speaker 4: But there's a part of me that I'm not sure if it's very sol guerrera but I just don't trust that Luthan is doing this a thousand percent for the right reasons.
• 56:22
  Speaker 4: I think that there is a something that maybe motivates him past his desire for political justice.
• 56:34
  Speaker 4: Like, I don't know in the same way that I don't trust chuck schumer, I don't like, I don't know, like I I there's something that inherently I'm like I don't believe you.
• 56:45
  Speaker 4: I don't know why, but I don't believe you, and I'm not sure if it's the wig or what it is about him it's a facade.
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: And he and that's a great scene too when he puts his wig on and he kind of does a little dance and he smiles and he just gets into character right before he has to go back to work.
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: Quote, unquote.
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: It's a fascinating scene and, yeah, we don't really know if he's a good guy or not or what his true motives are.
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: We don't know his background.
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: You know, in the first season I think there was a lot of people who you know really bought into the rumor that luthan was, you know, a jedi or a former jedi and he's trying to take down the empire because of what they did to the order.
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: But we don't know, we've got no confirmation about anything with that or anything about that.
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: With luthuther, he doesn't seem to necessarily be, or he hasn't shown any force, sensitivity or anything like that.
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: So, yeah, well, I mean honestly, you could say that literally about everybody in this show, everybody cassian cassian has he's shown the ability to to kind of like, you know, backstab and just be like you know, I just want my money and I'm out of here.
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: You know literally everybody in that group.
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: Yes, they wanted to get back at the Empire, but literally for their own reasons.
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: They all had their own reasons for doing what they did.
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: It wasn't for a collective kind of rebellion, like you said.
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: There's different cells but there's not really a united front rebellion and it's showing that they each really have their own motive for doing what they're doing.
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: They're kind of uniting for the sake of uniting, but there's a you know, you see, that they don't trust each other.
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: You have them getting angry.
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: That you got.
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: You know cassian is being promised to be.
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: You know that they don't trust each other.
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: You have them getting angry.
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: That you got.
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: You know cassian is being promised to be.
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: You know that he's getting paid and so, yeah, a lot of them.
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: And the other guy man, I forgot his name.
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: The other shady guy, keen, yeah, skiing skiing.
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, with a name like skiing, you got to be a little yeah, yeah, so so you have skeen and he has his own motives and like when, after they escape, they escape the dam he kind of.
• 59:03
  Speaker 2: He kind of abandons the, the rebel cause, for the sake of, you know, personal gain.
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: He hasn't even like he no longer.
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: Even I, I do believe that he had a brother and you know, like he, you know his original plight against the empire was real.
• 59:17
  Speaker 2: But for all intents and purposes, the amount of money, like 40 million, that he was planning to, you know, take for himself was enough for him to forget about everybody.
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: You know right, right, and in that moment I don't think that.
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: So cassian kills him.
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: But I don't think it was because he was like, oh, he was gonna take off him.
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: But I don't think it was because he was like, oh, he was going to take off and leave with the money.
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: I think it was because he knew that if he were to leave with this guy, that this guy was going to try to kill him, and so I think it was out of self-preservation.
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: So I mean, when you really go back to it, you could point your finger to any one of these characters and say that they really have their own motive to do what they're doing and it's not really for the greater good.
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: I mean, sure, it may affect for a positive, you know, stealing from the empire is a positive, but in a way they're kind of seeing it like they're getting what they feel is owed to them.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: You know yeah, no 100.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 2: I really loved this second arc.
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 2: It's the one that I remember most when I think back to this first season of andor, just because, like, the spectacle that was the eye of aldani is just so burned into my memory.
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 2: It's just such a great scene and it was the whole heist was done so well and written so well.
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 2: And again, like tony gilroy and his writing team I don't know if tony gilroy is a star wars fan now, but like back in the rogue one days he had mentioned that he wasn't a fan so like coming into the universe without all that baggage that is inherent to fandom probably, you know, gave him the edge with, you know, writing these scripts.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 2: But, as rich was saying, being boxed in by the canon really, really worked in their favor.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: And I think that's the like of all of the star wars shows or of all the star wars content, really, that we've gotten so far.
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 2: This is the strongest case that I can find for the lucasfilm story group, which is like their collective canon moderators that you know, like they know everything that there is to know, like they have people who are good at timeline stuff, good at planet stuff, culture and you know aesthetic and all that right.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 2: And having that team come into a project like this and say this is available to you, this is available to you.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 2: Keep going down this way.
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 2: You're you're like this is a perfect path to go down.
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 2: Having that guide for someone who isn't a big Star Wars fan and somehow marrying those two concepts into the show is so, so cool, and I'm such a fan.
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 2: I can't wait to finally watch the second half of the season for the next episode.
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: I also believe that what really helps us out is that it's not a Star Wars TV show.
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: It's a show that's set in the Star Wars universe, and you know it's.
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good way to put it and and it takes away a lot of that mysticism that the main storyline has which don't get me wrong, you know that's what we came to know and love about star wars but the fact that we came in and we got something that was different and that it worked and it didn't feel like they were trying to force it but it felt natural, I think that man, they killed it and this is not a show that someone like george lucas or dave filoni could have ever come up with in a million years.
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 2: You give them 400 scripts.
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 2: They're not going to come up with something like this because they will always like gear towards the more mystical and the more like sci-fi aspects of it or science fantasy aspects of it.
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 2: And yeah, it's just a completely different type of Star Wars that we're not used to and I think it's so refreshing to watch.
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 2: But I think we should come to a close with our podcast.
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 2: Any last thoughts?
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 2: We'll start with you, Rich.
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 4: It's bothering me that I can't remember his name, but the character who I liked the most in the first yeah, exactly.
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 2: Brasso, yeah, I forgot.
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 2: I mean he's the guy who.
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 4: It's crazy because like now that I've seen more of it and there this seems to be a running gag with me that I, once I see more of a show, I enjoy a character's earlier performance more, but I it really kind of bummed me out that we lost him.
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 4: He seemed so interesting and I almost wish we could have had a little bit more of him oh, I think you mean nemek.
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 4: Yeah, nemek nemek is the, is the guy that I just he was somebody who really he's out there.
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 4: He was different and I really kind of enjoyed him and I wish that there was a little bit more of him.
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 4: He just I don't know if you've, I've, I'm a very, as I've mentioned many times, I'm very old the, uh, mission impossible movie.
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 4: At the beginning I remember I really loved emilio estevez's character.
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 4: He was like the.
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 4: He was basically like like nick nemec, he's like the techie guy that everyone trusted and he dies within like the first nine minutes of the movie and I was like, no, and that's how I, um, I felt about nemec here.
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 4: I kind of, you know, because he's the guy who I would be right Like, he's the character that I could see myself most as and I'm like, oh no, he died, although he's writing a manifesto and he's trying to like put into words what the rebellion means to him and what oppression means to him.
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 2: I think he's a very powerful character, even though he's probably physically the weakest of those people, but his heart was 100% in it, probably more than anyone else there, at least that we know of.
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 2: But anyway, yeah, nemec's awesome.
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 2: I really also liked Brasso.
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 2: That was Cassian's friend who basically he gave.
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 2: He was the first one Cassian went to when he needed an alibi.
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 2: He goes to brasso and brasso he rolls with it yeah, immediately ultimate bro.
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 2: He's the ultimate bro very dark and yeah, I love, I love brasso.
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 2: He's a great character and we're gonna see him next week, guys, but anthony, what about you?
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 2: What uh?
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 2: Last thoughts on andor season one, first six episodes it's awesome, you know, those first six episodes.
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: They lead up to a really good build-up and I know that that build-up is going to continue on and I'm excited about the latter half of the season.
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 2: There's a lot of really cool things that happen, a lot of really cool characters and, yeah, man, I'm excited there's only one way out, guys, and that's by giving us a juicy five-star review and catching us for our next episode, where we will actually, you know, talk about the one way out storyline on narkina 5.
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 2: That's going to be really fun.
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 2: I'm really excited about that because Andy Serkis in Star Wars.
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 2: We had him as Snoke, but seeing him in his physical, regular, normal human body is a treat, and he's such a great actor.
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure.
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 2: Definitely come back next week as we cover the next six episodes of Andor.
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 2: But again, yeah, I was mentioning you guys got to give us a five star juicy review.
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 2: Like a juicy juicy, I was eating a chimichanga on Monday.
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 2: It was a massive chimichanga from a Mexican restaurant, chorizo rice beans.
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 2: Oh, it was so juicy and I was thinking that's the, just like that chimichanga.
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 2: Your review on whatever podcast app that you're listening to should reflect and yeah, that's my personal thoughts.
• 1:07:01
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• 1:07:08
  Speaker 2: But yeah, see you next time, guys.
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: Alrighty peace.