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The SHOCKING Truth About MEN's Reactions to HUMILIATION Part 2 | Red Chill Cinema · Honey Badger Radio

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  Speaker 1: All right, hello everybody, and welcome back to Honey Badger Radio.
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  Speaker 1: My name is Brian and with Allison and this is
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  Speaker 1: Red Pilled Cinema Up, part two of the thing that
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  Speaker 1: we did on Wednesday. Sorry, I you know, I had
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  Speaker 1: to go pick Lindsay up from her job right away
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  Speaker 1: because she wasn't feeling well and she can't get home
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  Speaker 1: without me, so at least not easily. But we're we're
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  Speaker 1: here and again, I you know, I have until I
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  Speaker 1: have about two hours, but I think it'll be less
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  Speaker 1: stressful this time.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, well, I mean at least we know
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  Speaker 2: what we're doing, right, we've.
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  Speaker 1: Already Yeah, and we got the shorts thing figured out too.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, oh yeah, so that's that's a big Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I had to do like some mcguy vership, but we
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  Speaker 1: got work around.
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  Speaker 2: So we got our shorts back.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. YouTube's been thwarted.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, YouTube att attempted to steal our shorts, but we
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  Speaker 2: got them back. We endeavored.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: All right, So what we're doing today and I'll do
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  Speaker 2: the things, is we're going back into the film industry.
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  Speaker 2: Watches article on missingry and media. And incidentally, this is
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  Speaker 2: not a new thing. I can I'll give I'll give
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  Speaker 2: Brian a link in our discord to a rundown of
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  Speaker 2: how many times this has been pointed out in the
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  Speaker 2: last seventy five years, that media is extremely misinterest and
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  Speaker 2: that has an overtly negative portrayal of men. But yeah,
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  Speaker 2: so the Industry Watch is once again said, oh wow,
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  Speaker 2: or noticed that media is really misinterested and doesn't seem
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  Speaker 2: to really show men in a positive light. And once
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  Speaker 2: again the conclusion is, but don't get angry about it, guys,
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  Speaker 2: because that would be bad. So anyway, we'll go through
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  Speaker 2: that article and then we will finish off our our
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  Speaker 2: discussion of Byrony Claire's war on birth control, alleged war
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  Speaker 2: on birth control.
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  Speaker 1: So on her coverage of the way that women are
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  Speaker 1: being turned into chattel again. Yeah, that's also really what
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  Speaker 1: it comes down to.
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  Speaker 2: Way that women are being turned into chattel again by
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  Speaker 2: Byrony Claire. Yeah, so those are the things that we're
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  Speaker 1: Right, so I guess yeah, let's go ahead and get
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  Speaker 1: you want to get back into the article or do
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  Speaker 1: you want to go to any Claire's.
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  Speaker 2: Let's get back into the article. Like we stopped at
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  Speaker 2: toxic masculinity, let's go back into toxic masculinity.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, let's get into some toxic masculinity. So all right,
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  Speaker 1: so we this article for people who didn't see it before.
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  Speaker 1: It is a website called Film industrywatch dot org and
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  Speaker 1: someone actually wrote an article saying, you know what, I
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  Speaker 1: think we're shitting on men too much lately and there
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  Speaker 1: and they're pointing out some films and they're basically saying, look,
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  Speaker 1: this is it's also making bad art, which it is objectively,
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  Speaker 1: but yeah, what actually, you know what, I just found
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  Speaker 1: that message and I will send you the link on Discord.
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  Speaker 2: By the way, guys, if you want to join us
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  Speaker 2: on Discord and have these kinds of conversations and be
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  Speaker 2: part of a community that is not insane, you can
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  Speaker 2: Discord account and join us and have conversations with people
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  Speaker 2: who aren't insane. I'm just gonna say it. The rest
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  Speaker 2: of the world, the rest of y'all. It's like from
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  Speaker 2: a Hitchhiker. Have you ever read Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy.
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  Speaker 2: There's a there's this guy who has his uh his
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  Speaker 2: inside of his house on the outside, so when you
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  Speaker 2: go into his house, it's like the outside of his house,
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  Speaker 2: but the inside is on the outside. And he says
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  Speaker 2: that that's because of the rest of the world is
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  Speaker 2: the insane asylum. That's sort of where we're at. Uh So,
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  Speaker 2: But anyway, if you want to join us Badgination dot online,
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  Speaker 2: help us build a community of sanity. And I sent
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  Speaker 2: you the link so we can just briefly look at
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  Speaker 2: how long this has been a problem or this has
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  Speaker 2: been pointed out.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you want me to read this stuff in the link,
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  Speaker 1: then yeah, sure, yeah, yeah. One of our users in
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  Speaker 1: movies and television, which is one of the millions of
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  Speaker 1: chat rooms we have. Basically, our discord is a tartarus.
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  Speaker 1: A tartis you go in and there, it's so much
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  Speaker 1: bigger on the inside. So Number one, he says, men
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  Speaker 1: have criticized media representation of male characters for decades, proving
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  Speaker 1: that many current issues are long standing. Which yes, and
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  Speaker 1: he says Number one Daddy with a Difference, nineteen fifty four,
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  Speaker 1: Time Magazine, in television's stable of thirty five home life comedies,
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  Speaker 1: it is rare, a rare show that treats father as
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  Speaker 1: anything more than the mouse of the house, a bumbling
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  Speaker 1: excuse me, a bumbling, well meaning idiot who is putty
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  Speaker 1: in the hands of his wife and family. Number two
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  Speaker 1: ripped off Mozart nineteen eighty five by Asa Barber, Playboy Magazine.
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  Speaker 1: They're taking away our role models in movies, books and
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  Speaker 1: television shows. Men are being trivialized, and the message is this,
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  Speaker 1: you guys are mostly dumb, frivolous, awkward, and mouse like.
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  Speaker 1: And if you don't agree with that, you're sexist. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So Number three Male Bashing nineteen ninety one by Frederick Hayward,
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  Speaker 1: to be a man by far. Mail bashing is the
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  Speaker 1: most popular topic in my current talk shows and interviews.
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  Speaker 1: Trend is particularly rampant in advertising. In a survey of
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  Speaker 1: one thousand random advertisements, one hundred percent of the jerks
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  Speaker 1: singled out in male female relationships were male Number four
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  Speaker 1: Shining time Station Interviews Shining time Station Interviews Rick Siglecow
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  Speaker 1: two thousand and eight by Jay grattin sodor Inland fan site,
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  Speaker 1: Tom Jackson played the straight man Billy two Feathers to
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  Speaker 1: balance the antics between Schemer and Stacey. We also thought
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  Speaker 1: that he was a good role model for boys who
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  Speaker 1: don't who really don't see that many grounded men on television.
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  Speaker 1: So many men on kids' TV are buffoons or bad guys.
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  Speaker 1: Although I think that's.
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  Speaker 2: Changing, h yeah, really, no, it got worse.
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  Speaker 1: Eight. I think it's starting to change. No, it's gotten worse.
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  Speaker 2: It's gotten all right. So we have something being pointed
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  Speaker 2: out in nineteen fifty four, nineteen.
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  Speaker 1: Eighty, but I think it gets older than that. Like,
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  Speaker 1: do you remember the song anything you could do I
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  Speaker 1: Can do better?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: Like that that's how this is. Anything you can do
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  Speaker 1: I can do better is basically just feminist propaganda. Well, actually,
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  Speaker 1: if you.
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  Speaker 2: Watch the movie, it's it's sort of tweaking the nose
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  Speaker 2: of that attitude. So I wouldn't call that one. But
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  Speaker 2: maybe Father Knows Best question Mark, which was like a
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  Speaker 2: Victorian or a radio drama where it had some of these,
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  Speaker 2: like maybe a little bit milder kind of tropes. But
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  Speaker 2: I think this really started to get a lot of
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  Speaker 2: traction in the fifties when Hollywood produced its radical new
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  Speaker 2: reimagining of the relationship between men and women in the
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  Speaker 2: form of the homemaker and provider homemaker relationship. Prior to that,
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  Speaker 2: women provided in the home. Men may have gone out
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  Speaker 2: to work, but women were providing food, stuff, scan goods,
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  Speaker 2: all kinds and also doing most of the like real
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  Speaker 2: labor of the home when before it was taken over
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  Speaker 2: by automation. So and the and the and the change
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  Speaker 2: there in Hollywood is to change society West American society
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  Speaker 2: from a productive society to a consumptive society, which underpinned
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  Speaker 2: its role as the world reserve currency. So this is
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  Speaker 2: this is something that has a law like this is
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  Speaker 2: this has definitely started in the fifties because of that
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  Speaker 2: change in how we viewed men and women's roles and
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  Speaker 2: as a result of Hollywood reimagining those roles, and then
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  Speaker 2: you know, it's just gotten more and more worse and
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  Speaker 2: worse and worse and worse over the years. It's always
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  Speaker 2: getting worse, guys. I don't know. I can only imagine
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  Speaker 2: what the next iteration of how we are going to disparage, minimize,
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  Speaker 2: and ostracize masculinity will be. I don't even know what
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  Speaker 2: it would what could it possibly look like? Because at
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  Speaker 2: this point we're already at We're not even just at mockery,
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  Speaker 2: we're at overt violence. So hmmm, which is interesting considering
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  Speaker 2: recent events. Okay, let's suh all right.
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  Speaker 1: So now we're going to get into the section called
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  Speaker 1: toxic masculinity from pop psychology to Hollywood gospel hardly pop psychology.
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  Speaker 1: Actually it's just bullshit, but okay. Stel to this ideological
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  Speaker 1: shift is the rise of the concept of toxic masculinity.
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  Speaker 1: Coined in academic and therapeutic circles decades ago. The term
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  Speaker 1: entered the popular lexicon in the twenty tens and has
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  Speaker 1: since become a catch all in media and Hollywood for
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  Speaker 1: the stereotypical behaviors of men that are deemed destructive aggression,
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  Speaker 1: sexual entitlement, emotional repression, violence, you name it. Feminists have
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  Speaker 1: adopted toxic masculinity is shorthand to characterize the misogynist, abusive,
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  Speaker 1: or emotionally stunted behaviors common in men in public discourse
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  Speaker 1: and often in these films. Toxic masculinity doesn't refer to
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  Speaker 1: individual bad actors so much as it indicts an entire
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  Speaker 1: system of social conditioning. It's the idea that traditional norms
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  Speaker 1: of manhood, the old boys don't cry, I might makes
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  Speaker 1: right and sow your wild oats mentality create a poison
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  Speaker 1: that spreads through men's psyche society. I know, I just
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  Speaker 1: want to finish the sentence at least.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, No, feminist conjecture about how societies work is
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  Speaker 2: one percent wrong. It is worse than wrong. It is
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  Speaker 2: to the point, you know, what we're wrong is just
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  Speaker 2: it doesn't have any predictive value. Worse than wrong is
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  Speaker 2: it has reverse predictive value. If you actually assume the
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  Speaker 2: opposite of what feminism would say to assume generally, that's
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  Speaker 2: more accurate to reality. So feminist framework is absolutely a joke. Okay.
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  Speaker 2: And furthermore, these what they identify as so called toxic masculinity.
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  Speaker 2: Even if we set aside the large amount of domestic
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  Speaker 2: and sexual violence that women them says are responsible for
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  Speaker 2: the men who engage in these activities, the biggest causal
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  Speaker 2: factor has this is a new this is new stuff
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  Speaker 2: coming out. The biggest causal factor is having been subject
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  Speaker 2: to multiple forms of abuse as a child. All right,
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  Speaker 2: So this isn't This isn't the behavior of men who
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  Speaker 2: are socialized. This is the behavior of men who have
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  Speaker 2: been abused and not like it is a tiny minority
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  Speaker 2: of men who have been subject to multiple, multiple types
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  Speaker 2: of abuse that actually go on to do this kind
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  Speaker 2: of abusive behavior. It's like four percent of them, four percent.
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  Speaker 2: But this is the biggest causal factor identified that that
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  Speaker 2: boys who are hurt by their caregivers and the people
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  Speaker 2: that they should be able to trust go on to
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  Speaker 2: be aggressive or more likely to go on to be aggressive.
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  Speaker 2: And again this is a tiny minority of even those
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  Speaker 2: boys go on to be more aggressive, to be more violent,
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  Speaker 2: to engage in the behaviors that have been they have
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  Speaker 2: been subject to. Right, feminist theory or feminist conjecture is wrong.
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  Speaker 2: It is wrong about the source of these behaviors. It
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  Speaker 2: is wrong about the complicity of the rest of the
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  Speaker 2: world in developing these behaviors. It is just flat out wrong.
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  Speaker 2: And the fact that they control how we view ourselves
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  Speaker 2: as men and women is terrifying. You want to know
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  Speaker 2: why everything is going to shit? Okay, and I wouldn't
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  Speaker 2: I would even include that. I'm not saying it's wrong,
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  Speaker 2: but I'm saying that the conservative attempt to correct this
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  Speaker 2: is has lost so much ground because we are now
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  Speaker 2: fighting over a basic function of a society, which is
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  Speaker 2: to police its borders. Right, we are fighting that has
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  Speaker 2: become politicized under Obama, he deported way more than Trump
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  Speaker 2: ever deported. And yet this issue has become politicized when
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  Speaker 2: it is a simple function of a functioning society to
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  Speaker 2: do so to protect its borders. That is just a
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  Speaker 2: that's like having skin, right. We are now arguing over
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  Speaker 2: whether or not societies have the right to have skin.
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  Speaker 2: That is going. That is losing a lot of ground, friends,
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  Speaker 2: And the reason why we're losing all this ground and
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  Speaker 2: keep losing this ground, and the issues regarding myss injury
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  Speaker 2: in the media just keep getting worse, is because feminists
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  Speaker 2: define the relationship between men and women. That is at
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  Speaker 2: the heart of it. It is a systemic issue that
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  Speaker 2: they have claimed the most important definitional of definitional relationship
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  Speaker 2: in our society, and they define it and they pump
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  Speaker 2: it out into the media and everything gets worse. We
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  Speaker 2: are a society at war with itself because of that. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: I will let you do a rejoinder to that, Brian,
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  Speaker 2: I'm just gonna what or do you want to reply
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  Speaker 2: to that? Do you want to say that I said
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  Speaker 2: anything wrong?
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  Speaker 1: Or no? I mean, no, I know I don't have
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  Speaker 1: an issue with any of that. Yeah, I mean, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: you know how I feel about toxic masculinity. It's nonscience.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it is nonscience.
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  Speaker 1: It's yeah, it's nonsense, nonsense, nonscience.
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  Speaker 2: It's not even it is not even approaching science. Right
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  Speaker 2: if somebody pulled up something, it even isn't even approaching
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  Speaker 2: something that can be like, nobody think about it. If
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  Speaker 2: you're a guy and people start talking about men oppressing women,
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  Speaker 2: just say do you honestly believe that?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: And people will just be like, they won't have an
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  Speaker 2: answer for it because it's against their own common sense
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  Speaker 2: and they know it is this lie perpetuates itself because
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  Speaker 2: nobody says, do you really believe that? Because the instant
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  Speaker 2: that people men women start saying, do you really believe
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  Speaker 2: that men oppress women? People are just like it's like
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  Speaker 2: you will see the blue screen of death crossed their
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  Speaker 2: eyes because they have no answer to that, because it
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  Speaker 2: just exposes the lack of common sense, the lack of
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  Speaker 2: rationality to it. But do you honestly believe that? All right,
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  Speaker 2: that's all you have to do, because they have no
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  Speaker 2: answer to it, because this is a situation of the
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  Speaker 2: emperor has no clothes. We all have collectively agreed to
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  Speaker 2: believe this nonsense, and the only way that this nonsense
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  Speaker 2: maintains itself is our collective agreement to not question it
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  Speaker 2: at all. Ever, Yep, okay, all right.
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  Speaker 1: So toxic masculinity again. I'm glad that there is an
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  Speaker 1: attempt to critique it. I just think is like a
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  Speaker 1: little bit behind what's been going on. But I appreciate
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  Speaker 1: that they're at least trying to figure this out. So
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  Speaker 1: let's see. Uh yeah, so let's go to the next paragraph.
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  Speaker 1: Hollywood's new narratives have embraced this concept with zeal in
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  Speaker 1: film after film. The worst male characters are practically case
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  Speaker 1: studies in toxic masculinity, domineering, violent, unable to empathize, and
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  Speaker 1: ultimately pathetic. I don't want to say anything about that.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, yes, but then again, like there is one
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  Speaker 1: thing I wanted to add from before. There is no
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  Speaker 1: distinction between toxic masculinity and just plain old masculinity. It's
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  Speaker 1: all toxic. Like there's no there's no point in adding
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  Speaker 1: the descriptor because the way that it's the way that
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  Speaker 1: it's treated is they take everything masculine and then they
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  Speaker 1: make it cartoonishly absurd, and then they call it normal
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  Speaker 1: and they say this is what men are, you know,
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  Speaker 1: So like men having an interest in women, for example,
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  Speaker 1: just like women you know, sexually or or whatever it is,
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  Speaker 1: they always have to take it further to the point
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  Speaker 1: of being predatory, violent, rape, et cetera. And then but
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  Speaker 1: they never present a guy who's just interested in a girl,
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  Speaker 1: like just or just appreciates attractive women. That's just an example,
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  Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Like, if a man is
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  Speaker 1: competitive in fiction and they're trying to put this toxic
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  Speaker 1: masculinity narrative, there are no healthy competitions. Everything is like
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  Speaker 1: hyper aggressive, hyper dominant cartoonishly, you know, almost like homo
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  Speaker 1: erotic in a way, like they'll try to suggest that
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  Speaker 1: because that's another way that these people shame men is
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  Speaker 1: they accuse them of secretly being gay, as though being
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  Speaker 1: gay is somehow bad, but it's not bad because that's
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  Speaker 1: homophobic and they can't do that. But at the same
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  Speaker 1: time they think you might be gay but closet or something,
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  Speaker 1: so they try to suggest it with their media the
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  Speaker 1: way they tell their stories. And it's basically there there
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  Speaker 1: is no such thing as normal, healthy masculinity in the
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  Speaker 1: world of our media. It's all bad. So there's no
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  Speaker 1: point in making the distinction, is what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, no, there isn't because and there's no point
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  Speaker 2: making the distinction. They and again this is an emperor
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  Speaker 2: has no closed situation. They don't want to admit to
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  Speaker 2: their statements that no, we mean all masculinity is bad.
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  Speaker 2: But just if you want to know that they mean
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  Speaker 2: all masculinity is bad, just ask them what is positive masculinity,
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  Speaker 2: and that means traits and behaviors you associate with men
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  Speaker 2: in masculinity more than you associate with with women in femininity,
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  Speaker 2: and the same way that you associate toxic traits with
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  Speaker 2: men in masculinity. So that's a complete stumper for them.
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  Speaker 2: The best they can do is to say, well, traditional
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  Speaker 2: notions of masculinity had these positive traits, and I said,
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  Speaker 2: well do you, And the answer is, of course know,
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  Speaker 2: because they think that associating those positive traits with men
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  Speaker 2: is misogyny because you're not associating them with women. So
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  Speaker 2: they have absolutely no answer, no real answer to what
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  Speaker 2: is positive masculinity. So what they're saying when they say
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  Speaker 2: toxic masculinity is all masculinity. They think all masculinity is
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  Speaker 2: toxic and not just stuff that we have associated with men,
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  Speaker 2: like competition, like stoicism and that kind of stuff. They
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  Speaker 2: also associate gender neutral ills like sexual violence and domestic
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  Speaker 2: violence with men, right, And then they associate it not
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  Speaker 2: with men who are abused, which is what the science says,
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: and it's a minority of men who are abused. Okay,
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: what it actually is is men who are abused plus
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: genetic factors that lead to low impulse control. Right, That
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: is a tiny minority of all men. So even if
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: you abuse like all men, most of them won't go
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: on to abuse others. They'll just take it even as children,
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: they'll just take it. Only the ones who also have
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: impulse control problems will go on to abuse, and not
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: even all of them. Right, So this is an extremely
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: unlikely occurrence with very specific parameters in reality. And they
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: attribute it to the relationship between men. They attribute it
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: to male socialization, They attribute it to the boys club,
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: they attribute it to masculinity. That is absolute bullshit, one
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: hundred percent bullshit, And everybody knows it's bullshit in academia.
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: Even I think the feminists know it's bullshit, but they
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: keep doing it because they are pushing a particular version
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: of the relationship between men and women that makes the money.
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: And that's what this has always been about, since changing
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: the female role from homesteader to homemaker, consumptive consumer, from
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: producer to consumer. Since that moment, it has been about
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: making money and not just income because this happened well
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: before women women went into the workforce. This happened when
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: Hollywood constructed the homemaker. It is been about money. Since then.
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: It has been about money, and it's all that it's about.
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: That's it. They are destroying the relationship between men and
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: women to make money and to control people.
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: Because that's to guide the culture. There's some there's like
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: I said, really at this point, yeah, force the culture,
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: but like, yeah, it's it's to control people. That that's
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: what allegations of sexism are too. They're just ways to
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: control people. That's what toxic masculinity as a concept is.
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: It's designed to control male behavior. It's to make men
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: feel like they need to act a different way so
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: that they're not being toxic because, surprise, surprise, the last
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: thing men want to do in general is harm women
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: and be dangerous to them. So if women say this
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: is toxic and I don't like it, men are going
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: to be like, well, I'm going to try to change it.
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: And at least that's what the hope is. But anyway,
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: back to the article, the Barbie movie outright name checks
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: patriarchy is Ken's newfound religion, lampooning its absurdity, promising young
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: women all but uses the praise toxic masculinity and its
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: premise character feign's helpless drunkenness precisely to expose men's ingrained
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: predatory responses and behind the scenes. This viewpoint has been
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: validated by mainstream institutions. Yes, all this is true and
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: here we go in twenty eighteen, and we covered this, like,
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: this is all stuff that we've covered on this show
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: when it happened. In twenty eighteen, the influential American Psychological
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: Association released its first ever guidelines for therapists working with
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: boys and men, and it pointedly declared that traditional masculinity
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: is psychologically harmful. So they're not even saying toxic. They're
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: calling it traditional masculinity. They've also called it hegemonic masculinity.
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: They that basically it's just masculinity though, like it's just
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: all masculine things and even like Alison said, even non
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: gendered things that men do, you know, become women. They
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: become associated, Yeah, that men and women do, but they
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: become associated only with men and you know and basically
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: erase from women.
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, exactly, they are becoming raised from women.
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: The thing is that when they when sorry, guys, I
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: have I've lost my train of thought, but yeah, they
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: just associate these negative things with women. They basically may
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: our men. They basically make men into scapegoats for everything
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: negative in society. And they do it because this narrative
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: makes money. That's it. Yeah, Okay, And it's also allows
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: them to control people, or justify control and justify more
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: and more government overreach. Because if you basically say that
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: the natural relationship, the most basic natural relationship in society
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: is tainted beyond repair, that is, that is the command narrative,
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: master narrative of government control. Is it. There's nothing that
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: that government can't justify controlling at that point, because that
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: that is every relationship, the relationship between men and women,
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: is the relationship between men and men, the relationship between
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: women and women, the relationship between everybody and everybody. You
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: control that, You got the master narrative, and you have
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: given yourself the right to put your nose into everybody's
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: business and control every transaction in society.
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: All right, Yeah, so uh, you know what the whole
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: thing about. Well, let me finish this paragraph and then
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: I'll say okay. So, the APA warned that socializing boys
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: to be stoic, competitive, and aggressive leads to a host
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: of problems, from mental illness to violence. In effect, the
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: APA distilled toxic masculinity into an official stance the time.
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: Honor traits of manhood, strength, stoicism, and dominance were recast
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: as risk factors or pathologies to be curbed. Yes, that's right.
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: So like what I was thinking, like like as an
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: example of like this kind of way of using this
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: language to control people, it's like magic in caseations. You know,
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: you call a man toxic, or you talk about toxic masculinity,
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: you don't even have to accuse someone in particular of
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: doing it to cause a reaction in them, because they're
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: gonna suddenly be wary of it. I mean, basically every
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: male feminist is essentially trained by this word. That's why
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: they're the they can be so like you know, aggressive
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: against other men when it comes to protecting women, because
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: that's like the way that it's been engineered. And I
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: was thinking about puppies. So when puppies play, they you
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: know how dogs play, They use their mouth, that's like
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: basically their primary way of playing, and they play bite,
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: you know, Like Jojo play bites me all the time
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: when I want to play with him. And it's because
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: he knows how much pressure to apply when he's playing.
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: And he's been doing it since he was a puppy too,
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: because we used to do dog sitting and we'd have
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: other dogs over and Jojo would play with all the
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: other dogs. So he's very good with dogs and people.
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: But sometimes when puppies are learning, they might accidentally bite
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: a little too hard on the other dog, and when
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: they do, the other dog will give a yelp. And
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: if it's not a psycho dog that the one that's
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: doing the biting, if it's like a well socialized animal,
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: it will immediately realize that it's hurt the other dog
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: and change his behavior. It'll stop, or it'll check on
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: him or whatever. And that reaction is the same kind
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: of thing they're trying to get out of men. So
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: it's like the whole you're hurting me, and then men
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: are supposed to immediately stop and say, oh my god,
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: what do I do to stop this? But they're making
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: an appeal to that in men while also claiming it
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: doesn't exist in men because of toxic masculinity. So when
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: you realize it is just a method of control, then
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: you know, you can like discern, you know, like the
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: difference between hurting someone in reality, and then you can
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: like make a men's for that, or you realize that
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: they're manipulating you, and then you can you know, go
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: from there basically like this is a control thing you're doing, so.
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: And I remembered the thing that I wanted to point out.
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: You notice how they're talking about traditional masculinity. And what's
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: interesting is, again, if I say, hey, what do you
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: recognize that that's positive about about masculinity? Often they'll refer
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: to traditional masculinity. But now traditional masculinity is in the
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: sites as being the cause of men's mental health issues. So,
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: in other words, masculinity is not maybe not a disease yet,
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: but a precursor to a disease. It's kind of like
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: smoking before getting blung cancer. It's a precursor behavior before
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: disease occurs. Yep, oh, good lord.
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: Anyway, all right, back to the article. So critics have
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: noted that this concept, once fringe, is now virtually orthodoxy
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: and liberal media entertainment. The term toxic masculinity itself might
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: not be spoken within these films as dialogue, but its
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: ethos undergirds them. Impressed Junk gets. In interviews, creatives frequently
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: talk about examining or deconstructing toxic masculinity through their work.
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: There's another movie that I think, I know we tried
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: to talk about it before, but Allison didn't watch it,
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: but it was a It was a folk horror movie
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: called Men, and it was basically this. It was it
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: presented a world, this scary world this woman went to
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: where all the men look like the same guy and
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: they all had like a kind of they were watch
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: in one of the traits. Did you watch it?
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: Yep, it was. It was bizarre.
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was bizarre, and it was trying to be
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: I think it was up its own ass a lot.
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: But the but the but the takeaway was you had
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: all these men in this little town and in England,
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: in the countryside, and they were all played by the
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: same actor, and he was doing different accents and stuff
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: like showing his range, I guess you could say. But
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: all the characters he played were like a different facet
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: of masculinity and it was all bad. Like they were
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: dismissing you know. There were dismissive cops that were like,
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: oh you know, what were you wearing? There was it
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: was all of the feminists. It was like the checkboxes,
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: you know. There was like the predatory priest. There was
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: the violent boy like it and the the you know,
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: and there were no good men in the movie at all,
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: like none. Even her ex boyfriend was a terrible piece
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: of shit and it was obviously just doing this. It
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: was like it was like something that I think was
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: probably made so that it could be shown in schools.
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: That's what I think, like for some film class so
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: then they could like talk about essentially not art because
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: it was not good in my opinion, but rather the concepts.
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: But I'm just saying, like, this is just another example
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: of how you can you know, they put all these
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: talks masculinity themes in movies without actually saying the term
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: toxic masculinity because you don't have to because to them,
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: it's just masculinity anyway. So they're just showing men as
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: they see them. So because everyone in Hollywood has daddy issues,
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: apparently the movie is called Men. Yeah, it's just called Men.
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: I forget the horror director, but he has I think
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: it's Garland. Alex Garland I think made it. But anyway, okay,
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: so let's see in press junkets and interviews, creatives frequently
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: talk about examining or deconstructing toxic masculinity through their work.
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: That's why I brought up Men. For many, it's seen
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: as a necessary re education of the audience, but others
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: argue it has become a blunt instrument pathologizing all things male.
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: Hey remember Felt? I mean that one. That's another one.
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: It was essentially about a serial killer, a woman seal killer,
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: but it was trying to justify what she does.
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: If you if you ever need to like jumpstart a puke,
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: just just watch Felt.
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: FBLT.
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: It's like you got really your your stomach's really like
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: burning and in pain, you know, and you just you
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: want it over with Squatchfelt it is. It is the
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: essence of nausea.
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: Yep, Hey, I got a super chow.
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: Cool.
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: It's a two parter though it's fifty and five. Oh,
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: the pung raiser is not up, so I don't know
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: where the fifty went.
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: Uh. Probably don't I put the ability to put like
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: a tip in on the tip. Oh yeah, okay, so
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: it might have gone in there. I could take a look.
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: But all right, well, Gary Thomas, thank you so much.
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: Gary gives us fifty and five and says, speaking of
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: male representation in media, I watched Ordinary People starring Donald
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: Sutherland and Mary Tyler Moore yesterday. That movie would never
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: be allowed to be made today because it shows men
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: being more emotionally mature than women in dealing with tragedy. Hmmm,
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: ordinary people, that's a is that an old movie? It's well,
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: Mary Tyler Moore, it's got to be old.
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: I wonder if that might have been an accent, because
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: it looks like it's two super chow's. Unless it was
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: really eager to do like a specifically that amount. I
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: don't know, so I hopefully it wasn't an accident. Again,
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: thank you for that amount?
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Gary, thank you.
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: Gary, Thank you Gary. Gary the snail.
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: Oh all right anyway, Okay, So for many it's seen
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: as a necessary re education of the audience, but others
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: argue that it's become a blunt instrument pathologizing all things male.
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: For conservatives, the concept of toxic masculinity knocks down the
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: virtues and ways of life they hold dear, strength, honor, duty,
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: and bravery. One observer rights, noting how this rhetoric essentially
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: recasts positive male attributes as negatives. I would just say
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: that I don't think it's a conservative thing to just
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: want men to be normal, and I hate that they
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: associate it with that. Maybe that's because that's what it
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: sounds like these days, but I don't think that that
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: is inherently unless the paradigm you're making is that you're
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: either if you're if you're okay with being a man,
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: like your identity as a man is okay as it
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: is regardless of what that looks like. If that is
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: considered to be conservative, then I guess that's what it is.
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: But like, I wouldn't I wouldn't want to die on
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: that hill. Like, I don't think that's good. That's like
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: you're alienating half of the population by saying, you know,
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: I don't know by describing it that way, but I
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: I mean, I have cause to believe that that is
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: actually the goal.
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: So no, it's at this point. It is like it's
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: at this point masculinity is everything that the left isn't
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: Apparently everything that you left wants to escapegoat. It all
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: comes down to masculinity. If you look at the uh,
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: the the Smithsonian's list of white behaviors, they're all basically
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: masculine behaviors.
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: Yep, because the Smithsonians on what whiteness is, it's all
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: masculine stuff. Yeah. But anyway, okay, well that's what I've
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: been saying too, by the way, for a long time
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: with regards to all this. You know, these other kinds
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: of conversations happening around different identity groups, and I'm like,
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: this is all just men and women though, like at
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: the end of the day, all the other stuff doesn't
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: really matter. But anyway, all right, Uh, Indeed, with that,
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: whenever you traditionally masculine trade is viewed with suspicion, culture
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: edges towards implying that masculinity itself is a disease. That's yeah,
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: that's where we're where. We're way past that though. But
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: nowhere was this cultural clash more evident than in the
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: reaction to a certain shaving razor commercial in twenty nineteen.
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: Gillette's now famous advertisement, launched in the heat of hashtag
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: me too, directly invoked the phrase toxic masculinity and urged
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: men to be better, to intervene against harassment, to shed
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: the old boys will be boys excuses. Also, it produced
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: a lot of memes. A lot of memes came out
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: of that. The ad showed scenes of bullying, cat calling,
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: and boardroom sexism, asking pointedly, is this the best a
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: man can get? A twist on the company's classic slogan.
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: The backlash was immediate and ferocious. Many men and some
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: women blasted the ad as an unfair generalization that implied
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: most men were sexual harassmers or violent thugs and was
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: merely virtue signaling corporate pandering. Prominent and conservative actor James Wood,
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: it's accused you let of jumping on the men are
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: horrible campaign. Do you want to say anything right now?
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: Or or is that Oh Alison's not here right now? Okay,
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: I looked away for a second.
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: I can hear you. I'm here. I just I'm trying
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: to fix this damn light that's blowing out the background
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: and causing all of these like it changes how the
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: light balances so that it makes my face dimmer, and
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: so the only way I have lost the click So
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: here are your technical difficulties everyone. I've lost the clicker
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: to that light. So it's blown out the background. It's
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: now beaming on Grow Grow, and I have to get
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: rid of it or my husband is actually going to
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: get rid of it. So that's going to happen momentarily.
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: So I'm just dealing with that right now. So I
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: am here. I am listening to you, Brian, I'm just distracted. Distracted, yes, okay,
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: but continue.
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: All right? Anyway? Uh on YouTube, the commercials dislikes quickly
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: far out numbered likes. The Gellette saga is instructive. It
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: revealed how polarized the concept of toxic masculinity have become.
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: To one side, it was a long overdue call for accountability.
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: To the other, it felt like an all out attack
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: on male identity. I don't think that it was polarized.
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: If Gillette ended up having to retract it, I think
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: that you guys were just wrong about that. Like I
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: don't know, like this whole idea of like, man, this
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: is who this has people divided. It's like, no, you're wrong,
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: and some people stupidly agreed with you, But that means
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: that you're still wrong. So that's basically what the result is.
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: It's not oh my god, my opinions they're just the same,
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: but they just happened to be opposite. No, there's a
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: correct answer and there's an incorrect answer, and you guys
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: have chosen the incorrect answer, or at least the people
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: that you're talking about that think that this is a
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: long overdue call for accountability, Like that's never happened before.
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: Do you remember in the Gillette commercial, there was like
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: there was a clip of and this is the one
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: that got Memed the most of an attractive woman walking
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: on the street and a white dude that noticed her
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: and wanted to talk to her, and his black friend
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: stepped in, or maybe it was some random black guy
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: that was there and basically put his hand on his
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: chest and said, no, man, it's not cool. Not cool.
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: He literally says not cool, not cool, which, by the way,
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: is in And the reason I'm bringing it up is
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: that it is in no way harassment. Like all he
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: wanted to do was talk to her, nothing else. She
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: was in public, she was walking down the street looking good,
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: you know, skin glistening, titties bouncing like that one girl
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: in the other video. That was like, why isn't anybody
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: approaching me anymore? And he was going to do it.
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: Nobody on there looked creepy or unattractive or anything. And
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: his friend's just like, no, that's not cool. And that's
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: supposed to be an example of toxic masculinity approaching women
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: in public. That's it. That's all. It was so just bear.
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: That was the That was how normalized it was as
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: a concept. You know what it came from. I think
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: do you remember that viral video that was one of
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: the early viral videos of a woman walking around New
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: York City for ten hours, and it was like it
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: was like a compilation of every time she got cat
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: called or somebody said something to her. And it turned
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: out I think it produced about I want to say,
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: like two minutes of content that they ended up putting out.
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: I think that was what the inspiration was.
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, I've solved the issue with the lighting.
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: All right, Well that's good. I'm glad.
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: All right, Okay.
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: Hollywood's current crop of films decidedly take the former stance.
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: They presume toxic masculinity is real and pernicious, and they
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: set out to critique or lampoon it. The result, intentionally
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: or not, is that a lot of traditional male behavior
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: now shows up on screen coded sick, stoic, emotionally distant
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: father figure. Likely he'll be portrayed as failing his family.
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: And then they give an example. The Banshees of in
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: His Sharon and The Whale in recent years both depict lonely,
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: taciturn men whose inability to communicate leads to personal tragedy.
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: I never seen those movies. I think The Whale is
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: the one with Brendan Fraser and he's like over, he's
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: like a really fat guy, and I thought I thought
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: his character was gay though I thought he was like
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: fat and gay.
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: So gay is this straight man of gay? Yeah?
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: Gay men are the straight white people of gay people.
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: So anyway, and the benshees of in a Sheron I
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: think was when I was kind of interested in because
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: it has I don't remember. I think it's an Irish thing.
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: But anyway, a man who loves flirting or womanizing, he's
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: probably going to be either a clown like the Ken's
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: in Barbie or a villain. The charming date rapist of
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: promising young woman in righteous anger or physical courage in
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: a man traits that for decades, where the backbone of
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: hero archetypes are now often shown as double edge or
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: outright dangerous, this isn't the same and you know, let
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: me go back to that real quick, righteous anger, physical courage.
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: They are often used in hero stereotype or hero archetypes,
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: but they're also I think something that like we need
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: men to have, like if we want to, like, who's
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: going to protect you from danger if not someone who
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: has you know, a sense of physical courage in them
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: or righteous anger that has been encouraged. Like what, okay,
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: let's back up for a second. We have discouraged this,
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: this trait in men so much that they are and
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: I don't even disagree with them doing this, but they're
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: literally not stepping in when women are in trouble, you know,
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: because what happens when they do. Look at Daniel Penny,
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: the guy who intervened when a homeless guy was freaking
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: out on the train threatening to kill people, and Daniel
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: Penny stepped in and he got arrested for his trouble.
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: So like the the you know again that this is
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: why men aren't aren't stepping in, and it's and it's
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: something that we just don't encourage because we do consider
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: it to be toxic or at least the you know,
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: our media is trying to say that. So yeah, they're
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: they're trying. It's it is on purpose.
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: Anyway, Yep, I'm back, I'm good.
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: Okay, okay, all right. This isn't to say there are
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: no positive male characters anymore, but in the films drawing
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: the most buzz, those characters tend to be supporting players
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: or deliberately non traditional men. For example, Ken and Barbie
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: only learn sympathy once he breaks down in tears and
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: admits his insecurities, essentially when he relinquishes the performative alpha
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: male mask. I don't want to talk about Barbie anymore.
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: It's a remarkable cultural pivot. We've gone from James Bond
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: seducing women and saving the day with naria thought to
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: his macho antics to a landscape where the character a character. Huh.
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: The assumption here is that there's a backlash because yeah,
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: James Bond. And also, you guys like this is flanderizing
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: James Bond. You know that in Goldfinger his only weapon
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: was his sexuality because he had to basically seduce pussy
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: galore to his side to get anything done in that movie, right,
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: So he he was actually playing what we what today
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: we would consider a more feminine role, which is the
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: role of seducers.
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's also not that's actually not a unique
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: thing for even uh stuff before that, where you have
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: the hero, the protagonist in a situation where he has
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: to use his sexuality to charm a woman who is
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: his enemy to like help him. And this is the
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: common this is a common thing that they have done
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: in a lot of the pulp stories like like Flash Gordon.
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: Do you remember Flash Gordon? You ever see that one
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: with the Queen soundtrack? Flash has to escape prison. He's
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: like being captured or Who's gonna be executed by Ming
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: the Merciless And it is Ming's daughter, Princess Aura that
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: saves him because she wants him, she desires him sexually.
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: But but she but like it's only because of that
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: that he was basically powerless. Like it wasn't like, you know,
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: it wasn't like he was trying to charm her because
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: he wasn't he actually was interested in Dale. But yeah,
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: like it's not uncommon that you would find these stories
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: where you know, a man, either his his charm or
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: his looks or his sexuality manages to essentially gain him
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: favor with a woman who eventually turns to his side.
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: And it's not even about like just banging them, because
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: like I said, Flash didn't didn't bang her, He didn't
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: get Princess Aura. Yeah, this is a shame because she
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: was badass. That was a hot chick. But Ornella MOUTI
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: look her up anyway, I'm sorry, go ahead.
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I mean it's like the men using their
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: sexuality in a pro social way. And I mean there's
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: also plenty of the reverse in films too, of course,
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: that's disappeared in current cinema, and uh, and they ignore it,
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: they ignore that this is this was something that James
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: Bond did in one of his at least one of
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: his excabades. And and also what's wrong with escapist fiction
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: for men? What's wrong with that? Right? What's wrong? And
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: also why is it seen as counter to reality? James
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: Bond is canonically a very attractive man and very suave
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: and has all this kind of gadgets that would suggest
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: some kind of uh, you know, access to wealth or
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: at least resources, and as we know, these are the
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: kinds of men that women like. So it's accurate to reality, right,
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: It's it's so it's it's not even denying what women
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: like in men. Okay, So you can't even say that, oh,
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: James Bond is a schlub and it's just a power,
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: it's just a it's just a wish fulfillment fantasy for
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: schlubby males. That's that's not even you can't even say
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: that it's entirely consistent with what observable reality is in
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: regards to men like James Bond and how well they
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: do in the dating market today. Right, That's that's that's
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: patently observable. So what what is your complaint this guy?
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: And I'm and I'm not even talking to feminists. I'm
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: talking to this man. James Bond did not need a backlash.
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: No, there's nothing wrong with No, did not need a backlash.
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: The male characters from the fifties and the forties did
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: not need a backlash. Okay, And if you actually watch
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: those films, the female characters are better rendered and they
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: better command their space than they do now. I remember
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: watching back to back some Agatha Christie movies from like
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: the fifties and then again in the naughties or whatever
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: we're calling this current era of trash, and the women
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: in the Agatha Christie movies from the fifties absolutely commanded
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: the space that they were in. They were characters, every
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: single one of them had a verifiable character and was
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: riveting on the screen. And I remember watching this like this,
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: this it was a I don't call the exact title,
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: but they were on an island. Someone had been murdered
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: and the I think it was it was a female
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: amateur sleuth who was trying to figure it all out.
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: Don't quote me on that, but I'm pretty sure. Oh no,
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: it might have been Proo either one of those two.
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: And every single woman in that show was a force,
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: like she was memorable, she had amazing lines, charismatic and
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: they were all and a lot of them were like fighting.
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: So it was it was this fascinating thing going on
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: and it was riveting. And then we watched very probably
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: not a good idea, We watched a remake of one
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: of I think Agatha's Christie's less impressive stories from a
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: few years a few years ago from today, so in
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: the twenties, and I remember there was one scene. First
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: of all, it had a lot of gross out, which
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: I guess is a thing now. But then there was
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: one scene where I kicked you not four women were
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: quailing in terror in rapid succession, and every time there
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: was a man and a woman on the screen, the
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: woman was like, I'm like, it's such a stark change.
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: Like the fifties. The woman comes into the room and
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: she's like, I'm arrived, you know, And and there's this
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: physical dog there's even like this kind of deference that
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: these women in the fifties got physically that I don't
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: know if women get anymore. And you know, and and
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: they would command the room with their.
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: Wife when a woman walked in, all the men was
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: fanned up. Yeah, the command or something.
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: They commanded the room with their wit and charisma. And
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: then we go to the twenty twenties and everyone's like, like,
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: good lord, Like this is a regression. We go from
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: female characters who are fascinating to female characters who are terrified.
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: They just catch a whiff of a man and they're like, oh,
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: are they just melt into a puddle of nothing? Or alternatively,
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: they turn into these girl bosses who just kick the
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: shit out of every man in the room.
• 50:19
  Speaker 3: Absolutely absurdly, because this is just total bullshit, Like it's
• 50:24
  Speaker 3: believable for a woman to be charismatic, it's believable for
• 50:27
  Speaker 3: her to have a sharp wit, it's believable.
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: That stuff is believable. A ninety pound woman kicking a
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: man in the face is not believable unless she he's
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: paid for her to do it and it's part of
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: some kind of scene. But this stuff is it's just anyway,
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: Just to get back to it, there was nothing wrong
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: with cinema in the fifties. There's nothing wrong with cinema
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: in the forties, the twenties, the thirties, go watch it.
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: There was nothing wrong with how women were depicted. Nothing.
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: I just read recently watched something called Cat People from
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: the nineteen forty two and again women have.
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: That one.
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: It is sort of it's thrill. It's too slow. It's
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: not really as scary as a horror movie. It's more
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: like a thriller. But the women in the show again command,
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: you know, physically, like their space. But it's interesting because
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: the men are depicted in a different way. The man
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: who basically the story is that he marries a wear
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: cat okay spoilers guys for something, Yeah, and she can't
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: actually consummate with him because if she does, she's terrified
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: that she'll kill him. And he's actually incredibly patient with her.
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: But while he's going through this, he has a friend,
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: a female friend, work colleague who's sort of supporting him
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: through this and trying to help him, and he starts
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: to grow closer to her because his wife life is
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: becoming really scary else to describe it, and she's it
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: comes through And the thing is the way he's depicted,
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: he's depicted as genuine. He's depicted as warm and loving
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: and also terrified by some of the crap that's going on,
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: but at the same time as he steps up to
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: actually protect his his female friend, work colleague. And it's
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: it's really, it's it's really, it's really interesting to see
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: how the relationships between men and women have evolved since then.
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: And there's no there's no like. The women in the
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: show are not dismissed as characters. Neither the wearcat nor
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: the female colleague who's a friend who eventually they I guess,
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: have a develop a romantic attachment, not before he does.
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: He gets his his relationship an old or as marriage
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: and old, but they develop a romantic attachment. And neither
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: of the women in this because it's a very small story.
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: Actually none of the women, even the cleaning lady, has
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: more character and charisma and presence, and the waitress and
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: the and the the the woman at the receptionist, all
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: of which who had jobs. And the wear cat also
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: had a job and had her own apartment. What a surprise,
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: considering she wasn't allowed to have a bank account, supposedly
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: according to feminists. Yeah, go watch these old movies to
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: find out how feminists are actually full of shit. But anyway,
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: every single female character in that movie was fascinating. Was
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: it had her moment to shine and she shone and
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: she was in She was charismatic, she commanded a space, witty.
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: Something was cool about her. And you do you watch
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: today and you either have the victims of patriarchy or
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: the smashers of patriarchy, and that's it for women, or
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: or the sinister house of the sinister conservative woman. That's it,
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: that's it. Those are the three archetypes of woman.
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: You know, that red wife, or you have your patriarchy
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: smasher or your patriarchy victim. Yeah, yeah, I.
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: Mean the smoking cleaning lady who does like this chain
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: smoking cleaning lady watching all these antics. She was hilarious
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: in a way that the woman and behind the reception
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: of the colleague woman's apartment building. Oh she also had
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: her own apartment by the way, in the forties. Amazing, huh.
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: She was. She had like this this sort of brassy
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: Bostonian accent and she was amusing too. So, like every
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: single female character was was fun and cool. And now
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: we have this in the modern era, we have Mary Sue,
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: We have We have boss Babe, who all she needs
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: to learn is that she's enough. We have the sinister
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: conservative woman as a potential villain right, who doesn't realize
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: how oppressed she is, but perpetuates oppression anyway. And then
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: we have the the put upon traditional woman whose love
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: for a man is going to be her greatest weakness.
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: Those are those are our archetypes today, stereotypes today, Guys,
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: isn't it fun? Isn't isn't media engrossing? Okay, m.
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: All right, let's see.
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Peter Houston says in It's a Wonderful life, lots
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: of women seem to have bank accounts.
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, weird, It is weird.
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: Huh. It's like feminism is telling you a line of bullshit.
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: Almost almost all right. It's a remarkable cultural pivot. We've
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: gone from James Bond seducing women and saving the day
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: with naria thought to his macho antics, to a landscape
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: where a character like Bond is presented as a problematic
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: relic or subverted as an object of critique in essence masculinity.
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: It's has been put on trial at our movies, Yes,
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: and the verdict from the creative class more often than
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: not is guilty as charged gender politics and the culture
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: war on masculinity. This cinematic trend doesn't exist in a vacuum.
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: It mirrors and feeds into a wider socio political context.
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: In American culture, especially, gender has become intensely politicized to
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: reign in recent years, with masculinity often in the crosshairs.
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: I would add, though, I know they're saying American culture especially,
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: but I don't know, man, the UK is catching up
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: if they're not like surpassing it, because a lot of these,
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: a lot of the films that we're talking about are
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: like they have they're basically UK movies on Hollywood budgets,
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: and also like they're they're actually putting some of this
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: content into school curricula like adolescents, which is in fact,
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: you know, a part of this whole machine. So anyway,
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: but yeah, it's basically all over the well, I wouldn't
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: even say just the West, It's all over the world.
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: Like there was a video game that came out from
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: Japan recently, Silent Hill f and apparently the F stands
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: for feminism because it is like has nothing to do
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: with the franchise historically of Silent Hill. It was like
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: a feminist movie that they decided they needed to change
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: the title of because they thought if they didn't have
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: the word Silent Hill in it somewhere, it wouldn't sell.
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: But it was essentially about a girl with daddy issues,
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: and like, you know, it's it's it's a feminist video game,
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: like and this is Japanese, like this is not American,
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: so but anyway, so yeah, no, it's all over the world.
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: The war on men that some commentators decry is in
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: large part a reaction to the kind of messaging Hollywood
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: is now amplifying, messaging that aligns closely with progressive, feminist
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: informed politics. Indeed, the US Democratic Party's messaging and left
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: leaning media in the Trump and post Trump years have
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: frequently portrayed traditional masculinity as something suspect or needing reform. Meanwhile,
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: conservatives have seized on this to rally men to their side,
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: arguing that the left is demonizing half the population. All right,
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: I don't like this language about conservatives seizing on it.
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: If you're just treating men like normal, that's not seizing
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: on it. That's just not attacking them. And it's not
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: like conservatives don't have their own way of attacking men too.
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: It's just more of the old fashioned way of doing it.
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I would argue that it might be
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: the more of the old fashioned way of doing it.
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: But also a lot of conservatives are failing in actually
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: holding women accountable to the old fashion expectations. And I
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: would even say that I'm not even sure if a
• 58:51
  Speaker 2: lot of conservatives realize that what they considered old faction
• 58:54
  Speaker 2: expectations is a Hollywood a radical departure from what was
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: acted of men and women constructed by Hollywood. The the
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: there was always an expectation that women provide for their families,
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: that women not be just units of consumption, offloading all
• 59:14
  Speaker 2: of their work to automation, right, So that that was
• 59:17
  Speaker 2: that was never a like a traditional role for women.
• 59:22
  Speaker 2: Go look at Proverbs thirty one and ask yourself what
• 59:25
  Speaker 2: kind of woman that describes. And so I would say
• 59:31
  Speaker 2: that a lot of that, as you have said, a
• 59:34
  Speaker 2: lot of what we call conservative now is also entrenched
• 59:38
  Speaker 2: in very modern notions of male and female informed by feminism.
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's feminism still, It's just it's just feminism from
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: like twenty years ago, that's all.
• 59:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And but like again, just just if you want
• 59:54
  Speaker 2: to try, just if you want to see how actually
• 59:58
  Speaker 2: intelligent the foundational beliefs of feminism are. Just ask people
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 2: when they bring this stuff up, just say do you
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: really believe that menipress women? And watch them stutter, because
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 2: it is going to force this nonsense that we've all
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: decided that we believe in conflict with everybody's common sense,
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 2: Like we can avoid it if we don't actually point
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 2: it out right, we can all believe it if we
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 2: don't actually point it out. But the instant you pointed
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 2: out and you say do you actually believe that menipress women?
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: You will get people stuttering. I can even get feminists
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 2: stuttering over that one. I've even gotten it so that
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 2: feminists won't say yes to that because they know it's absurd,
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: and everybody knows it's absurd. The only reason it continues
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: is because nobody says, do you honestly believe that? Do you?
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 2: As you are trying to appeal to the very men
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: who you say hate women absolutely and would never ever
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: ever care and socialize each other to hate women. And
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 2: not just they don't just hate women, they they go
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 2: out of their way to teach it to each other
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 2: you think that that you're going to appeal to people
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 2: like that, and of course they'll use like, oh, black
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 2: people appeal to white No, black people didn't appeal to
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 2: white people. They appealed to a culturally distinct subset of
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 2: white people against a different set of white people. They
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 2: never appealed directly to the people who were enslaving them
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 2: or the ones who wanted to march them back to
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 2: Africa without a boat. They appealed to the northerners with
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 2: a completely different economy and a completely different culture. Right,
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 2: That's how it worked. No one in the history of
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 2: anyone has ever appealed directly to the people oppressing them.
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 2: They've always appealed to a third party that had an
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 2: interest and invested interest in the destruction of the power
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 2: of their oppressors. The way it works. So, where's the
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: third party that women appeal to when they talk about
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 2: men oppressing them? Hm? Hm, where's the third party? The
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 2: answer is men, which means that they don't impress women.
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: Okay, all right, I got another super chow from Gary
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: Thomas who gives us five and says the extra fifty
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: dollars was an accident, but it's fine. I can afford
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: the extra expense this week, also as an Agatha Christie fan,
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: I think the old movie adaptation Alison is speaking of
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: might be evil under the sun.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it might be evil under the sun, but it
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 2: was really And also the reveal of the of the
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 2: female that there was a woman who did the murder
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 2: and her reveal was cool too because she had actually
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 2: pretended to be this meek, mousey woman who was under
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 2: the thumb of the guy, and in order to solve
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 2: the murder, I think it was Poirot, he had to
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 2: figure out that that was a complete fiction and that
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 2: she was actually also sort of a diva, like the
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 2: woman who was originally suspect, actually know, the woman who
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 2: ended up getting killed, who was not a very sympathetic
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 2: murder victim, but nevertheless she was a fascinating character. Okay, yeah, no,
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 2: but it was like what I took my takeaway was
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 2: every single woman had some brought something to the scrain
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 2: in that movie and also in Cat People, every single
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 2: one of them brought something to the scrain. Can you
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 2: say that about women today in film?
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: Mm hmm. I mean I don't think it's I think
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: there's an attempt to do that, but I don't think
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: it was.
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 2: It's always those four, those four characters, and there's nothing
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 2: really unique about any of them.
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: No, they're all formula.
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 2: They're all feminine in relation to feminism. It's the revelation
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 2: to the feminist formula, formula of reality, how women are
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 2: only basically for our four stereotypes and that's it. And
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 2: none of them have their own unique character, there are
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 2: an unique twist, their wit, their secrets, you know, none,
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 2: it's nothing like that. It's all just bland, increasingly bland
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 2: crap yep. And they're trying to make up for it
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 2: for increasing the violence against men, increasing the condemnation of men,
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 2: but they can't because the stories are getting like even
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 2: this article says, the stories are getting monotonous and bland
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 2: because it's all the same. And yeah, that's gonna be
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 2: the future, ladies. I mean, if if there's any women listening,
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 2: that's your future. You get to watch this cinema with
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 2: its four stereotypes about women and men are evil and
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 2: that's it. These black and white feminist chick tracks are
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 2: our few. You get to have your spot in the
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 2: intersectional zigguratte but you are going to be bored to
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 2: tears for the rest of your life.
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, we're gonna get that clockwork orange. Yeah, that's
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: where we're gonna get for our movies. Okay. The number
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: suggests a growing gender divide in political affiliation. Young men
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: have been veering right word, while young women have trended
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 1: even more to the left, creating a stark polarization. As
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: of twenty twenty, fewer than four percent of US marriages,
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: we're between one Republican and one Democrat. Americans are increasingly
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: even choosing romantic partners along political lines. I mean, it's
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: it's your values, though, Like I don't think that. I
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: think that makes sense. And men have only slightly, maybe
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: a little bit, moved to the right. It's actually kind
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: of like part of a pattern of them like slightly
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: moving up left and right a little by little. Women
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: have gone off the rails completely. So it's not like, oh,
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: they split up like this. It's more like men went
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: like this and went like this. So but anyway, this
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: hinted a deeper cultural shift. Many young women identify with
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 1: feminism in social liberalism, whereas a lot of young men,
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 1: feeling attacked or alienated by the rhetoric, are gravitating to
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: more conservative or constrain spaces contrarians, sorry, contrarian spaces. In
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 1: an era when the personal is political, as the saying goes, one,
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: stance on masculinity has practically become a litmus test. Progressives
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: often spot like toxic masculinity as a societal ill, a
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: problem to be addressed through education and corporate initiatives and yes,
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: representation in media. Liberal cultural outlets like The New York
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: Times and The Atlantic have run a slew of pieces
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: on the problem with men in modern dating, education, and work,
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: implying that men need to change or face being left behind.
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: That you know, there was theirs on The Guardian, which
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: is one of my favorite websites. There's literally a column
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: there called the Weak in Patriarchy where every week they
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: put an article out talking about how women are victims
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: of something new or men are doing something bad again,
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: and that it's it's it's a it's a hammer looking
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: for a nail. That's what all of our media is.
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 1: It's a hammer looking for a nail, and it's it
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: always finds one in men as being the problem or
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: part of the problem or whatever. And it's not hard
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: to conflate men with any other group that is the enemy.
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: That's why, you know, it gets swapped to whiteness or
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: heteronormativity or or whatever it is. Doesn't matter, you know,
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: political parties, it doesn't matter. It all comes down to, like,
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: how can we use our hatred of men to attack
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: an idea? And that's what they do. And they always
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: find a way. Every every time they want to write
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 1: something they do so all right, anyway. One viral New
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: York Times essay in twenty twenty five described a noticeable
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: absence of men in public life and asking plaintively, men,
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: where have you gone? Another introduced readers to the term
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: hetero fatalism. Hey, we talked about that one. The bleak
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: notion that straight relationships are doomed by men's inadequacies, as
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 1: single women vent about the dearth of good men willing
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: to commit or even date earnestly. This media drumbeat paints
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 1: a picture of masculinity and crisis, but crucially, it often
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 1: frames it as a crisis men themselves have caused by
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: not adapting to modern norms. In reality, though many men
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: a feeling unfairly.
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 2: What I think that that is adapting? Like the thing
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 2: is that, honestly, this society it des incentivizes men's commitment
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 2: to women and incentivizes men maintaining of distance from women
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 2: in order to protect themselves in their assets, and like
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 2: that is an adaptation to the current situation for men. Now,
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 2: if you do something like and it's not even assets actually, uh,
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 2: I think it was. It was Kentucky that put in
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 2: shared parenting and the rate divorce divorce dropped like a rock.
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 2: So you don't even it don't even necessarily have to
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 2: change how assets are split and divorce. You just have
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 2: to change the presumption of of how the children, like
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 2: the children's time is going to be split. And if
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 2: you change that, divorce disappears, and then men will once
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 2: again have more reason to invest in their families and
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 2: invest in women. But it's like and then also men
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 2: don't want to necessarily invest financially or commit to women
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 2: who don't want to have families, Like that's that this
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 2: isn't an adaptation to what women are doing. What they
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 2: mean is that men haven't changed to tolerate this situation
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 2: and change to become whatever it is women expect from them, Right,
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 2: That's what they That's what they're saying, because I'm pretty
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 2: sure the expectations for women in relationship have only got
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 2: decreased and declined in the last seventy five years, the
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 2: expectations for men have increased or stayed the same. So
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 2: how they can say, well, men haven't adapted to this situation.
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 2: You're right, Well, men haven't adapted to the fact that
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 2: they're getting a worse and worse and worse deal. Well,
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 2: yes they have. They've adapted by walking away from it. Okay,
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 2: I guess it's going to be time for women to
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 2: adapt to the fact that the vast majority of them
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 2: will have to work till they die. Is there not
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 2: even going to be retirement anymore? So you think that
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 2: you're going to be a little old lady being visited
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 2: by your grandchildren, Well, no, grandchildren, No, you are going
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 2: to be working until you die. Ladies, that's going to
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 2: be your life.
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 1: Yep, all right. So, in reality, many men, feeling unfairly
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 1: blamed for crimes they did not commit, have chosen to
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 1: check out of dating in a society they increasingly perceive
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 1: as hostile towards them. On the other side of the aisle,
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 1: conservative politicians and pundits have leaned into defending traditional masculinity
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 1: accusing the left in Hollywood of collectively waging a war
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: on men. Know they're doing it, Like you don't. You
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 1: don't have to make the argument. You can just look
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 1: at it.
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 2: Are making the argument. Like this guy is like, well, look,
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 2: I'm here out on the front lines of the war,
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 2: and I'm watching Hollywood bomb the nation of the Penis people,
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 2: and I can see the craters and the smoke in
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 2: the room and the bodies, and but you know, I
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 2: wouldn't call this a war.
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly.
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 2: You are just you are describing a war like you
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 2: are describing the criminalization, the demonization, the mocking and minimization
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 2: of masculinity right the country. They attempt to push it
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 2: out of society. And then yet the moment of truth,
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 2: You're like, but I wouldn't call it a war. You
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 2: know that's the conservative sir. Don't be observed. This is
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 2: this is where I'm getting from, Like, nobody wants to
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 2: nobody wants to admit the truth, because once they admit
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 2: the truth, then they have to deal with reality. This
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 2: is this is an example of somebody who's like, well,
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 2: I'm observing all of this stuff, but I refuse to
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 2: acknowledge what is actually happening? Why why? Okay?
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 1: Right on the other side of the aisle read that part.
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 1: They see the constant critiques in ads, op eds, oscar
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 1: winning films as an unfair generalization at best, and at worst,
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 1: an attempt to erase what they view as healthy masculine virtues.
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 1: The outrage over the Gillett ad was one flashpoint. Another
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 1: is the popularity of figures like psychologist Jordan Peterson and
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 1: populist senators like Josh Holly, who openly talk about a
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 1: masculinity crisis, albeit their concern is that men are being
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 1: emasculated by a feminist liberal culture.
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 2: What okay? So you you describe all of this and
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 2: then you you describe the other side responding to it.
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 2: Do you consider this to be acceptable? Like that all
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 2: you're doing is saying that this side is saying, well,
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 2: that's not that's not right, you know, like the feminists
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 2: have stabbed masculinity and the other side's like, yeah, that's
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 2: that's not right, and you're like, oh ah, whoa waw
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 2: how dare now?
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, now it's time to fret.
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 2: Now it's time.
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 1: It's not about how we've been demonizing men for so long,
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 1: is that there are people who I don't like that
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 1: are actually noticing and saying something and it's actually having
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 1: an effect.
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So confused because the article is saying, well, it
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 2: looks like masculinity is being stabbed, but Jordan Peterson says,
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 2: masculinity is being stabbed and that's yes, he's observing the
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 2: reality that you're observing, and he's saying it is happening,
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 2: and you are also saying it is happening. What is
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 2: the problem?
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, You're.
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 2: Both on the side of saying that this is happening.
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 1: God damn all right. Gary Thomas gave another five dollars
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 1: super child. Thank you, Gary, and says, while it's true
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 1: in most countries men have stayed where they are while
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 1: women have gone further to the left. The only exception
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 1: in South Korea, where men are actively trending more conservative,
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 1: which I think might have to do with the mandatory
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 1: military service. They go from a mostly male meritocracy atmosphere
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 1: to re entering the wider gynocentric society of South Korea. That. Yeah,
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 1: but also South Korea has got a real serious feminism problem,
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 1: like that, it's bad there. It's like India bad. So yeah,
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 1: so like the India has a very vocal men's rights
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 1: population or you know network there, and South Korea does
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 1: as well. I think it's growing. I don't know if
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 1: they're yeah, because I had a South Korean guy who
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 1: told me, I mean, he's not able to come on
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 1: the show because of the time zones and his work schedule,
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 1: but he has talked about the sort of like you know,
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 1: push I guess for men's issues there, but their their
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 1: issues are slightly different than ours. But yeah, but anyway,
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 1: thank you Gary for that. Okay, let me see where
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 1: was I. Hawlly, for instance, gave a speech in late
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty one argue that America's men are in decline
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 1: because of the lef's attempt to deconstruct males and has
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 1: urged a return to traditional male virtues of strength and providership.
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 1: I watched his speech, and it's that's a little bit
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 1: unfair because he's also talked about the problems that men face,
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 1: so it's not just like a man up speech. I
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 1: remember it because I watched it, and I was actually
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 1: pretty impressed. He was obviously either he sat down with
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 1: or he read the boy Crisis. I think he actually
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 1: brought it up too, which is doctor Warren Ferrell's book
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 1: a lot of like Warren Ferrell originally was marketing this
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 1: to the Dems because he was He's a Democrat whos
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 1: a lifelong Democrat, and they wouldn't they wouldn't listen to him,
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 1: or they would pay him lip service. I remember Andrew
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 1: Yang saying, oh, yeah, we'll look into it, but never
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 1: did so he basically said, well, I gotta we have
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 1: to do something, So he said, I'll find I'll talk
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 1: to Republicans. And I think that he talked with Tucker
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 1: Carlson on Fox News. Does one Tucker still worked there.
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 1: He talked with Larry Elder, and he's talked with a
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 1: couple of other guys as well. So I think that
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 1: Josh Holly either spoke to Warren Ferrell or actually read
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 1: his book, because I remember his speech. He brought up
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 1: a number of things that were in that book, the
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 1: boy crisis, and if you haven't checked that one out,
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 1: you definitely should because it's like I think that, well,
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 1: I've been saying on this channel forever, the fatherlessness is
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 1: like the biggest issue because of what it is producing
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 1: in terms of the boys and girls for that matter.
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 1: When there isn't a father in the home, and I
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 1: think that that's like one of the primary things that
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 1: has to be fixed. Although you know you could what no, no.
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 2: Finish, finish your thoughts. I just want to. I want
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 2: to speak after you're done.
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 1: I was just gonna say, like that, that's what I'm saying,
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 1: but like, in order to do that, we have to
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 1: fix the gap between men and women. So but go ahead.
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 2: Okay, well can I can I throw my own two
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 2: cents in the ring on what's going on? I want
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 2: to I want to return to the boys club and
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 2: masculine values because I want to return to reading female
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 2: authors like this, all right, c J. Cheryl down below,
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 2: down below station, very good book. And what I've noticed
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 2: is that we've gone from authors female authors like this
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 2: to Morning Glory Milking Farm with a female dominance in publishing.
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 2: And I know, I want the return of patriarchy.
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 1: Fantasy.
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 2: No, it's not right fantasy, it's no rape, whatever it is.
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 2: It didn't get that degenerated.
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 1: It's literally literally chattel. Yeah.
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to go back to the excellence I
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 2: saw with women in the past when it was so
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 2: called patriarchy, when we did the toxic masculine thing, because
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 2: what I'm seeing now is incredibly boring, stupid writing from women. Right,
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 2: that's pornographic. It's only merit is pornographic. So no more CJ. Cheryls,
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 2: no more, no more down below station. And she was
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 2: putting in place a lot of the tropes for later
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 2: science fiction. You know, No more Anne McCaffrey, no more,
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 2: Jon Dvenge, no more Ursula Legwin, none of that, None
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 2: of that. No, now we're getting morning goring milking farm.
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 2: I'd like to go back to when toxic masculinity expected
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 2: women to bring their a game, and they did right.
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 2: They did as actresses, as scriptwriters, as directors, as authors,
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 2: as artists. They brought their freaking gay game. I want
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 2: to go back to female excellence as opposed to whatever
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 2: this lukewarm prepuke is, okay, all right.
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 1: Continuing on, right wing media often marks, mocks, or lamb
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 1: bass Hollywood productions that it perceives as a masculating men
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 1: are unduly elevating women at men's expense. The discourse around
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 1: the Barbie Movie on social media was a prime example,
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 1: with some conservative commentators calling it anti man propaganda for
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 1: its satirical jabs at the patriarchy, So now it's satire.
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 1: When you were just saying like you're this guy, got it.
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 1: You got to get your story straight, my friend, because
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 1: either Barbie is satire that's like light and witty and
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 1: it's just taking jabs, or it's seriously anti male, and
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 1: I think it's seriously anti male, and you said it
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 1: was earlier in this article, and now you're backtracking on
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 1: that exact.
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 2: I think this is about taking the energy out of
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 2: the room for this subject more than anything, because they're
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 2: trying to both sides this, except only one side is
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 2: blanket attacking the other. Not even the red Pillars think
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 2: that feminine femininity is a bad thing that should be eradicated.
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 2: I think about that. They don't. They don't think that
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 2: femininity is something that should be removed from society. Maybe
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 2: from certain parts of society where it's become a manifest danger,
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 2: but not entirely. But yet, this whole toxic masculinity narrative
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 2: is essentially let's get rid of society. Let's get rid
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 2: of masculinity from society. Okay, well we've been doing that
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 2: for decades. Now, how's that looking. How's society looking? Huh?
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 2: How's your entertainment looking, how's animation looking? How are books
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 2: and movies looking? How's the economy looking? Had we've declared
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 2: war on masculinity, and before that we embraced this ridiculous
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 2: notion that men oppressed women, which led to the War
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 2: on masculinity, because I mean, if men oppressed women, what
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 2: else do you do but war on them? Right? So,
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 2: how's everything looking now? Guys? How's it going? How are
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 2: we doing? Are are we ever gonna get back to
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 2: Are we gonna end up on it? We're gonna get
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 2: to Mars? Are we Are we ever going to get
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 2: back to the moon? Not looking like we are? Looks
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 2: like we peaked in the sixties and now we're going backwards.
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 1: Okay, let's say, all right, tug of war rhetoric filters
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 1: into the entertainment itself. It's not a coincidence that Barbie
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 1: included cheeky nods to real world gender battles. The film
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 1: knew it would be divisive and leaned into it humorously. Example,
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 1: having Can literally discovered patriarchy by name, likewise promising young
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 1: women promoted heated debates between those who saw it as
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 1: an empowering feminist fantasia and those some male, some female
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 1: who failed to portray all men as monsters. Well, okay,
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 1: so then if you're if you're saying that we're not
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 1: supposed to care that much, then why do you write
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 1: this extremely long article Like it's almost like you don't
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 1: really want to actually talk about whether or not this
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 1: is a problem. What's the point of it? Like somebody
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 1: in the Special chats being special so it is working,
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 1: and they're they're like someone in there name not your friend,
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 1: said Barbie is a girly toy, relaxed, Let them have
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 1: their thing. You don't got a law like feminism, by
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 1: the way, So like yeah, but he corrected himself later
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 1: after that.
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 1: So the thing is is that the film and you
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 1: there are interviews with the director and the writer and
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 1: Margot Robbie about what they were intending to do. It
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 1: is not a movie about a toy. The toy thing
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 1: is pretense for the thing they actually wanted to say.
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 1: And if you have any kind of media literacy and
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 1: you watched it, then you would know that it's not
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 1: a movie about a toy. It's just not. It's about
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 1: patriotch it's about toxic masculinity. It's about feminism, that's what
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 1: it's about. And the fact that it was an incredibly
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 1: anti male film that made over a billion dollars that
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 1: was watched mostly by women, and all of them went
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 1: away saying this speaks to me on a level that
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 1: nothing ever has because of that one rant in the
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 1: movie that is basically like a woman whining about like
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 1: life being what it is, Well, it's it's just like
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 1: what life is like that like, it's full of struggles
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 1: and contradictions. That's not unique to women. That's everybody's experience.
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 1: Suck it up, buttercup. But women thought that it was
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 1: very important and they were like they were. They were
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 1: breaking up with their boyfriends over it, they were initiating
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 1: divorces over it, they were calling their relationship with men
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 1: in a question over it. These things don't occur in
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 1: a vacuum. That's all I'm saying. Like you can, you
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 1: can like it or not like it. You can convince
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 1: me that it wasn't it isn't what it tried to be.
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 1: But all I'm looking at is the outcomes of it. So, yeah,
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 1: that's what happened.
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 2: I don't think you're going to get anywhere with this
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 2: individual because I think they're a bit dis.
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 1: I'm saying that. I'm not saying for that person. I'm
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 1: saying for everybody that's watching.
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 2: I'm saying that your friend says war on masculinity. Lowell,
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 2: What because women don't want to marry you or have
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 2: kids when they're twenty?
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 1: Uh?
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 2: Never once did we mention any of those things.
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you're you're putting words in our mouth for no reason.
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 1: I get it, though. I mean I could sit here
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 1: and tell you that I'm married, but it wouldn't make
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 1: a difference. Right, You don't really care, pot So go ahead,
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 1: continue waste your time and flail in the chat. When
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 1: you when you're ready to actually think about these issues seriously,
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 1: come back. But for now you can just chill there
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 1: and you know, do whatever.
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 2: So okay, but here, here, here we go. Not your friend,
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 2: do you honestly do you honestly think that men oppress women?
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 2: Let's see what he has to say or she Okay,
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 2: let's let's move on to the article. How much more
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 2: of this damn article? Because this is the article that
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 2: never ends? Or macause?
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but also, we shouldn't be taking this too seriously.
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 1: Even though this guy wrote like a fucking essay like
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 1: a novella. But anyway, so yeah, and then you're promising
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 1: young women again where they're saying you prompted debates. No,
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 1: they literally in the movie they present every man as
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 1: a predator and the woman gets revenge on them. That
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 1: that you can't say that. That movie just exists and
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 1: you're not supposed to take anything away from it. Every
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 1: story communicates something. Every story, if it's worth anything, it's
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 1: you're gonna walk away thinking about some kind of idea
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 1: or concept. You know, it could be abstract, it could
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 1: be specific, but nothing doesn't say anything. So promising young woman.
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 1: I never saw it, but it it is an of
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 1: a feminist revenge fantasy. So why does it exist? Right?
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 1: That's that's that's the question. But anyway, the cultural backlash
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 1: against masculinity that our film title references is very much
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 1: part of a broader culture war, one in which the
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 1: Democratic leaning camp tends to view the elevation of women
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 1: and critique of men as progress, and the Republican leaning
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 1: camp sees it as demonization and folly. Af their hashtag
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 1: me too. Many Democratic politicians probably align themselves with the
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 1: Believe Women mantra and put forward policies to combat toxic
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 1: masculinity in context like campus sexual assault and military training. Republicans,
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 1: in turn, often scoff at the term toxic masculinity. Some
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 1: have even introduced resolutions to celebrate National Masculinity Day to
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 1: honor positive male role models, implicitly pushing back on the
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 1: notion that masculinity is inherently problematic. Really a National Masculinity Day.
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know if I'm for these kinds
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 1: of days, but I'm curious about it. No. Nineteenth, the next.
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 2: Paragraph is astounding.
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 1: All right, all right, let's look at the next paragraph.
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 1: The result of this political and cultural climate is that
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 1: young men today received mixed messages at best.
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 2: Okay, so the mixed message, well, the result the apparently,
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 2: the takeaway of this is that men are receiving a
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 2: mixed message. They are receiving men are bad, masculinity is toxic.
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 2: And then there is also this other camp that says, no,
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 2: that is wrong. Okay, Okay, let's get into the conclusion
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 2: of this mixed message that men are receiving.
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 1: Okay, you want to keep going. Popular culture movies, shows, ads,
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 1: et cetera. May tell them that they're gender is suspect,
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 1: and they need to reform, be more sensitive, less aggressive.
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 1: Relinquished power. Now, actually the third one is the most
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 1: important thing. I think. Relinquished power. That's what this comes
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 1: down to. Give me your money. Yeah. At the same time,
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 1: countervailing voices tell them they are victims of a feminist
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 1: agenda and that they should hold fast to traditional manhood
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 1: or risk losing themselves. It's no wonder that many men
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 1: feel bewildered or embattled. They're hearing both step aside, you've
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 1: had your turn, and stand up. Don't let them beat
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 1: you down. And nowhere is this schizophrenic messaging more evident
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 1: than in the realm of entertainment and media.
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 2: No wait, wait, wait what what so you are? This
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 2: individual is now inquating feminists, stabbing masculinity with other people
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 2: saying hey, no, that's don't do that. So is this
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 2: sort of like in the vein of if a kid
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 2: is bullied in school, that's okay, but if he stands
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 2: up to his bully, that is that's that's sabannon Like
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 2: what the These are not equivalent statements. Manhood is bad? No, no,
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 2: manhood actually has good things. These are not equivalent statements
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 2: and recognizing you just said, you just detailed how men
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 2: are being marginalized in media. They're being treated with contempt,
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 2: they're being demonized, they're being criminalized. Criminalized is an essential
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 2: component of propaganda that that frames people in such a
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 2: way that you can subject them to harm. So it
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 2: is wartime criminalization is basically wartime propaganda. Right, we are
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 2: subjecting men to this, and you have detailed that. And
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 2: then you are saying, but let's not call it a war,
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 2: or let it's not call it an attack on men,
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 2: and you're you're basically saying that the other side recognizing
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 2: that this is attacked is equivalent to the side doing
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 2: the attack.
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 2: That is insanity, all right, that is freaking and sand
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 2: And also it's not conservatives on the whole. It is
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 2: just people who have been ostracized by the left for
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 2: this very behavior of of targeting men. So everybody is
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 2: who like, you know, I don't think we should shoe
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 2: on head is now on the right because she just
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 2: calls this stuff out, right, she is an alt right
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 2: personality now because she simply calls this stuff out. She
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 2: calls out this behavior towards men. So everybody who is
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 2: not left like you if you call out, if you
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 2: notice this, you are now on the right. So article
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 2: you may be trying to keep yourself on the left,
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 2: you are now on the right or in the center. Nope,
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 2: you are now on the right because center, you're right.
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 2: That's the funny thing about the gut. People are like,
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 2: I'm the enlightened centrist. There is no center at this point.
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 2: And it's not because we're saying there is no center.
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 1: We are not because you're on the center.
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 2: Because you are either on the left. You are either
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 2: part of their intersectional cigarat and you know your place
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 2: within it, or you are far right, and even if
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 2: you run a foul of their many arcane rituals related
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 2: to the intersectional zigguratte and worshiping victimhood, you are on
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 2: the right. That's that's just the way it works. You're
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 2: either in the cigaratte or you're an enemy of the state.
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 2: There is no center. There might be a center once
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 2: you get past the chasm, you know, with us, like
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 2: there might be a center position somewhere on the other
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 2: side of the chasm, away from the intersectional zigaratte, But
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 2: there ain't no center with them, and that this isn't
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 2: us saying it. This is us telling you they're saying it,
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 2: Which is you seem to have a problem with it,
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 2: writer of this article. You seem to have a problem
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 2: with the idea that there isn't an equivalence here. We
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 2: aren't the extremist for pointing out that there is no
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 2: center anymore, at least with the Ziggarot, with the people
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 2: of the Zigarot. And you are seem to think that
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 2: you occupy a center between. This is what's funny about
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 2: this article. They seem to think that they occupy a
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 2: center between constructing or stabbing masculinity. There's a center between
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 2: stabbing masculinity to death and saying, hey, you're stabbing masculinity
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 2: to death, that there's some kind of center between those
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 2: two propositions. Sir, you may get out your electron microscope,
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 2: but you will never find a center between those two positions.
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Sorry, but binary.
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 2: Three stabs are okay, but the fourth one is just
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 2: one step too far.
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 1: There's so there's like a lot more to this, and
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 1: we have about less than a half an hour. Do
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 1: you want to do well?
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 2: I guess we'll go back to I mean, that's pretty
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 2: much money shot. Or we could go to the final paragraphs.
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 1: Look at this a plea for balance.
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 2: Their house. Guys, I know that person, I know, I know,
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 2: femoi fembot is stabbing man bought to death. Surely there
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 2: is a position, a centrist position between stabbing someone to
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 2: death and recognizing that they're being stabbed to death. Surely
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 2: they're centrism. I can find it somewhere in there. So
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 2: we're not going so far as to recognizing that the
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 2: stabbing to death is happening, but we're not stabbing them
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 2: to death.
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 1: This is where they lose me for balance with sanity? Yeah,
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 1: I mean this again. I knew this was going to
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 1: go here, just based on the way the person who
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 1: wrote this article framed it from the beginning, which I
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 1: assume is how they see it as well, which is
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 1: to say, well, we used to be, you know, like
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 1: we used to be really bad to women, We used
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 1: to be really sexist, men used to be really you know,
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 1: cads on film, and now we've overcorrected. We got to
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 1: get back to balance. But your assumptions, your press suppositions
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 1: before you even started writing, were wrong. So you're you're
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 1: going back to something that doesn't exist, and you're taking
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 1: a lot of assumptions with you. So do you want
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 1: to do bryer Andy.
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 2: Or well, let's do the fat last plea for balance.
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 2: Let's let's do it.
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 1: Let's just all right, right, we'll do this. Do this.
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 2: Do you have to go?
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 1: Right? I just kind of skinned it and I'm like, well,
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 1: I have I have Brianny, but I don't know. I mean,
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 1: we could do that another day.
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 2: Do you have to go?
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 1: What do you have to go?
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 4: Right?
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 2: At the hour?
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah? I should because I got to pick Lindsay up.
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 1: It's gonna take me like a little bit. The thing is,
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 1: when I go pick her up, the high school on
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 1: my path is letting out, So it's insanity when I'm
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 1: driving there because there's all these school buses and whatnot.
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 1: So that's why if I go closer to huh.
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 2: I just feel like the mother load of insanity is
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 2: in underneath. A plea for balance. If necessary, we can
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 2: finish Byroanny another day.
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so a plea for balance. The current narrative,
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 1: where in masculinity is so often equated with toxicity or inadequacy,
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 1: both poses the question what vision of masculinity are we
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 1: offering for the future?
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 2: Go away, leave society die.
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, let like I think I think that we let
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 1: men and boys figure that out for themselves. How about that?
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, how about that?
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 1: No, well you don't just be like, you know, we
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 1: we do need to engineer a kind of masculinity. We
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 1: need to engineer. No, you don't, Actually you don't. We
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 1: already have it. We've it's called evolution. You guys believe
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 1: in evolution, right, It's called evolution. We've had it for
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 1: you know, since we fell out of the fucking crawled
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 1: out of the muck basically, you know, since the fish
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 1: grew legs or whatever. We've always had it. Like, there
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 1: is something masculinity. It exists in animals too, you know, Well.
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 2: There's male behaviors, like patent, there is male behaviors and
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 2: animals and female behaviors. And while human beings have it's
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 2: basically founded on some of the broad strokes. We do
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 2: have uniquely different male and fem masculine and feminine behavior
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 2: as human beings. But they're still there, there's still a
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 2: part of everything. We evolved two different types of psychology
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 2: for a reason, and I don't know, maybe the gender fluid. Also,
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 2: if you could consider like shamanism as sort of like
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 2: the prehistoric, like the previous version of being gender fluid,
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 2: like the witch doctors and the Shamans, tended to be
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 2: a little weird, and maybe there's a there's there's something
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 2: valid to that, you know, but whatever, we for the
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 2: most part, male and female, two different psychologies, evolved for
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 2: a reason. Our society has decided that the evolutionary reason
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 2: for the evolution of male psychology well, obviously mother Nature
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 2: made a huge mistake and we should get rid of it. Well,
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 2: let's see how that plays out. Well, we don't even
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 2: have to see anymore. We are watching how that plays
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 2: out for us. Yeah, okay, So.
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 1: Before I go on, I'm just gonna say that this
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 1: statement here, what vision of masculineery we're offering for the future.
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 1: It presumes that he's basically telling us that it is
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 1: the job of our cultural institutions to essentially construct our reality.
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 1: And they're just like, well, we need to construct something
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 1: different because what we've constructed is bad. But they still
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 1: are under this really false assumption that it's their job
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 1: to do this. So anyway, if boys and young men
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 1: are told everything associated with traditional manhood is bad, do
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 1: we risk creating a self fulfilling prophecy of disengagement and resentment. Conversely,
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 1: if we ignore the very real issues of sexism and
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 1: abuse that hashtag need to has highlighted, we risk sliding
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 1: backwards into silence and complicity. There it is, there, it is.
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 1: Can we have some of the feminism? Can we just
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 1: stab you halfway but not fully? Can we use paper
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 1: cuts instead of knives? No?
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 2: No, no, no, Brian, they get six stabs, yeah, and then
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 2: everything after that is too much unless, unless, you know,
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 2: unless they can justify that actually men stabbed women seven
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 2: times in the past, which they'll be able to do
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 2: because we don't. We can't argue, like if feminists say, no,
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 2: but men stab women seven times in the past, we
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 2: have to be like, oh, you're right, because otherwise we're misogynists.
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 2: So no, it's gonna be seven times. And and feminists
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 2: will say, but men stabbed women eight times in the past,
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 2: so it will be eight times, you know. And then
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 2: and then they'll say, well, you can't restrict us to
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 2: eight times because men stabbed women nine times in the past,
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 2: and then we'll have to stab men tine times. And
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 2: then feminists will say, but no, that's restrictive. That's too restrictive,
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 2: that's patriarchal bargaining. Women's got stabbed ten times in the past.
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 2: And then on and on and on it goes because
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 2: nobody can question where feminism is getting their bullshit from,
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 2: because feminism has to be correct, right, we can't question that,
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 2: or we're misogynists. We're the dreadest of dread criminals. Where
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 2: the pirate the dread pirate misogyny like.
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 1: All right, all right.
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 2: Conversely, if we grow we ignore the very real issues
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 2: of sexism abuse that me Me Too has highlighted, we
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 2: risk stabbing backwards into science that is feminism saying, but no,
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 2: women have been stabbed ten times in the past, and
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 2: there will be a new me too, me the me
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 2: three movement right also me also Me Forever movement, and
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 2: then we will have to stab men eleventh time because
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 2: feminists will have said, no, women were stabbed eleven times
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 2: in the past, didn't you know? And it just keeps
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 2: going and going and going. This article All it does
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 2: is tell people to ignore this issue.
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it acknowledges everything, and then try to convince you
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 1: that it's not happening.
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not, it's but we can't care about it
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 2: because that, yeah, because women got stabbed twelve times in
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 2: the past, don't you know, so it's only fair that
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 2: men get stabbed twelve times? And then you know what,
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 2: when we get to the thirteenth time, there will be
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 2: an article like this that'll say, but women were stabbed
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 2: thirteen times in the past, don't you know, so it's
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 2: only fair that get men get stabbed a thirteenth time.
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 2: And it just on and on and on and on
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 2: it goes, because yes, this article has acknowledged all of
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 2: our positions, has observed everything that we talk about. And
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 2: we aren't on we aren't on necessarily the right. No,
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 2: there aren't more conservative members. We're just on the position
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 2: of recognizing that men are being stabbed. But and this
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 2: article is acknowledged all of that, and now it's telling
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 2: us all why it doesn't matter, why we need to
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 2: continue to agree with feminists with whatever they assert, however
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 2: many times women have been stabbed in the past, Because
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 2: women have been stabbed thirteen times in the past, don't
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 2: you know that means we should stab women thirteen times
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 2: just to be fair? And what are you talking about
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 2: restricting men to being stabbed thirteen times? Women have been
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 2: stabbed fourteen times in the past. Don't you know that
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 2: means we need to stab men fourteen times just to
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 2: be fair? What do you mean you're restricting us to
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 2: only stabbing men fourteen times? Women have been stabbed fifteen
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 2: times in the past, don't you know? On and on
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 2: and on and on it goes. And that's why I
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 2: say everywhere else is the insane asylum. Mm hmm okay, Okay,
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 2: the challenge the insanity would be here.
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 1: The challenge for filmmakers, for society is to find a
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 1: balance to continue calling out and rejecting the genuinely toxic
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 1: behaviors of a very small minority of men without tipping
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 1: into a blanket vilification as men of men as a class. Okay, okay, Wait,
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 1: so you just went through and told us all the
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 1: different ways that the Republicans or the right or the
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 1: Conservatives are basically the non left who have been saying
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 1: this is a problem. Have they at any point said
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 1: what we're gonna do now is be very like hostile
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 1: and sexist to women, and we're going to ignore bad
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 1: behavior in men, and we're going to vilify all women.
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 1: Have they ever said any of that? And I don't
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 1: think it has. Why, So you're basically trying to balance
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 1: between two things where only one of these things exists
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 1: and the other one is something you made up in
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 1: your head. So I detect backlash a phobia. That's what
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 1: I'm getting from this, Yeah, backlash of phobia. I fear
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 1: the right wing backlash. This is like a thing that
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 1: I've been a phenomenon that I've seen for years now,
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 1: and it's it comes in the form of mar wing
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 1: backlash or the male backlash. The male backlash is already happening.
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 1: It's just men saying you're not worth my time. It's
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 1: not men like rounding up the women and throwing them
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 1: in fucking camps. It's not gassing them up in the chambers.
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 1: It's not put well gas gassing, putting them in the
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 1: gas chambers. They're not gonna take them on a train.
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 1: They're not going to the death camps there. I know,
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 1: no mra fucking you know, death squads coming for the women.
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 1: It's literally just men saying I'm not doing this anymore,
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 1: and they're just leaving. And that's all they have to do.
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 1: Mind you, it's literally the easiest thing. It's just like
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 1: it's what Gamergate two is, it's men saying or it's
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 1: gamer saying, I'm not buying that product, and that's it.
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 1: They're not trying to they're not going to bomb the
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 1: Ubisoft studios that is not giving them any more money.
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 1: And that's all they have to do. And so that
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 1: you are worried about something that's not going to happen,
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 1: because the consequences are already here. It's men not dating women.
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 1: That's it. That's it.
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 4: So all you gotta do is stop stabbing them, stop
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 4: shitting on them, and maybe like celebrate or a good
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 4: example of masculinity every so often, because that's what men
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 4: want to see, and then you'll have them back.
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 2: You know what, I just realized something. This is hilarious. Basically,
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 2: what they're saying is if we stop stabbing men, men
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 2: might stab us. Essentially, that's the justification, right, if we'd
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 2: stop stabbing men in the backlash, men will start stabbing
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 2: us because they're so bad. Yeah, how about we just
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 2: stop stabbing men because it's not a nice thing to do.
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 1: It's wrong, it's wrong.
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 2: And again, like this, the logic of this person is
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 2: when feminists say what men stab women? Thirteen times in
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 2: the past. The logic of this person will be, yes,
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 2: they did, so it's only fair that men get stabbed
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 2: thirteen times, but don't you know, like maybe not a
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 2: seventeen times. But then feminists will say, but that is
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 2: patriarchal bar and boys will be boys. Men stabed women
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 2: seventeen times. And it's like this just this never ending ratchet,
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 2: never ending ratchet effect. And this isn't centrism, this is concession.
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 2: And like there is no alt right, there's only the
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 2: stop Stabbing Men coalition, which isn't even consistently on the
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 2: right because you know, sometimes people on the conservatives seem
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 2: to want to get a few stabs in themselves. So
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 2: it's just has a lot of conservatives in it because
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 2: conservatives seem to be the only ones willing to listen.
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 2: But there are still conservatives that still want to get
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 2: a few stabs into Let's be fair, let's be honest,
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 2: all right, And so this is just the demarcation we
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 2: have the don't stab men right, and that doesn't include
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 2: the people that are like, well, maybe eighteen stabbing men
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 2: eighteen times is bad, but stabbing men seventeen times, no,
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 2: you are definitely not in the don't stab men camp
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 2: I am in the If you're gonna stab men, maybe
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 2: you should uh have more than bullshit to justify it.
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 2: In fact, we should really, really, really really have a
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 2: lot of expectations of evidence before we get to embrace
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 2: harmful behaviors like condemning men, treating them with contempt, ostracizing
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 2: them if they want to express masculinity, treating them like
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 2: demonizing them, criminalizing them, doing all kinds of the behaviors
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 2: that we do before we target a group for extermination.
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 2: Two men. I think we should We should really sit
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 2: down for a long time and really think about whether
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 2: or not we want to do this. Maybe we should
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 2: have a trial. Men never got the never got out
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 2: the option of having a try before they were accused
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 2: of felony misogyny by feminists, and the stabbing began like
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 2: they never even got a trial. Women, we uhould have
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 2: started with a trial and had a burden of proof
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 2: put on feminists to prove things like men oppress women,
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 2: that men in authority equals women oppressed, which is not
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 2: the case it does. These two things do not follow.
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 2: You actually have to prove that the situation for women
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 2: is worse than the situation for men when men are
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 2: in charge, and that you cannot prove because it's not okay,
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 2: let's keep.
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 1: Going, all right for now. The films on our screens
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 1: act less like a mirror than a hammer, that striking
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 1: at masculinity as though it were the root of society's problems.
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 1: They portray men primarily.
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 2: Yes, sorry, Brian, we have to go here, striking at
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 2: masculinity as though it were the root of society's problems. Yes,
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 2: that is the point of feminist conjecture. Like, it's even
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 2: worse than that. Like literally, they say that men oppress women, right,
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 2: masculinity oppresses femininity. Men use rape and beatings to uphold patriarchy.
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 2: That is saying that men are the root of society's problems. Right, Okay, insanity,
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 2: This is insanity. Don't stab men nineteen times. That's not justified.
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 2: But women were stabbed nineteen times in the past, don't
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 2: you know, so it's perfectly fair for us to stab
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 2: men nineteen times. This is a quizling, Okay, all right.
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 1: Back to this, uh, all right. They portray men primarily
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 1: as aggressors and women as survivors, rarely pausing to acknowledge
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 1: that men themselves are also hurting. The real world data
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 1: is stark. Men make up the majority of the homeless,
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 1: the majority of suicides, and the nearly ninety percent of
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 1: murder victims. Yet in culture and media, these realities are muted,
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 1: while the narrative of male guilt is amplified.
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 2: Well, not just what male criminals are overwhelmingly been subject
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 2: to multiple forms of abuse, plus have genetic factors that
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 2: lead to low impulse control. That's where they come from.
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 2: That's where male bad behavior comes from. It doesn't come
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 2: from masculinity. It comes from experiencing abuse and having a
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 2: like a delay or a permanent delay in your development
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 2: of adult impulse control. That's it. Men don't have guilt
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 2: for that. Like the average man has nothing to do
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 2: with a criminal man. A criminal man has very little
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 2: to do with a criminal man because he is actually
• 1:52:11
  Speaker 2: a subject of forces that's sort of outside of his control.
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 2: That's why he's criminal. Right, He's been abused, he has
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 2: developmental delays, permanent developmental delays. That means he's never attained
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 2: an adult male level of impulse control. Adult men have
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 2: really high levels of impulse control. I don't know if
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 2: you notice that really high A criminal man lacks that.
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 1: Okay, yep, okay, Yet in culture and media, these realities
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 1: are muted while the narrative of male guilt is amplified.
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 1: A healthier cultural, healthier cultural conversation would separate bad behavior
• 1:52:55
  Speaker 1: from manhood itself. It would recognize that condemning violence or
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 1: abuse is necessary, but that vilifying masculinity as a whole
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 1: is destructive and misleading. The current zeitgeis lean too heavily
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 1: on accusation and too little on compassion. So yes, separating
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 1: bad behavior from manhood itself. So what you're saying is
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 1: women can also do bad things, and men can also
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 1: do good things, and we can represent those things culturally.
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 1: That's a wild concept.
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 2: But Brian women were stabbed twenty times in the past,
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 2: which means it's only fair to stab men twenty times.
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 2: So we're gonna do that now. Like, the thing is
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 2: that once you justify this, it never ends because you
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 2: have no means to stop it. What this article justified
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 2: the excesses of me too. Once you justify it, you're
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 2: justifying every excess. Like I said, this is just ratchet mentality.
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 2: The new me too will justify the next wave of stabbings.
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 2: The me too after that will justify those ways. It'll
• 1:54:08
  Speaker 2: just keep going and going and going, because this individual
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 2: does not have the chops to question the premise, right,
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 2: and the premise is that men are responsible for the
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 2: bad behavior at all, period, that they should be associated
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 2: with it at all. That me too associating this bad
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 2: behavior with men was legitimate at all. It wasn't okay.
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 2: Men never stabbed women once, much less twenty times. And
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 2: as long as you accept the narrative every single time
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 2: that feminists say, but men stab women twenty times and
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 2: you just accept it, all you're doing is enabling it. Right,
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 2: me too was illegitimate. There's no reason to remove due
• 1:54:54
  Speaker 2: process when it comes to alleged sexual crimes. Right, There's
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 2: no reason to cont public lynch mobs when it comes
• 1:55:03
  Speaker 2: to sexual crimes. Go take it to the police the end.
• 1:55:10
  Speaker 2: Go take it to a place that is ruled with
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 2: due process. Because essentially, all this was was the creation
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 2: of social media lynch mobs, and that is no more
• 1:55:23
  Speaker 2: justified than the lynch mobs of the past. Perhaps it
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 2: was less violent, it ended in less stabbings and hangings,
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 2: but it's no more justified. Sexual crimes deserve due process.
• 1:55:38
  Speaker 2: The end, me too is wrong from its inception that
• 1:55:42
  Speaker 2: justification for stabbing men was wrong. This wan or this
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 2: individual who read this is just excused. He is just
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 2: excusing everything while trying to pretend he can find a
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 2: position between queen stabbing men and not stabbing men. Right,
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 2: he can find that position, he can find he can say,
• 1:56:09
  Speaker 2: well what feminists can just like where it's justified by feminism,
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  Speaker 2: stabbing men is okay? Well, when do you ever question
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  Speaker 2: the justifications feminism give for stabbing men? Well, we can't
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  Speaker 2: do that, that would be misogyny. Well, then you're just
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  Speaker 2: going to agree with the next time that feminism says
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  Speaker 2: men stabbed women twenty one times in the past. Therefore
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  Speaker 2: you get what I'm saying. Yeah, okay, good good, I've
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  Speaker 2: conveyed information. I'm gonna go run around the room.
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  Speaker 1: Now I got one more paragraph, and I think that
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  Speaker 1: we will be the end of the article. In the meantime,
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  Speaker 1: the warn men in cinema reflects a broader hostility in society,
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  Speaker 1: a warning that traditional manhood is no longer celebrated but caricatured.
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  Speaker 1: The challenge ahead is not to poll oar further by
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  Speaker 1: painting one gender as a presser and the other as victim.
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  Speaker 1: But to redefine relationships between other the genders in a
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  Speaker 1: way that values both men and women. Well, we already
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  Speaker 1: value women. That's not even an issue.
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  Speaker 2: All right, what the hell is that we already value? Like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: men are being stabbed? Well, we got to think about
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  Speaker 2: making sure we don't live in a world where women
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  Speaker 2: are stabbed. Mm hmmm, it's men being stabbed right now.
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  Speaker 2: You know why that is why he mentions that, because
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  Speaker 2: he is once again going to concede to the feminist
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  Speaker 2: argument that women have been stabbed. Now he's gonna find
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  Speaker 2: he's going to try to find the centrist position between
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  Speaker 2: stab men and don't stab men, and that centrist position
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  Speaker 2: is only stab men when feminists justify it. Well, can
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  Speaker 2: you question when feminists justify it? No, that would be misogyny,
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  Speaker 2: and you know it would you know, if we question
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  Speaker 2: when feminists justify it, that might mean you will end
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  Speaker 2: up justifying stabbing women. So let's just stab men again.
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  Speaker 3: It's only giving.
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  Speaker 2: Twenty two times, it's what's one more stab oh twenty
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  Speaker 2: three times? Oh shit, men are a greasy smear that
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  Speaker 2: can't continue to manufacture the things we need to run society.
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  Speaker 2: Who knew who could have guessed that this ratchet would
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  Speaker 2: end result? The end result of this ratchet would be
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  Speaker 2: the complete destruction of men that we can't question at
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  Speaker 2: any time, because again he's trying to make he's trying
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  Speaker 2: to find that center position between stabbing men and not
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  Speaker 2: stabbing men. And of course the center position is that
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  Speaker 2: we just stab men when it's when feminists justify it.
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  Speaker 2: But we can never actually question when Jen and feminists
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  Speaker 2: justify it. So basically we just stab men till the
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  Speaker 2: end of time. Like I said, guys, this is the
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  Speaker 2: only place that's same. Everywhere else is the same asylum.
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  Speaker 2: I should just make like a padded on the outside
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  Speaker 2: of the Badger Cave and just put a sign a
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  Speaker 2: sayan asylum, because everywhere else, I mean aside from where
• 1:59:08
  Speaker 2: you live, Brian, your your apartment, in Hannah's apartment, and
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  Speaker 2: Karen's you know, I'm in this like you know, like
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  Speaker 2: symbolically everywhere else is a freaking insane asylum where they're
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  Speaker 2: trying to find this center position of well, feminists are
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  Speaker 2: justified but in stabbing men. But that so we can
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  Speaker 2: stab men. That that's the center position. Yeah, and this
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  Speaker 2: is what it means when a group of people has
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  Speaker 2: claimed the center of the chessboard, the identity between men
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  Speaker 2: and women. We have to exist within their insanity. We
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  Speaker 2: have to. We cannot escape it because we always have
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  Speaker 2: to bargain with it, like this person is now. But
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  Speaker 2: feminism says that women were stabbed twenty two times in
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  Speaker 2: the past, That means that, you know, to be fair,
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  Speaker 2: men should be stabbed twenty two times, right, but no more.
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  Speaker 2: But feminism says that men were stabbed twenty three times. Well,
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  Speaker 2: I can't question feminism because my center position between stabbing
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  Speaker 2: men and don't stabbing men is that men can be
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  Speaker 2: stabbed whenever feminists justify it. So I guess we got
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  Speaker 2: to stab them twenty three times, but no more. Jesus Christ,
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  Speaker 2: fucking sorry, I took the Lord's name in vain insanity.
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  Speaker 2: I appeal to you. I appeal to a point of
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  Speaker 2: sanity in an insane world. All right, murder of crows.
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  Speaker 2: At this point, I'd like to know what isn't misogyny. Well,
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  Speaker 2: obviously it would be misogyny to question feminists as they
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  Speaker 2: stab men twenty four times.
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  Speaker 1: Right, yep, but no more?
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  Speaker 2: Twenty five times? Is right? Out, but women were stabbed
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  Speaker 2: twenty five times in the past by men, and you
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  Speaker 2: can't question that because that would be questioning feminism. That
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  Speaker 2: would be seating the center ground, which is feminism justifies
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  Speaker 2: when men should be stabbed. I hope you guys see
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  Speaker 2: this fucking nonsense, right yeah, okay.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I know YouTube, Brian, but right, well, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Because you understand me sort of sort of, sir, I
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  Speaker 2: worry about everybody else. They're like, what the fuck are
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  Speaker 2: you talking about? I'm talking about stabbing men twenty five times?
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  Speaker 2: No YouTube, that's that's rhetorical and sarcastic. I don't think
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  Speaker 2: we should stab men at all, which is why I
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  Speaker 2: questioned the very first time feminist stab men by asserting
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  Speaker 2: that men oppressed women. I think that is wrong because
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  Speaker 2: I don't think the center position between stabbing men and
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  Speaker 2: not stabbing men is saying that we stab men whenever
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  Speaker 2: feminists justify stabbing men. And I noticed that we can't
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  Speaker 2: question when feminists justify stabbing men because that's misogyny. So
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  Speaker 2: that's there's no center position. There's only stabbing men. Okay, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I think.
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  Speaker 1: I've got Yeah, we should.
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  Speaker 2: Strike for that. For all the talk of stabbing. Yeah, okay, okay,
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  Speaker 1: Is that what I don't Yeah, I don't know. I
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, it's something I sang a couple episodes ago.
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