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The Room with Barbara Gray · The Bechdel Cast

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  Speaker 1: On the beck Dog Cast, the questions asked if movies
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  Speaker 1: have women in them? Are all their discussions just boyfriends
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  Speaker 1: and husbands? Do they have individualism? The patriarchy? Zef invest
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  Speaker 1: start changing it with the beck Del Cast. Oh, welcome
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  Speaker 1: to the beck Dodcast. I just did a can open
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  Speaker 1: of Mike's heart that was almost as long as the
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  Speaker 1: Tommy Wis sex scene. This is the Beckdel Cast. My
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  Speaker 1: name is Jamie, my name is Caitlin. This is our
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  Speaker 1: podcast that we have and we released on a weekly basis.
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  Speaker 1: And we talked about the bridge rail of women in
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  Speaker 1: movies and maybe you've seen them, maybe you haven't seen them.
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  Speaker 1: As up to you which ones you listen to? We
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  Speaker 1: don't know. We're not the police. I think you should
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  Speaker 1: watch every movie we talk about. We are now your
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  Speaker 1: new religion. You have to follow us. You have to
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  Speaker 1: believe everything we say. And that is the Bechtel Cast.
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  Speaker 1: My therapist is calling right now. Do you need to
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  Speaker 1: answer the phone. Do I have to tell okay, beer,
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  Speaker 1: let's pause. No, let's not. Pock let's not I'll be back, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: I'll I'll just chat for a moment. We have a pocas.
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  Speaker 1: It's inspired by the Bechtel Test, which is a test
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  Speaker 1: that requires that movies have at least one scene where
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  Speaker 1: there are two female characters. They have to talk to
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  Speaker 1: each other. Those characters have to have names, and their
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  Speaker 1: conversation has to be about something other than a man. Hey,
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  Speaker 1: guess what, No movies pass. Not a single one has
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  Speaker 1: ever passed the Bechtel test. Just kidding, but rarely they do. Anyway, Um,
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  Speaker 1: Jamie is off talking to her therapist, which means there's
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  Speaker 1: not much left to do except for me to introduce
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  Speaker 1: our guest. She's one of the co hosts of the
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  Speaker 1: Super Great Lady to Lady podcast, Barbara Gray. Hello, Hi Barbara,
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  Speaker 1: Thank you for so much drama so far, the start
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  Speaker 1: lemonade opening the therapy for own call. I feel like
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  Speaker 1: Wizo would be proud of this, right. There's no rhyme
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  Speaker 1: or reason and it's very complete nonsense. So talk about
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  Speaker 1: your history with this movie. When did you first see it?
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  Speaker 1: How many times have you seen it? I first saw it.
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  Speaker 1: I grew up in Salt Lake City and we're hanging
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  Speaker 1: out with my friends basement and my friend Bob was like,
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  Speaker 1: you gotta see this movie. He kind of told us
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  Speaker 1: about it and this was like this is a while ago.
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  Speaker 1: I mean like fifth well came out an oh three.
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  Speaker 1: By the way, we're talking about the room. I don't
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  Speaker 1: know if that was ever. I guess this was maybe
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  Speaker 1: like this must have been like two thousand five or
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  Speaker 1: something there, two thousand and six. So he just shows
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  Speaker 1: us the flower shop scene. That's all he shows us.
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  Speaker 1: And then yeah, like the craziest scene of all time,
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  Speaker 1: the weirdest timing you've ever seen in anything, like Hi,
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  Speaker 1: you're my favorite customer. But it's just and I was like,
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  Speaker 1: I need to see all of this immediately. I want
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  Speaker 1: to see this movie. So we watched all of it.
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  Speaker 1: So the first time I ever watched it was like
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  Speaker 1: a basement with my friends. And then when I moved
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  Speaker 1: to l A, we went to the five year and
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  Speaker 1: versary screening of it and it was just like a
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  Speaker 1: magical experience because people were doing all the interactive stuff
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  Speaker 1: at the perfect time. We just had a really good
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  Speaker 1: theater and it was all like really fun. And because
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  Speaker 1: people like throws at you know something, there's so much
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  Speaker 1: people have written like weird interactive stuff that works really well.
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  Speaker 1: Like there's a scene the movie, you know, that scene
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  Speaker 1: where She's like, I'm going to get you drunk, which
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  Speaker 1: he's obviously never drank before, so he doesn't know what
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  Speaker 1: alcohol is. So she brings out, no, I don't. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: she like brings out two glasses of what looks like
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  Speaker 1: whiskey and then she puts vodka on top of it,
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  Speaker 1: and he goes good, Like Eddie gets drunk immediately. It's
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  Speaker 1: amazing use of symbolism because we're led to believe, oh,
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  Speaker 1: they're drunk because there's a tie around someone's head. That's
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  Speaker 1: the simple. And also they drink the entire ball box.
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  Speaker 1: You would be like having alcohol poison at that point.
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  Speaker 1: But I love you so much and I have wasted, wasted,
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  Speaker 1: I love you. Yeah, you have nice flags, you have
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  Speaker 1: nice pecks. It's weird. But the first time so I
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  Speaker 1: saw that screening and this guy like stood up in
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  Speaker 1: a robe and he was like, here's how you make
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  Speaker 1: a Scotch gun. He had this whole thing. It was
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  Speaker 1: just this really fun, interactive aspect to it. And I
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  Speaker 1: have seen it so way too many times, Like I
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  Speaker 1: hadn't seen it in a while. I watched it last
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  Speaker 1: night and I was like, oh my god, Like I know,
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  Speaker 1: I remember too much of this movie. Yeah, but I've
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  Speaker 1: always let's you know, it's got a special place in
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  Speaker 1: my heart for sure. Watching it with this intention was different.
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  Speaker 1: Sure it was. I had to watch it two times.
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  Speaker 1: I usually only watched it once before that. But it
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  Speaker 1: was like, you can't. I hadn't seen it in years,
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  Speaker 1: and so it's like I couldn't just watch it like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: this time I'm watching the room for its female characters.
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  Speaker 1: Like I just had to watch it once. Ye, fun,
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  Speaker 1: and that was great, And then the second time was
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  Speaker 1: almost like it was a totally different experience. Yeah. Well
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  Speaker 1: I had never seen this before until a couple of
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  Speaker 1: days ago, and I have since watched it four times. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that makes me so happy to new record. So I
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  Speaker 1: watched it once by myself. The next day, Jamie and
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  Speaker 1: I watched it together. We were drinking cord. Yeah, we
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  Speaker 1: were in bed. That's the way to do it. It
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  Speaker 1: was sexy watch it in bed. Then I watched it
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  Speaker 1: the following day again the Riff Tracks version of it.
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  Speaker 1: And then I saw it again this morning because I
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  Speaker 1: keep I'm like, I don't know what this movie is about.
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  Speaker 1: You just are like what am I what? What? Where
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  Speaker 1: am I going? I still feel unprepared. And I've watched
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  Speaker 1: it four times in the past three days. So we
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  Speaker 1: don't even need to talk about like how terrible it is.
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  Speaker 1: It's already been discussed on a million different platforms. It's
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  Speaker 1: going to be very hard to find something to say
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  Speaker 1: about this movie that has not been said already. That
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  Speaker 1: is an interesting challenge, but we at the Bechtel cast
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  Speaker 1: are always challenging ourselves. We're always pushing it. We are wait,
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  Speaker 1: we are challenged. We have a lot. I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I drag a Mike's heart before the episode started about therapist.
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  Speaker 1: He's man, oh, no, I'm not doing what do not
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  Speaker 1: show up to something? No, he's a phone therapist. He
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  Speaker 1: lives inside my phone. And he was like, did you
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  Speaker 1: go to the pharmacy. I was like no, and he
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  Speaker 1: was like, well go. I was like, fine, what if
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  Speaker 1: the character Peter from this movie was your therapist. We
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  Speaker 1: don't be a psychologist Peter, even though in like two
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  Speaker 1: seconds ago he was like, give me your opinion as
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  Speaker 1: a psychologist. Yeah, he there's just no rhyme of reason
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  Speaker 1: and like it's just everything he writes contradicts itself. Two
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  Speaker 1: seconds later, so really quick, before I know we should
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  Speaker 1: try to go into some sort of summary of this movie.
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  Speaker 1: But I've seen this movie, I would guess six times
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  Speaker 1: now because I've seen it twice in the past couple
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  Speaker 1: of days. Is the guy in the flesh tone sweater
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  Speaker 1: who shows up at the party scene. Is he supposed
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  Speaker 1: to be He's supposed to be Peter. Yeah, concerned concerned
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  Speaker 1: white shirt is what we always called him, and he
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  Speaker 1: he definitely replaced Peter because I don't think Peter could
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  Speaker 1: show up or something, and so that guy takes the
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  Speaker 1: role of Peter, being like, you're ruining our circle of
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  Speaker 1: friends and it's like, who are who are you? I
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  Speaker 1: just come from absolutely nowhere. I registered with me for
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  Speaker 1: the first time. On the last viewing I did this
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  Speaker 1: morning of it. I was like, Oh, he's supposed to
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  Speaker 1: be the guy that kept looking into the camera that
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  Speaker 1: I thought was cute. It looks like David Wayne. I
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  Speaker 1: feel like, David Wayne, you should play him? And I
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  Speaker 1: don't know he well. We were talking about this when
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  Speaker 1: we were watching the film in bed together, that that
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  Speaker 1: guy was the most my type, and then I think
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  Speaker 1: we decided that the guy who replaces that guy was
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  Speaker 1: the most yours. I want to make it no one
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  Speaker 1: in this movie. First of all, they're all what even Mark,
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  Speaker 1: Mark is a Chode Brownie paper under study. He is
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  Speaker 1: not rule out Chodes. I mean I wouldn't. I wouldn't
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  Speaker 1: have any history. Yeah, I would still be a virgin
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  Speaker 1: if there were. Don't count the sheds out this movie.
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  Speaker 1: There's too many white people, and therefore none of them
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  Speaker 1: are my type. Anyway, I guess was always white. I
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  Speaker 1: honestly think he's an alien stuffed into even the sex scenes.
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  Speaker 1: It's like there's like things moving under his skin. He's
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  Speaker 1: literally a mannequin from the body's exhibiting. It's really so bad.
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  Speaker 1: It's so bizarre. Well, he has such an alien's understanding
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  Speaker 1: of like what masculinity is, and like, oh, I guess
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  Speaker 1: men throw footballs around. Yeah, men throw footballs like love
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  Speaker 1: means roses and chocolate. The chocolate scene is so weird.
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  Speaker 1: When the two random people show up to make out,
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  Speaker 1: they're like, they put a full pieces of chocolate like
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  Speaker 1: a Snicker's bar in their mouth and then they make out.
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  Speaker 1: Who has ever done that? My favorite part of that
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  Speaker 1: scene don't judge I did that yesterday. My favorite part
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  Speaker 1: of that thing is when they're burst in on by
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  Speaker 1: Lisa and Lisa's mom, and then Liza's mom was like,
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  Speaker 1: this is weird, this is gross, and then she sits
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  Speaker 1: in what very well could be I didn't think about that,
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  Speaker 1: and she's like, oh my god. I all I could
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  Speaker 1: think of was with the maybe squishy noise that could
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  Speaker 1: have happened. I want to hear a summer. Are you
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  Speaker 1: gonna do? I want to hear you try, like, I
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  Speaker 1: just want to hear what this This might be the
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  Speaker 1: one that I don't interrupt, just to here we go.
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  Speaker 1: Caitlin's famous recap The Room is about a man named
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  Speaker 1: Johnny and his fiance Lisa. So far, so good. They
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  Speaker 1: live in the room The Room, but also a lot
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  Speaker 1: of the scenes take place on the roof. So I'm
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  Speaker 1: waiting for a sequel called the Room. Oh my god, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: we should see what's happening on the roof during what's happening? Please? Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: the roof is the roof of the room, right, Yes,
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  Speaker 1: I guess they were living in an apartment building. Even
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  Speaker 1: though they are always going directly outside, they're never going
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  Speaker 1: into it. I mean it's not out of the question,
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  Speaker 1: but they're always coming. They're always either in the room,
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  Speaker 1: or emerging from a little shed on top of the roof,
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  Speaker 1: the roof, weird aluminum shed that they all have to
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  Speaker 1: like duck. If you're searching for logic or continuity, you
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  Speaker 1: won't find it in this movie. Okay, but sorry, sorry.
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  Speaker 1: So these two people have been in a relationship for
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  Speaker 1: seven years between five and seven. This actress who plays
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  Speaker 1: Lisa is twenty three when this movie is released, which
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  Speaker 1: means crunch the number she's born in December was like,
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  Speaker 1: when this movie is released, he's dating a literal child.
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  Speaker 1: It's not good. They're in a relationship and they're engaged.
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  Speaker 1: She's his future wife, is said in the movie eight thousands.
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  Speaker 1: So they have sex is one of the first things.
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  Speaker 1: And then in case you forget, they have the exact
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  Speaker 1: they take the same footage from the same sex as
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  Speaker 1: put it later. But even though they seem to be
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  Speaker 1: in love, shortly after the first time they have sex,
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  Speaker 1: Lisa talks to her mom and she's like, I don't
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  Speaker 1: love him anymore. That was more life than you put
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  Speaker 1: into that reading of that line. And her mom, Claudette,
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  Speaker 1: is like, Johnny is good for you your financial security. Meanwhile,
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  Speaker 1: she's calling this guy Mark who is Johnny's best friend. Again,
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  Speaker 1: we only know this because it said in the movie Times.
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  Speaker 1: But she has apparently been having this affair with Mark,
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  Speaker 1: so she loves Mark and she doesn't love Johnny anymore.
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  Speaker 1: But Johnny is busy. I'm not Johnny, Sorry, Mark busy,
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  Speaker 1: I'm really busy right now. And then they also have
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  Speaker 1: a little boy, flash college student thirty years old. His
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  Speaker 1: name is Denny. Denny. He comes over and what likes
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  Speaker 1: to watch them have pillow fights. Yeah, he's in love
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  Speaker 1: with Lisa. He's in love with Lisa, but he also
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  Speaker 1: has a girlfriend who he mentions and he's like, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I can't wait to marry her. Enough kids with her.
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  Speaker 1: That's the idea any relationship. This premise of her not
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  Speaker 1: being in love with Johnny anymore and instead of being
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  Speaker 1: in love with Mark repeats itself for about forty five
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  Speaker 1: minutes in a in a bunch of different vaudeville right.
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  Speaker 1: Sometimes these scenes are punctuated by men tossing a football
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  Speaker 1: around or going to a flower shop. From what I
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  Speaker 1: can tell, there is not a scene that takes place
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  Speaker 1: on the roof where there is not a man with
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  Speaker 1: a sports ball, because the first when we see Denny
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  Speaker 1: on the roof and he's in trouble with the guy
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  Speaker 1: in the tank top and the beanie which Chris name
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  Speaker 1: official name Chris R. Chris R has a money and
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  Speaker 1: then that really protracted scene between Claudet and and any
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  Speaker 1: of like what kind of money Danny, And he's like,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, it doesn't matter, and then they're like
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  Speaker 1: what kind of money? What kind? That's like, what are
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  Speaker 1: you talking about? But you would be American dollars? But
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  Speaker 1: less we forget at the beginning of this seed, before
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  Speaker 1: Chris R. Enters with his gun and his body, Um,
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  Speaker 1: Danny is on the roof alone dribbling a basketball, right,
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  Speaker 1: and then later Mark's got the football. Yeah, you're right,
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  Speaker 1: I think every single time. But I think when Mark
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  Speaker 1: and Peter up there, it's just a joint Prop and Peter.
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  Speaker 1: We chance out of Mark. But that's neither here nor
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  Speaker 1: their love. Peter he's the only one who is not
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  Speaker 1: because of his very tiny glasses. He's not like the
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  Speaker 1: other guys. Hall like, I leave him alone, Okay, leave
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  Speaker 1: Peter out of this. There is that great one in
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  Speaker 1: the first part where Tommy and Peter are king. Peter
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  Speaker 1: is such a bad actor. You know, Tommy is like
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  Speaker 1: Lisa's cheating on me, and Peters like Lisa, and the
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  Speaker 1: implication is supposed to be but Lisa is such a
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  Speaker 1: good person. But with the way Peter says, it just
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  Speaker 1: sounds like Lisa. Does someone else want to fuck Lisa?
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  Speaker 1: Like the whole time, like you just like her? Could
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  Speaker 1: he keep? Yeah? Where I was like, I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: she is cheating on me with my and then it
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  Speaker 1: cuts back to Peter again He's like, wait, Lisa, really,
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  Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, we get it. You don't think
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  Speaker 1: Lisa's egg exact exactly, but everyone else thinks Lisa's hot
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  Speaker 1: because it's again said in the movie four times. Also,
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  Speaker 1: if you're having a hard time following this recap, don't worry.
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  Speaker 1: The movie is also impossible to follow. There's one of
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  Speaker 1: my favorite parts I like seeing it live was that
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  Speaker 1: there is a I can't remember what scene exactly it's after,
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  Speaker 1: but there is about twenty minutes where absolutely no new
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  Speaker 1: ine for me is given. It's when him and Mark
• 15:02
  Speaker 1: are playing football and and like there's a scene with
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  Speaker 1: the mom again. And that was the part they called
• 15:06
  Speaker 1: the seventh thing and stretch where they were like, go
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  Speaker 1: have a cigarette break, go to the bathroom. You will
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  Speaker 1: find out nothing new for the next twenty minutes or
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  Speaker 1: just like hang out, and then we finally get to
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  Speaker 1: the birthday party that they've been talking about for like
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  Speaker 1: the entire right, Okay, So yeah, so here's what happens. Basically,
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  Speaker 1: she's cheating on Johnny with Mark. Johnny overhears her talking
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  Speaker 1: about this with her mother. Lisa's like, I'm in love
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  Speaker 1: with Mark and I had sex with him. So he's
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  Speaker 1: also Lisa starts talking about Johnny hitting her. She starts
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  Speaker 1: making her store, but then he does push her, and
• 15:36
  Speaker 1: then it's like, well, I guess this has become a
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  Speaker 1: non issue. She was capable. But then she also makes up.
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  Speaker 1: She tells him that she was pregnant, and she's like,
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  Speaker 1: I just made that up to make things more interesting.
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  Speaker 1: This this batoine never comes back, not even as spoiler
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  Speaker 1: in the end, or Johnny kills himself, never knowing if
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  Speaker 1: his girlfriend's actually pregnant or not. Right right there, So
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  Speaker 1: he overhears Lisa being like, I'm I had sex with Mark,
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  Speaker 1: and Johnny's like, well, okay, and then he taps his
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  Speaker 1: own phone. Yeah, I'll recall everything, and then later on
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  Speaker 1: the party has happened. He sees them canoodling, Like Johnny
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  Speaker 1: sees Mark and Lisa. Yeah, they're like making out and
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  Speaker 1: then he and Mark fight a couple of times. Everyone
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  Speaker 1: leaves and Johnny's locked himself in the bathroom and Lisa
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  Speaker 1: calls Mark and she's like, I love you, I can't
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  Speaker 1: just bitch. Oh yeah, He's like calling a bitch you
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  Speaker 1: and your stupid mother, and she's like oh, And Mark
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  Speaker 1: takes a total turn and he's not Johnny for anymore.
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  Speaker 1: He's like, why don't you leave that looser creep? That
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  Speaker 1: crevations are so weird. My favorite part of Johnny setting
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  Speaker 1: up that whole tape recorder in that protracted scene that
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: was for some reason not edited at all where he's
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  Speaker 1: making weird kissy face as while setting up a tape
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  Speaker 1: recorder in two thousand and three were taper like we're
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  Speaker 1: also read anyways, he sets that up, but what is
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  Speaker 1: he hoping to discover that hasn't just been stated that?
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  Speaker 1: She was like, I'm cheating on you, and he's a
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  Speaker 1: proof of like a murder, Like you could just say,
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  Speaker 1: I heard you said you're cheating on me, Like and
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  Speaker 1: now I'm going to set something up so I find
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  Speaker 1: out if she's cheating. I was like, you just already
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  Speaker 1: at the end, and this is like a fun part
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  Speaker 1: of the riff tracks too. He sneaks back up the
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  Speaker 1: stairs when he knows snow one is there. Well. He
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  Speaker 1: also takes out the tape after like weeks of it
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  Speaker 1: being recorded on one like this. This audio cassette automatically
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  Speaker 1: fast forwards to the pertinent parts. Also, it's capable of
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  Speaker 1: recording hundreds of hours of us. I mean, it knows
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  Speaker 1: there's there's a I at work here. Let's bring into it.
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  Speaker 1: Let's bring him And where where is he? I know
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: where story He's a near right now. Well, we'll be
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: there soon. We can hang out with him. He he
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: wants nothing to do with me. I just have to
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: accept it. Have you tried to contact him? Oh? Yes,
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: oh man. And at this point it's like, you have
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: very strange taste. I really love Haley Dog. You're like
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: Tommy Uzzo and he's Lisa. He's successible. If I feel
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: like you could find Peter pretty easily from the movie,
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: Peter's hundred percent around. I found recent pictures of him
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: and he looks the same. Oh good, well anyways, so
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: basically he lets press on. Johnny records this conversation where
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: Lisa calls Mark and it's like I love you and
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: Johnny sucks, and then he has this recording and then
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: he freaks out. He trashes a room. Lisa's like, I'm
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: leaving you. She leaves, Johnny kills himself. He sucks, he
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: humps her dress and then he and then he shoots
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: himself in the head. Mark, Lisa and Denny I'll come back.
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: They're like, is he asleep? Wake up? Wait? Is hest upset?
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: That like not the whole cast of the movie, because
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: like Claude to come in and just be like, what's
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: going on here? Like Claudette, she might be my favorite character. Yeah,
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: and that's the story. Uh, that was pretty concise. I know.
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: It feels like we spoiled the n by saying he
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: kills himself, But I forget every time I watch it
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: that that's what happens, because there's just so much. It
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: has almost no bearer. You did too when we were
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: watching it and you're like like two years and I
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: was I was like, oh, yeah, that is how it
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: well because it has no consequences. Then, like I guess
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: Mark is like, well, I don't actually, but that has
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: I mean, not that anyone's emotionally engaged with this story,
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: but like no one gives a funk that Mark takes
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: no responsibility at any point, Like it's it's so funny
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: how every point like after he and Lisa funk for
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: what we understand it's happened before. And then he's just like,
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: I can't believe that happened, And I was just like, you,
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: you're fucking his best friend. You willingly participated first of all, Marcus,
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: I got I got in there, I got mixed up,
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: but it was like it was like she he's acting
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: at every point where I was just like Lisa just
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: like tripped and fell on his deck, and he's just like,
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: I don't understand how this happened. Well, she's like she
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: seduces him like fourteen different times, and each time he's like,
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: what's going on. He's like, have you I don't even
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: know if he's a misogynist, he might just be dumb
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: as rocks. He's very stupid. He's very stupid. Everyone they're
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: all very stupid. And let's use this as an opportunity
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: to transition into the conversation about women. So we have
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: like three three Lisa the main character. We'll get into her,
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: then her mother Claudette, and her Michelle. I also like
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: a lot well Michelle. Michelle's like the best actress in
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: the entire Yes, yes, that's it. That is true. That
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: factors into it. Yeah, maybe it's just because she has
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: so little screen time. We don't, right, She's up against
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: a lot that has been said below a surface level.
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: So she does fine. Right, But if we're just sort
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: of giving an overview of these characters, Lisa is like,
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: I mean, Lisa's probably like so they call her a
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: sociopath in it, yes, but her character arc makes no sense.
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: I guess she's like she's actively right exactly. So, I mean, again,
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: this is like a crazy movie to talk about because
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: usually we're discussing movies that have like gone through a
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: couple of drafts. They've attempted like a full character for her.
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: Draft of this movie was a six hundred page book.
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: I'm not surprised because he doesn't cut. I don't think
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: he cuts anything. The deleted scenes on the DVD are
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: just the same scenes that were shot somewhere else, So
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: he did not anybody was shot in thirty five millimeter
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: and digital digital at the same time, cameras next to
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: each other, and there are some shots where apparently neither
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: of the shots are focused being turned in. It's a boy.
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: So Lisa is, yeah, I suppose a sociopath, even though
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: it just sort of seems like she doesn't love Johnny
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: anymore and she'd rather be with Mark, but she's manipulating
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: definitely Johnny. But either way, her character is poised. Is
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: this like very she's bored and she's just trying to
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: mix it up, I mean, and she would be bored
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: because she we never see her outside of that house.
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: Literally the only information we get about her outside world
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: is that she says, you're right, the computer business is tough,
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: and that's what apparently her job is trying to get.
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: She's trying to break into the computer business because she's like,
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: I didn't talk to anybody today, Like, yeah, she's very isolated,
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: and Denny and Johnny are like her, only Denny. Did
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: They find Denny just like masturbating in a librari somewhere
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: and they're just like, you're aiming and he's like, I'm fourteen,
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: but he's clearly like twenty eight she's like, oh, yeah,
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: you just got the little penis haircut that goes a
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: long way down the middle in the middle like old
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: school JT two the point I'm trying to middle. It's
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: a big old middle part. Yeah. All of the female
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: characters are either so like Lisa, she's selfish, she's a freeloader.
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: She's callous with people's feelings. She's very conniving and scheming,
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: she's manipulating everyone. Meanwhile, her mom is like controlling, she's overbearing,
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: she's judgmental. And then Michelle again like doesn't really have
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: a personality. She sort of is. She also doesn't come
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: into like kind of right, and she has like three
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: scenes only handful of lines, like she's trying to handle
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: the she's trying to be like Lisa. What. Yeah, she's
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: kind of the moral center for She's like but she
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: also fluctuates in the space of one scene where Lisa's
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: he's hitting me, and then two seconds later she's like, oh,
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: but no, you can't break his heart, and it's like, Michell,
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: she just said even though it wasn't true until it
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: was later, and then I mean, your friend just said
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: that her fiance's hitting right, He's like but you Ke's
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: so excited for the wedding. It's like, man, everyone sucks
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: every Yeah, that's basically the everyone sucks is that everyone? Yeah,
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: the men and the women. But the women are poised
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: as these evil succubis, controlling, manipulative beings, which is pretty
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: clearly how Tommy women who broke his heart. I want
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: to meet her. Oh my god, who this could have
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: been in the Victorian era, because no one knows how
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: old he is. Yeah, he's very mysterious figure what he knows,
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: where he's from. It turns out the birthday I turned
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: up for him is strictly speculative. He won't tell anyone else.
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: The one I found on Wikipedia apparently is like not confirmed.
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: It's this speculated. If I had to in this movie
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: looking at him, if I had to guess, I would
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: say he's fifty two. But he looks this exactly the same. Now, Yeah,
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: an alien. I do think he's name. I think honestly,
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: he might just be like a bunch of sentience, like
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: sewn together chicken cutlets. Yeah, it just snakes stuff into
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: people's We're doing an episode I think pretty soon of
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: Men in Black. I think he's like like a little
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: alien creature. He's like operating a giant what they think
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: is a human god. That would be so if he
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: showed up in a Men in Black like sequel, that
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: would be so funny. Will Smith get on that? Yeah, Basically,
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: Tommy does not see women as good people, nice people,
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: maybe not even people. He definitely sees himself as very perfect.
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: Like it's like I'm a provider and he's the victim
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: of this scheme and he's like he has all these things,
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: just like I'm an incredible lover. Like he's like, I
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: love I love you Danny. I want to adopt Danny.
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: You know. He's always trying to give these weird speeches
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: about how like how if everybody just loved each other
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: the world would be a better place that. And then
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: there's a scene between um Lisa and her mom where
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: for the first few beats of that, Lisa's like, oh,
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: Johnny hit me, and I don't love him anymore and
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: he's boring and I hate him. And then Danny shows
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: up and her mom's like, what's this kid's deal? And
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: then Lisa like does a complete one eighteen and she's like,
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: Johnny is so generous and he's paying for his college
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: tuition and he's a really caring person. Why why Like
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: there's no consistency, of course there's not in this movie.
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: But Tommy is always like my character is the best
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: because I I'm the best gay. There's a bunch of
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: lines that I wrote down, Like when Lisa's doing her
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: weird whatever it is she's doing, there's like several times
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: where she makes these broad statements of all women. Meanwhile,
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: every time Marcus ownscreeny is like, I don't understand when
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: they're so confusing and women are dress I'm so busy.
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: What does he say? He's like, they're either psychos out there.
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: I wrote it. I just can't figure women out. Sometimes
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: they're too smart, sometimes they're just flat out stupid. Other
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: times they're dressed evil, which is just like, oh, this
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: is just a thesis statement of how Tommy was so
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: understands women. And then later on Lisa when she's having
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: her crazy moments, you know, Tommy comes in when Michelle
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: is you know, they're drinking wine and their wax fruit
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: is on the table and they have like an above
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: they have a shot from like teetering above them like
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: this in the fucking war room, and Michelle's like, poison
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: this weird thing, and Tommy comes into what secrets are
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: you thinking about? And then Lisa's like, it's between us
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: women like these like it's girl secrets. Yeah, it's girl talk.
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: I just told you that. And then what do you
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: think women change their minds all the time? It's just
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: like and then then I guess I also wrote down
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: how people view women or how like whenever someone's like,
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: this is how women are, right, it happens eight thousand times.
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: One of the first times it happens is where Lisa
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: is talking about her mom, I think to Mark and
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: she's like, she's a stupid bitch and she wants to
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: control my life. And then Johnny and Peter, and then
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: later Mark comes into the scene. But Johnny is like,
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: I don't understand women, do you, Peter? And then Peter says,
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: what man does in my professional opinion and my professional
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: opinion as a trained psychologist, what man? And then Johnny says,
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: they never say what they mean and they always play games.
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: And then Mark shows up. And then Mark and he
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: was like, women are confused. Women confused me? And then
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: he sort of mentions that he has a woman, and
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: Johnny wants to meet her, and then Mark's like, no,
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: it's an awkward situation. Johnny says, do you mean she's
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: too old? Or you think I would take her away
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: from you? The only two options that a woman, A
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: living gargoyle was like, is she do all? That's a
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: perfect Like, yeah, that that's all women can be to me.
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: They're too old or I have to have the chance
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: to steal them. But I love that. Okay. So it
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: is repeatedly vaguely referenced that Johnny works at a bank, right,
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: and I think he works as a gargoyle on this
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: side of Oh my God, he's totally a gargoyle and
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: he just crawls out of the third story when because
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: he says, there's a part where they're like, oh, did
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: you get the promotion? He's like, no, but they've already
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: put my ideas into practice. So it probably means like, yeah,
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: I came up with ideas to get the pigeons away
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: from from the bank from crawling after. How would you
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: promote a guard I don't know, but a garboil in
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: a tie, now that's fuckable. That's amazing, especially if the
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: tie ends up on the hell ladies head. You have
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: great legs, you have great pigs. I love that scene
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: where they're where all the guys are talking about women
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: is one of my favorites because they are like, how
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: did you meet Lisa meet? And it's the story is like, well,
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: I moved to San Francisco, I had no money, and
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: I had a two thousand dollars check and I couldn't
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: cash it. And anyway, I saw Lisa sitting she was
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: having a coffee. She's so beautiful, and that's how we met.
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: And they're like, what, but what was weird about? And
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: she's like, oh, on the first date she paid yea,
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: so good for Lisa. Yeah, autonomy, she I know, but
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: also he could be her, Like, okay, if I didn't
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: deal like she was that young in it, right, if
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: she's twenty two, I don't. We don't know how old
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: Lisa's supposed to be, but the actress is twenty two.
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: And at the end, at some point in the middle
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: of the movie they do say five years, but then
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: by the end they're saying seven years. It feels like
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: the movie last for two years. So I guess, yeah,
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: we don't know the timeline for sure, but with that logic,
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: Tommy Wise, who is at least a hundred years old,
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: has been dating her since she was fifteen years old
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: when he first spotted her in that coffee shop. It's
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: the whole Edward Cullen bella swan thing all over again,
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: but worse. But that's with a cadaver and he's not
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: even hot. It's okay anytime somewhere like a guy with
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: long hair dyes that hair jet black. It is the
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: most off putting thing I can possibly think of. It's wait,
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: here are a few more mentions of how women are
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: women be confusing. There's a scene where Mark and Johnny
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: are in a what I can only assume is a
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: cheesecake shop. Everyone's and Mark talk about Lisa's pizza order.
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: So yeah, Mark goes, I'm so tired of girls. Games,
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: relationships never work. It's interesting because I do want to know.
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: I mean, obviously there's a lot I want to know
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: about Tommy Rozo, but I would love to know his
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: history with women, because he obviously is very off putting,
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: is a human being, and I think pursues women, probably
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: very intensely, and they're like fuck no into him. He's like, oh,
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: she's playing a game. It's like no, you're fucking terrified.
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: She genuinely it does not want to be around you.
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: And he's like, oh, the process in he's like doing
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: a dozen red roses or whatever. He's probably dropped off
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: so many roses to so many women. He's spending eighteen
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: dollars all over the place. Do you think I feel
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: like he took that weird? Okay, here's our here's our
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: Fantom of the Opera Tuno thousand four Joel Schumacher efforts
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: of the episode. They have a weird Phantom of the
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: Opera candelabra in the bedrooms, very Phantom of the Opera, like, yeah,
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: and it's always lit, like when even when their ship
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: drunk on whiskey vodka, the Phantom of the Opera candelabra,
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: all forty five candles are lit. And they also have
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: that like rain window machine. Yeah, it's very like Pier
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: One set lots of candles and like weird waterfalls and
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: the canopy bed The budget for this movie was six
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: million dollars. What six million dollars? Which and that's one
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: of the other big mysteries, as no one knows that
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: he has gotten Tommy Wiou said that he might have
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: raised it through a leather jacket business. But that's as
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: close as anyone's gotten to finding out. I wonder he
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: must have just been like independently wealthy. Also, he could
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: have been working a minimum wage job for three hundred years.
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: We don't know. That's probably we've just been saving his
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: pennies for this master pook. Yeah, all this money. I
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: would like to say that if I had been given
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: this draft of the script, I would have written great
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: coverage on it. I could have found ways to make
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: it into something that resembles a movie. Could you have
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: punched up the line me underwears you know what? I
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: would have left that exactly as is. I love that too.
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: This is one of the only movies I've seen where
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: you see an entire scene play out and then someone
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: describes the entire scene later. I don't think I have
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: ever seen that happen in a movie, right, because it's
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: not supposed to know you know what? Repeaid information eight
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: thousand times the underwears that guy? What is that guy's deal?
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: He was plugged out of a UCB three oh one
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: class and frosted tips from two thousand three, which, like
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: I feel like was over by then. But I think so.
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: It guys well, at least where I where I was living,
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: frost tips were thriving into the late I guess they
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: were still. It just feels, well, what using about him
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: and his character and how we meet him is that
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: he and Michelle come into the room and it's room
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: that we're talking about, the room or is it the
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: upstairs room? Bad things that's in the room. I think
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: it's I think it's the main downstairs, Yeah, the downstairs pictures. Honestly,
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: the movie should have been called The Apartment, which leads
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: me to, well, Mike and Michelle come into that apartment
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: to have sex. But it's like, do they have some
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: sort of arrangement where they the room out sitting Well,
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: that's another thing. It's like when Lisa comes in from
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: a more lit area, we don't know exactly where she
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: reacts to them fucking on her couch the same way
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: as she reacts to finding out her mother has cancer,
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: which is don't worry about it. Yeah, people say, don't
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: worry about it so much. He never I realized he
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: never answers a question in the movie, Like even when
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: one time when Denny says, what movie are we going
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: to see? He goes, don't worry about it. He couldn't
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: even bother to write the movie title, Like things don't
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: always work out as plant, Like what do you don't
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: want to date this movie in time at all? And
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: like but people have frosty tips and flesh colored sweaters.
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: We know when this is taking place. I do think
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: like talking about red and coverage and like helping it
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: become a better movie. It is because it's obviously very
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: like lifetime movie esque and you know all those kind
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: of like older Lifetime movies where the woman was like
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: this manipulative you know, woman who's kind of like taking
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: over and like it like has that essence that it
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: could have been that if somebody had taken the reins
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: and fixed it right, Because so what do we know
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: about because I didn't do any research about the development
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: or production or anything on this movie. Was Tommy? Was
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: he like an authoritarian sort of? Yes, he was authoritarian
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: and he also couldn't do anything like so The Disaster Artist,
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: which is coming out as a movie, is a bookten
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: by Greg Cistero, who plays Mark, but also if you
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: look in the credits, is the line producer and assistant
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: to Tommy. Was right, like he had to wake Tommy
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: was up every day. Yeah, so he like, I didn't
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: manage the butt. He basically became friends with Greg Cicero
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: and was like, I want to make this movie blah
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: blah blah, and yeah we just totally like I think,
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: you know, had his hands in every single part. Would
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: never you know, had to have it his way, but
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: also a terrible actor who made everything go like that
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: scene where he comes out on the roof and it's like,
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: I did not hit her. I did not. They apparently
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: had they had to do like dozens and dozens of
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: times because he could not do the line, but it
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: still seems to be eighty and then it's still dubbed
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: over she like when the line could have just been
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: like I didn't hit her, like assistance and over complicating
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: all the dialogue is hilarious. And then I love how
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: like eight percent of the dialogue in this movie is
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: just like unnecessary throat clearing, high are you? I'm good?
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: How are you? And then the rest of it is
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: like insanely on the nose kind of funny what or
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: definitely he had he's my best friend. Oh you're my
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: future wife? Right, I have cancer, don't worry about it
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: that I got the results of the test back. Definitely.
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: I love Claudette. Claudet is great. She lists that up
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: like any of her fours. I got the test back.
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: I I definitely have breast cancer. I'm so glad I
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: divorced that other guy. And then later on the movie
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: she's like, I'm tired. I'm blah blah blah. I was like, yeah,
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: because you have cancer, but it's never been a tough time. Well,
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: I feel like Tommy was like, we gotta throw more
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: drama into this. Make the mom have breast cancer, make
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: Denny be involved in some drug scheme, like yeahs off
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: but yeah, but he's like, I know there should be drama,
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: So I'm just gonna like he just like threw the
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: plots of every just like scrambled around a bunch of
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: words and we're like, okay, drugs, cancer, cheating, Diana Beanie
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: psychologist And even that shot where it seems like Mark
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: might throw Peter off off and it makes eye contact
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: with the camera and then it's like, oh no, he's fine,
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: and then Mark sorry that into a fight with a
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: friend and almost throwing them off. Don't worry about it anyways.
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: I will say, Okay, for some more background, I was
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: doing research and the actress who plays Lisa, and she
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: has done her darnedist to try, yeah, but at least
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: to hopefully like because a lot of like the early
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: stuff for this movie, from what from what I was reading,
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: was like, I mean, people were making fun of her obviously,
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: but they were also like making fun of her body
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: and all this stuff, and she was like, I hope
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: that I can turn this into a thing about body.
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: Did she try to do that? She did. I wouldn't
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: say she was necessarily successful, but I would like to
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: cite the fact that she did attempt to say, hey,
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: my body is not the worst part of this movie
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: by a long shot, because I guess like the very
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: early early early people to this movie were like, especially
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: I think the screen yeah there it was like some
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: mean stuff at the screen people yellow. Yeah. I can
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: see it both ways, where it's like there being no
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: meaner to her than they would be to Tommy wise. Oh,
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: but also like she's she's just on screen. It's not
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: like she's not sucking up, she's just being there, and
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: she's basically a kid being humped by this fucking stone
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: ghool I would love to see her like in something else,
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: because when I watch it again, like her acting isn't great,
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: but she's given such bad stuff that sometimes her acting
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: is okay in the movie, it's just like the material
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: is so bad that I would like to see her
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: in something she moved back a long time ago. I'm sure, yeah,
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: this this wrecked her. I did see so like the
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: last time I looked her up, which was a few
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: years ago, so probably happening where she was trying to
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: sell paintings of spoons and footballs and stuff she was
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: making of the room related. I guess, I mean, I
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: guess if like Greg is it Cistero. If Greg Cistero
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: can sell a book to James Franco, sure sell a
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: painting of a spoon, why not Jesus Chris Well. One
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: of my favorite parts of the movie is when it's
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: either the first or second time that Johnny and Mark
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: get into a fist fight at the same party, but
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: something gets knocked over or broken or glass gets broken
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: or something like that, and then they sort of calmed
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: down and then Johnny goes to Lisa. Lisa clean that up,
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: because like, that's that is in the story. Women be cleaning,
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: women be scheming, and that's all women are going for.
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: And then we already kind of touched on this, but
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: like eight different characters throughout the course of the movie,
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: some of them more than once would be like, Lisa,
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: you're so beautiful, she's looking so hot tonight. You look
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: great in a red dress, which is like, okay, fine,
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: but red means she's bad. Sorry. Um, it's fine to
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: tell a woman she's beautiful, I suppose, but if that's
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: the only thing about her that they're ever commenting on,
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: to be fair, she provides something, nothing else other than
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: she might be seeking a job in the computer business.
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: But you're right, because Tommy is like, oh, he's provides,
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: he's got he's listening this to this, and she's got
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: nothing besides right, okay. So it's established early on, and
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: then it keeps being repeated, especially by Claudette. The it
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: Lisa can't provide for herself. We don't know why or
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: why Cloud believes this is true, so vehemently run it's
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: getting divorced. Like what are you doing, Claude up, Yeah,
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: besides purchasing cream colored pants. But like, sure, maybe Lisa's
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: struggling to find work in the computer business, but also
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: like she seems perfectly capable to find work elsewhere, you know,
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: some other flower shops, at the shops. Tommy's got friends everywhere.
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: Johnny's like trying at the flower shop, but instead she
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: stays in the room all day, And it's like, why
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: would you? Like I was like, are you just sweeping?
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: Your friends come around, like what are you sweeping? Clearly filthy,
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: like it's a filthy place. She also can't unload grocery
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: and talk at the same time. She has to pull
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: something out of a bag and I'm looking out for
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: number one pulls out of another bag of chips, wouldn't you?
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: But it's so it's just unclear why the choice was made,
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: as with any choice in this movie, why she is
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: incapable of providing for herself or holding down a job
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: or anything like that. But it's like the whole thing
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: is like she has to stay with Johnny because he
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: provides for her at his gargoyle job at the bank.
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: So she's just been with him for so long since
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: she was fifteen, that she's just used to him providing
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: her with all the necessary carbs and plastic apple she
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: needs to survive, and she just I guess does the
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: vodka there's bottles of whiskey, there's I think she found
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: the bottle of vodka outside it was Denny's. There's a
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: good fan theory where Denny is Lisa's dad, and that's
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: why saying I went back and every scene between Denny
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: and Lisa's mom, for some reason, is very contentious and
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: like she she's like, who's that? And then he's like,
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: you're not my mom and she's like, my fucking mom, right,
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: You're not my fucking mom. It's like because she's his whoa.
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: Also she's like, don't you have a kitchen in your
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: own house? Because he comes into borrow half a cup
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: of sugar and butter, do you obviously turn into some
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: sinister sex instrument? I really like I like that scene
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: a lot because like Denny comes in this right after
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: they find Mike and Michelle making out, and then Denny
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: comes in and Clauda is like, this is worse than
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: Grand Central Station, and you know that Tommy thought that
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: was the funniest line he had ever written. He was like,
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: now this is and it was just like if you
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: were I were a burglar, you'd be my best friend.
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: Like I feel like I'd never even occurred to me
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: that those were supposed to be funny. I think I
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: think it's supposed to be funny. And then but then
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: the response to like, what is this Grand Central's Asia,
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: Like Danny's sort of like, oh, because I'll come back
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: for this man. I would pay so much money to
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: see between them. I love. That was the only one
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: that jumped out of me, as like, we don't know
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: how all Denny is. We just don't know it. He's
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: like the he's like the opposite of Tommy on the
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: on the Benjamin Button scale. They're both kind of just
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: like exactly crossing each other with the body. And then
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: Danny's first scene, he's just like, but I wouldn't want
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: you guys fun And then they're like, oh Denny, Denny,
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: Johnny goes to was great, but three is a crowd,
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: you know that famous saying it goes exactly like that.
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: That's how I get out, So you want me to leave?
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: And he was like, ha, ha, that's the idea, the idea. Oh.
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: My favorite line in the entire movie is when Michelle
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: comes in and Lisa and Mark were about to have
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: sex and his like pants are undone and she goes hey,
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: X Y Z and he's like, what are you talking about?
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: And she's like, examine your zipper. That is, which totally
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: goes against what you would say earlier, which was like,
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: don't cheat on Johnny. But then she's like, well, I mean,
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: if they're already going to do it, she's got to
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: help her friends. I think she was saying examine your zipper,
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: like about their whole thing. She was like, the zipper
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: is your life, and your zipper zipper of your soul.
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: You know. I love Michelle. She were so much pleather.
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: I love her. I love her. My other favorite scene
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: is when they're at the cheesecake factory and Johnny's like, oh, yeah,
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: we got this new client to the bank. I can't
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: talk about it as confidential anyway, how's your sex life?
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: Just like the most insane. I would love to copy
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: a bunch of those lines and just go on a
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: date and like completely used all of those just free.
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: I think I will. My favorite line is in that
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: same scene between Michelle and Lisa, where Lisa's just saying
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: like I love cheating on Johnny blah blah blah, Mark's hot,
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: and then Michelle says, your point of view is so
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: different from mine. And then these two scenes back to
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: back are amazing because it's like the scene of what
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: Tommy was that thinks female friendship is like, which is
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: a woman being like, I'm terrible, aren't we all ands?
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: Like secret? And then cut to Tommy was this version
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: of what he thinks male friendship is like, which is
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: jogging around talking about stocks with Mark. That's the thing
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: about this movie, like, women are not portrayed well by
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: any stretch. However, neither are the male except one portrayed
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: except for Johnny's character, who was like put in this
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: pedestal and it's like, I'm just the victim, I'm the provider,
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: I'm a great guy, and I'm all I'm caring for everyone,
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: but everyone portrayed me apart from that, which is like, man,
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: I gotta love that self indulgent bullshit from a male writer, director, producer, actor,
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: But I mean, he clearly has no understanding of character
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: development or storytelling in general. So it's hard to be like, well,
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: the women aren't portrayed well, because well, neither are the men.
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: But he doesn't seem to have an extremely limited understanding
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: of how women think and interact. And relate to each
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: other and to other people. Right, exactly. Again, he is
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: an alien and he does not understand human interaction in general.
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: He said, so many millennia to observe humans, it's amazing
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: he doesn't understand them better. True, he's perched up there
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: seeing him in person or anything. No, does he live
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: in l A. I think so. I mean he's I
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: don't think they do the midnight screens anymore. But he
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: used to be there every week and he wears like
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: five belts at once. It's very weird. He wears like
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: five different studded belts, all kind of like criss crossing
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: over his body. I've heard, I've seen like pictures of him.
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: I I almost saw him once many years ago in Boston,
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: but then I didn't. But like he has toured with it, right, Yeah,
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: he's gone aroun with it. I just once I was
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: like home once, I was about to settle in and
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: like show the guy I was dating Friday Night Lights
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: for the first time. We were about to like get in.
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: It's like a big commitment. And then I got a
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: text from Test who's my coast and ladies lady that's
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: like I'm at a party that Tommy was a was
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: at and I was like, this is a fucking crossroads.
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: Do I go to this party right now? Wait? Did
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: you go? Yeah? Okay, of course I had to, and
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: it was we were like, we have to go Frida
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: Atlantes will be yeah. Yeah, But we just showed up
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: to this random party, like did shot to Tommy was
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: own two pictures of him and then left. Do you
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: have the pictures? Yeah, you guys can put it on
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: out of those. It's really funny. Um, I wish I
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: had hung out. Now in retrospect, we should hung out
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: the party and tried to get drunk with him, but
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: I didn't. I was focused on getting back. I mean,
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: does anyone have any other thoughts about the portrayal of
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: women in the movie? I will say, see it like,
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: I feel bad if you haven't seen it, because it's
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: it's very obviously like you said, it's like very confused,
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: hard to follow us if you have, but you have,
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: just see it. Just sucking. Give it to watch, Give
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: a watch with your friends. It's a really fun, stupid
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: movie to watch. Enjoyed watching this more than I enjoyed really,
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: So yeah, it's one of the most fun bad movies
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: of all time, I think so, speaking of really bad movies,
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: I saw most of the movie called Titanic Too last night,
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: which I break it down, is it like a Titanic
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: to like to the James Cameron movie or just to
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: the event to the event, although there are many different
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: visuals and lines of dialogue that are directly lifted from
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: James Cameron's Titanic, where the story is like there's a
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: group of like coast guard people in scientists who are
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: sort of tracking this giant glacier and like ships falling
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: off of it, like big chunks of ice are falling
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: off of it and creating these tsunami tsunamis, that's the
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: technical term. They're creating these tsunamis that are sucking everything
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: up in the Atlantic Ocean. Meanwhile, Titanic to a ship
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: that was created to sail across the ocean? Who's going
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: to get on that? By the way, we're really gonna
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: be like, yeah, let me buy a fucking ticket to
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: Titanic too. There were a more ominous name for any fuck,
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: the Challenger, the Challenge Challenges. So there's this all these
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: people on board the Titanic two and the icebergs start
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: to fall off into the water, but it's not really
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: the The ship hits an iceberg, but that's not really
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: the threat. Seems to be more of the tsunamis that
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: are happening anyways. Is like a sci fi Channel movie,
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: like what it's like, Oh, Shane van Dyke, which I
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: think might be Dick Van Dyke's offspring or grandson or
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: something like that, directed it. And then it's like a
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: very like da most yeah, exactly, like most of the
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: ship is like c G. I'ed very poorly, but it's
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: a It's incredible. It's my new favorite movie. Check out
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: Titanic too, and uh borrow it at your local library today.
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: I will say, um, I watched The Room last night
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: with a guy, and uh, I didn't want. I didn't
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: want to start making out during it because I'm so
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: worried about one of the fucking sex scenes starting because
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: in the movie all the sex scenes have moaning put
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: over them. Yeah, r moaning of Mark going like four
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: months later. Yeah, And I was like, I can't afford
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: to start making out with this guy and having like
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: one of these weird sex scenes start because they happened
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: every few minutes when you at least expect it because
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: it's always like, oh, finally one ended. We have at
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: least twenty minutes, but you never do. I mean that
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: the first one is three minutes in and then at
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: lasts for like seven minutes. And I tweeted last night
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: that I was like, oh, what's the opposite of an awakening?
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: Because I just saw the room for the first time
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: and now I'm in a sexual coma. So there's a
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: great tweet. Follow me on Twitter at Caitlin Darante. Anyway, Oh,
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: should we talk about whether or not the movie passes
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: the Bechdel test amazingly? Yeah? It does, right? Did they
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: talk about that she talks with Claude about like work
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: and business, and there's there's I I say, it passes
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: surely on the amount of filler dialogue in this movie.
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: But it does pass on the first scene with two women. Yeah,
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: there are. Honestly, I am very surprised. I was. I
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: counted all the scenes where women are interacting, and there
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: are like ten or eleven scenes where when you edit
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: nothing out of your movie, ye pass the Bechdel test
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: if you leave absolutely over the A lot of them
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: are duplicate, exactly like Lisa and her mom have the
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: same conversation where Lisa's like, I don't love Johnny anymore
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: and her mom's like, well, you need to stay with
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: him for some financial security. That conversation happens like four times.
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: So most of the scenes they are talking about a
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: whole flew of men, either Johnny or Mark or Denny
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: or one of her mom's sex husband or her brother. Yeah,
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: men get talked about a lot, but yeah. The first scene,
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: Lisa's mom comes in and Lisa's like, hi, Mom, how
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: are you. She's like fine, how are you? Okay, let's
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: go sit on the couch less actor and she's like, well, now,
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: what's happening with you? Oh? Nothing much? Do you want
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: some coffee? What's wrong? I don't feel good today? And
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: then they start talking about how she doesn't love Johnny anymore.
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: But the first few those exchanges of first few lines
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: of dialogue, past the backdo test, and then pretty much
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: every scene after that where women are talking, because then
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: Lisa talks to her mom a bunch more times, leads
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: the talks to Michelle a bunch of times. They almost
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: always are talking about some combination of Johnny or Denny
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: or Mark, but like very barely passes. Barely. Yeah, but
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: it's crazy to think that The Room, the best movie
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: ever made, passes the Bechdel test. It really and and
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: like multiple times, right, because there's a few other like
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: scenes that will there either be talking about a guy
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: and then the topic shifts to then they started talking
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: about Lisa, and then they have a pillow fight out
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: of nowhere, or they start talking about something else and
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: then they transition into talking about Johnny or something. But yeah,
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: it happens a few different times where they're not talking
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: about a man the whole time. And also, to be fair,
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: while most of the time, if there are women talking
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: to each other, they are talking about one of the
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: male characters, but the reverse of that is when the
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: men are talking to each other, they're often talking about Lisa.
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: It's either stocks or mostly Lisa, and are to qualify
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: the qualification talking about either how confusing or what a bit? Yeah,
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: she gets called a bitch, a tramp, all different names,
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: but I would also say she'd called confusing just as
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: many times. It's just I feel like it's just like
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: a weird mirror. He just doesn't Yeah, he's like so confusing, right,
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: He's like she's a bitch, But also I don't get it,
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: and I wish I understood. He used to take like
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: some gender studies classes. Yeah, yeah, go to the college
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: that Denny's at taking class. You're paying, might as well
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: sit it. You can see you can. God, I don't
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: know words what it is. Denny majoring in. I think
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: I think baking. The baking that they had to borrow
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: all the sugar and the butter for homework. Yeah, for homework.
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: I mean he's he bought drugs to sell drugs so
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: that he could make money. Even though Johnny's paying for
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: small business arts. He's studying business. He knows all about
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: he get it. Whatever happened to Chris are though, Um,
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: I mean, I feel like he's definitely started a rapping
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: career because he was very he was very eminem inspired.
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: He was provided with the wardrobe to start a wrapping
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: career in two thousand and three. He and the gun
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: that he pulls on Denny is the same gun that
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: Johnny shoots himself with. They clearly had one prop gun
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: on set and they're like, well, well, I mean Chris
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: did get arrested apparently, like we'll take him to the police,
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: so maybe they just were like, man, we'll just keep
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: us around, you know, because burglars obviously want to come
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: in and out of the room. You gonna have a gun.
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: But they have a way of getting up to the roof. Right.
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: I made a list of things I thought the room
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: might smell, like, oh no, well that's the upstas the
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: bedroom is the room the bedroom when all the room
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: is downstairs. But also I guess they could probably could
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: be connected because they're connected by a spiral staircase. By
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: don't think there's a door. I don't think it is. Well,
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: now there is a door, because we see when he
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: that seem me like see his dick. Basically he gets one.
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: He's going into the bathroom, though I think he went
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: into the bathroom. I made a list of cat food, jerky,
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: curdled gravy. There's a cat in there somewhere, it's living
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: or dead, uh, spilled laundry, detergent that someone spills cereal,
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: and the floor is to nails. A dog visited this
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: apartment three years ago and ship somewhere. There's at least
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: four chain wallets somewhere in this apartment. Someone at one
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: point spilled a vat of vinegar and somewhere. Oh, and
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: this was something we talked about when we were watching
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: the movie together. All of the furniture in this movie
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: is covered in brown sheets, and I presume underneath plastic sheet.
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: In Kids, someone just has someone himself over. They rent
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: out that couples to come in and fuck everything the apartment.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: But they were but which At first I was like, oh,
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: low budget, they're probably renting the furniture. But then it
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: was like you find out there's a six million dollar
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: budget and they were filming these cow just covered in
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: sheets and digital like, Yeah, that was a deliberate choice
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: for some reason. And also I said it might smell
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: like misty Mental one twenties, which is the cheapest but
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: most fami form of cigarettes. Fun fact, my mom's I
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: feel like also a lot of dead flowers. Well, obviously
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: the row pedals all over the place. There's certainly not
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: an air conditioner in this place. What about We didn't
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: talk about the music the place soundtrack the plays during
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: the sex scenes vaguely Eastern. I own the soundtrack someone
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: someone gave it to me as a gift. They found
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: it like goodwill. But I get the songs in my head,
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: the rose one is get like I was singing to
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: it last night next to that guy. I think he
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: thought I was sucking insane. The music is like, yeah,
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: I want to know about the soundtracks. I want to
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: know if you hired like one band to write at
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: all or what impossible to say impossible, I don't care
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: enough to do the research. It's out there. If you
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: want to find it, go find it. To find it,
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: find it, get finger to that song, go crazy? Why not?
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: Or finger someone to that song? Right right, let's not
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: limit you. You're simultaneous. It's the finger yourself. I've never
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: pulled that off. Usually, when it's like we're going to
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: do it at the same time, one person is like,
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: I'm not really going to do it though, But you know,
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: maybe you're not like me. Maybe you can actually pull
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: off your end of the bargain. Yeah, yeah, at least
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: push yourself for Tommy's sake, right, Challenge yourself, just as
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: Tommy is challenged by the English language and human behavior.
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: Challenge yourself. Shall we write the movie, Oh my god, million,
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: Let's write the movie on our nipple scale. We determine
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: how the movie fares based on its portrayal of women
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: zero to five nipples. I mean, there are two nipples
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: in the well, two female nipples in the movie. Wee
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: bundle of nipples and but it's really just Lisa's nipples
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: feel and um, and Mike figures out how to put
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: a Mike nimples Mike Frosty tips nipples. So we see
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: eight nipples, which is the number of nipples a single
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: cat has. There, it is there, it is cat facts
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: with Caitlin. Anyway, I'm gonna give it. I mean, I
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: can't give it any more than zero, Like it's zero's nipples.
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: Like it's no, okay, you do whatever you want. I'm
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: gonna give it zero nipples. Um. We can't even really
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: seriously discuss this movie in any way because it barely
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: is a movie. Fee but it's clear that the creator
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: of this movie does not see women is dynamic, multidimensional people.
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: He's just like they confusing. They're confusing, manipulative, traitors, shrews.
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: I only care about taking my money. They're too smart,
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: they're too dumb, or they're just crazy or yeah. I
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: mean that. Plus the movie being easily the one of
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: the worst movies I've ever seen. Four times and one
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: part times. You love this movie it goes without saying
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: that it's the worst thing ever, and it does not
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: treat women well. It doesn't treat men well either. But
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: it's just a stupid, stupid movie. And it gets zero nipples,
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: and those nipples belong to oh there aren't any, so
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: they don't belong to anybody. I'll say three nipples this well,
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: and I'll say two nipples, and like a few like
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: aerial bumps. Is that a thing? A couple of aerial
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: goose bumps? All these I don't know, I think, so
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: whatever they are, you know what I mean? Um, so
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: to full nipples and a few little bumpies? Why so many?
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: Because in this movie it's just a personal thing. It's
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: it's like I've had a lot of really really fun
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: experiences in my life with this movie, and so I
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: can't help but relate it to that, you know, lots
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: of different experiences of friends and like some good nostalgia
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: for me with this movie, and just it's unlike anything
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: I've ever seen. I can't you know, I mean, obviously
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: related to the point of the podcast, it's not it
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: does not probably get any nipples, but it's so hard
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: to qualify because it's such nonsense that I'll give it
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: a pass in that point, I'm going to give it
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: a nipple and a half. And this is I will
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: acknowledge apologist to an extent. But I don't think that
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: Tommy was Out does not want to understand women. I
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 1: think that he does. He would, like in a perfect world,
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: he would understand how women work, but the way it's
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: portrayed in this movie is not. But like he just
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: doesn't anything. But I feel like at least he expresses
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: through every male character and what are women like? It's confusing?
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: What isn't confusing? Jogging, sports balls, roofs, banking, like these
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: things he understands. It does pass the Backtel test a
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: number of times, which probably says more to the flaws
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: of the Battel test than anything else. But I think
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: Tommyzzo would like to understand how women are. He never will.
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: It won't happen. It's crazy because he will live at
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: least another five years. Never will. But men don't understand women.
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: What man does? What my boyfriend, that's Peter, that's the
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: name of Peter's like book. He was like, what man does? Like, yeah,
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 1: understanding women? He appears on Oprah time. I'll give it
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: a nipple and a half. One I'm going to give
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: to Lisa's just because I can summon the image of
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 1: it to my mind so quickly. And then the other
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: half I'm gonna give to Peter because we never get
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: to see his nipples, but you know, they're weird. I
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: feel like they look just like his face, like a
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: miniature version of this. Yeah, like it's yeah, it's a
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 1: mirror version of his face, just like a receding hairline
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: at the top. He is a receding nipple hairline. I
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: love him. He's cute. Anyways, you're tarrying me apart, Jamie.
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 1: Peter's cute. Well, that just about does it for the room. Amazing.
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: Watch it if you haven't seen it truly experience, Yeah,
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: no one can. But Barbara, thank you so much for
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: being here. It's been a delight. Thanks for choosing this one.
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: I'm glad. I'm glad to put you through that. Yeah,
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: well you had also you were like total recall, and
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: I was like, that would be fun. Total recall three
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: nipples at once. You have to get total three reading
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: three nipples, I mean, no matter what exactly. Yeah, I
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: just like I said, I was just like yeah, what
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: are movies I've seen a million times, so feel like, yeah,
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: total recall would be an interesting one, but I don't
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: think it would pass at all. I don't know how
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: most movies we talked about. I don't don't except for
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 1: The Room, which now joins the Hall of Fame of movies,
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: we've done that. Yeah, inevitably, somehow, usually by mistake past
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 1: the factal tests. I mean, I'm surprised that there were
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: more than one female character in the movie. There's three, three,
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: and like they all seem to get along pretty well. So, hey,
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: Tommy did something right, I guess. I mean, also, if
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: you count the interactions with the cheesecake waitress and the
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 1: other woman ordering cheesecake, there's a whole cheesecake scene. But
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 1: we don't we don't know their names. You're not, hey,
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 1: I like as woke as women can be flower Shop
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 1: Tommy will play, women can be trying to break into
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: stem but they can't quite figure it out. Well, yeah,
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 1: but they're trying business and they're that dog at the
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 1: flower shops a woman. And then I want to add
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 1: the dougie. I want to have a sex scene as
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: efficient as the flower shop scene. That's right, my like,
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: they're like fun fun in and out by Doggie. I
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 1: do like though that you see Johnny both go into
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 1: the flower shop and come out of for a scene
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: that didn't need to be there at all. You do
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: see every step, every step. Yeah, at least now I've
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 1: seen this movie. And Shane Van Dyke, by the way,
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 1: is Dick Van Dyke's grandson. Okay, well check out Titanic,
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 1: to check out Lady to Lady where I think we're
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 1: interviewing Dick Vandyke soon really, no way, I don't know,
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 1: but we're supposed to. He came to a comedy show
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 1: that I did in Malibu. Shout out Chris Crofton's Boo
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 1: comedy show. I did it recently. I got yelled at
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 1: by Dick Van Dyke, by Shane Van Dyke, by a
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 1: Malibu drunk. That'll happen at that show. Yeah, kind like
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 1: was one of like six people in the audience that
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 1: in the other four were a bunch of drunk people
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 1: who heckled everyone the entire time. Anyway, Um, Barbara, where
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: can people find you online? Where can people follow you? Um?
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 1: My Twitter is at Bab's Gray. I probably don't pass
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: the Bechdel test on there, and most of my regular
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 1: life with myself and my website is my jokes are
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 1: up here dot com. You can find me there and yeah,
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: Lady to Lady podcast. I have a show every Friday
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 1: called Sauce at the Sano Pizza in Hollywood, California. Yeah.
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: I used to do paint night events there anyway. Oh yeah,
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 1: and then you hooked me up with that paint job.
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 1: I gave you the best paint job that you're like,
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: Oh no, you looked me up with that Painton night
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 1: job before we were real friends, I know. Yeah, and
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 1: then I trained in It was like this jump sex
• 1:10:01
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• 1:10:23
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• 1:10:26
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• 1:10:29
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• 1:10:33
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• 1:10:41
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• 1:10:48
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• 1:10:52
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• 1:10:55
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• 1:10:58
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