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Monday Mini: Behind the Curtains · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and welcome to Stephane.
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Speaker 1: Never told your protection to I Heart Radio. Okay, Annie,
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Speaker 1: we are doing something a little different for today's Monday Mini,
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Speaker 1: and I think it's appropriate because it is the new year,
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Speaker 1: and there are so many things that have happened in
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Speaker 1: our lives the last two years, our whole lifetime, and
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Speaker 1: a lot of changes that have happened. So you and
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Speaker 1: I are kind of just having a really open, candid,
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Speaker 1: kind of tearful, go ahead and put that out there
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Speaker 1: conversation about we're pretty much evaluating ourselves in this profession, right,
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Speaker 1: This is kind of the conversation we're having. So I
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Speaker 1: have a question and it has it's kind of do
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Speaker 1: an the leap because I found this fascinating. And if
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Speaker 1: just like that, the new Sex in the City series
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Speaker 1: like continuation, you should go listen to it because I
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Speaker 1: am One of the things that we were very amused
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Speaker 1: by was that Carrie's new job or career path is
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Speaker 1: now podcasting, right, and we both had a moment of
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Speaker 1: like what are we relevant or horovery out of out
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Speaker 1: of think like which one is it? And one of
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Speaker 1: the first critiques we have, like, why are they treating
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Speaker 1: this like it's a radio show? Ye, the way that
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Speaker 1: they were just having like it looks I don't know,
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Speaker 1: what did you think it did look like a radio show?
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Speaker 1: And I'm a terrible person who don't remember the third
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Speaker 1: because it's Carrie and Shane. The third person is an
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Speaker 1: actual person. I forgot his character name, yes, but he
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Speaker 1: to me feels like like a disc jockey, like the radio,
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Speaker 1: like whoa whoa of sound effect. Maybe he's supposed to
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Speaker 1: be Joe Rogan, that kind of what I'm getting. But
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Speaker 1: so I guess those kind of podcasts exist, but they're
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Speaker 1: so far away from what we do and what and
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Speaker 1: this is my personal taste what I would prefer to
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Speaker 1: listen to, and that's just not what I see very often.
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Speaker 1: And you know, to me, like, yeah, we come from
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Speaker 1: our closets to do this and we have been doing
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Speaker 1: it for years, so I it looks very different than
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Speaker 1: what I would associate how podcasting looks and sounds. Um,
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Speaker 1: but yeah, I get I definitely radio show vibe, but
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Speaker 1: I felt right the awkward like interview questions that just
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Speaker 1: sit and you I'm guessing like we are very heavily edited,
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Speaker 1: as we've spoken about previously, and if you've ever talked
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Speaker 1: to me in person, you know that I am awkward
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Speaker 1: as hell and I don't know what is happening. I'm
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Speaker 1: going to blame it on the pandemic and my aging.
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Speaker 1: I'm losing words left and right to the point that
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Speaker 1: I have to describe it to the point that any
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Speaker 1: will guess it like you've gotten really good at sam
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Speaker 1: speak as we say, because it's it's flying out of
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Speaker 1: my head all the time, to the point that I'm like,
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Speaker 1: this is my job. I'm concerned, and yeah, that's kind
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Speaker 1: of the thing is this is an interesting job. And
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Speaker 1: in comparison to when I used to do social work
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Speaker 1: UM and being a case worker, working on the grounds,
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Speaker 1: working one on one, doing case management, doing problem solving,
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Speaker 1: like I went to school for that, I was trained
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Speaker 1: for that. I came into a position I stepped away
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Speaker 1: because it got to triggering and traumatizing, and then came
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Speaker 1: back to it and loving working with the teens and
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Speaker 1: trying to have solutions. And of course there's a lot
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Speaker 1: about the system that I didn't like, but I knew
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Speaker 1: I was good at it. I knew was something that
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Speaker 1: I was ready for and I had his personal experiences
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Speaker 1: for it. So as you and I are talking, I
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Speaker 1: woke up yesterday and I do this back and forth,
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Speaker 1: through this back and forth, and people who follow my
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Speaker 1: Twitter probably think I'm the world's saddest sac human being,
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Speaker 1: and you're not too far off, because I am really
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Speaker 1: just racked with anxiety and self doubt. And when it
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Speaker 1: comes to this profession, I feel like it's so in
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Speaker 1: front of me that that all of my mistakes are
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Speaker 1: so right there that it's almost breathtaking in a in
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Speaker 1: a like, I just I just want to roll up
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Speaker 1: in a ball and step away, like it is alarmingly
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Speaker 1: shocking to me. How um, I have not only increased
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Speaker 1: in my criticisms of myself, but I feel like I
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Speaker 1: am so unqualified for this position. And at the beginning
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Speaker 1: I was so excited making jokes about how it's never
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Speaker 1: leaving and oh yeah, I get to be a part
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Speaker 1: of something different and changing. And now I'm here, going
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Speaker 1: why am I? Why am I here? And you have
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Speaker 1: been in this industry for a long time, this is
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Speaker 1: your industry, this is what you know, correct other than
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Speaker 1: teaching outside of the US, fleeing from government. Yes, yes,
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Speaker 1: I mean I didn't go to school for it, but
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Speaker 1: I have been doing I've been within this industry twelve
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Speaker 1: years now, hosting for I think three or four years now, right,
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Speaker 1: So this is your thing. This is you have been
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Speaker 1: at the beginnings, like when you were there before it
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Speaker 1: was popular, you were there before it was cool. You're
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Speaker 1: one of those in Congratulations and you were talking about
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Speaker 1: the fact that you also have these same doubts to
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Speaker 1: the point that anxiety it's almost anxiety inducing that you
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Speaker 1: panick before we record, right, Yes, um so even years
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Speaker 1: into this, and I know we actually discussed this recently
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Speaker 1: on an episode. Samantha and I handle stress very differently.
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Speaker 1: But one of my things is I still I think
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Speaker 1: when I first started hosting Savor, my co host Lawrence,
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Speaker 1: she made a joke and she was like, it looks
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Speaker 1: like you're riding a plane in turbulence, because I was
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Speaker 1: just gripping my chair so hard and I was so tense,
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Speaker 1: and like, going back and listening to those old episodes,
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Speaker 1: I'm like, thank you all for sticking around. It's clear
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Speaker 1: I was like one second away from panicking and clearly
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Speaker 1: also trying to get people to like me. In a
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Speaker 1: way that people can tell that you're trying to get
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Speaker 1: you know, like you. Um, but no, I do still
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Speaker 1: feel it. I still get nervous. I'll still like lie
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Speaker 1: awake at night and question every what if I didn't
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Speaker 1: say this, or what if I am passing along something
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Speaker 1: toxic and I don't know it? Like, I'll just get
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Speaker 1: so in my head that it prevents me from doing
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Speaker 1: the best that I can be, I think because I'm
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Speaker 1: just so like, yeah, anxious, anxious and full of self
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Speaker 1: doubts still right now, I guess for podcasters it's awards seasons,
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Speaker 1: listical season, um, so many things where we are being
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Speaker 1: compared to different people. And I've already talked about, you know,
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Speaker 1: looking stupidly at the reviews, but hey, I actually did.
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Speaker 1: Let's see one where one of our listeners and I
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Speaker 1: love you, uh defended me and thank you so much.
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Speaker 1: You have no idea to the person who did this
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Speaker 1: made me smile so big because I was like, oh,
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Speaker 1: someone truly than back and it was very good to
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Speaker 1: see and kind of see. But it is it. It's
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Speaker 1: a whole new world of being in public as this is.
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Speaker 1: And and on top of that, um, I have the
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Speaker 1: anxiety of if my family or if people I know
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Speaker 1: from past, here's this, He's gonna drive a bigger wedge
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Speaker 1: between us and I know the us um and fearing
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Speaker 1: that not not feeling the same. They were so proud
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Speaker 1: of me when they knew I was working to help children,
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Speaker 1: and they feel like, this is such a slap in
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Speaker 1: the face and this is not helping as much. They're
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Speaker 1: not necessarily shaving me for it, but they're definitely not
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Speaker 1: telling people what I'm doing as they used to. So
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Speaker 1: that on top of the fact that we are in
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Speaker 1: a field and our niche subject is so scrutinized that
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Speaker 1: I get to the point that I had come in
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Speaker 1: I was like, kay, I can do social media. Yeah no,
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Speaker 1: I'm done. I'm like, I am so scared of doing
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Speaker 1: saying the wrong things, taking uh someone's statement and uh
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Speaker 1: taking away someone's voice or missed misstepping into this because
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Speaker 1: it's not very forgiving. I will say that, like, unless
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Speaker 1: they truly listen, oftentimes they get a small snippet, it's
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Speaker 1: not forgiving and you just get raged on the coals.
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Speaker 1: And don't get me wrong, Accountability is necessary, and I'm
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Speaker 1: all all about accountay, But because of that, the fear
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Speaker 1: that I'm going to say something wrong, do something wrong, uh,
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Speaker 1: give information wrong, pronounced this wrong. There's so many anxieties
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Speaker 1: that me as a person who is super awkward, who
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Speaker 1: has an absolute fear orphan mentality is what I used
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Speaker 1: to call it, which is kind of degrading that the
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Speaker 1: fear of rejection and not being wanted is my primary
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Speaker 1: personality trait. Like I hate to be letting that focused
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Speaker 1: on it, but literally being in an orphanage or puts
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Speaker 1: me in that realm and so me hoping to have
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Speaker 1: changed and so excited by these opportunities. And please no,
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Speaker 1: I'm not complaining. I'm not complaining, and I know that
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Speaker 1: I am. I it should be grateful, and I am
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Speaker 1: grateful for being in this place. But I had never
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Speaker 1: recognized the true like I have never had to be
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Speaker 1: so as often as I am a self critical, the
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Speaker 1: true weight of being somewhat vulnerable in public like this
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Speaker 1: is such an overwhelming like to the point, like I
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Speaker 1: just said, I think you had five new host I
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Speaker 1: know you've done, You've We've been working so hard and
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Speaker 1: it was such a long journey and you and I
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Speaker 1: get alone so well, to the point that our coworkers
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Speaker 1: are laugh about the fact that we come in together
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Speaker 1: like we are come as a pair now, and I'm like, yes,
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Speaker 1: we do. I will never be without any thank you
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Speaker 1: for asking, but like that that that we are truly friends,
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Speaker 1: we are truly there for each other, but that this
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Speaker 1: level like I don't know, I don't think I'm good
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Speaker 1: at this, and please no, this is not me ex
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Speaker 1: fishing for compliments, but just having these moments waking up
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Speaker 1: going I, I'm not good at this. Why the did
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Speaker 1: I think I could be good at this? Yeah? And uh,
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Speaker 1: I'm most of you listeners, Yeah you're You're fantastic and
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Speaker 1: awesome and this is not Again, I always feel like
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Speaker 1: we're not when we make these like conversations. When we
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Speaker 1: have these conversations, it's not really we're not trying to
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Speaker 1: single out or have like, you know, conversation with you
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Speaker 1: through this podcast in that way. But yeah, I totally
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Speaker 1: hear you. And I remember when I was first approached
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Speaker 1: to be on this show. It took me like months
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Speaker 1: months of them trying to convince me to do it
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Speaker 1: because I was just like, I'm not going to be
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Speaker 1: good at it. I'm not going to be good at
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Speaker 1: it and and then having that doubt like every day,
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Speaker 1: and it is hard. We've discussed so many of these
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Speaker 1: issues before. What makes it complicated of being vulnerable in
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Speaker 1: that open space and having people comment on it, which is,
11:49
Speaker 1: you know, fine, A lot of times those comments are great,
11:51
Speaker 1: but it's so strange to me, Like, I'll get so
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Speaker 1: scared about sharing something that I think shouldn't be scary
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Speaker 1: at all, but but it's just so important to mean,
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Speaker 1: it's so personal to me, and to have someone come
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Speaker 1: in and be like, no, right, that's worthless. There has
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Speaker 1: no value, And that's one of my big That's one
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Speaker 1: of the things that I struggle with. And it's interesting
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Speaker 1: to me because I I've made comments about this and
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Speaker 1: I've sort of joked about this, but I always feel
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Speaker 1: like I'm one annoyance away from people being like, oh,
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Speaker 1: she's not worth being around. And so to do that
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Speaker 1: in a public space of when you're already pretty insecure
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Speaker 1: about that stuff, it is hard. And then there's so
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Speaker 1: many things and this is sort of technical, um, but
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Speaker 1: there's so many things that as someone who's worked here
12:42
Speaker 1: for a while you can take for granted. So, for instance,
12:46
Speaker 1: some of you have written in about this and asked me, like,
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Speaker 1: why is it you do, um, you introduce Christina in
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Speaker 1: this way versus how you introduced another podcast or or
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Speaker 1: something like that. And it's literally because I'm usually just
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Speaker 1: copying what the person did before me, right, and I'm not.
13:05
Speaker 1: I've never been I was there right when Savor started,
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Speaker 1: but I was new, so I was taking my tips
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Speaker 1: from Lauren that was over there. So I've never been
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Speaker 1: the one that like started something totally from scratch. And
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Speaker 1: so it's kind of like then, you were trying to
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Speaker 1: fit yourself into how you think this works, and you
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Speaker 1: might be comparing yourself to other hosts or how they
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Speaker 1: did it, and maybe that's just not how you do it,
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Speaker 1: and so you constantly feel like a sense of failure,
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Speaker 1: which is what we talked about in our very first
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Speaker 1: episode together. And here we are, right, I mean and
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Speaker 1: and honestly we're coming background and we're wanting to give
13:47
Speaker 1: you a peek behind the curtains a because people think
13:50
Speaker 1: we do someone have it together, um, because we are
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Speaker 1: heavily edited. Christina is a magic maker, Andrew was a
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Speaker 1: magic maker. Andrew said me, you did send me a
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Speaker 1: short clip recently of me just loving and carsoning the
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Speaker 1: entire time. So I do love those alments too, but
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Speaker 1: it is as something like to see that we're having
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Speaker 1: moments of trying to figure it out ourselves. I'm coming
14:12
Speaker 1: into a space that I know nothing about, so I
14:14
Speaker 1: have tons of questions. The one thing you know about me,
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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna hold back when it when I'm confused,
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Speaker 1: like I need to know so I can unravel this.
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Speaker 1: But what does that look like? And even to the
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Speaker 1: fact that I'm having to analyze when people are critiquing
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Speaker 1: the way I speak my voice, I'm like, honestly, it's
14:33
Speaker 1: because I spoke Korean till I was eight years old,
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Speaker 1: miscommunicated with my family because they could not speak Korean.
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Speaker 1: I then had an a North Georgia Mountain accent on
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Speaker 1: top of my Korean accent, which helped develop my pronunciation inabilities.
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Speaker 1: Especially if you listen to someone who was speace fluent
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Speaker 1: Korean come in and speak English, you know there's some
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Speaker 1: differences in the way things are pronounced. That's the act
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Speaker 1: scent when people talk, that's an accent. That's actually part
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Speaker 1: of the way I speak. But I did not realize
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Speaker 1: it until I was on a podcast and I was like,
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Speaker 1: why do I sound like that? Oh, And when, of
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Speaker 1: course my friends like you and people that I talked
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Speaker 1: to like you don't have an accent, I'm like, no,
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Speaker 1: that it's there. It just a part of my cadence
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Speaker 1: because it is a part of the accent and the
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Speaker 1: way I learned to speak and things develop, all of
15:29
Speaker 1: these different things, and it's it is, It's partially there.
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Speaker 1: And I find that interesting that I'm even going that
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Speaker 1: far to again analyze it, for of course I'm very
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Speaker 1: analytical of everything anyway, of these things because I'm being criticized,
15:43
Speaker 1: because I'm being told this is and because I hear
15:45
Speaker 1: it too, I hear it too. I'm like, oh my god,
15:48
Speaker 1: that's awful. I hate it. I hate doing our Q ways,
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Speaker 1: which is when we listen to ourselves by the way.
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Speaker 1: I hate it. This is been a nightmare for that
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Speaker 1: trying to figure that out. But I think one of
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Speaker 1: the biggest things that I am trying to figure out
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Speaker 1: for myself as a woman of a color, a person
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Speaker 1: of color in the space is I have done so
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Speaker 1: well at being invisible and trying to blend in into
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Speaker 1: a white space, into the space that was not seemingly
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Speaker 1: developed for me and then trying to be there and
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Speaker 1: if I don't do it to the best of my abilities,
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Speaker 1: I am shaming whatever whoever would claim me in that group.
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Speaker 1: Does that make sense? Which is rare for me in general,
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Speaker 1: and being ostracized and so therefore wanting to be small,
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Speaker 1: wanting to disappear, and then thinking, oh, I think I
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Speaker 1: do have something to say, and then feeling like I
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Speaker 1: didn't say it appropriately, right, Yeah, I mean, it's it's
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Speaker 1: one of those things that frustrates me a lot about
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Speaker 1: being any marginalized person. It's it feels like there's more responsibility,
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Speaker 1: and then every intersection there in there's more responsibility two
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Speaker 1: represent and of course you can never represent an entire
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Speaker 1: race or in time gener all that stuff, but you
17:10
Speaker 1: feel that responsibility of like I've got to do it
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Speaker 1: well and do it right, and and so many of
17:15
Speaker 1: these things that we're talking about. It's we have to
17:20
Speaker 1: have these conversations, and we want to have these conversations,
17:23
Speaker 1: but that kind of like fear and self doubt, which
17:25
Speaker 1: can come from so many different avenues, and that fear
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Speaker 1: of like being wrong, can hold you back and so
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Speaker 1: you don't. It becomes like a cyclical situation. Where it's like, well,
17:39
Speaker 1: I can't be perfect, so I might as well not
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Speaker 1: say anything at all, which is not true, but that
17:44
Speaker 1: it gets in you of like, well, I'm not doing
17:47
Speaker 1: this well, or I'm not doing this right, or what
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Speaker 1: if I misspoke or all of this, and it can
17:54
Speaker 1: be pretty pretty exhausting. Oh I'm tired. I think you're
18:00
Speaker 1: not both tired. Maybe it's the end of the year
18:02
Speaker 1: trying to push and cram everything together so we can
18:05
Speaker 1: get enough content out there that we don't feel like
18:09
Speaker 1: we're slacking, which is not true. I do want to
18:26
Speaker 1: in this wine session of mine UM with this that
18:30
Speaker 1: I do really appreciate what you have done, and I
18:33
Speaker 1: think you really laid out great foundation things that I
18:37
Speaker 1: cannot keep up with your standards. Uh, I'm just playing,
18:42
Speaker 1: not because you're putting it on me, more so that
18:44
Speaker 1: I'm like, Okay, we are very different people when it
18:47
Speaker 1: comes to UH working styles. You're on top of it
18:51
Speaker 1: and I am ten days late UM typically. But I
18:54
Speaker 1: really do appreciate that you have really done UM so
18:57
Speaker 1: much for this podcast and you've had to rebrand it.
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Speaker 1: You've had to rebrand it for yourself because yeah, we
19:03
Speaker 1: went through a whole influx of different hosts. We know this,
19:07
Speaker 1: and we know that they are those hosts are amazing
19:11
Speaker 1: and it's hard to like live up to. It's really
19:14
Speaker 1: hard to live up to. But you've done a phenomenal
19:16
Speaker 1: job in keeping it going, keeping it relevant, UM, teaching
19:20
Speaker 1: me the ways in in podcasting, because like I said,
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Speaker 1: I have no idea what the hell I'm doing, still
19:26
Speaker 1: trying to figure this out. And I really do appreciate that.
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Speaker 1: I love our friendship, and I really you are probably
19:34
Speaker 1: one of my closest friends. I mean, for sure, in
19:36
Speaker 1: the pandemic, you were the only other person I saw UM,
19:41
Speaker 1: and it was genuinely loving. I loved UM being able
19:44
Speaker 1: to share what you love because for me, I don't
19:47
Speaker 1: have those connections and you do. And again we've talked
19:50
Speaker 1: about the differences between you and I and how we
19:52
Speaker 1: gravitate and really uh clean to things, and I am
19:57
Speaker 1: less likely to be attached to things, and You're more
20:00
Speaker 1: likely to be attached to things and passions. And it's
20:03
Speaker 1: really beautiful to watch you love something. It is contagious,
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Speaker 1: It is a delight, and it does make you feel
20:10
Speaker 1: a part of a community just to be able to
20:12
Speaker 1: witness it. So all of that says I love you.
20:16
Speaker 1: I really appreciate everything you've done. And even though I'm
20:20
Speaker 1: like I want to quit, I know because you are
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Speaker 1: the partner in this that I I'm not failing because
20:32
Speaker 1: you're you're part of this and you don't fail. So
20:35
Speaker 1: I just want to say I love you and I
20:37
Speaker 1: thank you for that. And I love our listeners who
20:40
Speaker 1: have are die hard and supportive, and I know you are.
20:43
Speaker 1: Please don't think I'm just negative Nelly all the time.
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Speaker 1: It's just trying to really get a grasp in this
20:51
Speaker 1: world in general. And yeah, the listener base as one
20:55
Speaker 1: of the strongest communities and really uplifting communities that I've
20:59
Speaker 1: been a part of. So I really appreciate you all
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Speaker 1: as well. Yeah, yeah, Like you really have no idea
21:04
Speaker 1: how much it means. When it's even if it's just
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Speaker 1: a note like hey, I really like that episode, it's
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Speaker 1: like it does yes, yes, And it's weird because podcasts
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Speaker 1: can be pretty isolating, so it's like you're doing this
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Speaker 1: and then you don't know what happens when it gets
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Speaker 1: out there, and you're always like, what if it's terrible?
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Speaker 1: So even just like a small note like that is
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Speaker 1: so nice. I love you too, Smith that I'm so
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Speaker 1: glad you're here. I think you bring such a great
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Speaker 1: perspective and a treasure our friendship so much. I feel
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Speaker 1: like I talk about you all the time. I talked
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Speaker 1: about you all the time to the point people like
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Speaker 1: does she live with you? People have thought that what's
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Speaker 1: going on here? Never you mind? Never you mind, and yeah,
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Speaker 1: always here to provide support. And I think there is
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Speaker 1: something to be said. I think even though we're talking
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Speaker 1: specifically about a very niche industry, um, apparently not that's true.
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Speaker 1: I do think a lot of people can relate to
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Speaker 1: this to just like not feeling like you're doing good
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Speaker 1: at your job or well at your job. And I
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Speaker 1: also I really think that there's something to be said
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Speaker 1: for systems that we come into that maybe aren't working
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Speaker 1: for you. Like I thought about this other day when
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Speaker 1: someone was just like I just worked so much better
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Speaker 1: at night. But the way we're set up like it's
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Speaker 1: not that's not gonna help you, and then you're gonna
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Speaker 1: feel like, well, I'm failing, and I'm failing and I'm failing.
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Speaker 1: So I'm always a big proponent of kind of thinking, well,
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Speaker 1: it doesn't have to be done this way. This is
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Speaker 1: not working for me. So yeah, we wanted to start
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Speaker 1: the new year because we're just not in a place
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Speaker 1: of like it's like resolutions, you know what, look behind
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Speaker 1: the cartons, see the reality. Yeah, yeah, we wanted to,
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Speaker 1: you know, just show you if you're struggling, if you're tired,
22:50
Speaker 1: all of those things, we're right there with you. We are,
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Speaker 1: we are, and we are very very very very thankful
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