Latest / The Vault: The Epstein Files / Judge Engelmayer Denies Ghislaine Maxwell's Attempt To Overturn Her Conviction (Part 5) (9/28/26)
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- 0:00Speaker 1: What's up everyone and welcome to another episode of the
- 0:03Speaker 1: Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to pick up
- 0:06Speaker 1: where we left off with Judge Engelmeyer and his order
- 0:10Speaker 1: denying Ghislaine Maxwell's attempt to get her conviction overturned. 3.
- 0:14Speaker 1: Claim 3. Constructive Amendment of the S2 Indictment Maxwell's petition
- 0:20Speaker 1: next briefly claims that Count 3 and 4 of the
- 0:23Speaker 1: S2 Indictment were constructively amended in violation of the Fifth
- 0:27Speaker 1: Amendment's Grand Jury Clause. with respect to the victim referred
- 0:30Speaker 1: to as Jane. That claim reiterates an argument which Judge
- 0:34Speaker 1: Nathan and the Second Circuit rejected, and Maxwell's petition does
- 0:38Speaker 1: not cite any new information in support of it. Relevant
- 0:42Speaker 1: Background Count three of the S-2 indictment charged Maxwell with
- 0:45Speaker 1: conspiring with Epstein to transport minors with the intent to
- 0:49Speaker 1: engage in criminal sexual activity in violation of U.S. Code 18,
- 0:52Speaker 1: Section 371, S-2 Indictment 16-19. Count 4 charged Maxwell under U.S.
- 0:59Speaker 1: Code 18 Section 2423A and 2 with the substantive offense
- 1:05Speaker 1: of transporting a minor with intent to engage in criminal
- 1:09Speaker 1: sex acts with Epstein in violation of New York Penal
- 1:12Speaker 1: Law Section 130.55. At trial, the government presented substantial evidence
- 1:17Speaker 1: that Maxwell had transported Jane to New York and aided
- 1:21Speaker 1: and abetted Epstein in doing so. with the intent that
- 1:24Speaker 1: Jane engage in sex acts with Epstein at his Manhattan townhouse. Jane,
- 1:29Speaker 1: for example, testified that at age 14, she began traveling
- 1:32Speaker 1: with Maxwell and Epstein to New York, usually on Epstein's
- 1:36Speaker 1: private jet. Between ages 14 and 16, she traveled with
- 1:40Speaker 1: him approximately 10 times, including from Palm Beach to New
- 1:43Speaker 1: York and also Santa Fe, New Mexico. Jane also testified
- 1:48Speaker 1: that she had repeatedly been sexually abused by Epstein in
- 1:51Speaker 1: the massage room of his Manhattan townhouse, including with Maxwell present.
- 1:56Speaker 1: She also testified that she traveled with Epstein and Maxwell
- 1:59Speaker 1: to Epstein's New Mexico ranch at approximately age 15 or 16,
- 2:03Speaker 1: where she was abused by Epstein. Jane testified that Maxwell
- 2:08Speaker 1: helped arrange for her travel from her home in Palm
- 2:10Speaker 1: Beach to join Maxwell and Epstein. At the conclusion of
- 2:14Speaker 1: the trial, Judge Nathan instructed the jury that count four
- 2:18Speaker 1: alleged that Maxwell had knowingly transported Jane with the intent
- 2:21Speaker 1: that Jane and engage in sexual activity for which any
- 2:24Speaker 1: person can be charged with a criminal offense in violation
- 2:28Speaker 1: of New York law. Judge Nathan charged the jury on
- 2:32Speaker 1: one predicate, New York offense, New York Penal Law Section 130.55,
- 2:37Speaker 1: thus keying Count 4 to travel to New York. As
- 2:40Speaker 1: to Count 3, Judge Nathan referred back to her instructions
- 2:44Speaker 1: on Count 4. She also stated that with respect to
- 2:47Speaker 1: the overt acts under Count 3, the indictment alleged that,
- 2:50Speaker 1: as to Jane... Between approximately 94 and 97, when Jane
- 2:55Speaker 1: was under the age of 17, Maxwell participated in multiple
- 2:59Speaker 1: group sexual encounters with Epstein and Jane in New York
- 3:02Speaker 1: and Florida, and that in approximately 1996, Jane had been
- 3:06Speaker 1: enticed to travel from Florida to New York for sexual
- 3:10Speaker 1: abuse at Epstein's New York home, in violation of New
- 3:13Speaker 1: York Penal Law Section 130.55. In summation, government counsel argued
- 3:21Speaker 1: in support of conviction on count four that the evidence
- 3:24Speaker 1: showed that Maxwell had knowingly transported Jane to New York,
- 3:28Speaker 1: intending for Jane to engage in sexual activity for which
- 3:31Speaker 1: any person can be charged with a criminal offense under
- 3:35Speaker 1: New York law. Government counsel argued when Epstein flew Jane
- 3:39Speaker 1: to New York and Maxwell aided and abetted him, that's
- 3:43Speaker 1: enough to convict Maxwell on count four. And as to
- 3:46Speaker 1: venue for count four, counsel stated, You heard about Jane's
- 3:49Speaker 1: trips to Manhattan, which is in the Southern District of
- 3:52Speaker 1: New York. That's more than enough for venue. During deliberations,
- 3:56Speaker 1: the jury sent the following note. Under count four, the
- 3:59Speaker 1: defendant aided in the transportation of Jane's return flight, but
- 4:03Speaker 1: not the flight to New Mexico, where if the intent
- 4:06Speaker 1: was for Jane to engage in sexual activity, can she
- 4:09Speaker 1: be found guilty under the second element? Terming the note
- 4:13Speaker 1: difficult to parse factually and legally, Judge Nathan referred the
- 4:16Speaker 1: jury back to her instructions. regarding the second element of
- 4:19Speaker 1: count four. She also noted that Maxwell's counsel had not
- 4:24Speaker 1: sought to exclude Jane's testimony regarding her travel to and from,
- 4:27Speaker 1: or her abuse in, New Mexico, or limiting instruction with
- 4:31Speaker 1: respect to that testimony. Maxwell's counsel sought reconsideration as to
- 4:36Speaker 1: that response, suggesting a possible constructive amendment or a prejudicial variance.
- 4:41Speaker 1: Judge Nathan denied that request. After the jury's verdict, Maxwell
- 4:45Speaker 1: moved to vacate her conviction under Counts 1, 3, and 4,
- 4:49Speaker 1: pursuant to Rule 33. She argued that the jury might
- 4:53Speaker 1: have convicted her of intending for Jane to engage in
- 4:56Speaker 1: illegal sex acts in New Mexico rather than New York,
- 4:59Speaker 1: which would present a constructive amendment to the S-2 indictment,
- 5:04Speaker 1: or alternatively, a prejudicial variance from it. Judge Nathan denied
- 5:08Speaker 1: the motion. She noted inter alia that the majority of
- 5:12Speaker 1: Jane's testimony discussing travel had pertained to trips to New
- 5:15Speaker 1: York and her sexual abuse there, and that Jane had
- 5:18Speaker 1: testified about specific details of Epstein's Manhattan townhouse and the
- 5:22Speaker 1: sexual acts that occurred in it. And she noted that
- 5:26Speaker 1: Jane had testified that Maxwell had assisted in making such
- 5:29Speaker 1: travel arrangements, and that corroborating evidence, concluding flight records to
- 5:33Speaker 1: New York and photos of Epstein's New York residence, matching
- 5:37Speaker 1: Jane's description. Maxwell appealed, claiming that Jane's testimony concerning the
- 5:42Speaker 1: sexual abuse she experienced in New Mexico, had given the
- 5:45Speaker 1: jury a factual basis to convict her other than on
- 5:48Speaker 1: the theory alleged in the S2 indictment. The Second Circuit,
- 5:52Speaker 1: in affirming Maxwell's convictions, rejected that argument. It held that
- 5:56Speaker 1: Judge Nathan's response to the jury's note had not resulted
- 6:00Speaker 1: in a constructive amendment of or a prejudicial variance from
- 6:04Speaker 1: the indictment's allegations. As to the constructive amendment, the Circuit
- 6:08Speaker 1: agreed with Judge Nathan that the jury instructions, the evidence
- 6:12Speaker 1: presented at trial, and the government summation captured the core
- 6:15Speaker 1: of criminality. Although the jury note was ambiguous in one sense,
- 6:20Speaker 1: it was clear that it referred to the second element
- 6:22Speaker 1: of count four of the indictment. And Judge Nathan thus
- 6:27Speaker 1: had correctly directed the jury that the instruction, which in
- 6:30Speaker 1: turn accurately instructed the court count four, had been predicated
- 6:34Speaker 1: on finding a violation of New York law. The circuit
- 6:37Speaker 1: reasoned that the jury had convicted Maxwell of conduct that
- 6:40Speaker 1: was subject of the grand jury's indictment. The circuit also
- 6:44Speaker 1: rejected Maxwell's claim of a prejudicial variance. For reasons similar
- 6:48Speaker 1: to those underlying its rejection of the constructive amendment claim,
- 6:52Speaker 1: the circuit held that the trial evidence did not prove
- 6:55Speaker 1: facts materially different from the allegations in the indictment. The
- 7:00Speaker 1: evidence had shown that Maxwell transported Jane to New York
- 7:03Speaker 1: for sexual abuse and conspired to do the same. That
- 7:06Speaker 1: evidence was also admitted reflecting sexual abuse of Jane in
- 7:10Speaker 1: New Mexico was of no moment. Nor could Maxwell demonstrate
- 7:16Speaker 1: any substantial prejudice because she received, over three weeks before trial,
- 7:20Speaker 1: notes of an interview with Jane recording the abuse suffered
- 7:24Speaker 1: in New Mexico. Assessment. Maxwell's claim here is identical to
- 7:28Speaker 1: that which Judge Nathan and the Second Circuit rejected. Maxwell
- 7:33Speaker 1: does not offer any basis on which to disturb those rulings.
- 7:37Speaker 1: This claim is foreclosed by the Mandate Rule and meritless
- 7:40Speaker 1: for the reasons stated by Judge Nathan and the Circuit. b.
- 7:44Speaker 1: Claims procedurally defaulted by Maxwell's failure to raise them on
- 7:48Speaker 1: direct appeal. Maxwell's petition contains six additional claims that she
- 7:53Speaker 1: could have raised on direct appeal but did not. It
- 7:56Speaker 1: alleges that 1. Victim's lawyers improperly acted as de facto prosecutors. 2.
- 8:01Speaker 1: She was selectively prosecuted. 3. Inaccurate financial evidence presented at
- 8:06Speaker 1: trial falsely created the impression that she had profited from
- 8:09Speaker 1: her conspiracy with Epstein. 4. The 25-year gap between the
- 8:13Speaker 1: conduct underlying her crimes and her indictment gave rise to
- 8:17Speaker 1: a violation of due process. Five, Judge Nathan erred in
- 8:21Speaker 1: imposing a slightly above guideline sentence. And six, Maxwell and
- 8:25Speaker 1: Epstein's black contact book should have been excluded at trial.
- 8:29Speaker 1: These claims are procedurally barred because Maxwell did not raise
- 8:33Speaker 1: them in her direct appeal. And Maxwell does not show
- 8:36Speaker 1: cause for her failure to do so or a possibility,
- 8:39Speaker 1: much less a reasonable probability, that these claims had they
- 8:43Speaker 1: been brought, would have yielded different outcomes. On the contrary,
- 8:47Speaker 1: these claims are blatantly meritless. 1. Claim 4. Impermissible conduct
- 8:53Speaker 1: by victims' lawyers. Maxwell claims that the government inappropriately delegated
- 8:58Speaker 1: investigative and prosecutorial functions to attorneys for victims, whose civil
- 9:03Speaker 1: claims gave them financial interest in her conviction. She claims
- 9:07Speaker 1: that new reporting shows that these lawyers manipulated journalists to
- 9:11Speaker 1: bring about the USAO's SDNY investigation. She argues that because
- 9:16Speaker 1: these attorneys ostensibly acted as de facto prosecutors, their knowledge
- 9:20Speaker 1: should be imputed to the prosecution, such that the government
- 9:24Speaker 1: violated Brady to the extent that it did not disclose
- 9:27Speaker 1: the information they possessed. Relevant Background On June 25, 2021,
- 9:32Speaker 1: in denying a motion by Maxwell to suppress evidence, Judge
- 9:36Speaker 1: Nathan addressed the circumstances under which the USAO SDNY, opened
- 9:41Speaker 1: the investigation that led to this prosecution. She found as follows.
- 9:46Speaker 1: In late 2015, Virginia Roberts, a victim of Maxwell and Epstein's,
- 9:51Speaker 1: who did not testify at trial, sued Maxwell for defamation,
- 9:55Speaker 1: alleging that Maxwell had defamed her by accusing her of
- 9:57Speaker 1: lying about Maxwell and Epstein's sexual abuse of her. The
- 10:01Speaker 1: boy Schiller Flexner, law firm represented Roberts. In February 2016,
- 10:06Speaker 1: at BSF's request, three lawyers from the firm met with
- 10:10Speaker 1: an SDNY assistant U.S. attorney to provide information concerning potential
- 10:14Speaker 1: criminal conduct. The AUSA's notes reflect that the meeting primarily
- 10:19Speaker 1: focused on Epstein, but also identified Maxwell as Epstein's head
- 10:23Speaker 1: recruiter of underage girls. The BSF attorney sent multiple follow-ups
- 10:29Speaker 1: to the AUSA in the weeks after the meeting. The
- 10:32Speaker 1: USAOSDNY did not open a criminal investigation at that time.
- 10:38Speaker 1: Several years later, on November 30, 2018, USAOSDNY opened an
- 10:43Speaker 1: investigation into Epstein prompted by a series of of Miami
- 10:47Speaker 1: Herald articles about Epstein and the 2007 NPA he had
- 10:51Speaker 1: entered into with USAO SDFL. That day, the AUSA who
- 10:56Speaker 1: had attended the February 2016 meeting with the BSF attorneys
- 11:01Speaker 1: forwarded to her colleagues assigned to the new investigation the
- 11:04Speaker 1: emails she had earlier received from those BSF attorneys. There's
- 11:08Speaker 1: no indication that the AUSA was involved in the decision
- 11:12Speaker 1: to open the 2018 investigation into Epstein. About two months later,
- 11:17Speaker 1: the government served a grand jury subpoena on BSF, seeking
- 11:20Speaker 1: to obtain documents bearing on its investigation into Epstein. After
- 11:26Speaker 1: BSF informed the government that many such documents fell under
- 11:30Speaker 1: protective order entered in Roberts' civil case, the government applied
- 11:34Speaker 1: ex parte in that case to modify the order to
- 11:37Speaker 1: allow the production of documents responsive to the subpoena. The
- 11:40Speaker 1: request was granted, and BSF produced its records from the
- 11:44Speaker 1: civil litigation to the government. These included transcripts of Maxwell's
- 11:48Speaker 1: two depositions in that case, in which perjury counts in
- 11:52Speaker 1: the S2 indictment later were based. Alright folks, we're going
- 11:56Speaker 1: to wrap up right there, and in the next episode
- 11:58Speaker 1: dealing with the topic we're going to pick up where
- 12:00Speaker 1: we left off. All the information that goes with this
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