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- 0:00Speaker 1: We are quarter past the hour, and don't forget exciting
- 0:02Speaker 1: Dixon Duke basketball, I should say Dixon Duchess basketball. Both
- 0:05Speaker 1: the Dukes and Duchesses are playing tonight. We had to
- 0:07Speaker 1: make a choice. Well, the Duchesses are into playoff mode,
- 0:10Speaker 1: so we are following the Dixon Duchesses to Freeport for
- 0:13Speaker 1: their game against Rockford Boiling tonight. Good luck to the
- 0:15Speaker 1: Dukes and their game against Gerard. We'll have, of course
- 0:17Speaker 1: reports here at AM fourteen sixteen FM ninety five one,
- 0:20Speaker 1: but we'll be covering the Duchesses in Freeport tonight as
- 0:22Speaker 1: they entered the regional championship game against Rockford Boiling. That
- 0:25Speaker 1: game starts at around six o'clock tonight here at AM
- 0:27Speaker 1: fourteen sixteen FM ninety five one w IXN. As I mentioned,
- 0:31Speaker 1: we are quarter past the hour. This is Thursday. It's
- 0:33Speaker 1: February twenty the year is twenty twenty five, and it's
- 0:35Speaker 1: time for another informational edition of talkline. Here at AM
- 0:38Speaker 1: fourteen sixteen FM ninety five one, w IXN. Good morning,
- 0:41Speaker 1: I'm Steve Marco. Your Mayor's open line numbers are eight
- 0:44Speaker 1: one five two eight eight three three four one and
- 0:46Speaker 1: eight one five sixty two six three zero nine one.
- 0:48Speaker 1: If you haven't city issue, a city concern, a city
- 0:50Speaker 1: question that you would like to post to the City
- 0:52Speaker 1: of Dixon, here's your springboard to city Hall. Here is
- 0:55Speaker 1: our spokesperson, The Honorable Mayor of the City of Dixon
- 0:58Speaker 1: is live with us for another edition of the Mayor
- 1:00Speaker 1: Open Line for February of twenty twenty five. Mayor Glenn
- 1:03Speaker 1: Hughes joins us from the City of Dixon today here
- 1:06Speaker 1: at am fourteen sixteen FM ninety five one. Good morning, mister.
- 1:09Speaker 2: Mayor, Good morning Steve.
- 1:11Speaker 1: This is the first face to face it's last year.
- 1:17Speaker 1: Last month you were by telephone. You were away from
- 1:20Speaker 1: your desk.
- 1:20Speaker 2: Yes, I was, so would you make it sound like
- 1:23Speaker 2: it's been so long.
- 1:27Speaker 1: It seems that way, but it's only been a month.
- 1:30Speaker 1: We did chat with the bear, but we chatted with
- 1:31Speaker 1: it by telephone last month in January, if you remember,
- 1:34Speaker 1: here at am fourteen sixteen FM ninety five one. We've
- 1:37Speaker 1: got lots on the table today and most of it
- 1:39Speaker 1: has to do with the city budget. The City of
- 1:43Speaker 1: Dixon has been working on the budget extra meetings, right
- 1:48Speaker 1: y y. The City Council through the period.
- 1:51Speaker 2: We do some we do special meetings, you know, sometimes
- 1:55Speaker 2: it's before the council meeting, sometimes it's during the week.
- 2:00Speaker 2: But on average this probably for the last three weeks,
- 2:04Speaker 2: we've been probably meeting twice a week on average. We've
- 2:09Speaker 2: got another not this week. We have a city manager
- 2:14Speaker 2: out on other business and one of our council people
- 2:19Speaker 2: is tied up with some other stuff. So next week
- 2:23Speaker 2: we've got meetings on Monday and potentially Tuesday. Maybe we
- 2:32Speaker 2: can wrap things up on Monday or the general we
- 2:36Speaker 2: may have some more things to discuss to pin down.
- 2:41Speaker 2: But quite honestly, the department heads departments have been keeping
- 2:48Speaker 2: their budgets pretty tight. Most of what we're seeing is
- 2:54Speaker 2: regular payroll increases, insurance increases.
- 3:01Speaker 1: Go.
- 3:02Speaker 2: Moving over to the capital side of the budget, we're
- 3:07Speaker 2: we've got things planned out. The city doesn't just decide
- 3:13Speaker 2: it needs a new truck or a new you know,
- 3:17Speaker 2: piece of equipment in a particular year. We actually kind
- 3:21Speaker 2: of look forward as to what those capital expenditures are
- 3:27Speaker 2: going to be. Hopefully we put it. We kind of
- 3:31Speaker 2: estimate at or project out as much as five years,
- 3:37Speaker 2: so even that capital spending is kind of kind of
- 3:42Speaker 2: planned out so we can keep that under control. We
- 3:46Speaker 2: can keep we can keep our equipment in a in
- 3:51Speaker 2: a regular cycle. For those who were listening at the
- 3:57Speaker 2: I think it was I don't think it was the
- 3:59Speaker 2: January media. It might. I think it was the first
- 4:01Speaker 2: meeting in February talking about replacing a roll off container.
- 4:11Speaker 2: That's not a you know, that's not a big piece
- 4:13Speaker 2: of equipment like a dumb truck or anything. But on
- 4:16Speaker 2: the other hand, that I think that went into service
- 4:20Speaker 2: in the nineties, ninety four or something like that. You know,
- 4:24Speaker 2: it's been welded together. I just use that as as
- 4:28Speaker 2: a recent example. You know, we looked beyond. We look
- 4:32Speaker 2: beyond the normal where and tear time we maintain our property. Well,
- 4:39Speaker 2: we get a lot of use out of our vehicles
- 4:42Speaker 2: and our equipment, but we also plan ahead for when
- 4:49Speaker 2: we might be looking at the rotation. People may think
- 4:54Speaker 2: about two years ago, when in twenty three we ended
- 4:58Speaker 2: up picking up I think it was five police vehicles
- 5:01Speaker 2: in that year. That wasn't the intent. You know, we
- 5:05Speaker 2: kind of got pushed into that because of the supply chain. Yes,
- 5:10Speaker 2: But the other side of it is we had planned
- 5:12Speaker 2: for those expenses. We had we had monies in the
- 5:15Speaker 2: capital fund because of that planning that we could absorb
- 5:20Speaker 2: that type of expenditure in a single year. So it's
- 5:27Speaker 2: it's pretty well thought out. At this point. We're keeping
- 5:33Speaker 2: we're holding the line in terms of department expenses. We're
- 5:38Speaker 2: dealing with some things that we don't have any control of,
- 5:42Speaker 2: some things that are contractual, like you know, like salaries,
- 5:46Speaker 2: and you know, so the the expenses have been help
- 5:52Speaker 2: held pretty tight. Occasionally we'll get it one time thing
- 5:58Speaker 2: we got to update it, equipment or something like that.
- 6:02Speaker 2: That kind of makes something look a little skewed, But
- 6:05Speaker 2: that's all. That's all it really is. And I want
- 6:08Speaker 2: to remind the city or the constituents, the taxpayers that
- 6:15Speaker 2: in fact, over the last several years, the tax rate,
- 6:19Speaker 2: I know, your taxes have gone up, but the tax
- 6:22Speaker 2: rate itself from the city has actually gotten down. Yes,
- 6:26Speaker 2: we're at a rate below twenty thirteen. I mean last
- 6:29Speaker 2: year we were gone, you know, and continuing this year.
- 6:34Speaker 2: So but for the last several years that that rate
- 6:38Speaker 2: has maybe not fast enough for the taxpayer, but it
- 6:42Speaker 2: has gotten down.
- 6:45Speaker 1: And obviously there are other factors into that that that
- 6:50Speaker 1: the taxpayer, you know, kind of zeros in on the city. Well,
- 6:55Speaker 1: you know, my taxes went up this year. We're zeroing
- 6:59Speaker 1: in on the city. As the response, that's not the case,
- 7:03Speaker 1: as you just talked about. There are other mitigating factors. Yes,
- 7:07Speaker 1: with this particular situation, it's not the city that's doing this.
- 7:13Speaker 1: It's mitigating factors that you have to take into account
- 7:16Speaker 1: in order to make up.
- 7:17Speaker 2: Yeah, and then the biggest single one, because I think
- 7:21Speaker 2: the county overall has done a pretty good job of
- 7:24Speaker 2: controlling expenses and even looking at their tax rate, they
- 7:28Speaker 2: might have moved up and down a little bit more
- 7:30Speaker 2: than the city has, but kept it in a fairly
- 7:35Speaker 2: tight range in the I would say, in the last
- 7:38Speaker 2: eight to ten years. And you know, I believe the
- 7:43Speaker 2: overall tax rate, despite the fact that assessed values went up,
- 7:51Speaker 2: the overall tax rate actually may have gone down. I
- 7:55Speaker 2: think it went down last year for the county. But
- 7:58Speaker 2: I can't I can't swear that. I know it's been
- 8:00Speaker 2: in a fairly tight range. And contrary to popular belief,
- 8:05Speaker 2: they aren't even even they aren't jacking the you know,
- 8:10Speaker 2: the taxes up. Okay, So it's you know, it's been
- 8:13Speaker 2: a it tends to be more because of the assessed
- 8:17Speaker 2: the increase in assessed value, you know, and quite honestly,
- 8:22Speaker 2: I don't think you want your house to be the
- 8:24Speaker 2: same value it was ten years ago, exactly bought.
- 8:27Speaker 1: It exactly exactly right. And let's basic it. You know,
- 8:30Speaker 1: cost go up, fix, I mean, that's just a it's
- 8:33Speaker 1: a human nature. Costs are are They're always going up,
- 8:36Speaker 1: they always do. Uh. But with our with our work
- 8:40Speaker 1: in progress, as you just mentioned, Mayor, uh, you know,
- 8:43Speaker 1: keeping tight range. I think I think you know, the
- 8:46Speaker 1: city Council and the city has kept you know, good
- 8:49Speaker 1: rains on our on our budget. We don't like to
- 8:51Speaker 1: talk about you know, total budgets. You know, you don't
- 8:54Speaker 1: talk about those. You don't talk about those, you know,
- 8:56Speaker 1: in total you know figures anything like that through the years.
- 9:01Speaker 1: We just don't because there's such a breakdown all of
- 9:04Speaker 1: these areas. You can't really you put it all together
- 9:07Speaker 1: and say, well, here's your budget, you know, because it's
- 9:10Speaker 1: broken down so much.
- 9:11Speaker 2: Oh yes, yeah, I mean yeah, the very line item
- 9:14Speaker 2: and yes, and that's that's the thing that even happened
- 9:20Speaker 2: during Mayor Lee's term, in part because of in part
- 9:28Speaker 2: because of RITA, but just as importantly as a matter
- 9:32Speaker 2: of controlling expenses, being able to have a better handle
- 9:37Speaker 2: on on what costs. We're pretty dedicated to line item issues.
- 9:43Speaker 2: And in this last meeting, there was some changes that
- 9:47Speaker 2: happened in Public Works, but no new money, so that
- 9:53Speaker 2: you know, just because there's a pot of money there
- 9:55Speaker 2: doesn't mean we're gonna we're going to spend it. So
- 9:59Speaker 2: even even though there was no increase in the public
- 10:03Speaker 2: Works budget, the department still had to come back to
- 10:08Speaker 2: the council and make them and the public aware of
- 10:14Speaker 2: changes from the intended budget. So money moved from one
- 10:19Speaker 2: area because we weren't having quite the same expenditures that
- 10:23Speaker 2: we expected, and we were having other areas that we're having,
- 10:27Speaker 2: you know, higher cost than had been anticipated. We're working
- 10:32Speaker 2: within the same budget. There's no new money. We're just
- 10:36Speaker 2: we're just shifting those funds. And based on the way
- 10:40Speaker 2: we handle our finances right now, even just those shifts
- 10:45Speaker 2: are brought those departments are accountable to the council and
- 10:50Speaker 2: the public to make them aware of those shifts.
- 10:54Speaker 1: Absolutely, and again it is through the work of the
- 10:58Speaker 1: City Council and their budget EFTs, and again these are
- 11:00Speaker 1: public meetings. You know, you can tune in online or
- 11:05Speaker 1: you know, visit council chambers if you want the lowdown
- 11:09Speaker 1: on you know, your city at work, your council at work.
- 11:13Speaker 1: This is an annual activity. These budget meetings are scheduled
- 11:16Speaker 1: annually again to map out the plans for the future
- 11:21Speaker 1: of our community. And again the mayor and city Council
- 11:24Speaker 1: and those entities involved have been the hard at work
- 11:28Speaker 1: to again formulate you know, there push ahead into twenty
- 11:33Speaker 1: twenty five. We're going to take a break for news
- 11:36Speaker 1: first at the bottom of the hour eight thirty, but
- 11:38Speaker 1: when we come back, we're going to focus maybe on
- 11:40Speaker 1: a couple of those areas that Mayor mentioned that you
- 11:43Speaker 1: know again are our pinpoint You mentioned the public works area,
- 11:46Speaker 1: and I'm sure there are others that maybe are pinpointed.
- 11:49Speaker 1: So Mayor will have that information plus some more information
- 11:52Speaker 1: from the City of Dixon. It's the Mayor's open line
- 11:54Speaker 1: today with Dixon Mayor Glen Hughes. We're meeting with the
- 11:56Speaker 1: mayor today. It's our Mayor's open line fored U of
- 12:00Speaker 1: twenty twenty five on the Honorable Mayor of the City
- 12:02Speaker 1: of Dixon. Mayor Glenn Hughes is liab with this this
- 12:04Speaker 1: morning to again take us through the budget picture. That's
- 12:08Speaker 1: what we're doing today with the Mayor on AM fourteen
- 12:10Speaker 1: sixteen FM ninety five one. As Mayor mentioned, meetings are
- 12:13Speaker 1: set to come our way end of February, possibly first
- 12:16Speaker 1: of March. But again we're proceeding along as we should be.
- 12:19Speaker 1: This is the regular routine at the city Council again
- 12:23Speaker 1: puts itself in when it comes to figuring out moneys
- 12:27Speaker 1: to be spent, moneys to be looked at, organizations and
- 12:32Speaker 1: entities to be funded through the City of Dixon and
- 12:36Speaker 1: Mayor again, thank you very much for spending the extra
- 12:38Speaker 1: time with this explaining to us about the budget procedures.
- 12:40Speaker 1: In the first portion of our talk line today, thought
- 12:43Speaker 1: we'd kind of concentrate maybe on a couple of those areas.
- 12:46Speaker 1: You know you've had visits from organizations from those that
- 12:52Speaker 1: you know share as they do annually. Again, this is
- 12:55Speaker 1: an annual presentation that these you know edities put forward
- 12:58Speaker 1: to the City of Dixon, you know, needing money is
- 13:02Speaker 1: for their areas. Is there anything that kind of stands
- 13:04Speaker 1: out any of these areas Mayor that you know are
- 13:08Speaker 1: are are you know, uh in that budget fray that
- 13:13Speaker 1: maybe you are in need, you know, or or asking
- 13:16Speaker 1: you know for help.
- 13:18Speaker 2: Well that that's a that's a tough question. I think.
- 13:23Speaker 2: I think all of the entities that come to us
- 13:26Speaker 2: need help. Sure they're they're not just coming to us
- 13:31Speaker 2: because we're an we're an easy touch. There's there's some
- 13:37Speaker 2: thought that needs to go to that. I think you're
- 13:39Speaker 2: probably looking more at some of the things like the
- 13:46Speaker 2: next picture show, the Dixon Historic Theater, you know, stage left,
- 13:52Speaker 2: some of those, some of the other entities along that line.
- 13:58Speaker 2: I think the impacts another one of them, All of
- 14:04Speaker 2: them very good and approximately. It just a matter of
- 14:09Speaker 2: when we're looking at the budget and we're looking at
- 14:11Speaker 2: available funds, how much we can commit to those projects.
- 14:20Speaker 2: And it's not just about today, because we might have
- 14:25Speaker 2: the funds to do that in the Community Development Fund
- 14:28Speaker 2: for example, or the Arts and Culture Fund. But if
- 14:35Speaker 2: just because we've got the money there, it doesn't mean
- 14:37Speaker 2: it needs to all get dispersed at once. You have
- 14:40Speaker 2: to be able to look at the long term. You know,
- 14:43Speaker 2: what's our sources of replenishing those monies. If we distribute
- 14:48Speaker 2: most of that fund, you know, how much have we
- 14:51Speaker 2: gone through in the last few years does that give
- 14:56Speaker 2: us a gauge on what we need to be prepared
- 14:59Speaker 2: for for the the next few years. We even at
- 15:04Speaker 2: the last meeting, we even had some request from Buddy
- 15:08Speaker 2: Bags very good cause, absolutely, absolutely a very good cause.
- 15:16Speaker 2: I was. I had had some contact with people from
- 15:23Speaker 2: Buddy Bags previous to that meeting. I did not try
- 15:29Speaker 2: and dissuade them from coming. There's probably nothing that we'll
- 15:36Speaker 2: be able to happen in this budget year, but it's
- 15:42Speaker 2: based on a couple of factors, both statutory and our
- 15:51Speaker 2: policy driven basis. So one, we need to find a
- 15:55Speaker 2: statutory position where we could possibly donate to something like
- 16:04Speaker 2: Buddy Bags or Shining Stars or Hope Cancer, But then
- 16:10Speaker 2: we also have to change the city's policy on what
- 16:17Speaker 2: we're giving in terms of the not for profits. Right now,
- 16:21Speaker 2: it's very clear from a statutory standpoint that we can
- 16:24Speaker 2: donate to third parties for economic development purposes. There may
- 16:33Speaker 2: be some ways that we could approach those other donations,
- 16:40Speaker 2: but we need to clarify that, and upon clarifying that,
- 16:46Speaker 2: we also need to address the city's policy. Concern I
- 16:51Speaker 2: have there is that are we opening a can of worms?
- 16:55Speaker 2: There are a lot of deserving and I just named
- 16:58Speaker 2: off for probably, you know, very quickly sure that are
- 17:03Speaker 2: not relative to the the economic basis. I think the
- 17:09Speaker 2: United Way gives to about twenty eight or thirty of them.
- 17:15Speaker 2: So there's a lot of good causes out there. Out
- 17:19Speaker 2: of that twenty eight or thirty, maybe there's some more
- 17:22Speaker 2: that the city, you know, we could narrow down a
- 17:24Speaker 2: group that the city could find worthy of being donated to.
- 17:31Speaker 2: But on the other hand, that opens a whole can
- 17:34Speaker 2: of worms in terms of decisions that we have to
- 17:38Speaker 2: make we have to make on that budget for multiple
- 17:46Speaker 2: entities like that. Quite honestly, having been on the United
- 17:52Speaker 2: Way board, being a strong, you know, believer in what
- 17:55Speaker 2: the United Way can do, and knowing the process that
- 17:59Speaker 2: the United Way goes through to make its determinations, I'm
- 18:08Speaker 2: not sure how realistic it is for the city to
- 18:12Speaker 2: get that involved in those not for profits. And we
- 18:16Speaker 2: have avenues within like the United Rights or personal donations
- 18:24Speaker 2: to address people's particular concerns. I don't want to. I
- 18:32Speaker 2: don't want to try and start picking and choosing, sure
- 18:35Speaker 2: between ten or fifteen different agencies if we if we
- 18:41Speaker 2: open that floodgate.
- 18:43Speaker 1: Sure, what I'm saying is too Mayor is that. I
- 18:45Speaker 1: know that the city makes every effort, I mean every effort,
- 18:49Speaker 1: every effort to address and you know, uh, to to
- 18:53Speaker 1: look at these organizations that make presentations that but I'm
- 18:58Speaker 1: sure that's there's probably you know, has to be you know, uh,
- 19:02Speaker 1: there's probably a cut off life there are probably obviously
- 19:04Speaker 1: there is, and you don't like it. You don't like it,
- 19:07Speaker 1: but it's necessary because because you know, it's it's not
- 19:12Speaker 1: feasible right need to to you know, yeah, take care
- 19:17Speaker 1: of everybody you want to. But but it's tough, and
- 19:21Speaker 1: I'm sure you're finding that out, you know, with presentations.
- 19:24Speaker 2: Like I said when I was on the United Way Board,
- 19:26Speaker 2: I understand that process exactly.
- 19:28Speaker 1: You know, budgets you know, are are are very delicate,
- 19:32Speaker 1: They're very you know, and you have to you know,
- 19:35Speaker 1: you have to address needs assessments and the and the
- 19:38Speaker 1: city is doing that right now in their in their
- 19:40Speaker 1: budget meetings, as Mayor mentioned. But again, uh, you know,
- 19:45Speaker 1: there are a lot of presentations that have been made.
- 19:47Speaker 1: I know that a lot of entities have you know,
- 19:49Speaker 1: come forward to speak to the City Council and make
- 19:52Speaker 1: their presentations and you know, to make their causes and
- 19:55Speaker 1: you know, so, uh, you know, it's it's an interesting
- 19:58Speaker 1: I'm sure it's an interesting deal process that the city
- 20:01Speaker 1: looks at every year. This is the routine as we
- 20:04Speaker 1: talked about earlier, that the city goes through in order
- 20:07Speaker 1: to plan. You know what moneys can be dispersed obviously,
- 20:10Speaker 1: you know, taking care of business first. You talked about
- 20:13Speaker 1: that during the first portion of our talk line here
- 20:15Speaker 1: at a fourteen sixteen FM ninety five one. Mayor were
- 20:17Speaker 1: approaching the end of our talk line time today, I
- 20:20Speaker 1: know that there was some ceremonies held at the most
- 20:23Speaker 1: recent Dixon City Council meeting that we want to address
- 20:26Speaker 1: once again.
- 20:26Speaker 2: As you oh, absolutely with February being Black History Month,
- 20:34Speaker 2: not that that should have any restrictions, but I think
- 20:37Speaker 2: it you know, when you celebrate people in your community,
- 20:42Speaker 2: it can happen at any time of the year. But
- 20:45Speaker 2: with back Black History Month, we make a point of
- 20:50Speaker 2: addressing the Ike Mercer Award and that went to Gerald
- 20:55Speaker 2: Lot this year, and then as of last year we
- 21:01Speaker 2: did there was a first uh Lifetime Achievement Award, so
- 21:08Speaker 2: this is the second one and this award went to
- 21:12Speaker 2: the Black History Month Lifetime Achievement Award. Went to James Dishman.
- 21:18Speaker 2: Mister Dishman, I don't believe is with us anymore, but
- 21:22Speaker 2: his family was represented there and.
- 21:25Speaker 1: And and good uh you know, a former commissioner, uh
- 21:28Speaker 1: you know with the City of Dixon ward, you know,
- 21:30Speaker 1: with with the City of Dixon ed So again a
- 21:34Speaker 1: very uh, you know, worthy choice I think for the
- 21:38Speaker 1: Lifetime Achievement Award. And Jill Lot you know what he's
- 21:41Speaker 1: done with, you know, Stuck Valley Voices of Recovery. Good
- 21:43Speaker 1: choice for the Commercer Award as well. Yeah, because he's
- 21:47Speaker 1: done so much, you know.
- 21:49Speaker 2: And actually that's not I want to say, this is
- 21:53Speaker 2: not These are not awards that the city in particular evaluates.
- 21:59Speaker 2: These These are done by the Mercer family and in
- 22:05Speaker 2: particular prior Ike Mercer Award winners' good. So it's bringing
- 22:13Speaker 2: in those who have won the award who understand the
- 22:17Speaker 2: significance of the award, along with the Mercer family who
- 22:20Speaker 2: are making these decisions on those both for the Ike
- 22:26Speaker 2: Mercer Award and now the Lifetime Achievement Award.
- 22:29Speaker 1: Congratulations to the recipients honored at the most recent Dixon
- 22:32Speaker 1: City Council meeting held recently as a matter of fact
- 22:35Speaker 1: this past week right here in our community, So congratulations
- 22:38Speaker 1: to those recipients. Mayor, we're out of time. I know
- 22:41Speaker 1: continues on the budget. We'll obviously have that to talk
- 22:43Speaker 1: about in the next portion in the month of March
- 22:46Speaker 1: as well. But again work continues on budget proceedings, and
- 22:50Speaker 1: again we'll get updated by the Mayor and by our
- 22:53Speaker 1: officials right here on A fourteen sixteen FM ninety five
- 22:56Speaker 1: one as we move forward into twenty twenty five. Hall
- 22:58Speaker 1: was a pleasure having you on board, sir. I enjoy
- 23:00Speaker 1: being here and it is always a pleasure having the
- 23:03Speaker 1: honorable Mayor of the City of Dixon, Mayor Glen Hughes
- 23:05Speaker 1: join us for the talk line today here at Wixen.
- 23:07Speaker 1: That's the Mayor's open line for February twenty twenty five.
- 23:09Speaker 1: Sports versus Next