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Jags Drive Time: Tuesday, November 27 · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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  Speaker 1: Jeff Warris, did you do Jeck Jack Morris, did you
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  Speaker 1: Jack Uarrens? Drive Time? Ryan Sex texted Joy Actually, Jeff
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  Speaker 1: Warres Drive Time starts right now. It was a tough
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  Speaker 1: day today. I mean, it's a tough day and all
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  Speaker 1: of that's how this business is. I mean, it's tough
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  Speaker 1: when you know you let to go with someone that
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  Speaker 1: you have a ton of respect for and and I've
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  Speaker 1: worked with long n I've worked with any other coach,
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  Speaker 1: and then a quarterback that I have a lot of
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  Speaker 1: respect for his toughness. And like I told both those guys,
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  Speaker 1: it's not one coach or one person that's on all
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  Speaker 1: of us. Starts with me, but I've got to make
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  Speaker 1: decisions that put us in the best opportunity to win.
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  Speaker 1: Good morning, and welcome to Jack's Drive Time. Ryan Sexton,
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  Speaker 1: Ashlyn Sullivan, Joe Fortune, not outstilling cold, Jeff logging me around.
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  Speaker 1: Uh yeah, touch is pretty way, pretty good way to
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  Speaker 1: describe it. Uh Sunday afternoon was pretty tough too, And
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  Speaker 1: I can remember I was standing. I don't know whether
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  Speaker 1: it was you or Dr Kaplan, but I'm standing on
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  Speaker 1: the sidelines and as Leonard races off the sideline. I thought, well,
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  Speaker 1: this one's over. I mean, I knew it was coming
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  Speaker 1: because he wasn't going over there to be a peacemaker. Right. Um.
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  Speaker 1: From that moment forward, a really tough two months became
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  Speaker 1: almost impossibly difficult. And so yesterday morning we finished drive
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  Speaker 1: time and went in the other room and started to get,
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  Speaker 1: you know, ideas of what was coming. That they were
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  Speaker 1: going to change offensive coordinators, and then a little later
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  Speaker 1: the quarterback, and you just thought, how much worse can
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  Speaker 1: this thing get? He thought, oh boy, here it comes.
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  Speaker 1: Well and so and then that's why they made the change,
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  Speaker 1: right Um. And let's be clear, Nate Hackett is a
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  Speaker 1: good football coach. When they elevated him after they fired
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  Speaker 1: Greg Olsen, if you remember that, here it comes Nate,
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  Speaker 1: and they were in the middle of a two game
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  Speaker 1: losing his two games of street a kid. They lost
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  Speaker 1: two in a row. Uh. They went on to lose
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  Speaker 1: the next seven before they fired us and then won
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  Speaker 1: the ballgame here against Tennessee on Christmas Eve. So this,
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  Speaker 1: by no means solves the problem. It's an attempt to
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  Speaker 1: try to do something, but you know, and it's worth noting.
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  Speaker 1: So Scott Milanovitch takes over as the play caller, and
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  Speaker 1: I'm not sure how much he was on the sideline
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  Speaker 1: on Sunday for the first time Nate was in the booth.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not sure if he wasn't calling some plays on Sunday.
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  Speaker 1: He was that animated, that active. They kept that very quiet,
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  Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, you see him on
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  Speaker 1: the silin. You go, oh, of course there is none
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  Speaker 1: of us would know, but he was there. He was
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  Speaker 1: very active with the quarterbacks. He was up on his
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  Speaker 1: feet on the sidelines. It even looked like he was
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  Speaker 1: calling places. I thought it was Nate. Tell you Nate's
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  Speaker 1: ball alo pitches too. You had to do that. But
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  Speaker 1: so here's the move, and some people applauded it. I
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  Speaker 1: say caution with the offensive coordinator because now he's got
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  Speaker 1: a a new starting quarterback. He's without the best player
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  Speaker 1: on offense, Leondard for Nett, you lost maybe your best
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  Speaker 1: offensive lineman and Andrew Norwell, and now you're down three.
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  Speaker 1: Don't forget the right side of the line. A j
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  Speaker 1: Can is not healthy. Jeremy Parnell has been gutting it out.
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  Speaker 1: You don't have the tight end. I mean, on and
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  Speaker 1: on and on, so to expect to see all of
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  Speaker 1: a sudden, so some aerial searches, right, Uh, take a
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  Speaker 1: deep breath and I know we're gonna do a little
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  Speaker 1: that later, but understand the greater circumstance of what's going on.
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  Speaker 1: I guess Tom Coffin was on the Jaguars radio partner
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  Speaker 1: this morning, uh, and he made notion of you have
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  Speaker 1: to try to do something, and they've lost seven in
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  Speaker 1: a row, there's five games left. Yes, this is your attempt.
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  Speaker 1: They have to do something and lost in in in
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  Speaker 1: the Hackett and h and Kessler and for Nett is
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  Speaker 1: Blake right, I mean just it's just a and I
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  Speaker 1: will tell you, and I'm sure there are people that
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  Speaker 1: are thinking this. It feels to me like we've seen
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  Speaker 1: the last of Blake Bortles in Jacksonville. I know there's
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  Speaker 1: the thought about the salary cap next year, what that
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  Speaker 1: number is, but I've been told that they can maneuver
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  Speaker 1: with that if they choose to, if that's their course
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  Speaker 1: of action. Don't know what that is, not speculating on that,
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  Speaker 1: but it just feels this morning, for whatever feeling is worth,
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  Speaker 1: and I've been doing this for twenty five years, uh,
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  Speaker 1: that this is Kessler's show staying healthy the rest of
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  Speaker 1: the way. Um, and then you're going to see this
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  Speaker 1: team in the top ten in the draft with an
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  Speaker 1: opportunity to add a quarterback. And don't forget a couple
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  Speaker 1: of years ago, UM, Carson Wentz was you know, an
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  Speaker 1: afterthought as a first round pick as the thing got started,
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  Speaker 1: and by the time he went through the process had
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  Speaker 1: climbed all the way to number two overall. So people
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  Speaker 1: look and say, well, there's no quarterback. Yeah, there are
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  Speaker 1: some guys. We're a long way from that. Um. We
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  Speaker 1: have plenty of time to talk about what Blake did,
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  Speaker 1: if this is indeed, you know, the end for him
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  Speaker 1: in Jacksonville, plenty of time to talk about, you know,
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  Speaker 1: Cody Kessler and what they can do. Um. First though,
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  Speaker 1: we do have a Twitter poll today and we'll start
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  Speaker 1: with the obvious, and that is you see Cody Kessler, obviously,
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  Speaker 1: but who else would you like to see? We'll leave
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  Speaker 1: Cody at the top just to get a number on it.
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  Speaker 1: But you know, Ronnie Harrison is a guy who has
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  Speaker 1: played a lot in that big nickel role at safety
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  Speaker 1: and played well, has played well on special teams for
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  Speaker 1: Jody Camillis and is likely to get more time as
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  Speaker 1: this thing rolls along, especially with Barry Church still kind
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  Speaker 1: of struggling. Uh. D J. Chark was injured last week,
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  Speaker 1: but if you heard Doug Morone, uh, and they'd hack it.
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  Speaker 1: Last week they were talking about how he was coming
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  Speaker 1: at practice. So maybe more d J Chark. Maybe there's
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  Speaker 1: someone else that you would like to see more of
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  Speaker 1: our tribe time poll on Twitter today. Who do you
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  Speaker 1: want to see more of as we head into December? Yes?
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  Speaker 1: Our big thing three is hope today and two of
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  Speaker 1: those guys are my hopes for the future. There you
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  Speaker 1: go and look and and there, Yeah, there is hope
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  Speaker 1: for what this team can do, not for this season,
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  Speaker 1: but how they can retool it. Well, let's start with
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  Speaker 1: big things. Big thing one is change, and there was
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  Speaker 1: a lot of it yesterday. A new play caller, a
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  Speaker 1: new quarterback, and out a new head running back this
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  Speaker 1: this week due to the spension from Leonard for Nett.
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  Speaker 1: Let's see what Doug Moron had to say about all
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  Speaker 1: of the changes yesterday. That being said, I I felt
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  Speaker 1: I needed to make a change, you know, to get
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  Speaker 1: us an opportunity to win some games. Um Scott Milanovitch
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  Speaker 1: will be the play car Scott's call players before. Obviously,
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  Speaker 1: he's been with us for two years as our quarterback coach,
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  Speaker 1: and I expect him to prepare this team this week
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  Speaker 1: and get ourselves in a position to win games. Uh.
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  Speaker 1: Regarding the quarterback position, we're gonna start Cody Kessler um
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  Speaker 1: this week against the Colts. Had a chance to talk
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  Speaker 1: to bout Blake and Cody early today and I told him, guys,
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  Speaker 1: I told both those guys the same thing, you know,
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  Speaker 1: making this change to give us an opportunity, you know,
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  Speaker 1: to win a football game. And Cody knows the offense
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  Speaker 1: he's been in UM where he's not really prepared that week,
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  Speaker 1: so he'll have a full week in preparation. So we'll see.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, last night, when the word came that Leonard
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  Speaker 1: Frenette was going to be suspended for a game, UM,
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  Speaker 1: and that's a whole another issue. UM. I thought, Okay, well,
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  Speaker 1: you just you you made a tough job really difficult
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  Speaker 1: because all of a sudden, now you don't have your
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  Speaker 1: best offensive player. Leonard Fournette, for whatever you think of
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  Speaker 1: him about this incident, was the dominant player on the
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  Speaker 1: field on Sunday afternoon, looked like the fourth overall pick
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  Speaker 1: in the draft for maybe the first time in his career. Right, actually, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: without without a doubt this season, but better on Sunday
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  Speaker 1: than he was I think at any point during last season,
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  Speaker 1: even the Steelers game where he had three touchdown to
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  Speaker 1: the playoff game where he had a touchdown. The two touchdowns,
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  Speaker 1: this was his best game and running off the field
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  Speaker 1: has created an embarrassing situation for this football team. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: this morning a good morning football. They are talking about
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  Speaker 1: the incident in London and another incident in London that
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  Speaker 1: not a lot of people will knew about, but they
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  Speaker 1: did because they were around. It involved Dante Fowler not
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  Speaker 1: being at practice on Saturday morning. And so you can't
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  Speaker 1: hide anything in this league. Some things just quietly stay
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  Speaker 1: under the surface, and then this comes out and everybody
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  Speaker 1: feels like they've got the ability to just pound you.
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  Speaker 1: And so now no secrets whatsoever, nothing is hidden. Um.
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  Speaker 1: This was John Runyon, Yes, Vice president of Policy, in
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  Speaker 1: Rules three violations on sportsmanli conduct, striking an opponent and
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  Speaker 1: throwing a punch at an opponent, he writes sportsmanship is
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  Speaker 1: the cornerstone of the game and the legal not tolerate
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  Speaker 1: game related misconduct. Goes on to say that this will
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  Speaker 1: not be tolerated in the NFL. So this fine is
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  Speaker 1: probably gonna be somewhere between you know, fifty and seventy
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  Speaker 1: five thousand, depending on what Leonards. Paragraph five is salary
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  Speaker 1: and a contract, so you're divided by sixteen and that's
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  Speaker 1: what he gets on on on a Tuesday, right, exclusive
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  Speaker 1: of bonus money. So that's probably fifty seventy dollar fine. Um.
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  Speaker 1: Surely he regrets it at this point, hopefully for all
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  Speaker 1: the right reasons. Number one, he cost his team a win.
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  Speaker 1: Number two, Uh, he cost his team an opportunity at
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  Speaker 1: home to have him. He didn't he didn't play um
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  Speaker 1: the fourth quarters, So now he'll miss five consecutive quarters
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  Speaker 1: for your team when he was playing well. Uh, the
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  Speaker 1: embarrassment of it all, it's just, look, this team is
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  Speaker 1: the biggest disappointment in the NFL this year. That's not
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  Speaker 1: news to anybody. And now you add this on top
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  Speaker 1: of it, and the embarrassing it's just yeah, yeah, just
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  Speaker 1: when you think it couldn't get worse. And we will
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  Speaker 1: know that he is appealing the decision, but it's very
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  Speaker 1: obvious that what he violated. There's what he didn't know.
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  Speaker 1: There is no chance that they say, you know what, Leonards,
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  Speaker 1: you're right, you can play. He raced off the sideline.
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  Speaker 1: If you watch the video, you can see him lift
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  Speaker 1: his hands like a boxer, and then I we couldn't
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  Speaker 1: see through the scrum of people between us and that,
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  Speaker 1: but you see this arm swing on the jumbo tron,
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  Speaker 1: which is where I was getting my best look at
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  Speaker 1: it from the field level, and I went, that's Leonard.
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  Speaker 1: He's out. They're gonna throw him my of this game.
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  Speaker 1: And then obviously it became clear that they were going
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  Speaker 1: to have to suspend him as well. So it's very
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  Speaker 1: clear what he did wrong, so appeal and all, but
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  Speaker 1: it's clearly noted. What was I want to see this
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  Speaker 1: this uh this SoundBite you got from yesterday from from D. D. Westbrook.
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  Speaker 1: Because he's a young player and a guy who you know,
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  Speaker 1: was thought to be sort of a knucklehead last year
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  Speaker 1: um and has grown into a not just a good
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  Speaker 1: young player. When Leonard left the game, he became the
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  Speaker 1: player of the game. Forty three yard run, not just
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  Speaker 1: the touchdown, but his work on punt returns and how
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  Speaker 1: he was able to create fuel position. This guy's really coming,
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  Speaker 1: he's really he's really starting to show something that he
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  Speaker 1: can do. Um. And so when you went to interview
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  Speaker 1: him yesterday, I thought, I wonder what he's gonna say,
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  Speaker 1: and now I want to see it. Well, we asked
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  Speaker 1: him what he thought of Nathaniel Hackett being let go
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  Speaker 1: of his offensive coordinator duties. He said, Hey, it's on
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  Speaker 1: us as an offense. That's pretty much on us. And
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  Speaker 1: the reason being is because I mean, he go out
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  Speaker 1: there and he called a place. He has a great
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  Speaker 1: game plans. Every week ends up to us as players
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  Speaker 1: to execute that. And I feel like we let him down,
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  Speaker 1: We let the team down by my execute Visibly upset
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  Speaker 1: in the locker room, that's for sure. But I applaud
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  Speaker 1: that he got up and he spoke about obviously a
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  Speaker 1: very tough day for the offense, and you could see
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  Speaker 1: that he did truly think that, you know, I had
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  Speaker 1: something to do with this. So what we what we've
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  Speaker 1: created here over the last ten or twelve minutes of
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  Speaker 1: our show is you've got this great, big, you know,
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  Speaker 1: soup kettle, and we just we just put negativity right,
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  Speaker 1: uh and you know, fire the offensive coordinator, change the quarterback.
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  Speaker 1: The running back is suspended, and and that's what you're
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  Speaker 1: trying to avoid. At this point, you've got five games,
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  Speaker 1: but almost you know, a quarter of quarter just a
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  Speaker 1: little bit more than a quarter of your season, almost
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  Speaker 1: a third of your season remaining. You can't you can't
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  Speaker 1: keep eating this soup. You have to change this now,
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  Speaker 1: which is why they did what they did, even though
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  Speaker 1: Doug will tell you not fair to Ned Hackett with
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  Speaker 1: all the injuries that he had to deal with, with
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  Speaker 1: the offensive line the way it is, But you can't
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  Speaker 1: keep eating the soup. You gotta change it. Um. You know,
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  Speaker 1: Blake Bortles two weeks ago, sixty completion two touchdown passes
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  Speaker 1: through a pastor Rashod Green that had him with an
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  Speaker 1: opportunity to go for the win at the very least
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  Speaker 1: kick a field goal and tie it and go to overtime. Right,
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  Speaker 1: and now two weeks later, after two poor performances, you know,
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  Speaker 1: bench probably not entirely fair again based on the same thing.
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  Speaker 1: Offensive life isn't fair. It is not what it is.
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  Speaker 1: They got. They had to do something and they did.
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  Speaker 1: Uh So that brings us the big thing to the
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  Speaker 1: big thing too, is perspective and expectations for these next
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  Speaker 1: five weeks. Let's go back to D. D. Westbrook to
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  Speaker 1: see what he thinks of the next five weeks and
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  Speaker 1: what can change. That's this point. I have no idea,
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  Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Whoever they brand again, we
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  Speaker 1: gotta be able to work with him, you know. I
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  Speaker 1: five common ground and go out there and make place
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  Speaker 1: whereever it is, make plays for whoever it is. The
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  Speaker 1: First thing you gotta have is you gotta have your attitude. Right. Um,
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  Speaker 1: Let's face it, the locker room has not been a
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  Speaker 1: fun place to be for us, but you wouldn't expect
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  Speaker 1: it to be. No, and it is not for them.
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  Speaker 1: And now you face five games with the backup quarterback,
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  Speaker 1: with the quarterbacks coach calling the plays, and the you know,
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  Speaker 1: sort of damocles hanging over your head. Right, change is coming.
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  Speaker 1: Everyone knows it. Everyone's thinking does that impact me? Jackson
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  Speaker 1: even talked about his bonus money next year and understanding
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  Speaker 1: the dynamics of the Jaguar salary cap in and thinking
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  Speaker 1: about how does this impact me? And he turned and said,
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  Speaker 1: all I can do is go and play. So for
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  Speaker 1: Ded and those players, all they can do is go
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  Speaker 1: and play. Let me ask you a question on defense,
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  Speaker 1: is there still game changing talent or are we wrong
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  Speaker 1: and there's no game changing talent on that side of
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  Speaker 1: the ball. Yes, I think there's play me of game
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  Speaker 1: changing talent, but they still need to work as a unit.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, you have guys like Marcel Darius who's played
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  Speaker 1: at a huge level. You see a j Boyke the
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  Speaker 1: past few weeks coming up to play the Pro Bowl
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  Speaker 1: caliber player that he is. Do you not expect Jalen
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  Speaker 1: Ramsey to have a massive rebound game from his worst
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  Speaker 1: game as a pro against India a couple of weeks
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  Speaker 1: ago to this. Of course, of course you do. So
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  Speaker 1: now you're going to lean on your defense. We were
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  Speaker 1: expected them to lean on the defense last week a bit,
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  Speaker 1: but you're gonna have to get game changing plays from
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  Speaker 1: those guys on defense to have a chance. You're going
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  Speaker 1: to have to have everyone on offense focused on the
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  Speaker 1: same page because now it's gonna be rallied around Cody
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  Speaker 1: and Carlo's hide and it. Scott Milanovitch is gonna have
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  Speaker 1: to he's gonna have to call it game. He's gonna
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  Speaker 1: have to call who He's going to have to call
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  Speaker 1: the game. Um, you have to use these last five
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  Speaker 1: games to see what you have for the future. Exactly
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  Speaker 1: what are my puzzle pieces that I can plug in
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  Speaker 1: for and where do I have to go to get
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  Speaker 1: dramatically better? What can I keep and what can I
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  Speaker 1: get rid of? And you mentioned Lake Jackson was great
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  Speaker 1: in the locker room yesterday and he said, the entire
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  Speaker 1: locker room now at this point in the next five weeks,
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  Speaker 1: has to look at themselves. Yeah. It kind of sucks.
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  Speaker 1: I mean front coach hack it. Yeah, it sucks. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: somebody had to get let go. Um, I thought he
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  Speaker 1: was doing a wonderful job, you know, but just the
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  Speaker 1: nature of the business. You know, we need to start
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  Speaker 1: winning or how I need to look in the mirror
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  Speaker 1: about you know, who can get let go? So um,
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  Speaker 1: yeah sucks. It makes you look at yourself to be
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  Speaker 1: honest with you, I mean, since our firing people, you know,
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  Speaker 1: you have to look I mean, for example, me, you know,
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  Speaker 1: my guarantees money, it's coming up in the year. What
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  Speaker 1: am I doing? How am I doing? You know, you
• 15:42
  Speaker 1: gotta kind of self evaluate yourself to kind of have
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  Speaker 1: a come to Jesus. You know, where are you gonna
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  Speaker 1: be after this season, you know, is it gonna be here?
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  Speaker 1: What are you trying to do? You know, there's a
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  Speaker 1: lot of questions come up when they start letting people go,
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  Speaker 1: But all you can do is really focus. We have
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  Speaker 1: what five games left? Five games after you can dose
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  Speaker 1: folks on put yourself in the best position showing the
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  Speaker 1: coaches in the front office that you still here, you're
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  Speaker 1: still president, you're still working hard. You have five games left.
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  Speaker 1: You have the Colts who are in it. You have
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  Speaker 1: the Titans who fell back last night, but they still
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  Speaker 1: believe they're in it at five and six and technically
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: they are. Uh. You get the Redskins who are in it.
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: You get the Dolphins who are in it even if
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: they're just like the Titans at five and six on
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: the fringes of it. And then you get a Houston team. Uh,
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: they may have it all wrapped up by the time
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: you get there at the end of the year, but
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: that's a really talented football team, and you don't know
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: whether Bill O'Brien plays a lot of his guys or sits.
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: And you get basically get five teams that are in it.
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: So here's your chance to go play. I don't want
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: to say win, although that's the goal, right, But here's
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: your chance to go and show your best, show that
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: you're working hard, show that's still important to you, Show
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: that you're a piece of this puzzle going forward. And
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: you better have the right mindset. You better be thinking
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: just like Malik. And we didn't show it, but because
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: we didn't know that Leonard was going to it's suspended.
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: But Malik called out Leonard said he has to grow up.
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: Last night, Calais Campbell on All Access said the same thing.
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: This was a locker room that for the most part
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: the last year and a half, since the beginning of
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: twenties seventeen, it was live and let live, right. They
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: accepted the big personalities, the edgy personalities, the flamboyant personalities.
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: They let them be them and it's easy to do it.
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: Then then it's easy to say, let Jalen say what
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: Jalen is gonna do, you know, let whoever where what
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: they're gonna wear, let them be them. But at this
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: point now where there's obvious breakdowns in discipline if it
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: doesn't come from the coach, and this is a be
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: a man coach, right, and they proved that they could
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: do it last year. Now guys have to start calling
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: each other out and holding a level of accountability, and
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: not just the poking in the chest, but the words
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: saying to the media, not just the media saying to
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: each other in the locker room. You've got to have players.
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: And Malik and Calais, who are absolutely the leaders on
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: defense and in that locker room, both stood up and
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: stood out because on the offensive side of the ball
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: there aren't any. But those are the two guys you
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: think if you had to pick two, those are the
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: two guys that I'm picking to say something right, But
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: let me on the offense. The quarterback can't do it now,
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: right because he's just stepping into the lineup for net.
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: Can't do it. He has no credibility after being suspended
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: and what he did. There are no receivers that can
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: do it. There are no offensive lineman that can do
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: it at this point because Brandon Linder would be that
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: guy and he's on injured reserve. So it's got to
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: come from the defensive side. There are a couple of others.
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: You could see Telvin Smith, right, I think Jalen Ramsey
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: has climbed in esteem the way he's handled himself since
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: that game against the Colts. I really think he has
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: taken a massive step forward maturities. It's probably not the
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: right term. It's not that the best term, because I
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: don't want to say he was immature, but he has
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: risen to the standard that leaders, especially guys who want
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: to get paid, need to rise to. I would say
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: he's acting more like a pro the past few weeks,
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: no doubt. If you just go back and watch his
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: news conferences totally, you see a guy that can rise
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: to the channel. It reminds me one more point, Sorry,
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: it reminds me a lot of I remember all the
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: way back in August and training camp. We were talking
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: to Dug Moro own here on Drive Toime and he said,
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: every single day these players have to remember that there
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: is a microscope on their backs. We're watching every single
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: thing they do in the building, at lunch, on the
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: practice field. Now it's almost the exact same thing with
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: these five weeks left to go. Malik said that everyone
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: has to look at themselves in the mirror and realize
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: they're competing for a job at this point right now.
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: Bet you don't want to be there, but that's the reality.
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: They're in somebody said to me, boy, that team is
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: a dumpster fire, right now. Okay, well, you hope you
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: put it out yesterday. You know, you hope to change
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: at least extinguished it a little bit. Yeah, exactly. The penalties,
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: the fifteen yard penalties, the turnovers, the lack of discipline
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: with Leonard running across the field, and the fire, all
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: of that stuff. Now, you hope you've put that fire
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: out and that you start cleaning it up and you
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: show it. You can't just clean it up with moves.
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: Cleaning it up means you do it on the field.
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: On day afternoon against the Colts, we shall see. Final
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: big thing, final big thing is hope. So we were
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: all supposed to make a list, the two of I,
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: two of us and see what is hopeful for the future.
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: And when I was looking at what is hopeful for
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: the future, obviously it's something for who was playing at
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: a high level. You just hope that he can act
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: more mature and a professional in the future. But also
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: I'm looking at the corners, and I'm looking at the
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: young guys we talked about in the Twitter pool. I'm
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: looking at Ronnie Harrison in DJ Chark, who everyone wants
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: to see more of They've had great seasons so far.
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: We were impressed with them in training camp. They haven't
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: disappointed this season. I I look at the offensive line right,
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: because you just go back to the Colts game and
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: how well that Colts offensive line is playing together as
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: quickly as they're playing together with a couple of rookies.
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: Quittin Nelson looks like John Hannah in his rookie season
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: for goodness sake. And I know there's people your as
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: going John who maybe the best guard to ever play
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: the game. Um, But you've got Andrew Norwell who and
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: I think people think that he wasn't very good this year.
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: Many people think that, but this team didn't play to
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: the style that they brought him into play. But you
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: can build a range, right, you get Brandon Linder back.
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: Eric Flowers looks to me and I had a coach
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: tell me on Sunday, the guy's got incredible athletic potential.
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: Work with him. Right, You've got Cam Robinson coming back.
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: You've got some guys that you can build around on
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: that offensive line. You need to draft. Right. You're not
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: gonna go out and spend big money in free agency,
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: but you've got some guys on the offensive line that
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: you can bring back and build around. I'm with you.
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: You've got Leonard for Nette. I love the combination of
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: Leonard and Carlos last week in the first half, right again,
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: a reason to believe that you can create a running
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: game the quarterback in the passing game. Well, you've got
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: Chark indeed Westbrook both have have looked like guys that
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: you can count on. On the defensive side of the ball,
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: there's a guy at every level, right, two guys up front,
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: I think that you look absolutely going forward. You've got
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: Unique and gon Way um Um and Marcel Darius. I
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: think Tavin Bryant is a young guy that can slide inside.
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: He made some plays on Sunday afternoon. People see that, right.
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: But a guy who has a lot of upside um
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: Miles Jack Leon Jacobs, who has as a strong side backer.
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: You haven't seen a lot of him because the league
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: doesn't use that very well. But Jitlyn and a J
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: boy played and I asked him yesterday, I said that
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: your best game and he just kind of smiled. Uh.
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: Didn't want to take credit. Beat on his chest on
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: a day that everything was going down. No but he
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: was running the routes for the receivers in front of
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: him and then Ronnie Harrison. Um, there are plenty of
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: young players on this team that you can build around.
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: You have to figure out passing attack, and I guess
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: Tom Goughlin said this morning that that's what fans want,
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: that's what the league is becoming. Let's let's leave this
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: a block which has gone a little long this morning
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: with this thought, and that is is that when you
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: look at Kansas City, you look like you're playing in
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: a different league. You can't. You can't do that anymore.
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: You can't. It worked last year, We thought it would
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: work this year. You must start moving in that direction.
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: Whether I like it or not. I don't want to
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: see forty five to forty in games. Um. I'd seven
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: games with the Jaguars up in front. But they're not
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: calling us, well, no, and that's not what the fans want.
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: That's not apparently what the league wants. So if that's it,
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: and I go back to that feeling that I said
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: earlier that it just feels like this is the end,
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: four number five in Jacksonville. Um, if that's the story,
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: if that's what the league is now, you've got to
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: get caught up with it. So with all of that said,
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: let's take a break. We'll come back. Jeff log Him
• 23:28
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• 23:31
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  Speaker 1: Don't forget our Twitter poll. We're asking you who you
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  Speaker 1: want to see more of in December. The first one
• 25:27
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  Speaker 1: it's his job going forward. But Ronnie Harrison, d j
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• 25:38
  Speaker 1: what you'd like to see more of in December as
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: we start focusing on where this team is headed. Obviously,
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: the Jaguars are focused on Sunday and the Indianapolis Colts
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: in a one o'clock kickoff here at ever Bank Field.
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: It will be Cody Kestler's first start in a Jaguars uniform. Um.
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: That's what Ashley's analysis is about, is the Cody Kestler story,
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: and it's been quite the story. Obviously, he was not
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: given a great chance but the Browns NFL games. Eight
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: games as a rookie for the brown six touchdowns and
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: two interceptions during that time. And then you come to
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: this time here when he went in for the game
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: for Blake Bortles in Houston, one of thirty passes for
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: a hundred and fifties six yards a touchdown, excited the crowd,
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: excited the bench at times. Now he's getting another new chance.
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: You go back to his time with Cleveland where he
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: was beat out for Kaiser in the depth chart. Kaiser
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: went oh and fifteen as a starter. Kessler never got
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: the chance to see the field and Brian, we go
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: back to our time in August in the preseason when
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: we were doing the TV broadcast, and Cody Kessler was
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: brought into our production meeting, and you could tell all
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: he really wanted was a chance, a chance to prove himself.
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: Now he's going to get it as a starter in
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: a Jaguars uniform. Well, and I asked him the question.
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: It was, you know, it was a leadoff, just sort
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: of a big broad question. How different is it for
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: you here as the back up in Jacksonville, then it
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: was in Cleveland, and I expected him to go to,
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: you know, better team, higher expectations. And what he went
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: to is he thought this was a better place for
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: him because last year in Cleveland, as they kept losing,
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: he thought he deserved a chance. That John Kaiser was
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: struggling mightily. Um Kessard started eight games the year before
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: for the Browns, and he thought, I'm going to get
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: my chance. I'm going to get my chance. Monday after Monday,
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: he thought it was coming in. It never did one thing.
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: He believed that he would get here was a fair
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: shot to be his best, his best, he hoped. And
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: he told us this. He hoped that that didn't mean
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: that they were benching Blake because he wanted to win
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: after an o N sixteen season, he wanted to be
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: on a winning team. But no doubt that he now
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: feels like he's being given a chance to prove himself.
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: And you play in this league because you want a
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: chance to prove yourself. Third round pick or not Cleveland
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: or Jacksonville, you want to play. I thought it was
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: a very telling answer. It's about a five minute answer.
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: I mean he just sort of gave us the entire
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: background that day. Yeah, expunged, but neither one of us.
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: I thought we'd see it this year. No, and we
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: didn't think we'd be seeing it almost in December that
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: we were gonna be talking about a production meeting in
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: August where we were talking to you know, he's got
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: a nice arm. Uh. He is a smart kid. He
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: understands the offense. There have been third round picks that
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: have come out of nowhere. There have been second round
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: picks that have risen UH into starting rules. I don't
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: want to put a cap on this and say, well,
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: he's just to fill in, right. I expect that the
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: Jaguars will draft a quarterback next year. I think you
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: have to for the reasons that we just talked about
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: you have to get with the modern era, the moment
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: in the NFL. Let's leave it at that where it's
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: throw throw, throw, it's score score score. Um, so I
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: think they do that. But Casler has got a five
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: game audition here to show us what he's got in stature.
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: You look at the guy and you said, well, he's
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: not very big, is not He's not big like Blake
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: is big like the modern quarterback. But then Drew Brees
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: isn't very big either if you've ever seen him. And
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: he got it done and he found a way to
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: get it done. So let's see what Cody Kessler has. Um. Again,
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: he's not He doesn't have Leonard for net so he
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: doesn't have the best offensive player on the field. Um,
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: he doesn't have the starting offensive line. He's got a
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: pieced together offensive line. I don't know whether Chris Redal
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: start at left guard or if Josh Walker, who's more
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: of a guard than a tackle, but who was starting
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: at left tackle before he injured his foot, might step in.
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: Who knows what they're stuff Their process will be here
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: for the offensive line, but who knows what Scott Milanovic
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: has planned. Uh My guess is they're working hard at
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: it today though. Yeah, I think he's gonna have a
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: busy week. And you talked about not putting the cap
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: on it. This is all on him. You talk about
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: getting these opportunities in the NFL, and as a quarterback,
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: you hope one day that you will get this opportunity
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: next five weeks. It's all what he can do. Maybe
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: he can get something done. Uh, expectations, temper them, don't
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: happen right for them, and let it see. Don't see
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: what he might have So nice analysis, Thank you. Let's
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: go ahead. We're still waiting Jeff Logoman, who were told's
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: gonna be in a little bit early today. We'll find
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: out when he rolls in, we'll put him right on.
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: How about to take a deep breath Tuesday? That this
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: will be an unprecedented take a deep break, say that
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: every week, that this couldn't be more of a take
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: a deep breath Tuesday. But oh, after last yesterday's news,
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: I hope next week we're not saying that. Yeah, we'll
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: see first, take an eat breath Tuesday. Replying to the
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: Jaguars news from yesterday, you finally make the right decision
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: on getting rid of the offensive Cordiner and you bench
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: Bortals only through the job. He was told maybe you
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: could find some a lineman and give him time to
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: throw the ball. Well, if that's the logic, if that's
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: the rationale that he needs more time because the offensive
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: line is there, then how do you fire the offensive coordinator? Right?
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: How is that? How's that on him? We go back
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: and we talked about it last week with Jeff that
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: the play call where Blake dropped and had the slant
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: in the second quarter to Ante Moncrief. There completely, he's
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: entirely open, it's a first down, plus he runs for
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: it gives you a chance maybe to score a touchdown. Um,
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: that's not his fault. Leonard for that third and five
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: right called the right play, doesn't run the right direction. Yeah,
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: So if you think that Bordles didn't have enough time,
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: then neither did the offensive coordinator. This was an all
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: or nothing sort of thing, and it tells you it
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: wasn't all the play calling. They just needed to do
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: something different. Maron said it was a package Jill, He's
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: been thinking about it for a while and it had
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: just had to change and they did it. Take a
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: neat breath, bonding all right, take a neat breath Tuesday
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: number two. Well, I think it's a case of little,
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: too little, too late. The season is over, so evaluate
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: the young talent, see what veterans you walk one off
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: defense to return, get ready for the two thousand nineteen draft,
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: and get your wish lists fulfilled. Well, I mean that
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: is obvious, and we've been talking about it. I mean, now,
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: it's about finding who your core players are so that
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: next offseason you can go in and retool. I don't
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: think this is a rebuild, although when you bring a
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: quarterback on it certainly feels that way. Uh. And and
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: we're assuming at this point, because that's what you're doing,
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: we're assuming that that's what the case is going to be. Um. Yeah,
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: But they can't think that way. They have to think
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: about winning and and the idea and we'll just say
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: it right now. The idea that players and coaches care
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: at all about what you'll do next offseason in the
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: draft is set it to the side. They don't care.
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: They care about free agency because that impacts them. They
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: do not care about the draft. Do not even say
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: the word draft. Don't there's a line, there's a delineation, right,
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: Uh And I say this every I've said a lot
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: in the last ten years. Um, go out and play
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: and play to win. But if they don't win, you
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: the fans, you can see. The bright side is is
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: that you're in a position to get the players that
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: you need. There is a bright side to that. But
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: for the coaches, the players, for Tom, for Dave, that
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: whole crew, it's all about winning. They don't care about
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: the draft. Now, Tom and Tom and Dave, they do
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: care about the draft, but they would rather win games
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: than have a higher draft pick. I don't care about
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: the draft of this. They don't care about it at all.
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: They just want to win. So you, the fans, us
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: in a media role, can have the conversation about draft
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: picks and where you are and who you might take.
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: They're not doing it. Oh, the scouts are because they're
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: getting their board ready. But but just no, they aren't.
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: They aren't the players. Don't you know the old suck
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: for luck thing, right, I mean, that's no way they
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: know how Okay, last, take a deep breath. Tuesday. Marone
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: needs to go to He's always been mediocre and coaches
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: with his style and approached are a dying breed. We're
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: loaded on defense. Let's find a younger offensive minded coach. Um. Yeah,
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: So Doug Moron knows this stuff is coming. He's been
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: around the league long enough. He says it every Tuesday
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: in his press conference. Uh, he understands what this is about.
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: And so Ryan, who is rum Here's the thing I
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: would say. He coached with Sean Payton and coached with
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: Drew Brees. He knows what high octane offense looks like.
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: He also understood the situation when he took over here.
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: He had a stacked defense. They had the opportunity to
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: win games with a specific style and win now, because
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: let's face it, all the years of losing had worn
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: down this fan base and worn down this franchise, and
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: what really needed to happen was win. They need to
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: win with what they had at that moment, right, That's
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: why they made and get ready for this. Should have
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: drafted Watson, should have drafted Mahomes. That's what happens now.
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: No one was saying it last year when you're in
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: the a f C Championship game, and no one was
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: really saying it this year before this thing fell apart.
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: But now, obviously with hindsight, that will come to pass.
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: I'll just say this, Doug Morone knows how to play
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: high octane offense. He has seen it in his career.
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: They will, obviously, Tom often alluded to it on the
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: radio this morning. They will obviously go about finding a
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: way to compete with the Kansas Cities, Houston all of
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: a sudden, New Orleans of this world Rams. They can't
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: afford not to. They have to go forward. Their style
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: now has to change somewhat, right, But you look at
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: the past and when dun Brown became head coach, he
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: was using the tools he had, the tools that he
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: knew would be successful. But it brings us back to
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: something that I've been saying. If you go watch the Rams,
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: I mean really watch the Rams. And I'm not sure
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: how many of our folks here have have watched a
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: full RAMS game. Everything goes through the running back there.
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: It's just that they have Jared Goff and Todd Gurley
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: and Brandon Cooks who are all playing at an insanely
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: high level this year. But it's all built on play
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: action in the running game out there, So it's not
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: as if they went back to the Stone Ages. It
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: just feels that way when you watch Patrick Mahomes and
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: Drew Brees. But if this offense functioned the way that
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: they expected to, it would look a whole lot more
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: like the Los Angeles Rams than it does. That's that's
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: what you're moving towards. That's the track that you're on.
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: It just doesn't look anything like that because you don't
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: have Jared Goff handing off to Todd Gurley and throwing
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: down the field of Brandon Cooks. You're lacking weapons. Yeah,
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: you don't have the weapons Robert Woods, that whole crew.
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: So uh to say that Doug Marron has to go
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: because he's got a stone age offensive mind, Um, it
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: lacks perspective, it lacks broadness. Um, just remember, take a
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: really deep breath. Okay. Jeff Laghaman just walked into studio.
• 36:30
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• 36:32
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• 38:19
  Speaker 1: we are back on Jack's drive toime. Jeff Loghuman joins us. Now, um,
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: it's your thoughts on on yesterday now a day removed
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: from it. How have you digested it mentally? Which part? Yeah,
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: we have. We have a lot of elements. Let's start
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: with Nathaniel Hackett because that was the first time that
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: surprised me for two reasons. One, Nathaniel Hackett and Dug
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: have a history. And and look, if you're the head
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: coach and you're an offensive mind and your executive vice
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: president football Operations is an offensive mind, haven't they contributed
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: to the game plans so far? And so I think
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: everybody probably has to take a little bit of a
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: hand of responsibility in that. And uh so to to
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: pinpoint one guy, it doesn't seem fair, but I also
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: understand why they did it, that they're trying to do
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: anything to stop what is a seven game losing streak.
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: So I get it, but I just want to be
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: very clear that they're responsible for it as well. And
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: I think it would be nice to have somebody say
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: that from within the organization. I think so so uh
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: from that standpoint, and I feel for Scott Milanovitch and
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: whoever's got to try to do it for going forward.
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: You're your left tackle, fourth left tackle, You're on your
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: second left guard. This week you'll be you already are
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: on your second left or your center, and then you
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: on your third tight end and your fourth tight end.
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: Your right guard is limping with a hamstring. He's gotten
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: it out. So and you now you don't have Leonard
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: for that, who was suspended last night. You got the
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: news he deserves to get suspended. Yeah, you know, I
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: think I thought he should have got suspend in for
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: two games. I think the league needs to be take
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: a stronger stance on that kind of thing. I told
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: the story a few minutes ago, but I was standing
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: there right next to Leonard Is. He raced off the
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: sideline and I turned to somebody said this one is over,
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: because I knew he wasn't going over there to play peacemaker.
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: He wasn't going over to separate it. He was going
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: over and I thought, he's gonna get fish and he
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: swung instantly. Was gonna get suspended. It is not a
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: stretch to say they win the game if he stays in,
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: because you're gonna score first of all, to get to
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: I'll get to the first and goal at the one
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: in just a second, because I tell straight to that
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: last night on Jaguars All Access. But to to leave
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: the bench area, I think part of that was precipitated
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: by for Net was somewhat of a verbal verbal target
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: in that ball game. And I'm sure that the Buffalo
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: Bills defenders or we're doing what I would have done
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: as a defender. And then I've watched the previous two
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: games and I see Leonard four Nette has turned down
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: some opportunities that being physical. So I want to find
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: out if emotionally in physical league, can he be a
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: tough guy in this game, knowing that he is the
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: most important component to the offense. So I'm gonna I'm
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: gonna test him. I'm gonna test him mentally. I'm gonna
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: test him physically, and I think that's what the Buffalo
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: players we're doing in that game, which led up to
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: a little frustration that he was having that led him
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: from maybe run across the field and do what he did,
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: which was inexcusable. So now he's ejected first in goal
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: from the one Carlos Hyde is in the game, and
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: Carlos Hyde is not the goal lineback. Leonard Fournette is
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: the goal lineback. Well, Carlos Hide runs the wrong way.
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: He goes to the left and following Tommy Bohn and
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: when it's a split dive where he's supposed to go
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: to the right and get behind Norawell, who's the pulling
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: guard from the left side, going to the right side,
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: so it's an easy walk in score of Leonard Fournett
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: is available there, New Year up by seven. Well, that
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: doesn't happen, and then you have the penalties that miss
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: field goal. The next score by the Buffalo Bills, you're
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: talking about a fourteen point swing. Jeff, it felt like
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: the momentum was was physic call that it was cascading
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: out of the stands onto the field. When Josh Lambeau
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: walked out to kick the field goal. I thought, this
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: gonna be tough. This is going to be a miss.
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: I just and this is a guy that doesn't miss
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: very much. But there was so much. It was all
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: literally it felt like a breeze. And there was already
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: a win there, so the moment just swung against him.
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: Let's let's move on because we know what this is,
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: um Cody Kestler. Again, he doesn't have all these weapons?
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: What what? What? What are they gonna do with Cody
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: Kessler in the lineup that's different than they did with Blake?
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: Are they just gonna run the same thing you suppose
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: and hope that he runs it better. Okay, first of all,
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: we all understand that the components are weakendan Yeah, you're
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: now left tackle, second left guard, second center, third tight end. Okay,
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: all those things with second running back. Okay, that's the deal.
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: But I think in this past game, because last night
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: I showed three of the six plays at Blake Bortles
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: had that were bad, and some of them are just
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: they're easy. I mean they're not hard. I mean they're
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: hard for me or you are actually you, I mean
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: we we can't throw the football twelve yards and do
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: it accurately sometimes right at all. An NFL quarterback, that's
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: what they do. That that's supposed to be easy. And
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: there's some things that are supposed to be easy for
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: Blake and they're not easy. A stick route, a simple
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: stick route. The interception at Milano had the linebacker for
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: the Buffalo Bills that went off the hands of Keelan Cole.
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: It's a stick route on the number. How hard is
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: it for a quarterback in the NFL to drop back
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: and throw a ball at a location in a timely
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: fashion and accurately with an uninstructive pocket and an uninstructive
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: view that that should be easy, but for Blake it
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: hasn't been. And uh so you hope that Cody Kessler
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: can make that play the slant route two weeks ago
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: against the Pittsburgh Steeler where Blake than then uncorked. We
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: think that maybe Code Kesler can make that. So so
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: I'm not saying that Cody Keussler is going to be
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: dramatically better, but you hope, I think, and what their
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: hope is is that Cody Kessler can make some of
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: those easy plays and at least make it better and
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: give themselves a better opportunity at winning and uh and
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: hopefully he has components around him that don't start to
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: fall more by the wayside, because when you're losing and
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: you're not playing for quote unquote anything, sometimes injuries take
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: guys out of the lineup quicker than they should, Guys
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: who are nagging all of a sudden, if they don't
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: work too hard to get back, they end up on
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: the reserve. That's that is December for a team that's
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: not contending. Um, this just happened. So information decisions, it's
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: all outside of our purveyance, But gut reaction is Blake
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: boils done in Jacksonville. Yes, it feels that way to me.
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: For whatever a feeling is worth that they've got to
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: move on and they've got to You can't compete with
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: the young quarterbacks in this game and the way that
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: they're throwing the ball with him, that you must go
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: and get one of those guys. And it may feel
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: like a step back, but if you don't, you'll be
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: years behind the Patrick Mahomes and the Deshaun Watson's of
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: the world. Well, the young quarterbacks, they're slinging it all
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: over the field. Well with with Blake. Here's the thing.
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: You benched him one time in the preseason, which was
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: last year, and it worked. You pulled him out of
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: a game this year. You now have benched him this year.
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: You have your now on your fourth play caller with
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: Blake Bortles. Okay, at some point you need to realize that, hey,
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: three offensive coordinations now on the fourth play caller, that
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: maybe it's not the play caller, or maybe it's not
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: the coaching, maybe it's the one that's being coached. So
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: I think that realization probably is hit. And I think
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: the disappointing thing is is that coming off of and
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: hindsight is always perfect here and we all understand that,
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: but at the end of only sixteen, with the opportunity
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: to evaluate this roster and evaluate blake portals, you had
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: an opportunity there to say, Okay, you know what, maybe
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: maybe we should take a look at improving that position,
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: but you kind of doubled down. I was just about
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: to use that very phrase and you dropped that fourth overall.
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: And then you've really doubled down again with the signing
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: of Norwell when you and and I'm like, I know
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: it's hindsight, but you could say, we could have Deshaun Watson,
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: we could have Patrick Mahomes, and so it's gonna be
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: a very popular refrain in the offseason. And and can
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: you pass on the next generation of those guys there there?
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: So you can't, you can't anymore. And you you missed
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: that opportunity one time. And I'm not saying that Deshaun
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: Watson and Patrick Mahomes are gonna be Hall of Fame
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: quarterbacks or generational quarterbacks or franchise type guys. But right
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: now it looks like they are winning. Yeah, they are.
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: Looks like they are. And we all have seen, you know,
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: people are looking at the draft next year and they're saying, well,
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: there's you know, there's only one guy and he's a
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: junior and has but there are more guys. And if
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: if you're studying and you talk to people, the guy Duke,
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: the guy at West Virginia and it's too early to
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: start analyzing this, but if those guys climbed like Carson
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: went Stead a few years ago coming out of North
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: Dakota State, if those guys start to climb and you're
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: in the top ten, you, in my way of thinking,
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: you have to be willing to take the opportunity to
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: move into a different era of footage. Yeah, and took
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: to kind of make the argument on the other side
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: because you know, I'm not saying that to criticize the
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: Jaguars organization as far as Dave Caldwell and Tom going forward,
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: because I understand that. Look, they had a belief that, Okay,
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: we could put a lot of energy and resources on
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: the defensive side of the ball, and we could surround Blake.
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: He can be serviceable. We can surround him. That allows
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: us to spend more money on defense, and then with
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: four netlas get a stronger run game. We can make
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: him Blake better because we're going back to fifteen. There
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: were some things about Blake we loved, we love. We're like, wow,
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: you know how many touchdown passes do you throw? Like
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: Tom Brady asked so. And then again this year with
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: with the signing of Norwell. Look, he just came off
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: of an a FC championship game. Don't understand why they
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: did it. So I get it, I get it, But
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: at the end of the day, it didn't work, and
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: you can't focus on that anymore. You've got to find
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: a plan forward, and that's where they are right now,
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: it's time to move on. Just a couple of thoughts
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: before we let you go, because they know you're headed
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: to do radio defense. It sure seems is if you're
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: going to find a way to win a game here
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: in the last five weeks, you're gonna have to lean
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: on those. It's got to be the side of the
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: ball that that makes it happen. Do you have any
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: sense that that's coming based on what you've seen in reason,
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: they're capable. They're capable. Look there, that's that's a very
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: talented unit. I feel like we've said that so much
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: and they've let us it is. We're saying it a lot,
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  Speaker 1: and we're saying it more than we're saying because you
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: know what we want to be saying. Boy, they're a
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: really good unit, and they're are pretty good. I mean,
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: don't get it, don't they're they're good, Ben Roethlisberger. In
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: the first three quarters, we would have said the exact
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: same thing. But the the explosive plays that they're giving up.
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  Speaker 1: I think Doug made a great point yesterday when he
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: talked about the explosive plays and that the explosive plays,
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: if you look at it from a number standpoint, they're
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: not very high. In fact, one of the better teams
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  Speaker 1: in the league a given up explosive plays. But the
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: problem is that the explosive plays the Jaguars are given
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: up our seventy five yards and sixty yarders and whatever
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: else they've been. I mean, they're big ones. So that
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  Speaker 1: has to stop. The mental errors have to stop, and
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: that's I think the disappointing thing is that a lot
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: of those explosive plays have been a result of of
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: a mental error. Which that's not winning football. Mental errors.
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: That's not the way you're supposed to win games. Get
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: physically beat fine, but not not a mill error. That's
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: not the way. That's too easy for an opponent, way
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: too easy. Final thought, how do you create an air
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  Speaker 1: of accountability if you're Doug Marone in that locker room,
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: because we all know even I'll give you a great example.
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: Ronnie Harrison, young talented player. I know they think he's
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: got a very bright future. They pull him off every
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: once in a while and say, hey, you got to
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: settle down your way too out on the edge here,
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: you're gonna find yourself with the fifteen yard penalty. You
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: gotta back off. He kind of follows the lead of
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: a unique or a televin to play right on the edge. Um,
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: how do you how do you create the sense of
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: we've gotta play more discipline, We've got to be more disciplined.
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: If you're Doug, I think that is that is the
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: number one priority in the off season is to re
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: establish that. And it's not gonna be easy because here's
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: the reality. Jalen Ramsey, he likes to talk a lot,
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: and I think he disrespects the game when he does that.
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: I think he disrespects certainly disrespects other players in the
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: National Football League, and I think it it's it sends
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: a bad message to the team when you do that,
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: because he talks in the off season and you have
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: players that talk on the field too much. I see
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: Telvin Smith talking trash on the field much. Look, I
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: understand that that that can be part of the game,
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: and it's part of the verbal gel steam that happens.
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: But I just remember going back to the Kansas City
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: game and Jaguars are down by three scores and Telvin
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: Smith is talking junk to the Kanna c Chief sideline,
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: and I'm going, wait a minute, if you're on the
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: Kansas City sideline here going to come back to the
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: huddle because you know what, look at the scoreboard. Hey,
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: how about two weeks later when when the Cowboys blow
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: the doors off of this team and score forty points
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: and Talvin comes in and says, y'all, cam panic, I'm
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: not I know what this team is. I thought, whoa
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: your leader? Team is on his way to losing seven
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: in a row. You're a leader. You have to come
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: in with a little more mental discipline than to stand there.
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: And I think that's a problem, Brian. I mean we're
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: talking about you know, Jalen Telvin, your leaders. You're highly
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: paid ladies, you know, and those are the guys that
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: you want them to be. Uh. I hate to keep
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: saying this, but that's the that you want. Clay's Campbell's
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: I mean, that's the guy that is a pro and
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: and he needs to do. You have to need to
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: have more of those types. And Leonard Fournette suspended last
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: year by the team, this year suspended by the league.
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: I mean, come on here for net where's the sea.
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: There's don see that's different. I think you need I
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: think Cassie needs to be taken off me as if
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: I'm a player in that locker room. Got to come
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: from them, Doug said, And and I kind of don't
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: know about that. I mean, because you know what, if
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: you're the head coach and you're if you're leader of
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: the football team, maybe you grab Calais and say lead
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: this movement. I don't. I don't think you put it
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: on another player. I think you do. I'll just I
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: want to say one thing for Jalen because the last
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: since the the Cults game, he has stood and done
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: for remarkable for him media conferences where he has owned it,
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: explained it, and been willing to answer all the questions
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: as opposed to the angry, sullen uh pouting Jalen that
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: we have seen at times. I think maybe someone has
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: gotten through to him in a small way. And I
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: was impressed with him in the locker room in Indianapolis.
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: Once again, let me say this about out jail. And
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: I don't know if he necessarily owned it the Indianapolis stuff, No,
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: not that. After that, yeah, I think he I think
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: in his own way, he was humbled. And Jalen is
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: a smart guy. He's a young guy, and that's the
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: guy that you need to become the focused leader. You
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: need him to become caliss if he can become If
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: you can have your greatest player become a great leader,
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: then you have an opportunity at greatness. If you have
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: your greatest player that becomes a distraction and becomes one
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: that appears to want to be self serving, he can
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: be the worst thing that you could have. You hope
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: for the first you hope. You gotta work for that
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: now and then they are so Jeff, thanks so much.
• 53:47
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• 53:49
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• 55:43
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• 55:48
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• 55:52
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• 56:00
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• 56:10
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• 56:14
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• 56:16
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• 56:18
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• 56:22
  Speaker 1: the longtime starting quarterback, is on his way to injured
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: reserve with a thumb injury. He's a guy whose future
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: maybe in doubt and since um, he hasn't missed a
• 56:34
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• 56:38
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• 56:41
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• 56:43
  Speaker 1: Dalton might be one of those bridge quarterbacks for teams
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: looking for quarterbacks next year. Uh, he's got two years
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: left on a nineties six million dollar deal and they
• 56:52
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• 56:55
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• 56:58
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• 57:01
  Speaker 1: Rivers record setting day passes twenty five in a row.
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: Last night on no Westwood One, on the radio broadcast
• 57:08
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• 57:12
  Speaker 1: and uh, he went on and on and on about
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: Philip Rivers. Uh said, he watches other games, but Philip
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: Rivers playing out in Los Angeles gets overlooked. The Chargers
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: are eight and three and he is playing at a
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: huge level. And I spend a lot of time last
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: night talking about Philip Rivers. Great to see those guys
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: watching each other. You remember, well, you might not remember,
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: but back in the middle part of two thousand, in
• 57:37
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• 57:39
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  Speaker 1: other from a distance and squaring off in big games.
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: I got the feeling last night that he thinks that
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: that Chargers team is going to be still standing at
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: the end of this thing, and it could be Brady
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: versus Rivers And what a matchup that one sure talk
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: about earlier with Jeff about having those guys in the
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: locker room supporting other players in the league. That's what
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: you want, you guys like Clais Campbell and that absolutely
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: all right. Uh, interesting day yesterday, Yeah, tomorrow figures to
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: be as well. John Osier joins us tomorrow morning on
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: the show. We'll have big things for you. We'll have
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: agreed to disagree. We'll have ozone snapshot. Hey, Joe comes along,
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: as he does every Wednesday. He says, I might even
• 58:24
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• 58:27
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• 58:32
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