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Football at Four: Updating Fangio Situation; Deeper Dive on Eagles Offensive Scheme · Inside the Birds: A Philadelphia Eagles Podcast

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  Speaker 1: It is one of our last shows for the football
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  Speaker 1: season here this week and then next Monday we'll be
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  Speaker 1: back here to recap the Super Bowl and that will
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  Speaker 1: be our twenty twenty five football season all wrapped up.
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  Speaker 1: Right now, we're gonna wrap up the Eagles search for
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  Speaker 1: their coordinators, and then we got a little wrench in
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  Speaker 1: the wheel this weekend Jimmy Keemski from Phillyvoice dot com,
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  Speaker 1: which is where Jeff Moscher you can read a lot
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  Speaker 1: of his coverage of the Eagles and more over at
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  Speaker 1: Philly Voice dot com. We got a little nugget this
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  Speaker 1: weekend from Jimmy Kemski saying that Vic Fangio thinking about
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  Speaker 1: retiring and that the Eagles reached out to some old
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  Speaker 1: buddies John Gannon Mosch and Jim Schwartz in the possibility
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  Speaker 1: that Fangio called it a career.
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  Speaker 2: Where do we think Fangio stands.
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  Speaker 1: As this twenty twenty six off season is about to
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  Speaker 1: kick off?
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  Speaker 3: Well, I mean it sounds like, barring anything happening here,
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  Speaker 3: he's going to come back. I know Adam Kaplan had
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  Speaker 3: been talking to some coaches who were down at the
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  Speaker 3: Senior Ball. We talked about this on the podcast Inside
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  Speaker 3: the Birds that dropped this morning, and Caplin said he
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  Speaker 3: had been talking to coaches who got the Super Senior
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  Speaker 3: Ball last weekend. We're discussing this very fact that they
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  Speaker 3: were hearing that there weren't certain about pick Fangio coming back,
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  Speaker 3: possibly retiring at something that they talked about before. But
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  Speaker 3: as of now, and you know, the thing with Jimmy's
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  Speaker 3: story that's really interesting is that nobody from the team,
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  Speaker 3: no sources from the team, would confirm that he's definitely back.
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  Speaker 3: So it's hard to just one hundred percent slam dunk
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  Speaker 3: say that Fangio is going to be back, but it
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  Speaker 3: certainly feels like he is going to be, but probably
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  Speaker 3: just for one.
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  Speaker 1: More year, right, And if that's the case, he's back
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  Speaker 1: for only one more year, potentially the Eagles have to
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  Speaker 1: really kind of look at that and almost you think
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  Speaker 1: that there's a guy in waiting here or do they
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  Speaker 1: have to start actually looking outside the organization.
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  Speaker 3: Well, you know, being who the Eagles are. They will
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  Speaker 3: cast the Hawaii Net as they do for pretty much
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  Speaker 3: every research. But they've got two guys in house. One
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  Speaker 3: of them is Clint Hurt, a defensive line the defensive
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  Speaker 3: line coach who's been a play balling defensive coordinator before
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  Speaker 3: with the Seattle Seahawks. The other is Joe Casper, who
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  Speaker 3: is not called plays but he is sort of Vic's
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  Speaker 3: right hand man, hand pick successor perhaps he just became
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  Speaker 3: the defensive backs coach with Christian Parker going to the Cowboys.
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  Speaker 3: Remember he was with the Eagles in twenty twenty two
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  Speaker 3: when Vic was an advisor and hanging around and they
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  Speaker 3: had no previous ties, but Vick liked him enough to
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  Speaker 3: take him to Miami with him to be a safety's
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  Speaker 3: coach in twenty twenty three, and then back here in
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  Speaker 3: Philadelphia twenty twenty four. So victly like somebody just got promoted.
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  Speaker 3: He's a guy who's considered a fast riser in the industry.
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  Speaker 3: I'm sure he'll get in an interview if this were
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  Speaker 3: to be the case, and I'm sure he would be
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  Speaker 3: among those considered for the job.
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  Speaker 1: So you know the fact that John Gannonzane was brought
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  Speaker 1: up and Jim Schwartz, two familiar names. I mean, this
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  Speaker 1: sounds like, at least internally, that just got pretty serious.
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  Speaker 3: Well yeah, I mean, obviously I've got serious discussing those guys,
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  Speaker 3: and you know, it's some of it might have been
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  Speaker 3: just because they already knew from after the Super Bowl,
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  Speaker 3: if it was close to maybe hanging up at that point,
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  Speaker 3: the Schwartz discussion. I don't want to say that illustrates
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  Speaker 3: a rash panic move, but that would have been and
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  Speaker 3: that would be really difficult given that the team under
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  Speaker 3: Vick sanros and for a while, even before Vick has
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  Speaker 3: been transitioning to a three to four base defense and
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  Speaker 3: Shorts runs the four to three. Now, I will say
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  Speaker 3: schwartz defense over the last two years in Cleveland has
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  Speaker 3: really evolved. He is not the same kind of guy
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  Speaker 3: that we saw here when he was basically a four
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  Speaker 3: man rush you know, wide nine, cover one, cover three
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  Speaker 3: kind of guy. He's played a lot of different zones
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  Speaker 3: in Cleveland. He's blitzed a lot more, he's used the
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  Speaker 3: sky splitz, and it's good to see. It's good to
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  Speaker 3: see a guy kind of evolve with the times. But
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  Speaker 3: I still at the at the the crux of his
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  Speaker 3: defense is going to be a four to three base
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  Speaker 3: and that's not what the Eagles have been doing.
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  Speaker 1: Jeff, is this something that you think they you know,
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  Speaker 1: we still need to keep an eye on on the
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  Speaker 1: decision is just going to be something that goes back
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  Speaker 1: and forth, you know, through OTAs.
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  Speaker 2: And you know all that stuff.
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  Speaker 1: That he could get to training camp and say, you
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  Speaker 1: know what, my heart's not in it.
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  Speaker 3: You know, VIC doesn't strike me as someone who's gonna
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  Speaker 3: half half ass anything. Hopefully I can say that I
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  Speaker 3: think he will be investing if he's all in. I
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  Speaker 3: think that there should always be concerned guy has a
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  Speaker 3: foot sort of out the door or thinking about it.
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  Speaker 3: You know, they always say as a player, if you're
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  Speaker 3: thinking about retiring, you should probably retire. But that's not
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  Speaker 3: necessarily players have said that, But that's not true. Because
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  Speaker 3: Brendan Graham is coming out of retirement and done just fine, right, So,
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  Speaker 3: so I think that he'll be fine and invested once
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  Speaker 3: he's you know, one hundred rock solid deciding to be
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  Speaker 3: the Eagles defensive coordinator, which may have already happened. I'm
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  Speaker 3: not worried about sort of his mindset and that once
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  Speaker 3: once he gets into the mode you get, you get
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  Speaker 3: the full Vick Fangio. That's why I would expect.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, Jeff Boscher, of course the Inside the Birds podcast
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  Speaker 1: Philly Voice dot com. Uh and at Philly Voice, you
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  Speaker 1: guys covered the two decisions to me that the Eagles
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  Speaker 1: made last week. One the offensive coordinator. You wrote home
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  Speaker 1: run or strikeout. They took a big swing here with
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  Speaker 1: Sean Mannion and this could be either one.
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  Speaker 2: No one knows the answer.
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  Speaker 1: But what are the pros and cons of making a
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  Speaker 1: move like this, because if they made this move last
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  Speaker 1: year coming off a Super Bowl, I think people would
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  Speaker 1: have been up in arms. Now it's a little bit
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  Speaker 1: of a different situation.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, great question. Hold on, let me go bring up
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  Speaker 3: my story from last week. Second, now, I'm just gonna
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  Speaker 3: I did. I did, wrote write down several pros and
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  Speaker 3: cons to it, and I think that the obvious pros
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  Speaker 3: are that his influences in coaching that he's talked about.
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  Speaker 3: You know, Matt Lafleur in Green Bay is who he's
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  Speaker 3: coached under, the only coach that he's coached under, but
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  Speaker 3: he's played for Sean mcvay's I had a story out
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  Speaker 3: today right now on Philly voice that lists all of
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  Speaker 3: the coaches that he played and coached under in his career,
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  Speaker 3: And obviously the common bond of that is there's a
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  Speaker 3: lot of McVeigh. There's Lafleur, there's Kevin O'Connell in Minnesota.
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  Speaker 3: There's Stane Waldron in Seattle, who was from the lafleoor
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  Speaker 3: I'm sorry, who was from the McVeigh tree. So the
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  Speaker 3: basic what you're getting is a guy who is very
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  Speaker 3: familiar with the McVeigh slash Shanahan tree, which is where
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  Speaker 3: I mean, everybody wants a branch of that. Now. You know,
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  Speaker 3: it doesn't mean they're all going to be great, but
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  Speaker 3: there has been a lot of success from that tree.
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  Speaker 3: And what it does is it modernizes your offense. And
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  Speaker 3: you have to think that in some form or fashion,
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  Speaker 3: he's gonna want to bring these elements to the offense,
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  Speaker 3: which is under center, under center play action, timing and rhythm, offense,
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  Speaker 3: more different offensive concept, getting out of the huddle, quicker,
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  Speaker 3: some tempo, things of that nature that have really stalled
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  Speaker 3: with the Eagles offense over the last few years. You know,
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  Speaker 3: a lot more routes that are just more than hitch
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  Speaker 3: routes as well, the downside is there's funny, there's the
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  Speaker 3: obvious ones that he's never caught plays. He's only been
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  Speaker 3: a coach for two years. We don't know exactly what
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  Speaker 3: scheme he's going to bring. He's never designed a scheme.
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  Speaker 3: So there's a whole lot of inexperience that we talked
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  Speaker 3: about that you didn't think that this team could use
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  Speaker 3: at this point. Coming off in Patol, you felt the
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  Speaker 3: team he needn't experienced play caller. And one extra downside
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  Speaker 3: that I'll say is, you know this has been tried before.
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  Speaker 3: Kellen Moore was supposed to come here to bring fresher
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  Speaker 3: concepts to the passing offense and spruce it up. We
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  Speaker 3: all remember that press conference and Nick Ceriani said his
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  Speaker 3: offense had gotten stale. And while they did win the
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  Speaker 3: Super Bowl that year, it was not because of some prolific,
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  Speaker 3: amazing passing offense. It was mostly on the strength of
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  Speaker 3: the run game, obviously right, and in some ways the
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  Speaker 3: pass offense even regressed. And I don't want to hear
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  Speaker 3: about the championship game in the Super Bowl. That's two
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  Speaker 3: games over a seventeen game nineteen twenty gamespan that they
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  Speaker 3: played the pass offense was not good. So somebody already
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  Speaker 3: tried to do this and failed. Who's actually pretty good
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  Speaker 3: at this job and way more experienced than man hind
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  Speaker 3: Is as he takes this job over.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, And I was gonna like, that's show the other
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  Speaker 1: element in here, Josh Grizzard is also here. Now he
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  Speaker 1: was a pass game coordinator who became a offensive coordinator,
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  Speaker 1: and yet he doesn't get the job. He goes back
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  Speaker 1: to pass game coordinator. Can they marry those two together
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  Speaker 1: and doing so? Does that indicate to you that maybe
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  Speaker 1: Nick is willing to give up a little bit of
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  Speaker 1: this offense.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I would think so. I think that's that's
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  Speaker 3: the whole point. I mean, Grizzard's background is not far
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  Speaker 3: from Manions as far as his influences. He obviously he's
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  Speaker 3: actually coached under a bunch of different guys, but more recently,
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  Speaker 3: his last two years in Miami, he was there under
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  Speaker 3: Mike McDaniel, who, as we know, is a branch of
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  Speaker 3: the Shanahan tree, and then he went on to Tampa
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  Speaker 3: under Liam Cohen, who was a branch from the McVeigh tree,
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  Speaker 3: as I talked about, And then of course he became
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  Speaker 3: the play caller in Tampa. So he's got play calling experience,
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  Speaker 3: has play design experience, he has pass game coordinator experien
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  Speaker 3: and he has experience with two trees that Sean Mannion
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  Speaker 3: has experienced from. So there should be some symmetry in
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  Speaker 3: how they see offense and passing.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, but that's one thing motion I
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  Speaker 1: want to get your opinion on is the fact that
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  Speaker 1: they went and got one guy who played for McVeigh,
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  Speaker 1: one guy who played for McVay Kevin O'Connell and coach
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  Speaker 1: with Matt Lafleur. Then they bring in another guy who's
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  Speaker 1: coached with Mike McDaniel and Liam Cohen, and it's like
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  Speaker 1: these are way different offensive philosophies than what has been here.
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  Speaker 3: That's correct, That's the point, right. The point is to
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  Speaker 3: make this offense work better than it has really for
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  Speaker 3: the last three years, and not just to make it
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  Speaker 3: so that you need sat Pon Barkley to have a
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  Speaker 3: kind of year that you're just not gonna see every
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  Speaker 3: year from a running back. I mean, it was a
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  Speaker 3: historic year for sa Pon Barkley. I can imagine that
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  Speaker 3: with some offensive line improvements and some things that Saikwaun
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  Speaker 3: Barkley can have a better year next year than this season,
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  Speaker 3: but again, like you don't want to be you got
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  Speaker 3: too much talent on this offense and this roster to
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  Speaker 3: just have to rely on that to win new games
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  Speaker 3: in the sports twenty four to twenty eight points a game,
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  Speaker 3: until the whole point is to bring in a radically
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  Speaker 3: different offensive viewpoint because the head coach doesn't already proved
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  Speaker 3: that he's not that guy to do that.
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  Speaker 1: How does Jalen Hurts then factor into this? I mean,
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  Speaker 1: do you want wonder the fit with Jalen Hurts. Does
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  Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts say like, Hey, I'm the Super Bowl champion
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  Speaker 1: and this guy has no play calling experience at all,
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  Speaker 1: and now I'm supposed to listen to this guy like
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  Speaker 1: is that something.
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  Speaker 2: Here or not? Really?
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  Speaker 3: Hey man, my name is Kreskin. I cannot tell you
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  Speaker 3: what's gonna happen in the future, all right, You know
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  Speaker 3: that I can only agree with you that it's not
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  Speaker 3: necessarily the greatest fit. But that's only I hate. What
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  Speaker 3: I hate to do is put a lid on things
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  Speaker 3: or say that a capacity has been reached when I
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  Speaker 3: haven't seen it yet, you know, like, of course it's
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  Speaker 3: not the offense that Jalen Hurts has ever really run before.
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  Speaker 3: But well he says that its he can't do it.
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  Speaker 1: We're about to find out right on whether or not right,
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  Speaker 1: We're about to find out whether or not Hurt's has
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  Speaker 1: been holding them back or you know what.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, Like, if you're let these guys run ahead.
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  Speaker 3: I call it a potential downside, that would be an upside,
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  Speaker 3: And that's really looking at it from an objective journalist.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, nobody wants to see the Eagles fresh and
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  Speaker 3: purv as a fan of the team. But if you
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  Speaker 3: find out in twenty twenty six that Jalen Hurts really
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  Speaker 3: struggles from week one to week seventeen with this offense
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  Speaker 3: and the offense is not good, then that's going to
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  Speaker 3: force a lot of reckoning for the franchise. And then
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  Speaker 3: maybe they have to look into a different quarterback. Right
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  Speaker 3: if they feel like right like the offensive contest, but
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  Speaker 3: don't like the way the quarterback adjusted to it, and
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  Speaker 3: then you reach kind of a new era I guess
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  Speaker 3: of Eagles football. I don't think anybody wants that. I
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  Speaker 3: think they just want this to work. Manuing to look good,
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  Speaker 3: Hurts to look good, the offense look good and you're
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  Speaker 3: fine going forward, but the potential upside to a downside
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  Speaker 3: could be a starting over and getting personal at fits.
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  Speaker 1: It's almost like the Eagles have said, look, we have
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  Speaker 1: gotten by for so long doing the minimum. We need
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  Speaker 1: to find out what we have here to see if
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  Speaker 1: we want to keep going down this path.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean they've underperformed the most expensive offense in
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  Speaker 3: the NFL for the last three years, right, and they
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  Speaker 3: have under performed. I know they want a Super Bowl,
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  Speaker 3: everybody can say that until they're blue in the face.
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  Speaker 3: But they've underperformed offensively outside of some really nice spurts,
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  Speaker 3: and so I don't think Jeffrey money. Jeffrey Murray likes
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  Speaker 3: to spend all this money on his offense to see
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  Speaker 3: an average sixteen to eighteen point in the game. We're
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  Speaker 3: to see his passing offense in the bottom third or
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  Speaker 3: in the bottom five overall of the NFL. That's not
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  Speaker 3: what he It's expected. You need the ROI and this
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  Speaker 3: is one way to figure out if you need to
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  Speaker 3: blow it all up or if your personnel can adapt
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  Speaker 3: to a different offense.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and listen, you know, I think the fact that
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  Speaker 1: they bring in Josh Grizzard with Manion? Does that you know,
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  Speaker 1: if they just brought Manion in and we're only talking
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  Speaker 1: about him, are you skeptical? Does Grizzard change that for
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  Speaker 1: you at all?
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  Speaker 3: I hate to be diplomatic about this, but I think
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  Speaker 3: you'll understand where I'm coming from. I think there's upside that,
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  Speaker 3: I think there's downside. I mean, I think there's certainly
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  Speaker 3: the upside I mentioned is that you got two guys
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  Speaker 3: who come from similar trees whould probably see offense very similarly.
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  Speaker 3: The downside, and you know we've seen this before recently,
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  Speaker 3: is like when you get two guys and the one
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  Speaker 3: guy that's in charge of less experience than the other guy,
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  Speaker 3: and the other guy I would want to probably love
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  Speaker 3: to be a play caller again. Uh. And then you
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  Speaker 3: get this weird like if things aren't great for six weeks,
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  Speaker 3: do the Eagles do the whole to sign Matt Patricia
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  Speaker 3: thing and say, all right, Sean, you were a little
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  Speaker 3: over your head. We're gonna give the play calling to Grizzard.
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  Speaker 3: I don't want to see any Nobody wants to see dysfunction.
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  Speaker 3: Nobody wants to see any of that level of crap
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  Speaker 3: that we saw in twenty twenty three on defensive coaching staff,
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  Speaker 3: and that we've seen kind of in before in the
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  Speaker 3: history of this organization when things aren't going well for
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  Speaker 3: a stretch. So you hired Sean Manion. Let him do
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  Speaker 3: his job. If he thinks then you can reset it
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  Speaker 3: after the year. So I do worry about the dynamic
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  Speaker 3: between these two guys who've never worked together. But you
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  Speaker 3: know what, like you, anytime you're putting a new coaching
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  Speaker 3: staff together, there's probably gonna be a little bit of that.
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  Speaker 3: It's just that it's so fresh and raw right in
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  Speaker 3: Eagles to have seen kind of that power struggle from
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  Speaker 3: two years ago.
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  Speaker 2: No doubt.
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  Speaker 1: And Grizzard who baybas So, can you give some insight
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  Speaker 1: motion on the role of the pass game coordinator because
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  Speaker 1: you know he's getting lauded for his role as the
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  Speaker 1: pass game coordinator in Tampa under Liam Collin in twenty
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  Speaker 1: twenty four, where hey, he designed all the third down
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  Speaker 1: plays and they were fifty percent on that you know,
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  Speaker 1: how you know important? And what does the pass game
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  Speaker 1: coordinator actually add to the offense?
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  Speaker 3: You know, the funny thing is Keevin Patula was the
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  Speaker 3: pass game coordinator for the Eagles right in two thousand
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  Speaker 3: and twenty four when they won a Super Bowl. But
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  Speaker 3: you know, now everybody thinks he's the village idiot, So
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  Speaker 3: you can we can all talk about how important or
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  Speaker 3: how much influence the pass game coordinator really has. But
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  Speaker 3: I think Grizzard will be important and valuable again because
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  Speaker 3: Manion has not designed an offense, hasn't called an offense.
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  Speaker 3: And you know, I would I'd love to even see
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  Speaker 3: the Eagles have a senior kind of offensive assistant, although
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  Speaker 3: maybe that's what they consider Sirianni, but I wouldn't. I
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  Speaker 3: wouldn't be afraid to add another guy. But obviously the
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  Speaker 3: past game coordator is gonna have responsibilities. You just mentioned
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  Speaker 3: situational football. It could be third down, could be red zone,
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  Speaker 3: and it'll be air in the overall passing game. Like
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  Speaker 3: he's not just gonna design the pass game because he's
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  Speaker 3: the PGC. Because obviously, Sean Mannion a backup, I mean,
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  Speaker 3: a guy who's a quarterback by trade, is going to
• 17:17
  Speaker 3: have a lot of those responsibilities and he's gonna want
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  Speaker 3: to do a lot of things and they're gonna work
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  Speaker 3: on it collaboratively. But I imagine Grizzard will have a
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  Speaker 3: really big role in it too.
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  Speaker 1: If I if we were sitting here Jeff Mosher football
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  Speaker 1: apart right now and we're talking about Matt Naggi the
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: safer pick, would you feel that that was the better
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  Speaker 1: way to go?
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  Speaker 3: I think there would have been questions about Matt Naggie
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  Speaker 3: as well. Safer. Yes, if you think and play calling
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  Speaker 3: alone is the ultimate decider and whether a guy is
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: going to be successful or not, you know, I don't.
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  Speaker 3: So I mean, I think I can understand. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: we've seen guys play callers go other places and not
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: really farewell. And I just mentioned Shane Waldron. He went
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: to Seattle and you know, their offense got progressively worse
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  Speaker 3: while he was there. But he's kind of considered a
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: good offensive mind in the branch from that McVeigh tree. So,
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I can't sit here and tell you that
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  Speaker 3: if Matt Nague was in charge of the offense that
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: the Eagles would be this like explosive, prolific attack next year.
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  Speaker 3: I can tell you that they'd probably be prepared for
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: every single scenario and every single defense, but I don't
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  Speaker 3: know if that means that they execute at a higher level.
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  Speaker 1: Were you surprised that Andy Reid who came out pretty
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  Speaker 1: demonstratively saying this guy should be a head coach and
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  Speaker 1: no one's nibbled.
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  Speaker 3: No, I'm not surprised. I think people underspit. There's a
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: ton of respect for Andy. But I think people saw
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: it puffed firing or a change of direction, because Andy
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: kind of came out really aggressively saying, oh, we thought
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: Matt Nague was getting a job. That's why we went
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: and got Eric the enemy back here. But like you know,
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: the NFL, man, how do you know someone's gonna get
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  Speaker 3: a job? You don't. You don't know someone's gonna get
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  Speaker 3: a job. And he replaced Naggie before Naggi had an offer,
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  Speaker 3: which Naggi wound up not getting. So I think the
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: NFL was smart enough to see that Andy was bouging
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  Speaker 3: for his guy publicly, but was looking like he was
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: making a check.
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  Speaker 1: I agree I When Andy did that, though, it almost
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: felt like the Doug Peterson thing where he came out
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: and endorsed Peterson so strongly that Philadelphia got engaged, and
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: it was only Philadelphia that had any interest in Peterson.
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  Speaker 1: Nobody else did to my According to my recollection anyway, yours,
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  Speaker 1: you might be. I don't remember him interviewing for any
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: other jobs back in twenty What was that, twenty sixteen?
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  Speaker 3: Twenty so yeah, correct, correct, so no, yeah, twenty sixteen.
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  Speaker 3: You're right. And the Eagles, you know, this is why
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: some people have decided to just hit their wagon to
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: show amnon because the Eagles seemingly have a good track
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: record between you know, Sirianni and Doug. Of course Andy
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: Reid of hitting on a guy and giving a guy
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: a chance who doesn't not everybody else saw the same way.
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: Mike I talked about on the podcast today with Adam
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: at the end, look at the ten hires that the
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: NFL may you have ten head coaching opening. It's like
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: a third of the league, and if you go through
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: the list, it is just retreads and quote unquote hot coordinators. Right.
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: The only one that strikes you as somewhat egles like
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: and innovative would maybe be Micha Lafloor going to Cardinals
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: because he wasn't an offensive play caller. He was off
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: from the coordinator, but he did not fall a place
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: everybody else got hired was either a retread or a
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: play caller. It's like the league does not lun The
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: Eagles have all the success. The John Harboy is a
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: special teams coordinator, and then the Steelers hired Tom Land.
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: Tomlin had been a defensive coordinator for one year for
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: a six and ten Minnesota Vikings team that was not
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: very good. And in fact, Adam mentioned this Mike McCarthy
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: the year he became Packers coach, the year he was
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: offensive coordinator for the Niners, who finished thirty second, well
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: dead last in total offense. But they saw something in
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: him and it turned out to be a great hire
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: for the Packers. They win a Super Bowl with Aaron
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: Rodgers and everything. Like I look at the ten highers
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: of the around the league this year and I think,
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: you these teams are idiots, and any of the ten
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: guys higher. I just mean, like there's nobody willing to
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: take a risk anymore or see the farest through the
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: trees with these coaches. You know, six of these ten
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: guys are gonna get fired into it three years.
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: Well, and put it this way, when Andy Reid, excuse me,
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: well Andy Reid too, but when Nick sear Hini got hired,
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: I don't know anybody who's gonna put him on the
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: list of the guy who was gonna make it, let
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: alone win a Super Bowl. And here we are, right,
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: I mean, so you just never you just never know.
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: You go with what you think. And that's why Sean
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: Mannion's here is because most.
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: Quite frankly, as you said, the Eagles are swinging for
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: the fact that they think they are five years ahead
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: of being five years ahead. They think they found the
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: next hot guy. And it might mean they got him
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: for one year and then he's you know, out of here,
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: but they rather get him. Why he gives you the
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: one good year than let him become a head coach
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: and somebody else gets to prosper.
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's interesting that they came to that clusion
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: after they fell behind. Really, I mean, their offense has
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: really been behind the curve and stayle for three years.
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: And that's so Uneagles like to say that they were
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: behind the curve.
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: You know, well, they're behind the curve.
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: But in the end they interviewed two guys twice for
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: the same job and ended up getting them both.
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I met Matt. Being behind the curve led
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: to those two hires. Yeah.
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: Well, and by the way, that's worked out for them
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: in the past, because you know, as John mcmallan, I'll
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: give him the credit for this brought up. You know,
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: we keep lauding this the Eagles that, oh, they fouled
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: Nick Sirianni, they filed Doug Peterson.
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: Those guys weren't their first choices. You know.
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: The Eagles wanted to hire Macado and Adam Gaze and
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: they basically went other places. And then the Eagles had
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: a refocus, But Peterson and Sirianni were not their first options.
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: I don't I can't remember at this time who their
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: first option was when they hired Sirianni. You have to
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: remind me, because I'm drawing a blank right now, but
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: I don't. I don't recall a strong front runner for that. Oh.
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: I mean, I know they really liked Arthur Smith and
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: he took that job with the Falcons, but I don't
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: remember like sort of them getting left at the altar
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: by anybody. I know it was down to him and McDaniels,
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: and and they they chose Sirianni over McDaniels. As I
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: understood it.
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: Well, you had and and you definitely the you had
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: Gus Bradley in twenty sixteen, they end up with Doug Peterson.
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: Gus Bradley was remember get on the Gus bus. Everybody
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: was going down that direction.
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: I remember going.
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: So you had McAdoo who ended up driving down the
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: turnpike and went to the Giants. You lucked out there,
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: So you know, sometimes if you waited out the second guy,
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: the right guy kind of falls into your lap.
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: Maybe it's Sean Mannon, maybe it's not.
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: Should be an interesting season, Fangio, we'll see what his
• 24:03
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• 24:07
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• 24:10
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• 24:13
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• 24:15
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• 24:17
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• 24:22
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• 24:26
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• 24:29
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• 24:34
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• 24:38
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• 24:43
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• 24:45
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• 24:45
  Speaker 3: You know, a technic man absolutely look forward to it. Mike,
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