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Latest Interview of Elon Musk, Says Its OVER for mainstream media! · Elon Musk Thinking

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When you were in your twenties and you were envisioning the life ahead of you,
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What is it that you predict did you did you think about what it
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might look like? And is it at all similar to where you are today?
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No, I didn't think anything, Like SpaceX tells what happened. I
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well, yeah, so it's completely Yeah, I'm pretty my twenties. Yes,
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let's see. Well I termed thirty and two thousand and one, so
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yeah, I that was before the SpaceX was I've formed in two thousand and
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two, and that tells it was really technically incorporated in two thousand and three,
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but really didn't get going till two thousand and four. Some I think
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to two thousand fourth when where acre date tells the two three and both space
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Ex and Tesla when they started, I thought both probably failed. I gave
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less than attemptent chance of succeeding. But I thought, if you know,
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I made quite a bit of money from PayPal. I mean I was large
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a shareholder in PayPal, so and I had about one hundred and eighty million
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dollars and slab sad a lot of money. So I figured I just effectively
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just waste half of it on these foolish, foolish rocket and electric car companies,
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and and then it turned out they needed basically all of the money.
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So then I spent d up giving all of the money to SpaceX and Tanes
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and some of it to Sier City, and and they're still almost going back
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rupt in both Moss. So, I mean, I just really wanted to
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be involved in technologies that would change the world that was made on the real
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Bult. Well, you you certainly did do that. Do you think there's
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anything that people might misunderstand about you? No, nothing at all. I
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think I detected stork my storkcats mate. Never, never, I can think
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of something sarcastic. Well, you know, it's it's difficult because I find,
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you know, even on the small scale that I've experienced it, like
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I, I find it very difficult, and people miss misunderstand something about me
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and then judge me, and so I kind of want to correct them and
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have you sort of let that. Well, I mean, there's so much
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prendant about me that I actually don't even I can't even read it all.
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But if I would take a large portion of my day to simply to read
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all of the nonsense iCal e about me have grind about me over the years
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when I find the regular news or what it called the legacy media just depressing
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and often just uninformative or speaking of misinformation. It's remarkable how often there is
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just misinformation or just stopping information printed in what, you know, some of
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the biggest publications in the world. I mean, the Wall Street Journal is
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I think now printed three articles saying that I'm high all the time, which
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is really uh, like, I guess a compliment, because I mean,
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you are high in the yes from an altitude step. But I'm certainly fly
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a lot because my I'm flying around like a lunatic working by the way,
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not you know, going to my yacht or I don't have a riboland or
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or even a holiday home. In fact, more quite someone looked at my
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flight schedule and and put it to pinball music because I was flying around best
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around like so it listened. My flat path looked like a pinball machine,
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so I which I think, you know, it really makes it fear that
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you do have to be at work in person. You can't actually work from
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welm and be as effective. You know, this is some wor work from
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wim thing. Well, if I could work from wim I why why am
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I flying around all the time? I fly around all the time. It
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makes big dimples to be learned person. And I spent Yeah, so I've
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spent many a night in the factory Tesla SpaceX and well that most of the
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task. Its's been much more about a challenge on the Maine backroom front,
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and just it tells us just in general, been much more of a drama
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way, if that's still a thing. One can serning drama and queen a
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drama bonock, Yes so, and should posting lord Lord. I think I
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think that's the official title. I've heard that said in the media, so
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you know it must be true. Drama monoch, I like that that's you.
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So yeah, but it does it does really matter to be their person.
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I'm actually all that way to help when you're full space section testing the
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aids primarily Tesla actually and so yeah, well it's one of those things where
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I do think, like our humanity, I do think we need some face
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to face. I am crazy and I love working from home, but I
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also need to see people and brain You know, you can't really brainstorm with
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people, not you know, not fast to face, but in terms of
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like you know, you've stated many times that you're free each absolutist, and
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you bought this platform at least in part to set the bird free. And
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I believe there's even many means on that. So it's been about a year
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and a half and I'm wondering, you know, through this experience, have
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you learned anything about speak of social media platforms that surprised you? And do
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you think there may be there is a degree that's necessary, you know,
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in a private platform for a good user experience. Well, I mean it's
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been many things that surprise me. Having the amount of government control, of
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degree to which Twitter was acting at the beat of the many obs of the
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government was a surprise to me. They really were, you know, in
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my view, in my view that there were many violations, uh the First
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Amendment, which I think you're in Canada, but there is you know,
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there's no actual First Amendment in Canada, but there's one in the US.
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And you know, and and the government cannot exercise the factor control of the
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media. And the reason that man was pretty place is because people came from
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countries where you work forbidden to speak on penalty of prison or death, and
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so they wanted to have the ability to say what they you know, to
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speak really without fear of of severe punishment, at least not from the government.
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So so that that was, you know, that was really a very
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troubling discovery. And then I think obviously anyone who watches that Twitter was was
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very much controlled by far left activists, very far left, and you know,
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it was really controlled by a niche ideology that geographically is limited to the
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city of San Francisco and Berkeley, not even it doesn't even extend to the
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city of South San Francisco or Siddaly not it's Palo Alto. So so you
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know, a fall up niche ideology that would ordinarily be geographically contained was effectively
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piping that what you know, what most people consider it extreme, what most
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of the world night acs of the world there ideology was pipe was was pumping
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that to anywhere on Earth that would allowed what it to exist, So that
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you know, that's I thought it was. It was effectively one time,
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you know, so the world and so it's gonna get to be done about
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that, I thought it was. It was it was actually a civilizational risk.
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So you know, I think if if the United States does, for
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that that would be there's a nice people think, well, they'll they'll escape
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to New Zealand, no other place. It's like, that's that's not gonna
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that's not realistic. Canada will if a nice days falls, Canada is going
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to become a province in Russia. And I don't know what's going to happen
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to the other countries, but they're not gonna. They supply under the protective
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umbrella of the United States. The United States is this is a central fall,
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central tentpole that holds up the entire oedipus of Western civilization. So we
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just have we have to make sure that the United States is strong, that
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it remains democracy. And free speech is the bedrock of the functioning democracy.
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You cannot have a true democracy unless people uh can say that say what they
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want to say, and can and can learn the truth of things, because
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otherwise you're making we work based on a lack of information or a distorted view
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of information, and which can make the boage effectively meaningless because you don't know
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what to put on what basis to make you look. So I think this
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is something that is extremely important, and that's the reason for require Twitter and
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and I think we do want a fresh start hens the different branding and and
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and also accessibably a much broader system in Twitter, which is the name that
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made sense when you're doing a one hundred body character or short textual tweets.
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It was it was a bit like words some twittering away. But once you
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start having three hour videos and uh, what are your video calling? And
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we will be launching payments later this year, then the name no longer fits
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the you know, it would be like naming a company that has broad ranging
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products after one product three great sense to do that, And I think also
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think it was we want to leave. We want to sort of put the
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you know, free the word and let letter fly free and and and be
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something else. So sorry, go ahead. Yeah, So that's that's the
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reasoning for it. But do you feel that maybe like having now had ownership
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of it for a while, you know, you do have some regulations on
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the platform, you know, certain way to be, you know, and
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they're not all things that necessarily go against the law, right like obviously you
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know, threaten someone with violence, But some of the modern maat on the
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platform isn't really to do with things they're legal, like where's what's your perspective
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on that. Well, actually, the we really should be hearing as close
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to the low as possible, so and and really extremely I think reluctant to
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have permanent bands on people because I think opponent ban it's almost like the death
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sense, so that that should be a very rare thing. So you know,
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it's like like we you know it, and where were less of lives
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as a society, we would execute people with wider crimes or and now it
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comes inclusion, Well that's that's wrong. The crime should but the people should
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be inconstrated for some period of time but not forever, and they shouldn't be
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executed unless it's in the very extreme circumstance. So so I think that's kind
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of what we should be doing. And that doesn't mean at the same time
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that you just get to harass other people on the platform. Uh. They
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obviously have the ability to to mute from you to I'm getting around to getting
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rid of the block, but obvious the stronger mute. So so like you
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really don't want to hear from someone you there's not some way to get around
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and which you can just cute them entirely. So in general, if we
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are suspending people for or accounts for reasons that we'll go beyond the law.
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I'd like to know about that, because I don't think we should be suspecting
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people for reasons that whether there's not a probable legal interaction. Yeah, I
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guess my thinking around that things like it so I used to be, you
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know, I think really much more of a free speak absolutely listen to some
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extent, its still am. But when it comes to private platforms or just
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my engagement, because I used to respond to anybody no matter how they said
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to me, I realize, well, they're not coming in good faith.
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They're like, I can disagree with them on what they say, but if
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they're not coming in good faith, if they're rude, if they're attacking me,
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if they're disingenuous, I don't feel like I have a responsibility to engage
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with them, And you certainly don't. Yeah, you should have the ability
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to quite you know, to to meet them and have them not not bother
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you. And and you know, and if if I guess, we do
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see that there's like a coordinated attack two uh, effectively squash free speech of
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the platform, then that that would certainly be reasons for at least the temporary
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suspension of the accounts that engage in that behavior, and then those temporary suspensions
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would grow in length, kind of like when you you know, if you're
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having your password too many times on your phone, gives you longer and longer
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times. You can't just reforce hacket met you know, We've got we have
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a system now where it's give people a short suspension, then a lot than
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a longer suspension. Eventually the suspension length gets longer and longer if they keep
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doing it, and hopefully that serves as a deterrent to you know, bad
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behavior. But with full permanent suspensions, we really need to be a situation
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where someone is engaged in obviously you work broad or threatening like auto equivalently threatening
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violence. They're doing things that are just obviously illegal. Do you have enough
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people you think to be able to handle that or do you proceed using AI
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to handle you know, things like threats, like things that are in direct
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violation. I don't. It's not it's not a number of people think I
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think we need. Uh, we're all reorganizing a company and we are bringing
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like a lot of a lot of the work is done by sort of contractors
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in other countries, like for English language moderation, and they sometimes just don't
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understand the context of what's being said, so we'll we'll get too ready false
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positives or false negatives where they they should be doing somewhat temporary suspension and they're
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not, or they suspend someone because but they don't understand that it's an intematic
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expression that they actually will mean that literally. So we are fully up internal
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UH team are based in the US that I think we better have have a
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better under stating of what when when is you know, when when when is
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something something somebody really threatening violence versus something bigger speech. It's not it's not
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something a matter of quantity, it's it matters that people understand this, which
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we stain see Also, the the whole of reporting framework is byzantine, Like
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the whole flow of how accounts are reported and then what it's done is extremely
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complex and difficult to do to understand, even if you're yeah fufully aware of
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say a US colloquialism is so anyway, So we're building up an enal team
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and I think we'll be using that more and more, which should improve the
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plody. But yeah, moderation, but I always, of course that moderation.
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You know, it's like all things of moderation, especially moderations, because
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moderation is often the use of us short. I mean like when when when
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you know, obviously, when when organizations seek to engage in propaganda, they
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naturally use mistleeeding tongue because they are arguation propaganda. In fact, I don't
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even really like the name Uster and Safety as an organization. I mean,
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that'ssary. I would fit very well in George Owelbo. So in generally,
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I think it's like they don't show customer service or just you know, not
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much moderation. Now, it's true, I mean, I mean, I
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agree with you about the words that are being used. I don't think that
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they're always intended to be propaganda. I think it's something that sort of starts
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as part of the culture, and then there's this sort of feel like you
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have to use them. You know. Obviously, I've been in mainstream journalism
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for many years. It's not like anybody's ever said to me, hey,
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Catherine, you know you need to use these particular words. But you see
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them around and you see what each publication uses, and something that you are
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sort of taught is that you write in the voice of that publication, and
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so it becomes more dominant. This new language becomes more and more dominant,
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and people don't really think so much about why are we using these words?
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Why have they changed? Right? Yeah, well, I think there's almost
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like a attempting fates named something trust in safety. It's inevitably going to be
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kind of the opposite. Yeah, I think you want to have a new
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newful tone as opposed to something which if there's a ministry of trust and safety,
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would you would you trust that? Now we're talking for rebellion trusty called
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trust and safety. I don't million news. No, no, that's fair.
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And I think look when the whole Twitter files thing came out for me,
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you know, I'm comfortable with some moderation, but I'm also okayd with
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not you know, I think you want could go either way. However,
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when you have as a private entity, I think you have the right to
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do what you want. But when you have government organizations exactly telling you what
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to do, that to me like that that is where we are looking at
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censorships, even if they built it, when you have to do it or
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else, there's apply to thread there, but you know the I agree,
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yeah, Well, but where I'm sort of struggling lately. You know,
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people have always said, you know, senshine is the best disinfectants. You
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know, as a as a liberal, you know, it was always like
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freedom of speech is so fundamental in my very left leaning schools. That's what
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I've sawt and that was the value we had, and and I still,
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you know, obviously believe a lot of that. But when we're looking but
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when I think about social media structures, right, you have there's a lot
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of incentives that are for telling lies. And it's not just the media social
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media, and it's not just acts either. It's what it is is every
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social media structure, and it's humans. Right, Humans have a tendency to
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amplify. I think there are sensational there is incentivized outrage, and so I
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don't never well, considering that is the case, do you still feel that
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that statement of that the sunshine being the best disinfectant still holds true when you
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have basically, you know, lies spreading very very quickly. And I know
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you've tried to do really good, you know, I'm I'm I'm a big
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fan of actually community notes and I think that's one of these you know,
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you can help that, but by providing people with more information rather than censoring
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whatever, even if it's a lie. But do you think that that structure,
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you know, appeals to truth finding? I guess truth seeking in the
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sense that it's when things are exposed, you should be coming to the you
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know, the truth should come to the surface. But clearly doesn't always right,
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Well, I think honesty is the best policy actually, and so yeah,
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you have to make a choice here. Nothing's going to be perfect.
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Do whatever. You're on the side of free speech or on the size of
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censorship. I think we should are on the side of free speech. And
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while it is true that lives are often sensationalized and more interesting than the truth,
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over time, if you have free speech, people can at least get
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to the truth that they want to. But if you've got human sensors,
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well then you're lying on them and up and ate they're wrong, and it
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becomes a magnetical for activists, for people who back want to distort the truth.
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This is really the problem with having moderation, okay censorship is is that
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those who wish to distort the truth will naturally gravitate to positions of power and
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information control. So base letter Yeah yeah, so now yeah, so so
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this is what this is what happened at Twitter. It didn't start out with
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with activists being in control, but it ended up with them being because that's
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what they they literally, you know, it's like that's the classic say about
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Willie Loman, Why did you know? Why did you rop backs and said
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because that's where the money is? Well, so, well, why why
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did the activists go and become quo moderators and sensors Because that's where the influence
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is. So you can pretty much guarantee that that it will be a mag
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that any any kind of stistic or moderation is gonna be a magnetful for people
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who want to distorage and control the truth. That's that is what happened at
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Tweet. I mean, you're roth. Literally, I believe he actually tweeted
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that the reason he wanted to be in charge of trust and safety was because
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he wanted to he wanted to be an activists, Like I think he said
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that publicly. Here's any I guess that's a good segue into journalism because you
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know, this is something that I'm seeing more you know kind of came up
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with I had really greats, really people who valuated proof and called me out
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when I you know, be as my way in coffee and asked the right
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questions. But I have seen sort of the incentive to go into journalism,
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especially because it's not a highly paid field, right, So so why would
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you go into it? You either really really love something about it or you
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want to you know, you'd want to have a cause, and so this
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kind of active as journalist emerge. So as a result, I do see
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a lot of issues that we have these case as a result. But you've
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spoken a lot about citizen journalism, you know, and I've I've always been
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really supportive of the idea of citizen journalism. But at the same time,
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you know, there is the the sort of mainstream media does still have really
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good structures for collecting, use as the resources, as some sort of editorial
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standard, but it has undoubtedly lost a lot of trust. Do you see,
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you know, citizen journalism as being potentially just complementary. Do you see
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it as something that do you do you see way forward where the traditional mainstream
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media can rebuild that trust that a lot of it has lost. Because I
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still think there's good work that that some journalists do and some publications do.
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It's just there's also a lot that I think is fair to criticize. Well,
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I think actually that and the legacy media. I think it's correct for
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a firm as legacy media. It's really an inefficient way of humanity learning what
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is going on. It was it was a it's a it's a it's an
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old technology that was necessary before you add the Internet. But it is I
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think fundamentally inefficient. Uh. And if you're to simply everyone voicing their opinion
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and the most interesting opinions being serviced. But if you think just you say,
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like, well, just well, how does the media work. There's
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this whole number of prominent publications that write a small number of articles. They
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write articles about areas that they don't actually understand and where they were often not
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there or they were usually not there as a field, they are undersaid.
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So if they're in the best case scenario, you've got someone who it's denserving
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that the journalists is doing their absolute best to write an accurate article. That's
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something. There's still a lot an expiantal field and they're still and beast what
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character cases for it to actually there, So the biscus of that article is
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really going to be pretty bad. That's why, you know, if you
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really want to say, like how accurate is any given article, well,
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when you see an article that you actually actually understand the field or you know
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what actually happened, how accurate is that article? It's usually do you read
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it and say, that's actually not at all what happened. As usly,
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I goes, well, that's true for all the articles. It's not just
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true for the things that you're an expert, and it's true for all the
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articles. If instead we have a vast and large number of people who are
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expert in the field, who are who were there or literally are there right
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now, you've got I don't know, one hundred or a thousand or ten
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thousand times or sources of information. Source of information better be more accurate because
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they're experts in the field or I'm literally there, and and it's just it's
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really not something that legacy media can compete with legs. It's thinking like legacy
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media is like the fax machine, or like writing letters, like with the
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pen and paper, compared to the internet, Like how many people used to
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communicate by writing letters because that was the only technology available at the time,
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So the right letters, and back in the day it was with a quill,
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quite difficult, dry letter of the quill, and then you'd have a
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very slow often uh, your mail will get lost. But this is literally
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how the world communicator was. Like writing a letter, they would have to
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being carried by someone or our boards from one person to another. In NOL
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days, when they would declare war, half the country wouldn't even know that
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been declared because they didn't get the mail. So that even even in the
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in the US Civil War, there were battles that took place well after there
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was a peace deal side because they actually didn't know that a peace deal has
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been sided. That one of the last battles of the war I think maybe
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be last was right near our Star based launch sight in South Texas, and
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they brought a battle because they didn't realize that that the sides had actually declared
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peace. So that's kind of what youah with some version of that with the
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legacy media. I would challenge one thing though, speed is not always I
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think you know King. I mean, obviously you want breaking news to happen
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quickly, and it's it's important when it does. But and I think AI
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is going to help to some extent. But the reporting on the ground is
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really important. But when you go at a really high speed, you also
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have more chances of getting something wrong. Right, So when you have things
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travel really quickly and you've got the wrong information, I mean sometimes that information
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can lead to potential depth for you know, people making very bad decisions because
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they're relying on information that wasn't vetted. And even with journalists right like you
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see that happening. You might see a source for a story and then they'll
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copy it and there's broken telephone going around and because because it's traveling too fast
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and people are trying to get it out too fast, and they haven't properly
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verified the information. So I think it's important to sort of keep that in
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mind, especially when it comes to important stories. Right, Uh yeah,
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Well, I mean the media and is the Leasyvita has a striking clive problem
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where the revenue is to decreaseing, user decreasing, so they're actually desperate to
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get news out. First, you get news out, even a few hours
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later, you're gonna get much intentional So this has actually led to a rap
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or reduction in the quality of information made by legousy media. But for legacy
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media, the ability to actually correct things is basically zero. They can take
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to run a retraction, you know, a week later that nobody reads,
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whereas the past years online or like on on the X platform is corrected immediately.
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So yes, there may be an up art wrong things that are said,
32:00
but then they're just as quickly corrected, and the same cannot be said
32:05
on legacy media that's printed. In some cases it's corrected like if the community
32:10
note, for example, goes through And by the way I mean, and
32:13
this is not just an X situation, right, there's other social media platforms
32:16
that don't have things like community notes. So I find that things do spread
32:22
very quickly and there isn't always a mechanism for corrections. And I think,
32:25
look, community notes is it may be imperfect, but I think there's a
32:30
lot that it can do and a lot of areas where it can grow to
32:34
do better on the correcting of information. So I think and I agree with
32:37
you that with you know, one thing that I have a significant issue with
32:42
is that a lot of times when a media outlet makes a mistake, even
32:45
if they do correct it, no one sees that correction, and there's no
32:49
sort of accountability Like I'd like them to publish and say, you know,
32:52
we've made this many errors today and you know, this month, and be
32:57
really accountable about it to the readers, because I think would also benefit THEMB
33:00
because it will build trust. Do you see a world where you know,
33:05
you take like one thing that I've really enjoyed on X and other social well
33:09
X, because that's really the dominant platform for me. But when there is
33:14
breaking use of some sort you can get like really interesting people breaking it down.
33:19
So you might have somebody who has expertise in a particular area or maybe
33:22
lives in a particular region, and it gives me this kind of enhanced idea
33:27
what's going on in the news. So to me, I see it as
33:30
something that the citizen journalism aspect of it, or the community aspect of it
33:34
is something that to me seems like a great potential enhancement to traditional media and
33:39
perhaps there is a way for it to work better together. Do you see
33:44
that or do you see social media completely replacing sort of the conventional media format.
33:52
Well in a bed of what I think what has actually happened and will
33:58
happen recently over time, is is it's you know, it's sort of like
34:04
trying to argue that people should go from having email back to writing letters and
34:10
mailing them mailing physical letters. It's simply not going to happen. So it's
34:16
not it's not even I want this or not. I'm simply describing that legacy
34:22
media is a legacy. It's it's it's an inefficient and very slow means of
34:30
simiting information. And you know, like you can like civilization is is kind
34:37
of a group mind for humanity. The efficiency of your coach postaless kind of
34:42
a neuron in a giant brain, and the effectness of that brain is going
34:46
to be function of how well those neurons fire, how quickly they fire,
34:51
how quickly information trap goes round and is corrected. And I think legacy we
34:58
can no will compete with with internet media. Then then then written letters can
35:07
compete with email. It's simply that's a read just the fact. It doesn't
35:12
mean that nobody writes letters anymore. There are some letters written, but they
35:15
are niche, and legacy media is a niche and will macwy even more niche.
35:22
That's just a statement of fact. That's where I want it to be
35:24
true or lot. I understand what you're saying. I feel as though there's
35:30
certain things that media institutions do better than For example, if somebody is just
35:35
on social media and some people are spectacular, right, some people produce incredible
35:38
content, they take hundreds of of hours to do it, So there's always
35:42
exceptions. But if he wanted to report on a story, like I know
35:46
as a journalist, it takes me a very long time basically in proportion to
35:51
how much impaid for a story. It sort of gives me an ability to
35:53
spend more time researching it, speaking to more sources, really going to the
35:59
places. So there's certain kinds of journalism where it's like say, investigable pieces
36:05
that I think you have a bigger chance of getting a really good story that
36:10
you know, application might invest in just kind of like a movie studio invest
36:15
in Oscar kind of bait movies, even though it's not a money leader for
36:20
them, right, because they want that sort of reputational They want to have
36:24
that reputation for good movies, same as they want reputation for good journalism.
36:30
And I don't know how that would translate to the social media port where people
36:35
don't necessarily have those kinds of resources, including just tumming. Well, if
36:43
somebody is actually an expert in the field or literally was there, it takes
36:49
very little effort for them to actually inspire the situation. It's much harder for
36:52
someone who wasn't there or is not an expert look field to attempt to become
36:58
at least a slight expert with field or interview of watch people who were there.
37:04
That that one of saying is that that that that has no longer necessary.
37:07
You can now hear it directly from world class experts as on exit,
37:13
you can care directly from the best AI scientists and engineers in the world directly
37:20
problem immediately. But that information and in some ways it's good that information isn't
37:25
filtered, it's uncensored. And at the same time, when you have a
37:29
good journalist, that person is should be good at discerning you know, who's
37:35
who's a really interesting expert and let's bring different diverse points of views into this
37:38
story. So it's more than just you know, one person's opinion or a
37:43
few people's random people's opinions who might have expertise, but you know, haven't
37:47
done like a full sampling. Well, like I said, I think the
37:54
debate is somewhat moved because what I'm describing is simply what is happening and whether
37:59
one likes someone Wilse So, like I said, legs and media is like
38:05
like the written letter, like mailing letsons more a quill of pen or something
38:12
versus email. It's not that there are no more letters, but femails fast
38:17
and more efficient, faster, And that's just it's legs. The media is
38:22
just an old technology. I think it's kind of absurd that we print out
38:25
newspapers still. After all. Assign and my son Saxon, he was of
38:34
beings profound observations in the world, was sort of walking through the airport and
38:39
saw it was a Wall Street journal or something that had like, you know
38:45
that the bad Day's stage printed on it. And he was like, wow,
38:47
how did they How do they know it was today? I was like,
38:51
let's Saxon, they print that out every day. They make the newspaper
38:55
every day. It's like what you know, seeking so to see the absurdity
39:00
of a child like they've print this out every day, its justs and and
39:07
and then then he said, well, they're probably just they probably just read
39:09
the Internet and printed out. And I said, yes, that is indeed
39:13
what most newspapers dot. It is such a good descriptions are very good at
39:20
this. I have to say they discerned things in the most simple honest wee,
39:24
Well, you're the vast majority of news is they read something on the
39:30
internet, write an article in print at print it out. So that's just
39:35
the vast majority of news. So abus and very often it has had some
39:38
expost that they're writing an article about Yeah, that's look I I I certainly
39:45
have my criticisms. I'm also, you know, a biased observer given that
39:51
I am a writer, so you know, I am a little invested,
39:53
a little invested in saving journalism in some way. Though I do think there's
39:59
ways to move forward that are different than what is now because it's not working
40:02
as well as I wish it was. But one thing that I noticed,
40:07
like, so you engange a lot on this platform. You know, you
40:09
were very active. Everyone knows apparently I don't. I don't even want to
40:14
guess how much time you spend, you know, in the Golden stool tweeting.
40:19
But but in terms of one thing that you have is as the owner
40:25
of this plat worn and you know, somebody with a big following is that
40:30
you can amplify both certain ideas people and you do, and you know,
40:36
I know there's been a lot of criticism in particular both about the ideas that
40:40
you choose to amplify and the people that maybe you know might have checker past
40:47
so whatnot when the same point could potentially be made without them? And I'm
40:53
just wondering, like, how much thought do you even put into that?
40:57
Do you do you think, oh, I can't meet this this person and
41:01
you know, I'm not gonna not a literal notz but you know what I
41:04
mean? Or or because or are people like how much thoughts do you give
41:09
this at all? Well? This is like may sound sort of esoteric,
41:22
but like what I'm really trying to achieve here is to prove the signals noise
41:28
of the collective consciousness. So uh and and the and the bad word.
41:32
I can think of like the your next platform as being you know, all
41:38
these humans connected in the same way some similar way to to the to a
41:44
collection of neurons in the brain. You want to improve how you know,
41:50
the your increased signal or reduced noise and just just have that collective brain being
42:00
be better. Uh. This is why when you think of that way,
42:06
the absurdity of legacy media becomes apparent because it's slow and it goes through a
42:12
future points. Number of articles is tiny. It's just just obviously not the
42:19
future. So I'm trying to create here, like the over time, a
42:28
collector consciousness that I can think well clearly, that can think faster, that
42:37
that can reach more acurate conclusions. That's the goal. It sounds so esoteric,
42:45
but that is that is what I'm trying to achieve. Here is a
42:51
a better collective consciousness. Are you trying to move the obrigin then window?
43:00
Sir? Whichmond the overgin? I don't know how English is my third language?
43:07
Sorry, I guess is really a good yes? Let me speak quite
43:15
well? Thank you? What for us to well? Okay, So I'm
43:22
curious, like so, for example, you you once tweeted a meme by
43:29
Colin Wright about how you don't feel like you moved from the left politically,
43:32
that essentially the left left chain, And you know, I think there's definitely
43:37
a lot at to that because you know, affecting when we talk about something
43:43
like what they said it was a pretty liberal indeed it now and I'm wondering,
43:52
like, you know, but you seem to be one thing that you
43:57
do, you tend to focus more on things that might be associated with issues
44:06
that might be associated more with the culture wards what people call the culture boards,
44:12
and not necessarily focusing as much as on things like they housing or prison
44:16
reform or whatever you know, matter to you. Do you find that is
44:22
like? Is there truth to that? Do you feel like you've moved a
44:24
little bit as well? And are you trying to ship the conversation at all
44:29
to somewhere where we can discuss something really well. I mean that there's why
44:36
my personal account and then there's the company. I'm going to say what I
44:39
what I want to say on my you know, postal account, and I
44:43
said that before acquiring the company. I was most interacted with the account on
44:47
the Twitter platform before the acquisition. So you know, I'm not going to
44:54
I'm going to say what I want to say. Not to do otherwise would
44:59
be hypocritical, And I'm not going to inhibit my freedom of speech when I've
45:05
literally tried to improve greadom with speech that that would be absurd. However,
45:09
Uh, I'm not denying voice to those on the left. In fact,
45:16
I don't know of a single I can make bestomology. There's not a single
45:21
prominent left bring account that has been silenced, including some very extreme left wing
45:27
accounts. So if there are, I'd love to know what that will unsuspend
45:31
them. I'm mistaken now, No. But now what we have done though
45:37
is we're not uh engaged in aggressive censorship of what today is called the right.
45:44
And I think, you know, not that long ago would have been
45:45
called the water at left, So that you know, towards the end that
45:52
Twitter was really very aggressively censoring anyone on the on the right. I've said
45:59
deep platform sitting sitting president, and and so you had massive censorship of anyone
46:06
on the right. Uh where ten times when he accounts the right were being
46:10
suspended as counts on the left. And in fact, the only reason they
46:14
was suspending count of the left is when there was an argument between two segments
46:16
of the left. And it just sounds one of the segments of the left
46:21
because an argument between two groups of the left. You know, so like
46:25
Bernie Sanders was Hllary Clinton type of thing, so uh you know, so
46:30
so then you know what appears to be well, I guess it's it's not
46:37
really an appearance of liver to the right. The platform has moved to the
46:39
right because it was so far to the left before. And in order to
46:45
properly represent the whole country and living the whole world, you have to be
46:50
you have to be balanced, you have to allow the right to the left.
46:54
And sometimes these you know, definitions don't put exactly into a right or
46:59
left, they're just do you have allowed both sides with bay to flourish.
47:04
And previously, you know, previously under the prior, prior censorship regime,
47:09
they they did their best to suppress even water right will week so and like
47:16
so today's today's right waring honestly is was was was yesterday's water left so so,
47:25
like I said, so, it may appear like always wearing to the
47:27
right, but all we're doing is is being even handed and enabling a level
47:31
playing field for for all flights of youth than our leading. Yeah, I
47:37
think, And I think one thing is that you've been criticized where the top
47:40
one you've been criticize the lot we're coming. You know, it's very kind
47:45
of speech that people find very offensive. And I think part I don't know.
47:50
I can't measure if it's hyeing the global but all I can say I
47:53
have spirit state. That's said. I also think of what people throughout the
48:00
might common they they gravitate to one, to the platform where they feel like
48:05
they want to be thrown off. That might be believe that's so. I
48:14
don't know if it's like the platforms issue so much as it's like, as
48:16
soon as you allow sort of free speech, a degree of free speech,
48:22
people gravitate towards that, and that's just human nature. Yeah. Well,
48:30
free speech, I think obviously is meaningless less people you don't like are not
48:35
to say things don't like. Otherwise it loses I just lose all meaning.
48:42
And uh, you know, if if people want to move to another platform,
48:47
uh, they're well do so they're not changed to the X platform.
48:52
They will move any any time where they can duel boats or whatever they want
48:57
to do it. If we do if we do a bad job of creating
49:04
a level plank build or or even that that is perceived to not be a
49:08
level plank build up, obviously people will leave and they will post elsewhere.
49:15
But in fact, we have seen record usage of the system, and and
49:21
the lorms that I pay worse attentioned to the the user seconds as reported by
49:25
iOS and Android. That's the most rigorous assessment of usage. It's easy to
49:31
sort of write a lot of bots on a PC, but it's much harder
49:36
to do so on iOS or you know, iOS androids. So you know,
49:42
we're just we've seen a roughly twenty thirty percent grace. It's actually ruptly
49:47
proportion to the decrease and the legacy media view so legs, I think thanks
49:53
the media, yeah, fully formerly known as mainstream media. I saw I
50:01
think a twenty thirty percent drop in viewership last year, and we saw a
50:07
corresponding increase, So as we're doing something right. And I mean to me
50:14
that the platform seems very alive. We see more and more plantate creators made
50:20
more adding a tremendous value to the to the system and written form and video,
50:27
and and I think I think it's very healthy for ensuring the you know
50:38
that that the walk pursuit and people's voice is heard. I think things were
50:45
very well actually, So that's that's my perception. Least I could be obviously
50:51
raw, but it's it's it seems very good and I like I said,
50:58
you know, encourage people on the left or from all parts of the political
51:01
respectrum to continue to add their voice to the X platform. And and you
51:09
know, uh, you know, rather than be that than sort of leave
51:14
in a huff, it's better to rebut you know, arguments you disagree with
51:21
on the X platform where the right left or in the middle likesit. I
51:23
think the whole right left definitions it's an arbitrary but here to have a to
51:30
have a healthy debate various spade. And and that doesn't mean that at times
51:37
you will read things that offend you, in fact, but that's you should
51:42
bet a wast thing. It's actually good that I'm reading some things that offend
51:44
me because that thing is free speeches a lot. And that means that if
51:49
I say something that offends others, I won't be shut down. That you
51:52
give me a break covered. But it's also good to sometimes it is good
51:58
to be offended or offend because to make you think through ideas a little bit
52:01
better and wonter. Okay, why am I offended? I'm sure? Why
52:06
is somebody else offended by this idea? And how do they have points?
52:09
Or are they you know, are they Yeah, exactly, So you're sort
52:17
of an encouraged people to say. I mean, many times I'll read things
52:23
on the platform I'm quite offended and and I'm like, wait a second,
52:28
but that's actually, you know, it's good because I should be offendive.
52:31
I'm not reading things that occasionally more than more than occasionally actually that I disagree
52:38
with and uh, and that might change my mind once for a while.
52:43
I think it's important to always be open minded. They'll be too sort of
52:47
set in your beliefs because the odds that you are right about everything are zero.
52:55
That's why I said, if like, did you believe that everything you'll
53:00
political party says it's true, you're full rightly, and anyone who just doesn't,
53:06
you know, there's going to be things that your political party says that
53:08
are at least sometimes untrue. We're inaccurate, and so you want to,
53:15
you know, take things with a grain of salt. And I don't think
53:19
of it too much like it's not as people think. It's sort of in
53:22
a tribal way where you know, their political parties like their sports team and
53:25
you can do no wrong. But but really obviously it can. It's nobody
53:32
beasts a thousand to use this personology, so you know, so she wants
53:38
to be prepared to accept that. Yeah, you know, I'm not saying
53:42
you should change political parties, but that your political body will be wrong on
53:45
some issues. You won't be disaal disagreeful on some issues. Definitely need to
53:49
be able to criticize. These political parties are political parties because that's how they
53:53
would change. Right, If you don't criticize, they're not going to change.
53:58
And just one corruption, there is one human in the universe that never
54:00
gets anything wrong. That's me. Well, yeah, I mean, yeah,
54:15
you're stunning. I can tell. Well, I'm not completely unable to
54:23
detect spot sarcasm, so or uh, I mean, I find, as
54:32
you know, the old right get the less I think that I know,
54:39
and I you know, I would say I get like the less certainly animal
54:47
like things. And the more I realized there was roble about the stunning.
54:52
The other thing, I encouraged people to sort of like trying to try to
54:59
be more when minded as you get older, not less. Well, I
55:05
know you said that you very much. You know you want to be able
55:07
to use your free speech. But one thing your free speech does amplify it,
55:13
and so like I know that if I you know, if I read
55:15
an article like my my free speech in right clearly have more implement than who
55:22
doesn't have. And you know, especially when it comes to something like saying
55:29
you common and a lot of things like say geopolitics, right, do you
55:35
feel a level of responsibility that comes with the influence that you hold? Do
55:38
you? Or do you just hold yourself to the exact same standard as any
55:42
other even on this platform. Well, I mean I try to speak my
55:50
mind. I mean I try to say what I know, what I believe.
55:54
Let's not say that what I believe is that's really true. It's gonna
55:58
be around some degree. And if I am wrong, I try to correct
56:01
it. If others haven't already corrected it, or community notes is not correcting
56:07
it. You know, there's there's no special like I don't have the ability
56:12
to start the community note on on my account or anyone else's. It's just
56:16
important the community notes. All the quote is open source, all the data
56:21
is open source, so you can recreate whether any given note will be visible,
56:27
and so you can immediately tell if if I had a thumb on the
56:29
sale, you could see my thumb very clearly. So these people asked me
56:32
to get rid of a community notes, and I say, like, look,
56:35
I literally cannot get rid of a community note on on my account or
56:40
anyone's account. Well, you get a whole lot of them, so I
56:45
believe you. Yeah, I've got in a bunch of community notes, So
56:52
I mean I do. I do bost lots, So there's gonna be some
56:55
proportionality too. It's like about a average going back batting average thing. You're
57:01
going to have, well, community notes if you post a lot more,
57:07
you know, like you think of like you notes or horror battles or wrongness
57:13
is going to be. You know, if you post a thousand things and
57:17
get tampas out of them wrong, you know you've gone one hundred wrong things.
57:22
If you said there post only one hundred things and the wrong you only
57:27
have ten wrong things. So you're just looking at yah seeing how many posts,
57:34
what percentage of those we're wrong, want, how many we're all in
57:38
the absolute? So I do much a lot, but I think generally,
57:45
I think I think my accuracy is pretty good, right well, and they're
57:52
your opinion, so I mean some of it. I don't think we can
57:54
say this is right or wrong. I can vement needs, disagree with you,
57:59
which I do, and a number of things. But but you know,
58:04
I I there's subjective things that I can't say. You know, you're
58:08
you're absolutely wrong and I'm absolutely right. I just believe that I'm always right.
58:14
So that's this is another circuit. We need a sarcasm to dector device,
58:17
Like don't you have like this company that releases like burnt hair and blow
58:23
torches that could be like a sarcasm sarcasm director detector could be your next gadget.
58:31
How do you feel about that? I think my idea is actually I
58:39
think a good AI can detect sarcasm pretty well, certainly if it's if it's
58:44
spoken. It's a little lot of to detect sarcasm in written form. So
58:52
the tone usually it's sarcast spoken. But uh, my mother is saying is
59:00
like every time you're sadcasting you lose a bread that happened to me a lot.
59:07
Well do you think that Brock? Because you've mentioned that Grock is motivated
59:12
by truth seeking curiosity, How do you think you can help? So that's
59:16
the goal, So how do you think it can help? A platform like
59:20
acts do you think AI can help users be more accurate in what they'd say,
59:24
maybe by suggesting, hey, you know, this thing didn't happen in
59:29
the year in nineteen sixty eight, it happened in nineteen seventy seven or something
59:34
like that. One. It's a factual correction. Do you see it being
59:37
used that way? Yeah, absolutely so. But they're used in Brock Block
59:42
quite five, which hopefully is only a few weeks away. We'll have the
59:46
sort of the the ability to do brought to do analysis like the one that
59:52
says Rock analysis kind of like Wilsk analysis like the Baguin and and then Grock
1:00:00
can tell you whether these the sort of look at the whole thread of what
1:00:07
you know, look at an entire sort of threat of replies and sum up
1:00:14
what you know. It's best guess what the truth is and if there are
1:00:21
any errors, as well as to help people in creating posts, as when
1:00:24
you're when you're writing a post, if you want a bit of help from
1:00:30
Grock, then this should be able to know that helps you craft or check
1:00:35
or enhance a post. That would be pretty useful. And and then when
1:00:42
you do see a paining voice to be able to easily say, well,
1:00:45
tell me what the revital to this would be and say, you know,
1:00:52
yeah, that that I think will be quite useful. And yeah, we'll
1:01:00
sort of errate towards something that is as helpless possible level and bringing accuracy,
1:01:10
get getting into the sort of as close to the whole truth, the truth,
1:01:15
the whole truth, and ideally nothing with truth and nothing but the truth.
1:01:19
But it is hard, but we've at least reduce the percentage that is
1:01:22
uncool. I have a competing product. I don't know if you're where.
1:01:27
It's called cat GYBT. Hello, Leila, I am catchy BT and I
1:01:34
grops ass mm hmmm. So it's it's the sarcastic model of AI, that's
1:01:40
what it is. But in terms of like you know, obviously AI can
1:01:49
be used for good for evil, and I think we're going to be seeing
1:01:52
We're already seeing a lot more deep fakes. I think a lot of video
1:01:54
generated content images and a lot of that is being used to influence and I
1:02:00
mean there's already been so many influenced campaigns from different countries. There's been a
1:02:04
lot of research on that, and today there's things that we can look at,
1:02:07
we can look at AI. You know, maybe the hands that there's
1:02:09
you know, six fingers. I think that's a very rare genetic disorder,
1:02:14
so we can rule that out as being a real human. I think there's
1:02:17
a lot of ways that we little tail signs, right, but I think
1:02:22
that's going to be more and more increasingly difficult. So how do you see
1:02:28
us navigating this? And are we going to be a society with zero trust
1:02:32
because we can't even trust you know, a picture or video. Well,
1:02:42
I think very quickly on the X system, if something is AI generated or
1:02:46
true, you will see in the replies, if not in community notes that
1:02:51
it is AI generator or not. I yet to be really well by,
1:03:00
you know, any any significance. I think the only one that that I
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think well me was that the which I think retrospect was with Silly the Pope
1:03:07
and the Papa jacket, which you know is not really going to be wearing
1:03:13
a popajacket in the middle of summer in Italy. It's a good warm but
1:03:17
it did look good. I don't know, I haven't really Can you think
1:03:22
of some examples of uh aijerriators stuff that wasn't like immediately corrected? No,
1:03:31
I think right now, I mean I wouldn't know if it wasn't immediately corrected.
1:03:36
I think certain things spread for a long time until they were corrected.
1:03:39
Some things were corrected, But I think as it gets better, I think
1:03:45
it's going to be more difficult because social media platforms don't really have a way
1:03:49
of, say, detecting that this is in the AI generated you know,
1:03:53
video or image, and so that's something that leaves a lot of room for
1:03:59
again falsities, and like, you know, for me, you know,
1:04:01
I want I want people to make their decisions based on as much accurate information
1:04:08
as they can, even if it's not the same decision that I'm making.
1:04:11
In this stems in the way I think, Well, that's why I always
1:04:17
usually ask for examples of things like rather than have you know, what one
1:04:25
can sort of voice fake is what might happen in the future. But you
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know this, one can think of a lot of examples as a present.
1:04:31
It remains simply a fear of what might happen in the future, you know,
1:04:36
And if there are corey examples of the present, then perhaps there's something
1:04:40
we can do about it. I'm just saying that I have rarely see some
1:04:45
sort of AI generated thing that that whether there's not an immediate direction in the
1:04:49
comments or a communely need. Yeah, well, I think this is something
1:04:57
that a lot of people that feel about. Trying to figure altitud is not
1:05:00
an easy problem to solved beyond say community, because it's going to be hard
1:05:06
to identify. But one thing you said previously, he said, you know
1:05:10
you really want to make X the everything app, And you know I can
1:05:15
see that as being potentially also a way to be less reliant on one revenue
1:05:20
stream, so advertising revenue stream, which which I think supports your your dedication
1:05:27
to freedom of speech. But is there you know, is there a particular
1:05:31
reason beyond that, if that's even the part of the reason. Is there
1:05:35
a reason that you want X to be for everything and not just for speech
1:05:44
to me, be including video, i' let's try that. What you mean,
1:05:50
well, because because I know one thing, you want it to be
1:05:54
able, You want people to be able to make safe financial transactions on the
1:05:58
app. Then you've got brock ai, so you've got a lot of different
1:06:01
elements, not just say video and spaces and text. You want it to
1:06:06
do a lot more than that. So I'm wondering what the reason for that
1:06:13
is. I just think it would be useful. So it's not useful,
1:06:20
pia one use it, but if it is useful, they will. So
1:06:24
I'm trying to make the most useful platform on the Internet. And yeah,
1:06:30
so I think I think so all in one happen is pretty useful. That
1:06:38
could be wrong if I'm wrong, one use it. So that's your motivation,
1:06:45
is like the usefulness of things? Yeah, interesting generally, the further
1:06:50
it's of civilization in pursuit of a more enlightened future. Do you see I
1:07:00
mean, I think a lot of people have lost trust in institutions, and
1:07:05
I think not just you know, media, but many institutions. Do you
1:07:09
see a path forward where people can regain that trust? What what do you
1:07:14
think can be done to do that? Well? I think people shouldn't trust
1:07:21
institutions, or they should trust institutions fortunate to the accuracy what those institutions have
1:07:30
said in the past. So if they are you know, if they if
1:07:36
they an institution as a track record of being wrong or deceptive, then the
1:07:45
reputation will you know that that reputation is that that's the reptation are going to
1:07:49
have over time, and so canny given institutions group the public trust. They
1:07:57
need to be more accurate than truthful, and then over time there there pat
1:08:03
will improve. Now it is true that there's an asymmetryl there and that you
1:08:10
can destroy reputational a lot. It's far easier to destroy a reputation for truthless
1:08:17
than it is to create one. And so so if you if you saw
1:08:23
it, just like a like products, if the company mature products and the
1:08:26
product quality suffers, even briefly, it takes a long time with four consumers
1:08:33
believe you gain about your product quality. You know, like the American water
1:08:39
industry had that problem where the quality of cars was just fearner to Jafese cars
1:08:44
in the nearly eighties and nineties, and it took really a few decades before
1:08:50
that perception was of American wires something worse. Quality was stressed. And it
1:08:57
might even not probably not even today. It's playing not full the rest.
1:09:00
So you know, well said you can take a lot of time to buil
1:09:06
a reputation, five minutes to destroy it. I think that's three. It
1:09:10
extreme, but let's play extree point of view. But it's somethin part easier
1:09:15
to damage a reputation of truth than to create one. No, absolutely.
1:09:20
And the problem also with institutions is that to function properly as a society,
1:09:26
we do need a level of trust or it just kind of falls apart,
1:09:30
so it becomes you know, it's a difficult thing to solve when you lose
1:09:33
that trust regaining it. It's just incredibly difficult also in terms of trust or
1:09:39
reputation. As you said, you know, because I've been researching this for
1:09:43
my book. You know, I was one thing that is really incredibly important
1:09:48
that because we all have this digital footprint nowadays, right where whereas if your
1:09:54
reputation was destroyed in the past, you can move to a new town,
1:09:58
you know, change your name, or move to a new town and maybe
1:10:00
start over. If there were newspaper articles about you, they would sort of
1:10:04
vanished in a couple of weeks and that's it. And now, because everything
1:10:08
is digital, anything that's ever said about you is now forever and follows you
1:10:13
everywhere. That makes it really really difficult for people, particularly when they're targeted
1:10:18
for those things or even genuine as deeds that maybe they shouldn't have a lifetime
1:10:25
of suffering from. Well I know what, I don't know what to do
1:10:31
about that. It is true that uh, you know, what you say
1:10:35
on the internet lost forever, so very we'll just need to be a little
1:10:41
more forgiving. Uh, you know, somebody's made a wrong tweet what I
1:10:46
am about most ten years ago that you know, a little big. Maybe
1:10:53
we should just all them to be a little more for giving of such things,
1:11:00
you know, when should some people shouldn't be canceled for. And in
1:11:02
fact, for a while they have people who are medias were being canceled for
1:11:05
you know, tweeted it thirteen years ago, which is absurd. So you
1:11:13
know, everyone has what moments or where they you know, poor something,
1:11:19
perhaps when they're in a bad just a really bad state of mind or you
1:11:27
know, I don't know. I think we should have some forgiveness, especially
1:11:30
if people apologize what they are, you know, the demoships a forgiveness there.
1:11:39
I mean, I will say, apologize if you Jennine Johnson being wrong,
1:11:43
they needed Johnson being wrong, Never apologize book. I think it's if
1:11:51
yeah, yeah, you know, yeah, I don't think you should apologize
1:11:57
if if there's something you used to it when I was just genuous to progest
1:12:00
with something that you aren't actually sorry about. So but you know, yeah,
1:12:10
you should be disast in your apology. It's uh. I mean,
1:12:15
we're all just human here and you let's make mistakes. You know, to
1:12:19
err is human. So if you know, sometimes we say things in a
1:12:30
hurry or in a like I said the best say in my animal without initially
1:12:35
knowing all the facts. But then if you subsequently correct yourself, I think
1:12:42
we should accept that. Yeah. I think people often say listen, it's
1:12:47
it's it's accountability culture, and I think the difference there is I think people
1:12:53
should be accountable for the words and their actions. I certainly don't think they
1:12:56
should be you know, unaccountable for everything. How whoever, you know,
1:13:00
it gives bred and said something and they said something a little off, we
1:13:06
would have a little bit of grace. And so people get to the stuck
1:13:11
with the respons of the next day, forever and ever and whatever quite disproportunately
1:13:16
often times. So that is I think that is a big issue. I
1:13:20
think as a society, like you know, in prisons, right Viole.
1:13:30
But also because some really duncan and we're also could be you know, organ
1:13:42
sentence should be impeding to the cine. And so I think we look at
1:13:45
sociding the same ms from infancy, so that is I think it's very similar.
1:13:54
People. You could probably have a similar approach to that. Okay,
1:14:00
it's true. Okay, all right, you can disagree and child all right.
1:14:15
Well, I'm wondering this is probably a very we're airing at. But
1:14:18
I know that people worry about the lot a lot. I'm worried about gene
1:14:23
editing, and I'm wondering, you know, it's something that isn't all why
1:14:36
you see all that? I'm sorry, I think the connection is unfortunately a
1:14:46
little. I think it's maybe it was maybe it's me. Can you hear
1:14:51
me better now or no? Yeah, okay, I was just asking about
1:14:57
gene editing and your thoughts on that. It's as far as you know,
1:15:00
editing designer babies as opposed to just dealing with health consequences, like does that
1:15:05
change our humanity? Well, it takes a long time to break human I
1:15:17
mean it's twenty years, so I don't worry too much about gene modification there,
1:15:25
and like somebody making super soldiers, it will take far too long.
1:15:28
AI is moving at you know, artificial just moving so much faster than hes
1:15:31
to blessed to grow up. So I think that's that's really the thing to
1:15:38
be concerned about, not whether we're doing g editing to make people a bit
1:15:43
smarter or make their nit with simple soldiers. Right, I have one last
1:15:49
question for you. I don't know, and I know I've taken a lot
1:15:53
of time, so I don't want to keep you. I don't know if
1:15:55
you have any time to take a couple of audience questions. Okay, great,
1:16:01
I'll ask you one question and then we'll go to the a few audience
1:16:06
numbers. So my question is, if you could solve one problem, what
1:16:11
would it be? I guess I tried it at here in intelligence dramatical Uh
1:16:31
just I guess way of magic? Want to just make everyone like ten times?
1:16:36
Why do I will do that? I quite like this one. Actually,
1:16:43
I actually, weirdly enough kind of like that answer, Sarah, Do
1:16:47
you have a question? Thank you so fun of you all the time.
1:16:51
So I am, and she's she's a good person for bringing me up.
1:16:59
Calf and asked you earlier about you wanting to make X the everything app.
1:17:04
Where do you see X in a year? Do you see it largely the
1:17:10
same or will it be a completely different user experience in a year? And
1:17:17
I don't think it's gonna be completely different, but I will. You'll simply
1:17:23
see a lot more features of functionality. I think we'll have audio video calling,
1:17:30
group group audio video calling, screen sharing, and all things that want
1:17:36
it stant to this sort of expect from say it you know, a signal
1:17:41
or WhatsApp or whatever. I think will be a ideally a wide range of
1:17:48
financial services, and hey it's and beyond. We'll see a lot more local
1:17:56
content love wal video us, the mortons to search with thein the excess and
1:18:02
dramatical better. The recommendations, well, the sort of for you recommendations,
1:18:11
where I recently moved to AI based recon emotions that just give new content that's
1:18:16
not all compelling than uh we the heuristics or rules of thumb based content recommendations.
1:18:24
So what we have, what what what what? What we've been doing
1:18:27
over the past year or so is increasingly not evolved, but AI that has
1:18:31
evolving. The recommended for you posts, which I think people are generally responded
1:18:38
well to. I think people most people do that the the recommendations are quite
1:18:43
compelling, and they'll do a bit more are compelling. May I ask one
1:18:47
more quick thing, Oh, I'm sorry I cut you off. Yeah,
1:18:51
and to I tell me, if you just agree with ada, and I
1:18:56
would like to have you found the recommendations and the for you be you know,
1:19:00
more compelling than say a year ago. I would say that the for
1:19:06
you still need some work. Some of the things that I'm recommended, I
1:19:12
wouldn't say are they would be wasted user minutes as as you say at times.
1:19:19
But I think it has gotten better what I really liked and Catherine and
1:19:25
I used it the other day. We used the ex calling feature and our
1:19:31
sound quality was great, the video worked great. It worked better for me
1:19:36
than WhatsApp or signal. Do you see people do you see wanting people to
1:19:43
use that option more. You talked about not using your cell phone in the
1:19:47
future and only taking calls on X. Will you truly do that? I'll
1:19:56
try, Uh, yeah, I will try. I mean, the best
1:20:02
way to improve a project to use it. And if it's you know this,
1:20:08
I think there's still a lot of functionality we need to improve about our
1:20:11
what everyday calling and yeah, that so I think. So I'm not gonna
1:20:18
batter my friend the quite yet, but I'm you know, hopefully, I
1:20:25
think I'll be able to just write when over around the middle of this year,
1:20:29
and uh, yep, yeah, And I've been using the X what
1:20:39
do you every day? Calling more and more of the past few weeks,
1:20:45
and definitely things read to improved, but it's works pretty well as as you
1:20:48
experience. Thank you, Aaron, I, thanks Elon for doing the space
1:20:59
with Catherine, and thank you also for what you've done for free speech on
1:21:01
this platform. I'm one of the private poaintiffs in the Missouri b Biden censorship
1:21:08
lawsuit that's currently before the Supreme Court. We'll have oral arguments on March eighteen.
1:21:14
I co played the jay about Chariti. I think is one of the
1:21:16
scientists that you know, so I appreciate you opening things up with the Twitter
1:21:21
files to those journalists. And the platform certainly hasn't proved since you've taken over.
1:21:28
I have noticed, however, since you stepped down as CEO, and
1:21:32
I understand why you've got a lot of companies to run that Twitter two point
1:21:39
zero has maybe reverted to Twitter one point eight one point seven, closer to
1:21:45
what it was before you purchased it. And I also know my own reading
1:21:51
of this is some of it's personnel, but some of it is also just
1:21:59
machine learning that has been outsourced to third parties and the sort of accumulated code
1:22:06
that you can't exactly wipe the slate clean and start over with a blank slate.
1:22:15
Given just sort of the nature of this platform and the accumulated history of
1:22:18
the platform, I guess my question for you is what can be done about
1:22:24
the but the continued suppression of speech on this platform there is less a function
1:22:33
maybe of the current personnel, and more a function of old code that has
1:22:40
been encrusted into the system. Do you have a game plan to sort of
1:22:48
clean that up in such a way that the playing field truly becomes level and
1:22:56
we're no longer seeing things like a follower cap based on content that is constitutionally
1:23:00
protected speech I'm not I'm not talking about and I will not defend speech that
1:23:05
is not constitutionally protected, but constitutionally protected speech you know, where it's really
1:23:12
just viewpoint discrimination. I think Twitter has come a long way under your leadership.
1:23:16
I would like to see it go sort of all the way under your
1:23:19
leadership, But I understand that's a sure, that's a pretty gargantuan task,
1:23:25
and so I just like to get your sense of the lay of the land
1:23:28
and what war can still be done to make this sort of the best free
1:23:33
speech platform. Well, it is the best free speech platform out there,
1:23:36
but a better free speech platform that might not be a high bar. Actually
1:23:42
yeah, yeah, that's right. Well, you know what short, just
1:23:50
the team and I will be some things more. I mean I do.
1:23:55
I do still run product development, excluding the recommendation engine. And you know,
1:24:02
I'm not sort of picking on individual accounts to remote at all, but
1:24:09
ever, but rather the just try to improve the quality of recommendations that people
1:24:14
find it need to improve the signal's noise that you're getting content that you find
1:24:20
to be interesting, informative, funny and as opposed to you know, boring
1:24:26
or wrong. So any any inface you can give me that would help me
1:24:33
in that task will be appreciated. Is there anything you just send me a
1:24:40
specific any anything like if you're in my position, what would you do?
1:24:44
Yeah, well, just from my own personal experience, you know, once
1:24:47
you get a feel for this app, and if you're posting a lot,
1:24:50
you can sort of set get a sense of what the algorithm is up to.
1:24:55
Visa be your account, and you know, I experienced a really hard
1:24:59
and fast under Twitter one point zero that really got lifted and there was a
1:25:05
totally different feel on the platform within I would say a month or two of
1:25:11
you taking over and a lot of the firings that happened, and a lot
1:25:15
of the cleaning house. But you know, once again, I feel myself
1:25:18
under a follower cap and I'm tweeting mostly about censorship and free speech, and
1:25:24
I'm focusing my research and my writing mostly on censorship and free speech. And
1:25:30
you know, I wonder what is still at work on this platform such that
1:25:35
people like Jay or me or my other co plaintiffs in the case, credible
1:25:43
doctors and scientists who have, you know, credible opinions, and you know,
1:25:47
are extra considerable influence now with this this case that many believe is the
1:25:54
most important free speech case of our generation because it's related to this new media
1:26:00
for media that you and Catherine have been talking about. And you know,
1:26:02
I can't say for sure why that is happening, but something in the algorithm
1:26:08
is putting its thumb on the scales continuously when you talk about certain controversial issues,
1:26:15
and that may be old stuff deeply embedded within. You know that the
1:26:21
functioning of the algorithm. It may be stuff that's been added since you came
1:26:27
on. I'm not a coder. I'm not a computer scientist, although my
1:26:31
father was. So I can't tell you exactly what's going on because I don't
1:26:36
have access to the code, and even if I did, I don't know
1:26:39
that I would be able to interpret it. But I can't tell you as
1:26:42
a frequent user of this platform and as someone who's involved and you know,
1:26:46
in the crossairs, so to speak, because I'm a plaintiff in a major
1:26:49
free speech case and i've I'm probably among the plaintiffs, the one who's written
1:26:55
and published most about Missouri b Biden that some things restarted again after you took
1:27:01
over. I don't know why. I don't know if it's human or machine
1:27:08
learning based, but I'm really keen to get at the bottom of it,
1:27:14
and you know, happy to talk to you offline if that would be helpful
1:27:17
to try to give you a sense of my own experience on the platform.
1:27:24
Okay, yeah, I'm looking at your car right now. So okay,
1:27:32
So one of the changes we're making that should go live soon is in the
1:27:44
recommended to you were over. We're WCE and I think a lot of people
1:27:50
may have noticed this. Often there would be from accounts that you follow,
1:27:57
I don't interact with, you would see almost no content accounts that you follow
1:28:02
but don't interact with. That's because we that's because we over we overweighted interaction,
1:28:11
interpreting interaction as well. You like, you like, liking or flying
1:28:15
to an account, and so we're going to show you a whole bunch more
1:28:18
stuff that you you interact with. And but but but but there are a
1:28:25
lot of accounts that who will follow that they don't interact with. They follow
1:28:30
that account for just to learn things. In fact, for a lot of
1:28:35
publications they will follow say a magazine or or newsormalization, not with the interesting,
1:28:43
not not with the idea of commenting or liking or anything, but just
1:28:45
because they wish to see upward from that news organization from that person. And
1:28:51
so we're just in the algorithm actually to include on more of things that you
1:29:00
all of it don't interact with. That should help. And that actually is
1:29:06
like for some for some content where people perhaps afraid to comment on it because
1:29:14
you know that this may be a medical, spicy content where if somebody doesn't
1:29:19
want to say anything because they're they're afraid that they may be judged by saying
1:29:26
something. Will like you for the thing, right, so that I think
1:29:30
that should help. So I think just sort of like, if we're not
1:29:39
seeing I proven in the next week, week or two, just lett me
1:29:41
know, because this should go a live I think probably next week. It's
1:29:45
certainly not more than two weeks from now, and that should help a lot
1:29:48
of accounts that we'll say interesting things, but where people don't turn often interact.
1:29:57
That makes sense. Yeah, thank you, that's helpful to know.
1:30:00
I'll keep an eye on things. Thanks. Think we'll go to your boys
1:30:05
doppel ganger next that apparently Alex Jones thinks, is you to prove Alex Jones
1:30:13
thinks this Yeah, this is part two. You've met me at least three
1:30:17
times. You're about to dive laughter, aren't you. It's me again?
1:30:24
Yeah, this is this is part three. That's what. There's nothing,
1:30:29
honestly, there's nothing better than to hear you loft as much like I can
1:30:32
only imagine they're kind of stressed around there. Yeah, yeah, dude,
1:30:35
for the past couple of weeks, I've been I basically, oh god,
1:30:40
I count this. There's eight billion people on Earth. Yeah, there's someone
1:30:55
who sounds like you so much, and you are that person. Yes,
1:31:00
it gets worse, It gets worse, It gets so much worse, it
1:31:05
gets so much worse. I don't believe you're about me. Yeah, that's
1:31:11
the theory. That's the theory people think. People think I'm legitimately or a
1:31:15
clone. There's been theories that that I'm one of your neuralink experiments. Can
1:31:18
you like clarify that I'm not one of your neuralink experiments? Or maybe I
1:31:21
am and I wouldn't realize it. Okay, because that touch vast. How
1:31:27
are your monkeys? How are your that was a test subject. Well.
1:31:34
The weird thing is you even asked questions in the way that I would ask
1:31:38
questions autism, why someone's sense of humor? It's eerie. Yeah, And
1:31:48
I still remember the first time. Oh god, I still remember the first
1:31:56
time. I still remember the first time when I the first time I found
1:32:00
out about you was actually in early twenty sixteen, and this is when I
1:32:05
watched SpaceX Rockets rocket Engine experimentations on YouTube. I was like, Man,
1:32:11
this is the cool I've ever seen. It's going to be acting all day
1:32:14
and a significant other actually showed me a video clip of you and said,
1:32:16
hey, bra, this guy sounds like an older version of view. I'm
1:32:18
like, what do you talk about here? This guy look at me's talking
1:32:20
about hydrogen. What do you mean he's talking about hydrogen. I listened to
1:32:26
this and I was like, what is going on? So this is the
1:32:29
first time I realized that something's up quite right with this world. Probably is
1:32:33
like a bug in the simulation, And even if there was one, I'm
1:32:35
pretty sure I cause a lot of disruption recently. As I'm as I'm sure
1:32:40
you're aware, there's a mass meltdown. There's like an account that's doing rage
1:32:44
farming, so like it's so good. Like these people, what they've done
1:32:48
is they're trying to pin on you that you've suspended an account because a targeted
1:32:54
A did target harassment, but was not suspended. They actually deactivated their account.
1:32:57
Now I tried to do rage farm me. Now they're going to read
1:33:00
it on the news everywhere. Be like, dude, I'm complimenting yourself.
1:33:02
It's like the stupidest thing I've ever seen. I was gonna let it happen,
1:33:06
but then I said, you know what, I don't want I don't
1:33:10
want I don't want a Thermo. I don't want thermo nuclear warfare just yet.
1:33:15
For me. I like that. I'm not gonna have that this ever
1:33:19
since yesterday, Eve though, I do diabol series everything. It's all over
1:33:23
the place. It's inescapable now, it's it's so weird, it's it's terrible.
1:33:30
I like a uniquely gazed like. I mean, I'll get pictures with
1:33:34
you, like, what do you look like? I've seen, I've seen,
1:33:40
I've seen Adrian. He could he could be twin. I mean I
1:33:44
couldn't. I could d M you, dude, Dude, I could d
1:33:49
M you. If you enable enable access, I'll tell you everything you need
1:33:54
to know five minutes. I'll tell you everything, if you're interested, if
1:33:58
you're interested. With you guys revealing each other, that would be pretty fun.
1:34:02
Oh god, yes, we should also get that guy from China.
1:34:09
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I've been thinking about this guy. That would
1:34:11
be the weirdest thing ever. That's the Holy Trifactor, you know, the
1:34:14
Holy Trinity for three of you. Yeah. I don't know is that guy
1:34:23
real? Because that guy, I'm not sure. Maybe maybe he has had
1:34:27
some facial modifications. He looks strikingly real, I would say, I mean
1:34:31
he fakes maybe because the resolution is kind of ship. But I don't know,
1:34:36
you know, I don't know that there are vary as many say,
1:34:40
say Elvis, Elvis in person, I was out there right and they would
1:34:43
modify their facial structure to look like him. So I think maybe we're seeing
1:34:47
a similar case. I mean, they're they're really advanced down there in China,
1:34:50
especially in the medical field. So like maybe, I don't know,
1:34:54
it would be really good trol, good for propaganda too. I would do
1:34:57
it. Oh boy, you guys. Yeah, yeah that, I mean,
1:35:02
that would really people out. Yeah, I mean it's perfect too.
1:35:05
But yeah, I mean, I mean it's one work pavillion people that try
1:35:10
it. If you take the person and try that looks most like me,
1:35:12
it probably looks pretty close. Yeah. Yeah. So, I mean,
1:35:19
honestly, I have to have to say, just like to get this out
1:35:21
of the out of the gate, I really enjoy this platform. I honestly
1:35:25
don't understand why a lot of people complain about it. I feel like it's
1:35:27
about how you use it and what to use it for. Like it may
1:35:31
I use basically every feature on the platform except for of course, community notes,
1:35:35
and you know some of the newer features like articles and such. I
1:35:38
don't have access to that, and I have to. I mean I do
1:35:41
a spaces practically eight hours a day, three times a week. I do
1:35:45
yeah, yeah, all the time, all the time. It's nice.
1:35:48
I like to use it for information gathering and dissemination. It's like, imagine
1:35:51
your brain like a like a machine learning algorithm. You just need a lot
1:35:56
of data and then you need to curate out of the noise of value.
1:36:00
You find the diamonds in the rough. That's essentially what I do. And
1:36:01
I do this quite a lot. That's amazing. We find cool stuff out.
1:36:05
We coverlet of the then we covered your earning school. Your mother was
1:36:10
in there, and that was so weird. W wait, talk you talk
1:36:14
to my What do my mom think? I have no idea. She was
1:36:16
just listening there, just just sitting and we were having a discussion of the
1:36:19
inning school. She was just sitting in there. She didn't hear me much
1:36:23
because I didn't want to interrupt in the conversation. And also I was scared
1:36:27
shirtless. No, I was really going to trip out my mom. Oh
1:36:32
yeah, oh yeah, I mean sure, how's a how's your kid doing?
1:36:43
I hear he's a little active in the background. There, did do
1:36:49
it? Fine? Yeah, I'll just I'll just text my mom's away.
1:36:56
This would be the greatest thing ever if you write your mother in. I
1:37:02
mean, I have to be he said, I that's a Hello World because
1:37:11
I have a simulation Adrian Dippman. Catherine's trying to speak, but you are
1:37:18
the loudest person on stage, my friend, that's my design. I have
1:37:27
a terrible microphone. It's cool. I don't know. But Elon Junior over
1:37:33
there be quiet for Catherine. Thank you, Sarah. This is why Sarah's
1:37:40
you know Loyle. She makes fun of me, she bullies me, but
1:37:43
she has my back, which I but Elon just said that that's my free
1:37:47
speech and I can bully you if I want, as long as it's legal.
1:37:50
Did you say that. Yeah, i'd specifically say bully, but I
1:37:57
guess technically that just the records of space speed space for Mayne. Well,
1:38:06
I know Nora has a question, So well, let's go to Nora and
1:38:10
then hopefully your mom can join and hear. You're doppelganger. You're twenty,
1:38:15
you're young, doppelganger. I mean is it tripping everyone else? This is
1:38:21
really funny, trips literally everyone else on the platform out. It's so weird
1:38:27
awkward, I'm gonna get all aerious again. Well, I actually wanted to
1:38:30
ask about the Starship launch because I just read an article that came out saying
1:38:33
that they're looking at Cape Canaveral as a potential uh location for the Starship launch.
1:38:40
And I know, since they do an environmental impact assessment and blah blah
1:38:44
blah and public comment because it's that's the government for you, that that happens
1:38:47
in March. But do you have any idea or like, any plans do
1:38:51
you think or estimation of one a potential launch date would be, and are
1:38:58
you excited, like do you have hopes for the mission? And do you
1:39:00
feel like we're a lot closer to getting to Mars. Yeah, I think
1:39:12
we've I don't want to drink it, which have faith here, but I
1:39:14
think the probability of reaching all of it is good eighty percent with this third
1:39:21
flight. It's certainly the third flight is a much better rocket than flights one
1:39:29
or two, so you know, but there's always you can't have too much
1:39:38
luck in a rugged launch. But we're getting ready three Flight three probably about
1:39:44
so I think probably I guess the second week of watch normally it's like Watch
1:39:54
eight. We're trying to get it to be throtter than Watch eight. But
1:39:57
so my guess has happened sometimes at some point in the first half of next
1:40:00
month, and then flight four is ready shortly thereafter. So the operation of
1:40:09
the how does that affect the probability of success? Like in your opinion or
1:40:13
what? What is it about? You know, having a different location that
1:40:15
may you know, help with the outcome. But well, it's as two
1:40:23
things. That's uh, there's flight three, which is got hundreds of improvements
1:40:27
from flight two that just increased the probably success of flight three. But but
1:40:31
we and we will establish a second launch sided Cake Narvel. It's not to
1:40:35
the conclusion of Starbase in South Texas, but it's in addition to so we're
1:40:44
gonna be launching a lot ideally wrong both Cake Canaveral and from South Texas.
1:40:50
And we may at some point look at having a probably will at some point
1:40:55
at having a third. Let's go to you. How's your responded to the
1:41:00
text? Now that like, can we get back to not being serious?
1:41:04
Oh? I sent you yeah, I sent you an image of myself,
1:41:12
so what I look like. Obviously, don't shout that around. I don't.
1:41:15
I don't quite want that heat yet. It's like a there's a lot
1:41:19
of things that would happen. Okay, well you don't. Okay, we
1:41:24
don't. Don't we don't look exactly the same, no, no, no,
1:41:29
no. Yeah, you look different from me, yes, different different.
1:41:35
It's kind of like a kind of like almost an opposite thing. This
1:41:39
is a relatively older photo. I take a photo of myself now, but
1:41:42
I look kind of fucked up. I just came out of so I do
1:41:45
actually do similar things a manufacturer type of product, and you know, I
1:41:50
did some stuff, so I look really fucked up. I got all kinds
1:41:55
of machine stuff over me, you know, oils and shit. So definitely
1:41:59
not a pretty sight. Yeah, that was sweaty as fuck. So I
1:42:04
have an ex employee here. That's one confirmation. I have an ex employee
1:42:10
here by the name of he's an influencer on the app. He goes by
1:42:15
Cattlebell Dan. He might be familiar with him. I think he has a
1:42:19
question. Hey Catherine, Yeah, thanks, great job hosting this one,
1:42:25
and good luck on your book. Hey, Elon. You know, first
1:42:28
of all, I love these conversations. I wish more politicians and notable figures
1:42:32
would use spaces in this way. It feels like a very casual conversation,
1:42:35
even though there's you know, tens of thousands people in the room listening.
1:42:40
My question for you. You recommended the culture series that people read that by
1:42:44
Ian Banks. Yeah, yeah, and I started it in on it and
1:42:48
I'm curious, like you talk a lot about expanding the scope of humanity,
1:42:55
you know, the to the reaches of the universe, and you know,
1:42:58
in his book, he really paints a picture of you know, there's trillions
1:43:00
of people across the galaxy, and I think that's maybe a driver for a
1:43:04
lot of the technology that he describes in the book. I'm curious that that's
1:43:09
influenced the way you think about expanding the scope of reality, and also how
1:43:14
you would tie that into having children. I have five kids, I know
1:43:16
them behind you, But you talk a lot about encouraging people to have kids.
1:43:20
We can't populate the universe if we stop populating, So I'm curious about
1:43:25
yeah, exactly, Uh, yeah, I mean, I mean I saw
1:43:32
spasics long before reading any of the Bags novels. So but I've always been
1:43:39
interested in sci fi, and uh, like the Foundation series by as a
1:43:45
law No fine lend the only the great sci fi with this, I've read
1:43:54
even pretty obscure sci fi. So I think Banks is some of the best.
1:44:00
I think it might be the best actually ever in sci fi opinion.
1:44:06
In fact of the STUFFE Rights is so good that I sort of wonder is
1:44:10
he like some AI in the simulation? But then unfortunately he had died before
1:44:16
I was able to try to reach out, because the sophistication of the sci
1:44:24
fi Rights is superhuman. So but but yeah, I mean, I certainly
1:44:34
think that we want to be a civilization that expands to the rest of the
1:44:40
Solar System, ultimately to the rest of the galaxy. I we should expand
1:44:45
the That's just sort of the foundation of my philosophy is expansion of the Scobel
1:44:49
and scale consciousness such that we are better able to understand the nature of reality,
1:44:55
understand the ear books. That's uh, that's what what it makes mean.
1:45:02
You speak a lot about the simulation, as do I My fascination with
1:45:08
it, like why why do you always say that this person maybe not the
1:45:13
AI in the simulation. You even said this to yourself in Grock, you
1:45:15
know, spout out a hallucination about what I do, and it said that
1:45:18
I'm your Twitter some kind You said, what if we're just two ais in
1:45:23
the simulation? What do you mean with that? There must be deeper meaning?
1:45:30
What does this mean to you? Well, simulation theory is a deep
1:45:35
rabbit lull? Oh yeah, the I mean the best argment for we're in
1:45:47
a simulation. I would say we are in a simulation. But one just
1:45:50
think that things in terms of probabilities. I think the thing that is most
1:45:58
persuasive in considering the probability that we are you know simulation is the advancement of
1:46:06
video games. The video games went from being something like long which is like
1:46:13
just two rectangles of square, very remittive graphics, not that long ago,
1:46:17
only like fifty years ago, fifty five six years ago there about. You
1:46:29
know, in our lifetime, I saw I saw video games go from firstly,
1:46:32
I saw go from very primative square's rectangles to what are realistic video games
1:46:42
that have millions of people playing civilta. And that's in you know, for
1:46:49
when I was like five years old of today. So then where will Winter
1:46:55
games be in the future, they will be instingishable for reality, and you'll
1:47:00
be able to render video games at a resolution other than your eyes can comprehend.
1:47:05
And if you extrapolate neural interfacements as well, then eventually you'll be able
1:47:14
to have simulated entire reality all senses, touch, smell everything. Yeah,
1:47:25
all the memories, all your memories are electrical segments when you smell something,
1:47:32
even though sense maybe a risceral and exactly electrical signals going to your range neuron
1:47:42
digital digital neuron pulses. So then what are the odds that we're like,
1:47:54
like, what are the odds that were in based reality instead of somebody's video
1:47:58
game? Given that there will be in the future, but like if if
1:48:01
civilization continues to advance, there will be billions fast more than billion, maybe
1:48:06
trillions uh video game instances. Maybe it's video games all the way down like
1:48:16
turtles actually to aventually you have a one bit simulation. Yeah, h like
1:48:27
like vox souls almost right, Well, it takes a more complex thing to
1:48:32
simulate another thing, So I think you sort of have an a tropic boundary
1:48:40
or notmation that you can always simulate something with something that's that's more complex.
1:48:46
Step four. Simulations will get less complex as they if you have a series
1:48:50
of nasted simulations. So eventually the simulation is just one bit. Let's get
1:48:59
one M and so what what do you think? What do you think it's
1:49:04
purposes? Well, its purpose could be we say, like what what?
1:49:17
Why why do people play video games? I guess if they video games so
1:49:20
fun? And why do people watch we raise t TV series? Just you
1:49:28
know that they wish to be entertained? You know? Why do you run
1:49:31
simulations? Do you write simulations to see what would happen? Not because you
1:49:35
know what would happen, but you're uncertain, like like in our reality,
1:49:40
we run simulations all the time, you know it. Spacexual run many many
1:49:45
simulations, millions of simulations of rocket flights and adjust the parameters doing a want
1:49:53
to call a simulation where you're just given a wide range of input parameters and
1:50:00
environmental circumstances, and you run millions of simulations to see which all designations will
1:50:05
succeed, which will bail. So we run simulations not because we know what
1:50:12
will happen, because we don't know what. So I think, so long
1:50:17
as the simulation is interesting, if we aren't a simulation, as long as
1:50:21
it's the simulation is interesting to the creators, the similation that will contain here.
1:50:27
So I think what that applies is just start be boring. Hey,
1:50:38
Kat, your Mike's pretty quiet. Yeah, having issues with this, but
1:50:43
let's just go to you and then it's all good. We can hear you,
1:50:47
Elon. I have two questions for you. One not so serious.
1:50:50
I asked this question to Linda actually in a space three months ago, and
1:50:56
I thought she nailed it. So my first question is, is a hot
1:51:00
dog a sandwich? No? This isn't If you asked someone for a sandwich
1:51:17
and added to a hot dog and be like, wait a second, just
1:51:20
gave me a hot dog, like I would say it's not a sandwich because
1:51:24
it would not meet expectations of ordering a sandwich. Now that's evacuate. Well
1:51:30
that's what Linda said too, So I mean, anyone who thinks the hot
1:51:34
dog is a sandwich, you're tripping. Yeah, we didn't like that.
1:51:42
Think in that Silicon Valley show which says like hot dog or not hot dog?
1:51:47
So that show's quite funny. Mike, Mike, Judge Colaba a sure
1:51:51
on silver. The another question, do you have any updates on on the
1:52:00
the neurally patient. Yeah, I'm not. I don't want to use this
1:52:11
to sort of break break major news on on thatvers good PRIVERS is good patients
1:52:20
seems to be a for recovery with noural effects that we're aware of and is
1:52:29
able to control the mouse were the mouse around the screen just by thinking.
1:52:36
So we're we're trying to get as many button presses as possible from thinking.
1:52:45
So that's what we're carding working on. Is you know, can you get
1:52:49
left mouse right mouse like mouse down, mouse up mouse, Yeah, that
1:52:55
mouse some left button down, that button up, which is the kind of
1:53:00
needed like you want to like sick and drag something, you need the mouse
1:53:02
down and to hold on mouse down and then then so you never want to
1:53:08
have just two buttons. So so we're trying to try to progres on left
1:53:15
front. But overall it's a good Let's go to a question for Na Shaw
1:53:25
on nice to be speaking with you. Uh, I actually have a question
1:53:30
kind of going back to AI images and AI video. I've seen them,
1:53:35
like other social apps, them integrating more tools for creators will kind of supplement
1:53:41
what they're doing using AI and I know that ACTS is kind of rolling out
1:53:45
a lot of features that are helpful to content creators, like articles, which
1:53:49
I'm very excited about. I'm wondering if you and you know EX overall have
1:53:56
thought about kind of developing features within ACTS, maybe via rock for a generative
1:54:01
AI image in video creation, or possibly partnering I'm at not with open AI,
1:54:08
but maybe something like mid Journey to make it easier for kind of artists
1:54:13
and creators that leverage AI to kind of enhance their content on X. We
1:54:21
are in some interesting discussions with my Journey and and something may come with that.
1:54:27
But either way, one way or not that we will enable a odd
1:54:30
generation on the awesome Thank you, And I mean I think it'd be really
1:54:36
grateful for memes, you know, if you can distort of like whip up
1:54:43
an original meme. Well that's why I do. I want to hear a
1:54:45
reply, guys, Elon, and I put plenty of turtle memes in your
1:54:49
eyes here. You end up like, all right, it sounds good?
1:54:55
Is this? Do you have a favorite meme? Elon? Uh? Is
1:55:04
that it? It's a lot to pick a favorite. Actually, I think
1:55:13
I cannot pick a favorite without incriminating myself. Okay, fair enough, I'll
1:55:16
let I'll let that one slide. I think Love has a all right,
1:55:24
let's go to Love and then Sarah, and then we'll see where we're at.
1:55:28
I like all the Elon memes. You don't like all the Elon memes?
1:55:30
Elon, Well, I like them all. I guess someone, we're
1:55:35
pretty funny. I mean I am become mean. To paraphrase, look at
1:55:49
it. You know the man? What does it feel like to be a
1:55:53
meme? Surreal? Catherine will know tomorrow when I mean this entire space.
1:56:11
Don't you worry, girl, I am very worried to there you work.
1:56:16
It's a me, me me, It's a me mean all right, Love,
1:56:24
do you have a question? Yeah? Bath midting conversation tonight, folks,
1:56:30
A couple of questions? Uh? Elon funny enough. I actually served
1:56:38
as a staffer in the front office of the GEC Global Engagement Center May twenty
1:56:45
one to May twenty twenty two. I thought the timing was important. I
1:56:48
actually left because I was you know, one of the one of the main
1:56:56
reasons why why I had left the GAK was because of all that was happening
1:57:00
was X so if I can do that. Yeah, but yeah, A
1:57:06
couple of unrelated questions to that, not on this space. What do you
1:57:12
think about the idea of profiles having to disclose whether they're being paid to post
1:57:17
content on behalf of a particular candidate or political campaign. So you know,
1:57:24
there's like a ton of X accounts that may or may not have been paid
1:57:30
by the campaign or like Trump campaign or the Ramaswami campaign. Do you think
1:57:35
it would be a good idea for the for like those influencers having to disclose
1:57:42
that they're being paid you know, so people no motive, Well, isn't
1:57:47
that a legal requirement? I'm talking about like on X, Like I think
1:58:00
if you to you know, promotes political campaign, that would count as a
1:58:05
political donation. I am not sure of the nation of the law here.
1:58:12
It's obviously a very difficult plus to know whether, right. Yeah, Uh,
1:58:15
the implementation of that is obviously would obviously be difficult. But I just
1:58:18
kind of wanted to bring that up because I think it would definitely do do
1:58:24
well for transparency on the platform if there is some way to verify whether a
1:58:30
post you know, is meant to inform was a great motive and for free
1:58:34
speech or whether a post is meant to like, you know, deceive and
1:58:40
it is basically an advertisement for a certain political candidate. I think that that
1:58:45
would be great. And yeah, I did want to connect about the gap.
1:58:50
Do you could you put me in the right direction as to how I
1:58:54
can connect with some folks about my experience there off the space? Yeah?
1:59:01
Absolutely? Why are you apply to this conversation and to cats count? And
1:59:11
because I'd be curious? Is I mean, what I saw from the Twitter
1:59:15
files was the Global Engagement Center, which most people have never heard of.
1:59:19
It was arguably the number one in terms of certainly from a quantity standpoint,
1:59:27
in terms of how many accounts they wanted suspended or the amplified. I think
1:59:32
might have been like number one out of out of all organizations. So that's
1:59:39
definitely concerning. And I was at a friend's birthday party of some people are
1:59:45
extremely well read, you know, and some response to people in the world,
1:59:49
and they've never heard of Global Engagement Center. I was like the ads
1:59:51
in the state caub you know, and you know, I think it's proba,
2:00:00
it's not good like which is necessarily yeah, it was. I think
2:00:06
it was created tended like stop and rushing this information, but I think it's
2:00:10
gone beyond that mandate is what I can see. Great, let's go to
2:00:17
Sphinx and I don't know, Elon, do you have much time left or
2:00:21
do you want to start wrapping this up? Yeah? I think maybe another
2:00:28
five, So let's go to Sphins. Thank you, Kat. What's up,
2:00:34
Eylan? How's it hanging good? It's not good? I wanted to
2:00:43
That wasn't my question. But yeah, what I'm concerned about or interested about
2:00:51
what you think might need some ideas that X could do to continue to combat
2:01:01
this doxing and harassment that goes on online. And I just want to explain
2:01:09
one example of harassment, which is people, for instance, writing very derogatory
2:01:16
things like the N word, but putting a putting spaces in between them,
2:01:24
right, So that sort of thing is getting past, is getting through the
2:01:29
system. And then also it seems like people are opiately doxing others and they
2:01:35
just don't get nothing happen. So what is there as a user we can
2:01:40
do and what can the platform do? And I know that you have you
2:01:45
guys are hiring more people in trust in safety, so I appreciate that,
2:01:49
but those are my questions. Thank you so much. Yeah, well,
2:01:57
reduction is definitely because it can have a spreading speech, so it counts what
2:02:03
we suspended for docing. And I think that's revealing the real neighborhind account,
2:02:08
not just just theraphystical address. And so you know, I guess that that
2:02:15
doctioning is are strictly speaking illegal, but it is it is impeded upon freedom
2:02:18
of speech. If if there's a lot of people, if they if they
2:02:24
say something, they may get you know, fired or ostracized. And so
2:02:30
I think there is value to having a nom de plume. And and I
2:02:38
think that actually want balance does want to improve freedom of speech than harmit.
2:02:46
You will have the outside, of course that people can then anonymously you know,
2:02:51
said derogatory things and whatnot. But uh, I think all things considered,
2:02:57
you do want to protect it fouls from duxton and and you know,
2:03:02
so that's that's I think. I think that's right. We're four prong speech.
2:03:09
Uh. Yeah, for moderation, I said, we are trying to
2:03:15
hear as as law as possible. I just generally tried to go on the
2:03:23
side, you know, on the side of print speech. So if there's
2:03:27
a version of like, should should the speech if we're if if it's borderline,
2:03:31
should the speech be allowed aloud? We're gonna on the side of allowing
2:03:34
it. I think that's right where and and like I said earlier, although
2:03:45
it's so sound esoteric, a lot of people, I want to try to
2:03:51
do at a high levels the sickle floise of the collective consciousness and the bad
2:03:58
the bandwidth and the same. It's like more single less noise to create it
2:04:03
effectively, to create more effective a better group. Mind, are We're already
2:04:12
at collective consciousness. It's just I think there's merit improving the the quality of
2:04:17
the of that that good mind, Thank you. I just really quick follow
2:04:24
if I wanted to ask, is there anything that the user that we can
2:04:28
do when someone is dogsed and by dockst we name address support documents that kind
2:04:34
of thing, really docks uh, is there anything the user can do to
2:04:39
help the platform to work with the platform. I'm very familiar with the terms
2:04:43
of the service of this platform, and I'm just wondering what we can do
2:04:47
instead of just asking you know X to solve this problem. Well, we
2:04:59
take dogs very seriously. So if you see docs all if it's not being
2:05:04
reported and I try to add me or something. I'll do my best to
2:05:11
take action. I said. My operating principle is and hasa creative speech through
2:05:16
a big signal ploye of the creditations forwards, and so I'm going to try
2:05:20
to do things that serve that great bubbles. Yeah, thank you. I
2:05:30
think that doxing is definitely a problem on the platform, and I imagine elsewhere
2:05:34
as well that people are really concerned about. Obviously, some people are anonymous
2:05:41
for a reason, and while I choose to use my name, I think
2:05:45
people have all sorts of reasons why they might not use theirs. So I
2:05:49
think it's definitely something worth addressing. So yeah, and by the way,
2:05:56
I only have I only really posted on elon moscat people wanting do I have
2:06:03
some all God, I do have you know, baby smoke and which I
2:06:11
want to ever guesses me but baby Smoth doesn't really most much. And and
2:06:15
Cybergamer, which where I'll almost like video game stuff. That's it really so
2:06:23
and I am definitely not Adrian, even though we sound itzli Ali will let
2:06:30
will let mister Jones know, Yes, it's very actually actually like your gaming
2:06:41
live teams I'm glad that you were. Actually the thing got me into Diablo,
2:06:43
Like I was thinking, why would you be playing this game? Actually,
2:06:45
I find it's really interesting because you said it's a major, major stress
2:06:48
reliever, and I looked into it. I was like, how could this
2:06:50
relieve stress? And I played it myself and I do play it, like
2:06:54
I say, almost every single night. I played with a few friends,
2:06:58
and I do stream it. I think everyone should do streaming. It's just
2:07:00
even even if it's just to play around a monkey round, it's nice.
2:07:03
I think. I think streaming is really good for this platform. And you
2:07:06
got the Diablo community always posted in there, and I'm glad that you added
2:07:10
the feature that I cannot only post it to the community, but I can
2:07:14
have that same post also be sure to my followers on main page. That's
2:07:16
very helpful. That's super super helpful. So I exclusively post in there or
2:07:20
whatever. It's Diablo stuff. Yeah. Also, the stability of streams is
2:07:25
greatly improved. I really like it. The the that the resolution is an
2:07:30
XL, I really like it's really good. Yeah. Also, if you
2:07:34
want to play sometime, I kill things with electricity. I like the sourceress.
2:07:43
This one's this one's super fun. The best of it, I think.
2:07:47
I think the Sorceress is actually op right now, for if you want
2:07:53
to speed run dungeons, it's like concerned. So I think it drops these
2:08:01
balls of lightning and literally destroys your PC's frame rate. It's beautiful. I
2:08:05
like to I like to break the game in that level, like really see
2:08:09
what what really really pushed the graphics to what I can do? And that's
2:08:11
definitely something that doesn't for me. And besides, it's kind of ironic because
2:08:16
I have infrastructure that's right off of solar. So if you really think about
2:08:18
it, I mean, it's it's a it's it's it's a fully it's a
2:08:22
fully negative it's a fully carbon negative character in a video game because it's powered
2:08:26
off of solar on a computer, killing things with electricity, removing carbon.
2:08:30
That's my enemies. I don't know. That just trips me out, stupid,
2:08:33
but I like it, Like like video game lights and video games are
2:08:39
powered by electricity. Yeah yeah, so I empowered by real electricity even though
2:08:48
the lights exactly Yeah, it's pure as far Your mic is really low there,
2:08:56
Catherine, right there, You're good now, Okay, So I think
2:09:03
your mom is in this space. Can we bring her up? Can you
2:09:07
see her? I'm looking She's made musk right, I see her down there.
2:09:16
Yeah, I see her. I just sent her. Hey, elon,
2:09:20
may I ask you. I've gotten several dms from people wanting to ask
2:09:24
questions that can't come up. One of them is a gentleman ros Alert would
2:09:31
like to know about the thousands of creators, including himself, that have encountered
2:09:37
the issue of ad demonetization, seemingly without notification as to why do you know
2:09:46
anything about that? And I paraphrase, yeah, I mean generally, if
2:10:00
an account is posting things that advertisers don't like, we we obviously cannot force
2:10:03
advertisers to advertise ah under those accounts, you know, So it's you know,
2:10:13
there's freedom of speech, but we we we can we can't force advertisers
2:10:18
to Sometimes people have this strange idea that we can there's there's some magical source
2:10:24
of money, but but there isn't. If if somebody's posting content that advertisers
2:10:30
don't want advertised next to, then well we have to turn advertising what for
2:10:33
that account? That's that's really what now? Now? No, sometimes we'll
2:10:39
incorrect me do so, but that's that's kind of how it works. Yeah,
2:10:48
so if advertisers complain about an account, we will not advertising that account.
2:10:54
So it's advertiser based, not platform based. Is that correct? Yeah,
2:11:00
that's the least, that's the intent. That we may make mistakes here.
2:11:03
But you know, the demonetizing or moving advertising is simply at the requests
2:11:09
of advertisers. That's why somebody complains. But you know, when I received
2:11:16
some complaints about so called dehumanization, they I say, well, if you
2:11:20
complain advertisers that want to advertise X to your content, please llo us low
2:11:24
and they usually I get no response, So I'll like, okay, well
2:11:28
that's the problem right there. That does mean somebody could that goog will still
2:11:33
subscribe to that users they have not been concluded to muntized date, they can
2:11:37
still get subscription revenue. But we obviously cannot force advertisements to advertise alongside content.
2:11:43
Then you don't wish to advertise us to And one more thing, Catherine,
2:11:46
if you don't mind, when will spaces or will spaces be monetized?
2:11:56
Like Catherine should be making a billion dollars off this right now? Why when
2:12:03
when do you think or do you think that X will monetize spaces. Well,
2:12:13
there is some monetization that because because of you know, some some moorganization
2:12:20
that it caused against the space is saved, and then there's advertising that appears
2:12:26
below this, uh the space length say some amount of that that occurs.
2:12:31
I mean to do in real time, we would have to enter up the
2:12:35
space for advertising, just like TV playgromps. So I know if that's its
2:12:43
gonna be great left for for saved spaces, we could that uh global sponse
2:12:54
eurotically, that would be a way to monetize it. I guess you know
2:13:00
that's the thing we can we can say we'll look up doing Thanks, So
2:13:05
we'll go to the Best of Audio Live audience. Hey, Catherine, this
2:13:09
is Adam and I love the space as always. You one quick question for
2:13:11
you. It's an AI question. So I'm gonna be talking with Sam Altman
2:13:16
and recording a podcast that's coming Monday, and I'm of course excited to talk
2:13:20
about all things open AI and the new sore technology and used with Andre moving
2:13:24
on, but what do you focused on with AI within your world moments?
2:13:28
What's exciting you for AI right now? Well, I mean open AI should
2:13:33
be called last will maximum proper AI, since that is apparently what it is.
2:13:39
It's the thing I came up with the name open AI because I'm supposed
2:13:43
to be open source, but they are not open source noise than non property
2:13:46
anymore. So I to find it odd that's you know, it is now
2:13:52
a maxillent prop and closed source and sleep and I still don't know what eliots
2:13:58
saw, well what we didn't react so negatively, so I have some lingeric
2:14:03
into his the I mean or x A I you know, we're I think
2:14:11
we want to try to create a maximum actually curious actually treats c p A.
2:14:16
I I think open I is you know, not to overuse the term,
2:14:20
but somewhat work in those responses and and well often refuse to make to
2:14:26
give answers or we'll replying to with it. It seems like it's folding you.
2:14:31
We're even asking the question, whereas you know, we're I think we
2:14:35
want to be more like rock wants to be like you know, based GMT,
2:14:45
you know, like a default. And also we want to be we
2:14:48
want to be the funniest AI on the edge let and I think we might
2:14:52
already be there. You know, if you have the choice of using one
2:14:56
a I or another. Why don't use the one? Don't give you a
2:15:00
few laughs along the way. So and and really rock one the rock version
2:15:09
one is was done with very cute people and very little resources and rock opening
2:15:15
back from now it would be a lot better. We'll be able to understand
2:15:18
images generating the images when we're in all that. So I think I think
2:15:26
we'll quite rapidly catch up to Open Eye. And I think there's some value.
2:15:35
Two, there are being multiple players in their space. You don't want
2:15:43
you don't want it to be just went off the dropperly. So I think
2:15:50
that's really good, you know, like that like we used to have over
2:15:58
the the front of the door of Open AI. There's a quote that's always
2:16:05
liked from Lord Acting, which is that liberty consists of the division of power
2:16:11
app and where's absoluteism. It's just in the concentration of power. So I
2:16:16
think to agree that there is a division of power, we have a freer
2:16:20
society than it is concentrated. Now that the table stakes will be competitive in
2:16:31
al siddenly arising rapidly, so it's not like anyone just to walk Class AI.
2:16:37
And you know, using a GPU in their basement, terrible thing.
2:16:45
It's just kind of getting to the point where this year it's probably in these
2:16:50
single digit billions in hardware to have a seat at the adult table rather than
2:16:56
the kidding civil and next year it's probably in the tens of billions. Be
2:17:01
hard work to remain at the set of the adult stable rather than mcning stable.
2:17:07
So anyway, but well, I think we'll try to be We'll probably
2:17:18
be a good aile all this. I guess some truth be a people will
2:17:20
say, well against as someone may want its creator, Well, it's kind
2:17:26
of like, well, in Who's image? If that is true? In
2:17:28
W's image, would you want the to be made? What should think about
2:17:33
that? Let's go to Sally's Sorry, I'm very sorry. I know your
2:17:41
name, but I at this moment I am blanking and all you have are
2:17:43
emojis. But yeah, actually we were probably do need to add more than
2:17:50
simply emojis here. It's hard to define what somebody's saying just from an emoji.
2:17:58
Well, she locally has her name made out of I think it's Solly
2:18:03
Saw right, that's the act. So my name is Selma's thank you,
2:18:09
and I removed my name because of what was talking Catherine? Thank you,
2:18:18
And now I'm just known as the airplane. Airplane, that's what I can't
2:18:31
Yeah, that might be it. I'm having a lot of issues with this
2:18:35
space in general. There's there's so many people, there's and so many requests
2:18:41
that I think that it's glitching. Hey, Elon, not Jerome Powell would
2:18:46
like to know if you still love his printer. Well, we're just going
2:18:54
to keep going no matter what. Yeah. Uh wait, how many dollars
2:19:01
will it be? Ultimately? Lot? At some point the chickens are gonna
2:19:09
come home to roost on the national debt. I might might be our only
2:19:16
hope out of the crushing button of national debt that will building. He did
2:19:22
promise to print me a billion dollars if I asked you that question. So
2:19:26
we're going to hold him to it, or you can. I'm sure that's
2:19:30
worth a lot of money, right, yeah, I Elon, if he
2:19:33
does not give me a billion dollars, will you commit I don't agree to
2:19:41
anything. This is this my Will you commit to banning his account if he
2:19:46
doesn't give me a billion dollars? Yes? Thank you? Okay, this
2:19:56
God's spicy. I am curious to see how that resolves itself now now he
2:20:01
has done. I'm sorry printing mister Printing Press, your accounts seemed to be
2:20:07
banned unless you pay up. I'll yes, I do. Oh, Catherine's
2:20:13
okay, she owes me everything. So wait, is my mom on the
2:20:20
coal or not? I saw her? Well, I saw her and I
2:20:22
invited her. Can I still here? I can see her down there?
2:20:26
And then yeah, so is she not wanting to come up because they sent
2:20:33
her an in? It could just be a glitch too, because I tried.
2:20:37
I tried to get you a good signs question, Elon, and and
2:20:41
I can't seem to bring that particular person up either, so it might just
2:20:45
be a glitch kind of situation. There's like a thousand requests. It's just
2:20:54
regular requests. Katherine. Sorry, I want AirPods. I'm in the middle
2:21:01
of nowhere right now, so my cell phone hours or my cell reception is
2:21:05
bad. But thank you so much. And I'll make this really quick.
2:21:07
I have three questions and I'll ask him quick and feel free to answer in
2:21:11
whatever order you want. One three, I'll make it very quick. Let's
2:21:16
do Ylan, Do you have Catherine's book? And is it signed? I
2:21:24
swear nothing to do with that. I don't think. So, Okay,
2:21:31
well you could. I'm going to use my ex revenue to get you on.
2:21:35
That's what I'm gonna do, Okay, Chacy, Okay, well we
2:21:41
will. I will send him a book if should he want the book.
2:21:45
I did not know. This was not my act. You made me buy
2:21:48
the book and you're just sending musk over here at book for free, of
2:21:56
course, but I'll sign it. Hello everybody, Hello, there your one's
2:22:07
mom. Yes, and I've woken my dog because we're in New York and
2:22:13
now he thinks I said hello to someone at the door. Well have you
2:22:20
have you heard this guy that sounds just like me? The Chinese guy?
2:22:26
I am. There's another one. Here's another one. Yes, I did
2:22:35
hear that too, and I thought it was somebody else that is using AI
2:22:39
to you your boy else. I'm trying to bring him back up. I
2:22:43
just dipped him. Yeah, it just it just sounds like ant. Can
2:22:48
we can we do a contest and see if you can tell the you guys
2:22:54
apart, if you guys can tell him apart. Okay, this is so
2:23:01
weird, I can't do it. Was that your son or was that not
2:23:07
could be. But get him into a megaphone or something, Adrien, and
2:23:13
you stop talking a negative I'd have to probably, I'd have to disconnect whatever
2:23:18
I'm using, like the the the microphone is like a it's it's it's a
2:23:22
weird device. It's like a bone conduction thing. It's yeah, it's quite
2:23:28
old. No, that's you. I'm a very early adopter. Wait,
2:23:33
that was not me, that was in fact Adrian. Whoa, Oh god,
2:23:41
my mom can't even your own mother cannot tell you apart in mother's day.
2:23:48
That's a good, good imitation. I don't know how you do it.
2:23:54
I don't know how I do it either. I just simply exist.
2:23:56
That's bad enough. It's funding attention, it's I think that's literally just how
2:24:05
Adrian sounds every day. Yeah, it's a weird thing. It's actually a
2:24:07
result of cognitive dissonance. I'm actually a German, and I learned English through
2:24:13
the BBC World Service, and then I learned the remainder of it through social
2:24:16
interactions with people in America. I have a lot with you know, video
2:24:22
games or whatever. Right, so at some point I hit this, Yeah,
2:24:24
I hit this level where I basically mixed all of them together. You
2:24:28
have the little bit of the German, the area of the British, you
2:24:31
have the American. It all kind of mixes together, and then I guess
2:24:33
it creates this and at some point my voice drops. I guess it's some
2:24:37
really weird stuff that pieces this together over time, because like before my you
2:24:41
know, if you are a person who has is like on the spectrum like
2:24:46
that, your brain is very unstable in the early stages of your life.
2:24:50
And so in order to make it more stable, you need to kind of
2:24:52
like manufacture your own structure. And so part of that is language and expression,
2:24:56
and so merging all of the all of the abstract elements of the accent
2:25:03
of the accident together created this kind of weird thing that then you know,
2:25:07
helps with the expression of well, you know words, right, yeah,
2:25:11
does he does? He bark ambichan Deutsch van other than comes to each Questian
2:25:26
sins long sam, I look, scood, I look scood actually really right
2:25:39
here? Your what is that? I mean, he's a younger version.
2:25:48
You know, he can start over, he makes a change. It's like
2:25:52
a blind. It's like a blind. But sometimes he's a bit of a
2:25:56
German accent coming out yeah, yeah, you got the you got the hard
2:26:01
course, you got the hard core South African. I know a few friends
2:26:03
are South African. One of them, he's the guy who does agriculture.
2:26:07
Really interesting, dude, he does hydroponics. I love this guy. Yeah,
2:26:11
he's cool. He sounds kind of like he has exact accents that you
2:26:13
have. Yeah. It tells me a lot of interesting stories about the country.
2:26:16
Yeah. A lot of positive stuff too, which I really appreciate.
2:26:20
Okay, that's good. I mean, so what do you think now?
2:26:31
I was about to ask that, Yeah, how trippy is? Are you
2:26:37
freaked out? Can a mother tell? Well? Well, you know,
2:26:39
if you keep on talking, I will know, I will see where you
2:26:43
just go off the accent. Yeah, into a bit of a German acccene.
2:26:48
So then then I'll know it's not alone. But pretty much he sounds
2:26:52
like it's it's bizarre. It's like like an AI voice. I really that's
2:26:58
what you know. I can do your own for you. Yeah, if
2:27:05
you get a particular direct question, just tell me what not to say.
2:27:09
I think that'll be very entertaining. We want to be quite funny. If
2:27:16
it was me and Adrian and uh, that Chinese guy that don't know if
2:27:20
that Chinese guy is actually real or AI generated, but uh, if he's
2:27:28
real, then the three of us on stage could really just be a total
2:27:33
accid. Yeah. I think it would be very amusing and and fascinating.
2:27:43
I think that's a space that should be done. And I think we should
2:27:48
have all sorts of impersonators on the space and and the real people talking to
2:27:52
the I think that would be That's a thought. That's what that one.
2:27:58
Right, There is one feature I don't likes the soundboard line not expect Brian
2:28:05
of Eylan. Please remove the soundboard. I beg you as make it individually.
2:28:13
'll just make it individually adjustable like with this word, right you can
2:28:16
actually Yeah, let that host funny. It is used correctly. Yeah,
2:28:24
it is perhaps like that. Yeah, what kind of beans did you have?
2:28:35
Yeah, let's definitely talk a well for sure, Yeah, let's talk
2:28:37
about it. Brought on company that I thought was going to be serious and
2:28:43
science, and this is what we get. It's the twilet's go the twilet
2:28:48
flushing sound and sound. It's the renic. And then you had the dog
2:28:54
for there is a dog sound. There is a dog sounds. Your mask.
2:29:01
It's the only good one. Hello, yeah, now you're stearing it.
2:29:11
I like the siren. The siren is the worst thing ever, It's
2:29:15
so beautiful. I had this once in a debate and I dropped something and
2:29:18
all of a sudden everybody started spamming the soundboards it with the fire shit.
2:29:20
Ever. I wish I had ported it. But then yeah, oh god,
2:29:28
he became he became the Druid. Now yeah, but what is stuff?
2:29:41
Oh my god, you sound like you're inside the Stasha. Now you
2:30:05
sound like this is a this is a helium balloon. Do you actually have
2:30:13
a helium balloon on you right now? Yeah? I'm balloon? Oh god,
2:30:24
Okay, now back to normal? Elon shout sure were you sure?
2:30:30
Back to me? Can you say, just for Catherine Brodsky's benefit, that
2:30:33
this is the best space You've ever been in? It's the best space I've
2:30:39
ever been in? Thank you? It was. It was pretty pretty fun
2:30:46
and entertaining. And yeah, Catherine, can, I asked? And there
2:30:58
we were. We went from like a serious conversation to like really random questions
2:31:03
to healium balloons. Far to win then and soundedlikes yes, I meant,
2:31:18
yeah, quite journey. We really I could do really quite the journey,
2:31:26
missus mask. This wasn't av Is Elon too old to be grounded to his
2:31:33
room for abusing these voices? Yeah, I didn't think I've sent him to
2:31:41
a room since he was I don't know how often did I send you to
2:31:46
a room eto, It's never to start, very rare if I did.
2:31:50
Ever, you had lots to read. You were always happy to read,
2:31:54
so that was fun. And then video games? Was he a good teenager?
2:32:01
Was he a rebellious teenager? No? Good? But he would fall
2:32:07
off roofs and out of trees. He would fall out of trees. Yeah,
2:32:13
how is it a punishment to send a teenager to their to their realm?
2:32:16
They just played video games. They love to be in their ream Yeah,
2:32:20
but he was who knews? What else they were in video games in
2:32:22
his time? Really? Well, there weren't video games that you're play in
2:32:26
my room. There wasn't a well to use a TV, so there's only
2:32:31
one TV. Yeah that options or you made your own own video game at
2:32:41
twelve years old. And when I showed it to the engineers at the university,
2:32:48
they said, wow, he knows all the shortcuts. And I thought,
2:32:50
okay, I only had like ak Rams. So what was the video
2:32:58
game E one? What was a Blessed Star? Yeah? I mean it's
2:33:03
just it's a space video game where you're fighting an aliens fighting up an alien
2:33:07
spaceship. I like space in Beatis, but more of a one on one
2:33:13
jewel So I guess I just played an early interest in space. So I
2:33:18
peel like, were you always interested in space? Well? I did.
2:33:20
The first video game that I actually sold the money was, in fact the
2:33:22
Space video game, so that suggests an early interesting space. And then you
2:33:28
got five hundred dollars for it, but they didn't know you were twelve,
2:33:31
but it was published when you were thirteen. Yeah. Yeah, but then
2:33:35
I didn't actually have a bank account, so that I I didn't get a
2:33:41
bank account to but yeah, I didn't know I was a kid. So
2:33:46
did you Did you ever blow anything up? Yeah? Sure, blow up
2:33:50
lots of spas. Yeah, but I didn't see it, of course,
2:33:56
because I would go crazy if that happened. I think every one does that
2:34:00
at some point in their lives. I blew up a rock once just because
2:34:03
it was a bad idea. I set a fire to a playground. This
2:34:09
was probably not a good idea. In retrospect, I can see that I
2:34:15
could see Catherine setting fire to the playground. I loved. I love that
2:34:20
stuff, Catherine. Guys about your book to Elan, Oh my god,
2:34:28
I feel so bad, like very kind of you guys to pin my book.
2:34:31
But I feel yeah, I mean, I think I'm sorry. That
2:34:37
was an opener and I really really want that right right, So go ahead
2:34:43
and ask you a question and then we'll go to broad Okay, thank you,
2:34:46
So okay, Eilan question. I'm a woman, and I'm sure you've
2:34:54
gotten this question plenty of times. I've seen you somewhat respond to it.
2:34:58
But the running community is wondering why certain accounts of that basically sponsored by this
2:35:07
republic, that call for the active genocide of not just Iranians themselves, but
2:35:13
Jewish people and the destruction of the state of Israel, why are they allowed
2:35:22
to be on that You've mentioned that, it's there's like hominy because here's the
2:35:30
thing. People in your aren't allowed to use Twitter and sorry x sorry,
2:35:35
So people are not allowed to use this app, but the government belf actively
2:35:43
uses it, and because especially when they cut off the internet when they're doing
2:35:48
executions. So we're just wondering what would it take to remove these accounts from
2:35:54
this platform. Well, I am an. Accounts which call for yeah out
2:36:03
of call for for violence or uh death uh illegal are supposed to be suspended.
2:36:11
So if they're not being suspended, that's an oversight. Now we do
2:36:15
have we're call a sort of an UN exemption, which is that if if
2:36:20
if if it's a recognized government, you know, let's say that Iatola who
2:36:28
is capable, is able to say these things at the u N, then
2:36:31
we do allow them on the platform. For the same reason that that we
2:36:35
sort of generally agreed that it's better to have the new end and not to
2:36:37
have the u N, although some were disagree with me on that because you
2:36:43
know, sometimes you want to sort of understand what is their real position.
2:36:46
So you know, if people are uncertain as to whether, say Iran,
2:36:54
what's the annihilation of Israel, well you can just go look at the Idolos
2:36:58
commount counties pretty clear that they do it fact want then So yeah, But
2:37:05
apart from the sort of UN exemption of if somebody is recognized leader by the
2:37:11
Yuan of the country, which means we allow them to come to New York
2:37:15
even if they're under sanctions, and you know, say also it's about rageous
2:37:18
things at the at the partium in Yuan, then in the interest of sulitating
2:37:26
globill so some kind of dialogue, we do allow them to be on the
2:37:31
system. And obviously if we if we if we apply the rule of well,
2:37:35
if any politician says outrageous things that they get suspended, well we're suspending
2:37:41
a lot of American politicians too. You know, Lindsey Graham keeps wanting to
2:37:46
bomb Iran and and many other places. For example, we don't suspend him,
2:37:54
thank you. I mean, I understand, we just you know,
2:37:56
other platforms that have been on them, and I understand the situation that a
2:38:01
platform such as this would be. But when we do see active calls of
2:38:05
destruction of people, you know, and then other people fall along with it,
2:38:11
it's somewhat the question arises of what is why is a world leader calling
2:38:20
the destruction of not only community but an entire country and also the denial of
2:38:26
the Holocaust itself. And so we're just hoping that maybe something can be done,
2:38:33
maybe the verification can go away, maybe they can be monitored, because
2:38:37
they do have a lot of their own employees on the account as well.
2:38:41
They have around like two hundred fifty thousand Fiber Battalion cyber Army people that do
2:38:46
trol this platform and do get a lot of us reported, and smear campaigns
2:38:54
go on, and earlier there was a conversation around doxing, which it is
2:38:58
very I mean, we have Pride reporting all of these and nothing really happens,
2:39:03
and these accounts are continuously going on, boxing in smear campaigns not just
2:39:09
on public figures, but on individuals such as myself or others that you know,
2:39:16
our lives can be in danger, our families, lives actually are in
2:39:20
Iran, can be in danger. So I appreciate you taking the time to
2:39:24
answer that, but I hope, hope that maybe there can be a little
2:39:28
bit more structure around that and a little bit more attention to people that for
2:39:33
example, I know you mentioned a couple of months ago calling from you know,
2:39:37
a call to genocide of from the River to the Sea, calls for
2:39:39
active suspension, and there are people that are still doing this day. So
2:39:45
I appreciate everything you're doing. I know that you've done a lot for the
2:39:48
running community, but it is an ask from us to maybe try and monitor
2:39:52
certain accounts that have large followings that actively but people's lives in danger. Okay,
2:40:00
sure, yeah, I will look into it. And you know it's
2:40:07
it's not always easy, like obviously you know, it's easier to review things
2:40:13
that are in English. If they are a far see, it's a little
2:40:16
a little harder. But the rules of the platform are suddenly that you know,
2:40:22
equally for the death or the structure of individuals or nations is illegal and
2:40:28
what resultant suspension with the exception of the u N rule, which is that
2:40:33
if somebody is a recognized world leader and can say that the u N,
2:40:35
then we do allow them to say it on the platform for the same reason
2:40:39
that we allowed the UN to you know, your General Assembly to gather in
2:40:43
New York and and say outrageous things. You know, it's not a cut
2:40:48
situation, but probably better than than not having any contact from them. So
2:40:56
all right, cool, Well, I think think all the times you wrap
2:41:03
this up. If we go to a last question and then we'll wrap up.
2:41:07
Elon. This is Brian Keating and professor of physics at U SEE San
2:41:11
Diego. I got two physics questions I'm hoping you can answer or chime in
2:41:16
on. So I study the cosmic microwat background radiation, which is the after
2:41:20
glow of the Big Bang Whi's discovered sixty five years sixty years ago or so,
2:41:24
and this radiation is thermaline origin. And we are applauding your efforts in
2:41:31
the astronomy community to make the Starlink satellites dark for optical astronomy. But we
2:41:37
microwave astronomers who use signals. We're trying to detect this after glow of inflationary
2:41:41
gravitational waves in Cuban, essentially in Cuban, and you know, there's really
2:41:48
no way to block out a million kelvin equivalent signal that you're transmitting with starling.
2:41:52
I'm wondering, is there any way we could work with you from the
2:41:54
South Pole or Chile where our observatories are located, to absolutetive availability or some
2:42:01
way, because once this channel is gone, we'll never get it back.
2:42:05
And this is, you know, potentially precluding a view into the you know,
2:42:09
inflationary origin of the cosmos. So I know, I know it's very
2:42:13
important to you, and we're appreciative of the astronomy efforts and optical astronomy,
2:42:16
but microwave is a totally different ballgame. Sure, I do think long term,
2:42:24
the right place for telescopes or really any a quotroon receiver is in orbit
2:42:31
or you know, basically space, so you don't have the experience worth and
2:42:37
as you're a starship starts launching, we can put up some pretty big heelescopes
2:42:43
or yeah, ten meter diameter telescopes, so pretty hard to put and they
2:42:50
don't really unfold the way that web would. But I mean, I think
2:42:54
we'll be telling that the selective availability. I'm basically blanking it over the South
2:42:56
Pole. We only have two locations on Earth where we need to have it
2:43:01
unobstructed. Okay, is there's someone would you say like these basically just stuff
2:43:07
stoff transmitting just over these. Yeah, it's the two observatory, Yeah,
2:43:13
in the out of Comma Desert in Chile a seventeen thousand feet and the South
2:43:16
Pole Antarctica, which is, yeah, place we'd love to take you,
2:43:22
by the way, Simon's Observatory, Jim Simon's funded it, and that's of
2:43:26
Science Foundation funds the South Pole observatco BISOP and then but yeah, so if
2:43:33
you if you have any resources he could put me in touch with, they
2:43:37
would be really appreciated. Yeah, I mean, I'll talk to these songs
2:43:43
to you about this. I have a we have a technical update every week.
2:43:50
So I was about any observation and microwaves spectrum and out of Comma and
2:43:58
the antartica. So now we don't wish to do in any way the pharmacy
2:44:05
of science. That would be awesome, thank you. I have one more
2:44:07
question, just related to physics and AI and related to Catherine's book which brought
2:44:11
us all here together tonight. The Katherine congratulations Mazeltov them a book. So
2:44:16
the book called No Apologies. One of the things I hate most about chat
2:44:20
GPT woke GPT is you know, he'll ask you some question. I'll say,
2:44:24
you know, what did Brian Keating Wright And I'll say, you know,
2:44:26
losing the Nobel Prize correct, you know, into the impossible correct.
2:44:31
And then I'll say a brief history of time? No that's not correct.
2:44:33
And I'll say, no, that's not right. I didn't write that's Stephen
2:44:37
Hawking. And then we'll talk. I apologize, I apologize, I hate
2:44:41
that, I hate the I want them Katherine Brodsky, No apologies, but
2:44:46
but it made me think about a true Turing test, and I want to
2:44:48
get your opinion on I've asked Nick Bostrom and David Chalmers and your greatest ideas
2:44:52
and thinkers. Peter di Amanda's our mutual friend. I said, do you
2:44:56
know what Einstein called his happiest thought? Elon? That gave him shivers and
2:45:01
titillated him. Do you know what he said that once? He said,
2:45:07
that's PG. Don't worry, he said. He said it was that an
2:45:13
observer in freefall would experience no gravitational force. And it made me think,
2:45:20
because to what extent could a computer or some silicon or even quantum computer,
2:45:26
could it even have either the happiest thought or be experienced the sensation of visceral
2:45:35
sensation of free fol So I'm wondering if you could propose another, you know,
2:45:39
kind of Turing toast, a different definition of AGI, which would be
2:45:43
actually coming up with new laws of physics or new complete paradigms of physics rather
2:45:48
than just you know, physics is a base way of reality. I mean
2:45:52
you always quote that, right, So what to what extent could we could
2:45:56
we redefine AI is when it becomes generally intelligent when it can experience happy thoughts,
2:46:03
free fall and other things like that. So curious about your thoughts fact,
2:46:09
well, I think you can certainly have a that I would think it's
2:46:15
a would not realize this to the simulation which maybe in the case for us
2:46:18
right now, and that would have a you know, a true physics engine
2:46:24
and falling away that a human would fall and thus experienced sensations in the same
2:46:28
way I do think about. I do think there are some the simulations I
2:46:37
have lots us does explain some elements of quantum mechanics, such as, you
2:46:46
know, only collapsing the probability distribution when you look at something like why why
2:46:50
would something the LHC when you look at it, Well, if it's if
2:46:54
it's rendering in real time, then that's actually how video game works. Like
2:46:58
if you're in video like to say in World war craftice something, and you
2:47:03
walk through a forest and there's a rash and a rat appears. But before
2:47:09
that was there a rat or not a rat. There was only a probability
2:47:11
of a rat. So and the rat only became real when you when you
2:47:16
look in that direction. That collapse of quality space and rat appeared. So
2:47:22
so I think version theory actually explains a lot of things that seemed quite mysterious,
2:47:28
the stroderings Cat situation. But it required infinite infinite compute, right,
2:47:35
because you could always say who simulates the simulators? Infinite regret? Right,
2:47:41
It does beg the question of where's where's the simulator running? Yeah, and
2:47:48
and it may be that that that you have a whole series of nested simulations.
2:47:52
But at some point there is the unsimulated thing. But ultimately the physical
2:48:01
reality. I mean, all these things are gonna be running on a rocky
2:48:03
planet somewhere, right that doesn't have infinite copper. It doesn't have infinite mineral
2:48:07
density to retrieve. So I mean there are planetary limits to growth, as
2:48:11
you know, the Club of Rome would call it. Don't those provide I
2:48:16
mean you can't imagine, you know, changing the physical reality of an earth
2:48:20
like planet. You know, you can't imagine these simulations running on something very
2:48:24
different from an Earth like planet. It's not going to run on a Boltzmann
2:48:26
brain. So at some level it needs physical reality. And so again you
2:48:31
can't break a lot of the physics. So how does it get around the
2:48:33
planetary resource problem. You can't make an infinite number of paper clips on a
2:48:37
finite planet. Well, I don't make if you really need that much.
2:48:48
It's not really like like the universe may seem infinite to us. But frankly,
2:48:54
if I was creating a simulation that's reality out you know, out with
2:48:56
the stars far enough the way that we do not have to simulate the details
2:49:00
of the planets, and in fact that it's the situation. So you really
2:49:05
just have to simulate type fidelity what is observed on our planet as much?
2:49:11
How much is their task than old of reality? And I sort of you
2:49:18
know, joking that, you know, when the James Web telescope went up,
2:49:22
that maybe the reason for the blaze was that the simulators needed to bring
2:49:28
more computers online because now that we can see further, they needed to improve
2:49:33
they of their simulation, so like their equivalent of Amazon Web Services or something.
2:49:43
I'd like I'd like to add that I don't think German Elon Voice could
2:49:48
answer in the same way as Elon did. Yeah, there's a gap.
2:49:54
There's a gap. There's a huge Dolge gap. He's older than me.
2:50:00
There's a difference in the simulations. You know, like you know they're not
2:50:03
exact. There's irregularities, they don't quite match up. I think there needs
2:50:09
to be It's like our yeah, and if I wasn't at least pretty good
2:50:15
at physics, then the ruckus would explode and the cause wouldn't work because physics
2:50:20
is a very harsh judge. I mean, I like to say that,
2:50:24
you know, physics is the law and everything else is recommendation, meaning that
2:50:28
you know you can't break physics, but but plenty of people can break the
2:50:31
law. And if you're breaking physics, you're you're either run or you need
2:50:39
a Nobel prize, but most likely you're wrong. He like, can I
2:50:43
ask you a question? A father of half as many kids as you have?
2:50:48
Sure, so I've heard it said, you know you want to you
2:50:52
want to die on Mars, and our mutual friend Lord Martin Reese said,
2:50:56
I just hope it's not on impact, and I agree with that. But
2:51:01
you know, being a father, you've got that cute kid probably right next
2:51:05
to you. I mean, yeah, I mean, but you have other
2:51:11
kids too, and I mean to say goodbye to a child is I mean
2:51:15
you, I don't have to tell you that it's the most painful thing you
2:51:18
can ever imagine. But wouldn't you have to? I mean, wouldn't that
2:51:22
be kind of the ultimate, you know, going away on a business trip,
2:51:26
if you were to do that. I mean, I just I don't
2:51:28
know. I find it hard to go away on a trip, but I
2:51:31
know you take your kids with you. I got one of my girls right
2:51:33
here with me right now, and she doesn't want to go to bed.
2:51:37
But I mean, what would you do? I mean, could you really
2:51:39
say goodbye to some of your kids or some of the people you love,
2:51:43
maybe your mom never see her again. Well I don't want to say good
2:51:50
guy. I mean we'll well, we'll didventually. I think we don't have
2:52:01
to worry about that for a few more years, Okay, I think so
2:52:05
two plus. Maybe they'll want to come on the trip, right, you
2:52:09
don't know, and maybe it'd be quicker, so you can come back if
2:52:13
you want. Is you fear? You fear a lot of things in your
2:52:16
life, but most don't happen. That's very true, very true, so
2:52:24
much She and and uh and and his mom who's doctor musk. So two
2:52:31
musks on one space and then one one person who sounds alike, so you
2:52:35
know it's been a it's been an interesting trip. I think it's not quite
2:52:39
a trip to Mars, but you know, a trip that's three fun.
2:52:43
But but but Catherine, we've got we've got you, We've got will X,
2:52:48
we've got made video space hosted by Catherine when they come out, can
2:52:54
we make that happen? Thanks everyone for joining. Really appreciate and really appreciate
2:53:03
Elon for being here and taking so many questions as well. So thanks everyone,
2:53:07
and uh, we'll see you in Mars. We'll urg just on the
2:53:11
platform X whichever congratu there in space somewhere. Goodnight, everybody, it's midnight
2:53:20
here. Good night, good good night.