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In Defence Of The Flop Era · Two Broke Chicks

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Speaker 3: fireplaces that like they're just a heater, but they look
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Speaker 3: it to anyone. I think everyone gets it sells itself. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Speaker 3: And I've been like, well can if we like, you know,
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Speaker 3: we'll put the portable air coorn in the shed and
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Speaker 3: we can like put a heater there. And he goes,
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Speaker 3: which I don't need to. We don't need to buy
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Speaker 3: and I was like, but one it's ugly, yeah, and
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Speaker 3: two like you know, anyway, the other day it was
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Speaker 3: freaking cold and he pops over and he does his
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Speaker 3: little beat beat beat boot with like little technico boys. Yeah,
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Speaker 3: he goes, Oh, guess what doesn't have a heater in it?
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Speaker 2: It's only it's only cool air.
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Speaker 3: So's why boys are not allowed to do the shopping.
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Speaker 3: Just because I don't want to tell you how much
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Speaker 3: that thing was. I actually saw an article that when
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Speaker 3: men do the grocery shopping, it's more expensive than when
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Speaker 3: women do it.
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Speaker 2: Why am I not fucking shot?
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Speaker 3: So this is from Business Insider. When men do the
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Speaker 3: grocery shopping, households spend more. New data shows this is
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Speaker 3: their caption. So according to Business Insider, not all men
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Speaker 3: are complete noobs when it comes to roam in the aisles.
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Speaker 3: The couples may want to do some extra inspection of
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Speaker 3: what's being bought and how much is being spent when
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Speaker 3: the male half goes to the store. The issue may
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Speaker 3: not just be that men are buying things at random.
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Speaker 3: They may also be inadvertently breaking the budget. Stephanie Johnson,
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Speaker 3: an assistant finance professor at Rice University, says there could
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Speaker 3: be a lot of factors at play here, and it
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Speaker 3: may be that men are less experienced at doing the
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Speaker 3: shopping weaponizing competence, so they're less familiar with prices and deals.
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Speaker 3: Men may spend less overall time shopping, so there's less
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Speaker 3: of a window to browse and compare numbers. That just
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Speaker 3: sounds like a big fat excuse to me.
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Speaker 2: Better Yeah, I agree, but yeah, well I was like,
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Speaker 2: I'm not surprised. Yeah, yeah, disappointing, but not surprising. Yeah yeah,
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Speaker 2: I love that. Well today's episode, speaking speaking speaking of
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Speaker 2: flopped in boots, flop the house down, Flop the house down?
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Speaker 3: Should we get into floppy Doodle? And I was like,
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Speaker 3: we can't actually take that one with this? Yeah, Oh
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Speaker 3: my god, like, should we get into I don't know,
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Speaker 3: Let's say we're reading a book. We'll be like, oh,
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Speaker 3: should we read our bookie doodle? Yeah? Or like shall
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Speaker 3: we sit down for dinny doodles?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like actually floppy doodle because we're going to
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Speaker 2: get the e next.
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Speaker 3: There's always the episode what do you mean?
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Speaker 2: True? But today's episode we're chatting in defense of the
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Speaker 2: flop error. The rise of the flop, the rise of
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Speaker 2: the flop, the eyes of the flop.
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Speaker 3: I like that, let's bring back the flop. Yeah, I'm
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Speaker 3: thinking of hustling. I want to flop.
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Speaker 2: Let's get into a flop error. Okay, what is a
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Speaker 2: flop error to you? What would be your like description
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Speaker 2: of a flop error? My description of a flop error
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Speaker 2: would be when things are just feeling a bit meth.
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Speaker 2: I don't think it's necessary, and because it's an error,
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Speaker 2: it's maybe not forever. It's just a little period in
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Speaker 2: your life when you're feeling a bit meth. Literally, yeah,
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Speaker 2: you get it.
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Speaker 3: A little period in your life where you're feeling a
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Speaker 3: bit meth.
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Speaker 2: When you've got your period.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's a flop error.
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Speaker 2: That's a flop error.
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Speaker 3: But a flop area is a term that basically defines
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Speaker 3: a time in your life where you're experiencing like setbacks
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Speaker 3: or a bit of a lull, a bit of a
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Speaker 3: dull in the spark, or you maybe just feel like
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Speaker 3: you're in a bit of a rut. And the term
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Speaker 3: started to kind of circulate around twenty twenty, which we
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Speaker 3: all know what happened then, but especially within the music industry,
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Speaker 3: and was used by people online when they were talking
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Speaker 3: about like a dip in an artist's career, or even
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Speaker 3: just potentially songs itself, like we'd hear bop, but then
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Speaker 3: we also would hear flop, you know. And it could
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Speaker 3: also refer to things like albums that didn't quite hit
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Speaker 3: like their other music, like if a you know, an
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Speaker 3: artist had had back to back bangers and hits and
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Speaker 3: then they sometimes and very often come out with something
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Speaker 3: a little bit different and then that one doesn't quite hit.
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Speaker 3: It got coined by the term flop yeap. So there's
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Speaker 3: also this term online called the Kia asylum or the
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Speaker 3: KaiA asylum. It depends on how you look it up.
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Speaker 3: He was explaining to us the other day, Luca Level, Yeah, exactly.
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Speaker 2: I think most people say Kia Asylum. Yeah, but apparently
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Speaker 2: it's Kaya. But I feel like we can say Kia
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Speaker 2: for this because that's how most people.
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Speaker 3: Say it, and it's basically I had never heard of
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Speaker 3: this until this year. Yeah, but it's pop purgatory, so
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Speaker 3: it's where fans place artists when they're starting to lose relevance.
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Speaker 3: When I heard this, I was like, that is so mean.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: I know that it's supposed to be a bit funny
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Speaker 2: haha teahi, but I also think it's really fucking mean.
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Speaker 3: It's so rogue. Like I can't even imagine being an
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Speaker 3: artist or an actor or anyone anyone doing anything creative
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Speaker 3: and then being like, oh no, their work sucks.
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Speaker 2: Right now, they're in the Keia Asylum.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Crazy, but it's named after Kaya. They're the rapper behind
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Speaker 3: they hit my neck, my back iconicic which if anyone
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Speaker 3: needs a rendition, this one's like my neck mar marpus. Great,
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Speaker 3: we won't say the words, Oh, okay, that's fine now
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Speaker 3: I only with Chess Baby. And so that obviously is
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Speaker 3: a song with huge cultural impact.
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Speaker 2: I remember the first time I heard it, really it
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Speaker 2: changed two I think of two thousand and three. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: and I was at my friend's house, like in Thrall
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Speaker 2: where I grew up, and we heard it on the radio,
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Speaker 2: and I just remember our eyes like opening like sauces
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Speaker 2: and being like, oh my god, like I just can't
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Speaker 2: believe it.
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Speaker 3: I don't remember the first time, but I think my
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Speaker 3: version of that is when I was like twelve years
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Speaker 3: old singing Rude Boy by Brianna in the front seat yeah,
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Speaker 3: being like, come on, rude boy boy, can you get
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Speaker 3: it up?
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Speaker 4: I know.
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Speaker 2: I love when we're like, oh.
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Speaker 3: Come on, boy boy, is you big enough? And I
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Speaker 3: was seeing that with Chess and my mom was like, oh, okay, yeah, though,
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Speaker 3: whatt a here? Absolutely great song, probably my top five
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Speaker 3: Brianna's if I'm Gonna, If I'm gonna go out there,
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Speaker 3: You're like, okay, top five, go now. But the reason
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Speaker 3: it came from that is because that artist had such
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Speaker 3: a hit with that first song and then didn't really
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Speaker 3: have any that followed behind it. We were also talking
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Speaker 3: about when we were talking about this episode, Mike Posner
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Speaker 3: and how he had that hit cooler than Me Yeah,
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Speaker 3: and then then no one ever heard from him again,
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Speaker 3: Like Cooler than Me was everywhere big number one, and
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Speaker 3: then crickets, and then years later he wrote a song
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Speaker 3: about literally that being like I had a hit and
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Speaker 3: then flop flop up flop, and then that song became
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Speaker 3: a hit and then haven't heard another song since. Thank God.
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Speaker 3: I'm not a musician. Honestly, I don't think I'm built
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Speaker 3: for it.
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Speaker 2: It's like the modern version of a one hit wonder.
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Speaker 3: Yes, exactly, And so it kind of refers to those
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Speaker 3: songs or those experiences where like, most people know the song,
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Speaker 3: but maybe they don't know who sang it, or they
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Speaker 3: don't know much about you know, what's come after it.
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Speaker 3: And so there's also a list of current pop stars
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Speaker 3: who are apparently in the Kira Asylum, and some of
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Speaker 3: them include Katie Perry, Meghan Trayna, Rita Aura, and bb Rexa.
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Speaker 3: Which I think that's interesting because bb Rexa actually made
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Speaker 3: her own memes about being in the Keira Asylum. Did
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Speaker 3: you see that?
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Speaker 2: She kind of embraces it a bit more, which I
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Speaker 2: think is interesting because we've also seen other artists who
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Speaker 2: have allegedly escaped the Kia Asylum kind of do the same,
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Speaker 2: like Charlie XCX or Zya Larsen and I feel like
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Speaker 2: they're in a different position because they've been applauded and
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Speaker 2: celebrated for escaping the care asylum, whereas I'm like, props
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Speaker 2: to you, bb rexa, like being able to make fun
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Speaker 2: of something that would be really hurtful, Like all of
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Speaker 2: the Internet are saying this about you, and she is
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Speaker 2: so fucking talented too. That's what like pisses me off
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Speaker 2: about shit like this. So I'm like, there's real people
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Speaker 2: behind that, and they can see it. I know it's
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Speaker 2: supposed to be funny and maybe I'm deeping it. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: like sensitive, but I'm like, no.
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Speaker 3: I would, I'd hurt my feelings hurt. Yeah, seriously, but
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Speaker 3: I really love.
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Speaker 2: You.
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Speaker 3: Know a lot of Zara Larson interviews have also had
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Speaker 3: her talking about it, and I know she had like
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Speaker 3: her documentary about how like she was getting so much
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Speaker 3: pressure from her recording company because she hadn't had a
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Speaker 3: hit in years and now like you need to like
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Speaker 3: get out now and ever, yeah, like you've had flops,
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Speaker 3: we need you to get out of the flop erar
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Speaker 3: And in an interview she was saying how she's not
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Speaker 3: she's completely unafraid of flopping now because she did she
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Speaker 3: already lived it. And like she's like, it's not actually
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Speaker 3: the end of the world.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, exactly.
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Speaker 3: But we asked you, chicks, is this idea unfair or justified?
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Speaker 3: And we told you about whether or not you'd even
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Speaker 3: heard of the Kia asylum in relation to pop stars,
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Speaker 3: and eighty eight percent of you said you'd never heard
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Speaker 3: of it, seven percent said you knew about the term,
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Speaker 3: and five percent said you'd heard of it but didn't
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Speaker 3: know what it meant, which I was kind of surprised
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Speaker 3: by that same I was like.
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Speaker 2: Are we just chronically online probably, which yeah, we probably are.
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Speaker 2: But I do think that flop error is maybe the
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Speaker 2: more popularized term. And we've spoken about some of those,
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Speaker 2: like smaller artists who are allegedly stuck in the Kia asylum.
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Speaker 2: But I don't think anybody is safe from the flop era.
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Speaker 2: Like there are lots of conversations at the moment about
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Speaker 2: Harry Styles and that he's in his flop err at
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Speaker 2: the moment, Which are.
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Speaker 3: You taking that I think personal attack?
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Speaker 2: Not really because slack. I am a Harry Styles apologist,
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Speaker 2: Like I'm probably just gonna love him and everything he
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Speaker 2: does forever. Like I understand that I'm very biased and
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Speaker 2: I think there's other fandoms that are very similar, like
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Speaker 2: Taylor Swift's fandom I think is similar to that, Like
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Speaker 2: if you love her, you're probably just gonna love it
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Speaker 2: everything that she does, yeah, all the iterations and everything,
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Speaker 2: And I would hate for like, yeah, I wouldn't want
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Speaker 2: to be stuck doing the same shit all the time,
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Speaker 2: So I can understand when they want to mix it up.
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Speaker 2: But yeah, there's quite a lot of discourse online about
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Speaker 2: his new album Kiss all the Time Disco occasionally, and
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Speaker 2: I just realized I'm wearing some merch from that, so shit,
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Speaker 2: I'm not helping my cause. But it's received like a
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Speaker 2: lot of mixed reviews, Like a lot of people are
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Speaker 2: saying that it kind of there was a bit of
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Speaker 2: noise around Aperture when that came out, which was like
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Speaker 2: the lead single off the album, and then since then,
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Speaker 2: I don't think we've really heard many people talking about it,
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Speaker 2: and it definitely hasn't got the same level of hype
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Speaker 2: as his most recent albums.
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Speaker 3: Would you agree, Yeah, i'd agree, But I also just like,
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Speaker 3: as you're talking, I was just thinking about how this
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Speaker 3: whole idea behind it is kind of just it just
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Speaker 3: reminds me of like the bean soup theory and how like,
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Speaker 3: if you unfamiliar, the bean soup theory is essentially when
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Speaker 3: making fun or poking fun at when people online, if
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Speaker 3: they don't like it, then it needs to be fixed.
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Speaker 3: So it kind of stemmed from this lady who like
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Speaker 3: kind of stem from the example comes from you know,
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Speaker 3: someone online going this is how I make my bean soup,
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Speaker 3: and someone in the comments going, well, I don't like beans,
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Speaker 3: so what else could I make it with? And it's like, well,
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Speaker 3: just don't make it then, yeah, have a salad, yeah, like,
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Speaker 3: have pumpkin soup. I don't know, yeah, like, And so
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Speaker 3: the bean soup is like not you don't You're not
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Speaker 3: gonna like everything. That's okay, But does that make it
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Speaker 3: a flop? Maybe not?
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Speaker 2: Well, I think that's definitely an interesting take because it's like, yeah,
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Speaker 2: how much does personal taste just come into this? Because
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Speaker 2: he's also, you know, yeah, released his album, He's kicked
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Speaker 2: off his tour Together Together, which has sold out in
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Speaker 2: multiple cities, but there has been a lot of critique
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Speaker 2: of that tour at the moment as well, like even
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Speaker 2: just about you know, the set list, even that he's
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Speaker 2: wearing more toned down outfits and previous tours. There's been
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Speaker 2: critiques of like the stage production and the setup and
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Speaker 2: that I.
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Speaker 3: Haven't even seen anything from the tour. I didn't even
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Speaker 3: know he was full ring.
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Speaker 2: It only started this week. Oh, in Amsterdam, he did
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Speaker 2: his first two shows, and there's been I guess because
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Speaker 2: I'm on Harry Talk as well, so I'm going to
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Speaker 2: see shit like straight away. But yeah, there's been a
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Speaker 2: lot of critique around it, and part of me is like,
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Speaker 2: are we just like piling on now too?
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Speaker 3: I do think like naturally with music, books, movies, that
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Speaker 3: does come with critique, like that's just naturally. There's always
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Speaker 3: been movie reviews, there's always been book reviews, and there's
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Speaker 3: always been music reviews, Like that's just naturally what Yeah,
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Speaker 3: kind of comes with it as well, Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Which is completely fair enough. And it also reminded me
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Speaker 2: of Charlie XCX too, because she's had a huge couple
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Speaker 2: of years and again has been applauded for escaping the
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Speaker 2: Kia Asylum, and you know, she's been one of those
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Speaker 2: artists who's been in the industry for like, you know,
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Speaker 2: ten plus years and has only just really become like
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Speaker 2: one of the big pop girlies, and then she's released
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Speaker 2: a new single called rock Music, and because it doesn't
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Speaker 2: sound exactly like Brat, everyone's like she's back in the
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Speaker 2: Kia asylum, like send her back. She's in a fluff era.
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Speaker 2: And that's what I think is interesting, because we've sort
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Speaker 2: of moved from this place where it's like, yes, we
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Speaker 2: can critique things, we can recognize that maybe something isn't
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Speaker 2: as much of a commercial success or hit as one
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Speaker 2: of their previous pieces of work, but does that mean
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Speaker 2: that it's instantly flop. What I think is interesting about
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Speaker 2: this and how it can be applied is that it's
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Speaker 2: kind of like a sign of tall poppy syndrome. Like
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Speaker 2: as soon as people hit the spotlight and at the
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Speaker 2: top of their career, we love seeing that, we love
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Speaker 2: an underdog story. Yeah, but then we resent and criticize
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Speaker 2: people for their success and want to tear them down,
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Speaker 2: and if anything is even slightly off the mark, then
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Speaker 2: we feel like they're in their flop era. And yes,
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Speaker 2: we're talking about celebrities and you know, pop stars and
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Speaker 2: all of that, but I do think that this whole
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Speaker 2: cyclical nature of success tall poppy flop era is kind
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Speaker 2: of like a Rapper sentation of how we see ourselves
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Speaker 2: and that we're so quick to critique and label anything
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Speaker 2: as a flop error, even if we're slightly deviating off
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Speaker 2: of something or.
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Speaker 3: Like, is the expectations we set on ourselves the reason
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Speaker 3: why we it's so easy to call ourselves in a
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Speaker 3: flop error or so easy to critique our own failures.
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Speaker 5: And I do think that's potentially even like the way
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Speaker 5: to look at when we look at celebrities.
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Speaker 3: When we look at that, I mean, you know, we've
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Speaker 3: used music as the example to kind of showcase, you know,
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Speaker 3: the history behind this and how flop has kind of become.
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Speaker 3: Every time I'm saying it, I'm laughing in my head.
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Speaker 3: I just want you to know that.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, But it's like even when Jennifer Lawrence when she
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Speaker 3: had like a bunch of movies come out, and she
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Speaker 3: was like, I'm just going to go away for a
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Speaker 3: couple of years because I think everyone's going to be
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Speaker 3: sick of me. Yeah, And I'm like, there's two ways
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Speaker 3: I look at this, right. There's the way that it's like, Okay,
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Speaker 3: we're looking at like celebrities, and like how it's like,
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Speaker 3: are we not allowed to succeed or fly too close
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Speaker 3: to the sun because it's going to piss other people
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Speaker 3: off that we feel like we.
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Speaker 2: Need to flop.
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Speaker 3: And then the other one is like, I do think
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Speaker 3: there's a more toned down part of this context, and
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Speaker 3: it's like the internal flop. There's external flop and internal flop.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Like, and what this first section has been about has
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Speaker 3: been more about external perception and to declare someone else
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Speaker 3: in a flop error.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: But then there's also and probably more aligned universally, is
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Speaker 3: the internal flop error when you really do just feel
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Speaker 3: like you're in a bit of a rut, when you
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Speaker 3: feel like nothing's kind of hitting, when you're not really
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Speaker 3: sure what's igniting that passion in you. But that's why
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Speaker 3: I wanted to talk about this, because I'm gonna go
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Speaker 3: out on a limb here. I'm like, sometimes the flop
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Speaker 3: is necessary, right, we need the flop error.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's got a bit of a bad rap.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, Like, is the flop error really that bad? I
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Speaker 3: don't really think so, because, like, yes, a flop error
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Speaker 3: can really like damage your confidence if you have had
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Speaker 3: repeated setbacks, if you can easily fall into the trap
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Speaker 3: of like, you know, the idea that every new thing
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Speaker 3: you're going to try is going to end in disaster
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Speaker 3: or you know, it's it's that's not true, Like just
19:27
Speaker 3: because something hasn't worked in the past doesn't mean it's
19:30
Speaker 3: not going to work again. But I do I understand that, Like, yeah,
19:33
Speaker 3: flop error is not the goal, of course, but it's
19:36
Speaker 3: also like doesn't need to be avoided like the plague,
19:40
Speaker 3: because I think you can look at the flop error
19:43
Speaker 3: as like maybe just you need a rest.
19:47
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think that's so fair, and we're just
19:51
Speaker 2: we're so hard on ourselves and having a flop error
19:55
Speaker 2: is inevitable, Like you can't be at the top of
19:58
Speaker 2: your game or your best one hundred percent of the time.
20:02
Speaker 3: If you, okay, if you did like the fucking everything
20:06
Speaker 3: shower and did the Thursday night glow up every single day,
20:10
Speaker 3: that just then becomes the standard exactly. You know. I
20:15
Speaker 3: loved that fucking quote of Kylie Jenner on therapaut going.
20:20
Speaker 3: I thought, like, there's been so many times that I
20:22
Speaker 3: thought I was depressed, and then I went and got
20:23
Speaker 3: a spray tan and I just realized I was pale.
20:27
Speaker 2: I was like, girl, honestly, yeah, she knew what she
20:30
Speaker 2: was doing with that. She was like instant TikTok sound. Yeah,
20:35
Speaker 2: that was so good, so true, And that's the end
20:38
Speaker 2: of the episode. Get U Spray Dan.
20:40
Speaker 3: Do you feel like you've ever been in a flop era?
20:43
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, so many times, almost constantly, Sally. No, But
20:51
Speaker 2: I think that's pretty normal, isn't it. Like I do
20:54
Speaker 2: think that there have been periods where I'm like, I'm
20:56
Speaker 2: just like not happy with what I'm doing. But also
20:58
Speaker 2: I think that it's all so normal to like, even
21:01
Speaker 2: just through the weeks and months, to have like a
21:03
Speaker 2: day new wake up and you're like, today's just a flop. Yeah,
21:07
Speaker 2: like you know, I woke up my hair as being weird,
21:09
Speaker 2: I missed the train, and I spilled coffee on myself.
21:11
Speaker 2: Like you're just gonna have days like that. But also
21:15
Speaker 2: I just try and remember that, Wait, you.
21:16
Speaker 3: Spilled coffee on yourself this morning? Did you miss the
21:19
Speaker 3: train this morning?
21:19
Speaker 2: I didn't. I got an uber because I was carrying
21:21
Speaker 2: this way okay, I was like, wait, has this the cupway?
21:25
Speaker 3: Do you feel like you're popping right now?
21:27
Speaker 4: No?
21:27
Speaker 2: I mean my sleepy, sleepy area, a sleepy error. But yeah,
21:33
Speaker 2: I don't think. I think, yeah, definitely, But like you
21:35
Speaker 2: were saying, I do think that they've been for the
21:38
Speaker 2: best and that they're so character building. I know that's
21:42
Speaker 2: a cliche, but I do think it's true. And we
21:44
Speaker 2: were speaking to somebody or we heard something the other
21:47
Speaker 2: day and I'm trying to remember who said it. You
21:48
Speaker 2: might be able to remember because we were both there,
21:51
Speaker 2: But somebody said that it's really hard because so often
21:55
Speaker 2: when you work on something, you work just as hard
21:59
Speaker 2: if it fly or if it's succeeds.
22:01
Speaker 3: Do you want to know what it was?
22:02
Speaker 2: Who said it?
22:03
Speaker 3: Alan Mankin, Alan Menkin sal and I okay, pause sow
22:09
Speaker 3: got my tickets to go see Alan Menkin for one
22:12
Speaker 3: night only for Christmas. And if you don't know who
22:15
Speaker 3: Alan Mankin is, he is the orchestral composer for like
22:19
Speaker 3: all of our favorite Disney movies. He does a Little Mermaid,
22:22
Speaker 3: he does Aladdin, he did Pocohonness, he did Beauty in
22:24
Speaker 3: the Beast. And so it was this beautiful evening that
22:29
Speaker 3: fucked me up because basically I didn't know a lot
22:33
Speaker 3: of the history about his career, but essentially the first
22:36
Speaker 3: half of the evening was him talking about his best
22:39
Speaker 3: friend that was his co pilot, that there was two
22:43
Speaker 3: of them that they worked on every project together, and
22:46
Speaker 3: then his best friend died. Yeah, and he's playing all
22:51
Speaker 3: of this. I'm gonna start crying. He's playing all these songs.
22:55
Speaker 3: Fuck you, I've got my period.
22:57
Speaker 2: I felt like we're about his best friend that he
23:00
Speaker 2: worked with who died, and I'm sitting.
23:03
Speaker 4: Next to zeal And I was like why.
23:10
Speaker 3: I was like, I didn't know it was going to
23:11
Speaker 3: be like this. It was so fucked up.
23:15
Speaker 5: And I swear to fucking God, if you ever die,
23:18
Speaker 5: I'm going to go down there and I'm going.
23:21
Speaker 3: To kick your ass and I'm going to bring you
23:23
Speaker 3: back up here. But it was so fucked up, and
23:26
Speaker 3: it was so beautiful, and it was just so incredible
23:28
Speaker 3: to see how many of like the songs were just
23:31
Speaker 3: truly like influenced by, you know, their relationship. And they
23:37
Speaker 3: worked on Aladdin together before his friend tragically passed away,
23:42
Speaker 3: and then for the musical. He worked on the Broadway
23:46
Speaker 3: musical after Howard had passed, and he ended up writing
23:50
Speaker 3: the song Proud of Your Boy.
23:51
Speaker 2: Yes, so fucked finished. He finished the show with Proud
23:57
Speaker 2: of Your Boy, and.
24:00
Speaker 4: It was so sad, I can't.
24:02
Speaker 3: Talk about this when I may period. That's actually crazy.
24:06
Speaker 2: But it was really interesting because he was talking about
24:09
Speaker 2: his career and obviously he has had so many incredible moments,
24:13
Speaker 2: like the orchestral score for The Little Mermaid beating and
24:16
Speaker 2: the Base.
24:16
Speaker 3: Which like everyone knew, everyone knew every word. Oh he
24:19
Speaker 3: tangled as well.
24:20
Speaker 2: Yeah, so many.
24:21
Speaker 3: And then my favorite part of the evening was that
24:23
Speaker 3: he also performed his flops. He performed like.
24:29
Speaker 2: The songs that no one knew from Newsi's which was
24:33
Speaker 2: like a absolute flop when it came out with Christian
24:36
Speaker 2: Bale in it.
24:37
Speaker 3: Yeah, but then it has now become a Broadway hit
24:39
Speaker 3: and like, we didn't even plan to talk about this,
24:41
Speaker 3: but I love how much it applies that even when
24:45
Speaker 3: things came out. So he also worked on the Hunchback
24:48
Speaker 3: of Notre Dame. Notre Dame. Yeah, I don't know. So
24:52
Speaker 3: he worked on the Hunchback of Notre Dame. And they
24:54
Speaker 3: were like, there are just some projects that you care
24:56
Speaker 3: about a bit more, and that was one of them.
24:58
Speaker 3: He was like, we were really passionate about the soundtrack
25:00
Speaker 3: for this. We loved the score, and when it came out,
25:04
Speaker 3: it didn't perform. It didn't do well. It was a
25:06
Speaker 3: bit of a flop. However, years later, The Hunchback of
25:11
Speaker 3: Notre Dame has become one of the most successful Disney
25:13
Speaker 3: movies ever. Yeah, so it goes to show that even
25:17
Speaker 3: if something flops on the first go, it doesn't mean
25:21
Speaker 3: it's a forever flop. Yeah, Like it can still grow
25:25
Speaker 3: and become more than what the initial reception or thought
25:30
Speaker 3: or attitude towards something is. And yeah, in the show,
25:34
Speaker 3: it was just such a throwaway line, but it literally
25:37
Speaker 3: like hook anchored sincred into that's not a word, into
25:40
Speaker 3: my brain and your brain as well.
25:41
Speaker 2: We both just looked at each other and we were like,
25:43
Speaker 2: I was dead at that point.
25:45
Speaker 3: I was a puddle on the fucking chair. In X Men,
25:48
Speaker 3: there's a guy who like turns into a superhero and
25:51
Speaker 3: his thing is literally he becomes a puddle of water.
25:53
Speaker 3: And that was fucking me because he fecked me up.
25:56
Speaker 5: And I was also leaving to go away from a
25:58
Speaker 5: week from you, and it's like, that is the craziest
26:01
Speaker 5: thing you've ever.
26:02
Speaker 3: Done to me. Oh, sorry about that, And yeah, he said,
26:06
Speaker 3: the thing is, you work just as hard on the
26:09
Speaker 3: things that succeed as well as the things that don't,
26:12
Speaker 3: and you care as much about them. And I think
26:14
Speaker 3: that was such a beautiful thing and a really important
26:17
Speaker 3: thing to note that he still loved all of his
26:19
Speaker 3: work and it didn't matter how other people thought of it.
26:23
Speaker 3: It didn't matter if it won an Oscar or if
26:27
Speaker 3: no one fucking had heard of it, and he still
26:30
Speaker 3: like was sitting there believing in these things, going. You know,
26:34
Speaker 3: I really hope we can bring this back to Broadway
26:36
Speaker 3: one day. I really hope more people because this one
26:39
Speaker 3: I'm really proud of, and that it kind of was
26:43
Speaker 3: so motivating because it's like, even if you work on
26:46
Speaker 3: something and you're really passionate about it, maybe you want
26:49
Speaker 3: to start a side hustle, you want to start a business,
26:51
Speaker 3: and you know, you go live and I've seen people
26:55
Speaker 3: posting content and it's like, you know, you see people
26:58
Speaker 3: post content of the Shopify notifications going insane, and maybe
27:02
Speaker 3: you launch a business and you get two sales that day.
27:05
Speaker 4: Right.
27:06
Speaker 3: That's not to say it's a flop, but it's so
27:08
Speaker 3: easy to fall into that comparison trap.
27:11
Speaker 1: Right.
27:12
Speaker 3: Or let's say you want to start like posting on
27:16
Speaker 3: Instagram or TikTok, and you want to start going into creating,
27:19
Speaker 3: but you only get two hundred views, Like, it doesn't
27:22
Speaker 3: mean it's a flop. The flop is not like a
27:26
Speaker 3: death certificate essentially, it's not final. Yeah yeah, And I
27:31
Speaker 3: think I actually feel a bit sick after. Yeah, I know,
27:33
Speaker 3: I feel like I put that in the repressed part
27:35
Speaker 3: of my brain that was not a no one ever
27:40
Speaker 3: goes see Helen Menkin with your best friend.
27:42
Speaker 2: Actually it was beautiful and everyone did. Yeah, it is incredible.
27:45
Speaker 2: But I love that because I do think that the
27:49
Speaker 2: flop eraror isn't something to be feared. It's something to
27:52
Speaker 2: be embraced. And there's that quote that we love that
27:56
Speaker 2: the flop is the hardest before the sleigh.
27:59
Speaker 3: Oh yeah. And also like if it's if I'm in
28:02
Speaker 3: like a physical flop, if I'm like, oh, I just
28:05
Speaker 3: feel a bit ugly, which is fine, okay, yes, we
28:09
Speaker 3: I think we can also just normalize feeling a little
28:11
Speaker 3: bit ugly. You're not actually ugly, but you're allowed to
28:14
Speaker 3: be like, I'm fucking ugly today, and that's okay.
28:16
Speaker 4: Yeah.
28:16
Speaker 2: When you're in your illudial phase, the win.
28:19
Speaker 3: When you do the full rebrand god, you could kick
28:24
Speaker 3: your door off. It good.
28:27
Speaker 2: It's good.
28:28
Speaker 3: Like when I do like the fake tan in the
28:29
Speaker 3: hair wash, the blow dry wacks my eyebrows accidentally waxed
28:32
Speaker 3: off half my eyebrow. Do you want to say, show
28:34
Speaker 3: me ye works off on Tuesday, but I got bangs,
28:40
Speaker 3: so you can't see.
28:42
Speaker 4: Yeah, Oh my god, Oh my god, my god, show me.
28:56
Speaker 2: What it was an AX show show me at the
29:00
Speaker 2: same time, at the same time, at the same time.
29:08
Speaker 3: The right one, the left one was good, and then
29:12
Speaker 3: the right one. I did that one a little bit
29:14
Speaker 3: too close to the sun, so you had.
29:17
Speaker 2: To try and meet it.
29:17
Speaker 3: And so then I tried to meet in the middle
29:19
Speaker 3: of the left one, but then the left one, I
29:21
Speaker 3: really showed me the both. Oh god, I have bangs.
29:28
Speaker 3: You can't tell.
29:30
Speaker 2: Do your eyebrows go back quickly? It's crazy show the
29:33
Speaker 2: camera I was I really thought that was going to
29:39
Speaker 2: be hyperbole.
29:41
Speaker 4: Oh my god.
29:43
Speaker 2: If we leave this in the episode, chicks, please watch
29:45
Speaker 2: this on YouTube so you can see.
29:48
Speaker 3: I also just want to go ahead and say I
29:49
Speaker 3: didn't think it was that bad.
29:51
Speaker 4: Wow.
29:52
Speaker 3: Everyone's reactions of maybe rethink I can just like draw
29:57
Speaker 3: it on. You can't see it I have bags. It's fun.
29:59
Speaker 6: Exactly you'd be depends, but I literally I did it
30:01
Speaker 6: and I was like, ship, damn well respect so I'm current,
30:09
Speaker 6: but yeah.
30:10
Speaker 3: But they grow up.
30:11
Speaker 2: I'll go back and they'll be even more beautiful.
30:19
Speaker 5: Ship, I'm gonna fucking wax half your eyebrow off in
30:24
Speaker 5: your sleep.
30:24
Speaker 2: I only have two hands to work with. They whax themselves.
30:27
Speaker 3: They were really hairy, and I was really off it.
30:30
Speaker 2: At least it's not at the front, it's on the
30:33
Speaker 2: I never touched the front.
30:34
Speaker 3: I just in the back. And then I just I
30:36
Speaker 3: think a little bit of wax just got a little
30:38
Speaker 3: bit too high up, and.
30:39
Speaker 4: When I ripped it off, I knew, I know, wow,
30:43
Speaker 4: wow wow wow.
30:44
Speaker 3: Yeah.
30:44
Speaker 2: Well I love it embracing the.
30:47
Speaker 5: I didn't think it was that of a flop, but
30:51
Speaker 5: now I'm really thinking my armbrows have been putting the
30:54
Speaker 5: key of so exactly the latest help just the.
30:59
Speaker 2: Brow just a little bit.
31:02
Speaker 5: So yeah, maybe the rebrand isn't as good as you
31:04
Speaker 5: think it is. Maybe the rebrand actually furthers the floor apparently.
31:08
Speaker 2: Yeah, but we want to get into embracing the floor.
31:29
Speaker 3: My god, there's this thing called life domains strategy. You
31:35
Speaker 3: can use the life domain strategy to kind of touch
31:39
Speaker 3: in with the flop right, so you can rate each
31:43
Speaker 3: of your life domains from one to ten, so physical,
31:46
Speaker 3: in our spiritual, intellectual, social, career, and goals progress. And
31:51
Speaker 3: I do think this is a really good thing to
31:53
Speaker 3: do because so often if one thing in your life
31:56
Speaker 3: isn't on the trajectory or the pathway that you want
31:59
Speaker 3: it to be. Akay, eyebrows, you can maybe focus in
32:03
Speaker 3: on that a little bit too much, Like I am
32:04
Speaker 3: now because I can't think of anything else.
32:10
Speaker 2: Funny, But that's so true.
32:14
Speaker 3: About your reaction. I'm sorry you ran away. I just
32:18
Speaker 3: wasn't expecting that anyway, But you can kind of.
32:21
Speaker 2: Zero don't want to take a photo of it for you.
32:28
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I'll put it in my smile vihile,
32:30
Speaker 2: Oh my god.
32:30
Speaker 3: Okay, but it does help you realize that, like sometimes
32:34
Speaker 3: we can have like a when it rains at Pau's mentality,
32:38
Speaker 3: but it's actually just drizzling.
32:40
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's in one suburb of your life.
32:42
Speaker 4: Yeah.
32:43
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can see that, and you're like, why is
32:45
Speaker 2: it raining?
32:45
Speaker 3: It's over there, But like when you look over to
32:48
Speaker 3: the left, the sun is shining and the other eyebrow
32:51
Speaker 3: looks fine. Okay, So it kind of forces you to
32:55
Speaker 3: look at the big picture rather than zeroing in on
32:58
Speaker 3: that like source of anxiety. So based on the rating,
33:02
Speaker 3: you can kind of come up with some daily or
33:05
Speaker 3: weekly habits or just a little bit of a plan
33:07
Speaker 3: to improve your rating and glow up in each domain.
33:11
Speaker 2: Without waxing off half your eyebrow.
33:13
Speaker 3: So, for example, if you were feeling busy, and I'm
33:17
Speaker 3: not just talking physical looks either, like sometimes in your body,
33:20
Speaker 3: like in your bones, you're like I can't move, like
33:23
Speaker 3: I can't get out of bed, like you just a
33:26
Speaker 3: drained Today has drained. So it could be trying to
33:32
Speaker 3: go for a walk or sit in the sun in
33:34
Speaker 3: the morning. You know, it could be trying a new hairstyle,
33:38
Speaker 3: like getting I didn't get the banks because I waxed
33:41
Speaker 3: off my eyebrow. But it was a happy coincidence that
33:44
Speaker 3: was happening, you know, doing a face mask, going getting
33:47
Speaker 3: a massage. Fuck, that is the key to getting out
33:51
Speaker 3: of blob error. A massage. There's nothing in cafix, it
33:55
Speaker 3: really is. I'm really glad I introduced that addiction into
33:59
Speaker 3: your life. Yeah, when I like it was only that
34:01
Speaker 3: two years ago, and I was like, should we go
34:03
Speaker 3: get a massage? And so I was like, like at
34:04
Speaker 3: a physio and I was like, the fuck did you
34:06
Speaker 3: just say?
34:07
Speaker 4: Yeah?
34:07
Speaker 3: I was like like I was like, oh my god.
34:10
Speaker 3: I was like, have you never been to like a
34:11
Speaker 3: relaxing massage? And You're like, what do you mean? And
34:13
Speaker 3: I was I actually think it was local. I think
34:15
Speaker 3: it was more like when we just before we went
34:17
Speaker 3: to Bali or something like that.
34:18
Speaker 2: It was like five years ago.
34:20
Speaker 3: Yeah, still, but yeah, crazy.
34:22
Speaker 2: But also for like.
34:23
Speaker 3: Social glow ups, like maybe you're feeling lonely, maybe you
34:26
Speaker 3: feel like you need a bit more community. Like your
34:28
Speaker 3: habits could include reaching out to an old.
34:31
Speaker 2: Friend, a new friend, joining like a sports team, actually
34:34
Speaker 2: getting that coffee with that person that you're like, we
34:36
Speaker 2: should get a coffee. Yeah, send the message, Send the message.
34:40
Speaker 3: I just ensure that you're doing regular reviews because I'm
34:45
Speaker 3: very much the type of person that will be like
34:47
Speaker 3: if one thing goes bad, like that's it's really hard
34:50
Speaker 3: for me to think about other things. Yeah, it's really
34:52
Speaker 3: hard for me to realize. And I do this thing
34:55
Speaker 3: where like if something goes bad, I think of something
34:58
Speaker 3: worse and I go, okay, no, just bear with me.
35:02
Speaker 3: So if something goes, like if something bad has happened
35:05
Speaker 3: or something that I'm not happy with, I think of
35:07
Speaker 3: something worse I could happen, and I go, this is
35:10
Speaker 3: like not probably a good tool, but it helps me. Yeah,
35:12
Speaker 3: and I go, well, would I rather, like, I don't,
35:16
Speaker 3: would I rather the thing that has happened to happen?
35:18
Speaker 3: Or would I rather my cat is sick again and
35:22
Speaker 3: there in the hospital. I love that so dramatic. But like,
35:26
Speaker 3: if I could pick the two scenarios that have happened
35:28
Speaker 3: in my life, or even that other scenario that could
35:30
Speaker 3: be made up, I could be like, my god, you know,
35:32
Speaker 3: like which would I pick?
35:33
Speaker 2: Touch?
35:33
Speaker 3: Would but like which would I pick?
35:36
Speaker 4: That?
35:36
Speaker 3: I go, okay, Well, in the grand scheme of things,
35:38
Speaker 3: is something that would truly rock me and ruin me
35:40
Speaker 3: to my core? This thing that has happened doesn't even
35:44
Speaker 3: show up on the rector scale. So I nearly said rectal.
35:47
Speaker 2: Scale, floppy dood all rectal scale, Like, is it gonna
35:52
Speaker 2: rip your asshole into No, okay, take the rectal scales, Okay.
35:58
Speaker 3: Doesn't rip you a new one? No, you're fine, babe.
36:01
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's called perspective.
36:03
Speaker 3: It's yeah, you got one asshole, you're good.
36:06
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, literally, but I also want to finish off
36:09
Speaker 2: with something that I feel like is again it's kind
36:13
Speaker 2: of like perspective, But think of your flop error like
36:16
Speaker 2: it's a compost pile. Oh, it's a mindset shift that
36:20
Speaker 2: suggests that your flop error actually functions as a necessary
36:23
Speaker 2: incubator for personal growth and success.
36:26
Speaker 3: So the scraps that you.
36:28
Speaker 2: Would be throwing in the compost pile represent the failures
36:31
Speaker 2: or the flops or embarrassing moments, and the process of
36:34
Speaker 2: you coming to terms with what's happened is like the
36:38
Speaker 2: nutrient rich soil that helps turn it into something great.
36:41
Speaker 4: You know.
36:42
Speaker 2: It's like, just like you would throw the scraps of
36:46
Speaker 2: your veggies into a compost bin. Your flop error is
36:49
Speaker 2: where your mistakes or less successful moments can go and
36:53
Speaker 2: develop into valuable life lessons and those character building things
36:57
Speaker 2: that make you who you are, Like none of us
36:59
Speaker 2: would be without our flop errors.
37:01
Speaker 3: I also do think there's that saying that it's like,
37:06
Speaker 3: whenever you're in a flop error eight year old, you
37:08
Speaker 3: would probably still think you're really cool right now, And
37:11
Speaker 3: there was once a point in time that potentially the
37:14
Speaker 3: failure you're experiencing now ten years ago would have been
37:19
Speaker 3: a really big success to you anyway. So true. So
37:22
Speaker 3: like having that perspective of, you know, even if, like
37:27
Speaker 3: even if you start a business right and you don't
37:30
Speaker 3: get as many sales as you wanted to, or you
37:33
Speaker 3: don't get as many views on all likes on a video,
37:36
Speaker 3: that's still like you still put yourself out that you
37:38
Speaker 3: still did something that you hadn't done and you learn
37:41
Speaker 3: a lot through it. So like maybe changing that meter
37:45
Speaker 3: of success and where that sits and embracing the flop
37:49
Speaker 3: the floppy Doodle.
37:50
Speaker 2: Floppy Doodle went to town. Okay exactly, let's end the episode.
37:54
Speaker 3: But let's end there.
37:54
Speaker 2: Thanks Chix for having a city ear holes, we love
37:57
Speaker 2: to be here. What a chaotic ride. That episode wasn't
38:01
Speaker 2: a flop. That was one of our best Bye Chicks
38:05
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