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Killer Instagram Model Courtney Clenney Strikes Mystery Deal, Pleads Guilty · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 2: A so-called killer Instagram model striking a mystery deal just
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  Speaker 2: as she has to trial? Now claiming she stabbed her
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  Speaker 2: crypto boyfriend in self-defense? Really? Because every incident, every prior
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  Speaker 2: incident of abuse was her beating him. I think somebody's
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  Speaker 2: got it bass-ackwards in court. I'm Nancy Grace. This is
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  Speaker 2: Crime Stories. I want to thank you for being with us.
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  Speaker 2: The OnlyFans model, Courtney Klinney, who allegedly murdered her boyfriend,
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  Speaker 2: stabbing him dead, reportedly has struck a mystery plea deal
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  Speaker 2: with prosecutors just as they head to trial. She was
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  Speaker 2: facing second-degree murder charges after stabbing Christian Obamselli, just 27
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  Speaker 2: years old, in their luxury high-rise Miami apartment. Self-defense, that's
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  Speaker 2: not what the evidence shows. And remember, she claims she
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  Speaker 2: threw the knife at him, like, you know, a knife-throwing
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  Speaker 2: act at the circus, and it stabbed him inches deep.
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  Speaker 2: A mortal wound? Yeah, that did not happen.
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  Speaker 3: OnlyFans model Courtney Clunney has officially pleaded guilty to first-degree
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  Speaker 3: manslaughter with a deadly weapon in a Miami courtroom following
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  Speaker 3: the April 2022 stabbing of her 27-year-old boyfriend, Christian Obamselli.
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  Speaker 3: The 30-year-old social media influencer, who was originally facing a
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  Speaker 3: charge of second-degree murder, accepted a plea agreement sentencing her
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  Speaker 3: to six years in prison followed by five years probation.
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  Speaker 3: Under the specific terms of the deal, prosecutors stipulated that
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  Speaker 3: Clunney must not be permitted to profit in any way
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  Speaker 3: from the killing. Assistant State Attorney Sean Abahoff emphasized the
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  Speaker 3: state's position, declaring that nobody should benefit financially from murdering
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  Speaker 3: someone and confirming that prosecutors will work hand-in-hand with the
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  Speaker 3: Florida Attorney General's Office to support any financial lien or
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  Speaker 3: proceeding against Clunney. Inside the courtroom on Monday morning, Obamsele's
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  Speaker 3: family delivered emotional statements detailing the permanent void left in
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  Speaker 3: their lives. His mother told the court that no sentence
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  Speaker 3: and no plea could bring her son back, while a
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  Speaker 3: family representative described how a chair where the family gathers
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  Speaker 3: for holidays will always remain empty. The family stated that
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  Speaker 3: Obamsele had suffered prior domestic violence, including being cut in
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  Speaker 3: the face and stabbed, and had documented fears that his
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  Speaker 3: love for Clunney would cost him his life. Miami-Dade State
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  Speaker 3: Attorney Catherine Fernandez-Rundle previously characterized the death as the culmination
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  Speaker 3: of a tempestuous and combative relationship dating back to November 2020.
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  Speaker 3: Defense attorneys argued Klenny was a battered partner, while Obamselli's
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  Speaker 3: family maintained he was the victim. Additionally, Obamselli's estate previously
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  Speaker 3: filed a civil lawsuit against Klenny alongside the apartment building's
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  Speaker 3: condo association, management, and security defendants, alleging battery and failure
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  Speaker 3: to provide adequate security. Court records show Klenny resolved the
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  Speaker 3: civil claims against her individually well before this criminal plea
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  Speaker 3: agreement became public. The estate filed a notice of settlement
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  Speaker 3: regarding Clunney on December 3, 2025, and her civil claims
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  Speaker 3: were voluntarily dismissed with prejudice on March 4, 2026.
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  Speaker 1: How did the whole thing start? Listen to our friends WSVN.
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  Speaker 4: A bloody Sunday domestic killing inside a trendy Miami high-rise.
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  Speaker 5: I think everybody is in shock, actually, like flabbergasted.
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  Speaker 4: These images come courtesy of TMZ. The sparkling Juan Pariso
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  Speaker 4: condominium is where it got violent days ago, and now
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  Speaker 4: a 27-year-old man is dead and his family. is devastated.
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  Speaker 4: Courtney Clenny, a famous Instagram model, is who Miami police
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  Speaker 4: say was involved in a physical altercation with Obumsele, who
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  Speaker 4: was stabbed.
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  Speaker 1: Wow.
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  Speaker 2: The way they said that. The sparkling one Paraiso condominium.
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  Speaker 2: You know, it actually makes me think of the Emerald
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  Speaker 2: City and the Wizard of Oz, how in the distance
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  Speaker 2: you see this beautiful, sparkling, high-rise castle. The sparkling one
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  Speaker 2: Pariso condominium. Well, that proves it doesn't matter where you
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  Speaker 2: live or how much money you have or education or
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  Speaker 2: what color you are.
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  Speaker 1: Doesn't matter.
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  Speaker 2: Crime can and will find its way into your life.
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  Speaker 2: An OnlyFans model now charged with murder. How in the
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  Speaker 2: hay is this twisted around to.
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  Speaker 1: Where she says, is the victim. Take a listen now
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  Speaker 1: to our friends at WPLG.
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  Speaker 6: Following the stabbing, Klenny was detained. She was brought here
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  Speaker 6: to the police department for questioning, and during that process,
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  Speaker 6: she was threatening to kill herself, so officers took her
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  Speaker 6: to the hospital where she was Baker-acted. As it stands,
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  Speaker 6: at this moment, she has not been charged.
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  Speaker 7: Detectives revealed Christian Obamsele was stabbed during an argument inside
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  Speaker 7: their luxury Miami apartment in April. After the stabbing, video
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  Speaker 7: obtained by TMZ shows Klenny handcuffed, and covered in blood
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  Speaker 7: sitting on the floor. Klenny was not charged during the
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  Speaker 7: initial investigation.
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  Speaker 6: What?
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  Speaker 8: What?
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  Speaker 1: Not charged?
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  Speaker 2: She's sitting on the balcony of a high rise. Translation,
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  Speaker 2: nobody went in or came out. High rise balcony covered
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  Speaker 2: in her boyfriend's blood.
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  Speaker 1: And she's not charged?
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  Speaker 2: What, because she's pretty and has a big bosom? Is
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  Speaker 2: that why she's not charged? Okay, she's what, too pretty
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  Speaker 2: for jail? Did you hear that earlier part? You know,
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  Speaker 2: I want to go to you, Charlie Langston, female editor,
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  Speaker 2: that's F-E-M-A-I-L at DailyMail.com, but I've got to just go
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  Speaker 2: to Dr.
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  Speaker 1: Charles Heller.
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  Speaker 2: Heller, clinical forensic psychologist specializing in domestic violence. He's at
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  Speaker 2: Rutgers Biomedical and Health Sciences.
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  Speaker 8: Dr.
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  Speaker 4: Heller.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, Nancy. Is there a clinical term for drama queen?
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  Speaker 2: The boyfriend is stabbed dead, and then she's, what, hyperventilating
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  Speaker 2: in her push-up bra on the balcony, covered in his blood,
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  Speaker 2: and then she threatens to kill herself?
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  Speaker 1: Of course she didn't kill herself. What's the word for that? Histrionic,
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  Speaker 1: I guess? I bet you've got a really big word
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  Speaker 1: for drama queen.
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  Speaker 9: Well, we could start with narcissism. We could go to
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  Speaker 9: antisocial personality disorder, borderline personality. Also, there's a strange addiction
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  Speaker 9: that people have to other people called codependency. And I
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  Speaker 9: think both of these people were addicted to each other
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  Speaker 9: and could not leave each other.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, hold on, hold on. I've got something to throw
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  Speaker 1: at you. Okay, everybody on the panel, just hold on
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  Speaker 1: a moment.
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  Speaker 2: Dr.
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  Speaker 1: Heller, with me is a renowned expert, Dr.
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  Speaker 2: Charles Heller, forensic psychologist at Rockland County, chief forensic consultant
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  Speaker 2: at Rutgers Biomedical.
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  Speaker 1: That's not shabby. Dr.
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  Speaker 2: Heller, maybe you can put this in the correct clinical terms,
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  Speaker 2: but I've had friend girls in the past say, oh,
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  Speaker 2: I don't like him.
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  Speaker 1: He's boring. I'm like, whoa, whoa, wait a minute.
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  Speaker 2: You've dated all these losers who stand you up, who
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  Speaker 2: cheat on you.
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  Speaker 1: They're drinkers. They do drugs. They're unemployed. Then they're employed.
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  Speaker 1: You know, they yell at your children. You go up
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  Speaker 1: and down and up and down. You finally get a
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  Speaker 1: decent guy. And he's boring. Seriously?
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  Speaker 2: What is that when you are so addicted to the
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  Speaker 2: roller coaster of an abusive or toxic relationship?
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  Speaker 1: You're so addicted.
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  Speaker 2: When you finally get a nice guy that works for
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  Speaker 2: a living, comes home and takes you out to dinner,
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  Speaker 2: that's boring. You don't want Red Lobster anymore. You want
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  Speaker 2: to go have a fight in the parking lot.
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  Speaker 1: What is that?
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  Speaker 9: Well, first of all, that kind of person also has
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  Speaker 9: an addiction, an addictive personality. And they crave certain stimuli
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  Speaker 9: in another person that.
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  Speaker 10: Gives them like a high.
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  Speaker 9: And being... close to another person like that is what
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  Speaker 9: they crave and they want to control that person did.
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  Speaker 2: You think it's not necessarily a personality trait but they're
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  Speaker 2: conditioned to it they're used to the highs and the
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  Speaker 2: lows and the roller coaster and the happiness when he
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  Speaker 2: brings the roses and the despair when he doesn't show
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  Speaker 2: up overnight you're like wow is he with a hooker
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  Speaker 2: i mean That when you're used to that and then
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  Speaker 2: you have a somewhat normal relationship, that's boring?
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  Speaker 10: That's right.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know that that would be a personality trait.
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  Speaker 2: It could be just what you're used to. Like children
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  Speaker 2: that grow up in a violent home, they're really not
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  Speaker 2: happy until they are in a violent home themselves, and
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  Speaker 2: that feels.
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  Speaker 1: Normal to them.
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  Speaker 9: Well, codependency is a family disease, just like alcoholism. And
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  Speaker 9: it starts in the family you grew up in.
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  Speaker 1: Guys, you're hearing Dr.
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  Speaker 2: Charles Heller, and I haven't even gotten into the facts yet.
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  Speaker 2: We have an all-star panel with us, but I just
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  Speaker 2: had to go to Dr. Heller about this woman, the
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  Speaker 2: OnlyFans model. editor of female uh f-e-m-a-i-l at dailymail.com charlie
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  Speaker 2: how is it he's dead from multiple stab wounds on
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  Speaker 2: the floor and she turns out to be the victim
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  Speaker 2: and threatens to kill herself, really?
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  Speaker 8: Well, she is claiming that he was stabbed in self-defense.
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  Speaker 8: She claims that he grabbed her by the throat and
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  Speaker 8: that she grabbed the knife to defend herself. However, I
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  Speaker 8: should point out, the cops who went to the apartment
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  Speaker 8: said that there was absolutely no evidence of any injury
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  Speaker 8: on her body. So... there is extreme doubt over her
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  Speaker 8: claims that he grabbed her by the throat. If he
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  Speaker 8: did that and left not a single mark, it can't
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  Speaker 8: have been violent enough, in my opinion, to warrant a
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  Speaker 8: response with a knife.
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  Speaker 1: Brad M.
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  Speaker 2: Micklin is joining us, guys. He is a very high-profile
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  Speaker 2: lawyer joining us, lead attorney managing member at the Micklin
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  Speaker 2: Law Group, joining us out of New Jersey.
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  Speaker 1: You can find him at MicklinLawGroup.com.
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  Speaker 10: Brad.
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  Speaker 2: I hate a lot of aspects regarding criminal defendants, but
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  Speaker 2: one thing I really hate, and this is having defended
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  Speaker 2: battered women for many, many years and worked as a
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  Speaker 2: volunteer for nearly 10 years at the Battered Women's Center.
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  Speaker 2: I hate when women aggressors, women bullies, women killers use
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  Speaker 2: the battered women syndrome to their benefit when it's not true.
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  Speaker 2: because people hear about it, and then when they're sitting
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  Speaker 2: on a jury with a real.
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  Speaker 1: Battered woman, they go, oh, this is BS. See what
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  Speaker 1: I mean?
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  Speaker 11: No, I agree. It's supposed to be a shield, a protection,
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  Speaker 11: battered women's syndrome, the domestic violence protection orders, but people
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  Speaker 11: use it as a weapon. And then when the victim
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  Speaker 11: is dead and can't defend himself, it's an easy defense
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  Speaker 11: to use. I mean, your whole conversation with Dr. Heller
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  Speaker 11: before was... implicitly saying christian was to blame that she
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  Speaker 11: was addicted to his abuse to his dependency and we're
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  Speaker 11: already talking about what did he do what was his
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  Speaker 11: role in this without talking about the fact that she
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  Speaker 11: stabbed him and everything that was recorded and shown shows
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  Speaker 11: that she goes from calm to rage and nothing more
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  Speaker 11: on the other hand.
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  Speaker 2: You really can't ignore the statistics that typically overwhelmingly like
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  Speaker 2: 90 90 plus percent of the time it is the
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  Speaker 2: male that is the aggressor i can't avoid that truth.
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  Speaker 2: And that's a truth we've got to deal with. But
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  Speaker 2: speaking of her being the victim.
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  Speaker 11: That's not a truth unless you accept that stat. Well,
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  Speaker 11: I do accept the stat.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I usually sit with the Department of Justice and
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  Speaker 2: should I believe you, Micklin, or my lying eyes? I
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  Speaker 2: know what I saw in court every day for 10
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  Speaker 2: straight years plus. I know what I saw at Grady
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  Speaker 2: Memorial Hospital, where all the beat up women go.
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  Speaker 1: I know what I saw at the battered.
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  Speaker 2: Women's center night after night after night of battered women.
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  Speaker 1: So you are my lion eyes. Let me think about that.
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  Speaker 8: Well, I don't look at you.
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  Speaker 11: I don't deny that women are often significant victims of
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  Speaker 11: domestic violence, but that doesn't negate the fact that just
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  Speaker 11: as many men are, too. Just more of them are
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  Speaker 11: restrained from reporting.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know what you're smoking, man, but I'm not
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  Speaker 2: getting near it. So the claim that she is the victim.
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  Speaker 2: Take a listen now to our cut 10. This is
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  Speaker 2: our friends. These are our friends at Fox 7 and WPLG.
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  Speaker 5: Behind closed doors, we just started hearing some shouting, yelling.
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  Speaker 5: We don't know who was starting what. We didn't get
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  Speaker 5: a lot of context. Occasionally, we would hear some glasses
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  Speaker 5: break and some banging on the walls, floors. Not sure,
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  Speaker 5: you know, who was doing it. I just want people
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  Speaker 5: to know that it had been going on for a
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  Speaker 5: long time, and it definitely could have been stopped.
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  Speaker 6: When police reported that Obamsele was fatally stabbed by Kleine
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  Speaker 6: on Sunday inside their Miami apartment, the friends were left speechless.
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  Speaker 6: They portray a very violent relationship at the hands of
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  Speaker 6: only one person.
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  Speaker 9: I've seen her hit him.
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  Speaker 10: I've never seen him hit her.
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  Speaker 2: But regardless of what friends and neighbors insist to be true,
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  Speaker 2: somehow the OnlyFans model is being painted as the victim.
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  Speaker 1: Take a listen to our friends at WPLG. Her lawyer
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  Speaker 1: sent me this statement.
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  Speaker 7: It reads in part, Obamsele attacked her and choked her
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  Speaker 7: that evening. Courtney had no choice but to meet force
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  Speaker 7: with force. In April, a neighbor told Local 10 he
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  Speaker 7: had a clear view of the couple's apartment and saw
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  Speaker 7: Clenny getting physically abused. Abimseli's family says he was not abusive.
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  Speaker 2: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. a mystery plea deal gone
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  Speaker 2: down with OnlyFans star Courtney Clinney and the murder of
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  Speaker 2: her living boyfriend Christian Obamsele body cam footage of Clinney
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  Speaker 2: the OnlyFans star shows her covered in blood just moments
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  Speaker 2: after Obamsele and it caught national headlines she claims she
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  Speaker 2: threw the knife at him in self-defense okay that is
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  Speaker 2: a lie that is not what the facts.
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  Speaker 1: Show insisting that she is the victim, but really? Listen
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  Speaker 1: to this. Cece, I'm... Don't touch me!
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  Speaker 10: What is going on? Like, what are you.
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  Speaker 8: Are you going to get this mad at me when
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  Speaker 8: I'm apologizing to you?
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  Speaker 1: No, Christian. Like, you're thinking I'm doing it on purpose.
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  Speaker 2: Drop your.
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  Speaker 1: Drop your high pitch.
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  Speaker 10: Okay, I'm not doing it on purpose.
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  Speaker 1: You touched Zahara.
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  Speaker 3: You.
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  Speaker 1: The right thing to do is to tell me.
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  Speaker 10: Yes, and I am so sorry. So shut up and
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  Speaker 10: let me.
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  Speaker 1: You dumb... Give me my phone.
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  Speaker 10: You have your phone.
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  Speaker 9: I don't have it anymore.
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  Speaker 1: Find it and.
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  Speaker 9: What?
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  Speaker 4: Okay, that's not going to help.
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  Speaker 1: Her claim that she's the victim. To Charlie Langston.
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  Speaker 2: Joining us from DailyMail.com, the editor of Female, what did
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  Speaker 2: I just hear? I heard her going crazy on him,
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  Speaker 2: cursing at him, ordering him around. She's saying something like,
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  Speaker 2: you touched her. The right thing to do is to
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  Speaker 2: tell me. She is really letting him have it.
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  Speaker 1: He's going, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. What was that all about?
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  Speaker 8: So what you were hearing there was a recording that
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  Speaker 8: Obamsele himself made. It's one of multiple recordings of moments
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  Speaker 8: when Pliny was abusive towards him. Some of the other
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  Speaker 8: recordings are even more horrific. You can hear her physically
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  Speaker 8: slapping him. You can hear her repeatedly calling him the N-word.
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  Speaker 8: She swears at him. She belittles him. She berates him.
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  Speaker 1: Did you say call him the N-word? He's black. She's white.
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  Speaker 8: She calls him the N-word on multiple occasions, and he
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  Speaker 8: recorded all of it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right, Charlie Langston. There are a lot of
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  Speaker 2: audio tapes, and guess what?
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  Speaker 1: We've got them.
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  Speaker 2: This is reminding me of Johnny Depp versus Amber Heard
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  Speaker 2: with not quite as much money involved.
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  Speaker 1: Take a listen to this.
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  Speaker 9: Okay, just stop.
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  Speaker 4: Don't talk to me.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, man.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, man. Oh, man.
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  Speaker 1: Because I'm telling you, I'm sorry.
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  Speaker 3: It's my heart.
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  Speaker 1: Find my heart.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 10: Where your phone is.
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  Speaker 8: Find it.
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  Speaker 10: Can you help me find it?
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  Speaker 9: I want.
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  Speaker 10: So what?
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  Speaker 9: Find it. Why are you screaming, man?
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  Speaker 1: Not man, but. Yeah, man.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, man.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, man.
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  Speaker 11: Yeah, man.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. Sadly, you're going to hear more. Listen.
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  Speaker 10: I need to find it because I have to go
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  Speaker 10: to the ER again. To go out?
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  Speaker 1: No!
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  Speaker 8: You said she advised you to go out.
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  Speaker 10: I don't have your phone.
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  Speaker 4: Can you just.
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  Speaker 8: Cece, can you just please shut up?
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  Speaker 1: Cece, please.
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  Speaker 10: Shut up.
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  Speaker 9: You want to go f * * * ing without talking?
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  Speaker 10: I didn't go to go talk.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, you did, because you always wanted.
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  Speaker 12: To f * * *.
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  Speaker 1: Bernie, I was always... You literally told me about it,
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  Speaker 1: not f * * * ing. What are you talking about?
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  Speaker 9: You are such... Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Put on your seatbelt because there's a lot more.
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  Speaker 2: Joining me, Dan Corsentino, former police chief, former sheriff, served
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  Speaker 2: on U.S. Homeland Security, senior advisory board, now private investigator.
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  Speaker 1: You can find him at dancorsentino.com.
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  Speaker 2: He seems to know everything about every high-profile case that
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  Speaker 2: I'm interested in. Dan Corsentino, murder. Very often we don't know.
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  Speaker 2: what led up to it. We don't know what's going
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: on behind the scenes. But what do you make of.
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: What you're hearing right now? All this over a lost iPhone.
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: You find my iPhone for Pete's sake. Why are they
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: fighting over an iPhone.
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: To this degree? What's happening? And he ends up stabbed dead?
• 19:42
  Speaker 13: Well, to me, obviously, it's a very dysfunctional relationship to
• 19:47
  Speaker 13: say the very minimum. But as you've a look at
• 19:51
  Speaker 13: the pattern of behavior with uh miss clinty in this
• 19:56
  Speaker 13: situation it appears that she and i hate to use
• 19:59
  Speaker 13: the terminology as a spoiled little brat but it appears
• 20:03
  Speaker 13: that she is a young woman who is uh wants
• 20:08
  Speaker 13: to be controlling demanding in the situation. And if she's
• 20:12
  Speaker 13: not getting her way, she escalates her behavior. And obviously
• 20:17
  Speaker 13: not being a psychologist, but being a cop, one of
• 20:21
  Speaker 13: the things you'd look for upon entering a situation is
• 20:26
  Speaker 13: the demeanor of the individuals or individual that is in
• 20:30
  Speaker 13: the house. And in this case, she may have fooled
• 20:36
  Speaker 13: some people or attempted to fool some people. Because, you know,
• 20:40
  Speaker 13: she was an OnlyFans model. She was acting, and she's
• 20:44
  Speaker 13: a very good actress.
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: You know what?
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: I'm trying to absorb everything that you just said, because
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: there are parts of that. It's very profound as it
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: relates to the probative nature of Clint Eastwood's personality.
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: Charlie Langston, what about it? Did you hear what Corcentino
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: just said?
• 21:03
  Speaker 6: I did.
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: And did you see that picture, Charlie?
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: Charlie Langston joining us from DailyMail.com of her sitting on
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: the balcony covered in blood. But somehow she manages to
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: have her left breast hanging out.
• 21:18
  Speaker 10: I did.
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: Police get there.
• 21:19
  Speaker 6: OK.
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: And the dog. Nobody's commented on that. But I mean,
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: there it is.
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: And the dog is sitting there just looking her like,
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: what did you just do?
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: Do you see this?
• 21:31
  Speaker 8: I did, and I think... It's in your article, Charlie.
• 21:35
  Speaker 11: On Daily Mail.
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: I'm looking right at it.
• 21:38
  Speaker 8: I mean, it's unbelievably shocking, and I think... I mean, the.
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: Cops are coming, so, hey, just take your breast out.
• 21:44
  Speaker 6: What?
• 21:44
  Speaker 8: Well, and I think, you know, the image that was portrayed,
• 21:50
  Speaker 8: whether or not it was constructed or real, is an
• 21:55
  Speaker 8: image of someone who is trying to look... in a
• 21:58
  Speaker 8: state of emotional distress, because that is one of the
• 22:01
  Speaker 8: things that she has claimed, that there is no way
• 22:04
  Speaker 8: she could be responsible. There's no way that she could
• 22:07
  Speaker 8: have intended to kill him because she was in such
• 22:10
  Speaker 8: a state of emotional distress when cops arrived. That's not
• 22:14
  Speaker 8: someone who intended to kill someone.
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: Or it's someone that killed their boyfriend in an angry,
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: bratty fit.
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: He couldn't get to eat. Yeah. Couldn't get the EMTs
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: there fast enough to save his life. Neither she cared.
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: Knows the cops are there, so she takes her breast out.
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: I don't know what effect that's going to have on
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: a female cop running up, what, 15 flights of stairs.
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: But that said, there it is. That's something for the
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: jury to mull. Joining me, Dr. Todd M.
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: Barr, board-certified anatomic clinical forensic pathologist, joining us out of Ohio,
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: featured in Thin Places, Essays from Inbetween, and you can
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: find him on Twitter, at Todd Barr M.E.
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: That stands for medical examiner. Dr.
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: Barr, what do you make of this copious amount of
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: blood from a stab to the shoulder.
• 23:06
  Speaker 10: Well, yeah, Nancy, I'm looking at the crime scene photos and.
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: Which crime scene photos? Of her on the balcony with
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: her breast hanging out?
• 23:14
  Speaker 10: Well, there's that.
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: That too.
• 23:18
  Speaker 10: The picture of the knife on the floor with the
• 23:21
  Speaker 10: blood spatter all over the walls and all over the floor,
• 23:24
  Speaker 10: clearly an artery was hit. That's a lot of blood
• 23:29
  Speaker 10: spatter and coming from an artery, which is under great pressure.
• 23:35
  Speaker 10: And the fact, you know.
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: Which artery? The carotid?
• 23:38
  Speaker 10: Well, if he was stabbed in the.
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: Well, no, it's in the shoulder.
• 23:41
  Speaker 10: Yeah, it's probably the subclavian artery or the brachial artery. Whoa, okay,
• 23:46
  Speaker 10: wait a minute.
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: I'm just a JD, you're the MD. The what?
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: We typically hear of the carotid in the neck or
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: the femoral in the leg.
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: What are the ones you just said? Brachial, that means arm.
• 23:58
  Speaker 10: Right, exactly. And subclavian is what comes off of the
• 24:01
  Speaker 10: aorta that feeds the blood to the shoulder area, to
• 24:05
  Speaker 10: the brachial artery.
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: Subclavian. Now, clavicle is this, right?
• 24:09
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: Okay, Jackie, Dr. Jackie is saying yes. So sub means
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: below that. There's an artery there and the brachial artery
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: in your arm?
• 24:18
  Speaker 10: Correct, yes. So all of those blood vessels and all
• 24:22
  Speaker 10: the nerves that feed the arm, everything sort of come
• 24:25
  Speaker 10: together right through. And they sort of traverse down through
• 24:29
  Speaker 10: the armpit and down into the arm area. But this
• 24:33
  Speaker 10: is from something that was arterial in nature, as far
• 24:37
  Speaker 10: as I can tell from the pictures I'm looking at.
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: When you say it that way, it sounds like you're
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: dissecting a bug. Arterial in nature, you mean she stabbed
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: him in an artery.
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: Is that what that means?
• 24:49
  Speaker 10: Yeah, that's exactly what that means.
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: You know, did you ever see the Beverly Hillbillies by chance?
• 24:58
  Speaker 10: Oh, yeah.
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: Okay, so in the beginning you see Jed, Uncle Jed, shoot,
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: I guess shoot at an animal, but he hits Texas gold, oil,
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: and it starts bubbling up.
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: Remember that?
• 25:13
  Speaker 13: Yeah.
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: Okay, I've used that comparing an artery stab to a jury.
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: An artery, that's more like a regular vein.
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: An artery is more like, have you ever driven by
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: a fire hydrant and just see the water shooting out?
• 25:26
  Speaker 10: Exactly. That's arterial pressure.
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: That's a stab in the artery.
• 25:29
  Speaker 10: That's exactly right. It's under intense high pressure. Every time
• 25:34
  Speaker 10: the heart contracts, it's forcing that blood into those arteries.
• 25:38
  Speaker 10: And the heart is just a solid muscle. So every
• 25:41
  Speaker 10: time it squeezes, it's going to shoot that blood out.
• 25:44
  Speaker 10: In fact, veins are under very low pressure because they're
• 25:47
  Speaker 10: just sort of returning the blood back to the heart.
• 25:50
  Speaker 10: So it's sort of a passive movement of blood in
• 25:54
  Speaker 10: the venous system. But arterial blood is under high pressure.
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: Haven't I told you you need to do an audio
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: book where you just talk about cases and explain it?
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: Because that is incredibly interesting information. And the way you
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: explain it makes so much sense. I mean, Charlie Langston,
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: now let's take what Dr.
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: Todd M. Barr has said and apply it to this situation.
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: And it goes right back to that.
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: Picture of her and her one breast hanging out on
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: the balcony.
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: And she's totally, it's so bloody. It looks like a
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: Halloween costume.
• 26:27
  Speaker 8: It does. It's gory and graphic.
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: Okay, now we're back to the actual crime.
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: We were talking about, oh, I was playing for you
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: these recently uncovered images. Audio, well, okay, they're not over yet.
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: Take a listen to this.
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: I didn't go to talk to Aura.
• 26:46
  Speaker 11: I was going on a bike ride.
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: Get off of me!
• 26:50
  Speaker 10: Going to talk to Aura? Is this going to make
• 26:52
  Speaker 10: you act like this?
• 26:53
  Speaker 8: Talk to her without telling me!
• 26:56
  Speaker 10: Courtney, I was on a bike ride and she passed
• 26:59
  Speaker 10: me and I said hi. You and Courtney are having
• 27:01
  Speaker 10: a live chat.
• 27:02
  Speaker 4: My bad, I forgot to tell you that.
• 27:03
  Speaker 10: That doesn't make you to act and call me.
• 27:08
  Speaker 8: You're a.
• 27:09
  Speaker 9: Yes, thank you, coming from Wilkie, thank you.
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: I want you to get away.
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: From me. Get away from me.
• 27:20
  Speaker 10: Ma'am, listen to me. You need to stop screaming on
• 27:23
  Speaker 10: the line and.
• 27:23
  Speaker 9: Give me the address.
• 27:25
  Speaker 10: 3101.
• 27:39
  Speaker 9: God, I can't feel my arm.
• 27:41
  Speaker 8: 3101.
• 27:41
  Speaker 10: I can't feel my arm. Ma'am.
• 27:43
  Speaker 9: Ma'am, what is the address?
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: What's that?
• 27:47
  Speaker 6: 3131.
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: 3131 North East 7th Avenue.
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: Please, God, please, come see my wife.
• 27:52
  Speaker 8: I'm not going to miss.
• 27:54
  Speaker 6: You, God.
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: You're hearing at the beginning more screaming. And you also
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: hear her, Courtney Clinney, slapping him, Christian Obamsele. And the
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: whole thing is on audio, which begs the question, why
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: was he videoing or taping the argument? And then you
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: hear the star of the whole trial, her 911 call.
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: Screaming again, and the dispatch says, you've got to stop
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: screaming and tell me your address. And you can hear
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: probably some of the last words ever spoken by Christian,
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: and he is saying, I'm dying.
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: I can't feel my arm. I'm going to die.
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: I want to ask you, Charlie Langston, we endured together
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: the Johnny Depp Amber Heard trial, and people.
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: Kept saying, why would she.
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: Was she starting an argument with him and then videoing
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: him or videoing him drunk or videoing him drunk and
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: passed out with ice cream melting in his lap?
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: Why?
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: I mean, if my husband was in a bad way
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: and he was like passed out with ice cream or
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: food all over him, I wouldn't video it. So in
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: this case, however, why is he, Christian Obenselli, audiotaping? the
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: argument where she's physically attacking him because some woman rode
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: by him on a bike and said hi.
• 29:31
  Speaker 8: To me, the fact that he was recording her is
• 29:34
  Speaker 8: evidence that their relationship had been abusive for a very
• 29:39
  Speaker 8: long time. There's also other evidence to back that up.
• 29:41
  Speaker 8: You've got neighbors talking about smashing things. She had been
• 29:44
  Speaker 8: arrested previously for domestic violence. And I think he knew
• 29:49
  Speaker 8: that the face that she was showing to the world
• 29:52
  Speaker 8: was a very different face than the one that he
• 29:55
  Speaker 8: saw behind the scenes. And he knew that in order
• 29:58
  Speaker 8: to protect himself, He needed to make these recordings so
• 30:02
  Speaker 8: that he would have evidence if he ever got into
• 30:04
  Speaker 8: a situation where she tried to flip the script and
• 30:07
  Speaker 8: say that he had been abusive. And the devastating thing
• 30:11
  Speaker 8: is these recordings will now serve as evidence.
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: Her lawyers have been attempting to bring in medical records,
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: text messages, body cam footage. They claim supports her claim
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: of self-defense. I'd like to see that. As we all know,
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: a true self-defense claim is a complete defense. You admit
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: you did the killing, but it was in self-defense. So
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: if it's in self-defense, why is she accepting a guilty plea,
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: a secret guilty plea? That means the state doesn't want
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: us to know about it.
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: Why?
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: What's wrong with it? Reminds me of Epstein's guilty plea.
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: Why is it being kept a secret?
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: Klenny will receive credit for the nearly four years she
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: has already spent behind bars since her initial arrest in
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: August 2022, meaning she could be released to begin her
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: probation in approximately two years. Following release, court mandates require
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: her to undergo mental health and substance abuse evaluations and treatment.
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: This is what the facts really show.
• 31:29
  Speaker 9: Nancy, these people were addicted to each other. She was
• 31:36
  Speaker 9: really inappropriate, and she was very jealous. Anytime he looked
• 31:42
  Speaker 9: at someone, she probably would have a fit.
• 31:46
  Speaker 10: A bad one.
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: You know, I don't get that.
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: You know, when my husband go jogging for a walk
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: and a woman goes by and he glances over and
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: I'm like, good, I'm glad to see you're still alive, David.
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: Keep going. Still use your blood, still pumping through your veins.
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: I wouldn't think of yelling and beating him because he
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: spoke to some lady.
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: It just is so twisted up.
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: But to you, Brad Micklin, high profile lawyer at the
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: Micklin Law Group, this is exactly what leads up. something
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: as stupid as saying hi to a woman going by
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: on a bike to murder.
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: It's insane.
• 32:22
  Speaker 8: It is insane.
• 32:24
  Speaker 11: And we keep having this conversation about him being addicted
• 32:27
  Speaker 11: to her or the relationship being abusive.
• 32:30
  Speaker 8: No, she was abusive.
• 32:32
  Speaker 11: She stabbed him. And I think Christian was recorded because
• 32:36
  Speaker 11: he knew or feared that she would call the police
• 32:38
  Speaker 11: one day, say he was committing domestic violence, and he
• 32:41
  Speaker 11: would be arrested for it. And him being bigger and stronger...
• 32:45
  Speaker 11: would have no defense.
• 32:46
  Speaker 8: So he started to.
• 32:47
  Speaker 11: Record it to defend himself, which unfortunately he can't do
• 32:50
  Speaker 11: any longer. And I hope that they're used in a
• 32:52
  Speaker 11: criminal trial to show just how violent she was.
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: Okay, guys, her claim that she's the victim, well, this
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: is not going to help. This is body cam footage,
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: and you know what that means. That means the cops
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: have arrived. This was a previous event.
• 33:08
  Speaker 10: Listen.
• 33:09
  Speaker 9: I just want.
• 33:09
  Speaker 10: To get to your point.
• 33:13
  Speaker 6: Yes.
• 33:13
  Speaker 8: Yes, okay.
• 33:14
  Speaker 10: Okay, but you told me I was your mom.
• 33:16
  Speaker 8: Time out.
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: Let me talk.
• 33:17
  Speaker 6: Okay.
• 33:17
  Speaker 10: I feel very like... What's your name?
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: Courtney?
• 33:20
  Speaker 6: Yes.
• 33:20
  Speaker 11: Okay, Courtney.
• 33:21
  Speaker 4: Why do you have something against me, man?
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: Like, I'm just trying to, like.
• 33:24
  Speaker 9: What do you have against you?
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: We're trying to talk.
• 33:26
  Speaker 10: So, you just want to get back in your apartment. Unfortunately,
• 33:30
  Speaker 10: he can't be here at the property.
• 33:31
  Speaker 9: That is totally fine.
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 33:33
  Speaker 10: He's been literally sleeping in my elevator room without permission.
• 33:36
  Speaker 9: What we're going to do is.
• 33:37
  Speaker 10: We're going to find him so he can leave the
• 33:39
  Speaker 10: property and you get back to your apartment.
• 33:41
  Speaker 8: Stop it, Jack.
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: I just told him. It's everybody talking on top of
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: each other. But we hear her, and this is to
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: a cop.
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: I do not advise speaking down to or being belligerent
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: to a cop. No.
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: What's happening there, Charlie Langston?
• 33:59
  Speaker 8: So this was recorded the day before Auburn Sully was stabbed.
• 34:05
  Speaker 8: The cops were called to her apartment building. She claimed
• 34:08
  Speaker 8: that she had thrown Obamselli out of their apartment the
• 34:11
  Speaker 8: week before that they had broken up, and she accused
• 34:15
  Speaker 8: him of stalking her, and she demanded that the cops
• 34:18
  Speaker 8: give her a restraining order. The interesting thing is you
• 34:21
  Speaker 8: can hear her in one recording telling the cops, I
• 34:25
  Speaker 8: need a restraining order before he gets one, which suggests
• 34:29
  Speaker 8: to me that she knew Obamselli that he had a
• 34:32
  Speaker 8: full claim to accuse her of the same kind of
• 34:35
  Speaker 8: abuse that she was attempting to accuse him of.
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: Oh, there you go. Dueling restraining orders. But the thing
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: here is she's claiming he's stalking her.
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: Other reports are he was trying to just get back
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: in the apartment where they both lived. Well, there's more.
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: You know, this should be assigned to her defense attorney.
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: Don't let her on the stand. Take a listen to this.
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: More body cam footage.
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: I stayed in my apartment all day.
• 35:00
  Speaker 8: I didn't take my dogs out for like eight hours
• 35:03
  Speaker 8: because I was.
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: Afraid that when I came down here, I was going
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: to beat him.
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: When I did come down, I walked my dogs and he.
• 35:09
  Speaker 9: Was telling me he wouldn't let me home. I was like,
• 35:12
  Speaker 9: please just walk my dogs and beat him.
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: We're not together.
• 35:14
  Speaker 13: Courtney, does he have any property in your apartment?
• 35:16
  Speaker 9: He has so much.
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: With respect, can I please?
• 35:20
  Speaker 10: I just feel like I'm not being heard.
• 35:23
  Speaker 4: Okay, go ahead, go ahead.
• 35:24
  Speaker 6: So I had a lot of opportunities to call y'all,
• 35:27
  Speaker 6: and I did not. So when I, when he's following
• 35:30
  Speaker 6: me around his car park, I said, there is no,
• 35:34
  Speaker 6: your time is up.
• 35:34
  Speaker 9: Like, that's it.
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden, my dad, he's on
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: the elevator, and I.
• 35:42
  Speaker 9: Said, don't talk to me.
• 35:43
  Speaker 10: This guy said, I'm going to shut up.
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: When I was upstairs, when they shut my door, I said,
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: I shut up.
• 35:51
  Speaker 12: Okay so basically she's saying I was afraid I wanted
• 36:01
  Speaker 12: to take my dogs out but I couldn't but it
• 36:04
  Speaker 12: sounds like she actually did and that he got on
• 36:06
  Speaker 12: the elevator and her complaint is he quote smells like
• 36:09
  Speaker 12: a homeless shelter.
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: Oh OK, so she stabbed him. There's more.
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: Listen, this is what Charlie Langston was telling us. She
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: wants to get a restraining order against him before he
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: can do it to her.
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: Listen, I feel like.
• 36:23
  Speaker 12: I feel like I am.
• 36:24
  Speaker 9: All right.
• 36:28
  Speaker 4: So what do you what do you what do you
• 36:29
  Speaker 4: want to say?
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: I just, I want, I want to be like, I
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: don't want to be like exonerated by this.
• 36:36
  Speaker 7: And I want him, okay, the police are here.
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: I want a restraining order against Christian Renzelli.
• 36:42
  Speaker 9: Why don't I issue those?
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: No, I'm serious.
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: Can I do that?
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  Speaker 10: Okay, but how can I make myself first?
• 36:47
  Speaker 8: Because I know him and he would do it.
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  Speaker 11: How can I make myself first?
• 36:53
  Speaker 5: You've got to get there first.
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  Speaker 14: It's already on the way.
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  Speaker 11: We have no idea. We don't even know how it
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  Speaker 11: looks like.
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  Speaker 1: We don't even know who it is.
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  Speaker 4: How do we know that?
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: Oh, my goodness. Okay, Charlie Langston, more of the same.
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: But here we hear her stating that she wants to
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: get him before he gets her.
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  Speaker 8: Yep.
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: What more do you believe is revealed in these tapes?
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  Speaker 8: I mean, I think there are so many different recordings
• 37:21
  Speaker 8: that focus on her abusive, erratic behavior. And it just
• 37:26
  Speaker 8: proves that their dynamic in the relationship was largely, from
• 37:30
  Speaker 8: what we hear, her berating and abusing him. As we
• 37:34
  Speaker 8: heard earlier, friends of the couple stated very clearly that
• 37:38
  Speaker 8: they saw Klenny hit Obamsele. They never saw the violence
• 37:43
  Speaker 8: being returned. We also had video footage from inside the
• 37:46
  Speaker 8: elevator of their apartment building months before Obamsele was stabbed
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  Speaker 8: that showed Klenny beating him, pulling his hair, and all
• 37:56
  Speaker 8: he does is cower away and attempt to defend himself.
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: To Dan Corsentino joining us, former police chief, sheriff, U.S.
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  Speaker 2: Homeland Security advisor, private investigator at dancorsentino.com.
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  Speaker 1: Elevator video. It really came to the forefront in.
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: The Rice case where you see him, and this is
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: a professional football player, dragging.
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: The victim, a female victim, by her hair out of
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: the elevator. And then, of course, there was the famous,
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: or should I say infamous, Beyonce video where you see
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: her sister lie into Beyonce's husband, Jay-Z, like there's no tomorrow.
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: And I guarantee you, I'm going out on a limb here,
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: he deserved it because she just stood there like, mm-hmm,
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: while her sister was beating him up. Elevator footage, nobody
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: can suppress it. It's in a public place, so it's
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: fair game. And the elevator footage in this case is
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: damning for her.
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  Speaker 13: Absolutely. In this case, she is demonstrative, she's aggressive, she
• 39:11
  Speaker 13: is violent, and she's attacking. And what we see, let's
• 39:16
  Speaker 13: compare the size of the two. She appears to be
• 39:18
  Speaker 13: about 5'2. He appears to be at least 5'10, maybe
• 39:23
  Speaker 13: a little bit taller, somewhat buff, but very good shape.
• 39:28
  Speaker 13: And he was on the defensive in this case. An
• 39:30
  Speaker 13: elevator video is very clear that she is a violent
• 39:35
  Speaker 13: offender that attacked him, and he was trying to protect
• 39:39
  Speaker 13: himself from everything she was attempting to do, strike him
• 39:44
  Speaker 13: in the head, strike him in the chest, strike him
• 39:47
  Speaker 13: in the arms. Very, very definitive.
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: Dr.
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: Charles Heller joining us, a clinical forensic psychologist. Why is
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: it so hard for people to believe that a man
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: can be the victim of domestic violence?
• 39:58
  Speaker 9: Well, it goes against the stereotypes, basically. But he could
• 40:03
  Speaker 9: not leave her, even though she was violent with him, jealous,
• 40:08
  Speaker 9: making up imaginary things about him. And that's codependency. That's
• 40:14
  Speaker 9: dual addiction. And what happens is, basically, it's so strong.
• 40:19
  Speaker 9: The bond is so strong. And in metaphor, metaphoric terms,
• 40:25
  Speaker 9: the pegs in his head matched exactly the holes in
• 40:31
  Speaker 9: her head. They were bonded so tightly together that they
• 40:36
  Speaker 9: couldn't extricate themselves. He couldn't leave her and she couldn't
• 40:41
  Speaker 9: leave him.
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: You know, the officers really Hit the nail on the head.
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: Take a listen to our friends at WPLG, our cut 34.
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  Speaker 6: Also informing her that she's not being clear on what
• 40:53
  Speaker 6: she wants.
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  Speaker 11: You want this person to completely disappear from your life.
• 40:56
  Speaker 11: At the same time, you have him in your apartment
• 40:59
  Speaker 11: here for two months with a ton of stuff in here.
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  Speaker 9: Wait a moment, I know.
• 41:02
  Speaker 6: Clanny goes back to her apartment. Officers then go to
• 41:04
  Speaker 6: the employee who made the original call, telling him she
• 41:07
  Speaker 6: never disclosed that there was violence that particular night.
• 41:10
  Speaker 10: When she came down, he went charging at her. That's fine.
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  Speaker 4: That's my point.
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  Speaker 14: Right, but she didn't mention none of that until she
• 41:18
  Speaker 14: says she wants to do something about it so that's
• 41:21
  Speaker 14: where we step in, where it's a criminal activity, but
• 41:24
  Speaker 14: she needs to mention something about that. Unfortunately, we can't
• 41:27
  Speaker 14: do anything.
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: The OnlyFans model, Courtney Klinney, struck a plea deal with
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: prosecutors just as they head to trial. She was facing
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: second-degree murder charges after stabbing Christian Obamselli, just 27 years old,
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: in their luxury, high-rise Miami apartment. We wait as justice unfolds.
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: Nancy Grace, Crime Stories, signing off.
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  Speaker 9: Goodbye, friend.