Latest / Dollars In The Dirt / #006 - How to Get an Extra $1M From the Bank (Without Getting Screwed)
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- 0:00What if you could unlock an extra million dollars in your borrowing capacity from
- 0:03the bank? Not by having a once-in-a-generation season, but
- 0:06by understanding one simple secret. Banks
- 0:10don't lend on loyalty, they lend on policy. Most farmers
- 0:14will walk into a bank and ask, how much will you lend me? And
- 0:17they get a conservative number based on a fraction of their true potential.
- 0:21The bank isn't going to show you how to maximise your position. They
- 0:24won't tell you that your tax structure is strangling your serviceability, or
- 0:28that their competitors have a policy that's perfect for your operation.
- 0:32They'll just give you their number, but there's a way to
- 0:35get a better number. Today, I'm going to show you how
- 0:39to find that extra million dollars. We'll cover the
- 0:42key loan drivers, the silent killers of your borrowing power, and
- 0:46how to present your business so the bank has no choice but
- 0:49to say yes. This isn't about selling your soul. It's about finally
- 0:52learning the rules of the game. Welcome to Dollars in the Dirt. I'm
- 0:56Brecon Curtis, and this is where we break down the finance side of farming so
- 0:59you can grow your operation, buy that next property, and build
- 1:03real wealth. Let's get into it. So first and foremost, you
- 1:06need to have a clear plan. How your business is positioned and presented
- 1:10makes a massive difference, especially in agriculture. We
- 1:13all know agriculture is complicated. We have varying
- 1:17seasons, varying geographical locations, varying
- 1:21commodities. Every property is different, and no two
- 1:25businesses are exactly the same. And that's why you
- 1:28have to have everything presented in a way that makes sense
- 1:31to the bank. Everything needs to be up to date. Your financials, your
- 1:35ATO commitments, your livestock numbers, and your valuations. Banks
- 1:39lend on policy and risk, not on history or loyalty. That's
- 1:43why it's really important to make sure that you're working with the
- 1:46bank that understands your business and not just a
- 1:49bank that you've been loyal to for years. Most of the time, it
- 1:53shouldn't be a no. It's like, if we can change this or
- 1:56do something else, then this is how we can do it. A bank manager
- 1:59isn't going to tell you that. By having a finance broker
- 2:03or someone that understands the rural business It's in your corner. It's
- 2:06really important to be able to paint your picture of your business, where
- 2:09you want to take it, and having a clear plan with your numbers, your budgets, your
- 2:13forecasts, and your livestock schedules to say,
- 2:16this is where my business is and this is where I want to take it. You also need
- 2:19to know who to talk to. If you get a banker that's not proactive or keen to
- 2:22do business with, it'll cost you a fortune. We see this all
- 2:26the time. People come to us and they say, well, I've spoken to my bank manager,
- 2:29but he didn't seem very interested in us buying
- 2:33the property next door or buying that property a couple hundred kilometers away
- 2:36that will help us with spreading our risk around geographical location and
- 2:40drought risk and that sort of thing. So if the bank manager's not
- 2:44keen to lend money or maybe they're, I've seen it all the time where
- 2:47they're close to retirement and they're not that interested in actually
- 2:51having to do the work to put the application together, You know, at
- 2:54the end of the day, the bank manager is still going to get paid his wages, whether he gives you the money or
- 2:57he doesn't. So you need to make sure that you're working with the
- 3:01right people that understand your business, understand where you
- 3:04want to take it and really invested in making sure they get the
- 3:07right outcome for you and helping you grow your business. You also need to
- 3:10have it mapped out before you apply in your own mind. Making sure
- 3:14that when you go and have that meeting with your finance broker or your bank manager,
- 3:17that you understand where you want to take your business. You've actually
- 3:21sat down, done the numbers, shown that you can make it work on paper, that
- 3:24your business can handle the extra debt, the income that you're going to generate from
- 3:28that business, what it's going to look like. If you're still relying on your bank manager
- 3:31to actually put all that together for you, that's going to
- 3:35make it harder for them and harder for you to know where
- 3:38you stand because they're not going to say, you know, if we, if we change the
- 3:41way that these numbers look in this way, it's going to give you the ability
- 3:45to borrow a bit more money. They're not allowed to do that. So making
- 3:49sure that you've mapped it out in your own head, that you can clearly articulate your
- 3:52plan and where your business is heading and being able to present
- 3:56that in a professional way and not scrambling You know, when an opportunity arises,
- 3:59we see it all the time, you know, people come in and they say, you
- 4:03know, the next door neighbor's property's come for sale and how
- 4:07can you help me get the money together? But their financials aren't sorted, their
- 4:11ATO's up, not up to date. They don't know what their current livestock numbers are.
- 4:14They don't know what the current valuation is on their property. You need to make sure
- 4:17that you're prepared to make the most of those opportunities. as soon as they
- 4:20arise. But if we spend two weeks trying to get all the information together, it
- 4:24will make it hard to be able to act quickly and to be able to make the most of the opportunities and
- 4:28make them happen quickly. I'm going to get a bit technical here, but it's
- 4:32really important that we understand the key loan drivers. And we
- 4:36talk about the three Cs of credit whenever you go for a loan, and
- 4:39that's character, capacity, and collateral. And if
- 4:42you understand those key drivers when you go and apply for a loan, It
- 4:46gives you the best opportunity to do that. Good tax advice often can
- 4:49hurt borrowing capacity if it's not managed effectively. If you get the right advice around
- 4:53that, it's really important that the structure is set up early and set up correctly.
- 4:57Understanding what the drivers are in your financial statements,
- 5:00depreciation, one-off purchases, how that's treated, how
- 5:04your owner's salaries are treated by the bank. By really
- 5:07understanding the numbers and the financials, it puts you in a lot better position to
- 5:10be able to borrow the money. Timing of income, often people defer
- 5:15livestock sales or commodity income to fix a tax
- 5:18planning problem. This can often make your financials not look
- 5:21as effective as what they should. The next year, you might be looking to expand your
- 5:25business, but you might have made a loss in the previous year. Because
- 5:28that was the advice that you were given and you delayed the sales of some
- 5:32cattle. But that might then impact your ability to borrow the money when
- 5:35the opportunity arise. So it's really important that you
- 5:39think about if I'm looking to buy a property in the
- 5:42next little while, what my financial statements show
- 5:46and the picture that paints of my business. The other thing is around security.
- 5:50So understanding that different banks have different policies around loan to
- 5:53valuation ratios. And when we talk about loan to valuation ratios, what
- 5:57we're talking about there is how much security you've got and
- 6:00how much the loan is. And so different banks look at different properties
- 6:05and and what they'll lend different amounts of money against the same property.
- 6:08So one bank might, if you've got a million dollar property, they might lend you $600,000 against
- 6:12that, where another bank might lend you $700,000 and others might
- 6:16only lend you $500,000. So each bank has a different policy and
- 6:19by skipping the broker and going directly to the bank,
- 6:22you're only getting one bank's view on that policy. So it's really
- 6:26important that you understand how the LVR works
- 6:29and that different banks have different policies so that When you're applying for
- 6:33a loan, if your bank says, oh, you don't have enough security, well, there might
- 6:36be another bank next door that has a different policy that will lend you a bit more money.
- 6:40And that might be the difference between buying the property or not. And how
- 6:43banks view your security is different too. Different asset classes have
- 6:47different views in terms of the bank's credit policies. So if you have a
- 6:51rural property in a certain location, one bank might consider
- 6:55that acceptable security where another. So if you've been with one bank for a long
- 6:58time and you go in there and ask for a loan, well, If they don't
- 7:01like that postcode or like that location of that property, they
- 7:05mightn't give you the money where another bank will. The other thing that's really important is around structuring,
- 7:08you know, how assets are owned and how your trading entity is set up.
- 7:12A broker will help you with understanding and navigating
- 7:15that with a bank. whereas a bank manager will just assess what they're given.
- 7:19So having a broker working for you, understanding if
- 7:22I've got a company set up or a trust set up and how
- 7:25that works when you come to borrow money and how that impacts on
- 7:29being a guarantor and who the guarantors are going to be is
- 7:33really important. So if you skip a broker and just go directly to
- 7:36the bank, the bank manager isn't traditionally going to give you advice
- 7:39around the structure. They're only going to assess what they're given and present it in front of them.
- 7:43Just quickly, if you're tired of expanding your operation to a new bank manager
- 7:46every year, only to get a one-size-fits-all deal that doesn't
- 7:50fit your business, we can help. At Season Finance, we do things
- 7:53differently. We've got over 70 years of combined experience in
- 7:57agricultural lending, and we work for you, not the banks. We're the
- 8:00consistent expert team in your corner, fighting to get the finance that
- 8:03actually helps you grow, purchase the next property, and build your
- 8:07legacy. Don't leave money on the table. If you're looking at your next move or
- 8:10just want a second opinion on your current setup, Click the link in the show notes
- 8:13to book a confidential, no-obligation chat with the team, and
- 8:17we'll show you what's possible. Righto guys, now back to the episode. The
- 8:20other thing that's really important is around how the business is structured, is around separating
- 8:24your landholding entities from your trading entities, understanding if
- 8:27there's litigation risk and asset protection succession. It's
- 8:32really important that people start out in ag, if
- 8:36they have off-farm businesses, and how that cash flow will
- 8:39impact and assist them with growing their business or
- 8:42buying a property. And also considering what litigation
- 8:46risks there is with off-farm businesses and how you protect the assets that
- 8:50you might buy. And having that structure really
- 8:53set up in a robust and thought out way makes it really
- 8:56important for the customer when trying to protect assets
- 9:00and also transfer them to the next generation. Now that you understand the core fundamentals
- 9:03of the things that you need to know, the other thing that really is
- 9:07important is that bank choice matters more than you think. And different
- 9:10banks have different policies on how they treat things like livestock trading.
- 9:14One bank might view livestock trading as a way
- 9:17they prefer breeding. And the other thing they might
- 9:21look at is adjustment. Different banks have different policies around
- 9:24how they view adjustment income. Off-farm income is
- 9:27also considered differently from different banks. So
- 9:31it's really important. If you skip the broker and go to one bank, you're only
- 9:34going to get one view on how those different sources
- 9:38of income are viewed by that bank. And that might be the difference between you
- 9:41being able to secure a loan or not. So a broker will be able to put
- 9:45you with the bank that actually accepts adjustment as
- 9:48income, or accepts livestock trading as income, or accepts your
- 9:51off-farm income in the servicing capacity of the
- 9:55business. So it's really important that you understand
- 9:59a banker will only assess that on the policy that
- 10:02they have in front of them, where a broker has access to the multiple funders
- 10:06that have all different policies. The other thing that's often important to understand
- 10:10too is different banks have different concentration risks around different locations,
- 10:14different industries. different commodities. Often, a
- 10:17bank might have too much exposure in one commodity. And this
- 10:21is why it's really important that you work with a broker to be able to look
- 10:24at the different options and the multiple lenders if required. Because
- 10:28as I've said, there's different idiosyncrasies with each different bank that
- 10:32if you just walk into one bank, you're going to get their view on the world, where if you
- 10:35go to a broker, you're getting multiple views across different industries, different
- 10:38locations. But even with the right bank and the right broker, there are hidden
- 10:42factors that can silently destroy your borrowing capacity. And
- 10:45things that most farmers don't even realize are working against them until it's
- 10:48too late. And some of these silent killers of your borrowing power are overaggressive
- 10:52tax minimization. Often, you know, especially in the rural
- 10:56industry, you know, people don't often like to pay tax,
- 10:59which is fair enough. But does that impact your ability to borrow more
- 11:02money, to buy the next door farm, which will actually make you more money in the long term? By
- 11:06being too aggressive on the tax minimization can often be
- 11:09a big handbrake on being able to buy a property or
- 11:13expand your business in the future. You know, and not reviewing old debt
- 11:16facilities as well is, you know, they're on outdated interest rates.
- 11:20You know, if they weren't reviewed and restructured, often there's
- 11:23rate creep there where the rates have slowly gone up over time. And
- 11:27what that does is you might have a loan sitting over there that's on a higher interest
- 11:31rate, but if it was restructured or refinanced, it would have been a lot better rate,
- 11:34then that gives you the ability to borrow a bit more money as well. The other thing there's often
- 11:38is, you know, personal debt, you know, that's taken into account in the serviceability
- 11:41analysis, if the structure's set up that way.
- 11:46So understanding, you know, if your personal debt's over here, what impact that
- 11:49might have on your business and be able to borrow more money on
- 11:52the farm. The other big thing is, you know, we've said time and time again,
- 11:55but is the poor presentation of financial information. You know, even
- 11:59when your numbers are good and if it's not presented well or things aren't up to date, that
- 12:02can often, you know, paint a bad picture and often inhibit your
- 12:06ability to borrow more money. And not telling the bank the story behind the
- 12:09numbers, if there's a drought or something happened in the business or
- 12:12there was a flood, you need to be able to tell what happened in
- 12:16those years. The reality is that there'll be ups and downs in your income
- 12:19and it's not like a commercial business where there's consistency every year around
- 12:23sales and rural business has you know, big years,
- 12:26small years, and there's all sorts of things that happen from a tax point of view
- 12:30with deferred livestock sales and, you know, farm management deposits that
- 12:34need to be taken into account. And you need to be able to paint that story to the bank around,
- 12:37you know, what happened in that year and understand exactly what your accountant does
- 12:41with your financials so that when you go to borrow money, you're prepared and
- 12:45you present your business in a professional way and understand the numbers. Now,
- 12:48here's the critical distinction I need you to know. Just because you can borrow
- 12:51the extra million dollars doesn't mean you should. Being able to
- 12:54borrow an additional one million doesn't mean that you should always do it. Debt
- 12:58that improves productivity versus lifestyle debt, you
- 13:01need to be really careful that you don't end up with debts that this
- 13:05farm or the business is having a service that aren't productive to the farm
- 13:09or making it grow or stronger. Just because you can go and borrow
- 13:12more money to do things doesn't mean you always should. And the other thing that you
- 13:15should also look at is also stress testing for interest
- 13:19rate rises, input cost spikes, and seasonal
- 13:22shocks. There's always something that comes out of left field with a
- 13:26farming operation. And when you run your numbers, make sure that you do
- 13:29different scenarios. If there's a 20% reduction in the
- 13:32commodity price, what does that mean? 10% increase in
- 13:35input costs? What does that mean to the business? And if it doesn't rain
- 13:39next year, what does that look like? So all those scenarios need
- 13:42to be taken into account, and having someone to help you put that
- 13:46together is really important. So here's my challenge to you. Stop accepting the
- 13:50first number that your bank gives you. Stop assuming that because you've
- 13:53been loyal to one bank for 40 years that they're giving you the best
- 13:56offer. Stop thinking that your tax accountant advice and
- 14:00your finance strategy are the same thing, because they're not. The
- 14:03extra million dollars in borrowing capacity I've been talking about, it's
- 14:07not hypothetical. I see it every single week. A farmer comes
- 14:10to us after being knocked back by their bank or after
- 14:14accepting a conservative offer, and we show them how they
- 14:17can unlock an extra 30, 40, sometimes 50% more
- 14:20capacity just by changing how the deal is structured and
- 14:23which bank they approach. That's not magic. That's not luck. It's
- 14:27the understanding of the system and knowing how to work in your favour. You
- 14:30now have a framework, clean numbers, clean plan, right
- 14:33structure, right bank, and right representation. And
- 14:36the question is, are you going to apply? Because the farms that are securing
- 14:40the best deals right now aren't waiting for the bank to come to them. They're
- 14:43not hoping loyalty will carry them through. They're being strategic, they're being
- 14:46prepared, and they're working with people who understand both sides of
- 14:50the table. If you want to talk about your position, your operation, and
- 14:53maximising your borrowing capacity, or if you just want a second opinion on
- 14:56whether you're leaving money on the table, Reach out. That's what
- 15:00we're here for. Because at the end of the day, the difference between a good deal and
- 15:03a great deal can be the difference between staying where you are
- 15:07or buying in block next door. Thanks for tuning in to Dollars in
- 15:10the Dirt. If you've got value from today's episode, make sure to
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