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Why This Dolphins Team Feels Different | Douglie DoWrong Dives Back In · The Fish Tank: Miami Dolphins Tales From The Deep

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[SPEAKER_05]: you're now diving into the fish team.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It's Wednesday night, which means it is fish tank live presented by Ben Horn Law Group and Casabelle Design Group Seth Levitt here live at the Casabelle Design Group Studios.
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[SPEAKER_06]: We're out pretty big, Seth.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Well, where else would I be alive for me, you know, I could be well, we have seen pre-recorded conversations here on fish tank live and I think we might be due for one again this evening, so I'm just putting it out there and any event as always, I am joined by the man with the best hands in the live podcast business you just heard him he is Ojemic Duffy juice.
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[SPEAKER_04]: We got a full house tonight.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Yes, we do, man.
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[SPEAKER_06]: And lovely, lovely, good, good looking group of guys, man.
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[SPEAKER_06]: You know, I would date any of them, but big sad, but, you know, I think you were the, I'm not here with the judge, gentlemen.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm not here with the judge.
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[SPEAKER_06]: They sell big sad, you know, but not always, man, a great cast of characters, man, and I can't with you to introduce some of them.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Not all of them, just some of them, you know, man.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I don't want that I don't want to be your, you know, go that way.
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[SPEAKER_04]: All right, let me know to return off the screens of the ones you don't want to introduce.
1:39
[SPEAKER_04]: No, we don't get still from Michigan in his Mario card chip.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Look, we lost one one man down.
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[SPEAKER_04]: The legendary Savak in the house.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Chad Van Horn, maybe he's here.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Maybe he's not.
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[SPEAKER_04]: We'll see how the night goes.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Michael Leiva has opened the doors again to the backyard and he's let us all in.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So we appreciate that.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Michael, we've got to thank Mike.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And the king of Dolphins, YouTube, he has dugly do wrong, diving in for we got him for about 30 minutes or until his baby girl starts screaming for him.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He's a dog with thanks for joining us man.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Pishi.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So he texted you all.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I was like, oh, she's asleep.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I went to that guy.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Sorry.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Now she's like out of the room and was like, where'd you go?
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[SPEAKER_03]: I was like, back in the room.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We've been there, we've been there, we've been there, we've been there, we've been there, we've been there, we've been there, we've been there, we've been there, we've been there, we've been there, we've been there, we've been there, we've been there, we've been there, we've been there, we've been there, we've been there, we've been there, we've been there, we've been there, we've been there, we've been there, we've been there, we've been there, we've been there, we've been there, we've been there, we've been there, we've been there, we've been there, we've been there, we've been there, we've been there, we've been there, we've been there, we've been there, we've been there, we've been there, we've been there, we've been there, we've been there, we've been there, we've been there, we've been
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[SPEAKER_04]: Once again, wheels, once again, wheels, it isn't one of the game wheels for Neil.
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[SPEAKER_04]: That is for sure.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So I kind of had the the show, I had my notes, I was preparing for tonight.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And then Adam chef, there does it again, shocker, which I want to get to that in the second.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But he, he lets the world know that Aeron Bruir and the dolphins have reportedly and if he's the one reporting it, you can pretty much
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[SPEAKER_04]: Count on it, have reached an agreement on a three year, 52.5 million dollar extension, say it again, three years, 52.5 million dollar extension includes a $37 million guarantee.
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[SPEAKER_04]: A-ROM Brewer, building block number two in the John Eric Sullivan era.
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[SPEAKER_04]: He told us there were certain building blocks.
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[SPEAKER_04]: He mentioned Devon HN, contract extended.
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[SPEAKER_04]: He mentioned A-ROM Brewer, contract extended.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Dougley, how excited should we be that Aaron Brueer?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Could we be as excited as he was doing cartwheels and backflips at practice today?
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[SPEAKER_03]: I didn't know that big man can move like that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It was a problem.
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[SPEAKER_03]: How about that?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Um, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, I think this is a good contract.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's something that, you know, the dolphins are doing it right.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And they're doing it right for the right people.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, we signed Devon H and like we were talking about him being one of the pillars that they mentioned.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And not even like a top five guaranteed contract.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's actually like, I think eighth ranked among running backs.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And now you have Aaron Brewer who is getting 37 million total guarantee that's only 43.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So, you know, we're not resetting the market and we're doing this very smart with how we are giving these contracts out.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So, I'm happy they did it, you know, we don't know the full breakdown of the contract, but, you know, to have him at least for a minimum of two more years after this season on this team, you know, it's, I'm happy.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm very happy with this one, especially
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[SPEAKER_03]: with Lake Willis, because they play a little bit in Tennessee together.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Okay, okay, and Mike, and Mike, what do you think about this, that the order, the pecking order of getting these deals done?
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[SPEAKER_06]: You know, I mean, ATAN first, Brewer second, obviously they got work on Jordan Brooks, man.
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[SPEAKER_06]: So what do you think about, you know, them prioritizing, see, like, offense, like they should be set versus foremost before anybody else?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Look, we did draft, we did draft three linebackers.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I'm so Jordan Brooks will wait a little bit here, but HN is by far the best player on the team.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They need to keep him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, and then,
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[SPEAKER_01]: Here, paying Aaron Brewer today, makes a lot of sense because he's just been so stinkin' good since the first day he got here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's been the rock on that offensive line, which is, at times has kind of been up and down.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's just been rock-sized here for two seasons.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And you look at this offseason for the dolphins under new management.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And you're kind of live by the motto, you can't fix stupid, but you can divorce it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Great.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Thank you.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it's fired.
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[SPEAKER_01]: you got to pay somebody and they're paying the right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Hopefully he's next, but yeah, I mean, it was an old brainer and you're looking at offensive line.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If Kenan Proctor is, hope that he is, this offensive line will go from a weakness to a strength, whether Austin Jax can stay south near not.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think they got four guys there who hopefully can be very good.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Real quick, Seth, just a quick legal zone point.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Sometimes it is cheaper to keep her.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So like... Let's not just rush into the forest, maybe talk to some people, maybe do a cusp.
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[SPEAKER_02]: A couple of therapy, I don't know, but some... Now with those four names, they had to be divorced.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They had to be divorced.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Seth, that's not enough.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Those four names had to go.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, my goodness.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Good.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Well, thank you, Chad for getting us early early.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I have a feeling early and often with the legal zone.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I love it.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I love it.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Choose what do you think about it, man?
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[SPEAKER_04]: You know, when you look at those big guys up front, shoot.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Brewer is going to look like the kicker standing next to some of those dudes up there.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I mean,
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[SPEAKER_04]: technically undersized, you know, he's a large, strong man, but for, you know, centers and offensive linemen, but so athletic, I'm interested to see he was such a perfect fit for Mike McDaniel's offense.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I had to chuckle when I saw the athletic, I think, wrote a article about Mike McDaniel and Bush Bay Area retooling the charge of offensive linemen.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, he sent me that.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I kind of had to chuckle.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But Brewer was such a perfect fit because he could get out and go and get second level and all the different things that McDaniel liked to do that maybe not everybody on that line to have the ability to do, but Brewer certainly could do it.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But this looks like this is more of a kind of ground and pound and they're trying to just have those organic grass fed behemoths.
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[SPEAKER_04]: you know up there and and he's he doesn't necessarily fit that mold, but they clearly see the value.
7:53
[SPEAKER_06]: I mean, we got we're so good right now center left, you know, to me, and I think survived an eye as in the position that he wants to be in on the right side of guard and the right also Jackson when he's been in there he's been really good.
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[SPEAKER_06]: And we know, you know, we talked about Austin Jackson all day one, but when he was out, it was noticeable.
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[SPEAKER_06]: And that tells you how I'm, how well he was doing for us, but can you imagine those two big up, these are the left side of Washington down and Aaron grew up pulling like my man, the white
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[SPEAKER_06]: You know, and doing some of the things that centers just can't do, like, air and brewer can do, what they've done is they've, what, what I see the dolphins are doing right now was they're doing what wins football games man, they're trying to get their defense better, the draft showed a lot of that, get some young guys out on the off defense line from last year, but when you solidify that offensive line with guys, like, you know, I mean, you know, with with with with Patrick Paul with
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[SPEAKER_06]: Caden Proctor and now Aaron Brewer being in, you know, in the folks who are, you know, a couple of a few more years, that's where that's where your bread is butter, man.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Where the dolphins have struggled over and over and over again, is there inability to go on the road and win games and, you know, in passport environments or an increment weather.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Now you've got to, you start building the offensive line in the defense those things as it's a cliche but many travel, man.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Those guys can play anywhere, so now you got Aaron Brewer happy.
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[SPEAKER_06]: He's going to be, you know, so he's right now, you know, enjoying his few weeks off, wherever they have, and then he's going to come into training camp as a leader as he's always been, he's shown up all the time.
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[SPEAKER_06]: And you, you reward that stuff, man.
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[SPEAKER_06]: They, they, they, they, they, they, they, they,
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[SPEAKER_06]: They picked out the three or four guys that they thought that were key players to keep around.
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[SPEAKER_06]: HN obviously, Aaron Brewer, and I'm sure they're working on Brooks and get this one done, like, you know, this sends these guys, it really does.
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[SPEAKER_06]: It sends these guys into the all-season program or, you know, before training camp program, you know, feeling really good about what's happening with the football team and so.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I'm super pumped about it, you know, I mean, I think that and everybody that's in that backfield, quarterbacks, runningbacks, why was he ever going to have time to do some things?
10:04
[SPEAKER_06]: When you start solidifying this office online, like we're doing right now, that is going to be huge for everybody that's involved, man, because nothing gets done unless we have a solid office online in front of us.
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[SPEAKER_06]: It's just a mess, and we've seen a mess before, and I think they're trying to tighten that mess up right now.
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[SPEAKER_04]: We've definitely seen a mess before.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Speaking of which, we've seen a financial mess.
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[SPEAKER_04]: In fact, they're trying to work their way out of it.
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[SPEAKER_04]: They are redoing some contracts.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Doug, I like that you brought up that these both have been contracts that have been relevant.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It's a lot of money, but relatively favorable when you compare them to other leaders.
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[SPEAKER_04]: in those positions across the league.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But what do you think about not only are they resigning these guys, it feels like John Eric Sullivan is kind of like, here's the things I'm going to do and now he's doing them.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, he really told us the plan and he's living it out thus far.
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[SPEAKER_04]: How do you digest that?
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[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, that's got to make you feel pretty good when your general manager is telling you those things.
11:00
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and it's nice to hear a guy, you know, mention players and mention who's important to this team and actually back it up by showing them that they're important by locking them down for, like I say, minimum of an extra two years on top of this year.
11:16
[SPEAKER_03]: And like we were talking about, you know, they have a really big dead cap.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So it's the biggest in the NFL in 179 million, but that next year they are third most in cap space with 108 million.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So, you know, they'll have the money to spend and play around with.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Now, we don't know what Brewers money is going to look like next year, so that a hundred and eight million might be a little bit lower.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But I'm glad that they're finally doing things the right way, and we don't have to general manager in there saying the phrase, he has to write your test reagency.
11:52
[SPEAKER_03]: Whenever Greer said, he has to write to test reagency, we all knew.
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[SPEAKER_03]: he was gone, he ain't coming back.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So it's nice to see the mention of the pillars and then sticking to it and being like, we want to sign these guys now.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The Brooks situation, that's a little different because if you noticed with HN and Brewer, they kind of tweet their contract to get some capsized in this year, they didn't touch Brooks contract.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So,
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[SPEAKER_03]: We'll see how that pans out and like Mike said, you know, we did draft a bunch of linebackers and we draft the Jacob Rodriguez.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So, you know, I'd love to keep her here and they did Brooks here and they did incorporate them a lot, especially in the draft and like promos and stuff.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I'm pretty sure they're going to try and keep him, but I'm sure if a team like Dallas offers him something they can't refuse, he might be treated.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I'm going to tell you what.
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[SPEAKER_06]: We had an older group of linebackers, you know, set up when I was making a transition in the dolphins and they brought a guy named Zach Thomas.
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[SPEAKER_06]: And Zach Thomas, he released the duties of older, older linebackers.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I think Jack L. Rio.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, that's a real good friend.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Got to been on our roster at that point.
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[SPEAKER_06]: And he was all right, you know what I mean?
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[SPEAKER_06]: But then you get a young gun that, you know, that S can't ask for very much money because he's under rookie contracts.
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[SPEAKER_06]: And also a young gun that, you know, that's going to give you some years that you feel a good about things.
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[SPEAKER_06]: And that's what happens a lot of times, man.
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[SPEAKER_06]: So I'm going to tell you this, I mean, Jordan Brooks has to be careful here, I mean, he really does, man, because when you everybody, everybody in lead, when you're playing for the NFL team, you see guys like take for example myself.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I'm looking at myself as a wire receiver.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I say three receivers drafted in the draft.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Somebody's asking going, big set.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Somebody's asking trouble.
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[SPEAKER_06]: You know, you know, that's when in the draft when they do that, they tell you somebody's asking trouble, man.
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[SPEAKER_06]: And then when you see that, like you said, they'll be like in the line back in position.
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[SPEAKER_06]: somebody's ass is not going to be around, especially they can be great players, but when their money, when their money is a big issue, there's always things that determine whether you're going to be around.
14:06
[SPEAKER_06]: You call the problems off the field, if your money's too high, you know what I mean?
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[SPEAKER_06]: Those are those are the two things that can cross you.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Whether you're good or not, they might have to move on from you.
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[SPEAKER_06]: So it's going to get a result like you said on how they handle the situation.
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[SPEAKER_06]: We drafted that position.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I don't care, rookies can come in there and play Jimmy Johnson played that Thomas like right away So rookies can come in and take that position over when you got a solidified group of guys around him You got a veteran guys in front of him.
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[SPEAKER_06]: You know, you got a secondary pretty solid behind him And you can you could put a rookie in there somewhere tough position of being there, but I'm telling you this though Jordan Brooks needs to be very careful behind him as a situation and I know the dolphins well as well
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[SPEAKER_04]: It's interesting.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You brought that up too.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Now he's a Texas tech guy and Rodriguez Texas tech guy Zach was a Texas tech guy when he took the real job, but Not a tech guy, but he was Jimmy Johnson's handpicked like I need to bring one of my guys in here to set the tone set of culture.
15:10
[SPEAKER_04]: And even not
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[SPEAKER_02]: Seth, we might talk about success tech a little later in the legal zone too, later.
15:16
[SPEAKER_02]: I think that's a little litigation going on.
15:21
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, finally, Sam, son of a bitch, this guy finally watches.
15:28
[SPEAKER_02]: And yes, I didn't cry, but I offered to fight a few people.
15:33
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you for watching.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That you grew support.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I've been in the car.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He cried in the car.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He cried in the car.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, you know that, man, you know, I, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know
16:03
[SPEAKER_04]: OK, what is our biggest takeaway from what we've seen in this offseason?
16:08
[SPEAKER_04]: Because the real stuff starts when training camp opens up.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And halfly keeps telling us, we're not playing a real football yet.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But what have we seen?
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[SPEAKER_04]: It's really been a complete 180 for this organization.
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[SPEAKER_04]: New Head Coach, New General Manager, New
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[SPEAKER_04]: process, Troy Ackman's in, we see, you know, new quarterback, all these things have changed.
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[SPEAKER_04]: What is I'd love to hear from everybody, Mike, we'll start with you.
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[SPEAKER_04]: What's your one big takeaway thus far?
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[SPEAKER_04]: What we've seen through many camp OTAs.
16:40
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, God, I don't even, I mean, I think this is a team, no, no, no, it's fine.
16:45
[SPEAKER_01]: I think this is the team though, because even since June 1st has been what, nine days, they got all that money, and yes, they have to pay the rookie class.
16:53
[SPEAKER_01]: They sent all the rookies pretty quick.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, and I saw today, AJ has been acid, who they had in on a visit signed with Philadelphia, like anyone thinking that they're going to go out there and sign a guy.
17:09
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, and I think, you know, it's going to be a young team, it's obviously going to be a young team.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think this is it.
17:16
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I don't see them signing anyone in June or July, and I think throughout many camp, we've heard the report.
17:21
[SPEAKER_01]: This guy looked good.
17:22
[SPEAKER_01]: This guy looked like he lost weight.
17:23
[SPEAKER_01]: This guy looked like he put on muscle, this, and the other, you can talk about all that stuff to your blown of face.
17:28
[SPEAKER_01]: This is the team.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think this is the team at the end of the day that I don't think they're looking to go out there and bring anyone else in.
17:34
[SPEAKER_01]: And they're going to sink or swim with this young team this year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's going to be fun to watch.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's going to be exciting to watch at times.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I think with the young team, just don't know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I think the big takeaway is, they're playing the hand that they're dealt and this is it.
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[SPEAKER_04]: All right.
17:50
[SPEAKER_04]: This is your team.
17:51
[SPEAKER_04]: It's like that scene from Hoogers, where they all want to get out and they're just shooting on that early.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Jimmy, shoot woods by the farm.
17:59
[SPEAKER_04]: He's just shooting and everyone's like, where's Jimmy and Gene Hackman has to grab the mic.
18:02
[SPEAKER_04]: I play this as your team.
18:04
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
18:04
[SPEAKER_04]: Let's do a team.
18:05
[SPEAKER_04]: We're worried about who's going to say who's not.
18:07
[SPEAKER_04]: I like that.
18:08
[SPEAKER_04]: Wow.
18:09
[SPEAKER_04]: What's your to big take away?
18:11
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, I could say, you know, there's some positives in there that I thought I was happy with like the way the defense is playing, but you know, it's it's easier for the defense to get in a groove.
18:21
[SPEAKER_04]: Um, I'm like, I'm like, I don't know if they cheat the juxtapes says, I don't think I wouldn't doubt it.
18:25
[SPEAKER_03]: I like to try and go.
18:27
[SPEAKER_03]: I love it.
18:30
[SPEAKER_03]: Jacob, if I drew you guys getting a punch out today, the other thing I'm noticing and you could take this good or bad is, there's still a disconnect between Malik and the receivers that they definitely need to work on the six weeks that they have before training camp because you could see it in some of the passes and how the timing's off.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The one intersection Ben Sims wasn't ready for it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: you know, there's some other things.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So, you know, they are getting better.
18:54
[SPEAKER_03]: So I will say that is something you hear every, you know, even, I mean, it's where I mean, you can't be heard, like, progressions of the offense was getting better.
19:01
[SPEAKER_03]: They're starting to click.
19:02
[SPEAKER_03]: So we'll see how training camp goes.
19:04
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, I'm excited to see that to get a real understanding of what this team is.
19:09
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, you know, a big sad thing, it's going to be different.
19:12
[SPEAKER_06]: So always going to be a head of the offensive and you, you kind of want that.
19:15
[SPEAKER_06]: If you're offense is running around and beating the hell out of your defense right away, new offense, new personnel, that's a, that's a problem right there already.
19:25
[SPEAKER_06]: So if your defense, like, hello, here's what happens, man, when installs go in and they talk about the installs, installs going on both sides of the ball.
19:34
[SPEAKER_06]: And don't think that the defensive installs are the same, the counter with the offensive installs are.
19:40
[SPEAKER_06]: Defensive installing goal line when offense installing full-wide receivers.
19:45
[SPEAKER_06]: So they know exactly what the install is.
19:47
[SPEAKER_06]: And you hope that the defense, we should all hope that the defense is ahead of our offense right now.
19:53
[SPEAKER_06]: And we hope that our offense is ahead of any defense that are gonna play in the future.
19:57
[SPEAKER_06]: That's how, that's how it should work out, and honestly.
20:00
[SPEAKER_06]: And so that's what I would say they're cheating,
20:03
[SPEAKER_06]: When when I'm running the route before the balls even line up and saying, Matt, it's like, why's the in-round?
20:07
[SPEAKER_06]: Why's the in-round?
20:08
[SPEAKER_06]: You know what's the in-round?
20:09
[SPEAKER_06]: They told you already.
20:10
[SPEAKER_06]: It is all that this will run this combination right here.
20:15
[SPEAKER_04]: It might be two bells.
20:16
[SPEAKER_06]: Somebody, I didn't do anything to tell you that I was running in route other than the fact that you saw us line up in two or three ways.
20:24
[SPEAKER_06]: Most of the way, once running down the scene, and I'm running in room, so it's on the car and you're holding the car right, you know what they are.
20:31
[SPEAKER_06]: It's almost like it's it's almost like it's a stout team card being held up to them said it said but that's what they get man, you know, but I do think that, you know, no matter what and like Mike said that we are, we're pretty much said.
20:45
[SPEAKER_06]: I'm okay with that.
20:47
[SPEAKER_06]: I'm okay with us being set right now what else can we do right now you know we're paying our guys that we want to pay it's gonna call to us to bring in a free agent you know I'm a I'm a big mortgage fan I've been watching them all they got a very very young roster all the time and they're fun to watch hopefully we have the same type of team with these young guys that we fund the watch man you know just don't expect too much from but just be just let them grow let them have some fun for a little bit hopefully we have some fun along the way man but it's gonna be some
21:17
[SPEAKER_06]: I say this, I think will be better than everybody thinks we are.
21:20
[SPEAKER_06]: As long as that defense is good, we'll be competitive.
21:25
[SPEAKER_06]: We might not win them, you know, not find a way to win at the end, but as long as that defense is good, we have a chance.
21:30
[SPEAKER_04]: So I think it's a team that's going to compete.
21:32
[SPEAKER_04]: I agree wholeheartedly.
21:33
[SPEAKER_04]: You just talked about offense and defense, Sam Markoo wants to know what you think about the punter and kicker battles.
21:38
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, you know what I was looking at, you know, I was checking that out, you know, and I, I, I really, I really feel like, I mean, I'm about to say Sanders, you know, think of balance, it's like, you know, I mean, he's he saw it, but what Riley Patterson did last year was exceptional, you know, when Jason Sanders was out for all fees alone.
22:03
[SPEAKER_06]: So, you know, I'm going with Riley in this situation, Big Seth, you know, a big special team's kind of guy.
22:09
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, but out, you know, I didn't know who the hell's the part of it right now.
22:14
[SPEAKER_06]: I didn't know.
22:15
[SPEAKER_03]: There's two.
22:16
[SPEAKER_01]: There's two.
22:17
[SPEAKER_01]: I think once from Atlanta, I think.
22:19
[SPEAKER_06]: Oh, hi, where the hell would be on any way?
22:21
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
22:33
[SPEAKER_01]: That's actually nowhere down to one punner.
22:35
[SPEAKER_06]: His name is Bradley Pignan Pignan Pignan So my opinion opinion is that I think it's hardy if he feels like he can hold correctly I don't care how he points.
22:51
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, that's like a insert the opinion opinions behind the Can that be a Pittsburgh thing?
22:58
[SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely, it's not like, actually, we should trade for him.
23:01
[SPEAKER_02]: We'll give you Aaron Rogers.
23:04
[SPEAKER_04]: You can keep it in Roger's room.
23:07
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
23:09
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
23:10
[SPEAKER_06]: There it is.
23:12
[SPEAKER_04]: There it is.
23:14
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm sitting here as I'm going back and forth between the stream yard and YouTube and on the side recommended videos, Mike McDonald's first, Mike up as Charger's OC, my big takeaway is it feels like the organization is being run by adults.
23:29
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so that's epic take away.
23:31
[SPEAKER_04]: You're all right, everyone.
23:34
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know what's going to happen.
23:36
[SPEAKER_04]: We'll see what happens, you know, wins losses and certainly not using this season's final record as the final judgment, but it just seems like they're being run.
23:47
[SPEAKER_04]: by adults.
23:49
[SPEAKER_04]: So I'm excited for that.
23:51
[SPEAKER_04]: It feels like football again.
23:52
[SPEAKER_04]: I mentioned it and I want to talk about halfway here in the second, but at his recent press or they asked them about storm duck and I forget the other guy and you know how are they progressing?
24:04
[SPEAKER_04]: He's like I wish they'd be coming along a little quicker.
24:07
[SPEAKER_04]: And like he wasn't.
24:09
[SPEAKER_04]: lousy about it, but he just kind of dropped it out there and it wasn't one of those where we heard for four years that every guy I know the guy and the character of the guy and they're going to work as hard as they can and they would be on the field because they're absolute warriors.
24:22
[SPEAKER_04]: It's like come on man like somebody's guys need to get their ass on the field and and sometimes like it.
24:29
[SPEAKER_04]: juice anybody knows about injuries and and being talked into playing or misled into playing, you know, and all those things.
24:36
[SPEAKER_04]: But the reality is, is that professional football, they don't want a bunch of guys laying around in that training room.
24:42
[SPEAKER_04]: And so, you know, there's that whole hurt versus injured thing.
24:45
[SPEAKER_04]: And, and I think there's an expectation that somebody's guys need to get their butts on the field because they're needed.
24:50
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, you know what I mean?
24:51
[SPEAKER_06]: I mean, you can't
24:57
[SPEAKER_06]: especially when you are dealing with a new regime.
25:02
[SPEAKER_06]: You know, you're dealing with a new regime here.
25:04
[SPEAKER_06]: And I think that that is always an issue when you're leaving a season hurt, coming into an all season hurt.
25:11
[SPEAKER_06]: And everybody's gaining ground on your assing you on that depth chart.
25:15
[SPEAKER_06]: And that chart is, you know, it's just gaining ground.
25:18
[SPEAKER_06]: OTAs, OTAs, many camps, you know, getting ready for training camps.
25:23
[SPEAKER_06]: Last thing you want to do when you got a new team
25:28
[SPEAKER_06]: a new tech coach, new GM, a new staff, is he a guy that's finding a way back from an injury.
25:35
[SPEAKER_06]: You know, and the guys, that's what these guys are dealing with, this stuff, it really is.
25:40
[SPEAKER_06]: I got tough because I couldn't give back my injury.
25:42
[SPEAKER_06]: You know, dealing with, you know, not necessarily a new staff, but you know, new tech coach, they want that.
25:47
[SPEAKER_06]: You know, so it's tough on those guys, but I think he wants those guys back, spooner, you know, healthier, so they can go out there and keep, I don't know what's going on.
25:57
[SPEAKER_06]: I'm going out there to play the game, you know.
26:01
[SPEAKER_06]: But other guys are making leaps and bounds like in terms of getting better out there on the football field because there's a new scheme, there's a new everything.
26:10
[SPEAKER_06]: You can watch all the film you want, you can be in all the meetings you want, but you could out there on the field and they would do it.
26:16
[SPEAKER_06]: And you're gonna be behind because it's whole different world out there when you're actually doing and taking on the live bullets man.
26:23
[SPEAKER_06]: So I think more and anything,
26:25
[SPEAKER_06]: You know, their health is going to be a detriment to them.
26:28
[SPEAKER_06]: Well, they can't get out there and start performing sooner than later.
26:32
[SPEAKER_06]: But now you're going to get into training camp.
26:35
[SPEAKER_06]: How many reps you're going to get when you're already when training camp comes?
26:37
[SPEAKER_06]: Don't think that they say there's no depth chart.
26:40
[SPEAKER_06]: There's already a depth chart being made right now.
26:43
[SPEAKER_06]: They can't just going to be groups of guys.
26:45
[SPEAKER_06]: You're going to come in at first.
26:47
[SPEAKER_06]: I mean, at first day, when a unveil, you know, who's in group one, group two, group three?
26:56
[SPEAKER_06]: It's going to be there and then if you're not up there at the top, what kind of reps are you going to get?
27:01
[SPEAKER_06]: It's tough reps to get there and who are you going to be working with?
27:05
[SPEAKER_06]: I never talk more about half and I know what half I'm talking about with the quarter-back situation with the wire receivers, but that happens in all positions and whether you're working with the first group, second group, third group.
27:15
[SPEAKER_06]: So you'd better get your ass out there on the field, man, and you know, and it's fine to wait to show a title, but a lot of times you show a title against lesser
27:23
[SPEAKER_06]: You know, competition, right?
27:25
[SPEAKER_06]: Is it good?
27:26
[SPEAKER_06]: So I think more than anything is helping those guys to be helped, you're leading into that last, no mini-cat, you know, the OTA, the finish it off and things like that.
27:35
[SPEAKER_06]: And so, you know, you're behind hateball right now.
27:38
[SPEAKER_06]: If you're hurt right now, the dolphin locker room, you're behind hateball behind some of these guys that have been there for all faces so far.
27:46
[SPEAKER_06]: Yep.
27:47
[SPEAKER_02]: Where were you on the depth chart?
27:48
[SPEAKER_02]: Were you first came in as a first round pick?
27:53
[SPEAKER_06]: second group.
27:54
[SPEAKER_06]: But I was with Danny.
27:55
[SPEAKER_06]: I worked with Danny Marino one one series in practice and you know you call to play that wasn't in the playbook.
28:02
[SPEAKER_06]: I didn't know it.
28:03
[SPEAKER_06]: So I went back to my second group and I stayed there for about six weeks.
28:07
[SPEAKER_02]: So you were aware of the time, like, where are you were in the packing room?
28:12
[SPEAKER_02]: You were just figuring out.
28:13
[SPEAKER_06]: Well, you know, in South, don't say a freaking word.
28:17
[SPEAKER_06]: Don't think of me as a dog.
28:19
[SPEAKER_06]: Because the first round pick I had a lot more love than some of the other guys did, you know what I mean?
28:24
[SPEAKER_06]: So, but I, once I learned to play book, I was a stone, I was a stone's throw away from being in any position because I knew everything was this.
28:31
[SPEAKER_06]: So once I got in that book,
28:35
[SPEAKER_06]: Learn every position.
28:36
[SPEAKER_06]: Scott Miller, where you ask, Scottie, we're looking for you.
28:40
[SPEAKER_06]: Scott Miller, though, what's I learned every position?
28:42
[SPEAKER_06]: I was able to, you know, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was second team for the first half of the first year.
28:49
[SPEAKER_04]: So our guy Doug's got a bounce here in a second.
28:52
[SPEAKER_04]: So I just want to ask you one more thing Doug, before you got to go, there were a lot of different things discussed that I thought were really good that came out of half of these most recent press availability.
29:02
[SPEAKER_04]: But he kind of said something under his breath.
29:03
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm glad that Alan Pupard followed up.
29:05
[SPEAKER_04]: They were talking about the inner squad practices.
29:10
[SPEAKER_04]: And he kind of mentioned, I don't like doing two days.
29:15
[SPEAKER_04]: I only like doing one day.
29:17
[SPEAKER_04]: And he's sent it under his breath and then they came back and he's like, you guys like two days, why do you like two days and the whole thing?
29:23
[SPEAKER_04]: And then he explained why he likes to only do it one day.
29:26
[SPEAKER_04]: What was your take from that?
29:28
[SPEAKER_04]: And his guy likes to travel to those practices.
29:31
[SPEAKER_04]: What are your thoughts?
29:33
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, um, I love what he said because, you know, he, right now he's more worried about installing things and getting stuff right and, you know, getting the, all the, you know, the tempo and, you know, a lot of the what we saw with him miced up is him talking about communicating talk talk talk talk talk talk talk.
29:53
[SPEAKER_03]: So right now he's not worried about, you know, let's let's show who we are and let's do this and let he's more worried about, okay, I need to see what we have.
30:00
[SPEAKER_03]: I need to make sure you guys understand this and that.
30:03
[SPEAKER_03]: So, you know, the thing that clicked the most to me that he said is a lot of times when you have two joint practices back to back.
30:12
[SPEAKER_03]: If you struggle day one, you come out day two going harder to try to make up for day one, and that's where injuries can happen.
30:19
[SPEAKER_03]: And when he said that, I was like, yeah, I agree a thousand percent with that.
30:22
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, right now the joint practices and preseason is more about seeing what we have and competing against someone that's not.
30:30
[SPEAKER_03]: someone that you like like juice said, you know, how many times did say a Madison know you're going to run that route?
30:35
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, it's because you ran that route how many times in practice.
30:38
[SPEAKER_03]: So he knew it was coming.
30:39
[SPEAKER_03]: That's what these joint practices and preseason are for.
30:42
[SPEAKER_03]: So, you know, I actually like it.
30:44
[SPEAKER_03]: I wouldn't be surprised with next season.
30:45
[SPEAKER_03]: He might do too, but right now he's not worried about that right now.
30:48
[SPEAKER_03]: He's worried about installing the offense and installing the defense and making sure these guys know what they're doing.
30:54
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, that's absolutely right because you think about it, like, like, gonna be talked about, man, you know, half, half answer was, like, incredible.
31:03
[SPEAKER_06]: You know, Jimmy Johnson, I know he went hung out with podcast Jimmy Johnson.
31:07
[SPEAKER_06]: That's okay.
31:10
[SPEAKER_06]: I was gonna ask that, I was like, I'm like, yeah, I'm like, the fuck, I got a dig for ass.
31:18
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, I'm counting now one of you said, this punk ass, does that?
31:21
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, that's what I'm asking for.
31:23
[SPEAKER_00]: That one fell like that shit.
31:25
[SPEAKER_02]: That's what I got.
31:26
[SPEAKER_06]: Don't think the rest of that one.
31:27
[SPEAKER_06]: It was the rest of that one.
31:28
[SPEAKER_06]: It was the rest of that one.
31:29
[SPEAKER_06]: I got you, I got you.
31:31
[SPEAKER_06]: But, you know, like Dougley said, then we're talking about, you know, two practices against the team, what you get, if I get the best of you today, next day we're fighting no matter what.
31:41
[SPEAKER_06]: It's going to be something going on and, you know, you risking all these other things.
31:44
[SPEAKER_06]: And so why go through all that?
31:47
[SPEAKER_06]: And I'm with it.
31:48
[SPEAKER_06]: Plus, I don't know if you can't practice twice a day anyways.
31:51
[SPEAKER_06]: We did two days, two days, and set.
31:56
[SPEAKER_06]: Tell me if I'm wrong here because you were there.
31:59
[SPEAKER_06]: We did two of their joints, didn't we?
32:01
[SPEAKER_04]: We did.
32:02
[SPEAKER_06]: Like it was a morning and afternoon join in morning and afternoon join.
32:05
[SPEAKER_06]: I think we did we maybe one the next day, maybe three total.
32:09
[SPEAKER_04]: I just went like a lot and it's funny that we're talking and Doug, if you got about you, you don't have to.
32:15
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, appreciate you.
32:16
[SPEAKER_04]: I appreciate you.
32:17
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, those are the guys.
32:19
[SPEAKER_04]: He wants to be on a table at the end, so if he has to sneak out, he doesn't have to make a scene about it.
32:23
[SPEAKER_04]: He can just sneak out.
32:24
[SPEAKER_04]: We don't hold it against him.
32:26
[SPEAKER_04]: So you have your Doug, I wish he helped people to go to your channel, but they're already there.
32:30
[SPEAKER_03]: They need to go in here.
32:31
[SPEAKER_03]: They need to come here.
32:32
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to bring in here.
32:33
[SPEAKER_04]: And a few more.
32:34
[SPEAKER_03]: I'll send a few.
32:36
[SPEAKER_04]: All right.
32:37
[SPEAKER_04]: I'll see you, bud.
32:38
[SPEAKER_04]: So, oh, man.
32:41
[SPEAKER_04]: Now, I just remember that first year of Jimmy's first year in 96 is oh, gotten a fight two days in a row against Washington.
32:50
[SPEAKER_04]: And he got to fight against Tampa and those joint practices two days in a row against Washington though.
32:55
[SPEAKER_04]: That was classic.
32:56
[SPEAKER_06]: They didn't have a scatter report on Israel.
32:57
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, they're like, oh, this dude right here is going to mix it up.
33:01
[SPEAKER_06]: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
33:17
[SPEAKER_04]: We know where you stand on that.
33:20
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm curious as to, you know, I don't know, Mike, what are your thoughts?
33:24
[SPEAKER_04]: Does it matter?
33:25
[SPEAKER_04]: Is it just a fun thing?
33:27
[SPEAKER_04]: Is it a good thing that, because halfway is close with one step and one step's close with Jimmy and Jimmy recommended acumen and acumen, helped hire, you know, Sullivan, like, is all of that stuff a good thing for the dolphins doesn't even matter?
33:44
[SPEAKER_04]: Two answers.
33:48
[SPEAKER_01]: And two, just because we got new voices in the room, it can only be a good thing.
33:54
[SPEAKER_01]: This wasn't organization that needed to sort of get right at everybody at the top level.
33:59
[SPEAKER_01]: And they kind of have John Eric Sullivan, the brother of the whole bunch of new scouts, new people around him.
34:04
[SPEAKER_01]: It needed to happen.
34:06
[SPEAKER_01]: It was a lot of the same, I mean, 25 years since one of the left game.
34:11
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm not saying it's all the fault of Chris Greer.
34:13
[SPEAKER_01]: It's all this guys.
34:14
[SPEAKER_01]: But a lot of those people have been there for a very long time.
34:18
[SPEAKER_01]: It can't hurt.
34:20
[SPEAKER_01]: Now I know, you know, if you start saying names like one step and Jimmy, but that's still going back almost 30 years at this point.
34:28
[SPEAKER_01]: You're right.
34:28
[SPEAKER_01]: What's old is new again.
34:30
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's like, yeah, right, bring it on.
34:33
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
34:34
[SPEAKER_03]: So I know exactly.
34:35
[SPEAKER_01]: But no, I mean, I don't have a problem with it.
34:39
[SPEAKER_01]: New voices in the room, new ideas, try something different because Stanispo wasn't really working.
34:46
[SPEAKER_06]: Right.
34:47
[SPEAKER_06]: Bring this in.
34:48
[SPEAKER_06]: It says, I can touch on this subject, man.
34:50
[SPEAKER_06]: Look, just because I don't like Jimmy, doesn't it?
34:54
[SPEAKER_06]: Well, no, I didn't touch on the half of his race.
34:58
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, you must have loved Jimmy the right way and Nick's sure to hate the next two.
35:01
[SPEAKER_01]: You must have.
35:03
[SPEAKER_06]: He's a certified clown.
35:04
[SPEAKER_06]: That's what he is.
35:05
[SPEAKER_06]: It didn't happen.
35:06
[SPEAKER_06]: Nick's next or down 30, by the way.
35:08
[SPEAKER_06]: Anyway, yeah, exactly exactly.
35:11
[SPEAKER_06]: But you know, I think it's a great resource.
35:14
[SPEAKER_06]: I love one set.
35:15
[SPEAKER_06]: So if one said, I told half, you know, it's okay, right?
35:18
[SPEAKER_06]: Connect them to connect with, I don't know where the hell is from, but it's probably somewhere Probably more West Virginia than this part, but that's okay.
35:25
[SPEAKER_06]: If you know, if one said, you know, Connected half with Jimmy Jimmy has been a model success.
35:32
[SPEAKER_06]: I'm not going to sit here.
35:33
[SPEAKER_06]: Just because I don't like him personally doesn't mean he has to miss successful at what he does, man.
35:38
[SPEAKER_06]: You know, I mean, help.
35:40
[SPEAKER_06]: Jimmy Bill won the best defense in his mind.
35:42
[SPEAKER_06]: We don't have a history.
35:43
[SPEAKER_06]: I mean, the killer bees, of course, were great.
35:44
[SPEAKER_06]: The no-name defense obviously better, you know, but same time, no, the defense that he had was absolutely incredible.
35:50
[SPEAKER_06]: So I think the fact that, you know, you got a young half-lee, you know, driving down the sea, Jimmy, you know, him and Eric, the John Eric Sullivan, going down there to spend time with Jimmy.
36:00
[SPEAKER_06]: That's, you know, that's that's why you information.
36:02
[SPEAKER_06]: And the fact that we've got coaches that aren't too vain,
36:06
[SPEAKER_06]: Or organizations, not too vain to go down there and bounce that off of a guy that's done it right and got it gotten it right.
36:13
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I don't know if he's gotten it right.
36:15
[SPEAKER_06]: We can't, we can't dispute Jimmy's, you know, records, you know, and that's, that's great.
36:20
[SPEAKER_06]: So sounding more like that is this valuable.
36:23
[SPEAKER_06]: And you know, it sounds like they got a lot out of that trip.
36:26
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, of course Jimmy's asking I'm gonna come up here because he's you know whatever, but they had to go see him come come kiss the rain But I get it.
36:33
[SPEAKER_06]: It's it's all good But they they got a lot out of that man And I'm happy that they went down here and I'm glad that he came back with a positive You know feedback from what Jimmy awfully, because I don't care about what we did back when I played All I care about is what we do now and what half can use from a guy like Jimmy Johnson Dave wants that to make our team the team We wanted to be moved before because we've been
36:56
[SPEAKER_04]: trash, garbage, garbage, it's a great point, Jews that you brought up and when half of these says one of the things they discussed was how rough Jimmy's first year in Dallas was and then how he went on to win Super Bowls, it kind of shed some light on
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[SPEAKER_04]: where their expectations are, you know, like obviously John Eric Sullivan and Jeff Haffley, there's not a coach on the planet and we saw with Brian Flores, no coach wants to lose games, even if it's going to benefit them and it's a great draft next year and all these other things, like that's great and fans want to tank and all these no coach wants to go in there and have that his record, his career coaching record starts this year.
37:41
[SPEAKER_04]: it doesn't start next year.
37:43
[SPEAKER_04]: It starts this season.
37:44
[SPEAKER_04]: So whatever he finishes, that's that's on him.
37:47
[SPEAKER_04]: That's going to be on his Wikipedia page for life, whatever his character coaching it.
37:50
[SPEAKER_04]: And so those guys want to win as many games as possible.
37:53
[SPEAKER_04]: It was quickly as possible.
37:54
[SPEAKER_04]: But now he's prepared for what you know, because the Cowboys, they win one game that first year.
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[SPEAKER_06]: One and 15.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
38:02
[SPEAKER_04]: So, I mean, it was absolutely abysmal for him to have that resource to say, look, this is what we did, but this is what we did with it.
38:09
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, it had to hurt for Walker trade, too.
38:11
[SPEAKER_06]: That really changed organization, right?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Absolutely.
38:14
[SPEAKER_06]: You know what I mean?
38:14
[SPEAKER_06]: You know what I mean?
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[SPEAKER_06]: Jimmy tried to do the same thing with Debra Reno, of course.
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[SPEAKER_06]: He tried to trade Danny for the farm, you know, and that wasn't our owners weren't having it.
38:22
[SPEAKER_06]: So, I get what you're saying, big Seth.
38:23
[SPEAKER_06]: And, you know, Jimmy was a great person now.
38:27
[SPEAKER_06]: I think that happened.
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[SPEAKER_06]: So, you're a great person now.
38:29
[SPEAKER_06]: I think they're so far.
38:31
[SPEAKER_06]: You know, as far as we know, they've had a whole run on personnel from either resigning the guys we talked about, or the draft picks that we got that victory we all love, if they can build it that way, and if you know, low salary can't deal, we're going to be, we're going to make this ship with this crew right here, man, so I'm with you on that man, so yeah, you know, that's it, it's it's it's it's it's it's all positive I think any information.
38:53
[SPEAKER_06]: But first time in a failhead coach, of course, half these coach, you know, a coach in a college game, first time in a failhead coach, just an opportunity like this.
39:02
[SPEAKER_06]: I think it's a big time opportunity to go down and talk somewhere like that.
39:05
[SPEAKER_06]: And why I said being probably his mentor, I'm calling this mentor, right?
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[SPEAKER_06]: Is that what we for sure.
39:10
[SPEAKER_05]: Absolutely.
39:11
[SPEAKER_06]: You know, once, you know, once just a great guy that had some success at all levels, but not great success, you know, not really college or deprosies.
39:23
[SPEAKER_06]: He was he was good to solid coach, but he's also a really good guy, you know, that could bounce off both good.
39:36
[SPEAKER_04]: There it is.
39:37
[SPEAKER_04]: He tried to tell us.
39:38
[SPEAKER_06]: So I want to get into the van one way to try to tell why I tried to not.
39:43
[SPEAKER_04]: I want to get into the legal zone in a moment.
39:45
[SPEAKER_04]: There's a question here from our buddy Andrew Crowe.
39:48
[SPEAKER_04]: Jews, can you talk about the attitudes of players at the start of camp and how it changes by the start of the season?
39:54
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, yeah, the attitude right now is there.
39:56
[SPEAKER_06]: Some guys are feeling pretty good about themselves coming out.
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[SPEAKER_06]: These these OTAs and many camps.
40:00
[SPEAKER_06]: Some guys are not feeling so good.
40:02
[SPEAKER_06]: So they're going to be going in there and working their butts off right now to make sure they're staying safe.
40:06
[SPEAKER_06]: I think half talked a lot about it about guys that don't go doing anything right now or going to be a trouble.
40:12
[SPEAKER_06]: Come free anytime time.
40:13
[SPEAKER_06]: So you've got to you got to stay on the you got to stay on the grind even though you're a cool.
40:20
[SPEAKER_06]: You know, when I was we were done, I used to go like to can't cool or I go on the cruise, but every day I was working out and running because I know that you don't come in shape, like half said, you're going to end up trying to get in shape, but all these other guys are already in shape.
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[SPEAKER_06]: So.
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[SPEAKER_06]: You know, I think, you know, going into training camp, there's a lot of uncertainty because these guys have been in, you know, like, what Jason Taylor called the, you know, the T-shirt and shorts Olympics or whatever it is, so like that, they're going to put paths on real soon in the next few weeks when they get in there, it's going to be paths and paths change everything.
40:53
[SPEAKER_06]: Some guys are great and I know I play with so many really, really good players that were
41:04
[SPEAKER_06]: When the past came on, a lot of things changed.
41:07
[SPEAKER_06]: And I'm telling you this, a lot of things are going to change when it comes to what we hear from reports.
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[SPEAKER_06]: And from training camp, when the past come on.
41:15
[SPEAKER_06]: So these guys better be wary of the fact that there's nobody that has an upper hand on anybody.
41:22
[SPEAKER_06]: Other than the guys that have new contracts, new deals, have been around, but all the everybody else be ready for what's going to happen because it's going to be a whole different world once training camp starts.
41:33
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, no doubt about it.
41:35
[SPEAKER_04]: Great stuff.
41:35
[SPEAKER_04]: Good question.
41:36
[SPEAKER_04]: Great answer.
41:37
[SPEAKER_04]: All right.
41:38
[SPEAKER_04]: Let's roll into the Van Horn Law Group Legal Zone and Chad Van Horn.
41:43
[SPEAKER_04]: There may not be a bigger story in sports other than Donald Trump putting the voodoo on on the nicks.
41:49
[SPEAKER_04]: There may not be a bigger story in all of
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[SPEAKER_04]: Right, gambling, suspension, lawsuits, love of Texas, five judges that all are Texas tech grads and they'll be really restored and college football has lost their minds.
42:15
[SPEAKER_04]: So, and you talk a little bit about the legalities of it all, and then, you know, we've got A.D.s from other and coaches from other universities saying, we're not going to schedule Texas Tech.
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[SPEAKER_04]: If this is the way they're going to do it.
42:30
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's all part of the drugs me nuts, and then I got so to say on that.
42:33
[SPEAKER_04]: And then tech is like, okay, yeah, so let's, that's collusion.
42:38
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, you know, we'll have our lawyer chat, man, or maybe you'll be in touch with you.
42:42
[SPEAKER_04]: Talk to us about not just how it's impacting sport, but the legalities of it all.
42:48
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, before we get into that, how many we're here have downloaded one of the apps that you can bet on?
42:54
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll raise my hand, I have everybody here.
42:56
[SPEAKER_01]: You can probably download it, yeah.
42:58
[SPEAKER_02]: Not only.
42:59
[SPEAKER_02]: OK, you have it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: How many of us have eligibility left to play in the NCAA?
43:03
[SPEAKER_02]: Because I still have some years.
43:05
[SPEAKER_04]: I have all four years left.
43:07
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, those are just so many of them.
43:09
[SPEAKER_02]: But that's it.
43:09
[SPEAKER_06]: You said, you saw mine up, Chad.
43:11
[SPEAKER_06]: You saw mine up.
43:13
[SPEAKER_06]: Hey, I didn't get a Kobe years.
43:18
[SPEAKER_02]: But hey, baby, you get one now, but this is not about one quarter.
43:20
[SPEAKER_04]: Can I register for three decades?
43:22
[SPEAKER_04]: Is that what I buy it?
43:25
[SPEAKER_02]: But no, legitimately, this is going to be a documentary one day, because this is about gambling, N-A-L money, addiction, court and junctions, whether the NCAA actually has any power left.
43:37
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, there's so much going on, because he was ruled in-eligible by the NCAA after gambling violations, as you talked about.
43:46
[SPEAKER_02]: They say he placed $90,000 worth of bets.
43:51
[SPEAKER_02]: including best tied to Indiana when he was there.
43:54
[SPEAKER_02]: Now, this is not talking about when O.J.
43:56
[SPEAKER_02]: was at school.
43:57
[SPEAKER_02]: We're talking about parking tickets, free meals, maybe some free ice cream with the green room.
44:01
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think it's green.
44:02
[SPEAKER_06]: Right, the green room.
44:03
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's a, that's a, that's a come up.
44:07
[SPEAKER_02]: But this is not, this is, this is not some old school NCA, nonsense where a kick gets punished for some bullshit.
44:13
[SPEAKER_02]: This is Pete Rose like gambling and gambling is the
44:21
[SPEAKER_02]: Especially when we're talking about quarterback is the quarterback touches the ball every play.
44:25
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, right and it in if fans are wondering whether the quarterback has money on the game.
44:32
[SPEAKER_02]: Sport has a problem.
44:35
[SPEAKER_02]: But as you said, Seth here, here's the twist.
44:38
[SPEAKER_02]: So if you want to court and the Texas judge, I don't know where he went to school.
44:43
[SPEAKER_02]: But I want to Texas tech.
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[SPEAKER_02]: gave him an injunction.
44:46
[SPEAKER_02]: And what that means for now is the NCA cannot enforce the punishment while this lawsuit plays out.
44:54
[SPEAKER_02]: So, so let's be clear, but does that mean he's won the judge basically said hold on NCA.
45:01
[SPEAKER_02]: We're going to pause this while the courts figure this out.
45:05
[SPEAKER_02]: So some of you can say this is a win because we're not going to figure it out or the next year or so.
45:14
[SPEAKER_02]: Right, I think that's what happens after that year.
45:18
[SPEAKER_02]: The season's over.
45:20
[SPEAKER_02]: I understand he's still suspended for two games that the going into the season.
45:25
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think Mike might be bringing this point up where the big 12 came in and they talked about boycotting talks about all this bullshit, but did he play for a big 12 school before?
45:36
[SPEAKER_02]: What did he say?
45:39
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, right?
45:40
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's the AD's from the SEC who want to take a moral high ground the SEC
45:47
[SPEAKER_02]: get a mic, I'm going to say some time and see them to you at the end of this because I want you to do my rent because your voice just does it better than mine, the print rent voice for sure, definitely, definitely has it, schools in a big 12.
46:09
[SPEAKER_01]: who break every rule that that's out there.
46:12
[SPEAKER_01]: But the SEC invented this when it comes to cheating.
46:15
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's be honest.
46:16
[SPEAKER_01]: And you got the idea, Georgia, who's had some of his football players the past five years, literally kill people.
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[SPEAKER_01]: driving 125 miles an hour, literally kill people.
46:27
[SPEAKER_01]: He wants to stand on his soapbox and say, enough enough, this kid can't play.
46:32
[SPEAKER_01]: Seriously, look, I did it, he didn't play.
46:35
[SPEAKER_01]: The kid shouldn't play, but I don't want to hear any AD from the big 12, but especially the SEC, the SEC.
46:42
[SPEAKER_01]: Talk about any of this nonsense about, we're not going to play Texas 10.
46:45
[SPEAKER_01]: Clean up your own house first.
46:46
[SPEAKER_01]: That's all I'm going to say.
46:48
[SPEAKER_02]: And I could skip through a big part of them because that's where I was is, like, I get it, gambling is serious, this is not great, he's going to rehab, I believe it is a disease, but this is a problem for the NCAA because if this ruling stands and that's why the NCAA has to appeal this, if this ruling stands,
47:13
[SPEAKER_02]: It's going to create a really bad precedent where students can get away with this where yeah gambling if I get caught I go to rehab everything's cool right.
47:24
[SPEAKER_02]: And obviously this is a mainstream because he could be a first round pick one day.
47:30
[SPEAKER_02]: We don't know if it's going to happen.
47:32
[SPEAKER_02]: We'll see what happens with, I know they're talking about the sublittle draft.
47:36
[SPEAKER_02]: He's not going to deal with that anymore.
47:38
[SPEAKER_02]: But if he has a great season, it could be a first round pick.
47:41
[SPEAKER_02]: I think in OJ, you'd be the best position to tell me.
47:46
[SPEAKER_02]: If he performs well, stays clean, does great.
47:50
[SPEAKER_02]: I think that he can leave this behind him.
47:55
[SPEAKER_02]: a great place for second chances, leaving you especially when you're a young adult where there's all these things out there.
48:02
[SPEAKER_02]: There's billboards we're telling you hey, one this.
48:05
[SPEAKER_02]: So I hope that is, but I am a cold football fan as well.
48:09
[SPEAKER_02]: So I don't want college football ruined.
48:12
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you know, Chad, you know.
48:15
[SPEAKER_06]: honestly, if this would never be a problem with these, that's where it may cause everyone's down $90,000 thing.
48:22
[SPEAKER_06]: We met $2,000, we used to be a better, we used to bet our weekend money at Penn State on, you know, we're tying the flight was going to land.
48:33
[SPEAKER_06]: It was like $12.50 and we were like, I can't wait to get your $12.50.
48:39
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, just me and you bet a dollar sitting at a piece bar and who's going to score the next basket.
48:46
[SPEAKER_06]: We sure did and we we bet we we bet a dollar on the bull riding we bet a dollar on we bet a dollar.
48:52
[SPEAKER_06]: We we can't go farther than these dudes with 90 with 90 Gs.
48:56
[SPEAKER_06]: But I remember quarterback back in Ohio State.
48:58
[SPEAKER_06]: You guys never our sister.
48:59
[SPEAKER_04]: Of course.
49:00
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
49:00
[SPEAKER_06]: All right.
49:01
[SPEAKER_06]: It was not quarterback.
49:03
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
49:04
[SPEAKER_06]: We had a gambling problem.
49:05
[SPEAKER_06]: That's why I agreed.
49:06
[SPEAKER_06]: It's definitely a problem.
49:08
[SPEAKER_06]: But the amount of money these guys having their pockets is probably like a drop in the bucket.
49:11
[SPEAKER_06]: But here's the thing about I'm a huge P. Rose fan, P. Rose being the whole same.
49:17
[SPEAKER_02]: I agree.
49:17
[SPEAKER_06]: You know what I mean?
49:18
[SPEAKER_06]: P. Rose.
49:19
[SPEAKER_06]: You know, I get what he did.
49:21
[SPEAKER_06]: But there was nobody that.
49:23
[SPEAKER_06]: deserves it.
49:23
[SPEAKER_06]: I mean, there's other guys that deserve it just as much, but nobody more than Pete Rose.
49:27
[SPEAKER_06]: But when you get, when you start doing shit like this, bro, thinking, you know, it's, it's, it's a conflict and it's just obviously meant because you do, like, I think you said it's best said and you say they, the balls in his hands all the time and chat said it.
49:43
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
49:44
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, he touches the ball and every play.
49:46
[SPEAKER_06]: You could determine anything.
49:48
[SPEAKER_06]: Third, long, I could throw it short, throw it out of bounds, throw it in a sense, like do whatever I want to do.
49:52
[SPEAKER_06]: You can troll the outcome, but it's football game.
49:55
[SPEAKER_06]: Anybody have much control of outcomes of football games.
49:58
[SPEAKER_06]: You know what I mean?
49:59
[SPEAKER_06]: That's a problem.
49:59
[SPEAKER_06]: Referees in basketball.
50:01
[SPEAKER_06]: Referees have the most control in basketball.
50:04
[SPEAKER_06]: 50, 50 calls in basketball, charge block.
50:06
[SPEAKER_06]: You know, Mr. Defiler, not a file.
50:08
[SPEAKER_06]: Those things are like huge picture.
50:10
[SPEAKER_06]: If right now, I currently tell, I said 2000 and first five minutes.
50:14
[SPEAKER_06]: That changed the whole outcome to game.
50:16
[SPEAKER_06]: Yep.
50:16
[SPEAKER_06]: Well, this series, you know, whether it goofs out or not, but a wrap week in the tournament, the quarterbacks got that same type of power, you know.
50:25
[SPEAKER_02]: And just to your point, I think one of the bigger things going on is these players now have the money to litigate these issues.
50:34
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, back to the day back in the day you just got bullying right because you could.
50:39
[SPEAKER_06]: Okay, okay, whatever.
50:41
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, what lawyer can represent you.
50:44
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, let, right, you can even give like future income to these lawyers.
50:48
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, some of them are backed by law firms.
50:50
[SPEAKER_04]: They're a law firm who's given him the idea of money.
50:53
[SPEAKER_02]: right so so I think I forget who said it and I think I remember who said it but there's what somebody said one one day is like if you borrow like a hundred thousand dollars from the bank he can't pay it they have all the leverage on you but if you borrow a hundred million
51:12
[SPEAKER_02]: you have all leverage on them, because if you don't pay it, it's gonna take down the bank, right?
51:18
[SPEAKER_06]: So they's law firm, we were just called a champ in horn, we just called them.
51:22
[SPEAKER_02]: I was just gonna say.
51:23
[SPEAKER_02]: But no, no, these law firms that are investing in these players, they're put a lot of money, a lot of effort.
51:28
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not a small thing to them.
51:29
[SPEAKER_02]: So they need to see them succeed.
51:32
[SPEAKER_02]: So when he's going to his team, he's like, all right, what are we gonna do about this instead of like, what are you gonna do about it, right?
51:40
[SPEAKER_02]: Like it's it's a Wii issue and the law firm step up like well, we're going to sue and we're going to find Texas tech judges and we're going to Like we're going to we're going to we're going to everything we need to do to make sure this has and I'm sure they have a crisis management team and everything behind it.
51:56
[SPEAKER_02]: So it really is a whole new dynamic behind college football.
52:00
[SPEAKER_06]: You know, you know, you know, they better find Texas tech judges because they burn out of fine university Texas judges.
52:07
[SPEAKER_06]: They burn out fine Baylor judges.
52:09
[SPEAKER_06]: They burn out fine on university Houston judges.
52:11
[SPEAKER_06]: Because they'll be coming for they hate each other.
52:15
[SPEAKER_06]: And they do say yeah, they didn't love like they were all Texas.
52:22
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, great stuff.
52:23
[SPEAKER_04]: I have a feeling that that we may get another vandalin log group legal zone out of this at some point down the line because it's just that wild of a story.
52:31
[SPEAKER_04]: All right, let's roll into, I tried to tell y'all now.
52:34
[SPEAKER_04]: Juice Savak has decided there's a new way to do this like it's the new
52:40
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, my question for you is the normal order of the universe is you always kick this segment off.
52:47
[SPEAKER_04]: How do you want to handle it?
52:48
[SPEAKER_04]: Dealer's choice as the guy sitting in that first seat.
52:52
[SPEAKER_04]: How do you want to handle it?
52:53
[SPEAKER_04]: Given that Savak is got another produced piece that is a drag question.
53:02
[SPEAKER_06]: How to hell am I not in on how this was done, man?
53:05
[SPEAKER_06]: Am I not part of this fucking show or not?
53:08
[UNKNOWN]: thing.
53:09
[SPEAKER_04]: What do you mean, like, I didn't decide to.
53:13
[SPEAKER_04]: You both, you both break the who?
53:15
[SPEAKER_01]: Obviously.
53:16
[SPEAKER_04]: So there's my.
53:18
[SPEAKER_01]: First I'm here and have a choice.
53:19
[SPEAKER_01]: First I'm here.
53:20
[SPEAKER_01]: I told my.
53:20
[SPEAKER_01]: I was in Riverside earlier.
53:21
[SPEAKER_04]: They working on another podcast.
53:23
[SPEAKER_04]: And then I saw.
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[SPEAKER_04]: that survived.
53:32
[SPEAKER_04]: I haven't watched it.
53:33
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know what it's about.
53:34
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm just telling you, I thought I was doing this solid by telling you that there's another print.
53:39
[SPEAKER_04]: It's a bug.
53:40
[SPEAKER_06]: I can't survive.
53:41
[SPEAKER_06]: I can't survive.
53:41
[SPEAKER_06]: I can't survive.
53:42
[SPEAKER_06]: You can't survive.
53:43
[SPEAKER_06]: I'm not going to survive.
53:45
[SPEAKER_06]: I'm not going to be a twit.
53:47
[SPEAKER_06]: I'm not fucking quit.
53:48
[SPEAKER_06]: I'm on the watch again.
53:51
[SPEAKER_01]: He just pulled a ton of retillies, leaving the field.
53:53
[SPEAKER_00]: You sure did.
53:55
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, I'm going to assure you, nobody else is in on it.
53:58
[SPEAKER_00]: There's a something I've been doing myself.
54:01
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll tell you.
54:02
[SPEAKER_04]: Actually, no, I'm going to play it now.
54:06
[SPEAKER_00]: Right now.
54:08
[SPEAKER_00]: I tried to tell y'all, you really don't respect fundamentals until you see them up close.
54:14
[SPEAKER_00]: So I had the magnificent opportunity to attend the firekeepers casino 400 at Michigan International Speedway, and I can hear y'all already saying,
54:46
[SPEAKER_00]: I need some work, I need to get up and learn how to do it, I need some work, I need to get up and learn how to do it.
55:11
[SPEAKER_00]: what an amazing experience.
55:13
[SPEAKER_00]: Cool, if you'll get the opportunity, it was a blast.
55:15
[SPEAKER_00]: It's even more fun when your favorite driver makes a bit of history in the process.
55:20
[SPEAKER_00]: So against the general consensus, I'm a Danny Hamling fan.
55:24
[SPEAKER_00]: Sorry, he's great.
55:25
[SPEAKER_00]: And he's arguably the Dan Marino of NASCAR, best driver to have never won a Cup Series Championship.
55:31
[SPEAKER_00]: And even at age 45, he continues to get better and better.
55:35
[SPEAKER_00]: Two weeks in a row, he qualified for the top spot.
55:38
[SPEAKER_00]: Two weeks in a row, something dropped him to the back of the pack, and two weeks in a row, he somehow fought his way back up to the front to win.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That second one, tying a record held by his former teammate and recently dearly departed friend Kyle Bush.
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[SPEAKER_00]: For all time, Cup Series wins.
55:55
[SPEAKER_00]: It was exciting, it was dramatic.
55:57
[SPEAKER_00]: It was educational.
55:59
[SPEAKER_00]: And what really stood out to me and what has truly captured my attention is how much of a team sport NASCAR really is.
56:06
[SPEAKER_00]: Folks don't think about it, but there are so many more people affecting the outcome than just the driver.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Spotters, crew chiefs, pit crews, which are generally made up of former college athletes from all over.
56:18
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm talking football, basketball, baseball, wrestlers, they're all out there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Every single person doing their part and if just one of them screws up, their car isn't
56:27
[SPEAKER_00]: made me think back to the pre-seeding era of Dolphins football where it seemed like the franchise was more concerned with chasing the fastest car instead of building the best team and as any of the best teams it will tell you in NASCAR, fans, obsess over drivers, good organizations, focus on assembling great crews and watching these guys out there work and like that
56:49
[SPEAKER_00]: gave me new perspective and a greater appreciation for celly and half's vision, while everything on the outside is focusing on the cubic, the driver, if you will.
56:59
[SPEAKER_00]: Those guys are thinking about the details.
57:02
[SPEAKER_00]: Do we have the fastest higher change?
57:04
[SPEAKER_00]: Can we find a bigger jackman?
57:07
[SPEAKER_00]: How can we find two in this engine to get the maximum performance out of it with
57:18
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, those fellas seem to think so.
57:20
[SPEAKER_00]: NASCAR professionals would agree, and I try to tell you.
57:30
[SPEAKER_04]: And there it is.
57:30
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, did we lose the wrong.
57:32
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, my crap.
57:33
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought you'd do it.
57:35
[SPEAKER_04]: And I got, uh...
57:38
[SPEAKER_04]: They're good.
57:39
[SPEAKER_06]: Very, very, very nice.
57:40
[SPEAKER_06]: You didn't like to survive, but truly I worked out very well there.
57:44
[SPEAKER_04]: There you are, there you are, I'm too sad.
57:47
[SPEAKER_06]: Well produced.
57:48
[SPEAKER_04]: Choose your up.
57:49
[SPEAKER_06]: Now, I told you I'm done.
57:51
[SPEAKER_06]: Oh, because you tried to tell us that you're not doing it.
57:54
[SPEAKER_06]: Nah, I tell you not.
57:55
[SPEAKER_06]: I'm gonna do it.
57:56
[SPEAKER_06]: I'm gonna do it in the pro.
57:57
[SPEAKER_06]: I'm gonna, I'm gonna hire a Fresno Savak.
58:00
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, yeah, I can't use Savak.
58:01
[SPEAKER_06]: These are a produces own shit.
58:04
[SPEAKER_06]: I'm gonna let you have that one.
58:05
[SPEAKER_06]: I'm gonna let you have that one.
58:07
[SPEAKER_06]: Nah, get dingy, man.
58:08
[SPEAKER_06]: Do you wanna do it?
58:09
[SPEAKER_06]: I'm gonna do it.
58:10
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I'm gonna give it down.
58:12
[SPEAKER_06]: I tried to tell you all that y'all thought South Florida was going to feast again this year.
58:20
[SPEAKER_06]: Nah, not the dolphins, not the heat, not the panthers.
58:26
[SPEAKER_06]: All three of us was sitting home watching to play out on TV in the same damn off season.
58:32
[SPEAKER_06]: Watson and Nick and Carolina and all the other teams we hate compete really sucks.
58:39
[SPEAKER_06]: That's a Miami sports fan tragedy.
58:42
[SPEAKER_06]: A triple miss like we ain't seen in a minute.
58:45
[SPEAKER_06]: The vibes in the 305 right now, rough, real rough.
58:50
[SPEAKER_06]: Dolphins another year, another miss playoff postseason, seven and 10, third and eight, third and eight, out early again, coaching changes, front office, you know, shakeups, the whole rebuild, talk, kicking in.
59:05
[SPEAKER_06]: Two win the boys are out, and their efforts weren't enough.
59:08
[SPEAKER_06]: Extending that playoff, winless drought, even longer than we've seen in a long time.
59:14
[SPEAKER_06]: We were built for a contention, but injuries and consistently in absentee.
59:18
[SPEAKER_06]: That absentee was tough.
59:20
[SPEAKER_06]: Brian said, not so fast, my friend.
59:22
[SPEAKER_06]: Look at the heat.
59:23
[SPEAKER_06]: The heat, 43 and 39 playing again, but couldn't punch the ticket.
59:28
[SPEAKER_06]: First time missing the real playoff since 2019.
59:31
[SPEAKER_06]: Suppose proofs grabbed all year, but it just didn't fall their way.
59:36
[SPEAKER_06]: Culture is still there, but the results?
59:39
[SPEAKER_06]: Pain.
59:40
[SPEAKER_06]: Peer pain for a franchise.
59:42
[SPEAKER_06]: that's been so resilient.
59:44
[SPEAKER_06]: Panthers back to back champs.
59:47
[SPEAKER_06]: Lost in the Stanley Cup finals the year before they won their championship.
59:52
[SPEAKER_06]: First time since 2019, for the defending champs could buy out like that.
59:58
[SPEAKER_06]: 40, 38 and four out of the mix.
1:00:01
[SPEAKER_06]: The hockey world is shook, but Florida fans, we feel that one even deeper than the other teams.
1:00:06
[SPEAKER_06]: Three powerhouse franchises, three different sports, one brutal all season with a dance floor state MP.
1:00:13
[SPEAKER_06]: no deep runs, no banner chases, just questions, cap headaches, draft boards, and free H.C. prayers.
1:00:20
[SPEAKER_06]: But listen, this is South Florida.
1:00:23
[SPEAKER_06]: We are built different.
1:00:24
[SPEAKER_06]: We've seen the loaves and come worn back.
1:00:27
[SPEAKER_06]: I tried to tell you all before.
1:00:29
[SPEAKER_06]: Paces in the process, trust the culture, keep building bridges and bridges and building and bridging gaps, big Seth.
1:00:38
[SPEAKER_06]: The same way we grind through the heat,
1:00:43
[SPEAKER_06]: is the same way we reload after every hit.
1:00:47
[SPEAKER_06]: Beaty said it best, Chad bad horn.
1:00:50
[SPEAKER_06]: It was all a dream.
1:00:52
[SPEAKER_06]: Are you certain?
1:00:53
[SPEAKER_06]: But dreams turned into reality when you put in that work.
1:00:57
[SPEAKER_06]: The all season is here for a reason.
1:00:59
[SPEAKER_06]: To reload, we focus and remind everybody why my enemy sports hit different when it clicks.
1:01:06
[SPEAKER_06]: To the fans hurt right now, I feel you.
1:01:09
[SPEAKER_06]: I live the Dolphins life, the highs, their sweeter after nice like these, use these pain as fuel.
1:01:16
[SPEAKER_06]: Next season, we're coming.
1:01:18
[SPEAKER_06]: All three squads got something to prove.
1:01:21
[SPEAKER_06]: South Florida don't stand down, we rise.
1:01:24
[SPEAKER_06]: But what I'm really trying to tell you is that South Florida residents, and I don't care where you came from, need to cheer for the local team.
1:01:33
[SPEAKER_06]: Missing the playoffs, don't, it down here hurts all of us.
1:01:37
[SPEAKER_06]: It hurts the bars, the restaurants, the hotels, and much more.
1:01:42
[SPEAKER_06]: So those of you that don't move for the local team, I hope you're enjoying your time off.
1:01:47
[SPEAKER_06]: And the less money you are making and the high gas price you're paying, as you're enduring, going to work for less loot.
1:01:56
[SPEAKER_06]: Keep your old town alliances all you want, but don't complain and for those of you locals, I've got some of you too.
1:02:04
[SPEAKER_06]: Please, when you applaud other teams, shame on you and a Savat fuck you.
1:02:11
[SPEAKER_06]: I'm from, not you personally Savat.
1:02:14
[SPEAKER_06]: I'm talking about the locals that roof are other teams that are from here.
1:02:17
[SPEAKER_06]: Fuck them, man.
1:02:18
[SPEAKER_06]: I'll from Cleveland today's not gonna do.
1:02:22
[SPEAKER_06]: I'm from Cleveland and I'm not going back.
1:02:24
[SPEAKER_06]: I am a South Florida guy and I love all of our teams even though Marlins, I try to tell you all.
1:02:36
[SPEAKER_04]: There it is.
1:02:37
[SPEAKER_04]: I am glad that you shared that with us, juice.
1:02:40
[SPEAKER_04]: I think that what we, we will have all missed out.
1:02:44
[SPEAKER_04]: Strongly appreciated.
1:02:45
[SPEAKER_06]: No, I'm saying it.
1:02:47
[SPEAKER_04]: It's been everybody on it.
1:02:49
[SPEAKER_04]: And everybody on it, do a lot of it.
1:02:52
[SPEAKER_04]: Chad Van Horns.
1:02:54
[SPEAKER_04]: Do you have a full exam in Asia?
1:02:56
[SPEAKER_02]: I got a quick one.
1:02:58
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll put this picture up here, Robert.
1:03:01
[SPEAKER_02]: It's the best picture.
1:03:03
[SPEAKER_02]: So my daughter just wrote this poem.
1:03:06
[SPEAKER_02]: It says, Mom says, Nat, Dad says, Nick, I've seen enough spurs and six.
1:03:12
[SPEAKER_02]: That's all I got.
1:03:13
[SPEAKER_06]: There are no nice.
1:03:14
[SPEAKER_06]: You're looking out where you're in now, where you're in now, where you're in here.
1:03:19
[SPEAKER_04]: That's a good one.
1:03:20
[SPEAKER_04]: Very nice.
1:03:21
[SPEAKER_04]: Michael Leiva, what did you try to tell us?
1:03:24
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, so the Miami Dolphins haven't won a Super Bowl since the 1973 season.
1:03:28
[SPEAKER_01]: You haven't been to the Super Bowl since 1984 season.
1:03:32
[SPEAKER_01]: We're about to go on 26 to soon to be 27 years where they haven't won a playoff game and organization that's always teasing, but never pleasing.
1:03:42
[SPEAKER_01]: Being a fan of the Dolphins, just as juice is set of late has not been easy.
1:03:48
[SPEAKER_01]: And I know many Miami Dolphins fans have felt hopeless over the past 20 plus years.
1:03:53
[SPEAKER_01]: that we're never going to be good again, and there's no light at the end of the tunnel.
1:03:57
[SPEAKER_01]: But I, Michael leave him here to tell all dolphins fans, and keep hope alive.
1:04:01
[SPEAKER_01]: And we need to look no further than to the NBA for inspiration.
1:04:06
[SPEAKER_01]: Currently we're in the middle of the NBA finals.
1:04:09
[SPEAKER_01]: We have two very different teams fighting for the Laryo Bryant trophy, but there are parallels here where they're Miami dolphins.
1:04:15
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's start with a San Antonio spurs, a very young team.
1:04:19
[SPEAKER_01]: The second youngest team to ever make the NBA finals, and you look at our Miami Dolphins team, a very young roster filled with a bunch of rookies and second-year players.
1:04:28
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not saying that the Miami Dolphins are going to win the Super Bowl next year, but I'm saying in the next two to three years, could the Miami Dolphins be the NFL's version of the San Antonio spurs?
1:04:37
[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, we hope now I know some of you are saying out there this first able legitimate superstar in the roster who is the envy of every team in the league and the dolphins don't have a superstar of that level and you're right they don't I will say this though if this season goes as expected maybe just maybe the Miami dolphins have the next great quarterback and their version of one binyama
1:05:02
[SPEAKER_01]: who signed it by the way, and I don't care what you said today, I saw your post on social media.
1:05:08
[SPEAKER_01]: He's a dirty player, and he's a little bit funny.
1:05:11
[SPEAKER_01]: Now you're asking French, and you know what?
1:05:14
[SPEAKER_01]: Screwed one, Ben Yam, I think when this year is, it looks like they are, but don't tell me he ain't a dirty player, and you know, you can't even elbow in the diaphragm in a soda, or jail in front of you, never trust the French.
1:05:26
[SPEAKER_01]: That's right, no.
1:05:27
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, on the other hand, we got the next, and the next one more relatable to Miami Dolphins fans.
1:05:33
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, next fans and fans did Dolphins have a lot in common.
1:05:36
[SPEAKER_01]: Both long-suffering, fan base, who has been dying to see their team win for like 50 years.
1:05:44
[SPEAKER_01]: team to a fan base that sometimes social media gets a little out of control and might act a little delusional at times.
1:05:50
[SPEAKER_01]: They are two franchises that were great to 70s.
1:05:53
[SPEAKER_01]: Pretty good in the 90s but never got over the hump and they haven't been very good much since.
1:05:58
[SPEAKER_01]: And these two organizations have a lot in common as well.
1:06:00
[SPEAKER_01]: Two franchises would off the field scandals with players the past 20 plus years.
1:06:05
[SPEAKER_01]: Scandals with front office executives the past 20 plus years and you know
1:06:13
[SPEAKER_01]: Stephen Ross and James Dolan to tone deaf out of touch owners who've been in clueless since the day they each bought their teams.
1:06:21
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay?
1:06:22
[SPEAKER_01]: If James Dolan can get his team and ain't looking good, at least two wins away from an NBA championship, if James Dolan can get his team to the NBA finals, Dolphin's fans, we got hope that means Stephen Ross could even look into one of these at some point in his life.
1:06:36
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe not a championship, but it worse a super bowl of
1:06:43
[SPEAKER_01]: But at the end of the day sports are kind of sports.
1:06:46
[SPEAKER_01]: You get a roster of very good players You get a head coach who could push the right buttons and you get an owner who just shuts up and stays out of the damn way So why not us now?
1:06:54
[SPEAKER_01]: You're gonna be this year But if a young roster like this first could win a championship or make a championship run I can't Miami in a few years Well, for franchise with a bad owner that's been consistently down in the dump for two decades can finally get there and get close Why can't us
1:07:12
[SPEAKER_01]: Dolphins fans, look at the NBA and the NBA finals for a little bit of sliver of hope.
1:07:19
[SPEAKER_01]: Because the Miami Dolphins are young, even where they're spurs, or maybe we just get lucky and the owner doesn't mess up.
1:07:25
[SPEAKER_01]: So why not us?
1:07:31
[SPEAKER_04]: COVID.
1:07:32
[SPEAKER_04]: There it is.
1:07:38
[SPEAKER_04]: You must confuse with a ran if you got off with the owner and a whole thing.
1:07:42
[SPEAKER_04]: Race of money.
1:07:44
[SPEAKER_04]: Race of money.
1:07:44
[SPEAKER_01]: It is dirty, O.J., women down is dirty.
1:07:47
[SPEAKER_01]: Just always not.
1:07:48
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
1:07:49
[SPEAKER_06]: Nice nice.
1:07:50
[SPEAKER_06]: They beat the hell out of women, y'all.
1:07:51
[SPEAKER_06]: Every single night, they beat the hell up.
1:07:53
[SPEAKER_01]: Looks like, yeah.
1:07:54
[SPEAKER_02]: He's so sweet.
1:07:56
[SPEAKER_02]: Savaka's dirtyer than women be, honestly.
1:07:59
[SPEAKER_06]: They beat him up every single night.
1:08:01
[SPEAKER_06]: The grab on and put him around every single night.
1:08:06
[SPEAKER_06]: And what if it's supposed to give it a snap to a little bit of you back?
1:08:09
[SPEAKER_06]: No way, you're going to try to take it down.
1:08:11
[SPEAKER_06]: You don't trust the French.
1:08:13
[SPEAKER_06]: You know what I mean?
1:08:14
[SPEAKER_06]: So try to take it down.
1:08:14
[SPEAKER_06]: What the hell is going on?
1:08:15
[SPEAKER_06]: Don't get Trump any ideas.
1:08:18
[SPEAKER_06]: He's in a return.
1:08:19
[SPEAKER_04]: We can just return the way he is, all right?
1:08:22
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, you know, I don't know that we're going to solve that problem tonight.
1:08:26
[SPEAKER_04]: But gentlemen, I tried to tell you all.
1:08:30
[SPEAKER_04]: that Dave Hyde is one of the most important voices in and around South Florida sports.
1:08:36
[SPEAKER_04]: Unfortunately, it seems as if I should have been trying to tell the Sun Sentinel, although how in the world do they not already know this?
1:08:44
[SPEAKER_04]: For those of you who are just catching up, yesterday the award-winning columnist who has spent the past 36 years writing about South Florida
1:09:00
[SPEAKER_04]: That's it.
1:09:01
[SPEAKER_04]: A man who has made his living for nearly four decades writing hundreds and hundreds of thousands of words, maybe even more, brought his Sentinel career to a close in less than 500 characters.
1:09:14
[SPEAKER_04]: And what does that say about the paper's character?
1:09:16
[SPEAKER_04]: Look, I don't know any of the details.
1:09:19
[SPEAKER_04]: When things like this happen oftentimes there are great severance packages, buyouts, mutual parties of ways, and all the other things that come with the business of business.
1:09:28
[SPEAKER_04]: And sometimes there's none of it.
1:09:30
[SPEAKER_04]: The context of Dave's tweet and the words like, laid off, lead me to believe there wasn't a whole lot of warm and fluffy.
1:09:37
[SPEAKER_04]: And that bothers me most.
1:09:38
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm a firm believer that there's a right way in a wrong way to handle most things and this feels all kinds of wrong.
1:09:45
[SPEAKER_04]: Those who respond to my own angry tweet with lessons of corporate America, hedge funds and dying industry, it's all accurate.
1:09:52
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't agree disagree with you.
1:09:54
[SPEAKER_04]: There's no argument here, but that's the what.
1:09:57
[SPEAKER_04]: And if I'm looking for, if I'm going to talk about this in terms of the what, that's what the beat writers talk to me about.
1:10:03
[SPEAKER_04]: They write about the what, writing a game story, telling us the final score, and how many yards and touchdowns a Devon H&Ran for, that's the what.
1:10:13
[SPEAKER_04]: then you get the all 22 breakdowns by a million people now.
1:10:16
[SPEAKER_04]: That's the how.
1:10:18
[SPEAKER_04]: But the why and the what what does it mean?
1:10:20
[SPEAKER_04]: That's always been what's intrigued me.
1:10:23
[SPEAKER_04]: And I don't think I'm alone.
1:10:24
[SPEAKER_04]: There's a reason the title of column this was once revered like a journalism PhD.
1:10:30
[SPEAKER_04]: Even in today's world of 24-hours new cycles, live tweeting, live streaming, and no shortage of fan content creators, it has always been the columnists who provide a perspective that few others can, and Dave High did just that in his market as well as anyone.
1:10:46
[SPEAKER_04]: The columnists ask the tough questions, calls for change, challenges the norm.
1:10:50
[SPEAKER_04]: They also challenge us to think and to look beyond the
1:10:55
[SPEAKER_04]: perhaps that's the sad irony here is that I run is coming to the finish line not long after Chris Greer the general manager who's head he called for turned in his playbook as well but point that I'm making is that you guys thought of it hide-roading.
1:11:12
[SPEAKER_04]: Superstar players, billionaire owners, legendary head coaches, or iconic team presidents, Dave Hyde was not afraid to challenge them when things didn't make sense, nor praise them when they did.
1:11:22
[SPEAKER_04]: And good batter and different, he was always direct but fair.
1:11:25
[SPEAKER_04]: Honest in his writing and perspective, but never blinded by his own agenda or cloud.
1:11:30
[SPEAKER_04]: Dave is also constantly curious, while steadfasting his beliefs, I can assure you that every PR man in woman in this town, past and present, would say he was willing to ask to give you the opportunity to tell him why he should see something differently.
1:11:44
[SPEAKER_04]: Oftentimes, even before he went to print.
1:11:47
[SPEAKER_04]: Now, they may not have won them over every time, but they were given the chance to do so.
1:11:51
[SPEAKER_04]: Dave was also open to ideas.
1:11:53
[SPEAKER_04]: He was unmotivated by captivating, contrarian clicks that seemed to drive so many writers today, and he was willing to tell a feel good story as easily as he would bring you doom and gloom.
1:12:02
[SPEAKER_04]: And let me stop using the word was, because Dave is.
1:12:06
[SPEAKER_04]: While I'm interested in seeing what is next on his journey, I have no idea what that will be, I just know that there will be a next.
1:12:14
[SPEAKER_04]: And that's because Dave has never mailed it in.
1:12:17
[SPEAKER_04]: The bottom line is this.
1:12:18
[SPEAKER_04]: In the world of sports, we're winning is everything.
1:12:21
[SPEAKER_04]: We all lost yesterday in a massive way.
1:12:24
[SPEAKER_04]: I recognize there's no shortage of content being published, the Sentinel will probably continue to print papers and post-web stories for years to come, David Fronus and our guy Chris Burkins are going to do a fine job with their Dolphins coverage, but as I've told you in this space before, new doesn't always mean better.
1:12:42
[SPEAKER_04]: Activity doesn't always equate to productivity.
1:12:45
[SPEAKER_04]: What's the other one?
1:12:46
[SPEAKER_04]: Price is what you pay, values what you get, and is this cliche machine continues to turn and ain't over until it's over.
1:12:53
[SPEAKER_04]: But unfortunately, Dave Hides on Sentinel tenure is over, and we can only hope that one of South Florida's most important sports voices finds a new home and does so soon.
1:13:04
[SPEAKER_04]: I tried to tell you all.
1:13:07
[SPEAKER_02]: Now, we're seeing critical thinking is bad, so, and big ups a day.
1:13:13
[SPEAKER_02]: That's great.
1:13:15
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm seeing it from a lost standpoint, and we're seeing it from a journalist's standpoint.
1:13:22
[SPEAKER_02]: I spoke to a son sent a reporter today who has been there for, I think, 40 years.
1:13:30
[SPEAKER_02]: And I hope that we were able to keep these people around because it will show the next generation.
1:13:36
[SPEAKER_02]: You just, you can't just put things into chat GPT or anything and let it think for you.
1:13:41
[SPEAKER_02]: You need that girl with thinking.
1:13:42
[SPEAKER_02]: You need to be able to ask questions.
1:13:44
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, so great take, Seth.
1:13:47
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, thank you, sir.
1:13:48
[SPEAKER_02]: I appreciate it.
1:13:49
[SPEAKER_06]: Love it.
1:13:51
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, we ran a little long tonight, but I think we all had a lot to get off of our chest or off of our hard drives, Savak.
1:13:58
[SPEAKER_04]: But, so you got there, it is rocking the fish tank.
1:14:01
[SPEAKER_04]: I like it.
1:14:02
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, we got to figure out what to talk about as they go on summer break.
1:14:05
[SPEAKER_04]: But we will.
1:14:06
[SPEAKER_04]: We'll be right back here next Wednesday.
1:14:08
[SPEAKER_04]: I hope everyone checked out our Toronto Armstate episode.
1:14:10
[SPEAKER_04]: If you haven't, you can go listen to it on Apple, Spotify, wherever you get your podcasts from an audio perspective and tomorrow.
1:14:17
[SPEAKER_04]: Right, Mike?
1:14:18
[SPEAKER_04]: Are we dropping the video tomorrow right here on the screen?
1:14:20
[SPEAKER_01]: nine nine a.m. All right.
1:14:22
[SPEAKER_04]: So what if you watched it and you want to see it or if you listen to you want to see it or if you haven't listened at all but you prefer that to watch, you can do that right here on the Dolphins talking to you too.
1:14:30
[SPEAKER_06]: I'm not coming next Wednesday, big set.
1:14:33
[SPEAKER_06]: You're male, you're done.
1:14:34
[SPEAKER_06]: Boycott, boycott.
1:14:36
[SPEAKER_04]: What are you boycotting exactly?
1:14:39
[SPEAKER_04]: show.
1:14:40
[SPEAKER_04]: I understand, but what is it about the show?
1:14:42
[SPEAKER_01]: You want to go first when come to time.
1:14:44
[SPEAKER_01]: Do I try to tell y'all?
1:14:45
[SPEAKER_01]: He had the second.
1:14:46
[SPEAKER_04]: I gave him the worst choice.
1:14:48
[SPEAKER_06]: You did it.
1:14:48
[SPEAKER_06]: You did it.
1:14:49
[SPEAKER_06]: I'm just boycotting because I just stuck him.
1:14:51
[SPEAKER_06]: Big set.
1:14:52
[SPEAKER_04]: Look at the boycott.
1:14:54
[SPEAKER_06]: Yes.
1:14:55
[SPEAKER_04]: I can accept that if you get one of those sandwich boards and walk up and down, like the, like the, uh, the protesting, uh, you know what they were holding out?
1:15:03
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
1:15:05
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
1:15:06
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll be, I'll be here.
1:15:07
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
1:15:08
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to be outside of Savox place, man.
1:15:11
[SPEAKER_02]: If he started with these produced pieces, I'm going to be protesting his body.
1:15:15
[SPEAKER_02]: Hey, we went.
1:15:15
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
1:15:16
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
1:15:16
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I don't do that.
1:15:18
[SPEAKER_02]: The reason we run, the, reason we run 30 minutes late is because his 30 minutes spot.
1:15:24
[SPEAKER_02]: Really good.
1:15:25
[SPEAKER_04]: How about if you got to go to Michigan to do it?
1:15:27
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know where it's going to go.
1:15:29
[SPEAKER_02]: Right here.
1:15:30
[SPEAKER_02]: They've got to do it.
1:15:31
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
1:15:31
[SPEAKER_02]: The electric sheep rope.
1:15:32
[SPEAKER_02]: There I think.
1:15:35
[SPEAKER_04]: Too good.
1:15:36
[SPEAKER_04]: Just get us out of here, man.
1:15:38
[SPEAKER_06]: Hey, everybody.
1:15:39
[SPEAKER_06]: Thanks for diving in.
1:15:48
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