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El-Sayed Ducks Key Iran-Israel Question, Rogers Raises Al Qaeda Claim · 3 Martini Lunch – Political Humor & Commentary

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the Three Martini Lunch.
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  Speaker 2: Grab a stool next to Greg Karambas of Radio America
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  Speaker 2: and Jim Garrity of National Review.
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  Speaker 1: Three Martini's coming up. So glad you're with us for
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  Speaker 1: the Friday edition of the Three Martini Lunch. Grab a stool,
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  Speaker 1: a lot to get to. We've made it to the
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  Speaker 1: end of another crazy and wild week and Jim, I
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  Speaker 1: know we're just inside a month until Election Day, but
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  Speaker 1: it seems like every state and every race has crammed
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  Speaker 1: their debates into this week. It's just like one after
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  Speaker 1: the other after the other, just a handful every single
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  Speaker 1: night in major races. Certainly, again, the case last night,
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  Speaker 1: but the one I think that's getting the most attention
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  Speaker 1: is the U.S. Senate debate in Michigan, pretty highly anticipated
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  Speaker 1: between Abdul El-Sayed and Mike Rogers. And, you know, there
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  Speaker 1: are certain questions that you should be able to answer
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  Speaker 1: pretty easily. Even if you're not a big fan of
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  Speaker 1: Benjamin Netanyahu or Israel, the question of what's a bigger
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  Speaker 1: threat to the United States, Israel or Iran, not a
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  Speaker 1: complicated question, not a difficult question, unless you're Abdul El-Sayed.
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  Speaker 3: I'm going to ask you again tonight, who do you
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  Speaker 3: think is a bigger threat to the United States, Israel
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  Speaker 3: or Iran?
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  Speaker 1: You have 60 seconds.
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  Speaker 3: And again, Rick, I'm just going to say that that's
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  Speaker 3: a ridiculous hypothetical, because here's what's happening right now. Our
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  Speaker 3: ostensible ally in Israel has lobbied us to go to
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  Speaker 3: war with Iran. We have watched as Iran has responded
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  Speaker 3: by bombing all kinds of countries in the Middle East
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  Speaker 3: and then choking off the world's energy supply. So this
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  Speaker 3: is a situation in which I don't think we should
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  Speaker 3: be apart. I don't want to be pushed into war
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  Speaker 3: by Israel.
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  Speaker 1: And so the moderator tried one more time later in
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  Speaker 1: the conversation. I'm going to ask you again tonight, who
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  Speaker 1: do you think is a bigger threat to the United States,
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  Speaker 1: Israel or Iran? You have 60 seconds.
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  Speaker 3: And again, Rick, I'm just going to say that that's
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  Speaker 3: a ridiculous hypothetical.
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  Speaker 1: Ridiculous hypothetical. We're at war with them right now, Jim. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Hypothetical is... Greg, if all of the Bears quarterbacks get
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  Speaker 2: injured in practice and you are selected to be the
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  Speaker 2: quarterback against the Jets, how many touchdowns do you throw
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  Speaker 2: for them? That's a hypothetical scenario, right? You could say that,
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  Speaker 2: you know, like if you and I were asked that,
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  Speaker 2: we would say it's an absurd question because we are
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  Speaker 2: not enemies with Israel. We are not in a state
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  Speaker 2: of hostility with them. They've been an ally for many,
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  Speaker 2: many years. Do we have differences and disagreements every now
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  Speaker 2: and then? Yes. Iran is a sworn enemy of the
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  Speaker 2: United States. They begin every parliament session with death to America.
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  Speaker 2: It's not even a remote question. But notice he never
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  Speaker 2: says that. He talks a lot about how Israel got
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  Speaker 2: us into this war. I'm hoping Michigan voters are listening
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  Speaker 2: enough to notice he never says, oh, that's absurd. Iran
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  Speaker 2: is a bigger threat to the U.S. than Israel is.
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  Speaker 2: And if you believe that, You would say that when
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  Speaker 2: you say this is absurd and then criticize Israel. Well,
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  Speaker 2: then all of a sudden and you don't really say
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  Speaker 2: that much. You know, like this is, you know, based
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  Speaker 2: upon Abdullah Sayed's own rhetoric. This is the way he
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  Speaker 2: talks about Iran, the way he talks about Israel. And
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  Speaker 2: that's what prompted the question. And the fact that he
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  Speaker 2: didn't really want to give a straight answer, I think,
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  Speaker 2: is very revealing. I just hope Michigan voters are paying attention.
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  Speaker 1: Iran's been at war with us since 1979, from the
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  Speaker 1: hostage crisis, killing our troops in Iraq, and so many
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  Speaker 1: other ways around the world. Number one state sponsor of terrorism.
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  Speaker 1: Not a hard question. But speaking of terrorism, Mike Rogers
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  Speaker 1: took it to Abdullah Syed on getting money from groups
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  Speaker 1: linked to the Muslim Brotherhood and other terrorist organizations. And
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  Speaker 1: then somehow it got into a dust-up about their moms.
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  Speaker 4: No, no, well, let's do this. Let's open up this
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  Speaker 4: can of worms. I'll tell you what my mother did.
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  Speaker 4: She was a small— You going after my mom? I'm
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  Speaker 4: not going after your mom. What your mom was working at,
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  Speaker 4: I was going after that organization that was indicted for
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  Speaker 4: funneling money to al-Qaeda.
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  Speaker 2: Look, that's your mom.
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  Speaker 4: My mom worked at a local chamber of commerce. I'll
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  Speaker 4: put my mom up any day for that.
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  Speaker 2: All right.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, my mom worked at home and then was briefly
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  Speaker 1: employed at a Christian bookstore, Jim, not funneling money to Al-Qaeda.
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  Speaker 1: So you usually don't go after the opponent's mom, but
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  Speaker 1: sometimes it's relevant.
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  Speaker 2: I'm looking back, the high schools and the computer programming
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  Speaker 2: companies that my mom worked for never were indicted for
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  Speaker 2: funneling money to anybody, to be honest, any terrorist group. Look,
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  Speaker 2: first of all, I would have loved it if Mike
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  Speaker 2: Rogers had not, after laying out his mother's work for
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  Speaker 2: an organization that was named as a, you know, for
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  Speaker 2: sending money to Al-Qaeda, if he had then followed it
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  Speaker 2: up with a good half dozen yo mama jokes and
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  Speaker 2: just completely, no, but like, well, here's the thing. Ordinarily,
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  Speaker 2: candidates do not speak of their opponents' mothers, but if
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  Speaker 2: mom worked for a front group for terrorists, I think
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  Speaker 2: you kind of have to, like, that's not, that is
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  Speaker 2: kind of relevant. That is, you know, particularly in the
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  Speaker 2: context of, oh, it's ridiculous to make me try to
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  Speaker 2: choose between Israel and Iran. And which one is a
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  Speaker 2: bigger terrorist group? And by the way, he's been a
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  Speaker 2: state health official for a long time. If you want
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  Speaker 2: to say, oh, the issues of terrorism, foreign policy, national security,
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  Speaker 2: that's not relevant to my job. Therefore, it doesn't matter
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  Speaker 2: if I'm soft on terrorism. Okay, but you're running to
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  Speaker 2: be a U.S. senator. You'll be having a lot to
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  Speaker 2: say about U.S. national security policy, about policies in the
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  Speaker 2: Middle East. our policies towards Israel, our policies towards Iran,
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  Speaker 2: and lots of other hostile countries. This is very much
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  Speaker 2: part of the job, Abdullah Al-Sayed. Why do you think
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  Speaker 2: it's absurd that everybody keeps bringing up this stuff?
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  Speaker 1: It's incredible. And if you follow the reporting over at
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  Speaker 1: Free Beacon, Washington Free Beacon, Abdullah Al-Sayed's dad has some
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  Speaker 1: Muslim Brotherhood ties too. So I guess it's all in
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  Speaker 1: the family, as they used to say.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, if he wants to say I was adopted, okay,
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  Speaker 2: go ahead. You can just kind of, you know, but....
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  Speaker 1: All right. Well, Michigan voters, you couldn't have a clearer
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  Speaker 1: the big buzzwords in this campaign season is socialism. People
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  Speaker 1: are now avowed socialists running for Congress, in some cases
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  Speaker 1: running for Senate. Some won their primary, some didn't. The DSA,
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  Speaker 1: Democratic Socialists of America, is becoming a bigger and bigger force.
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  Speaker 1: And so understanding what socialism is, and I guess isn't,
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  Speaker 1: is an important issue. Vice President J.D. Vance yesterday was
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  Speaker 1: at an event talking about visa reform. He's frustrated that
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  Speaker 1: he sees it. And so in the Q & A
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  Speaker 1: portion of his public appearance, he was asked to define socialism.
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  Speaker 1: And I think we've defined socialism pretty well here. Here's
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  Speaker 1: how J.D. Vance defined it yesterday. How do you define
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  Speaker 1: socialism personally? And why do you think socialist candidates are
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  Speaker 1: popping up everywhere across the country? Oh, man.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I guess.
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  Speaker 5: It's honestly, it's a hard term to define these days
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  Speaker 5: because very often socialism, you know, classically, you would think
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  Speaker 5: socialism is about prioritizing workers. And yet, in reality, I
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  Speaker 5: guarantee that most of the self-described socialists running across the
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  Speaker 5: United States of America are going to howl about this
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  Speaker 5: announcement today, which is prioritizing American workers over foreign workers.
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  Speaker 2: So, I don't know what the term means anymore.
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  Speaker 5: I think in reality, what it actually means in the
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  Speaker 5: American context is that you want to replace American workers
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  Speaker 5: with foreign workers and you want boys to play in
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  Speaker 5: girls sports. That's what unites the socialists that I see
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  Speaker 5: running across the United States of America today. You know,
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  Speaker 5: it's funny. Back in 2016, one of the most interesting
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  Speaker 5: things that happened is when Bernie Sanders, then, of course,
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  Speaker 5: the leading socialist in the United States of America, was.
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  Speaker 2: Asked about open borders. He gave an answer.
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  Speaker 5: That sounded similar to Stephen Miller's, where he said, of course,
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  Speaker 5: we're not going to have open borders because that's going
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  Speaker 5: to displace American workers. It is ironic that so many
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  Speaker 5: of the self-described socialists running across this country, they love
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  Speaker 5: the idea of replacing American workers with foreign workers, which
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  Speaker 5: suggests to me it's really not about the working class.
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  Speaker 5: It's about their hatred of native born citizens.
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  Speaker 1: So, Jim, you know, we've talked before about how the
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  Speaker 1: left likes to link every issue to every other issue.
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  Speaker 1: And so such and such is a something else issue.
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  Speaker 1: But socialism has a pretty specific definition. It's not just
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  Speaker 1: what your opponents are currently running on and advocating as
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  Speaker 1: crazy and as much as we should be opposed to it.
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  Speaker 1: Socialism is about seizing the means of production and the
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  Speaker 1: government is controlling industry and all sorts of other things.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure you'll talk about this as well. So that
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  Speaker 1: has a specific meaning. The Democrats might be shifting it
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  Speaker 1: here and there, depending on what their topic of the
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  Speaker 1: moment is, Medicare for all. Knowing what socialism is is
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  Speaker 1: kind of important.
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  Speaker 2: Particularly when Republicans are running a midterm campaign focused on
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  Speaker 2: don't vote for our opponents because they're socialists. It's really
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  Speaker 2: not helpful for the owning the means of production. For example,
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  Speaker 2: if an administration decided to take an ownership role in,
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  Speaker 2: let's say, 30 companies, a lot of people would say,
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  Speaker 2: that's socialism. Oh, by the way, that's what the Trump
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  Speaker 2: administration has done for some rare earths companies and defense
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  Speaker 2: contractors and Intel and all that kind of stuff. So
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  Speaker 2: I can understand why a representative of this administration Suddenly
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  Speaker 2: has to tap dance a bit when it comes to
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  Speaker 2: the definition of social. But traditionally, it means either de facto,
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  Speaker 2: you know, full on government ownership of, you know, beans
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  Speaker 2: production or the government having an extensive level of control. Now,
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  Speaker 2: you and I have talked on this podcast a bunch
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  Speaker 2: of times. That guy on the street who I used
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  Speaker 2: to joke, people think young people think they're socialists because
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  Speaker 2: they think it has something to do with social media.
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  Speaker 2: And there was that guy in the street who was
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  Speaker 2: doing it. He was like, no, socialism is about social
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  Speaker 2: and doing things together. Like, no, no. It's bad enough
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  Speaker 2: when people say, oh, no, no, I'm not one of
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  Speaker 2: those bad communist North Korea. Any of those countries that
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  Speaker 2: describe themselves as socialist, that's not what I'm about. I'm
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  Speaker 2: about Norway. Now, I've been to Norway. Norway is a
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  Speaker 2: lovely country.
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  Speaker 1: And it has.
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  Speaker 2: by the standards of China, North Korea, countries like that, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: it is more free market. And they do have very
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  Speaker 2: generous social benefits. But it's also all financed by offshore
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  Speaker 2: oil and gas. And it's one of those things where
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  Speaker 2: if you happen to be the Saudi Arabia of the
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  Speaker 2: Arctic and you have an enormous amount of resources that
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  Speaker 2: you can sell to other countries, bringing in all this money,
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  Speaker 2: you can afford to have a much larger government. You
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  Speaker 2: can afford to have a much more intrusive government. I
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  Speaker 2: would point out, by the way, taxes in Norway are
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  Speaker 2: still astonishingly high. And on both of my visits, people
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  Speaker 2: were like, yeah, I pay enormously high taxes and we
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  Speaker 2: still have all this money coming in from oil and
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  Speaker 2: natural gas. I don't know where all the money goes.
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  Speaker 2: That's not great. That doesn't strike me as a particularly
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  Speaker 2: good system that we would want to emulate over a year,
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  Speaker 2: but fine. Let's say you're one of those nice, clean
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  Speaker 2: air socialists they have over there in Europe. If we
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  Speaker 2: are Republicans, we need to be able to draw a
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  Speaker 2: clear distinction. And when the vice president says, socialism, well,
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  Speaker 2: it's about letting girls play in boys sports. No, boys
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  Speaker 2: play in girls sports. No, no, it's bad, but that's not,
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  Speaker 2: not all bad things are interchangeable and interconnected. That is
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  Speaker 2: a very bad idea on this. And when he also
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  Speaker 2: says about bringing in foreign workers to replace American workers, well,
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  Speaker 2: technically that would be the free exchange of labor. So
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  Speaker 2: that's really not socialism either. That's actually like too little
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  Speaker 2: government control and all that stuff. So look, we all
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  Speaker 2: knew J.D. Vance was not the most ardent free marketeer.
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  Speaker 2: Some of his comments in the past are just downright scary.
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  Speaker 2: He said that he would rather, you know, there's not
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  Speaker 2: a single cheap imported good that is worth a single
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  Speaker 2: American blue-collar job. I'd really like to check the math
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  Speaker 2: on that because that's a big part of the American
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  Speaker 2: purchasing power is the ability to purchase less expensive goods
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  Speaker 2: from other countries. So, look, this is a demonstration. Both
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  Speaker 2: parties have grown to the left on economics. The Republican
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  Speaker 2: Party is still the more free market of the two parties,
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  Speaker 2: but not nearly pro-free market enough. And in fact, deeply frustrating.
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  Speaker 2: And I think this is a sign of the administration
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  Speaker 2: is that we're saying you can't vote for Democrats. Otherwise,
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  Speaker 2: you'll end up with Mamdani. And then, of course, the
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  Speaker 2: president has this happy press conferences with Mamdani and all
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  Speaker 2: that kind of stuff. The message is he's destroying New York.
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  Speaker 2: Trump appears with him and says, you're going to be
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  Speaker 2: a great one. Look. socialism ends up with greater government control.
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  Speaker 2: Government does not respond quickly. It operates with imperfect knowledge.
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  Speaker 2: And that's how you end up with... That's why the
• 13:53
  Speaker 2: experience of Amtrak is different from the experience on airlines.
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  Speaker 2: This is why a public restroom is different from restrooms
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  Speaker 2: in private establishments. I'm trying to think.
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  Speaker 5: Government....
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  Speaker 2: Ideally would focus on a couple, like the really important
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  Speaker 2: stuff that only it can do. We really can't privatize
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  Speaker 2: and outsource bombing terrorists. It'd be kind of cool, but no,
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  Speaker 2: we can't do that. So anyway, just a dog's hash
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  Speaker 2: made of this. And if you're going to make socialism
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  Speaker 2: a big argument, not just in this election, but likely
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  Speaker 2: in the 2028 election, and you're vice president of the
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  Speaker 2: United States, and you want to run for president of
• 14:30
  Speaker 2: the United States, you had better come with an elevator
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  Speaker 2: pitch of what socialism is and why it's bad that
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  Speaker 2: does not involve boys playing in girls' sports.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I mean, we say it all the time. Words
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  Speaker 1: have meanings, and you got to know what they mean.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, the left all the time, no matter what
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  Speaker 1: Trump does or Republicans do, they're labeled as fascists, but
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  Speaker 1: they don't know what that means. They just know that
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  Speaker 1: it'll resonate or they think it will. You got to
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  Speaker 1: know what socialism is. And, uh, You'd think the left
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  Speaker 1: would embrace, it's still not right, the Norwegian model more,
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  Speaker 1: but did Bernie Sanders honeymoon in Oslo?
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  Speaker 4: No.
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  Speaker 2: No, no, it was in Moscow.
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  Speaker 1: Moscow. During the Cold War, that was not easy to
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  Speaker 1: get in there.
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  Speaker 2: By the way, that was like, you know, considering Sanders' age,
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  Speaker 2: I assume it was like right after the Russian Revolution.
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  Speaker 2: I exaggerate slightly, but not that much.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, man. There's a great Capitol Steps song from several
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  Speaker 1: years ago where Bernie Sanders is coming on stage. Had
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  Speaker 1: to be during 2016 or something. And he says, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: Very good.
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  Speaker 1: Don't let them fool you that, yeah, that socialism is
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  Speaker 1: being social.
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  Speaker 2: Greg, if Abdullah Al-Sayed has his way, we'll all have
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  Speaker 1: It was in our chaser a little bit earlier this
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: week that the U.S. government, the U.S. military, has set
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: an execution date for Nadal Hassan. He was the U.S.
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: Army major who shot up Fort Hood back in 2009
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: in a terrorist attack, obvious terrorist attack. 13 people dead,
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: plus an unborn child, 32 wounded. December 3rd, he will
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: be executed at Fort Hood. Yesterday, we learned from Defense
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: Secretary or War Secretary Pete Hegseth, depending on how you
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: want to label him, that this is going to be
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: live streamed. So it will be an opportunity to watch
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: the execution of Nadal Hassan. Some people out there are
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: saying that, you know, this is barbaric and it's coarsening
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: our culture. It's the last thing we need. Other people
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: are also pointing out that current military regulations don't allow
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: for this. Other people are saying, no, you have to
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: be able to see what the consequences are for doing
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: something as as heinous as this. So Jim, what was
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: your reaction to hearing that yesterday?
• 18:34
  Speaker 4: What?
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: No pay-per-view? Yeah, we're really upset about the deficit and
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: the debt. Bars, restaurants. No, I think it's actually, okay.
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: So I am bothered by it. I am bothered. So
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: I've actually moved two months. I do think that there
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: is some sort of morally corrosive sense of turning an
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: execution into a spectacle. We talked about the death penalty
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: a couple of times in the last couple of weeks.
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: And like, look, I'm very accepting of the idea that
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: there are certain people whose crimes are so heinous, whose
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: threat to other people, even in prison, to guards, other inmates,
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: stuff like that. There are some people in which the
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: state has a more than justified case to execute them.
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: Question is, and we always had witnesses for executions, for
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: lethal injections, things like that. You want to have outside
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: observers to say this is, you know, the act was done.
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: It was done in accordance to the law. It was
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: done as humanely as possible. All the different regulations we
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: have of how the state should execute someone. The question is, though,
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: do you... There was a famous New York tabloid one
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: of an execution by the electric chair where a guy
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: had a camera strapped to his ankle and went in
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: as an observer, took pictures of it, and it was.
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: Kind of salacious and appealing to our worst natures there.
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: So I'm troubled by it. But I'm also thinking, Greg,
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: so a couple of years back, there was some nut
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: job of a former employee of a local television station
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: down in Virginia. And he went and he stalked down
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: two of his co-workers, killed them on camera. If you
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: look online, you can find the footage of them turning,
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: seeing him, and then the shots are fired and the
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: signal goes dead. Or the murder of Charlie Kirk, which
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: was done by the gunmen, not by the French, not
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: by the Israelis, not by, you know, whoever can decide,
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: you know. And I think if you don't want to
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: watch someone getting killed, you should not be required to
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: watch someone getting killed. But there were some people like,
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: oh my God, how could anybody? And there's a part
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: of me that's like, well, it is the truth. It
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: is what happened. And the fact that we want to
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: avert our eyes from it and not see it does
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: not change what happened. The same way where people said
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: about the footage of the planes. Very little footage of
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: jumpers from the towers on 9-11 has ever been broadcasted. Generally,
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: it was broadcast live and then it was never broadcast again.
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: Footage of the planes hitting the towers has grown rarer
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: and rarer over time. It's very understandable. If you're a
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: functioning human being, you see that and you gasp, even
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: if you've seen it before, even if you've seen it
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: many years later, that is people's lives being extinguished in
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: an instant. I get that, but it is what happened.
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: And I don't know if we necessarily have a better
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: understanding of the world if we avert our eyes from
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: everything we don't want to see. Sometimes we have to see.
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: Sometimes we have to look. So I wouldn't make anyone
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: watch it. But I, you know, it is good to
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: have observers. I think the administration is misstepping on this.
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: And I have a sneaking suspicion that I, there's a
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: part of me would be surprised if it goes through
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: this way. I think there'll be legal challenges. I think
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: there'll be, this will tie up and otherwise, you know,
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: a process that's already long and drawn out with a
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: whole new issue of arguing of how it should be.
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: You know, I think it's entirely fine to have outside
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: observers there, but I think televising it, live streaming it,
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: stuff like that does not feel like appropriate for the U.S.
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: government on a matter that is literally life and death.
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: I do kind of tend towards the people who see
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: the hypocrisy on the left, the people who celebrated the
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: live murder or basically live murder of Charlie Kirk are
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: now recoiling at the fact that this might happen. Jim,
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: you and I are both old at this point. would say.
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: At least my kids remind me of that all the time.
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: Do you remember back in the 80s, it was the
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: left that wanted to televise executions, specifically Phil Donahue, because
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: he was so opposed to the death penalty, thought if
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: people actually saw it that they would shudder in horror
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: and demand that it no longer exist. Now it's the
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: exact opposite of what's going on here. So if you
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: age far enough, You'll kind of see things come full circle.
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: Well, in a strange way, you know, and you and
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: I are not diehard fans of Phil Donahue. No. Isn't
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: it great that when you and I talk to each other,
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: we don't ask a question in the sing-songy up and down.
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: One phrase goes into the other. What are we doing here?
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: Greg Karambas, what do you think? But I'm just like,
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: if everybody who witnessed an execution opposed the death penalty, well,
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: then maybe we shouldn't have it, right? It's one of
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: those things where you're like, well, I like this. I
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: want this thing to happen, but I never want to
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: see it. I suppose it could be like how they
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: make sausage. I suppose there are certain things in this
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: life where we like the end of slaughterhouses. We like
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: the end product. We like the burger on our bun.
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: We don't like how the cow becomes a patty of
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: a hamburger. I guess I can get that. But if
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: seeing executions would make everyone oppose them, that does seem
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: like an argument of maybe we should not have this.
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: There's a certain sense of like, this is done in
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: the name of all of the American people. And if
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: the American people can't bear to watch it, that might
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: be a sign that maybe we shouldn't be doing this. Again,
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: we talked earlier in the week about having conflicting feelings
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: about the death penalty. Also, by the way, I'm not
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: saying this is automatically going to lead to Richard Dawson
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: chasing Arnold Schwarzenegger across the landscape in The Running Man.
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: But that was the sort of thing where it's like, oh,
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: it's not just an execution of a prisoner. We've turned
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: the execution of the prisoner into entertainment. This does feel
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: like some early prequel chapter to that infamous Stephen King novel. Yes, exactly.
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: Well, even if a lot of people are squeamish with it,
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: I think there are certain crimes, I think you just
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: said it very well earlier, that warrant the death penalty. Obviously,
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: making sure that you've got the right person, capital offenses,
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: and Nidal Hassan, obviously, obviously. Fits every one of those boxes.
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: Premeditated for sure. But I'm also impressed, Jim, today that
• 24:51
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  Speaker 1: of the week. For the next three weeks, Jim and
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  Speaker 1: part for the next two weeks. There will be a
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  Speaker 1: but we will be back. uh, for, for a long time, hopefully, uh, uh,
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  Speaker 1: the next couple of weeks.
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  Speaker 2: So as we know, nothing exciting happens in late October.
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  Speaker 2: I will be around next week, uh, with, uh, Craig Collins, uh, right.
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: You know, every day he was, uh, an excellent guest co-host,
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: and I will be out for a stretch the following week.
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: I'm not going to say where I'm going, which is
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: automatically going to generate some... It is not your typical...
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: This is not a vacation. This will be a work
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: reporting trip, and I'll just leave it there. But then
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: Greg and I will be back together. Then I'll be
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: up at the National Review Institute dinner up in New York,
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: October 29th. And then in November, when things really get hot,
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: then we will be back together, talk about the last-minute
• 27:23
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• 27:25
  Speaker 2: another trip later in October. And then it's November. Then
• 27:28
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• 27:32
  Speaker 1: It's not. Oh, man. All right. Well, looking forward to
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: the break. And I'm sure you're excited about what awaits you.
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  Speaker 2: See you Monday, Greg. Actually, I won't see you Monday.
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  Speaker 2: I will see you in a while.
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