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How to Overcome the Lasting Damage of Trauma Through God’s Word · Your Hope-Filled Perspective with Dr. Michelle Bengtson podcast

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  Speaker 1: Life audio.
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  Speaker 2: Have you ever wondered why trauma seems to leave lasting
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  Speaker 2: marks on your mind, heart, and even relationships. In today's conversation,
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  Speaker 2: I sit down with doctor j Otis Ledbetter, author of
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  Speaker 2: Set Free, Released from the Damage of Trauma, to uncover
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  Speaker 2: how we can overcome the destructive effects of trauma and
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  Speaker 2: move towards God's peace and restoration. Drawing from scripture and
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  Speaker 2: real life experiences, doctor Ledbetter reveals how even biblical heroes
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  Speaker 2: wrestled with trauma and how we can learn from their
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  Speaker 2: stories to create tranquil paths of healing and wholeness.
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  Speaker 1: If you've been searching for.
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  Speaker 2: Hope after loss, abuse, crisis, or disappointment, this episode will
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  Speaker 2: encourage you that freedom is possible. Welcome to your hope
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  Speaker 2: filled perspective, where it's always our goal to restore hope,
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  Speaker 2: renew minds, and empower listeners to live in your God
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  Speaker 2: given identity. I'm your host, doctor Michelle bankson Board, certified
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  Speaker 2: clinical neuropsychologist, author and partner in your journey for our mental, emotional,
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  Speaker 2: and spiritual wellness. I'm delighted you've chosen to spend a
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  Speaker 2: few minutes of your week with us. Today We're going
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  Speaker 2: to be talking about how to overcome the lasting damage
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  Speaker 2: of trauma through God's word. We will dive right into
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  Speaker 2: that after this brief word from our sponsor. Trauma is
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  Speaker 2: something every person will face at some point in life,
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  Speaker 2: yet few know how to walk through it in a healthy,
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  Speaker 2: hope filled way. On this episode of Your Hope Field Perspective,
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  Speaker 2: I welcome pastor, counselor and author, doctor j Otis Ledbetter
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  Speaker 2: to discuss his latest book, Set Free, Released from the
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  Speaker 2: Damage of Trauma. With over fifty years of counseling experience,
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  Speaker 2: doctor Ledbetter offers biblical wisdom, practical steps, and compassionate insight
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  Speaker 2: for those who feel stuck in isolation, despair, and fear
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  Speaker 2: after trauma. Together, we will explore how God's word provides
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  Speaker 2: answers that lead us out of anguish and into healing, purpose,
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  Speaker 2: and freedom.
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  Speaker 1: In this episode of.
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  Speaker 2: Your Hope Filled Perspective, we will talk about how to
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  Speaker 2: overcome the lasting damage of trauma through God's word. And
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  Speaker 2: speaking of God's Word, I wanted to choose a scripture
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  Speaker 2: that I think a test to the theme of today's program,
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  Speaker 2: and the Lord put Isaiah sixty one, verse one on
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  Speaker 2: my heart. He has sent me to bind up the
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  Speaker 2: broken hearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the
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  Speaker 2: opening of the prison to those who are bound. Doctor
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  Speaker 2: j Otis Ledbetter is an author, conference speaker, and lead
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  Speaker 2: pastor at Sunrise Church in Clovis, California. He holds a
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  Speaker 2: Doctor of Ministry degree from Liberty University, Go Flames, and
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  Speaker 2: he's the author of Set Free, Released from the Damage
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  Speaker 2: of Trauma.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome Doctor Ledbetter.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you for having me such a pleasure, heard so
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  Speaker 3: much about you.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you.
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  Speaker 2: I appreciate that I was chuckling a little bit when
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  Speaker 2: I saw that you got your degree from Liberty University,
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  Speaker 2: because I have a graduate who just graduated from LU
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  Speaker 2: this past spring.
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  Speaker 1: So it's fun to have another flame on the show.
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  Speaker 3: Congraduates. It's a great school.
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  Speaker 1: It is a good school.
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  Speaker 2: It's one of those schools that every time I visit,
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  Speaker 2: I could just sense the Lord's presence hovering there. It
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  Speaker 2: made me want to go back to school. And I
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  Speaker 2: already have more alphabet soup after my name.
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  Speaker 1: Than most people. Different out, Doctor Lebtter.
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  Speaker 2: We have seen depression and suicide increase, especially among teens.
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  Speaker 1: What do you make of this trend?
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  Speaker 3: Well, we live in a dark world, and I'm in
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  Speaker 3: my seventh decade, and so I've seen a lot. I've
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  Speaker 3: pastored this church for our pastor now for forty years,
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  Speaker 3: and I've seen a lot when I started pastoring forty
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  Speaker 3: years ago. It's not the same. You don't cover the subjects.
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  Speaker 3: You cover the same subjects, but you don't cover them
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  Speaker 3: the same way. It's different because we live in a
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  Speaker 3: different world. We lived in a world where, well, I
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  Speaker 3: was raised in a world where it was assumed there
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  Speaker 3: was a god. Nobody, hardly anybody ever doubted it. Now
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  Speaker 3: we live in the world is that assumes there isn't one,
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  Speaker 3: and so you don't have point A to start with
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  Speaker 3: at that point. So you have to create that point a.
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  Speaker 3: And the cause of it the darkness. The only thing
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  Speaker 3: the world's the world's idea of how to get cope
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  Speaker 3: with the darkness is death. If you don't want this baby,
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  Speaker 3: death is possible if you don't want to live anymore.
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  Speaker 3: You can choose suicide if you don't. And it's almost
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  Speaker 3: the kids accept that. And when I sit down and
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  Speaker 3: I talk to them in a counseling manner, they they
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  Speaker 3: have friends who have they know of friends who know
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  Speaker 3: of somebody who has tried that and been successful at it.
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  Speaker 3: So it's an option for them where it used to
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  Speaker 3: be an option. So we have to take that option
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  Speaker 3: off the table and go for life to get up
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  Speaker 3: the next day. For a kid who is suffering from trauma.
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  Speaker 3: And if I could, if I could define trauma first,
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  Speaker 3: because with what I'm saying, will go with how I
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  Speaker 3: define it. Many people think that trauma is an event.
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  Speaker 3: There are traumatic events, and I don't know anybody that
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  Speaker 3: I've ever met who hasn't been through some sort of
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  Speaker 3: traumatic event. Everybody has. You might call it garden variety,
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  Speaker 3: not the clinical somebody has to go to a clinician for.
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  Speaker 3: But everybody suffered some sort of trauma, some event. But
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  Speaker 3: out of everybody who has suffered trauma. Doctor Phil Monroe,
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  Speaker 3: his statistic is, out of every three that suffer an event,
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  Speaker 3: only one suffers trauma. He says, because trauma is not
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  Speaker 3: the event, trauma is the chronic reaction to that event.
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  Speaker 3: So trauma is ongoing. An event can happen and then
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  Speaker 3: it can be in your past. You may never forget it,
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  Speaker 3: but it no longer identifies you, and it no longer
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  Speaker 3: points the direction that you should go whether life or death.
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  Speaker 3: And I think this has been true in the spiritual
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  Speaker 3: world all the way back to when Joshua said, God's
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  Speaker 3: calling you. You have a choice. Today, blessings are cursing
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  Speaker 3: life or death. I'm telling you to choose lie yes,
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  Speaker 3: And I think that's the same thing we have with
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  Speaker 3: the darkness that we see lying foul words. We live
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  Speaker 3: in a world that I knew nothing about when I
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  Speaker 3: was going to school. And our kids, we see our
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  Speaker 3: kids and they take that as a choice. So I
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  Speaker 3: have to take that option off the tables for them.
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  Speaker 2: Can you give an overview of symptoms of trauma?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah? I took those symptoms and they really fall into
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  Speaker 3: a pattern. I think the first emotion that somebody bases
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  Speaker 3: after a traumatic event is fear. That fear, the fear
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  Speaker 3: of loss. Mary and Martha they lost their brother, and
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  Speaker 3: that wasn't just a brother, that was financial security, that
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  Speaker 3: was their future life. In that culture, the male had
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  Speaker 3: all of the advantages the female did not. And with
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  Speaker 3: Mary and Martha, the anxiety surrounding Lazarus's dead and uncertainty
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  Speaker 3: and a future without him, And so fear comes in first.
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  Speaker 3: And then if you'd allow fear to stay very long,
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  Speaker 3: it turns into anxiety and anxiety. In the book I
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  Speaker 3: use Job. First three chapters of the book of Job
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  Speaker 3: are nothing but traumatic events that I hope nobody suffers,
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  Speaker 3: but he suffered them one ride after another. And then
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  Speaker 3: the next twenty seven chapters are him dealing with anxiety,
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  Speaker 3: and they use the word anguish in there. Anxiety calls anguish,
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  Speaker 3: but his anxiety. Then he was on a search to
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  Speaker 3: assuage that anxiety, and he had friends that gave him
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  Speaker 3: bad information. Yes, you know, there's always armshare counselors. Yes,
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  Speaker 3: be careful. I tell you your listeners, be careful of
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  Speaker 3: the armchair counselor. Some of them are really good, some
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  Speaker 3: of them aren't. And for Job, he had some armchair counselors.
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  Speaker 3: They paid for the bad advice they gave. And then
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  Speaker 3: God said, Okay, I'm going to assuage your anxiety. But
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  Speaker 3: fear will take you into anxiety. Anxiety will take you
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  Speaker 3: to a place. I call it mood swings, our moodiness.
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  Speaker 3: And in mood swings, you are not yourself. You are
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  Speaker 3: that emotion that you have swung to. Whether you've heard
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  Speaker 3: people say I don't even know them anymore, I don't
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  Speaker 3: even know who they are. Well, that's where probably where
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  Speaker 3: they are. They're in this mood swing. And I talk
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  Speaker 3: about Joseph's journey now that I had several to look at,
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  Speaker 3: but I took Joseph because he had a lot of
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  Speaker 3: mood swings and his brothers didn't like him, and he
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  Speaker 3: must have been a favorite of Dad, and the only
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  Speaker 3: way to get rid of him was death. And one decided, no,
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  Speaker 3: not death, let's just selling. Let's get some money for him.
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  Speaker 3: But his mood swing ruined his relationship with his brothers,
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  Speaker 3: caused them to traumatically put him in a traumatic situation.
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  Speaker 3: And we need to explore how feelings like feelings of
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  Speaker 3: superiority are that sort of thing can lead you to
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  Speaker 3: the next mood swings when you're not yourself, and then
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  Speaker 3: people will begin to reject you. And when they reject
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  Speaker 3: you because you're not the person that they first met,
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  Speaker 3: then you will go into isolation. So fearly anxiety, anxiety
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  Speaker 3: leads to mood swings. Mood swings will lead you into isolation.
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  Speaker 3: And I talk about Elijah isolation. He come to play
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  Speaker 3: in suicide. Well, he's one of our great heroes of
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  Speaker 3: the faith, and he was scared to death of Jezebel,
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  Speaker 3: and he ran with his servant until he couldn't run
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  Speaker 3: any longer, and he told his servants to stay here,
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  Speaker 3: and he ran another day, another day's journey, and was
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  Speaker 3: so exhausted he laid under a broom tree and with
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  Speaker 3: thoughts of I need to exit, and he told God,
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  Speaker 3: I'm no better than my father's poor fathers, I'm no
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  Speaker 3: better than my generation. Just take my life. Let's get
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  Speaker 3: out of here. That's where in darkness. As I said earlier,
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  Speaker 3: that's where we are. We go there because it's dark
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  Speaker 3: and so you and you know, doctor, that isolation brings
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  Speaker 3: the worst. It brings hopelessness, and it brings despair, loss
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  Speaker 3: of purpose. I counsel a lot of older folks now
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  Speaker 3: who go into what we call existential despair. They lose,
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  Speaker 3: they lose all purpose, They don't know why they exist.
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  Speaker 3: And that's what isolation does to desperation and hopelessness that
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  Speaker 3: you would take, you would do something to take your life.
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  Speaker 3: And when you get through that and you know, well
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  Speaker 3: that's not going to work, then the next thing it'll
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  Speaker 3: take you to is lying, denying truth. Peter did that
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  Speaker 3: there was nobody closer to Peter. And when he saw
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  Speaker 3: the traumatic event of who he hooked his star too
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  Speaker 3: for three years his wagon to that star and they
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  Speaker 3: took him off, they were going to kill him. It
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  Speaker 3: frightened him. He went through all these things we're talking about,
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  Speaker 3: and very quickly. And when he got there and they
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  Speaker 3: accused him, he denied christ Three times. He lied, and
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  Speaker 3: lying is you can almost understand it because lying helps
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  Speaker 3: you create a safe place, even though there's no such
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  Speaker 3: safe place. We have young kids who lie about who
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  Speaker 3: they are, their gender, They know, they deep down they know.
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  Speaker 3: And I know this is true because I've counseled a
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  Speaker 3: lot and I've seen a lot of them go there
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  Speaker 3: and come back and they they tell you one girl,
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  Speaker 3: the latest one. Her dad asked her, well, actually it
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  Speaker 3: was her. Grandpa asked her what were you? What were
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  Speaker 3: now that you're back over here, what were you thinking?
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  Speaker 3: And she said, Grandpa just grew up. That was her.
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  Speaker 3: She was deceived. She believed it. She had some traumatic
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  Speaker 3: things in her life and she needed a safe place,
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  Speaker 3: and lying she could create a character that you could
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  Speaker 3: not bring trauma to. So if I'm what she called,
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  Speaker 3: she said, call me LEVI. And since I won't say
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  Speaker 3: her name. Let's let's let's call her Jane Doe. But
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  Speaker 3: Jane Doe can suffer trauma, leave I can't.
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  Speaker 2: And so I think people of faith tend to be
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  Speaker 2: more reluctant to acknowledge their trauma.
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  Speaker 3: I do, I really do. I think so because we
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  Speaker 3: haven't imaged up hope. If I'm a Christian, I don't
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  Speaker 3: have problems. I think that's kind of a safe place. Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: that we that that we we try to create. So yeah,
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  Speaker 3: all of those that's where trauma leads. And that's what
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  Speaker 3: I've seen. Trauma in and of itself is not bad.
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  Speaker 3: You can learn a lot from opposition and from hurt,
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  Speaker 3: you can you can learn a lot. In fact, I
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  Speaker 3: don't know of much that's ever really happened with significance
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  Speaker 3: in the world that wasn't someplace opposed heavily opposition. And
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  Speaker 3: but some people just can't handle it, and so they
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  Speaker 3: the fear comes and then they get in this cycle.
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  Speaker 3: And you know, I've met a lot of pastor's kids.
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  Speaker 3: I'm a pastor's kid, and so I know what this is.
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  Speaker 3: Because that's a tough thing. You have an image to uphold.
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  Speaker 3: Nothing can be wrong in your family. So you got
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  Speaker 3: to deny that anything's wrong. When the truth is what heals.
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  Speaker 3: God does not heal deceit. He heals truth.
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  Speaker 1: That's so good. It is truth that heals.
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  Speaker 2: And it is for truth that Christ came to set
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  Speaker 2: us free to speak truth. And when he left, he
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  Speaker 2: gave us the Holy Spirit to remind us of truth. Friends,
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  Speaker 2: we're going to take a real short break for a
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  Speaker 2: word from our sponsor, but I want you to stick
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  Speaker 2: with us because doctor Ludbetter is going to share more
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  Speaker 2: about how to overcome the lasting damage of trauma through
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  Speaker 2: God's word.
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  Speaker 1: We'll be right back doctor Luedbetter. You right.
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  Speaker 2: You don't stumble across a happy life.
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  Speaker 1: You create it. How do you do this?
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  Speaker 3: You be intentional. I love that word. The one word
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  Speaker 3: for parents to pass the heritage to their children their
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  Speaker 3: faith is intentionality. Just do something. Don't think it can
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  Speaker 3: be done by accident. Be intentional. And when you're intentional,
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  Speaker 3: great things.
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  Speaker 2: Happen, absolutely and we are called to that. There are
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  Speaker 2: so many examples of that in scripture. When God says
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  Speaker 2: to take every thought captive, that's not going to happen
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  Speaker 2: unless we're intentional. When it says to love your neighbor.
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  Speaker 2: We have to be intentional when God tells us to forgive,
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  Speaker 2: that really requires intentionality. Will you talk for a moment
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  Speaker 2: about what you mean by the trauma of the unknown?
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  Speaker 3: Yes? And I try to explain it in a story
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  Speaker 3: in the book where the ancient cartographers when they were
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  Speaker 3: first drawing the maps mapping out the world, they didn't
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  Speaker 3: know where things were. And these explorers, God bless them,
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  Speaker 3: those courageous people who'd get on a ship would go
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  Speaker 3: into the waters and really not know what was what
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  Speaker 3: is out thereographers, because they didn't know what was out
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  Speaker 3: there on those maps, they would put here be dragons,
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  Speaker 3: here be fiery serpents, And anybody that picked up that map,
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  Speaker 3: you know, the photographers, they can't be wrong. So there
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  Speaker 3: must be dragons out there, and there must be fiery
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  Speaker 3: serpents out there. So they went to it didn't bother them.
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  Speaker 3: They went ahead to meet those dragons. Were there dragons
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  Speaker 3: out there? And hope they weren't? Were they fiery serpents? Nope,
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  Speaker 3: they were not. And I think people are traumatized by
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  Speaker 3: what is not isn't what they say. Ninety some percent
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  Speaker 3: of what you worried about never happens. Yes. The trauma
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  Speaker 3: of the unknown is I think the most guarded variety
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  Speaker 3: trauma you can have, and it's saying that it is.
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  Speaker 3: It doesn't matter how we get, we still do it.
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  Speaker 3: We still do it. When we were building this latest
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  Speaker 3: building here on the property, we have a private school,
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  Speaker 3: five six hundred students and we were building a building.
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  Speaker 3: Well at night, when I lay my head down trying
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  Speaker 3: to get some rest, all of those problems come in
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  Speaker 3: and then you think about what all is going to happen.
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  Speaker 3: It's it hasn't happened, but your mind tells you it's
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  Speaker 3: going to yes, and it keeps you away. That's the
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  Speaker 3: trauma of the unknown. How why do we allow what
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  Speaker 3: hasn't happened yet to cause trauma? And that's you've got
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  Speaker 3: to test for young people. You've got a final exam tomorrow.
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  Speaker 3: You don't sleep because of what you think might happen.
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  Speaker 3: It could happen, even to the point of the professor
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  Speaker 3: won't like your answer, and even though it's a right answer.
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  Speaker 3: And I've heard college students tell me that that's the
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  Speaker 3: trauma of the unknown, and it really creates something. Doctor Levy,
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  Speaker 3: I think her name is jan Levy Jane Levy, when
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  Speaker 3: I was writing this book, she had the best definition
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  Speaker 3: of trauma that I had ever that I ever read.
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  Speaker 3: This is how she defined it. She said, trauma fractures
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  Speaker 3: comprehension as a pebble shatters of when she the wound
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  Speaker 3: at the side of impact spreads across the field of vision,
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  Speaker 3: obscuring reality and challenging belief. And that is exactly what
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  Speaker 3: it does. Even those things that aren't happening to us
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  Speaker 3: do that. Yeah, that's the unknown.
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  Speaker 2: No, how does defining the faults of others actually define
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  Speaker 2: who we are?
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  Speaker 3: And you're certainly familiar with this, but maybe some of
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  Speaker 3: your listeners Aren't's called transference. Yes, we lay on people
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  Speaker 3: what we see them doing, and we're going to be
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  Speaker 3: critical of what they're doing, and we lay on them
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  Speaker 3: what we would do if we were in that situation.
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  Speaker 3: So then we accuse them already in our hearts and
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  Speaker 3: our minds of doing that because that's what we would do.
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  Speaker 3: And so when you criticize somebody like that, when you
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  Speaker 3: look at somebody and you start transferring, you don't have
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  Speaker 3: the you don't have fact, you just are guessing. Then
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  Speaker 3: what you're guessing is from your experience. So what you're
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  Speaker 3: telling me is who you are, not who they are,
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  Speaker 3: because they haven't done that yet, but you you see,
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  Speaker 3: that's where they're going to land. So that transference, it
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  Speaker 3: really identifies you, It sure does them.
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  Speaker 2: Why do we tend to withdraw from others, including those
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  Speaker 2: who love us, when we've been through trauma.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think we have answers, And I think the
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  Speaker 3: hardest thing when somebody really loves you and wants to know.
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  Speaker 3: Like this young girl that I was talking about her grandpa,
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  Speaker 3: he said, you may not know who you are, but
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  Speaker 3: I know who you are, So I'm not gonna lie
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  Speaker 3: to you. That's a difficult thing, but truth it heals,
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  Speaker 3: It will heal eventually everything.
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  Speaker 2: Friends, We're going to take a short break for a
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  Speaker 2: we wrap up this episode, I'm going to ask doctor
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  Speaker 2: Ledbetter to share a hope filled perspective about how to
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  Speaker 2: overcome the lasting damage of trauma.
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  Speaker 1: We'll be right back, doctor Ledbetter.
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  Speaker 2: For our listeners who perhaps when you gave some of
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  Speaker 2: the signs and symptoms of trauma, maybe they're resonating. Do
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  Speaker 2: you have any steps that they can begin today? To
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  Speaker 2: start overcoming the lasting damage of trauma.
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  Speaker 3: I would hope that that they would seek the spiritual part.
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  Speaker 3: I know with trauma we talk about the physical and
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  Speaker 3: the emotional and the social issues. Don't leave off the spiritual.
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  Speaker 3: Because there is a God who loves you, and he
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  Speaker 3: is a God of hope, so much so that he
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  Speaker 3: told Jeremiah, who wrote lamentations, and Jeremiah was a weeping
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  Speaker 3: prophet his life. If you're a weeping prophet, your life's
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  Speaker 3: not very good, if you know what I mean. And
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  Speaker 3: he told he told him this, He said, I have
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  Speaker 3: new mercies every morning for you. In the Hebrew, that
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  Speaker 3: word new is not how we would describe new. That
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  Speaker 3: in the Hebrew, that word new means unique. I have
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  Speaker 3: unique mercies only for you, and they're new every morning.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not giving you warmed over mercies. I'm giving you new,
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  Speaker 3: unique mercies that you're going to need for today. So
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  Speaker 3: whatever happened to you back here, forget it. But you've
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  Speaker 3: got new mercies today. You've got new ones, and they're
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  Speaker 3: unique for you. I don't think I could have more
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  Speaker 3: hope than that. When I wake up in the morning
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  Speaker 3: and say, thank you Lord, how are they getting those
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  Speaker 3: new unique mercy.
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  Speaker 2: How amazing to think, though, that they are unique to
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  Speaker 2: each one of us, and God knows us so intimately
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  Speaker 2: that he knows what we need and willingly provides it.
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  Speaker 2: We're getting close to the end of this episode, but
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  Speaker 2: I just wonder if you could offer a few thoughts
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  Speaker 2: on how we can utilize God's word to heal from
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  Speaker 2: the devastating impact of previous trauma.
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  Speaker 3: It is healing, it is, it is healing, and he comes,
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  Speaker 3: the Bible says, with healing in his wings. That's that's
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  Speaker 3: another Union saying. When the lady with an issue of
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  Speaker 3: blood and Jesus was passing, she touched the him of
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  Speaker 3: his garment. Well, the hymn of the garment of the
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  Speaker 3: priests were called wings, and there is and I don't
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  Speaker 3: have the prophecy, but that healing and the wings and
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  Speaker 3: the prophecy was fulfilled by that lady who reached out
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  Speaker 3: and she touched the hymn of his garment. She actually
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  Speaker 3: touched the wing of his garment. And there's power in
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  Speaker 3: that way. If you read the Hebrew, they use the
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  Speaker 3: word wing and they say there's healing and there's power
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  Speaker 3: in it. And she knew there was the word of
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  Speaker 3: Jesus is the word. He is the word. John One
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  Speaker 3: One tells us that he's the creator and nothing exists
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  Speaker 3: that exists that he didn't make, and so he has
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  Speaker 3: the healing, he has the power, and he says he
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  Speaker 3: gives us the most emotional, the most emotional. The word
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  Speaker 3: slips me what it is has come to me. He says,
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  Speaker 3: come to me invitation, the most emotional invitation. Come to me.
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  Speaker 3: If you're weary, if you're every lady, I'll give you rest.
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  Speaker 3: He didn't say I'll rescue you. He's not going to
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  Speaker 3: rescue you, but he's going to give you a place
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  Speaker 3: of rest. You don't need to lie to create that
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  Speaker 3: place of safety. He's going to give it to you.
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  Speaker 3: And so why would we go to science or why
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  Speaker 3: would we go anywhere else? First? Why wouldn't we go
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  Speaker 3: to the one that says I made everything. I've got
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  Speaker 3: unique mercies for you, and there's healing in my wings.
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  Speaker 3: And if you want healing, that's the first place to go.
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  Speaker 3: And that's real hope.
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  Speaker 2: That's the only place that hope is going to be
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  Speaker 2: sustained is through our heavenly Father and going to his word,
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  Speaker 2: doctor ledbetter. If a listener is resonating with our conversation today,
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  Speaker 2: What hope filled perspective do you want to leave them with?
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  Speaker 3: Be intentional about your relationship with Jesus. Read his word,
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  Speaker 3: talk to him. I like what Max Lucto said. He said,
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  Speaker 3: if you serve a God who would rather go to
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  Speaker 3: hell with you than to heaven without you. That is true,
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  Speaker 3: and I believe it is. Then why would we go
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  Speaker 3: anywhere else? Go first to the scriptures, and then we'll
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  Speaker 3: go to science, and then we'll go to education, and
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  Speaker 3: we'll go to the social and the emotional and all
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  Speaker 3: of that, but spiritual first.
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  Speaker 2: Would you be willing to pray for our listeners or
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  Speaker 2: viewers who are watching or listening today who have experienced
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  Speaker 2: some trauma and want exactly what you've been talking about.
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  Speaker 3: Indeed, Holy Father, you gave us such an emotional invitation
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  Speaker 3: to come to you, and you said if we do,
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  Speaker 3: you would not turn us away, that you would welcome us. Lord.
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  Speaker 3: I'm thinking of that person out there today that I've
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  Speaker 3: met so many times in my ministry who is either
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  Speaker 3: on the edge of darkness or one step more and
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  Speaker 3: they'll be there, and or they're seeking to find find something.
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  Speaker 3: I pray that you would draw them bothered and they
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  Speaker 3: would feel that drawing toward you. I pray they would
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  Speaker 3: have courage enough to take that step towards you and
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  Speaker 3: find healing. Nobody in this life, Father, has escaped the
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  Speaker 3: perils that come with a fallen world. We live in
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  Speaker 3: a fallen world. We live in a broken world. They'll
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  Speaker 3: be broken marriages, they'll be broken relationships, they'll be broken
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  Speaker 3: financial issues, they'll be even in and of ourselves, we
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  Speaker 3: are broken, and so many are. And for them, a father,
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  Speaker 3: I pray they will understand that you have a unique
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  Speaker 3: mercy for them today, that they will approach you, that
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  Speaker 3: they will seek it, that they'll be intentional. Just take
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  Speaker 3: the step. The second one will be easy. I pray
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  Speaker 3: you're not willing that any should perish. I pray that
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  Speaker 3: you would draw them they would listen, and healing and
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  Speaker 3: hope would come into their life even this day, perhaps
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  Speaker 3: even as we speak. And I ask it in the
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  Speaker 3: precious and the wonderful name of Jesus, Amen better.
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  Speaker 1: It's been a delight.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you for coming on the program to share your wisdom,
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  Speaker 2: your expertise, and hope for those who have endured trauma.
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  Speaker 3: Franks thank you for having me.
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  Speaker 1: It's been a delight. Friends. I hope that there was
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  Speaker 1: something in.
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  Speaker 2: Today's episode that encouraged you that has renewed your hope.
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  Speaker 2: As Doctor Ledbetter shared, trauma is going to happen, and
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  Speaker 2: sometimes we can't prevent it, but we can choose how
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  Speaker 2: to respond to it. And there is hope and healing
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  Speaker 2: in the presence of Jesus and his Holy Word. If
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  Speaker 2: you know someone who's struggling to overcome past trauma, would
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  Speaker 2: you consider sharing this episode of your hope Field perspective
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  Speaker 2: to give them a biblically based hope Field perspective. I
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  Speaker 2: look forward to bringing you another episode next week, but
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  Speaker 2: until then, it's my prayer for you that you have
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  Speaker 2: a hope Field week.
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  Speaker 4: Do you know that depression is now our greatest epidemic worldwide?
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  Speaker 4: It is greater than heart disease, cancer, and AIDS all
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  Speaker 4: put together.
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  Speaker 1: That is Dawn.
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  Speaker 4: Have you ever looked for resources? You will find that
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  Speaker 4: there is a scarcity of biblically based resources that identify
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  Speaker 4: the spiritual component that will help individuals cope with depression,
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  Speaker 4: or resources or their loved ones who are trying to
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  Speaker 4: support them throughout. Doctor Benkson's thirty year career, she has
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  Speaker 4: treated thousands of individuals with depression and has suffered from
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  Speaker 4: it herself. Out of her suffering, she has come to
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  Speaker 4: understand the great need to address the spiritual dimension of
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  Speaker 4: depression belong with the physiological and emotional components. In her
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  Speaker 4: award winning book, Hope Prevails, Insights from a doctor's personal
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  Speaker 4: journey through depression, she describes her experiences. She combines her
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  Speaker 4: and Christ Ministries, had to say about her book. It
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  Speaker 4: is refreshing to have a board certified neuropsychologist acknowledged the
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  Speaker 4: spiritual component of depression, but it is even more impressive
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  Speaker 4: that doctor Benkson be willing to share her own story
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  Speaker 4: through the fog of despair. Her personal insights are invaluable
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  Speaker 4: for those who are struggling with what is often described
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  Speaker 4: as the common cold of mental illness. Thank you for
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