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Why Do Successful Women Still Struggle With Self-Confidence? - Ep. 172 w/ Katrina Cross-Daniels · Black Fridays: Business Growth for Entrepreneurs, Creators & Professionals

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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, so boot war photography is a more intimate photography for women who is not I don't do it a lot of people have a misconception Up boot war when they think about the name they hear like provocative and all of that which you can be But I do it more classy and just more empowering for women so
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[SPEAKER_03]: women who are ready to just embrace their strength and beauty within themselves.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They may have went through something like I did as a divorce and just don't feel the best about yourself and you want to feel get uplifted.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So it's more where I let women tap into their inner strength and just show them how beautiful they are.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And now that I got that business out of the way, I want to introduce you to someone who is ensuring that all of our clients have lasting memories that are powerful and impactful and also is a huge proponent for women empowerment, Miss Katrina Cross Daniels, welcome
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[SPEAKER_03]: I am fine.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Thank you for having me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you for pulling up to the podcast.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I've been waiting on my turn and now it's here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So not that we actually finally have you here in the building.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You are a photographer, creative entrepreneur.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you've been doing so for well over a decade.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I know that you're a preferred medium of creativity is photography.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that you have a love and a passion for that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Could you tell us when did that happen for you when did you pick up that camera and start creating and what was that experience like?
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[SPEAKER_03]: I would say that experience started a long time ago.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I was always that family member, it always had a camera.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So it no matter what family it was, everybody knew Katrina's gonna have her camera.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So let's take some photos.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I would then say it kind of turned on when my kids started playing sports in school.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I would go to the games and then capture all the football, basketball, and then other parents started
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[SPEAKER_03]: But that was still more like amateur, hobbies, type of photography, and then they just can't transpire from there.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Do you want to know how it went on to the more professional side of things?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So where were you in life when you started to take it more seriously?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because I know that you're full-time entrepreneur in this space.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So when did you start taking it more seriously before you made that full pivot?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Um, I was working in a corporate job.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I was, um, working at the casino, actually.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Um, I was there for, I opened up the casinos.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I started a Greek town casino, then I went over to in GM.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And so being in a corporate world, um, all of the 24 hours a day type of job, it was just like, I was kind of over it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, though I was there quite a while, my photography started to pick up a little bit more and I'm like, okay, let me figure out how I can do my photography more permanently.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So when I transferred over to MGM, I ended up being in a car accident and I ended up being off work on a medical and I think I just never went back to the casino and I just started doing my
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[SPEAKER_00]: And what was that transition like for you in terms of you decide you basically decide you wasn't going back to casino, but then like how did you start to gain traction with photography in terms of getting booking people to getting paid and make some bills not that stuff with pay.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I would say that happened because if someone asked me to just do a wedding, I had never shot a wedding before and someone's like, hey, can you do my wedding?
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I was like, are you sure you want me to do your wedding?
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[SPEAKER_03]: And if like, I think you could do it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I was like, okay, but don't hold me accountable for anything that goes wrong.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And a couple of things, do you go wrong at that wedding?
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[SPEAKER_03]: But from that point, I realized that I liked the feeling of being at a wedding.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I liked those, those love moments, capturing people, and all of the on-the-go-type of things, like it was fast-paced.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I had a joint in it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And till I didn't, I mean, I still shoot weddings,
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[SPEAKER_03]: unexpected divorce during this time of wedding season and it kind of like spiraling into a downside of photography like, you know, I had to go shoot a wedding maybe like four days after I realized that my marriage was ending
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[SPEAKER_03]: And just being able to go and see someone talk about their love story and we're so in love and you're just my person and I'm like crumbling inside like it was kind of a heart peel for me to swallow.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But that kind of lit me into some other areas of my photography, so but that's how we kind of smoothed over from doing it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: As a hobby to professional and then I jump full of force until it got you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and what your photography business could you tell us more about the services that you that you offer?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I'm not only do I do wedding photography, I do women empowerment, shoes I do blue dwarf photography, I do high school seniors and just regular portraits like head shots and branding.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And what is blue war like could you I feel like I'm understanding but like I don't I don't fully understand.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, so bootware photography is a more intimate photography for women who is not I don't do it a lot of people have a misconception of bootware when they think about the name they hear like provocative and all of that, which it can be, but I do it more classy and just more empowering for women.
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[SPEAKER_03]: women who are ready to just embrace their strength and beauty within themselves, they may have went through something like I did as a divorce and just don't feel the best about yourself and you want to feel get uplifted.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So it's more where I let women tap into their inner strength and just show them how beautiful they are.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I think that that's super dope because I know that you do focus on that at the one of your key offerings and at the avenue of women empowerment, but to play devil's advocate, what would you say to folks who like you just want to show your body on the internet or have that type of mindset in terms of those types of those style of shoots?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Um, I would say that there is a group of people who feel like that for sure, um, even men who don't want their women to have these shoes because of thinking like that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, I don't want my women showing her stuff like that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Um, but what it is is that I'll side of, um,
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's not like the IG model, like I just want to get on there and pose for IG and have myself out there.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It is more of a coming into yourself, like I may have had all these different flaws about me, which I did for myself.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I look at myself and I used to say, oh, my thighs are too big.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Or this about me.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't like my arms and just being able to have a moment where I'm embracing all of that and saying no, this is me this how I am today and I want to make sure that I accept me for who I am and being able to show that and and
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[SPEAKER_03]: post images like that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's just empowering for other women who may be going through the same type of thing.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I don't look at it as like, oh, you just want to show yourself, um, social media.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I look at it as like not when they help other women come out of their cocoon that they're in as well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I know how I am during photo shoots.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I can only imagine during the photo shoot like that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You, I'm sure you have to do a lot of coaching on the spot.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So how do you kind of walk women through like, you know, we gonna do this, we're gonna do exercise.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You make them feel their best in the moment.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that you can be able to capture the essence of the situation.
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[SPEAKER_03]: is definitely a safe zone.
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[SPEAKER_03]: First, this type of photography services is where everyone who walks to your door is not confident.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They don't feel the best and you have to be able to talk to women to make them feel comfortable with you first.
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[SPEAKER_03]: If they're not comfortable with you as the photographer,
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[SPEAKER_03]: So being able to say, like, hey, this is a safe space, I am going to help you.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You don't have to know how to do all the posing.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm a guy, you, I'm going to make sure that I'm sure her images throughout the session.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So she can see for herself that she's doing a great job.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So it's things like that that I think will help coast that situation to make it a lot better.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Got you and we gonna get more into your background and photography and other things that you got going on, but first I got to introduce my favorite part of Black Friday Okay, with the freestyle Fridays
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, Katrina, I hope you, you hope you ready to wrap, show us your expertise, your flow.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You guys borrow it?
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[SPEAKER_00]: You have some borrowers for us?
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't have much.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's a little cold outside right now, so I would be like, it's so cold in the deep.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's one of my favorite things I like to tell people because I talk to a lot of entrepreneurs They don't live here in Detroit because you do a lot of zooms and a lot of conferences I go to and I always be like, it's so cold in the deez So everybody be saying that So that's why frees that all right Okay, all right So I can't let you just go with that so I got to ask you some some rapper fire questions if that's cool That's cool.
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[SPEAKER_03]: All right, so what is your favorite color black and navy blue
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[SPEAKER_00]: black and navy blue.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, perfect.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you, so you mentioned, you talked to entrepreneurs who are not from Michigan or Detroit, but if you got a chance to take one of them around the city, what are some of the things that you would do with them for a day if you had 24 hours.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Um, I was showed them some of our highlights of how our city of downtown Detroit is growing.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Um, so just going down to the river walk.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Um, I will show them that going to like some of the casino areas.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Um, I don't do a whole lot of other things, but probably that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And east out of west side.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Ooh.
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[UNKNOWN]: Um.
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[SPEAKER_03]: At this point of my life, I'm afraid to say east side.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, if that were you spent most of your time or more time?
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm more east, group on the west as a younger adult, but east side is where I normally are.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's where I lie.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, fair enough.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you have a favorite place you like to travel?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Um, traveling.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I travel a lot.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It probably,
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I loved when I went to Hawaii.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I would like to go back because I was very sick when I went.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I would say Hawaii.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you travel for work or more leisure or more work?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So are you a, are you international, which are your work?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I am.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I did come on.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I am.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then last but not least, all right, is there a book or a podcast that you listen to right now or that you would recommend to
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm a book.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I would probably have to say, um, what's the?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Hmm.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I love building a story brand.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That book, um, it kind of helps you kind of coast through making your website and everything, kind of layout, um, perfectly so I like the story brand.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, who, who was that by?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Um, I knew he's going to have to be that next.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I just do a blank, um, I have to come back to them.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But I think it's
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[SPEAKER_03]: Michael, after research it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, well, uh, and it is.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then Google it, one another.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So appreciate you for partaking and free style Friday.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you for engaging in the randomness.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so now, I would love for you to tell us about KCD creative studios and how did that come about our, I remember.
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[SPEAKER_00]: early on in terms of meeting you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think we talked to it's been about a year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You had mentioned that you had opened up the space in the studio and so we'll love for you to be able to let the audience know what the studio is about and how it came about.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, so as part of my brands and my brand is I'm Katrina of Katrina Cross photography and also have KCD creative studios.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So the studio came about not only for myself because I needed a space to be able to shoot my creative work, but as a photographer, I realized that a lot of photographers and creatives don't have a space to shoot.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I wanted to be able to create like a creative hub where people other creatives can use the space to not only do their photography but for like videographers, content creators, people who holds workshops and classes to have this space that they can also call their own.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I offer, you know, memberships that you can come in and have space that you have to say is Katrina Space.
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[SPEAKER_03]: No, it's our space.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So that's how it came about is that just giving creative a pathway to have something for themselves.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And how long have you been doing your photography business before you decide to open up the studio?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Um, I've probably had my space for about seven years.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I had a studio before about three years ago.
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[SPEAKER_03]: No, it actually was doing a pandemic during the pandemic.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I ended up leaving my studio space.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And then I had another one in Southfield, Michigan.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So, but this one here is now the first creative hub space that I have.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I guess it's been like 19 years.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, what does it take?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because you've had multiple studios at this point.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What does it take for somebody to get their own space and be able to mold it in a way that would be helpful for their business and for you for other creatives as well?
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[SPEAKER_03]: What would it take for them to get their own space?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so like what's the steps?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like how do you how do you find the space?
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[SPEAKER_00]: How do you finance the space?
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[SPEAKER_00]: How do you do it all?
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's a lot.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I would say, you know, just taking your time to look around and figure out how much space do you need.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The first couple spaces I had was just enough space.
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[SPEAKER_03]: This space is a little bit too much space.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Sometimes you don't need too much, unless you plan it on doing other things, which for me it was creating a creative hub for other people.
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[SPEAKER_03]: but I will say just knowing exactly like how much space do you need, what your budget is to pay for this because it is an expense that comes out of everything.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So when you got your own personal expenses and then you got to use business expenses.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So just making sure that can your business
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, kind of make sure that you can pay for these things.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Outside of that, like, just realizing like, what do you need in the space?
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I would say before you even need this, start planning for it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, don't wait till you're like, so like, you're ready to get it to now start planning.
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[SPEAKER_03]: No, so you start picking up like little things.
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[SPEAKER_03]: If you already know in the back of your mind, I want to have a space one day.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, so what does it take?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Get your financials in order.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Um, take classes, find you a mentor for anything of your businesses.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think a mentor is great.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And just start that planning process because it ain't no joke.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's not as easy as people make it seem.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And far as like looking for resources for funding, um, I'm a big component of like apply for these grants out here.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's a lot of grants, um, and a lot of times people don't get grants because they don't apply for them.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I would say definitely do that and tap into the resources that the City of Detroit offer.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I was just awarded Motor City Match.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Thank you.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm sorry.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just a recent order to get the space that you went and you got Motor City.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Since I got the space I applied for Motor City Match,
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[SPEAKER_03]: but they have different levels to Motor City match so you can you can apply before you even get a space and do different tracks that they have.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So if you don't even have a space yet you just want to have an idea they have a track for that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: If you already know you own a how a designer layout to be they have a track for that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: you know, I went to the cash track because I already had a space.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So now mine is for like equipment and furniture.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So we're we're at that place now where I'm about to get the funding for that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Very nice.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And how how did that process go for you for Motor City Match?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, it was long, daunting.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, you have to be in it for the long run to go through motors in the match.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It is time consuming, but it is well worth the weight.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So you just got to be diligent and do what you got to do and answer every question that they actually fill out every form, turning every document and there's some documents this required.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So a lot of things when I tell people like get prepared now is like get prepared now.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like make sure you know what a business plan is, you know, what a cash flow is, a balance statement and all of those type of things.
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[SPEAKER_03]: start working on that stuff now.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So when you're ready for it, you have all the things.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: For sure.
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[SPEAKER_00]: For sure.
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[SPEAKER_00]: A lot of Jim is being dropped.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What was it like having your own space in terms of being able to curate a creative studio for yourself and other people?
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[SPEAKER_00]: What's that been like for you?
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[SPEAKER_00]: What's that feeling like?
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[SPEAKER_03]: The feeling is great, so this is a little mix because at one point where it's your space and you can do whatever you want to do and I have a lot of ideas for myself, but I also have to now think
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[SPEAKER_03]: but I'm also doing it for other people too.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I can't just put all of what I want.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, what do the people want as well?
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I have a few members now, and they like, what can we do this or can we get this?
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[SPEAKER_03]: And some things I'm like, oh, I don't really like that, but I also stop and think like,
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[SPEAKER_03]: But I want them to feel like this space is theirs as well too, so you have to like just reconsider some things that is not just for you, but it feels nice to be able to know that you have a space that others can also enjoy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And what are some of the people who, let me take a step back?
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[SPEAKER_00]: What would it take for someone who might be interested in joining the studio or leveraging the studio?
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[SPEAKER_00]: What type of options do you have available for people to join the collective so speak?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Um, the couple options I have is I have for you can do if you don't really think you need a space for a lot.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You just want to dab win it a little bit, you know, you can do hourly rentals with me.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Um, but the membership, I think it's where you get the better bang for your buck because you're getting it more at a discount rate.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, yeah, you may be obligated, like, I have a couple different plans where you can pay like,
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[SPEAKER_03]: $250 a month for x amount of hours you know for the month or you can pay $500 and you get more hours I have one lower membership this like a hundred dollars a month but what that is is that you pay this hundred dollars a month but you'll be able to when you're ready to rent hourly you get it at a discount rate then what the regular hourly rate is okay
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, how did you how did you come up with that price because you know, I'm I'm curious I can tell you you got your business stuff together So I'm trying to see if I can get a little bit of coaching from you in terms of like how did you come up with that price and those tears in terms of where people can't enter the space it
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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, one of them is I did a poll.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I asked the people like, what did they need?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Because when I first got the space, I was trying to give them like more than that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And what I found out is that people didn't need all of these hours that I was trying to get.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And they were like, well, I'm only going to use it, you know, like five or six hours.
21:45
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, so just listening to what the need was and that's how I help, you know, determine it.
21:52
[SPEAKER_03]: So a lot of times we have to like just go right to the people and see what they what they need.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And then I also found it some people, the hourly, I mean, the monthly, like 250 or 500, maybe I've been just a little attached stretch for them to commit to because it is a monthly commitment like on autopay, which is great for the people that's doing it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Also having this lower entry fee, but it also still gets you to be able to get a discount when you're ready for the hourly.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, I found that there was a need for that as well.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I just gave a little bit of everything.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
22:30
[SPEAKER_00]: Got you.
22:31
[SPEAKER_00]: And how was the most popular way that people use the space right now?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Is it other fellow photographers like yourself or are people doing video and
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[SPEAKER_03]: I've actually had a lot of different things, but I would say photographers for sure is probably number one.
22:51
[SPEAKER_03]: Outside of that, I've had workshops, people have written at the space for workshops.
22:56
[SPEAKER_03]: I've had somebody read the space and did a micro wedding, you know, in the space, I've had book signings in the space.
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[SPEAKER_03]: People have done it and did vendor pop-ups, what they had the vendor tables and so they did vendor stuff.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I also have like some models, so they've used the space for their rehearsal and their practices, so yeah, for like one way fashion shows.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
23:25
[SPEAKER_00]: What's been the biggest event or activation there today?
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[SPEAKER_03]: The biggest one has probably been it was a family reunion.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They had their, it was a meet and greet of the family union was held there and also had hustle nights too.
23:44
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, how have you doing hustle nights?
23:46
[SPEAKER_00]: There's a few hustle lines.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't like to earn yet.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Um, actually, it was, it do need to come back because it happened twice and people was like, oh, you're gonna do this again and I think I need to get people again with their accent for us.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, get the people what they want.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that day ago, rather well, I had some instructors that came in, they know like all the hustles and they were, you know, showing them the hustles, so that went over really well.
24:14
[SPEAKER_00]: And how often are you doing your own events like that in the space?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know you say like the hustle class you got to consider and bring it back, but in terms of like, or do you do your own.
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[SPEAKER_00]: How often are you doing your own activations versus like people written in the space?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Um, I would say I've normally do like the a monthly creative meetup.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's called the creative exchange.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, so, um, where every month, but during the winter time, this last few months, I kind of like died off on it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It was just a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We had a call winner this year.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I kind of paused on it, but like, um, I have one coming up and so it'll be back to the monthly where it's just like creative all over the city can come together and not just photographers.
24:55
[SPEAKER_03]: It's opened up to speakers, educators, podcasters, whoever want to come and we just kind of network, you know, I've been having like mobile bar people come there and like set up.
25:07
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm actually looking for somebody to come in with some mobile massage chairs.
25:10
[SPEAKER_03]: So, okay.
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[SPEAKER_03]: If you're out there, you have a mobile massage share business hit me up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So you might be able to network, get a little lit, and get a massage.
25:18
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I want that to happen because I feel like as entrepreneurs and solo entrepreneurs, like we do everything for everybody else in our time.
25:26
[SPEAKER_03]: It's always so busy that we don't take time for ourselves.
25:29
[SPEAKER_03]: So just having that moment to unwind with other business owners and relax a bit.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It'll just be great.
25:36
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
25:37
[SPEAKER_00]: I agree.
25:38
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
25:39
[SPEAKER_00]: With the entrepreneurs that you come across business owners so forth in the line of work that you do, which are photography, could you talk to why headshots and like keeping your photos and images updated for your business is important.
25:52
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's something that a lot of people kind of like to ask or miss out on.
25:56
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I think it's very important because you never know when the next call is going to come that you need to produce this head shot to To solidify who you are as a business owner and when all you can do is turn in as a cell phone shot.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It doesn't go well, like I say cell phone photos don't convert to business.
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[SPEAKER_03]: People they actually, you can have a pretty cell phone shop, but when you have another business looking at you, they don't always take you serious.
26:28
[SPEAKER_03]: So being able to show up as a professional that you are,
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[SPEAKER_03]: having that type of imagery professional is very, very important.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So, and not only just a headshot, but having a whole branding session, meaning like, highlight you in your business or just having those different type of business style photos, you know, just so you can lay out your website and any other thing that you're doing.
26:52
[SPEAKER_00]: How often should we be taking a minimum headshots?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know like a brand
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[SPEAKER_03]: Um, I think a hair shot can be done every month.
27:06
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, I mean, people have changed their looks often.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Um, so you have to think about it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: If you take a hair shot today and especially for women, you didn't change your hair up five, six different times and you send it out to his shot and sometimes you'll be like, well, who's that?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, they don't even recognize it is even you.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So sometimes you can change a hair shot up as you change in your look.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But if that's not realistic for you, I would think at least every other month, you know, two to three months at the, you know, it's good.
27:38
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
27:38
[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't think it would be that often.
27:40
[SPEAKER_00]: I think so.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I hate shots.
27:42
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, because like what happens like, even for me right now, um, and us as professional, sometimes we need to, you know, talk what we, you know, preach what we talking about as well.
27:54
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
27:54
[SPEAKER_03]: And make sure that we're getting our head shots done.
27:57
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, every time I sit out of his shot for like a speaking engagement or if I'm, you know, I travel a lot, you know, I do other, um,
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[SPEAKER_03]: conferences and sometimes I feel I'd be feeling like day I'm sitting out the same headshot.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I love the fact that I have multiple headshots.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So everything that I advertise is not always looking like it's the same, you know, advertisement.
28:21
[SPEAKER_03]: People get confused then because I've got confused with myself like day and I'm using that same photo over and over again.
28:28
[SPEAKER_03]: It's
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[SPEAKER_00]: and PSA for all the people out there that's still using their high school and baby pictures for their Facebook profiles.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Go see you again.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So she can get you together and get you some new headshots.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Absolutely.
28:46
[SPEAKER_03]: I remember I just finished a corehort because I'm always educating myself as well.
28:51
[SPEAKER_03]: So I get involved in a lot of things around the cities and different programs and you know, just have being able to have our graduation and they show all of our photos coming across the screen.
29:02
[SPEAKER_03]: I remember one of the latest light.
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[SPEAKER_03]: There, everybody photos look nice, but mine, you know, because she didn't have a professional photo.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And that's what I'm saying.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, in those moments, you just want to be able to represent your brand, you know, professional.
29:19
[SPEAKER_00]: Speaking of which, you have an initiative where you do empowerment, photo sessions with women.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I believe it's on an annual basis where you have women come to a specific location and then do their headshots and do kind of like empowerment.
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[SPEAKER_00]: like they do like empowerment poses or things like that.
29:39
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm trying to recall it from the time we talked about it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I have um so even it's like a spin off from my bootwater photography.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's called the I am worthy.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I have an initiative called the I am worthy initiative where
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[SPEAKER_03]: In that position, the women not only come and take these beautiful portraits, but we also videotape them and record them telling their stories in their wise, because some of them are definitely overcoming big hurdles in their lives, and some of them have never even shared it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They're talking about it for the first time.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I've just been able to capture them and put those snippets of their stories on YouTube.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And these are women who are ready to share their stories.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They're ready to help other women be able to recognize that you are worthy as well to in deserving of whatever they are.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Some of them are overcome in divorce.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Some of them are overcome in like health challenges.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They are cancer survivors.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Um, and then just other like daily life battles that they've overcome and I also deal with women who are who don't go through that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's just a milestone for them.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They just turn in 50 and they want to, you know, be celebrated.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I kind of, you know, group it all in under one umbrella, but it's called the I am worthy initiative.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Got you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And how many of these have you done so far?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, how many individual sessions I've done?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I guess, are they group sessions or do you have when they came?
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[SPEAKER_03]: They're individual sessions.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Everybody has their own turn, their own story, their own journey, what happens is that once a year, I bring all the women back together and I have like an event where I kind of highlight the women who went through the ironworthy process.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And how long have you been doing the ironware
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[SPEAKER_03]: This is actually your three for that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So third year.
31:44
[SPEAKER_00]: nice.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And for you, I definitely want to ask because it's women empowerment month and I know that you're a big proponent for women's empowerment.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Why is it important to you?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because I think about a lot of women or people in generous like I got my own problems.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I got all my own stuff to deal with.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let them own, you know, trying to encourage and uplift other people.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So for you, why was it important to be able to take that mantle to say, I want to incorporate that into my work
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's definitely, um, a lot when we all deal with our own challenges and our own struggles in life, but I feel like as a photographer who has the ability to show people how I can see them when they don't see themselves that way, that it's kind of like my job and my duty to do that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I've been here.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I've been in their shoes.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I walk that walk.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I know what it's like to feel not valued and just not at your best.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And so I think just when I realized how I felt going through that and how when I had my own boot war experience and how I walked away from that experience feeling like, well that's me.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, I did that when I didn't think in my head.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I can ever
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[SPEAKER_03]: Um, looked like that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I didn't think that that was beautiful and all of that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I just felt it was, it's my duty right now to help other women understand that, you know, you deserve this as well.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What's the most powerful moment you've had during this session?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, um, I can't talk about her enough and she know I tell her story all the time, but I think most of their stories have been um, beautiful and empowering, but to have um, a lady who is, you know, 50 years old or so, and has never taken professional photos.
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[SPEAKER_03]: She's ran for them all her life because as a child,
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[SPEAKER_03]: she was told by her family how ugly she was.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And so that kind of stuck with her all her adult life.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So she ran from the camera.
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[SPEAKER_03]: She never wanted to be in front of a camera until she came across me.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And she talked that she felt comfortable enough to share her story with me and to have this session.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And afterwards, just hearing her say how beautiful she felt and how she would do this again.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And she's never done it her whole adult life.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I would think that that was very impactful for me.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And actually, if she wanted people seeing you every two to three months, or
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[SPEAKER_03]: her headshot, you know, not for her shot, but she has definitely been a very big supporter of what it is that I do.
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[SPEAKER_03]: She has come out with me to events when I needed to talk about, you know, what it is that I do and she's just like a client, you know, but to be able to have a client that truly believes in you and supports you is very impactful in itself.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: definitely.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure by this point, you probably have a community of women that might have stories similar to that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and the thing about a lot of women, when they hear about food wire because of all of the...
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[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, the, was the word, the perceptions.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and the negative, you know, I look, when they hear boot war because a lot of times people have made boot war look dirty, filthy, nasty, you know, those type of things, and I did a twist on boot war.
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[SPEAKER_03]: My blue wire is nothing like that, it's very classy, it's very beautiful, so I think just having women who think like, oh no, I don't think I can do that, you know, so I'm trying to break those barriers, let women know, it's not what you think, and then once they have the session with me, they'd be like, oh, this was fun, or this was nice, or I really, I'm glad that I came that I did this, so I just gotta get more women to understand, and I'm really trying to
35:57
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, target in on the business professional women because they're the main ones who are like the bosses out here and they really think that I couldn't do that because I'm a director or I'm this and it's like, but you're still a woman.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You still need to embrace who you are and your feminine side and just be able to enjoy who you are as a woman.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I think as I continue to tap into that market, let all the other women see, I think more of them will come aboard.
36:28
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: How are you working to break down those barriers to get them to come over to that side of thinking?
36:35
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm just continue to talk about Boudoir photography because a lot of people just don't know about Boudoir photography and a lot of my, I've done a lot of pitch competitions and even though I always get to the point where I get into like the final stage of it, but I'm not like winning the pitch competition about the Boudoir because it's a new thing and people
36:57
[SPEAKER_03]: They're curious about it, but they just got to hear a little bit more about it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I just got to continue to break down the barriers, break down the doors, let people know that this is what I do, and that I am a safe space for them.
37:09
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, and speaking of pitch competitions, you I've always
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[SPEAKER_00]: seeing you as several events or see or hear your name a part of different events and opportunities resource throughout the city so let's talk about getting to the money and making some money through some of these resources that's available.
37:28
[SPEAKER_00]: I know that you have a grant teaching and workshop coming up but
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[SPEAKER_00]: want to know what's your approach to finding these resources for finances and or I know it's not always money but resources in general, what's your process to find them and then what's your approach to going after those because like you said, even getting to the finals, that's a accomplishment in yourself.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I mean, you know, they saw a lot of value on what it is that you have to present.
37:52
[SPEAKER_00]: So how do you approach these things to actually to put yourself in the best position to get them?
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[SPEAKER_03]: get in the room.
38:00
[SPEAKER_03]: That is one of the the biggest thing and I made my this last past year, 2025 especially going through the Motor City Match process with my studio.
38:10
[SPEAKER_03]: I couldn't really work in my studio a lot while I was going through that process.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I made sure that I was a part of everything that I had to ban with to be a part of.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like every court court, every program, and just getting in the room because what I realized is that it's not just about who you know, it's about who knows you as well.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Being a part of women organizations, like I'm a part of wealth and best turn network.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And that women's group is always handing out resources.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, letting people know what they know about, what's coming, what to be ready and prepared to apply for.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I think just being able to put yourself in a position that you are getting in the rooms and you're hearing about these opportunities.
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[SPEAKER_03]: a lot of times when people just didn't know I've been entrepreneur for quite a while and for years back, I had no idea that these opportunities is right here in the city of Detroit.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And again, when I say I talk to a lot of people who live in different states, you know, in the genre that I mean, I'm a part of a lot of things is, you know, in other areas, but they always tell me like,
39:23
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, like you doing this, like you got that like, we don't have that here where we live.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm like, what, the way I'm hearing about it, now in the city of Detroit, I would assume that it was everywhere.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But some people are saying, no, they don't have these opportunities.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So we're right here in the city, get out, get in the rooms on MBBA, operations school, you know, all of these things, they have programs that you can be a part of and then we'll help you get to the next level.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, are you a operation school grant?
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[SPEAKER_00]: What year did you do it?
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[SPEAKER_03]: I actually I just did it like Actually just went through them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm a previous this most recent cohort the one before that, okay?
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[SPEAKER_03]: They came out they they merged with Velocity okay Organization McComb and I did it through them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, okay.
40:11
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah
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[SPEAKER_00]: what was your experience like I love mine so that I'm always curious when I meet other old school grads.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I can't say anything bad about it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I love the opportunity.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I love the the people that's running it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I love Rachel.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I love Stacey.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I love Alicia.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like all of them did such an amazing job bringing on great experts and leaders to help us throughout our program that I just can't thank them enough and just being able to go from that program to
40:40
[SPEAKER_03]: I finished that one and then they had another opportunity of a new cohort today started the forward program.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I just went through that and my mind is like, hey, if you give me another opportunity, yep, I'm going to be a part of that one too.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I can just continue to love the growth that I'm doing with these businesses.
40:59
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
41:00
[SPEAKER_00]: And I know you mentioned that you are continuous learner.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So always taking out most recent operation school experience.
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[SPEAKER_00]: How is it
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[SPEAKER_03]: Um, I would think the, the operations part of it, like when she's the operation school and they get into the whole operations part of your business because a lot of times we jump into our businesses and we just jump in and just be hustling.
41:22
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
41:22
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, and we, we get by too, you know, a lot of it, but our back in.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You can get, you can get, you can get, you can get, you can.
41:30
[SPEAKER_00]: Nice.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's sustainable.
41:31
[SPEAKER_03]: That's exactly exactly.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And that's the thing of it, like our back
41:39
[SPEAKER_03]: you know, so being able to understand like all the things that you really should have been doing before you even jumped out there.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I think that it can help, you know, solidify those things.
41:51
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
41:53
[SPEAKER_00]: And so what do you see that's next on the horizon for you and the business?
41:57
[SPEAKER_00]: What do you see in your your crystal ball for as you continue to elevate?
42:02
[SPEAKER_03]: I see a couple of things.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm trying to get myself in position for the scale and for the financial scale.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, positioning myself because yeah, grants is great and I love like all the grants that I've received so far, but also know that I may have to get more into like the other business like loans and stuff too.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Um, so just tapping into that and making sure that I am in position with my personal finances and my business finances to be able to do those type of things.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Um, I would love to, what next on the horizon for me at the studio is preparing myself for my photography school.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I do want to have the photography school situated where I can teach others, I have people adults and youth that are looking in ready to learn photography so I want to be able to do that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: and when is when can people expect that to roll out this summer um so hopefully like before the summer comes I have all the information available on how to apply on for it but definitely this summer is going to be where the first boot camp the first roll out is going to happen very nice and you also do on a great great right now workshop
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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, it's a grant revenue webinar is called your first grant may simple like just letting people know like how to get in position to start applying for these grants.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not necessarily saying like I'm going to help you like write grants, but like what you need to have in place to get yourself prepared.
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[SPEAKER_03]: for these grants and I have like a free checklist that I can probably even give you the link you can add that to your So our notes and everything, but yeah, so it's a checklist and then I have these webinars.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm gonna be doing ongoing Perfect and then our the web is a cost for webinars.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They free how do that work?
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[SPEAKER_03]: So the webinar is $20 to come on to the webinar and the checklist is free.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And get the free checklist.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Perfect.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And laughing at least, do you have any...
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[SPEAKER_00]: part in wisdom that you can give to anyone who's interested in.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Actually, no, I was going to say, well, let's see if we can do both.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's see if we can both.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Any part in wisdom for people who for women who want to instill more confidence into their daily lives.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Until their daily lives, um,
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[SPEAKER_03]: I would say, yeah, the wisdom that I would say for women is get in front of a mirror tell yourself that you are deserving, you are beautiful, you are worthy of all of the things that you need in your life.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think once we tell ourselves enough, we start believing it, because a lot of times we don't have this because we just don't believe it in ourselves.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Make sure you surround yourself with a great networking circle of positive people because we need that not only for our personal sales as women, but even in our businesses.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now what about people who may have that entrepreneurial idea, but they took the first step to actually get it going.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What advice would you have for them?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Somebody who is seasoned in this game at this point.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Did they ready to start a business?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, or did you got that?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but you won't, you won't take the step to do it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I will say, I'm a good advocate of finding a mentor.
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[SPEAKER_03]: uh, mentors, and only because like when I first started, I looked around for a mentor.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I was begging for a mentor.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I only had one person, especially as a photographer.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like I wanted to learn how to do photography.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I wanted to shadow.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I wanted to just do whatever it was.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It only won photographer and she is amazing.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's Monica Morgan.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So out of all the people in the world,
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[SPEAKER_03]: she was the only one who gave me an opportunity to do that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I think finding a mentor is going to be great to help you get that confidence to move forward, to do what you need to do.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And also start writing down the things that you want to do, because sometimes you're sending it out on paper, you know, can help you bring it to reality.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I think that is a great thing
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[SPEAKER_00]: love that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's perfect.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So Katrina, we appreciate you for putting up on Black Friday today.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We got a lot of great gaming and wisdom, and hopefully people can be able to take the gems that you provided us today to instill more confidence in their business, it down as women in terms of the work that you do, or the intentional work you do towards women empowerment.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and hopefully they pull up on you and get some some photos as well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And before I forget, because I've been forgetting lately and anybody called me out on it, tell everybody what I can reach you, your website, your social media, all that stuff.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Um, everything for the most part is at Katrina Cross Photography.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So Katrina Cross Photography on IG, on Facebook, on TikTok, LinkedIn, and YouTube.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Perfect.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, thank you once again.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Appreciate you for coming and everybody watching listening.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to tap in with y'all soon.
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[SPEAKER_03]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_03]: What up, though?