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[West Virginia] The Greenbrier Ghost · Bless This Mess: A Southern True Crime Podcast

• 0:08
  Speaker 1: Hey everyone, welcome to Bless This Mess and the True
• 0:23
  Speaker 1: Crime Podcast.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Carrie, here with Stu, so hey Stu.
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  Speaker 3: Hey.
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  Speaker 2: Alright, we are back. Grab your mason jar, pull up
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  Speaker 2: your rocking chair.
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  Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.
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  Speaker 2: It's October, Stu.
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  Speaker 3: It is.
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  Speaker 2: It's go time. It's all happening.
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  Speaker 3: It has been.
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  Speaker 2: It's all happening. I love Halloween. I love all the
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  Speaker 2: spooky things.
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  Speaker 3: Spooky D.
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  Speaker 2: I am spooky D, but I am on the... I'm
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  Speaker 2: on a different path for Halloween now.
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  Speaker 3: What path is that?
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  Speaker 2: Okay, so last year, I was one of these people
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  Speaker 2: that was like, we're going to decorate September 1st. We're
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  Speaker 2: doing it. And by October... I was sick of everything.
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  Speaker 2: So now I've changed my tune. So we decorated like
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  Speaker 2: at the beginning of October. I started putting the decorations
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  Speaker 2: outside the house. I did real simple decorations outside. I
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  Speaker 2: just did a bunch of cobwebs and I got a
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  Speaker 2: big spider family. That's our family. It's six spiders and
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  Speaker 2: things like that. And I'm also against trunk retreats. I'm
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  Speaker 2: not doing them. Our children are not doing trunk retreats.
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  Speaker 3: Lazy.
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  Speaker 2: I think they're ruining Halloween. There's so much pressure now to,
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  Speaker 2: if you have children, like they're making like boo baskets.
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  Speaker 2: You know what the boo basket is?
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  Speaker 3: I have no clue.
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  Speaker 2: No, I'm saying, okay, a boo basket is basically like,
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  Speaker 2: think like Easter Bunny, but for Halloween. A basket. Like
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  Speaker 2: a boo basket. They wake up, they get their boo
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  Speaker 2: basket or whatever. Not wake up on Halloween, but they
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  Speaker 2: get a boo basket. You know what the fucking boo
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  Speaker 2: basket is? The big basket of candy you get from
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  Speaker 2: going out and saying trick or treat.
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  Speaker 3: Big candy. I smell Mars Inc. behind this. No.
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  Speaker 2: But you go out, you trick or treat, and that's
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  Speaker 2: your boo basket. That big old bucket of candy you got.
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  Speaker 2: That's what you get. Like, it's turned into a whole thing. Like,
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  Speaker 2: people have multiple costumes and stuff now. It's just ridiculous.
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  Speaker 1: So.
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  Speaker 2: We're not doing anything like that. The big event is
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  Speaker 2: Halloween night. That is the big event. So that's all
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  Speaker 2: we're doing. We're going trick-or-treating. We'll go to a pumpkin patch,
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  Speaker 2: but we're not going to. We're also not going to
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  Speaker 2: these pumpkin patches where you have to pay to get in, okay?
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  Speaker 3: And do the trail run and get your cider.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, we're not doing any of that bullshit because guess what?
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  Speaker 2: They're overcrowded. They're overpriced. It's usually hot outside anyway, so
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  Speaker 2: you're out there in your flannel sweating. You're miserable.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, we were.
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  Speaker 2: You paid all that money. The pumpkins are overpriced. We did. So, yes,
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  Speaker 2: we've done all this. This is where I'm telling you.
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  Speaker 2: I've been to a trunk retreat. I've learned my lesson.
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  Speaker 2: So now, this year, we are going to, we haven't
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  Speaker 2: even gone to the pumpkin patch yet. Because, you know,
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  Speaker 2: we're going to get our pumpkins and we're carving them
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  Speaker 2: this week. Because every other time I get excited and
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, we're going to carve pumpkins. And then the pumpkins, like,
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  Speaker 2: rot outside by the time Halloween comes. They do. We
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  Speaker 2: have condensed Halloween to one week, basically. So we have
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  Speaker 2: been watching, like, on family movie night, we've been watching a, like,
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  Speaker 2: Halloween movie for the most part. We've watched Hocus Pocus, like,
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  Speaker 2: we watched it again tonight. It's always just playing in
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  Speaker 2: the background. It's just playing in the background at this point.
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  Speaker 2: So we have done the scary movies or whatever. We're
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  Speaker 2: going to be listening to Halloween music all in the
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  Speaker 2: car this week. That's what we're doing. Yes, we're condensing
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  Speaker 2: it all into one week.
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  Speaker 3: That sounds terrible.
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  Speaker 2: We, oh, I do have some decorations on the inside,
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  Speaker 2: in the house too. We did that. You know, I
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  Speaker 2: got my little mugs out. I got my towels. We also, um,
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  Speaker 2: so we're going to the pumpkin patch, but let me
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  Speaker 2: tell you the pumpkin patches you guys got to go
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  Speaker 2: find are the little church pumpkin patches. Most of the
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  Speaker 2: churches or some of the churches do not, I want to,
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  Speaker 2: I won't say most, a few of the churches do
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  Speaker 2: pumpkin patches and then they like take the extra money.
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  Speaker 2: And whether you believe in church or not, that's neither
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  Speaker 2: here nor there. But you don't have to pay to
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  Speaker 2: get into these pumpkin patches. It's all the pumpkins. You
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  Speaker 2: can still take your little photos and stuff. But it's
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  Speaker 2: not all this, like, crazy nonsense. It's like going to
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  Speaker 2: a regular old pumpkin patch.
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  Speaker 3: There's a petting zoo, though.
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  Speaker 2: No, there's not, Stu. You can go to a petting
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  Speaker 2: zoo on another holiday.
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  Speaker 3: You can go to the Robert is Here Fruit Stand
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  Speaker 3: and do a petting.
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  Speaker 2: You can.
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  Speaker 3: You can.
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  Speaker 2: Robert is Here Fruit Stand in, where was that?
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  Speaker 3: Florida City, Florida.
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  Speaker 2: Homestead.
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  Speaker 3: Homestead.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So anyway, so we're going to the pumpkin patch this week.
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  Speaker 2: Before we go to it, we're going to stop by
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  Speaker 2: and get us a fun little pumpkin coffee for me.
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  Speaker 2: We're going on my birthday, so you guys can't say anything.
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  Speaker 3: You're literally... I can.
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  Speaker 2: No, you can't.
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  Speaker 1: No.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, they can.
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  Speaker 2: What are they going to complain about going to a
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  Speaker 2: pumpkin patch on my birthday?
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  Speaker 3: I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: Anyway, so... Yeah, so that's what we're going to do.
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  Speaker 2: We're going to that kind of pumpkin patch. We're going
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  Speaker 2: to have a pumpkin carving party that night. I'm making chili.
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  Speaker 2: And then for... I have a couple of special things planned.
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  Speaker 2: But it's like.
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  Speaker 2: It's not stuff. I'm not giving them stuff. We're doing stuff.
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  Speaker 2: So I have a couple little easy foods planned for
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  Speaker 2: Halloween night. I used to go... I was telling Stu today.
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  Speaker 2: I used to go to.
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  Speaker 2: McDonald's was our big thing we used to go get
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  Speaker 2: the little buckets or whatever the Halloween buckets on or
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  Speaker 2: get a happy meal on Halloween night but now they've
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  Speaker 2: run that they get they bring the buckets or whatever
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  Speaker 2: and then everybody goes and buys them it has to
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  Speaker 2: buy for like four of them because they want to
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  Speaker 2: collect all of them or whatever and they all run
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  Speaker 2: out it's like not even fun anymore I don't know
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  Speaker 2: everything's everybody's ruined everything so we're gonna have a little
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  Speaker 2: a little meal at home that I've got planned that's
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  Speaker 2: easy and Halloween themed so that's what we're doing Anyways,
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  Speaker 2: I know I was supposed to get straight into it.
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  Speaker 3: You were supposed to.
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  Speaker 2: I just am so upset.
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  Speaker 3: What happened?
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  Speaker 2: I'm upset they've ruined, everybody's ruined everything. Social media, everybody's
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  Speaker 2: ruined all the holidays, everything. It's like it's too much.
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  Speaker 2: It's too much. Nothing's special anymore because every single day
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  Speaker 2: is supposed to be special. It's like, Jesus, just like
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  Speaker 2: calm down. Okay? Calm down.
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  Speaker 3: All right.
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  Speaker 2: The reason I was talking about that is because it's
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  Speaker 2: late October. Back to the.
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  Speaker 3: Lord, that was a rabbit hole.
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  Speaker 2: So tonight, we're in Greenbrier County, West Virginia, Stu.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, we are.
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  Speaker 2: In the winter of 1897. That was a long time ago.
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  Speaker 1: I know.
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  Speaker 2: For a murder that the county ended up telling as
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  Speaker 2: a ghost story. So this is a ghost story slash...
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  Speaker 2: It's a true crime, but a ghost story kind of like.
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  Speaker 3: Comes about because of it?
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: A young wife was found dead on the floor of
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  Speaker 2: a log house. They dressed her, buried her, and called
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  Speaker 2: it a natural death. Then her mama got on a
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  Speaker 2: witness stand and said the dead woman came back four
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  Speaker 2: nights in a row, wide awake, no coughing, and told
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  Speaker 2: her how it happened. Her name was Elvazonah Easter Shoe.
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  Speaker 3: That's a name right there. It does flow, though.
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  Speaker 2: You know what's fun is this was happening so long ago,
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  Speaker 2: we can just, ain't nobody alive. Too soon.
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  Speaker 3: Too soon, Kara.
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  Speaker 2: Watch the one person that's related to Elva Zona, he's
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  Speaker 2: their shoe. Find out and be like, one star. You
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  Speaker 2: know these people were people? It's like, yeah, this is
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  Speaker 2: a very long time ago. So most folks called her Zona, though,
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  Speaker 2: so don't worry. You know who's... has a dog named Zona,
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  Speaker 2: is Mary from Sister Wives.
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: So the blacksmith she had married a few months earlier
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  Speaker 2: was Erasmus Stripling Trout Shoe.
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  Speaker 3: Wait. Wait. Is this like a Halloween trick?
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  Speaker 1: No.
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  Speaker 2: This is just a treat. These are old-timey names. Trout
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  Speaker 2: or Edward, depending on the day. The newspapers mostly called
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  Speaker 2: him E.S. Shue, and then they would later have to
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  Speaker 2: call him prisoner. But before we get into it, Stu.
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 8:35
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• 8:38
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• 8:42
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• 8:44
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• 8:46
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• 8:51
  Speaker 2: Sippin' and Bullshittin', which is we will be talking about
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  Speaker 2: our trip to Louisiana on that.
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  Speaker 3: Kara had an epiphany.
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  Speaker 2: An epiphany?
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  Speaker 3: Yes, about how you subconsciously live your life.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, yes. I've realized that my, yes, we'll talk about it.
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  Speaker 2: And also how Stu shot me in the eye with
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  Speaker 2: a dart gun.
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  Speaker 3: With a what?
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  Speaker 2: With a dart gun.
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  Speaker 3: Shot you in the eye?
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  Speaker 2: Yes. And now I'm permanently damaged.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 9:25
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• 9:27
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• 9:30
  Speaker 2: So we are recording this. It is late right now.
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  Speaker 2: We are recording this because we just got back from
• 9:35
  Speaker 2: Louisiana today. And my brother is coming to visit tomorrow.
• 9:40
  Speaker 2: So we can't record because obviously, like we've told you all,
• 9:44
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• 9:45
  Speaker 3: Make this podcast.
• 9:46
  Speaker 2: So we're just still trying to keep it on the DL,
• 9:49
  Speaker 2: you know?
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  Speaker 3: Ten years.
• 9:50
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• 9:55
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• 9:59
  Speaker 2: uh anyway so we're gonna try to get the episode
• 10:02
  Speaker 2: out on friday the sit and sipping and bullshit but
• 10:04
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• 10:08
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• 10:09
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• 10:13
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• 10:15
  Speaker 2: guys now but we're gonna try real hard for friday
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• 10:22
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• 10:24
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• 10:27
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• 10:38
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• 10:47
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• 10:52
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: ahead and get into it. Alright, so picture it. It's
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  Speaker 2: January 22nd or 23rd, depending on which newspaper you were
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  Speaker 2: basing this day on. This was 1897, okay? So we're
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  Speaker 2: going to go with the 22nd of January 22nd, 1897. Now,
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  Speaker 2: Around 10 o'clock, Trout, which remember he's the guy with
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  Speaker 2: the weird name, the Erasmus Stripling Trout.
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  Speaker 3: Edward.
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  Speaker 1: E.S.
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  Speaker 2: Shoe, Edward Shoe Trout. We're calling him Trout. So Trout,
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  Speaker 2: he was, oh my God, I lost my spot. Trout,
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  Speaker 2: he had been by his blacksmith shop. He stopped at
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  Speaker 2: a neighbor woman's house and asked her son to do
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  Speaker 2: two errands. The first one was hunt the eggs. And
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  Speaker 2: then the second one was to go see Mrs. Shoe,
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  Speaker 2: and see if she wanted anything sent for from the store.
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  Speaker 3: Like a Walmart delivery.
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  Speaker 2: Like an olden days.
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  Speaker 3: Amazon delivery.
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  Speaker 2: It says drone delivery, 1897. It's the neighbor boy running
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  Speaker 2: to check.
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  Speaker 3: Now, even though the boy's name never shows up in
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  Speaker 3: the paper, the rumor has it that it's a kid
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  Speaker 3: by the name of Anderson. Anderson Jones. He looks for
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  Speaker 3: the eggs. He doesn't find any. He goes into the house.
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  Speaker 3: Goes to the house, knocks, but nobody answers. He opens
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  Speaker 3: the door, and Zona is on the floor. She's stretched out, straight,
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  Speaker 3: feet together, one hand by her side, and the other
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  Speaker 3: lying across her body. Her head is tipped a little
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  Speaker 3: bit to one side, and he runs and tells his
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  Speaker 3: mother that she's dead.
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  Speaker 2: That reminds me.
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  Speaker 3: What?
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  Speaker 2: Our five-year-old was sitting with your mom, looking up. So
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  Speaker 2: she was going through, your mom loves to like go
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  Speaker 2: through the pictures on her iPad and talk about every
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  Speaker 2: single one of them. She had a lot, I was
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  Speaker 2: looking at her over there. She had a lot of
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  Speaker 2: screenshots she needs to tweet. Anyways, she's sitting there with
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  Speaker 2: our five-year-old and we do talk about, I would say
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  Speaker 2: we talk about like we'll say death or someone died
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  Speaker 2: and we don't really sugarcoat it too much. They don't
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  Speaker 2: fully understand what dead is. They kind of do, I think,
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  Speaker 2: but the five-year-old does. cause she knows like when we,
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  Speaker 2: we like a fly is dead or a bug is dead,
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  Speaker 2: grandma's dead, you know, things like that. So anyway, so
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  Speaker 2: she's sitting there, um, showing it and she said, that's,
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  Speaker 2: she had a cat that she loved or whatever. And
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  Speaker 2: she said, yeah, that was my cat. And, um, and
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  Speaker 2: did she say he, she didn't say he died. She
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  Speaker 2: just said, she said something. And, uh, And our five-year-old
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  Speaker 2: was like, oh, that's your cat. He's dead. But it
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  Speaker 2: didn't stop there. She goes to it. And there was
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  Speaker 2: another picture of the cat. And she goes again. She goes, oh, yep,
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  Speaker 2: that's your cat. That's dead. And your mom was like, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I really.
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  Speaker 3: Love that cat. That's the one. No longer with us.
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  Speaker 3: Gone on to its great reward.
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  Speaker 2: Anyways, that's what it made me think of. It's just coming.
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  Speaker 2: She'd just be coming and going, mom. The neighbor's dead.
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  Speaker 2: Laid on the floor, dead.
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  Speaker 3: Dead. So, yes. Anderson Jones runs, tells his mother she's dead.
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  Speaker 3: Then he goes off to the blacksmith shop and he
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  Speaker 3: tells Trout, Trout, your wife's dead. Trout and the boy's
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  Speaker 3: mother both take off for the house and they get
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  Speaker 3: there at about the same time.
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  Speaker 2: Now, the local doctor, Dr. George Knapp, is not in
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  Speaker 2: that first rush of people heading over there. In fact,
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  Speaker 2: he doesn't get cold until after the body has already
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  Speaker 2: been laid out and dressed. Now, by the time Dr.
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  Speaker 2: Knapp walks through the door an hour or two later,
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  Speaker 2: Zona is cold. He tries the usual things to revive her,
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  Speaker 2: but nothing works. She's dressed in a high, stiff collar. Now,
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  Speaker 2: when Knapp starts examining her, he notices faint bruising on
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  Speaker 2: the right side of her neck and cheek. He unfastens
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  Speaker 2: that collar.
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  Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.
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  Speaker 2: To look at her throat, you know, he's like, let's
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  Speaker 2: see what's going on down here, you know. And right
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  Speaker 2: as he's about to turn her over to inspect the
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  Speaker 2: back of her neck, Trout completely loses it. He's like, stop.
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  Speaker 2: Trout begs him to stop, sobbing and hovering, and ask
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  Speaker 2: him not to examine her any further. Like, I just
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  Speaker 2: can't handle this, please. Then Trout takes over. He finishes
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  Speaker 2: dressing her, pulls up that collar, that high collar back again,
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  Speaker 2: folds a heavy veil several times around her head and neck,
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  Speaker 2: and then he ties a big, elaborate bow under her chin.
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  Speaker 3: Like a big old Christmas present.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, yes.
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  Speaker 3: Lovely. Now, the folks who came by to pay their
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  Speaker 3: respects to Zona noticed right away that Zona's head was
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  Speaker 3: completely loose, Kara. If nobody was holding it, it just
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  Speaker 3: rolled around from side to side. It's like, Even with
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  Speaker 3: rigor mortis setting in.
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  Speaker 2: This is so ridiculous that this guy just kind of
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  Speaker 2: like basically duct tape her head together with a veil.
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  Speaker 2: And she's just flopping around. And everybody's like, oh.
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  Speaker 3: It's like on Dumb and Dumber. Natural causes.
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: Yes, that's what it reminds me of.
• 16:37
  Speaker 3: Decapitated bird.
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: Thank God that this is so long ago because I
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: just thought this was, this is some 1897 shit that
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: they would just like try to tape the head back
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: on basically. And he'd just be like, it's fine.
• 16:51
  Speaker 3: Nothing to see here.
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: Nothing to see here.
• 16:54
  Speaker 3: So picture this. They're leaving the house. She's in a
• 16:56
  Speaker 3: high collar, a veil, and a big bow. This is
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: a y'all need Jesus.
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: If this was today, this would be a y'all need Jesus.
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: Yes, it is. I mean, the y'all need Jesus I
• 17:04
  Speaker 3: picked out will follow, flow greatly with this story here.
• 17:09
  Speaker 3: So they're leaving the house, big bow, all holding up
• 17:12
  Speaker 3: a head that won't stay put. They take her out
• 17:15
  Speaker 3: to Little Sewell, and they bury her the very next day.
• 17:18
  Speaker 3: The official word is natural causes heart disease. And for
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: a few weeks, that's the story the whole county is
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: living with.
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: Now, Zona was only in her early 20s. She had
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: just married Trout in October of 1896, and her mother,
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: Mary Jane Heaster, had hated the match from day one.
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: Mary had never even set foot in that house. I mean,
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: because they'd only been married a couple months at this point.
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: But she hated him, so, you know, she ain't gonna
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: go over there. Trout wasn't new to trouble either. He'd
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: already done time in the state penitentiary, and he'd had
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: two wives before Zona. One divorced him for being cruel. Really?
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: And the other died under strange circumstances less than a
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: year after their wedding. So Mary did not trust him
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: for a second, and she certainly wasn't about to accept
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: heart trouble from a man who had covered her daughter's
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: neck and chased the doctor out of the room and
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: had all these people in town be like, yeah, her
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: neck was just flopping around.
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: Flopping around. Now Trout was not acting like a grieving
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: widower either. He was strolling around town in high spirits, whistling, laughing,
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: and carrying on like he hadn't just put his young
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: bride in the ground. When folks around the county started
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: whispering and rumors got back to him that the law
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: might look into it, Trout didn't even get nervous. He
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: went around bragging to neighbors that he knew he'd probably
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: get arrested, but he said that the law couldn't touch
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: him because nobody saw him do a thing. He had
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: weeks to skip town, but he was so cocky that
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: he just hung around the blacksmith shop, daring anybody to
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: prove it.
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: Listen, okay, I know that you probably think that seems
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: like a lot for someone to say, but this man
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: just had her, the person he murdered, he wrapped her
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: neck with a veil with a big bow, and everybody
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: just accepted it, including the doctors.
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: Allegedly murdered carol i don't want to get sued.
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: I would have i would have some confidence myself be
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: like these fuckers are.
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: So stupid did they see what happened.
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: They literally it's like you can see what happened they
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: still don't said it got heart disease i mean yeah
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: i would be a little a cocky myself now zona
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: didn't just um oh where am i at oh now
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: mary jane heister heister was not about to let this go.
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: She was convinced in her bones that Trout had killed
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: her daughter, but she didn't have a shred of proof.
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: So every single night after the funeral... Mary got down
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: on her knees and started praying and she wasn't just
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: praying for peace she was praying for Zona to come
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: back from the dead and she wanted her to stand
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: there and tell her what happened she's like I know
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: something happened let's get the Ouija board out let's try
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: to work this out give me some answers.
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: Zona Now according to Mary, that is exactly what happened.
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: About four weeks after the funeral, Mary is lying in
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: bed and she says the whole room lights up with
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: this strange cold glow. Not a lantern, not a candle,
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: and standing right at the foot of her bed is Zona.
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: Mary said she wasn't in a coffin or floating in
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: a cloud. She was standing there in the exact same
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: dress that she had died in, looking as real as
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: you and me.
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: Now, Zona didn't just visit once either. She came back
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: four nights in a row. It's like the ghost of
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: Christmas past, present, and future. And the story she told
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: her mama was wild from start to finish. According to
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: the ghost, the whole fight started over dinner. Trout had
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: come home from the blacksmith shop in a foul mood,
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: saw there was no meat cooked for supper, and flew
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: into a complete rage. Zona tried telling him that they
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: had plenty of food. She had biscuits, apples, butter, apple butter,
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: and about four different kinds of jelly on the table.
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: But Trout wanted meat. It's like when I tell Stu
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: it's meatless Monday.
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: And I just go to my mistress's house.
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: It's meatless Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday for me personally.
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: Anyway, so whenever he didn't get his meat, He snapped.
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: He choked her and snapped her neck with his bare hands.
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: And just to drive the point home, Mary said that
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: on the second night, Zona told her, my neck was
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: squeezed off at the first joint. Then right before she
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: vanished into thin air, the spirit turned her head completely
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: backwards so her mom could see the break. Now, whether
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: you believe in ghost or not, or if you think
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: Mary's grief gave her the most specific nightmare in West
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: Virginia history, Mary took every single word of it as
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: gospel truth whenever she was retelling the story.
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: She marched straight into town and walked into the office
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: of the prosecuting attorney, John Alfred Preston. Now imagine being
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: John Preston. You're sitting at your desk, trying to do
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: your job.
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: Maybe eating a sandwich. Got an intern under the desk.
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: And this furious mountain woman walks in and tells you
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: that her daughter's ghost has been visiting her bedroom for
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: four nights to report a murder over dinner. Most prosecutors
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: would have gently walked her out the front door. But Preston,
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: he listened to her and started digging into what actually
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: happened the morning Zona died. He's like, man, they kept
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: saying her head was flopping around. I guess I'm going
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: to have to.
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: I believe in ghosts, though.
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: I didn't really, well no, he's probably like, I didn't
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: really want to look into this, but this lady seems
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: crazy and she might cause some problems, so.
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: Yes, so I need to look into it so I
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: can tell her I did. The more questions Preston asked,
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: the worse it looked. He went straight to Dr. Knapp
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: and asked him point blank about that first exam. Dr.
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: Knapp had to admit the truth. He never actually checked
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: her neck because Trout was acting so crazy, sobbing and
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: hovering and blocking the bed, and that Knapp just wrote
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: down heart trouble to get out of the house. I'm
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: just going to come up with something.
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: It's like, wow, this seems like some shit I would do. Like, wow,
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: this is really awkward.
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: What do you want me to write on this paper?
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: I'll write whatever you want to make it, make the
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: crying stop. Yeah, I'm like, remember I told you about
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: that time that we were at the, we were doing the, like,
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: fun fact. Or maybe not a fun fact, an interesting fact. Yeah,
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: they always make you do that shit about the interesting facts.
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: Yes, thank God I never had to do that.
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: And there was that one back a couple years ago,
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: and I went and I told them about the armed
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: robbery or whatever, because that's my go-to, or Kelly Clarkson,
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: depending on the crowd. Anyway, so I told that one,
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: and the guy next to me was talking about his mom,
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: who they grew up poor and something, and then he
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: starts crying. And I'm the person, and I knew this person,
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: like I knew him, you know? Like we work together,
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: we joke around and everything like that. We, you know,
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: I'm sitting there. He starts crying.
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: Did you pat him on the leg and go there, there?
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: I didn't know what to do.
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: Everyone's just looking at me because we were down at
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: the end too. So there was nobody else on the
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: other side of him.
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: Oh, God.
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: I am the only option at this point.
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: The only lifeline for him. Did you pat him on
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: the shoulder? Yes, sir.
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: So, finally, I was like.
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: So, yes, I'm Dr. Knapp.
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: I'm writing heart disease. The fuck out of there.
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: I can't even imagine you trying to comfort anybody.
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: I know. I'm so... I'm real good with the children.
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: That's about it.
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: That's it, though. That's where I tap out. I'm like,
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: heart disease, sure. I can tell you decapitated her, but
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: it's fine. We'll just write it down to make this moment.
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: In my mind.
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: I still remember that like, oh, they're there. Anyways.
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: That's what it reminded me of.
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: Yes, I know. You have no sympathy for anybody.
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: I do have sympathy. I'm just uncomfortable in those moments, okay?
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: I tell you, I don't feel well. You're like, well.
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: Suck it up, buttercup.
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: Just trying to get out of something, ain't you?
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: Well, you usually are.
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: That is not even true. Anyway. Now that was all
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: that Preston needed was that story from Dr. Knapp saying,
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: you know, I just wrote down some shit to get
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: out of there. So he didn't take the ghost story
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: to the judge. He took Dr. Knapp's botched exam and
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: he got an order to dig Zona up.
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: On February 22nd, about a month after she was buried,
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: a crew went out to Little Swell and exhumed Zona's grave.
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: They carried her body into a local one-room schoolhouse and
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: three local doctors.
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: Can you imagine?
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: You're like a kid. And you didn't get the... They
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: didn't get the word of mouth that school was closed
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: for the tickets.
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: Because they were doing an autopsy.
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: In the school house.
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: You open the door and you're traumatized for life. It
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: reminds me of that Modern Family thing where Phil was like, Yeah,
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: I don't know why I'm afraid of clowns. And he
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: was talking about something.
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: He's like.
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: A clown in the woods murdering someone.
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: Her mom said something about it.
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: He's like, but I don't know why I'm afraid of clowns. Anyways. So, yeah.
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: In the schoolhouse, we're just doing this. Three local doctors,
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: including Nap, spent three hours performing a full autopsy right
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: there on the desk. And Trout was forced to stand
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: right in the room and watch them do it.
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: And.
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: What they found was chilling. Zona was a completely healthy
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: young woman, but her windpipe had been crushed flat, and
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: her neck was broken clean between the first and second vertebra,
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: the exact spot that Mary said the ghost told her about.
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: There were even finger marks bruised into the skin of
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: her throat. She hadn't died of any heart trouble. Somebody
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: had strangled her until her neck had snapped. The doctors
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: ruled it a homicide on the spot, and the deputies
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: hauled Trout straight off to the Lewisburg jail.
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: Now, while Trout was sitting in the jail waiting for
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: his trial, he couldn't keep his mouth shut. He bragged
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: to his cellmates that the state had nothing on him,
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: and he even joked around that he planned to marry
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: seven women before he died. When the trial finally started
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: in Lewisburg that June, the courtroom was packed to the gills.
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: The prosecution put on a solid, sensible case... They called
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: the neighbor boy, they called the doctors, and they pointed
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: out that Trout had covered her neck with a scarf,
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: tied a veil around her face, and wouldn't let anybody
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: touch her head.
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: Yes. When Mary Jane Heaster took the stand for the state,
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: Prosecutor Preston was smart enough not to mention the ghost
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: at all. He just looked at her, I mean, he
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: just asked her about Trout and her daughter. But Trout's
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: defense attorneys thought they had an easy target. On cross-examination,
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: they brought up the ghost visits themselves, thinking they were
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: going to make Mary look completely unhinged in front of
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: the jury. They asked her if she had just dreamed
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: the whole thing up because she was sad.
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: And Mary looked at that lawyer dead in the eye
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: and said, It was no dream. I was as wide
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: awake as I ever was. For hours, the defense badgered her,
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: asking her if she was superstitious, asking her if she
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: believed in the Bible, trying every trick in the book
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: to get her to back down. And Mary never flinched.
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: She told the whole courtroom under oath about the four visits,
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: the light in the room, the supper meat, the broken neck,
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: and how her daughter's head turned all the way around.
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: And instead of making her look crazy, the jury saw
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: a grieving mother who was dead certain of what she
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: had seen. She made believers out of all of them
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: that day. Good thing, you know, I'm reading that book
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: about the Salem witch trials. You don't want to be
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: doing this, uh, you know, 200 years before you were
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: going to get burned at the stake.
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: Talking to the dead like that, yes. Then Trout took
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: the stand in his own defense, and it was a
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: complete disaster. He rambled on for hours, making wild excuses,
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: complaining that everybody in town was about to get him,
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: and begging the jury to just look at his face
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: and see an innocent man. But nobody bought it. The
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: jury went back to deliberate, and in just one hour
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: and ten minutes, they came back with a guilty verdict
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: for first-degree murder. They spared him the noose, but they
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: gave him life in prison at the state penitentiary in Moundsville.
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: Even with the life sentence, the folks in Greenbrier County
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: were so furious that an armed lynch mob gathered at
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: nearby a campground on Sunday night with a brand new rope,
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: ready to storm the jail and string Trout up themselves.
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: The sheriff only managed to stop them because he caught
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: wind of it and rode out to meet them on
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: the road. talking the leaders down before they reached the town.
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: We need, this is, what do they call it?
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: Vigilante justice?
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: No, what do they call it? Not country justice, something
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: out there. Anyways, meanwhile, the deputies had already smuggled Trout
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: out the back door and hid him in the woods
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: until they could safely ship him off to prison.
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: Trout didn't last long behind bars. Less than three years later,
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: in March of 1900... an epidemic swept through the Moundsville Penitentiary,
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: and Trout died in his cell. Nobody from his family
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: ever came to claim his body, and he was buried
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: in an unmarked prison grave.
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: Yes, they believe it was something we call the flu
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: in 1990.
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: Oh.
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: Yes, yes. Zona, on the other hand, is buried peacefully
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: at Soul Chapel Methodist Cemetery right there in Greenbrier County,
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: and if you drive down Route 60 today.
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: If you're local.
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: You'll find a state historical marker that calls this the
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: only known case where a ghost helped convict a murderer.
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: Whether you believe Mary really saw her daughter or she
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: just had a mother's intuition so strong that she moved
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: heaven and earth to get justice, it definitely made history.
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: All right. I think after reading a story about no
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: meat at dinner and some heads spinning around. I think
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: we've earned ourselves the weekly pour on the porch stew.
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: So since we're up in West Virginia, which is apple country,
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: if you didn't know.
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: I did not know.
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: Tonight we are keeping it simple and cozy with the
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: warm spiced apple cider in our mason jars. So what
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: you're going to do is you're going to take a
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: cup of apple cider. You can warm it gently in
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: a small pot, but don't let it boil. Just get
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: it nice and toasty stew.
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: Warm it up a little bit.
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: Stir in a teaspoon of maple syrup. Drop in a
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: cinnamon stick, and if you've had a week, put yourself
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: some bourbon on in there. And leave that cinnamon stick
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: in there, and then you can just drink it. Nice,
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: warm apple cider.
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: A nice little toddy.
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: A nice little toddy to get you through.
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: That's what I need to deal with you.
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: Stuart, stop rhyming stuff, okay?
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: You don't have to be so gruff.
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: You're... Oh, my God.
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: I hate you.
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: You're an idiot, as I can see.
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: I gotta.
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: Pee.
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: No.
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: Now I can't think. I'm great at rhyming. My entire
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: children's book is rhymes, okay?
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: Very exquisite rhyming.
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: Don't you have a question for me? No. No.
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: It's midnight now and I need to go to bed.
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: So you can give me some.
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: Jesus.
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: Okay. Do you ever y'all need Jesus? You need Jesus.
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: Stop it. Just read your story.
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: Yes. Tourists found guilty after stealing Flamingo from enclosure.
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: Florida. Were you not going to ask me?
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: Oh. Well, I thought that... Well, Florida or not Florida, Karen.
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: Florida!
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: I don't know. It just... It seems like it's implied
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: at this point because we do it so many times.
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: Okay, well.
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: There might be somebody new to this.
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: That's also how you asked me to marry you.
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: It was implied.
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: It was implied. Coming to us from the BBC....
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: The BBC.
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: The BBC, they picked up the story. Tourist found guilty
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: after stealing Las Vegas flamingo from enclosure. A Canadian man,
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: oh Canada, oh geez, has been found guilty of animal
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: cruelty after he took a flamingo from its enclosure in
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: Las Vegas and brought it back to his hotel room
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: during an alcohol-fueled bender.
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: You think?
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: You think? Michael Fairbarn, who was visiting the U.S. city,
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: took the Chilean flamingo named Peachy, not Peachy, from the
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: Flamingo Las Vegas Hotel and Casino in March. Videos shown
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: at his trial show a smiling Fairbarn carrying the bird
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: by the back of the neck as he took an
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: elevator to his room. He testified that he had drank
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: between 30 and 40 beers.
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: Good Lord!
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: Well, he's Canadian, eh?
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: It's true.
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: Before the incident... Oh, wait. Stupid ads. Animal experts testified
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: the flamingo had feathers torn out and suffered blood loss due.
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: To Fairbairn's actions.
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: What?
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: Is he okay?
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: A lawyer for Fairbairn said the actions were intended as
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: a harmless prank and blamed alcohol for his bad decisions. Well,
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: there's a lawyer that... No shit, Sherlock.
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: He should not have done that, should not have gone
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: into the habitat, and shouldn't have touched a bird. Shouldn't
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: have taken Peachy inside, said his lawyer. The truth is,
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: Mitch was drunk, Mitch was stupid. He made bad decisions.
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: That's your lawyer.
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: And the sky is blue. He's a Las Vegas lawyer.
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: He probably deals with this shit. He's like, I don't
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: know what else to tell you guys.
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: He was drunk.
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: It's Vegas. I don't know what to say.
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: All my clients were drunk when they did dumb shit.
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: His lawyer added that he had received death threats since
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: his arrest. Testifying in his defense.
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: As he should.
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: Fairbarn, 34, said he thought it would be funny to
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: take the bird. He said that he had been up
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: all night drinking and had just gotten off a call
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: with a colleague when he made the decision to abscond
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: with the bird. The Flamingo Las Vegas located on the
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: famous Las Vegas Strip. Very nice hotel. features a wildlife
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: habitat inside its hotel and casino that is free to
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: walk through. It features a flock of Chilean flamingos, other birds, fish,
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: and turtles. During the trial, the jury heard from 14
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: witnesses and reviewed more than 112 pieces of evidence. It
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: took a jury around five hours somehow to convict him
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: on felony and misdemeanor animal abuse charges. He has been
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: unable to leave the U.S. since his arrest. He remains
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: on house arrest in Las Vegas with a sentencing hearing
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: due to take place in December.
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: Oh, God, that's got to be costing a fortune to
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: pay to stay and pay for your house for house arrest.
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: As he deserves. He deserves this.
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: A veterinarian for the state said that Peachy has largely
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: recovered since the event but now has a more anxious
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: demeanor around humans.
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: Oh!
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: Once trust is lost, it's lost forever.
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: Oh, Peachy. Oh, Peachy.
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: Trust is gained in drops, but lost in buckets.
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: Okay. Thank you for that. Wisdom.
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: It's true, though. It's going to take a long time
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: for Peachy to overcome.
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: If she ever does.
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: If she ever does. I don't know what a flamingo's
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: lifespan is. A captive flamingo. If Peachy will have time
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: to call the pet detective and talk to him and
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: see if he can overcome this.
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: Jim Carrey?
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: He always talked to the pets. Remember the raccoon was
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: going to kill himself? He's hanging off and he's like,
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: don't drop. And he let go.
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: I just remember he had to come out of that
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: rhinoceros or whatever it was. He was in its... Was
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: it in its butter or in its other hole?
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: I don't remember.
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: Where it came out.
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: They probably wouldn't even let you make that movie today
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: because they say, because it's all about, like, she's a man.
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: You know? And then he turns around and you can
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: see it tucked. You know what I'm talking about?
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: The what?
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: Dan Marino. And then it's the lady.
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: Oh, yes.
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: What's her name?
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: Um.
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: What's her name? Oh, my God.
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: I can't remember the actress.
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: Anyway, she's pretending to be, she's actually a man. And
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: then he has her turn around in her skirt.
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, with the ticker.
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: The laces were out.
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: Laces out, Dan.
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: He does her turn around and there's a bulge.
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: Laces out, Dan.
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: There's a lot of things I feel like would be canceled.
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: Today. Yes. A lot of movies you cannot make these days. No.
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: Anyways.
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: Just about every Mel Brooks film ever. Actually, he just
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: came out with another one. Spaceballs 2 is coming out,
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: I think.
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: It's driving me crazy. What is it? It's like. Finkster
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: is something. Something.
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: What?
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: Sphincter is.
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: A sphincter says what? No.
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: Can't you talk about something real quick?
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: Wayne's World? No. Because that's all I can think about.
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. So Snowflake is the dolphin that was stolen.
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: That's a great movie. We should watch that. I haven't
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: seen that in so long. Anyways, the, um, let's see the,
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: oh yeah, Courtney Cox was in it. And then, yeah,
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: the laces were out and she has the cookies and
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: she's like, we always make the cookies. Laces out. Uh, uh,
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: Einhorn is Finkel. Finkel is Einhorn. Einhorn is Finkel. Cause
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: he was saying like the Finkel was the one that, uh,
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: had the, um, that supposedly the kicker who missed or whatever.
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: And so Einhorn was Finkel. Finkel is Einhorn.
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: What was the actress's name that played him? Because that was....
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: It was... Sean Young.
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: Oh, it was an actual man?
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: No.
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: That was a man?
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: No.
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: Sean Young?
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: Well, her.
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: Played Lois Einhorn?
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: Sean Young's a woman?
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: Oh, okay. Well, this is making things even more confusing.
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: Because I was like, man, I'm really thrown off. Anyways,
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: all right. Well, that's a blast from the past. Everybody's
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: homework for this weekend is to go watch Ace Ventura,
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: Pet Detective.
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: Parts one and maybe two.
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: Maybe two. Two's pretty good.
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: Two's the one where he comes out of the rhinoceros's vagina.
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: I do remember that scene, yes.
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: Or the depot or the run out.
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: If you really want to laugh, you'll watch the Ace Ventura.
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: Then go watch any of the Chris Farley movies from
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: that time. Stuart, I swear, my brother's coming in. He's
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: a big Chris Farley fan.
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: R.I.P.
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: All right. Well, that's it for us. Do you have
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: anything else you'd like to add, Stuart?
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: I think we've rambled on long enough.
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: I think we have.
• 42:04
  Speaker 3: It's 2 a.m.
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: It's not 2 a.m., but we had to get it done.
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: It feels like it.
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: We had to get it done.
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: Yes, we did.
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: All right. Yeah, I got to get to bed. I
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: have to volunteer at a food bank in the morning, so.
• 42:15
  Speaker 3: We have to go to bed so you can give me.
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: Stuart!
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: What?
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: Stop. That definitely... Not. Not. You're delusional.
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: It's late. You're tired. And.
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: Based on.
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: Never mind. Alright, I gotta go. I can't think. I'm
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: really good at rhyming too and I'm disappointed in myself
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: right now that I haven't been able to think of
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: any good ones and you've thought of them for God's sake.
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: I wrote an entire children's book with rhyming. Intricate rhymes, okay?
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: Daisy loved pine cones. It was easy to see. First
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: she would have one, then two, then three. She'd put
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: them in her mouth, something and smile. And when she
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: got home, she put them in a pile.
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: All right. We got to stop.
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: All right.
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: I think that's it. Now I don't know how to
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: end this. I'm just like, I need you to end
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: it for me.
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: You want me to end it all?
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: All right. Well, we will.
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: If you're here this long and you're new here.
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: This is your fault.
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: No.
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: This is.
• 43:28
  Speaker 3: This is your fault.
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: It's late. This is what happens when we record super late.
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: All right. Until next time, stay safe, lock your doors,
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: and keep that porch light on. Bye, everyone. Say bye, Stu.
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: Bye, Stu.
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: I'm sick of all this worrying about things I can't control.
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: These things I can't control.